No.

http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

…….to any national Republican campaign committee.

I know RedState is viewed by many elected officials and their staff.

To them, I say: Y’all need to wake up and wake up real quick-like.

This isn’t a game.

It’s our nation.

It’s our freedom.

You work for us.

bobojake

RedBeard

They need to be told NO directly.

writeblock

It’s too dumb to realize that politically it has gained ENORMOUSLY precisely by being the party of no. There is nothing wrong with saying, “Sorry, but if it’s the same old same old, we’re not interested.” Say it loudly and say it clearly. It will gain nothing by appearing at this theatrical event–except to give the left new hope to revive a bill that is anathema to most Americans.

writeblock

Republican egos were massaged by media attention at the retreat. Apparently our guys are too obtuse to realize they got their clocks cleaned in a lousy format by a demagoguing President. When are these guys going to learn? They shouldn’t be supporting players in a theatrical event designed to revive the health care bill.

discerningconservative

Couldn’t have said it better. If they are checking RS, I tell the leaders of the RNC, NRSC, NRCC, elected Republicans, et al… pull your heads out of your posterior ends, and listen to the conservatives awakening in America.

writeblock

Why? Because their letter to Emanuel was a long recital of grievances and lacked clarity. It was not a firm no that showed determination. It was a weak and waffling maybe. Boehner should have said clearly the bill must be scrapped first–thus placing the ball in Obama’s court. If the President insisted on his old bill, the matter would have ended there and the summit idea dropped. Instead the GOP is lending a veneer of bipartisanship to an event designed to revive the health care bill.

http://www.BTWsociety.org racvt

… the only thing of substance a politician does is vote “Yes” or “No.”

Everything … EVERYTHING…. boils down to that. what’s so scary about “No” when “Yes” is just plain wrong?

Democrats are the party of WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
Wrong to raise taxes (especially) at this time, wrong to enlarge government willy-nilly, and wrong to prevent say, health insurance companies from providing CHOICE to citizens across state lines.
Rep. Paul Ryan has a plan.. it’s time for Republicans to band together to say YES to his plan and demand to know why the Democrats say NO the common sense approach Republicans take. .

SG_Lominac

As Rush puts it, we should be at HELL NO.

tngal

Erick didn’t elude, but there’s a write up in Politico this morning indicating Gregg’s “reaching out”. Long story short, Lame Duck. And if he goes it’ll be easier for others to follow, Like Snowe.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/32814.html

http://itsaboutfreedom.proboards.com/index.cgi IronDioPriest

… to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: at this moment in history, when the very existence of this republic is teetering in the balance, threatened by infiltration at the highest level by a domestic Marxist enemy, the Republican party is the last available political solution to the threat.

Having to place our hope in such a vapid vessel should be enough to make us all clearly see the end of this republic in our mind’s eye, and do whatever it takes to make sure the Republican party does not stray at this crucial time.

For the GOP to lay down the gauntlet as they did, and then pick it up without a fight, reeks of the very kind of weakness that Republicans have become accustomed to. It is as if they are uncomfortable anywhere but sniveling at the feet of their Democrat masters, and desperately work to remain in their good graces.

It’s like battered wife syndrome – apologies to battered women everywhere who actually find the fortitude to stand up for themselves.

popster

I believe showing up is, in itself, a concession that should not be made. This egotist will not leave campaign mode. This is just another attempt to embarrass and ridicule.

writeblock

…is that this revives the bill. It gives bipartisan cover to a bill the public eyes with suspicion primarily because of a lack of bipartisanship and shading dealings behind closed doors. This show of bipartisan openness will change the dynamic of public perception–which will work in favor of its passage. Not good.

RedBeard

People need to realize that the problem with government is not that it can’t get anything done; it’s that it CAN get things done.

Dear Gubmint Person: Stop doing. Stop helping. Go away. Leave me alone.

tngal

What happened to these people? A couple of feet of snow and they forget the tea parties and marches of the summer? Is it cabin fever? If it is a lame duck like Gregg not sure what could be done to stop him, but if it is a larger band of ineptness rearing an ugly head there we need to make waves now and storm washington.

retail1

telling me and my sibblings not to be afraid to say NO if you thought something was wrong. To stand up for yourself and your beliefs. Be a leader, not a follower. Why can’t our leaders be leaders?

retail1

only had one cup of coffee this AM

http://itsaboutfreedom.proboards.com/index.cgi#general bigalsouth

Yeah, I know. The Republican Leadership just doesn’t like confrontation, while the Democrats thrive on it. The minute they accept the President’s terms for a the meeting, they have already lost. I have posted before: 1. Set your own meeting place, 2. Set the agenda 3. THEN invite B-HO.

