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Christians Now Considered Unfit For Foster Parenting

From the diaries by Jeff

Citing your values to overturn your values; that’s precisely what a court in the UK has done. They’ve cited the values that the country was founded on — Judeo-Christian ones — to rule against holding to those values.

There is no place in British law for Christian beliefs, despite this country’s long history of religious observance and the traditions of the established Church, two High Court judges said on Monday.

Lord Justice Munby and Mr Justice Beatson made the remarks when ruling on the case of a Christian couple who were told that they could not be foster carers because of their view that homosexuality is wrong.

The judges underlined that, in the case of fostering arrangements at least, the right of homosexuals to equality “should take precedence” over the right of Christians to manifest their beliefs and moral values.

In a ruling with potentially wide-ranging implications, the judges said Britain was a “largely secular”, multi-cultural country in which the laws of the realm “do not include Christianity”.

Is Britain’s government “largely secular”? Yes, it is, as are all Western democracies. Our own founding fathers in the US did not set up a theocracy. But this by no means suggests that the government should take no position that happens to coincide with a religious view. Laws in our country against murder, theft and extortion are rooted in Christian morality; the Biblical ideas of the intrinsic value of each human being, and the values of justice and fairness. Further, we have death penalties, when we do have them, for only the worst offenders, and for the same reasons.

While other countries may have similar laws, this is more than a law issue. Our culture itself was shaped by these same Judeo-Christian values. I’ll make the obligatory disclaimer that it has been implemented by fallible human beings, and it’s not always been in a manner consistent with itself. Still, this foundation has produced the freest, wealthiest, healthiest and, yes, most tolerant countries in history. Millions of immigrants and refugees are trying to get into Western democracies all the time because of the results of holding to those values.

In fact, the judges unwittingly note this foundation in their ruling.

“Although historically this country is part of the Christian West, and although it has an established church which is Christian, there have been enormous changes in the social and religious life of our country over the last century,” they said.

It was a “paradox” that society has become simultaneously both increasingly secular and increasingly diverse in religious affiliation, they said.

“We sit as secular judges serving a multicultural community of many faiths. We are sworn (we quote the judicial oath) to ‘do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this realm, without fear or favour, affection or ill will’.”

The irony is clear. These judges are citing an oath, that has been proscribed by the government influenced by the Judeo-Christian culture, to rule against people exercising their Judeo-Christian beliefs. You won’t find an oath like this in countries where you can be persecuted for believing the “wrong” religion. This value of fairness to all, regardless of who they are, is thanks to, for the most part, the Biblical beliefs of the Johns family, the ones trying to become foster parents.

Is it, therefore, “fair” to only allow people with the right beliefs and religious affiliation, approved by the government, to become foster parents? Will the court make the same ruling for Muslims and Jews who feel the same way? Apparently, society’s shifting standards win out over a basic, fundamental right of freedom of religion.

However, when fostering regulations were taken into account, “the equality provisions concerning sexual orientation should take precedence” over religious rights, they said.

And thus, the more homosexuals, or any group with a protected status, can convince governments that they must have special rights to override basic human rights, the more the foundation is chipped away; the very foundation that made this society what it is today, with our without an established Church.

Some Anglican church officials say essentially the same thing.

Speaking personally, Canon Dr Chris Sugden, the executive secretary of Anglican Mainstream, said the judges were wrong to say religion was a matter of private individuals’ beliefs.

“They are treating religion like Richard Dawkins does, as if Christian faith was on a parallel with Melanesian frog worship,” he said.

“The judgment asserts that there is no hierarchy of rights, but itself implies there is one in which the right to practise one’s religion is subordinated to the secular assumptions about equality.”

Gays use to say that they didn’t want special rights, just equal rights. This is another example of special rights that cut to the very core of the free societies they live in. This is a huge step in the wrong direction.

Doug Payton blogs at Considerettes.

COMMENTS

  • 1689

    “There is no place in British law for Christian beliefs.”

    Wow. This is the ultimate statement of the arrogant secular-liberal statist — one who is willingly uninformed about the history of Western Civilization and Christianity’s contribution to it, or one intentionally disregards it to obtain the ruling & result that they want. It certainly suggests that religion cannot ever inform any legislators’ moral value that is put into law. Wow.

