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  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Of course.

    Not.

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

    • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

      Thank you.

      CW

    • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

      Thank you.

      CW

      • drsandykramer

        Perry would have remembered “energy” if he had a teleprompter. You betcha!

      • drsandykramer

        Perry would have remembered “energy” if he had a teleprompter. You betcha!

        • don12345

          Cain is making the right look really bad. He needs to apologize to those women and drop out of the race.

          • gunslingr45

            you know he’s guilty how? These women are nothing more than demo rat operators and Rush reported yesterday that one is even pals with David Axelrod.
            What’s funny is your hero thinks there are 57 states. LOL

            “For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a taste the protected will never know” IN GOD WE TRUST

          • vaaztx

            In the context of a Democratic Primary there are 57 “states” that send delegates to the DNC, the 50 actual states, plus DC, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Guam, the Mariana Islands, and Democrats Abroad.

            That said, I hope that with Herman Cain as our nominee that we earn a “51 state sweep”, that is the 50 states plus DC that can send delegates to the electoral college.

          • Spartan4Life

            Bet the story goes away in 72 hours if everytime someone brought up murky accusations of harassment from even murkier accusers against Cain we compared it to the case of Clinton where you had real evidence of harassment(isn’t it harassment when the leader of the free world uses a 21 year old intern to service him?) in the case of Clinton.

            Always felt like we should have played up the harassment angle of Clinton/Lewinsky much stronger.

            Anybody think the demos will be anxious to drag their elder statesman bag through the muck and mire?

          • scottb

            Apologize. Prove he has done anything to apologize for.

      • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

        Thank you.

        CW

    • bs61

      Off topic – very sorry to see Pearce lose the recall to another Republican that had moveon support!

  • paulplantowin

    some great ads almost write themselves. Once we pick a nominee Obama will finally get vetted. :-)

    • edintexas

      Don’t hold your breath.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Assuming Rick Perry wins the nomination, and assuming he challenges the skinny little freak to real debates where they will ask each other questions of their own choosing, with a moderator who only keeps time and enforces the rules, Perry will clean the skinny little freak’s clock.

    Thank you.

    CW

    • gekster

      But I don’t think there would be enough space or bandwidth for them all.

    • 6eorge Jetson

      That’s worked out well, too

  • http://www.tobytoons.com TobyToons

    and Mark was playing a montage of all the Obama Gaffes and I was wondering how I could get a copy of that and post it on my site for people to listen to over and over and over. Especially all those “Obama is such a great speaker” kind of people. I might have to link to some of the videos you posted.

  • nativetexan41

    He is more qualified than most on the stage with him with having served 11 years as Gov. of the second largest state. He has my vote. So what he forgot that third agency. It’s not that big of a deal.

    • http://www.tobytoons.com TobyToons

      … how eager the media is to try to write Perry out of the contest so quickly – you know, like they did with Obama and Biden (a.k.a. the Gaffe Factory).

      There is no Liberal bias in the media.

    • bs61

      but I did see Rick Perry talk about the border tonight – promised to secure it in his first year – and apologized again for what he said his wife told him was arrogant response about the tuition.

      Hopefully that will get out there more.

      • mich22

        I thought he came across as humble and strong – seldom do you see those two qualities together. What’s this about not liking Greta? She’s great, I think!!

        • pttx333

          if you thought he came across as humble and strong, good for you. There is a reason for your conclusion – Perry comes across that way because that is who and what Rick Perry IS – those two attributes, along with numerous other very commendable ones.

          Greta can be great, but she can also not not-so-much. My take on Greta is that she is a lib who is sometimes fair – other times, she is very naive and sounds like a San Fran blinking loon. But, that is just me. Glad she was good with my guy, though.

        • bs61

          And nothing against Greta – just like some other folks better. I’ve tuned in a lot during her border and Mexico violence/killings and that has been great and not covered a lot anywhere else!

  • usedtobelib

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/york-why-perry-bombed

    When things don’t come automatically, sometimes it’s anxiety, but more than likely it comes from the Governor’s attempts to “remember things” and having to remember things comes not simply from not having debate experience or not being good at debating, it comes from not really having spent time with your points in your own head of your own accord. If I were to ask the Governor to tell me the things right with Texas, wrong with Texas, what he would change about policies in TX if given everything he sought, he’d have no memory troubles but the decision to run for President was only recently made and likely he’d not thought long and hard about policy and the Presidency.

    People came to Rick Perry, as they did to Chris Christie, and begged him to run. Christie made the right decision.

    • unitedwestood

      Normally I really like Ann Coulter, but she was on Hannity’s radio talk show and said ” I like Romney because he’s mold-able, He can be molded into what we want him to be”. Well, if he’s that flimsy, the democrats can mold him too! ( since he already leans left it shouldn’t be hard) Then she said she thought that Rick Perry should quit over this and give all the money he’s made to the Nominated candidate. I’m sure it doesn’t matter to her one bit, but she lost my respect, and I’ll just turn the channel when she comes on ( at least for awhile) Sean lost some of my respect and I probably won’t watch him much either, yes, I know, they really could careless what I think. Please don’t root for Romney and insult my intelligence by telling me you haven’t picked a candidate YET!

      Mark Lavin played sound bite after sound bite of Obama making gaffe after gaffe! I’m not so sure where people get that’s he’s this great debater. He might of been when he could bash someone else, when he could contrast himself with President Bush, but now, it’s his RECORD he has to defend, his policies he has to defend, not his golf score, but what he’s done and is doing to this country. We’ve all seen him without a teleprompter, it’s sad … and Biden is just as bad, if not worse. Yet, for some reason people keep building him up to be this great speaker…………He’s lousy at speaking with and without a teleprompter…. and frankly, if he lies too much, he then, becomes transparent. I think we should be focused on making the media do THEIR jobs, without the media… Obama has no chance at re-election. My two cents and rant for the day!

      • jakeofalltrades

        After writing practically an entire book about how we win when run the conservative and lose when we run the liberal, her comments make me want to take her book back to Barnes & Noble and get a refund.

      • 4suramcan

        The news media IS the enemy of our republic. Its being used b y the America haters to help destroy everything that is right and good. We need to inform everyone we talk to about this, while we are still free to do so.

      • usa1776usa

        I’ve listened to Coulter enough to draw the conclusion that she is an insider…She has been trumpeting Christie for a long time but when you look at his record and positions, there isn’t a lot of difference between him and Romney. The reason I would pull for Christie over Romney is that at least Christie doesn’t flip flop. That said, neither of them are conservative enough for me and neither have a stellar record to run on. Hannity has disappointed me lately too. He wrote Perry off long ago and I do not know why. Perry is a terrible debater, perhaps the worst in the history of televised one minute/thirty second debates. That said, no one on stage can match his record. It eclipses everyone. The only one to come close is Newt Gingrich (loved the Contract with America). But Newt lost his way on a few important issues (couch with Nancy comes to mind). Also, unfortunately his personal life is going to hammer him. None of us are perfect but you can bet that a billion dollars and the mainstream media will run an endless parade of damaging information on Newt to turn large segments of our voting population off. I really do wish conservative would truly evaluate the candidates’ records and policies before embracing insider pundits who have been against Perry from the beginning.

      • usa1776usa

        I’ve listened to Coulter enough to draw the conclusion that she is an insider…She has been trumpeting Christie for a long time but when you look at his record and positions, there isn’t a lot of difference between him and Romney. The reason I would pull for Christie over Romney is that at least Christie doesn’t flip flop. That said, neither of them are conservative enough for me and neither have a stellar record to run on. Hannity has disappointed me lately too. He wrote Perry off long ago and I do not know why. Perry is a terrible debater, perhaps the worst in the history of televised one minute/thirty second debates. That said, no one on stage can match his record. It eclipses everyone. The only one to come close is Newt Gingrich (loved the Contract with America). But Newt lost his way on a few important issues (couch with Nancy comes to mind). Also, unfortunately his personal life is going to hammer him. None of us are perfect but you can bet that a billion dollars and the mainstream media will run an endless parade of damaging information on Newt to turn large segments of our voting population off. I really do wish conservative would truly evaluate the candidates’ records and policies before embracing insider pundits who have been against Perry from the beginning.

      • usa1776usa

        Coulter has been trumpeting Christie for a long time but when you look at his record and positions, there isn’t a lot of difference between him and Romney. The reason I would pull for Christie over Romney is that at least Christie doesn’t flip flop. That said, neither of them are conservative enough for me and neither have a stellar record to run on. Hannity has disappointed me lately too. It seems he wrote Perry off long ago and I do not know why. Hannity wants to ensure republicans take back the White House in 2012 and maybe he feels the best debater is our best hope. I think he couldn’t be more wrong. Records matter. Right now, the left is doing everything it can (with assistance from Perry unfortunately) do destroy the Perry is the most successful leader. Perry is a terrible debater, perhaps the worst in the history of televised one minute/thirty second debates. That said, no one on stage can match his record. It eclipses everyone. The only one to come close is Newt Gingrich (loved the Contract with America). But Newt lost his way on a few important issues (couch with Nancy comes to mind). Also, unfortunately his personal life is going to hammer him. None of us are perfect but you can bet that a billion dollars and the mainstream media will run an endless parade of damaging information on Newt to turn large segments of our voting population off. In fact, expect that assault if Romney or Cain gets the nomination also. They will attack Perry but no personal baggage, solid conservative pedigree, and someone’s word you can trust will be much harder to attack. I really do wish conservative would truly evaluate the candidates’ records and policies before embracing insider pundits who have been against Perry from the beginning.