Losers.

jackhammer

He is very fiscally responsible,a nd brings things across in a very straight forward and non confrontational way….he might be able to pull off making Bambi look like the fool he is.

I am for them taking it to TV,a nd then presenting the boatload of ideas and have Obama be the President of NO…

Don’t lead with Tort Reform…Lead with repeal of health insurance anti-trust exemption…..follow with across state lines….focus on people being able to keep THEIR insurance, even if they change jobs or move from state to state….put tort reform near the end, because that only rallies our base…

Get some Heritage and CATO people on the case developing the cleana dn neat talking points….test them on sample groups….put the winners at the front….be on the offense…and make Bambi say no….and explain why!

sarge324

the meeting is a farce.obama is losing ever where.he knows if he makes the republicans look like they dont want the health care the people will be on his side.that will never happen.republicans must be aware it is a trap.keep to your no vote and keep america safe from the socialist.

NeoKong

Obama is the one who needs that meeting. The GOP would be wise to listen to the base right now. Millions of people did not take to the streets screaming for compromise.
Nobody wants that bill and now is the time to stomp on it like it was spider. Even many Democrats want to see it die.

mbecker908

This will be a show trial that Joe Stalin would be proud of.

Obama’s already laid out the parameters, no starting over, a bill “along the lines” of what’s already there.

None of what you’ve suggested will get aired, won’t be on the agenda.

Better the Party of NO! than the Party of ReallyStupid.

edniceville

obtain and publish the names of those who have been identified as willing to cave on this. They need to be contacted directly and OFTEN until they understand we mean HELL NO! It is time for John Boehner and the rest of the GOP so-called leadership to stand up, “grow a pair” and use some BACKBONE for a change! If it is known that the President is not willing to discuss the more important changes the GOP wants to see, then, there is no point in meeting. They should then go straight to the nearest camera pool or microphone cluster and tell America EXACTLY what is going on! It has seemed over the last few days, that Boehner and the boys have begun to figure out that they actually do work for US! Now, it is time for them to show the world the radical agenda and unwillingness to compromise the other side really has!

Ausonius

Putzes! Mumsers! Schnooks! Schleppers! Schlemiels!

To the Republican leadership:

If you accept any propaganda meeting with BIG BRObama, to use those terms above to describe you would be an insult to fools, morons, idiots, etc. everywhere!

After all that has been seen, after all that has been heard, after all that has been proven, after all that has been written, why would there even be a whispered consideration of this nonsense?

Become the Party of NO DEFICITS!

Become the Party of NO SOCIALISM!

Become the Parrty of NO NATIONAL BANKRUPTCY!

Become the Party of NO SURRENDER!

Become the Party of PROSPERITY and FREEDOM!

Why is this so difficult? Why do you want Democrats to like you?
Do Not become the party of Sally Field!

dottiek

We want to hear NO! I support the person, the party that says NO!! Don’t go to a meeting that limits anyones ability to say NO AND offer alternatives! Agendas shape meetings . . . don’t go to a meeting that takes an alternate point of view off the table.

bs

The much-publicized ABC/WaPo poll that came out yesterday indicates that 63% of Americans want Congress to continue to find a way to pass a health care plan, including 56% of independents. Remember, they were the ones who were responsible for electing Brown in MA. It would be unwise to screw up the GOP’s progress towards capturing the independents.

So how do we do this? Offer strong conservative ideas – ones that we have been recommending for months: market-based changes to how health insurance is sold, changes to malpractice liability, etc. The fact of the matter is that the Dems won’t buy off on this stuff. But there is an opportunity to get GOP ideas out in the open, which they have not been to date.

Frankly, I think Obama has made a brilliant move by pushing for this. He has the GOP backed against the wall. The Dems have been cultivating the “obstructionist” narrative, and if we refuse to play, this strengthens it. I don’t think the independent voters appreciate this. And they are going to be critical to re-taking the House and Senate.