    We’re in deep, deep trouble if this idea ever gains widespread traction. Christianity is the original source for the idea of having a government with limited powers. It’s inherent in the Bible: “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s and unto God the things that are God’s.” (Book of Matthew 21:21; Mark 12:17). (See Dinesh D’Souza, “What’s So Great About Christianity”) And that idea took 1200 years to take root until it finally appeared in the Magna Carta.

    Christianity is the original source for the idea that every person’s life, no matter how lowly their station or status, is deserving of respect & dignity; and that the government cannot oppress or enslave them and that everyone has freedom of conscience. For example: “Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” (Matthew 25:40) (Dinesh, again)

    What fools some people are.

  • qurys

    Should you find this ruling akin to “parenting advice from the bench”..I think that Thomas Beckett was beheaded for something akin to going against the monarchy and the wishes of the king which were opposed to then “established church”. So this is not new in England. Just waiting for HRH Elizabeth to weigh in. Parenting is, after all, a choice…..or so pro-abortion activists tell us. Foster parenting is a choice. So is natural parenting. If the government tells me that I have to teach my children that Allah is God or that there was no Messiah……I will tell the government what they can do with their doctrine. It is also reminiscent of the 1960′s, when parents decided not to teach any religion or moral values to their children and just let them “choose” their religion for themselves when they were adults. BTW…those “children” are now the adults running our respective countries.

  • lightfootletters

    The judges underlined that, in the case of fostering arrangements at least, the right of homosexuals to equality ?should take precedence? over the right of Christians (to equality) to manifest their beliefs and moral values.” Redstate. The judges are violating their own concepts of equality. Quote of my own; “It is never acceptable to enhance one persons rights (or privilege) by restricting another persons rights (or privilege).” Lightfoot

  • Nevile

    This is why, though I am a dual citizen (American and British) I choose to live in and identify with, the Unite States of America.

    The British High Court’s ruling would have been found to be discriminatory and unconstitutional here in the USA.

    Brits are masters of the euphemism. When they say “secular society” they mean a society of atheists. Britain has no constitution, except for the Magna Carta, which has been expanded over the centuries through the rule of Common Law and changing interpretation, to allegedly cover everyone. As such, it mutates to accomodate the changing makeup of their society, which results in a rule of law that panders to the current beliefs of the intellectual elite on a given day.

    By contrast, our Constitution has the weight of Statutory Law, and is not so easily invalidated. It is our strength and our salvation. Cherish it.

    • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

      and something to keep in mind the next time some lamester like Ezra Klien claims documents over 100 years old have no meaning int he modern context.

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  • bk

    I’ve always thought that judges who make such rulings should also be ready to void any federal union contract that includes premium pay for working Sundays or on Christmas. If we’re going to make everything covered by the government purely secular, then all government offices should be open on Sunday with no extra pay involved, correct?

  • http://www.thepaytons.org/essays/considerettes/ dpayton

    But that would require internal consistency, which I don’t think these judges have. :)

  • earlgrey
  • Common_Cents

    Remember they look at everything as means to an end.

    Another example is abortion vs. homicide.

    How can it be legal for a pregnant woman to abort and on the other hand someone being charged for double homicide when they kill a pregnant woman? If it is a bunch of cells in one case wouldn’t it be a bunch of cells in the other? If it is life in one case, why wouldn’t it be life in the other?

  • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

    The larger question is whether or not the court considers Christians to be fit for parenting at all. If Christians cannot be foster parents because of their views on homosexuality, then how can the court and the state view them as acceptable parents for their own children.

    If opposition to homosexuality is a hate crime and the teaching of that belief is simply to perpetuate hate into the next generation, then should Christians be allowed to raise their own children? Should they be allowed to have children?

    While the very questions themselves are scary, these are legitimate questions that come from the ruling.

  • runner12

    If I was in the UK, I would be raising heck over this decision. I know they are more of a socialist-democracy, but they do have freedom of religion. Doesn’t this violate that clause?

    I just do not see how they are going to get away with this. I am not certain how the British court system works, but could they appeal the ruling?

  • ohtimtim

    is not based upon union contracts; It is a natural extrapolation of the Constitutional requirement that the President of the U.S. could not sign any orders or legislation on Sunday. The founding fathers were practicing Christians, they did not believe in working on Sunday. Therefore, no government offices were open on Sunday. If fact many government buildings such as the Capitol and the Treasury were used as churches on Sunday’s

  • goodforall

    Just a sign of the times in which we live. You have to wonder how long we have.