    • annie54

      when he ENTERED the race.

      Granted, Christie made the right decision by NOT entering the race. He is just an overweight Romney.

  • tricianc

    “But to neuroscientists, what happened to Texas Gov. Rick Perry Wednesday night looked like something very ordinary, exacerbated by stress: a

  • vamoose

    It really doesn’t matter what you call it. Perry’s Meatloaf moment (Two out of three ain’t bad) casts doubt upon his ability to defeat Obama in 2012. That’s the sad truth. Is Perry’s lapse is a matter of forgetting what his wife told him to get at the grocery store or forgetting her birthday? Closer to the latter I’d say. And this comes on the heels of a string of lackluster debate performances.

    The Perry campaign seems to realize that their candidate is incapable of improving and has been asking the electorate to change how they evaluate presidential candidates. While that may be OK with Perry supporters, I do not think it goes over so well with the rest of the voting public.

    • bzip

      My answer to you is: Have you seen and heard Obama without a teleprompter and I suggest that you read what I wrote yesterday:

      Okay Perry had a big gaffe last night. Did Perry try to blame someone, did Perry try and state he did understand the question

      • 4suramcan

        Let any one who has never gaffed, cast the first stone. Can you say then shut up.

        • retire05

          was talking about Perry’s gaffe. Wallace went on (and on) about how bad it was, but said that Perry had be doing a lot of damage control. Wallace then went on to talk about candidates doing damange control, and when he went back to talk about Rick Perry, for just a moment, Wallace forgot Perry’s name. Everyone on Fox and Friends sitting on the couch started laughing at Wallace’s momentary brain freeze. Wallace tried to recover saying “it can happen to anyone.”

          Perry should run that Wallace clip in an ad, and say “And I’m not paid to talk like Mr. Wallace. I’m paid to get things done and keep government off the backs of the citizens.”

          • pttx333

            getting it handed to him AND in from of his peers? Agree on the ad – don’t ever think that Team Perry isn’t aware of it.

        • thirstyboots

          Good luck with that.

      • cfoy65

        I had really hoped that Perry would have had the total package(i.e. conservative values and conservative record, no skelatons in closet, great oratory skills, and charisma) when he entered the race, but soon became disallusioned with everyone else when he seemed to be missing the oratory skills.
        As time has gone on, I realize that all of our candidates are lacking in one or more of the aforementioned areas, and I would have to make a choice. I come down to conservative values and record as being the most important quality to me. I can see how others may differ with me though, and choose exceptional oratory skills. Ideally, it would be great to have both, but I feel the candidates that have the best oratory skills also lack the consistent conservative record, so like I said…it’s a choice!

        Thanks to all the posters of the videos today…I was feeling pretty down yesterday and ready to throw in the towel! Instead I woke up to a good laugh and made a contribution to the Perry campaign!!

  • bobguzzardi

    Had Rick Perry not screwed up, no one would be paying any attention at all to his bold policy statement that we should all be thrilled to hear.

    What is downside of eliminating Departments of Education, Commerce and Energy. Commerce and Energy seem to exist to funnel taxpayer money to Corporatists.

    Rick Perry has the substantive and powerful ideas and policy positions and believes them with an obvious heartfelt sincerity.

    And how many of us have not screwed up.

    “Before you care what he knows, you have to know he cares.” and Rick Perry cares. Obama Romney Gingrich care about power.

    Rick Perry is The Guy and he can win Pennsylvania

    Are we voting for the slickest talker or for a leader? Even Mitt Romney cannot out slick Barack Obama? and by the way, how many houses does Mitt Romney have?

    • pttx333

      person, living or dead, who has not had countless “uh ohs” in their lifetime, whether or not they will admit it. That is just it – Perry freely admits when he goofed and why he is so special to me. He’s like every other person, your Main Street friend. Only elitists are the ones without the ability to understand this. They are, and will remain, c.l.u.e.l.e.s.s. Pathetic, huh.

      • 4suramcan

        And they can vote

        • pttx333

          they also breed! SHUDDERING!!!!

    • thirstyboots

      Only about his gaffe.

      Why is it relevant how many houses Mitt Romney have? Is the Occupy Red State?

  • sherlocktoo

    Does anyone else find it amazing how the media continues to treat Perry. Well he is doing an excellent job of damage control, but it is more they than he who is creating the damage with their opinions. Saying that his campaign was over, makes me want to go punch some of these jerks in the face. the media is still trying to choose our nominee, and that is just wrong.

    And then, they seem to have a way of overlooking any mistakes Obama makes. Sign this bill, and now he won’t sign the bill for the oil pipeline, so who can take him serious, that he want people to be employed.

    We must correct the “Mistake Of 0-8″, and we must make Obama “The One Term Wonder”.

    • thirstyboots

      Perry is polling out of the top 5 in Iowa now. He’s polling below 5% in New Hampshire. In single digits in South Carolina. His favs/unfavs are very negative even amongst republican voters. I strongly suspect his fundraising has been anemic in the last month or two. He keeps having blunder after blunder.

      Perry is only seen as a major candidate in a few internet sites.

      • greyeagle

        Polls can be manipulated anyway the pollsters want and gullible people fall into that trap. The so called debates run by liberal moderators have been a joke. The liberals want to destroy the individual or individuals who could beat Obama (or who he fears or hates) and ensure that weak candidates win. Blunder after blunder? Only on the so called laughable debates. He is doing wonderful at his speeches or townhalls talking to the people. I am from TX and know full well what Governor Perry stands for and his capabilities. He is a staunch conservative, both social and fiscal. I have voted for him in the last 3 elections and will vote for him again. I ignore polls, and will NOT watch anymore of these idiot so called debates.

        • jakeofalltrades

          And there are several of those. Gallup, Pew, Zogby, Rasmussen, and Marist, off the top of my head.

          • thirstyboots

            I disagree.

            He’s one of the few pollsters I don’t care about. His internet polls are a complete joke; the others aren’t much better.

            Anyway, when all the pollsters are showing the same thing, it’s probably an accurate picture of what the American public is feeling at the moment.

  • geoph

    I’ve been having them since grade school, but then again – I’ve never run for the Presidency of the United States.

    What concerns me is not so much forgetting, but why he forgot.
    Did he come into the race believing he was already handed the nomination, and not just an opportunity to seize it?
    Is Perry uncomfortable in this debate type setting?
    Does his speaking style lend itself to a more casual environment?
    Remember, Nixon beat Kennedy in the debate, but lost in public opinion on appearances.

    It does not appear Perry is going to successfully alter himself to fit this perception of what the President is, so I would urge him to mold the perception of the Presidency to fit his personality. That is how the office works in reality after all. It’s not a position that is a constant throughout time, regardless of its occupant. It is a highly personalized post.
    So Mr. Perry, show us what you will be like as President. Don’t try to show us that you are a guy who can fit into something off the rack. Show us how you look in that custom tailored suit – then let us decide if we like it.

    • pttx333

      horses you are beating. Do you understand how arrogant and pompous you sound? Go practice in the bathroom mirror while you record yourself, then play it back. Maybe you’ll understand your approach then. ‘kay?

      • geoph

        Hey, I love horses.
        And don’t let your Perry-hate taint your perception.

        Oh, the bathroom mirror is free so you can make sure your high hat is on straight…..you’ve been on a role today.

        • jakeofalltrades

          which I always get a kick out of.

          • pttx333

            c

          • jakeofalltrades

            which makes me chuckle.

          • geoph

            :-)

        • pttx333

          pompous and arrogant with what you wrotte. Tis easy to get one’s “twords wisted” sometimes, we all do it.

          Perry-hate: ‘splain to me to me. Does that mean I hate Perry or is there some other connotation? I don’t get the connection there that would fit with perception.

          Just as a suggestion, you might want to use a little different approach before coming out with guns blazing and words all strangely twisted around so one could glean a comprehensive take on them. Thanks.

          • 1spark

            Perry seems to be trying to put so much stock into looking and acting Presidential.

            I think you misunderstood his comment, pttx333. He was being helpful.

    • annie54

      and I like your point about him not altering himself. Our nation is going to require a president who doesn’t just “fit the mold or the description.” What the POTUS in 2013 will face is different than any president has ever had to deal with. The citizens are going to need some humor and humanism here and there while getting rid of the piles of mess this administration has piled on. We already know that Perry wears the boots to step in it.