It is obvious that Americans don’t want the Democrats’ health care plan. But it also seems apparent that they also don’t want nothing. We should offer them a GOP-proposed, conservative solution. How that is done is the question. If the response to the Obama overture is carried out properly, it would not be viewed as “capitulation,” but as presenting a clear alternative to socialism.

RedBeard

Putzes, maybe, or so I have been told.

pamdale

No is exactly why the Teaparty is growing. Wake up, Republicans – smell the tea.

http://www.bloggybayou.com muckraker

http://www.bloggybayou.com/2010/02/how-democratic-health-bill-is-like.html

No, No, a thousand times no..

Cheers
Muckraker

RedBeard

But rather sad as well, to note that so many Americans are demanding a federal solution to a problem that isn’t the business of the federal government.

We may have no practical alternative, but the “conservative” solution at the federal level is still the wrong track.

jackhammer

I didn’t know he put all these pre-conditions on. I stopped reading any bambi news recently, because I find him so utterly boring…..

AceInTX

make it a matter of pride to oppose the left wing agenda of the President…saying no to a bad deal can be a good thing…so why not make sure people know you are saying no for the right reason!

Scope

is standing in the middle of the store isle screaming and crying because he wants something, the parents (the Republicans) don’t want to be seen as the meanies or abusers, they refuse to stand firm on NO, the spoiled child gets what he wants. The spoiled child now knows just how to manipulate the parents in the future. A firm NO now, and meaning it, teaches that spoiled child that his bad behavior won’t work now, or in the future, no matter what kind of dog and pony show he puts on. The parents (Republicans) earn respect from everyone, and, especially the spoiled child.

RealQuiet

An ABC News/Washington Post poll is about as reliable as a Democracy Corps or a Kos poll. The National Review had a look at the internals and the weighting was completely unrealistic toward Democrats and Independents. 23% GOP? Come on! It is crazy to me that the GOP is afraid of being labled the Party of No when a vast majority of Americans are against Obamacare and/or the current legislative bills that have been passed by the House and Senate. We want to start this all over. Caving would be flat out STOOOOOOOOOPID. No meeting unless Obama and the Democratic Congress agree to start over from square one and this is non-negotiable. The GOP has to remember that Obama and the Democratic Congress are desperate for political cover and need some sort of legislative victory very badly. Be the party of No and let them burn. If the want to go the reconciliation route, bring it. Tie up the Senate until the elections.

RedBeard

My message above was in reply to bs.

RealQuiet

Bobcat51

The Republicans had better wake and smell the coffee pretty quick and oppose 0bamacare.Just because0bama is slipping in the polls doesn’t mean the Republicans can take it for granted they are safe.

Every one of these limp wristed Republicans needs to know that if they cave to a most unpopular President and his unpopular take over of the country that they will be challenged at every opportunity by Conservatives.

Your seats are NOT safe, remember that and say NO.

chief1356

Have taken to giving directly to candidates eg marco rubio, doug hoffman,col west , scf, etc and then telling RSC and National Republican Party what i’m doing when they ask for donations> hope they get the message.

scubadiver49er

As long as the present Healthcare legislation is still on the table, this meeting with Barry must NOT take place!!! Dump this abomination NOW and start from scratch, or NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!! The “Bermuda Triangle” of Barry, Harry & Pelosi hasn’t listened to either us or the other side of the aisle on this. What makes us think that they are going to start now?

Scope

or are trying to fool all of us. Boehner and Cantor have been everywhere on the Radio, TV and in article after article calling this invite a dog and pony show, they want to start over on the legislation, they have good alternative ideas. I have not heard one of them say they will definitely not attend.

It’s the same with the Debt Commission. On Jan. 26, streiff posted a diary informing us that the vote on the Debt Commission failed in the Senate. Obama, in the SOTU address was expecting to tell everyone how great he is, and, that we now have another commission to tackle our debt. He instead had to revise his speech. He so very arrogantly said that the commission was not passed, but, that’s OK, he would do it by Executive Order (his words). Last week Gibbs said that he was very close to signing that Executive Order. Obama was told NO, but, he must have his way.