  • edintexas

    I guess the semi-independent Postal Service would qualify, for those are the only Federal employees allowed to bargain for pay and benefits.

    Let’s don’t make the mistake of including Federal employees with “government employees” when it comes to “bargaining rights”. If we do, we’ll undercut Governor Walker’s comeback to Dear Leader where he pointed out that Obama surely knows that the Feds can’t bargain over wages and benefits and he’s proposing an amount for health insurance which is half of that which the Feds pay.

    Just as with the frequently confused programs Medicare (tied to Social Security eligibility) and Medicaid (Welfare program), we need to be careful to make accurate statements. Making erroneous statements (of alleged fact) can lead to making the wrong point, or confusing people about what we really mean.

  • Getting_Back_to_Basics

    Putting aside the issue of homosexuality, the context of the ruling raises a question about values in general for a foster parent. Would a foster parent be allowed to require the foster child to attend church on Sundays? At what age would the child be allowed to “opt out” of the family going to church, 5, 10, 15? And what of the expense of babysitting if the 10 year old opted out of going to church with the family? This also raises a question I do not know the answer to, do State laws allow a foster family to take or require the foster child to go to church with the rest of the family?

  • gazinya

    “They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more.” Ephesians 4 (18-19)

  • bk

    Similarly, should foster kids only be allowed to go to public schools?

  • geah

    stop Muslims from foster care, they stone gays, do they not?

  • littlehouse18

    Don’t they have Shariah courts? Some religions are more equal than others.

  • pastisprolog

    As there are already more than one sitting U.S. Supreme Court Justice who believes that rulings by international courts are valid precedents and may/can/should be followed when interpreting the constitutionality of American laws, it is only a matter of time until this ruling is cited in an opinion. How long until it is a majority decision?

    The danger is that, over enough time into the future, progressive Presidents and progressive Senates will appoint enough progressive justices to impose this sort of ruling on us. At some point, they may even rule that Christianity has no public place in America, the way open homosexuality once had no place in public. Will they eventually rule Christianity has no private place in America, as homosexuality once didn’t?

    This must be stopped!

  • ltnowis

    of the Church of England would no doubt be surprised to learn that the laws of the nation don’t include Christianity. The Supreme Governor is, of course, Queen Elizabeth II.

  • melbedewy

    The Western world is headed for a genocidal ant-Christian pogrom just like the progressives of the “Spanish Republic” waged in 1939.

  • betty0224

    Now does anybody think that they would make the same ruling if it was a muslim couple? They have so much concern for christian views about homosexuality…. Would they show the same level of concern about Islam’s abysmall treatment of women …or the brutally oppresive nature of Sharia Law, particularly for women. Do the rights of women take precedence over the muslim belief of sharia?…or how concern for little boys who might be encouraged later on to engage in muslim jihad?

    …Im guessing not HYPOCRITES.

    I hope this couple appeals this…..if that is allowed over there.

  • renny

    on the failure of multiculturalism to protect real liberalism: the right to free speech and expression (choice), the right to religious freedom, the right to assemble peaceably, and the right to publish.

    All the rest, racism, blah blah are secondary social constructs brewed up in the cauldrons of Marxist poison. Add an eye of newt and get anti-Christian rulings but pro-Shariah marriage laws.

    Britain seriously needs to review this ruling and the judges who made them.

  • http://1magpiecollective.blogspot.com mommymagpie

    once a woman has a physician’s confirmation that she is pregnant, one more person is added to the number of people in the household, for the purpose of figuring the amount of food stamp or other assistance program benefits……..BUT due to loopholes in our state law, that same woman is also permitted to abort that child for just about any reason, on the state’s dime.

  • Menlo

    This is the norm in the British government. They have long had a de facto prohibition on parents, particularly Christian parents, raising children. They’d take children away from biological parents for their Christian beliefs; why should this be a shock?

    From what I’ve read on this site, I wonder if people are simply stuck in a vision of England 20-30 years ago. I’ve said before that I’ll take any other country in Europe over England any day. I’ve also put it on par with Iran in terms of being a just and fair nation (based on a whole history of things I don’t have time to go into here). I would not set foot in that vile place if you paid me a million dollars!