      • pttx333

        What you see is what you get with Perry, dear. He IS truly who is day after day … magnificent personality, not a fake one, just himself. Smart as a whip, a hard-working, honorable, decent, and very well rounded gentleman – gentleman being the key word here. Did you know he has played drums on stage with ZZ Top just for fun? Did you know he loves to play the piano, Beethoven, no less? He is one of very rare people who fits in at a goat ropin’ or a State dinner with dignitaries. The reason he can do this is that he is honest and truth, straight shooter, so he never has to try to remember what he said last time. If you want a good laugh, go over to the Horserace Diary where ‘acat has posted Letterman’s show last night with Perry. It is so funny and the crowd loved it and so did Letterman. I’m still laughing. What you will see there is Perry as himself, no phony acting, he’s just being who he is – that is why he has been elected here over and over. He’s great!

        • annie54

          I agree with you, also. I liked what geoph said about not altering to fit the mold. Rick Perry is his own original. He’s not like Bush. He’s not like Reagan. He’s not like Teddy Roosevelt. HE IS RICK PERRY. Some candidates will try to be “like” him some day but will only be second best.

          People can’t fully appreciate a person who is comfortable in his own skin because they aren’t comfortable in their own skin.

          I hope Perry gets the message out. I saw him on Letterman last night also. Laura Ingrahm told him not to do it because Letterman would hurt him. Perry showed his stuff. He’s a confident man with a sense of humor and a lotta heart.

          • pttx333

            say such a thing. You notice Perry didn’t listen! ;-) Letterman looked like he was having a blast to me! The audience loved it, Perry was fantastic, what’s not to like there.

            Yep, Perry is the one they fear the most, hence all the vicious, vile and lying smears. The libs, et al., always do that – they’re so transparent that it is funny. They haven’t figured out yet that all they’re doing is letting us know who can beat b.o. or whoever they have running. They’re trying to get Romney as the nominee because, even he would would beat b.o., they could still mold him and twist him around (because he is a windsock) and he’d do whatever they wish. Pathetic, huh?

            We’ll do it, Rick will do it – he is a winner all the way around!

          • annie54

            so this is going to be great with Romney and Gingrich vetting each other. “Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their party” Remember that in typing class?

            Herman will be self-distructing and Rick will be spending his money on ads. Finally, through all of this, people are getting to know Rick.

            The campaign wants volunteers in Iowa for the caucus from 12/27 to 1/4, which would be great to do although expensive. I’ll just make another donation. rickperry.org

          • bzip

            It’s rather funny to me. The first votes haven’t been cast yet and polls can change drastically as they have been. As much as I am a strong supporter of Perry and I will stand by him till the end – I can at least see the argument and understand the Newt support and how Newt can qualify (though he has a lot of baggage and problems).

            What I cannot see and understand is the Cain support and I will argue Cain’s qualification till the end. Because in my mind Cain support is based (from what I have seen and heard) on completely silly reason; likeable factor, anti-politician, etc sorry but that doesn’t cut it for the next POTUS.

            Even stranger is those who favor Cain because he is the outsider, the anti-politician how could any Cain supporter than change to Newt based on those reason. Newt is the life time career politician.

          • izoneguy
          • changeforrickperry

            He’s got so much baggage. There’s some things I really like about him. He’s a very smart man–but I don’t think he’s WISE, and there’s a difference.

            The MSM will have him for lunch. And I think it’ll be easier for the Tea Party to see that he’s no better (if not worse) than Cain. Gingrich is just as much establishment as Romney. I just don’t think he’ll inspire the base, and certainly not the evangelicals. Being married three times and having affairs while his wives were sick…well, I just don’t think it’ll go over well. There’s also the matter of his 84 ethics violations. Talk about skeletons. Gardasil will be nothing in comparison.
            ______________________________________________________________
            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

            www.changeforrickperry.org

          • avgjo

            The reason I have leaned towards him for most of the primary season is what I heard him say and what I asked him about.

            See, my dad, who knows far more about politics than any talking head or talk show host (except maybe Levin, and there it would be a tie) and who is one of four people alive I can think of that I would trust in a constitutional convention, has pointed out for years (I remember first hearing it in the sixth grade) that the reason conservatives get bloodied so often is that they let the libs control the conversation. the only public figure i ever heard say this was Rush Limbaugh.

            Anyway, Mr. Gingrich brought this up in his American Solutions workshop last year in New Orelans. I asked him to elaborate, and he gave some practical examples of how he’d do it. And that’s what he’s done. And that’s why, despite having less money than probably any other candidate, the man is now second in two polls today, and those within m.o.e. percentages of the lead.

            I have often wondered how effective it would be if before each interview, the candidate had (1) his own camera to record the whole thing (youtube’s a wonderful thing), (2) some dirt from a p.i. on the interviewer (just in case they tried to surprise him) and (3) had a gotcha question ready for the interviewer (Katie Couric:’Mr. so-and-so, what’s your opinion on the tensions between muslim Hausas and Christian Igbos in Nigeria?’ Mr. So-and-so: ‘That’s a great question, Ms. couric. i’m curious what do you think of the role of the Loma people in the civil war in Liberia?’)

            If I could see any candidate doing this, it would be Gingrich. I think he’s ready for the media. After all, he sort of owes them.

            I’m an evangelical. I believe that a person who gets saved is a new creature (born again as the Bible teaches.) Mr. Gingrich seems to have truly committed his life to God. I think many people will see that. If they don’t maybe their pastors need to remind them of that.

          • acat

            I think they started a long, long time ago…

            I’ll support Newt but … I want someone holding his leash.

            Mew

          • jakeofalltrades

            Return to the Pelosi couch? Extramarital affair?

            As with many RedState readers, your opinion carries a bit of weight with me, so I’m curious. Thanks!

          • acat

            He is easily the smartest of the candidates. It’d take the combined mental heft of Bachmann and Perry to equal Newt.

            I find it hard to know, since I’m not the sharpest cat in the litter, which way Gingrich is going to go on an issue, what he sees or is aware of that I’m not seeing … It’s hard to know which of our visions is correct.

            Comes down, in the end, to whether I trust him… and I don’t. Thus, the leash.

            Show me how we get Jim DeMint as Senate Majority Leader and I’ll happily take President Gingrich. I am much more leery of Gingrich with our current leader, Squishypants McConnel.

            This is one of the reasons I would prefer a Perry/Gingrich ticket. I have a better understanding of what drives Perry.

            Mew

          • westcoastpatriette

            Just curious.

          • acat

            I suppose it depends on how one measures sharpness.

            One of my littermates did much better than I did on standardized tests back in school, another is raising 3 remarkable kids after losing a spouse to cancer, another served in the USMC and is now managing software support for a financials outfit. I’m a slacker by comparison.

            Or, to put it another way, I don’t suffer from the illusion that I’m the brightest bulb in the room. Newt, though, appears to think he is… and most days he’s probably right. It’s the times he’s wrong that we pay.

            Mew

          • westcoastpatriette

            You were speaking literally rather than metaphorically.

            Not sure I would agree with the scale you are using to measure your sharpness in comparison to the other kitties. Where did you fall in terms of birth order?

          • acat

            but I’m in the middle, for whatever you can make of it.

            You’d asked for sharpness, and in terms of raw brains, drive, and discipline, I am the lesser in the litter. I am, however, reasonably satisfied with my life. Not complaining, anyway!

            Mew

          • wbf

            I teased you the other day…I lived in France for 12 years and in Quebec for 5 years. It took me a long time even living there to learn to speak french. My daughter is married to a French Canadian and now when I talk to my 2 year old granddaughter on Skype I show her pictures and instead of “chicken” she responds “poule” , instead of “cow” she says “vache” then “encore”…more. My french has gotten very rusty and I never learned to write it very well. So the other day when I saw your “Je comprend tres bien…” it immediately caught my eye!!

            You were very kind to me, encouraging me to participate at RedState.
            I was able post another video today thanks to your instructions.
            It was Thomas Sowell’s comments on the candidates.

            Thank you, acat!!

          • acat

            I’ve always had a knack for languages, I can read bits and pieces of several – I am not nearly fluent in any – arguably not even english – and would likely starve if I couldn’t point at menus.

            I’m glad you’re participating. Welcome to Red State!

            (I’m going to have to go find your video, Sowell’s a good thinker and speaker)

            Mew

          • jakeofalltrades

            Great point about the legislature checking the president, btw. The mid-term election thing pretty much means that half of a president’s career, the other party will usually be checking the president, which is why squishes are so dangerous.

            The couch thing points out some Newt squishiness, and we all know how Romney would be.

          • acat

            I don’t think Newt was on it to be squishy. I think he was trying to “get a seat at the table”, that is, to get to where he could have input or raise objections on the political solutions proposed to the global warming issue. Remember that his ad appearance was well before the East Anglia unit scandal blew wide open.

            The problem I have with the ad is, by the time he did it, there was already a good bit of skepticism among Conservatives, which Newt completely ignored.

            This goes to why I don’t trust Newt. I don’t understand his motivation. If it was obvious to me that “man-made global warming” was a falsehood – I’m old enough to remember Scientific American articles on putting huge mirrors in space to reverse global cooling (and for your history lesson today, the Soviets actually tried it) – so why couldn’t he see it – and if he did, what did he hope to gain with that seat?