Yesterday there was an article at the Daily Radar claiming that “The Republican majority leader in the House, John Boehner, said on Tuesday that he is considering appointing Republicans for the Debt Commission.” Again, he and Cantor are saying that it is nothing more than a means of increasing taxes, yet, they are considering sending Republicans to share in the blame of increasing taxes, rather than following DeMint’s message, just STOP SPENDING. This is still another case where they need to just say NO, but, I’m not holding my breath.

buzzyboop

… from the Obama photo op.

Was listening to Jerry Doyle a couple nights ago on my way to dreamland. He wondered why not have some people attend, and those who did attend would have the cojones to delineate the conservative view of healthcare reform. By not attending, Doyle said that Republicans would appear weak and scared to face a debate, so to speak.

I’m not agreeing with Jerry’s position, just relaying it.

RealQuiet

Pelosi isn’t anywhere close to having the votes in the House to pass the Senate bill. They are trying to head fake the GOP into doing something silly. If the GOP stands firm and doesn’t go to the meeting unless Obama agrees to start over, healthcare is dead. There is no reason to help Democrats pass this stupid thing. My my, it didn’t take Obama long to shift the focus away from jobs back to health care did it?

towersd510

I say that the GOP should go on, but do it smartly. If they don’t show, Obama just makes the GOP look bad to the undecideds, in effect he can say, “See? I extended my hand and they batted it away.” The GOP can make their case of “No” more effectively by being in the room, viewed by a large number of independent and conservative voters. They need to have a few coherent debaters, like Judd Gregg and Paul Ryan, represent a coherent position, containing positive proposals, and presented in a coherent manner. The GOP MUST make it clear: 1) the current House and Senate bills are dead. Both sides must start over; 2) there are real and effective reforms that can be accomplished by eating this elephant one bite at a time, ie, not a mammoth comprehensive bill, but incremental reforms that will work; and, 3) not negotiable are tax increases and spending increases.

dogcatcher1

. . . from voting and donating to the Republican Party. I am now a political independent. I am putting the RNC on notice here and now that I will not give another red copper to the RNC or any other party fundraiser from this point on. In fact, for several months now I have been receiving phone calls from those same fundraisers. Their calls have gone unanswered. My contributions will go to the Republican candidates whom I know are conservative and to those new candidates who can show that they are true Conservatives. As my money goes, my vote will follow.

There are times in life when a parent has to say no to his children.
There are also times when politicians must say “no” and by saying “no” stand for their core values. This is that time.

You people in Washington will send me a clear message if you fall for this ploy by the President. STAY CLEAR! DON’T BUY INTO HIS TRAP!

conservative_faction

I want to see BHO in a room full of emtpy chairs and the sound of crickets in the background. This country demands that we stand firm and tell him no more, no way. The GOP needs to stiffen their spine, quit worrying about what CNN says, and do what the folks who elected them to their collective offices expect them to do. Shut this game, and it is a game, down now.

JadedByPolitics

that based on their weights that the 48/45 in favor of Republicans would actually be 55/45 in the REAL WORLD!

bs

Frankly, to me it makes perfect sense that independents would want some action. This is consistent with their behavior. I was not the least bit surprised to see that result, and I think that while the number may be a bit inflated, I suspect the overarching message is still accurate: independents want action, not just “no”.

And I have no disagreement with the “start it over” sentiment, and I suspect that independents would agree as well. The problem is not taking any action at all. The answer is “no”, but to make policy proposals (not necessarily actual legislation) that support our ideology and approach.

I suspect we’ll see more polls with similar results. Time will tell. But simply ignoring it because it’s the WaPo/ABC is unwise.

renny

Tell’em. 202-224/225-3121.

smitch61

Here is an idea: perhaps the party of No should explain to the American people exactly why they are the party of No. Explain to the electorate that do not pay attention to politics therefore educating them. The Democrat party always speak to these individuals, the least you can do is explain the difference.

We are the party of No because we do not believe the federal government is the answer to our happiness, or how we go about getting it. Government interference in our lives is not something we believe in… And while you are at it, explain to the electorate that “regulations” mean government control.

Furthermore, personally I do not care what the Democrats do.. that is their problem, I know what they stand for. I attended the tea parties because I did not want the GOP to assist the Democrats in ushering in socialized medicine or to continue to vote for ridiculous anti stimulus plans. I attend the protests to remind the GOP I am out here.. and frankly do not trust most of them. I have to remind them to stay the course. If it were not for the tea parties they would have gone along with just about anything… Grow a pair of gonads and explain to the people.

acat

Nothing to add.