  • davesinsanantonio

    concern about Islam’s abysmal treatment of homosexuals. Homosexuals are murdered by the state in Iran and Saudi Arabia. Would they allow Muslim couples to be foster parents?
    Well, there is no internal consistency in the “logic” of the Left, And, that is because there is no real “logic” of the Left, since they refuse to let facts influence their beliefs.
    Also, they are “pro” cultural diversity. Except where Christianity is concerned. So, they will probably rule that Muslims have a right to be foster parents, but Christians do not. They seem to hate Christians so much that they will see no inconsistency in two such rulings, and will defend both of them to great lengths.
    Welcome to the Last Days! This is the kind of thing that has been prophecied will happen.

  • kpbenware

    Because they do have shariah courts there, I would imagine that adoptions handled through those courts would just be rubber stamped by the government courts, allowing the moslems to continue to act as they please, unabated. The secular courts would not have to use the same argument against an Islamic couple seeking an adoption or fostering children.

    In our country, the courts wouyld be going out on a limb to rule against Christian families seeking foster children or adoptees, but as our society continues to erode into a politically correct, secular quagmire that is pro humanist and anti-Judeo-Christian, we should expect to eventually see the same thing become widespread here.

  • kpbenware

    Because they do have shariah courts there, I would imagine that adoptions handled through those courts would just be rubber stamped by the government courts, allowing the moslems to continue to act as they please, unabated. The secular courts would not have to use the same argument against an Islamic couple seeking an adoption or fostering children.

    In our country, the courts would be going out on a limb to rule against Christian families seeking foster children or adoptees, but as our society continues to erode into a politically correct, secular quagmire that is pro humanist and anti-Judeo-Christian, we should expect to eventually see the same thing become widespread here.

  • napensnake

    I don’t remember a Constitutional requirement that the President not sign orders or legislation on Sunday. Could you please reference that for me?

    I believe there may well have been a cultural prohibition but I can find no constitutional provision.

    (For clarification: I am a strong believer in limited government, that our laws are based on Judeo-Christian teachings, and that the Constitution is the supreme law in our form of government. I don’t approve of ‘big government’ people interpreting the Constitution to allow them to do whatever they wish but, on the other hand, we must make sure that we don’t quote or interpret incorrectly either.)

  • ohtimtim

    ” If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.”
    The original intent was that no one was to work on “the Lord’s Day”, although in today’s political climate where the original intent is ignored everyday, it has probably already been ignored.

  • napensnake

    Bullies beat up those who don’t fight back. Christians know that if they fight back, they will be vilified in the press. Moslems will fight back and not be concerned about their media coverage.

    Therefore, it is easy to ‘beat up’ Christians but Moslems are scary and mean.

  • nhbuckeye

    exonerate a so-called “honor killing” due to Shariah law? It wouldn’t surprise me if they did. So in that case justice for murder would be subservient to religious freedom. Secular humanism is based on the shifting sands of situational ethics rather than on the stone pillars of God-given morality. Therefore, their conclusions will not stand scrutiny. Anyone who challenges these “ethics” is deemed bigoted, intolerant, backward, and uneducated. Self-righteousness rather than self-examination and self-rule rather than humility in the face of the Creator of the Universe are forces that are destroying our freedom. In their dogmatic push toward “utopia”, they blind themselves to the reality of the human condition. The very idea of sin means that man has to submit to God, and so rather than do that they destroy the idea of sin. Sin is graduated, “I’m not perfect but I’m not Hitler either. I’m good enough. I deserve happiness.” These tales we tell ourselves are what doom human beings family after family, society after society, throughout the history of time.

  • jbinvirginia

    Visit www.parentalrights.org and sign the petition, and prepare to contact your members of Congress.

    On a side note, my two previous marriages (both when young and, well, more liberal-minded) have essentially made me an unfit person to foster or adopt a child…even though my third, and final, marriage was made in Heaven and stronger than most of my friends’ marriages they continue to suffer through. While I’m not proud of my actions and divorces, I do believe in redemption through my Lord, and I so wish I could bring a parentless child into my home to love. What’s worse? No parents, or parents with past divorces or parents with Biblical beliefs? Depends on who you ask, I guess.

  • robobbob

    Do not think giving in to same sex marriage is the end of it. It is just another step that eventually leads to this story, and others.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1304333/Catholic-charity-loses-appeal-gay-adoption.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350764/Second-gay-couple-sue-B-amp-B-turned-away-owner-said-convictions-didnt-allow-men-share-bed.html

    Governments are full of promises about freedom of religion, and speech as long as you don’t try to practice it.
    Today, the issue is homosexuals. Tomorrow expect the same treatment of any other group that opposes the left ideas.
    Look to Europe to see what the left plans for here.