            Call it a desire for predictability after four years under Obama…

            Mew

          • acat

            I would trust McConnel with Perry in the White House.

            Does that make sense?

            Mew

          • jakeofalltrades

            if we lose control of Congress?

            Oh wait – the Senate doesn’t flip as quickly. Gotcha.

          • changeforrickperry

            Is it actually going to Iowa, or are there others ways to be a volunteer? My brother and I were looking over the “Volunteer” page at Perry’s website the other day, but not knowing what it might lead us to, we didn’t go any farther than talking about it.

            Also, anybody know when/if Perry will set up headquarters in Louisiana?
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          • annie54

            to come to Iowa during that time. They want at least 1,200 volunteers on the ground. The website for that is strikeforce@rickperry.org

            It is volunteer all the way. That means you pay your expenses. You would be running yard signs to people, going door to door and working your buns off. It’s usually very cold at that time with snow on the ground.

            If you go to that website, they answer quite promptly; however, they’ve had thousands sendiing e-mails on another site in response to an e-mail the campaign sent out immediately after the debate on WED night. That website has “forget” in it. I have it should you want it.

          • changeforrickperry

            I know there was the forgetmenot email address, and the invitation to email your least-favorite federal agencies (Mine were Labor, Education, Energy, and the IRS, btw). I didn’t know there was a website, though.
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            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

            www.changeforrickperry.org

          • annie54

            forgetmenot@rickperry.org

            That’s the one they have received thousands of responses to. It’s amazing what is happening that the media isn’t aware of or are too deaf and blind to realize.

          • texasroots

            Go to www.rickperry.org (the website for his presidential campaign.) Once you sign on, you will receive the emails. There is also TeamRick Perry on twitter.

          • annie54

            volunteers to go on Twitter and Facebook, which you can do from home. I forgot about that. You could find out about that by sending an e-mail to strikeforce@rickperry.com .

          • changeforrickperry

            That would probably be a better route for me. I’ll look into it!
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            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

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          • annie54

            enough to go to Iowa and sleep on the hotel room floor and eat pizza 24/7. I’m too old & pampered for that. You should do it while your’re young, help Perry get elected and have a toe in the door for a possible job some day.

          • changeforrickperry

            I really would–but let me give you an idea of my life! I’m the oldest of nine children, I live on a farm with 9 goats and 3 dozen chickens, and our family is homeschooled. Not only that, but in January my dad leaves for his annual week-long business trip, so having two major trips like that would be hard on the whole family.

            If I thought I could go up to Iowa, I would. As it is, I’m learning to “Do Hard Things” right where I am! We’ve started a website and I’m reaching out to people I know. I’m sure even Governor Perry would understand :D
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          • pttx333

            Of course Gingrich is above Cain ;-) … YEE HAW! I knew Cain was going to drop like a rock once the polls caught up. His handling of this whole thing has proven to me that the man is guilty as all get-out – no way out of it either. And this a.m. Block was out there saying that Perry leaked it – again he said it? Sheesh – what a bunch of loons! Cain’s plan very shortly is going to be minus 000.

            It is easy for people to get to know our guy – all they’ve got to do is look and listen. It is that easy. Well, except for those who don’t want to listen! LOL

            Iowa will be fun to watch!

          • bobguzzardi

            Perry dazzled the Libs! An authentic charm. And hasn’t Letterman had some goofs? Rick Perry cares and you can “feel him” as the rappers say.

        • avagreen

          Fools.

  • scottb

    certainly isn’t my pick of the litter. But the media including Fox is making to big a deal of this. Like one poster said, let him/her that hasn’t had a brain freeze, cast the first stone. I don’t see too many legit stones flying.

    • center77

      and that’s what Jesus taught us, and i believe its right.

  • annie54

    when Perry and Paul were discussing Perry’s three and Paul raised his hand showing five. That was the most spontaneous rapport between two candidates we have ever seen! The two of them were completely natural. Perry didn’t show stress in the least, then came the “oops”. Viewers are seeing the videos over and over and, actually, seeing the human and humorous side of Rick Perry. I hope everyone can eventually laugh out loud.

  • renl57

    Friday, November 11, 2011

    Of the top contenders for the Republican presidential nomination, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney is viewed most favorably by all voters, while Texas Governor Rick Perry is the least liked. Among Republican voters, Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich still earn mostly positive reviews, while Perry and Ron Paul do not.

    Following his devastating debate freeze, just 25% of voters nationwide now have a favorable opinion of Perry.

    http://tinyurl.com/89mjgwm

    (That compares with a 42% approval rating of Obama, according to Rasmussen.)

    No candidate with a 25% approval rating can win a general election.

    • cfoy65

      We could have a poll of what percent of the people have a favorable opinion of the VOTERS nationwide….afterall, this is the brilliant group that gave us Obummer and company. I’m no longer basing my vote on appeasing a bunch of ding dongs out there. I’m voting FOR my principles this time and could really care less about someone elses opinion on who is electable and who is not! At this point, I could care less about winning if I have to give up my principals to do so. Just my 2 cents!

    • changeforrickperry

      I get so weary of seeing polls where 300-500 people are interviewed, and then hear that that’s supposed to be representative of nation of 30 million people. For all we know, every person interviewed in that poll could be a registered Democrat from the West and Northeast Coasts.

      I didn’t choose Rick Perry as my candidate because he was at the top of the polls: I chose him because he’s the most qualified. Rush Limbaugh himself said that the polls are designed to discourage us, to accept Mitt Romney as the Inevitable One.

      This time last go-round, it was going to be a race between Rudy Giuliani and Hillary Clinton. John McCain was dragging his own luggage through the airports and Barack Obama’s campaign was a long-shot.

      What lovely things polls are, so reliable, yes precioussss, so dependable. /sarcasm
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      • texasroots

        I still have the image of John McCain dragging the luggage, looking so alone, tired and old, and what do you know he was the nominee!!
        One word of advice, don’t put too much heart in the negative things said about Perry, Stay positive. Too many polls, too many opinions, it’s hard to know the reliability.

        • changeforrickperry

          What was it like when John McCain started winning states? Not that I liked him–I was barely involved but at least knew that he wasn’t the most conservative candidate–but surely it must have been a huge surprise. My mom remarked just last night that she can’t wait for Perry to start winning states in spite of being low in the polls. It’ll be funny to watch the MSM go into hysterics.

          Thanks for the advice. When Perry first announced I put WAY too much faith in the polls. I was excited every time I saw him at 38% or whatever it was. When he went down I was pretty disheartened until I started reading RedState more faithfully. I started hearing about how the polls looked back in 2007, and I started looking more closely at the statistics in some of these polls. I also started reading about Rick Perry’s eggheads, and how they won victories in Texas in spite of low poll numbers.

          Since then I’ve stopped reading ANY liberal news sites. I don’t read Texas Tribune since I found out it was liberal. I used to go to HotAir a lot but stopped when the mods and commentators started beating up on Perry at every chance. So now my main news sources are RedState, Rush Limbaugh, with Fox, Drudge, and the UK’s Telegraph for my cursory glance at other non-political headlines. I know some people might accuse me of being in a bubble, but here’s a big example from today of why I don’t bother with the MSM anymore:

          I’m at my grandparents’ house today (which is why I’m on so much today–time to relax and work on the computer!) and they had on ABC News. There was a report about Perry and Cain doing damage control, and they ended it with the snide comment, “Perhaps the best thing going for Herman Cain is that he isn’t Rick Perry.” That made me so mad. They are so blatantly rude, so openly biased against Perry.

          Quote from the movie “Amazing Grace”: “It seems to me that if you have a bad taste in your mouth, you spit it out. You don’t constantly swallow it back.” THAT is why I’ve abandoned the MSM.
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    • retire05

      from November 15, 2007:

      Guiliani 28%
      Romney 13%
      McCain 11%
      Thompson 11%
      Huckabee 11%
      Paul 6%

      Seems a candidate can come back from the dead in the primaries.

      And we are not into a general election yet. This is still primary season and the polls will be as fluid as they were in 2007 for quite a while yet, at least until Super Tuesday.

      • annie54

        December 27, 2007 while he was in Des Moines. Benazir Bhutto was assassinated and McCain’s reply to a question asked him and the other candidates was profound. The other candidates’ responses were very lame.

        Her assassination was his turning point. We never know, do we?

        • retire05

          by a pretty good margin. What saved McCain’s tail was Huckabee throwing his delegates to McCain on Super Tuesday. Within days, Romney dropped out.

          But this time in 2007, Guiliani was the hands on favorite to win the GOP primary and Hillary was thought to have in bagged.

          • changeforrickperry

            I was too young and uninterested in 2007 to pay much attention–unfortunately–so I’m putting the pieces together as I go. So retire05, you’re saying that Huckabee told his supporters to vote for McCain? Wow. So eventually the minor candidates start doing that for the eventual winner?