Mew

acat

Which do you mean here?

Do you know what the internals of the poll you’re discussing are?

Do you know what the trend lines from similar prior polls show?

Is this one an outlier? Did they oversample Dems? Did they undersample Independents?

ABC/WaPo polls have historically had a skew, you know. Pointing that fact out is hardly “ignoring polls we don’t like”.

If you think the poll is right, that’s cool, but blanket statements are really not helpful.

Mew

smitch61

Just how much longer will the GOP allow themselves to be defined by the Democrat party and the media?

bs

rather than trying to deconstruct the poll.

Do *you* have any evidence to discredit it?

bs

Oversampling/undersampling is irrelevant. The portion I am referring to is focusing ON the independents. It doesn’t matter what their percentage is relative to the whole poll. The only question is whether the sample size of independents is sufficient to overcome any margins of error. It’s not the same as the oversampling/undersampling of D vs R vs I. I only care about the “I”.

acat

Which I said in my post.

So. What “issue at hand” do you want to discuss?

That there are good ways for Repubs to be “the party of no” ?
That what passes for leadership on the Repub side seem to be unable to understand that they’re being rolled?

Mew

acat

Oversampling/undersampling means that you have to look at the internals of the poll, correct the sample problem, and re-derive results.

If you’re just looking at independents, that’s great – but you also have to see what the questions are so you can know what the replies are, i.e. a far-left independent who thinks Obama hasn’t gone fast enough with socialism could be just as dissatisfied as a “birther”.

I would suggest that trusting ABC/WaPo (or any polling outfit, really) is dubious.

Mew

vrwcnut

Spot on. I post this somewhere almost every day: Article 1, Section 8.
If we can’t get the federal tiger back in that cage, nothing else will help.

marshmom

You hear that GOP???? Being the “Party of No” is the only thing that’s going to save you from having your rear ends handed to you as well in November. Tell Obama to GET LOST!!! We don’t want a compromise, we want a DO OVER!

minncon

Go to the conference, but let a couple of real conservatives speak for the people. It shouldn’t be that difficult to embarrass President Zero and point out that his closed-door, stiff-arm, Chicago tactics have led the country to this point. Deliver the stack of rejected or ignored Republican proposals to him ON CAMERA.

audax

Don’t become an Independent…Become a GOP precinct delegate and change the party from within. Be a precinct Captain, go to the District and State Convenvention. Get elected to the National Convention…run for GOP National Committeeman in your state….but going independent means you have NO NO NONE NOT A CHANCE of changing the party to what you want.

bs

That is the question. How do we say “no” without antagonizing those who believe we should not just sit on our hands and ignore what is perceived to be a problem.

And you’re right on the 2nd part as well. That’s harder. The only way I see to fix that is to appoint leaders who have two neurons to rub together.

bs

But as I’ve said before, I strongly suspect that the emotion voiced by the summary of the poll results is valid: independents desire action on health care. My assertion/theory is that if the GOP ignores this, we risk trashing the good will that we’ve earned thus far.

The_Gadfly

If it was Demint or somebody Reaganesque, I would disagree. Meeting and presenting ideas without yielding to The Big 0′s socialist agenda would be better than not meeting with him. But meeting with him and not doing that would be worse than being the party of No. McConnell simply wouldn’t be able to walk away from Reykjav?k.

Maggie_in_Indiana

and say No as clearly and definitely as possible without showing weakness. Say no to the very idea of keeping this monster and start over or there is nothing to talk about. I can hear the applause from the American people and the gasps from the far left.

samiran

Hear Hear!

And as much as true “Republicans” may disdain the ‘populist miscreant’ Tea Partiers, the GOP should keep in mind that moving to the center at a time like this will result in:
A) More (and stronger) Tea Party primary challenges.
B) More (and stronger) Tea Party general election spoilers.
C) A dramatic downswing in GOP fundraising.

Don’t blow it, you morons. You’ve got a *great* thing going, and it just fell into your lap. It’s the first time in decades that the GOP is *really* energized. Run with fiscal conservatism and steadfast support for libery, obstructing everything else.

The sad thing is that the above three points *will* lead to much stronger electoral position for the Democrats in November, because many conservatives, like myself, refuse to vote for the Dede Scoffazza’s of the world anymore.