  • warrior300

    We recently had a Marxist president put two lesbian, Marxist judges on the U.S. Supreme Court. Of course, the alliance between Marxism and Islam is a convenient construct for both sides. The enemy of my enemy (Christianity) is my friend. This President is out to destroy and semblance of Christian values remaining as a mainstay of our society.

    I also wonder if there is not a Freudian undercurrent to the moral anarchy of Marxism looking for its opposite in the Shari of Islam, since modern day Christians are luke-warm at best, and so undermined by their marriage to the values of the world. “We are in the world, but not of the world” has generally not described the institutional church throughout its history.

  • flakymd

    For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. Romans 1:26-27

  • edintexas

    That would be discrimination. Of course in a “Multi-Culti” society Christians can’t be discriminated against, so no foul there.

  • Michael Dugas

    when they are making rulings based on the acceptability of homosexuality.
    That being said, this ruling will leave a whole bunch of people, people of many faiths, from participating in adoption and foster care.
    And this is supposed to be about what’s best for the kids?
    They just removed from the rolls a whole lot of people who would be interested in adoption or fostering children in need. Nice going.

  • 1689

    My understanding is that Great Britain does not have a separate “constitution” that contains primary principles that the parliament’s later-enacted laws cannot violate. Their parliament simply passes statutes. And the usual rule of statutory construction for judges (at least here in the US) is that later laws take priority over & modify earlier ones (because the later expression of the legislature’s intent must control).

    So let’s reasonably assume that centuries ago, say in the reign of Elizabeth, they passed a law guaranteeing freedom of religion. And 20 years ago they pass a law banning discrimination against gays. Some court could easily end up concluding the later statute controls over the earlier one; and that religious ideas on gay morality would be illegal. The court in Great Britain may have used this mode of reasoning — or some other one.

    But the ruling does show the superiority of having a separate bona fide constitution, like the United States Constitution — one where having freedom of religion (& thus conscience & morality) is an enshrined value that in cannot be violated. Of course 5 attorneys sitting on the Supreme Court may issue a decision full of, yes, lies that hold otherwise. But at least “Freedom of Religion” is right there on paper in the Bill of Rights for all us ordinary average Joes to read, understand, and know right away when the attorneys or the government is taking away our God-given natural rights.

  • bk

    If nothing else, there were all sorts of stimulus dollars that went to union-only projects, correct? How about block grants and various other grants? If it’s US taxpayer dollars going to pay someone directly or indirectly under a union contract that treats Sundays differently, then doesn’t it violate “the wall”?

  • flakymd

    to REPLACE Christian parents in raising the child – that is coming soon to America, especially since our high courts have become so enamored with international law. We are on our way to seeing children removed from their own homes by the state, as a children’s rights issue. Any action is justifiable, when someone’s contrived rights are being violated.

  • runner12

    Thanks for the information.

    Thank the Lord for our Founding Fathers who were courageous enough to take on the British in the American Revolution and intelligent enough to write the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

  • awunsch

    country used to refer to one that does not have a national relligion and/or one that respects many religions without forcing them on the citizens. Our couintry’s constitution and Law is based on Judeo-Christian principles and the Natural Law or God’s law or Natures Law as some of the Founding Fathers might say. Too many judges today are not schooled in the Natural law. Apparently today’s law schools teach how to get around a law rather than teach the spirit and basis for the law. Maybe that’s why Pres Obama considers the Constitution an impediment (as interpreted by the Supreme Court) rather than allowing the federal gov’t to do more. Homosexual behavior is not consistent with Natural Law or the Judeo-Christian principles.
    Also some Christian churches today have drifted away from the Judeo-Christian principles and, for example, support homosexual behavior. Thus Judges might argue on that basis that the UK court was consistent with Christian morals/principles.
    It is an unfortunate (and ultimately ignorant) slide of our Western Civilization down the slippery slope to chaos and destruction. This conflict with the homosexual community and the adoption business will end up with fewer adoptions by heterosexual couples and a further degradation of the family One possibility will be a move to get gov’t out of the adoption business so that Faith communities can provide adoption on their terms independent from gov’t heavy handedness.