            Ohhh, this is all making sense. Now I’ll start wondering who will tell their supporters to vote for Romney or Perry. (*begins making list*) This should be interesting.
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          • acat

            Pawlenty endorsed Romney after he dropped out.

            I lost quite a lot of respect for Tim over that… I understand Romney has the money to pay off Tim’s campaign debt, but still.

            Romney.

            Mew

          • changeforrickperry

            I wasn’t surprised by Pawlenty. It was pretty funny when Romney announced Pawlenty was supporting him, and then Perry pulled out Governor Jindal’s endorsement the same afternoon! LOL! I was laughing about that for several days.

            I just can’t see Bachmann endorsing Romney. I’ve respected her for so long…if she endorses Romney I (and the Tea Party, I think) will be completely disillusioned. I can’t even see Santorum endorsing Romney, not with Mittens’ wobbly record on abortion and marriage. If those things are as important to Santorum as he says they are, surely he won’t side with a man like Romney.

            I think Gingrich would endorse Perry, actually. I think they have a lot of respect for each other. Huntsman and Cain are the only ones I can say would most likely endorse Romney. The others, I’m not so sure. I could be completely wrong about all this…that’s just what I’m guessing as of 11-11-11.
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          • acat

            Unless Bachmann and Santorum have been unusually smart for candidates, they’re going to be out of cash for, in Bachmann’s case, for her own re-election…

            Since Santorum’s effectively retired, he has only the speaking circuit to fall back on… but I’ll bet he wants to do more. (love to see him run for his old Senate seat .. if he can afford it!)

            Who but Romney can bail them out? Cain? Perry?

            Mew

          • changeforrickperry

            I really REALLY hope you’re wrong, acat–no offense. I hope that Santorum and Bachmann have more integrity than that. But I see your point. If they’re just politicians, just like the rest of ‘em in Washington, then they’ll probably do as you say. If only people would just let go of their own egos!

            Makes me sad. I’ll hold out hope for Bachmann, though. I used to really like her, and when I found out she was running earlier this year (pre-Perry) I was on board for her. When Perry came in she moved to my second-choice slot. I had a lot of respect for her until she went overboard with Gardasil, and still hope she’ll do the right thing when the time comes.
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          • jakeofalltrades

            but a mother of 101 dalmatians is entitled to some quirks without judging the rest of her mental state based on them.

    • greyeagle

      Polls present only a very small snapshot of anything. To make broad judgements based on a poll is laughable.

  • carolynr

    Finally, Fox thought it newsworthy to get Perry in front of the cameras. Play and replay his moment in front of him and then ask him why. Does the word “demeaning” come to your mind? Perry couldn’t even get a mention from Fox as a contender or on radio (Hannity). I said to hubby…watch them leave out Perry’s name…and time and time again they did…especially with Hannity.

    I don’t know whether Perry can win this. I hope with all my heart he does…because he is the only Conservative and he does have the guts to get what needs to be done…done. The man has character and that has shown through more than before this episode.

    I have also learned one thing. My “beloved” Fox and especially Hannity are not the people they pretend to be. Neither are the so-called Conservatives. Ann Coulter wants to back Christie. Bill Krystol wants to back Christie. What happened to these supposed stalwarts of Conservatism? Answer- they sold out their values. Meanwhile…Perry has kept his. Their two favorites…Romney…when you say anything to anybody for votes…well for lack of a better word…you’re an opportunist. Cain…he can’t keep his stories straight and blames everyone else for his problems. Put Cain and Romney together in a bowl and we have Obama…whalla.

    • wbf

      or Hannity for two weeks now. I feel free!!!

      • earlgrey

        but whenever I express a conservative opinion on a website with liberals, they tell me to stop spouting my “Faux News Talking Points”.

        I wonder how many other strong conservatives are out there that don’t watch ‘Faux News.”

        I think that is one of the very few weaknesses the liberal establishment has — they don’t really know or care to know their opposition.

        • center77

          I stopped watching fox. They screwed me bad. My girlfriend was a Dang anachist when I met her, bought into the whole liberal media bias. I spent a year and showed her why it was conservatives who don’t trust gov, she learned from watching Fox that the liberal media was biased, she turned conservative over a year and half, but after we have watched Fox shilling for Romney, hype Cain, and put him on 50 times a week, and bash Perry who clearly is the best man for the job, she thinking Danny Fox is no different that others except who they sell.

          • earlgrey

            Or is she gone back to being a lib/anarchist.

        • JSobieski

          Far better to spend 5 minutes on the Internet reading than it is to spend 50 minutes watching Fox or any other show.

          I go through extended periods of time where I watch absolutely no Fox News. During the debt ceiling debate this summer, I heard Brett Beir use the phrase “lets not get too deep into the weeds” a couple of times in a 5 minute segment, and in frustration I went TV free (with respect to news) until everything was done.

          The vast majority of cable news is extremely shallow, which in my view makes it worthless.

          • earlgrey

            they don’t allow you time to think and absorb. Of course, sometimes I feel like I must be living in an echo chamber because I mostly read conservative news sources.

          • JSobieski

            See what is persuasive and what isn’t. I used to be a lot more ideologically strident than I am now in terms of how I approached other people on issues. Now, I focus on planting seeds and trying to nudge people in the right directon. True persuasion of people worth the effort requires truly understanding the person’s point of view and being able to address it in an even handed way.

            Reagan truly was the great communicator. He rarely attacked the media (like Newt does) or even his political opponents. He did make jokes at their expense, and he always strove to persuade the persuadable.

            I do think our public discourse suffers from a heavy case of echo chamber isolation. Most people simply aren’t forced to encounter the opposing side’s point of view in an intelligent manner.

            I once heard about some Rabbi whose theory on arguments was that before you were allowed to present your own side, you first had to explain the other person’s position in a manner that was satisfactory to the other person. Only then could you argue your own position.

            I think there is a lot of insight in that communication framework. One of the reasons why Obama rubs people so badly is that he treats the conservative side of the argument as if it is inherently irrational. Thus 50% of the country feels like we aren’t being heard in any way (at best), or are being constantly insulted all the time (at worst).

      • avagreen

        :)

      • 1bunny

        I quit when they jumped on the defend Cain wagon with no regards to how he handled the controversy. How about fair and balanced. Had to switch to CNN and never thought I would go back to them and I haven’t watched them since the month of 9/11/01

    • thirstyboots

      arent’ conservatives or are sell-outs is just crazy.

      You people start just like Paulistas.

      I have major doubts about how conservative a Perry Administration would have been (I think we’d get W part deux) and I’d rather have a President Christie by a mile, but I don’t got around telling Perry supporters that they aren’t conservatives because they disagree.

      Plus, Perry is polling out of the top-5 in Iowa and New Hamsphire and in single digits in South Carolina and Florida. He isn’t a contender right now. That’s why they don’t mention him as one.

      • changeforrickperry

        The Paulistas won’t vote for anybody but Ron Paul. This is not necessarily true of the Perry supporters (or Perrybots, if you prefer). We often have several different candidates who we’d consider supporting. My first choice is Perry, but I wouldn’t mind voting for Michele Bachmann or Ron Paul. All three are very anti-establishment and have a deep love for the Constitution. I believe they have the good of the country at heart. I can’t say the same for the others.

        The fact of the matter is that Ann Coulter and the folks at Fox News HAVE betrayed the conservative movement. I saw earlier today that Ann Coulter said something about Romney being preferable because he can be “molded,” or something. Wow, sounds principled, eh? And she thinks that’s a good thing. Rather than take a candidate who is solidly conservative, she wants the guy who once ran to the left of Ted Kennedy.

        I have major doubts about how conservative a *Romney* Administration would have been (I think we’d get W part deux). That’s the least of my concerns with a President Perry. Bush believed we had to attack capitalism in order to save it; Perry embraces no such nonsense. But I have serious fears that Romney DOES.

        “He isn’t a contender right now,” you said. “That’s why they don’t mention him as one.” Question: why do Romney and Obama treat him like one? Did Obama respond when Jon Huntsman released his tax plan? Has Romney gone after Cain or Gingrich yet? I mean, golly, you’d think they were contenders, their poll numbers have skyrocketed. Wonder why Romney hasn’t built websites to tear them down yet?
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        • acat

          Barbourites – Haley Barbour supporters (extinct?)
          Blandwagoneers – Tim Pawlenty supporters (extinct?)
          Cainiacs – Herman Cain supporters
          Huckabot – Huckabee supporters
          Mitt-bots – Romney supporters
          Palinistas – Palin supporters
          Paulistine – Ron Paul supporters
          Paultard – Ron Paul supporters of unusual rudeness
          Perry-bot – Rick Perry supporters
          Rick-bot – Rick Perry supporters
          Rom-bots – Romney supporters

          I know I’ve left some out, what’s missing?

          • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

            .

          • windwaker24

            nt

          • changeforrickperry

            nt

          • tyman

            That was Rush’s nickname for Alan Keyes supporters.

            Rush’s nickname for Huckabee was “Huckster”, so his supporters might have been “Hucksters”.

          • Common_Cents

            Newtonites
            Newtards
            Newtbots
            GingGrinches

            and the number one Gingrich group:

            Newt Kids on the Block!

        • changeforrickperry

          in which I hear only crickets in response to my questions.
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          • aesthete

            nt

          • thirstyboots

            and not being able to monitor RS all the time to find out which replies to my comments I need to address. Sorry I had a life to take care of.

            I mean, if two freaking hours after a reply, two hours, I was whining because I still didn’t have an answer, I’d think “maybe it’s time I start finding some new hobbies and occupations, this level of obsession can’t be healthy”. But that’s me, suum cuique.

            If I didn’t reply to any questions that were directed towards me, please point them out – I probably miss them but I’d gladly answer them now. I won’t bother to make the same to you (even though I’m fairly sure that just recently one of you didn’t bother to answer a comment of mine, which makes those posts even more pathetic).

        • thirstyboots

          The idea that those who don’t agree with you are sell-outs or not conservatives shows a level of sectarianism and fanaticism that is typical of Paul supporters – and, more important that is atypical of conservatives. You should read an essay from Russell Kirk named “Chirping Sectaries”.

          The establishment thing is nothing more than a blatant red herring. Is anyone still paying attention to it? I mean, Perry isn’t establishment? A guy who’s the ultimate machine hack? A guy who has dominated the Texas GOP machine for a decade? Who has been in politics basically his entirely adult life? You just decided what candidates you like, then applied the anti-establishment moniker accordingly.

          Coulter supported Romney 4 years ago – like DeMint, Levin, Limbaugh or our host here, Erick Erickson. And they didn’t support him because he was the least bad, but, as they said then, because they thought he’d make a good conservative president. Did they all betray the conservative movement? That’s just the crazy fanaticism and over-the-top rhetoric I’m talking about.

          I think Perry would govern the country pretty much as him and Bush governed Texas – lots of government economic interventionism, especially when it comes to corporate welfare. We’d have the TEF at a national scale. I think a Romney administration would be pretty similar, but I think Romney would be more efficient and way more effective selling some conservative policies, like a balanced budget, to the public. And that will be essential. Anyway, that’s way beyond my point.

          • gekster

            Why don’t you post at HuffPo.
            They will respond to your blindness much better than here.

            And the only thing you got right is Bush and Perry are from Texas.
            The rest is a non sequitur.

          • thirstyboots

            but you need to deal with that obsession with ad hominem arguments.

            I didn’t got right those people supported Romney 4 years ago?

            That Russell Kirk bashed that sort of sectarianism and fanaticism in a famous essay?

            That Perry has been a machine hack who dominates the GOP machine in Texas and has been making a living out of politics for most of his adult life?

            That policies like TEF are corporate welfare?

            I don’t think those facts are even arguable.

            The rest is a matter of opinion. One can agree to disagree without being as aggressive as you like to be.

          • avagreen

            not kewl.
            Mind rape is when the speaker treats the thoughts of another as if s/he had the ability to intrude into that arena of privacy and the privilege of interpretation as to those thoughts and intentions with respect to them. It’s also when a “judge” assigns validity to what is called “circumstantial evidence” in order to reach a conclusion as to the intents and purposes of the ‘person being read’, or the ‘accused’ of intangible wrongdoing.

          • avagreen

            Let me repeat the post that you didn’t understand the last time I posted it.

            http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2011/11/11/newt-up-everyone-else-down-in-the-cain-fallout/#comment-17547

            See if you can see any connection between your eager pronouncement of Perry’s demise and Obama’s “trailing” numbers behind *cough* Edwards *cough* and Hillary.

          • thirstyboots

            Perry had a commanding lead in the polls for a brief moment when he entered the race. Now he’s out of the top-5 in Iowa, out of the top-5 in New Hampshire and polling in single numbers in South Carolina. His national numbers have declined all the way from the 30s to single digits and, most importantly, his favorables have gone from positive to very, very negative. Right now he’s polling at Sarah Palin’s levels with the general election electorate.

            And you’re comparing this with an Iowa poll for Obama…. in MAY 2007? Obama was an up’n'coming candidate, that had very little name recognition at that point.

            I have no idea why you think this is a good comparison. I mean, the May vs November thing alone is quite puzzling.

          • avagreen
          • thirstyboots

            is to, before you you type post comment, think “would I say this to a person I don’t even know, in a social set, in real life”? It the honest answer is no, then re-write it.

            No reason whatsoever to behave differently in the internet than in real life. And I doubt you’d do all that enraged name-calling if you were talking to an acquaintance, in public, face to face.

          • pttx333

            in that tone. Second, BITTER? Why in the h.e.l.l. would we Perry supporters be bitter, for Pete’s sake? Perry’s (gasp!) oops moment is and will continue to be the defining moment of his campaign, leading him directly to 1600. You know not of what you speak.

            As Rush would say, “Don’t doubt me!”

          • Xasteius

            Garlic Cloves
            Peeled Oranges
            Olive oil
            Salt

            Pour the olive oil onto a plate and lightly sprinkle salt on it. Take a section of peeled orange with a clove of garlic and rub on the olive oil. Eat and enjoy!

          • pttx333

            e

          • Xasteius

            The orange takes the sharpness out of the raw garlic.

          • pttx333

            x

          • Xasteius

            It could considered an snack or a dip (like those Italian restaurants where they bake the garlic and cover it in olive oil and you rub the bread into it). It’s the perfect cold-preventive I can think of.

            It is actually not my idea. Someone suggested it to me, and I tried it. The name I gave to it was mine, though.

          • pttx333

            that way many times sans oranges in Italian restaurants. Boy, I’ll bet that is good. And it will at least keep the vampires at bay! ;-)

            Not that I have a problem with garlic! Love it …

          • center77

            has continued to flip flop on every issue except health care. Perry is nothing like Bush, bush was all about being president, Perry has been about states rights, and he is the one who has governed is a conservative way. Bush always worked with Democrats, even as president, nut Perry made the D a nonfacter in Texas. there are huge differences between the two.

          • thirstyboots

            What is known about Romney now that was unknown in 08?

    • gracie

      where will we go for news after this….

  • carolynr

    Today…Herman has himself an attorney. Go to Drudge Report and you will see that there is more than a veiled threat from this attorney, wherein…if you make a false statement you face the consequences. Well….ok…that seems fair…but it is also intimidating and Herman, as the article states is falling bad with women. What message is Herman sending while he tries to save himself…don’t report sexual abuse or you will be sued? Look…I don’t know whether the guy did this or not…but my whole thing is that Herman Cain does not have the experience, both nationally or globally to be POTUS. He is a blamer…and I’m done with that. He’ll pick up where Obama left off…it’s all Obama’s fault. Well…guess what…we know that…how are you going to fix it…WAIT…I HAVE IT….999

    • bzip

      Yep, Herman Cain is sending a clear message and it isn’t a pretty message.

      If you don’t think this is going to hurt him in the general election or hurt the sexual harassment ause you better think twice.

    • retire05

      who is a bottom feeder just like Allred.

      Lin Wood represented John and Patsy Ramsey in the disappearance of their daughter agaist almost all the media outlets. (I always thought that they were somehow involved in JonBenet’s disappearance. There is something radically wrong with a mother who lives vicariously through her daughter, dressing her like a ship channel hooker, complete with dark red lipstick, sexy dresses and false eyelashes. It usually dooms the child to a troubled adulthood, just ask Mickey Rooney, Margaret O’Brien or Shirley Temple Black.) He won millions in $$ for the Ramsey’s in their slander cases.

      Then he went on to defend another bottom feeder, the legal leech who attached himself to Anna Nicole Smith, and who should have been found guilty of enabling her to drug herself to death, Howard K.Stern.

      Wood is no different from Allred. He just takes a different route. Allred sues for money for women who claim they have been abused. Wood sues for money for those he claims have been slandered. Two peas in a pod.

      There is also rumors that Bopal Coale, another bottom feeder, is aiding in the Cain campaign. Bit of a conflict of interest for Greta Van Sustern.

  • ihateliberals

    Herman cain has launched in to oblivion whether he did or didn’t do the things accused of as far as the women are concerned he did so he is done for. Romney can’t make a mistake like perry because Romney never says anything. The only reason Romney is stil in favor is because of the Republican Elites. Just like Bob dole back n the 1990′s. It didn’t matter what the people wanted the Party wanted Dole and now they want Romney. another losing formula. Obama has got to feel pretty good right now not only with the DNC on his side but the RNC as well. I pray to God that the public wil get off their duffs and vote for either Perry, Newt, or Bachman and put the rest of these bozo’s out of the runnning. Any one of the last three named would be better than the three Stooges and Obama.

  • usanovak

    Perry is done …. I can see the democrat TV ads of Perry’s “brain freeze.” Over and over and over.

    • izoneguy

      One man’s brain freeze?

      Or a whole country frozen in time due to democratic policies & regulations?

    • bzip

      Sorry that attack by dem’s won’t work. You haven’t seen the Messiah without his teleprompter have you:

      Obama lost without a teleprompter
      http://youtu.be/omHUsRTYFAU

      • Common_Cents

        It is an uneven playing field until we address it.

        The ‘oh yeah, look at obama’ stuff just won’t work for the millions of people who only get a headline or a sound byte for their information from the lame stream media.

        • bzip

          If that is the case than every single republican is toast because every single republican candidate has a serious problem and issue that can be played over and over again:

          From Cain’s GITMO Flap to Cain’s yelling at the report flap (Cain could also easily be portrayed as a lose cannon, losing his temper and stupid.

          In other words every single candidate has a real problem if you look throw your tunnel vision.

          Herman Cain Screams at Reporter at Right Online
          http://youtu.be/bFa6bz9jpEo

    • annie54

      if the Dums bring on “brain freeze” ads, there are enough actual footages of ‘bummer’s antics that they, more than likely, won’t even go there. Believe me.

  • http://www.periodictablet.com superamerican

    Democrats do not make mistakes only Republicans do.

    • center77

      but in the general election, its the record that’s matters, we nerd a candidate that has proved liberalism failed, now only if we had a candidate that governed a state that created half of the jobs in this country, and has stayed true to his beliefs, and can show a lot of diversity, and is all to human, Reagan like gaffes and all.

      • Common_Cents

        nt

      • Xasteius

        no text

  • explodinghead

    I have thought about the remaining choices and Perry is still my choice. I like his economic and energy plans,He has 10 years of record to examine as Governor. there are no skeletons in his closet and I trust him to do what he says he will.
    My 2nd choice Newt (but I doubt I could really vote for him if Perry had even a slim chance of winning the nomination.)
    My problems with Newt :Serial cheater, believes in government intervention to stop global warming, “draft boards for amnesty”,supported the individual mandate for health insurance,and Dede Scozzafava. He is clearly the smartest guy in the room, but also wants to be seen as the smartest guy in the room; so I’m not sure that he won’t get back on the sofa with the Dems if he thinks intellectually theirs is the smarter solution. Too pragmatic and willing to compromise. I’m not sure his infidelity baggage will let him win in the general.

    Cain: I don’t like the 9-9-9 plan, and he is woefully short on foreign policy or exective experience. I don’t like empowerment zones (pandering), he was quick to change 9-9-9 to 9-0-9 in Detroit, he doesn’t support school vouchers for private schools, he sounded shaky on the governments role in abortion, and he thinks affirmative action does not need to be repealed but maybe revisited. He really lost me when he decided to say he wouldn’t support Perry as the GOP nominee, (that’s as good as supporting Obama) and when he stated that he might vote for Obama in 2008 (if he thought Obama would cross the aisle). I researched his positions leading up to the 2004 senate race in Georgia and decided that I wasn’t convinced that he was a Conservative. Also, continuing to throw the Perry campaign under the bus without any evidence, when he wanted the benefit of the doubt himself on the sexual harrassment allegations.The harrassment thing will loom large in the general if he were to become the nominee and I think he would lose to Obama.
    The rest are also rans to me (some are great people, but no chance)with the exception of Romney, who will be the nominee if the Conservative block stays divided. If things stay as polarized as they are right now, then Romney by staying above the fray gets the nod, but I don’t think he can win in the general.

    • kamiller42

      Your thoughts on the race currently is exactly how I see it.

      I was about 50/50 on Cain for a while. I even tried to accept 999 somewhat, because I know there is no way he is going to be able to implement exactly and as simply as he says. He started to lose me for good when he began to lash out at Perry’s campaign with no evidence. Yet, when the same happens to him, an accusation lacking evidence, he cries foul. And, what did Perry ever do to him? He always calls him “likable” and brother. I don’t understand his Perry hate.

      It was better for him to throw suspicion at the democrat party, but it came too late. Better to make your real philosophical opponents look bad first rather than fellow Republicans.

      I would have been just as disturbed about his reaction had he attacked any other repub candidate. I know he wouldn’t cast blame on Romney of course. Cain is looking to get 2nd chair if he doesn’t get 1st. He’s all love on Romney.

      • cheetah2

        On Friday, both Block and Cain were again throwing baseless suspicions on the Perry team.

        http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/11/mark-block-i

  • cheetah2

    After the debate he made a beeline for the spin room to face the reporters with a few snappy responses ready to go.
    Anita Perry tells us that the next morning he was dressed and heading out the door by 5:30 Am.
    He faced reporters all day long, making no excuses, telling his message at every opportunity.
    He ended up with an appearance on David Letterman, reading his lines with grace, dignity, charm, and humor, not to mention great comedic timing.
    Here we see a man of courage and conviction, doing his flat out best to serve his country even when most people would have been discouraged enough to just give up.
    This is my first day posting comments on Red State.
    I am proud to be doing so in support of a fine human being like Governor Perry. Win or lose, he has my respect.

    • avagreen

      Quality recognizes quality (you and Perry).
      *thumbs up*

    • pttx333

      g

  • lizzie

    Game on! video interview with South Carolina Statesman after Veteran’s Day Parade:
    http://www.thestate.com/2011/11/11/2043198/video-rick-perry-interview-today.html#storylink=addthis

    Gingrich said Perry is very smart – watch this and see for yourself.

    Yes, Governor Perry is not just qualified, but has the courage, toughness, resiliency, and genuine leadership for America.

    BTW, Newsweek via Daily Beast on Perry’s “mistake”, maybe a “choke”:
    “…But in the case of the CNBC debate, it wasn

    • cheetah2

      I liked his response to questions about the gaffe. He did what he had to do for damage control, did it well, and now he’s moving on. I am ready for that too.
      He also said something about others dropping out of the race, “but I will still be here.”

  • bobguzzardi

    Rick Perry “gaffed” about three important issues and it would be well to focus on the substance of the gaffe rather than the embarrassment.

    Commerce? Obviously has useful pieces but, mainly, gives away taxpayer money to Corporatists.

    Cut the Commerce Department to Boost Real Business
    by Chris Edwards and Tad DeHaven
    We’re wasting billions subsidizing corporations that don’t need it

    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11233

  • joemc133

    and would often cringe at his bravado and swagger (feeling it unnecessary). I have to say, that Perry’s gaffe and response with humility has fine-tuned him in for me! This “November” Perry, is better than all the Perry’s I have seen previous. Reality is likely to put every candidate into their true colors. And frankly, Perry’s colors are still bright compared to the reality shading in for some others.

    • cheetah2

      I knew nothing of Governor Perry until he started his campaign. I have never seen the bravado and swagger at all. He has a unique personality. He does have the bright bold color as opposed to being pastel like Romney. But that is what we need.

      • pttx333

        a reply to joe before cheetah’s reply. Anywho (yeah, anywho), just another one of my little oopsydoodles this hour! ;-)

        cheetah: No, what I’ve always seen with Perry is John Wayne. It is a peacock or a smart alec that you see, it is just Rick Perry. Sorta like when some smarty-pants reporter asked W about his “swagger” – he said, “In Texas, we call it walkin’. ” And he was right!

        The post below that should’ve been a reply, contains a beautiful story about Perry. Please read if you can.

  • pttx333

    but that isn’t a “swagger” or “bravado” that I see as anything other than Texan. It is normal here, and doesn’t mean that he’s a blowhard or know-it-all or anything even similar. He is one of the finest people around, and certainly in the political world. He is a one-in-a-million type – a “chosen one” that I see. And I’ve watched him and voted for him for years.

    Here is a precious story that no one ever read widespread – I wasn’t even aware of it until retire05 posted it earlier. This should fill you in a little more just what an honorable, decent man Perry is. I can’t read it without crying!

    http://www.burkslaw.blogspot.com/2010/02/haskell.html

    • cheetah2

      It’s a great story and just one of many I am sure. A man who loves his country loves her soldiers.

      • pttx333

        story. Only a true MAN would ever do that. The poor father, I cannot even imagine his pain – and don’t want to. Just the thought of losing either my son or daughter is unbearable/unthinkable.

        You know what else? A few years ago, I was at a courthouse rally in a small central Texas town where Anita Perry came. As she was doing the meet and greet portion after speaking, we started talking. When security tried to move her along and she waved them away saying “I’m not finished here.” We continue to speak for a few minutes more. She is the sweetest, kindest, loveliest LADY (key word) and she LISTENED to me and asked me questions. As a couple, they would return dignity, honor and protocol to OUR White House that has been destroyed by the current occupants!

    • acat

      this story reveals more of Perry’s character than the remaining debates possibly could.

      Mew

      • pttx333

        prior to retire05′s posting of it. I feel there are so many, many more stories about him just like that one. That is the man he is, that I KNOW him to be. I know folks think I’m nuts, though I don’t give a really big rip, but I KNOW him, have lived under his leadership. Okay, I confess, I’m biased, but if I didn’t like him, I would say that, too. I truly believe Perry is a one-in-a-million type of guy … you don’t find them just anywhere, and not all come to the forefront. Coming from Paint Creek, Texas, and traveling down this road is quite a feat. None of this stuff of Dad’s money, influence, etc., no silver spoon, no anything. Just him and his wonderful, beautiful wife – a true LADY. No one will pop their buttons more than me if they are the ones to reside at 1600 come Jan. 2013!

        I know you haven’t declared, at least to my knowledge, your candidate and I’m truly not trying to foist Perry off on you. In fact, I don’t want to do that to anyone – people will choose who they choose. I’m just the Clarion for Perry for whoever wants to read my paper. ;-) It is just that I’ve been so bowled over all these years, that I’m amazed that folks can’t see what I see. And, no, I don’t agree with him all the time, but I’m happy with the probably 98% that I do. That’s a damn good percentage in anybody’s book.

        So glad you enjoyed that story, cat. I still can’t think of it without becoming weepy. It is one of the sweetest stories I’ve ever read about anyone. Can you imagine Mittens doing that? HA What a joke! Wouldn’t even let his dog ride in his vehicle and tied him to the top of it. Monster!

        Sorry, I’m blabbering again. Thanks, cat, for all you do for the rest of us. Your funny posts, sharp wit and good humor are appreciated by me!

        • acat

          at this point, I like Perry for the GOP nominee.

          He’s not a perfect fit for me, I’d prefer someone a bit more pro-education, but of those who are in the race, he’s the best qualified.

          More years as a governor and of a larger State than the rest.
          Better record of business growth than the rest.
          More consistent on abortion and border control.
          Weaker on large-business, but better on small-business.*

          I’d rather someone who is a little less blatantly religious, I expect that could hurt Perry outside the South, but I recognize that the primary has to be won first.

          My ideal ticket right now is Perry/Gingrich – the former Speaker of the House certainly has a clue on how the Senate functions as well as a deep address book, and as veep would be able to dig into every agency, not just one or two. Perry has the youth and charisma needed to hold the nation together as we wind down our decades-long experiment with socialism.

          I’d like someone who’s a bit more media-savvy, but .. that’s a skill and can be learned… I hope.

          If Cain hadn’t fouled up on handling the harassment issues so badly, he’d still be my #2 pick, as it is I probably have to go with Gingrich, with Johnson as #3.

          Mew

          * What, you don’t think a ranch is a small business? It has inventory, employees, taxes, regulations … it’s a mom-and-pop, just not on a city street corner.

          • pttx333

            anything of religion from him. We know his beliefs, but he isn’t a stick-in-the-mud about it or expects anyone to follow in his steps. He just quietly goes about his own business and that is that, and as it should be. Hey, anyone who plays drums with ZZ Top can’t be all that bad! HA He also plays piano, Beethoven no less. Surprises abound!

            As for education, he is strong on education here. I know you’ve heard that he’s gutting the schools here, etc. – not true. The districts have had to cut back because they’ve built all these Taj Mahals for the little darlings – you wouldn’t believe some of our schools. Way over the top outrageous. But that is the districts for you. Of course, that is in the cities – the small towns are very conservative as a general rule.

            Anyway, cat, thanks for visitng with me!

          • acat

            I recall a referendum, must have been 20 years ago, to build a swimming pool for one of the suburban high schools.

            Lots of local history got dredged up in the fight, including the fact that the school had previously had a swimming pool, and a decent swim team to go with it, back in the ’60s, but it had been filled in for lack of money to maintain it.

            The school got their pool, but with a stipulation that it’s open to the suburb-sponsored youth teams, not just for school use. (wider tax base to support the pool that way.. we’ll see how it goes during this downturn)

            Mew

          • pttx333

            didn’t have a/c in the schools, yet i don’t recall ever passing out and hauled off in an ambulance – we opened the windows and had fans. (This was in a small West Texas town where I received one helluva education – very superior to anything of today.) A swimming pool? Are ya kidding? That would never have been dreamed of. We had a community pool and bunches of stock tanks out on the ranches – didn’t need pools at school. Yet we had the finest teachers in the nation – ones who were dedicated – we loved them and they loved us back and they even worked with us in their off hours. How’s that? There was no union (thank heavens), no teachers whined or marched.

            Then there are all of the hangers on in the schools. We had ONE principal and he had a small staff. There were no counselors at the ready to assist us in grief-stricken times. When there would be a tragedy, the whole community was a giant support group. There were strict rules, and we abided by them. No arguing, no filing lawsuits. That would have been so terible that you would have been an outcast in the town.

            So here’s one gal who would personally take down the NEA and all of the outlying unions. Our entire education system, all of it, needs to be dismantled and rebuilt – period. Difference being, I would put just my high school diploma up against any BA (maybe even an MBA) from today.

            Sad, isn’t it.

          • acat

            none of ‘em have a thing to do with edumacating children.

            It may cause an uptick in unemployment, but .. this cat’s view is that, while there need to be nationally recognized standards in education – so that our diplomas mean we both met certain criteria – it should be up to the local population to manage the meeting (or exceeding) of those standards. Period.

            Does the phrase “new math” strike terror into your heart? (just a personal favourite example of how completely wrong the education gurus can get it – to teach “new math” start by teaching kids to count to 32 on one hand…. or better, to use an abacus)

            Mew

          • pttx333

            children! That is why I get violently ill when I hear the libs use the excuse “But its for the children.” I cannot use the words I would like to use, but you get the general idea of what I think.

            I agree with cat’s view, all the way down the line. Oh, yeah, I remember new math – it began when my kids were in school. I taught them MY way when we were at home, so they knew the difference. Hells bells, I couldn’t even work that stuff, and I was a whiz in math. (HA, though today I couldn’t do an algebra problem if I were put before a firing squad! Never used it in real life.) It seems that so much of their school work consisted of the sorriest “teaching” I had ever seen, so they were taught at home “Mama’s” way. Never did get a paycheck, though. LOL

            There are scores of people to hang from the nearest tree, but the ones I blame the most are the parents themselves. And, I’m going to say this cuz I CAN, it began the long slippery slope slide to destruction with the feminists! There, I said it and I’m proud of myself! The only thing I agree with them on is the equal pay for equal work – period. Never wanted to be a man, not built like a man, I played with dolls growing up and am quite a sissy. BUT I took care of my family (still do to the extent that I can), my kids never came home to an empty house and never went off to school without a hot breakfast. That was my JOB, and I did it because I wanted to and wish I could do it again. If they were in any activities, I was there – even at the practices. Why? Because that is where I wanted to be – and they talk about it to this very day. Now, what did I get out of the deal? Two wonderful, conservative, loving, kind children who have carried on the tradition with their children. Are we all perfect? Not by a long shot, but by gory, we’ll stand tall with the best of ‘em.

            Our whole world, our culture, our society has taken a horrible and drastic turn, and I despise it. I rant against the uncivil, rude, entitlement mindset that we have today. But I’m just this little voice in the forest – it takes an army of us, and I have glimmers of hope that we can DO IT! It begins at home, in our local communities, etc. And number one thing is the children – they ARE our future.

            Thank you, oh Wise One. You’re the bestest.

  • cheetah2

    I can’t wait!

    • izoneguy

      Are dreaming of the day that Obama will be called “former” President.

  • ericblair00

    Barack Obama ran for president in 2008 based in part on the promise that he would restore America

    • acat

      that you’re not a conservative.

      I would point out that, with any poll, it’s important to look at how it was conducted, who was questioned, what the questions were, etc.

      Polls such as these often skew based on economic factors, and as yo may have noticed, the economic times in 2008 were significantly different than those of 2011.

      China’s now in an economic meltdown of their own making, Europe is on the cusp of the Euro imploding, and Obama is getting credit for the U.S. free-market economy not taking *as badly* as their respective managed economies.

      In short, this has far less to do with Obama’s apology tour and more to do with the nature of the respective economies.

      Mew

      • gekster

        Looks like I was right.

        • gekster

          ntntntntnt

          • ericblair00

            I completely agree that polling results are largely overdetermined.

            Is it your contention that the US is more popular today under Obama or under Bush? Just curious.

            And Gekster, you really should embrace differing opinions. If nothing else it helps clarify your own ideas.

          • acat

            I find popularity contests such as American Idol amusing, but not having any particular depth.

            Why should I give blame or credit to the President – whoever he or she may happen to be – based on the findings of such a poll?

            A much more useful metric of popularity, one that’s been consistent regardless of these polls you seem fascinated with, are the number of immigrants coming to the U.S. When that changes significantly, I’ll believe our “popularity” has been affected.

            Mew

          • ericblair00

            That’s a fine position if you reject the validity of all global polling. I would regard polls as suspect, but I think it would be hard to argue that the US is less popular today than it was under Bush. Whether or not one cares about global opinion is another matter entirely.

          • acat

            Difference between ham and eggs, the chicken is involved (answers a telephone question) but the pig is committed (votes with its’ feet) …

            That said, I do not confuse being “liked” with being “respected”.

            Everyone “likes” the guy at the bar who keeps buying everyone rounds. Nobody “respects” him when he runs out of money. Surely you’ve seen this scene play out.

            Mew

  • avagreen

    ^^