We just don’t want socialist Republicans. Sorry to burst your bubble. Socialist Republicans win elections because they somehow convince the populace they aren’t socialist, not because American’s support socialism.

All that being said, I think there are some smart ways to “negotiate” with Obama, but it is all about image management. First of all, there is no strength in numbers. It’s stupid to put Obama on a podium in front of a group of Republican Congressmen, with all the camera’s pointed at Obama. Instead, propose townhall formats with Obama versus one strong Republican (Romney, Giuliani, or whoever else). It doesn’t need to be someone with their sights set on the presidency, either. It could be a senator, governor, representative, or anyone else prominent within the party. Or do a televised debate (one on one). Anything to suggest equal positions of power between the positions.

The other possibility, or my favorite strategy, would be for a new Republican (Reaganesque) leader to emerge, and simply try and bend Congress and the White House to his will through media campaigns, popular protest, and parliamentary movements.

Want some GOP porn? Imagine Reagan, in front of the Washington Monument, with 200,000 tea party protesters standing behind him, telling “President” Obama that we, the people of the US of A, will no longer put up with his dictorial rule; that we have our own economic plans, our own plans for health care (readily viewable on www.something.org), and that the Democrats can either negotiate with us to bring these plans into fruition, or they can refuse to do anything until we throw them out of office November.

Too many politicians think that the current balance of power in the House/Senate is relevant for the passage of bills, and nothing could really be further from the truth; popular sentiment managed through a few media-worthy leaders is *far* more effective than the stupid gamesmanship of the Harry Reids of the world. Right now, the timing ***could not be better***.

A charismatic GOP that can deliver a “bring down this wall” speech on the economy, in Washington, with a giant protest behind him, would set the world on fire. This is what 70+% of the US is yearning for right now. This is what independents thought they were getting when they voted in Obama. This is what the entire, economically failing Western World is praying for! The U.K., France, Italy, Germany, Canada, Japan, S. Korea, the whole of Eastern Europe!

Reagan dramatically reoriented the politics and economics of *the world* for 20+ years because he appeared during one of history’s darkest hours, and brought lasting peace, security, and prosperity to the majority of mankind. Mankind *is* at one of these junctures *right now*. The world-wide economy is failing. The nations of the West are slowly turning away from freedom. The nations of Eastern Europe feel betrayed; the democratic revolutionaries of Iran cry out to see the beacon of freedom in Washington.

Answer these calls, GOP, and the world will be your (our) oyster. There is every reason to believe that *every* state in the union can be turned red. You don’t have to look that far in the past, either.

Achance

for dealing with Lefties. Unfortunately, raising a child that isn’t spoiled is pretty much a lost skill in this Country. The parent – or politician – that acts like an adult, especially a male authority figure adult, is regarded as mean and scary. Comrade Obama has a toolkit ranging from “please help me help the People” to screaming, “You don’t love me; I want to go live with my dad.” The Republicans really don’t have much of toolkit that won’t simply scare Hell out of big swaths of the electorate that simply can’t bear to see a child denied anything it wants and certainly aren’t going to tolerate a child being disciplined.

lockedandloaded

and now he seeks to freeze it – just like Alinsky taught him to do.

Whether they go or not, the Republicans had better be prepared and show the resolve expected by the tea company. The deer-in-the-headlights look ain’t gonna cut it.

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Matthew 10:16

lockedandloaded

and now he seeks to freeze it – just like Alinsky taught him to do.

Whether they go or not, the Republicans had better be prepared and show the resolve expected by the tea company. The deer-in-the-headlights look ain’t gonna cut it.

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Matthew 10:16

Don T.

is right, Maggie. Smile and say politely, “No Mr. President, what you and the Democrats have proposed will NOT work and CANNOT go forward. We must start over. And here’s how….” Let’s hope the GOP can be smart about this. Pick a couple of sharp on their feet guys, Paul Ryan, Tom Price, from the House, Jim Demint and Tom Coburn from the Senate. Those guys won’t take BHO’s nonsense.

rec0n

Meet w/the President and the Dems, and deliver that message of “NO” personally, with conviction, and on camera. If they can do that and backup that NO by messaging the reasoning behind principles we’re all supposed to believe in, I’d be cool w/this meeting. And I think the majority would be, too.

But if we’re back to ‘improving’ the bill again by making more of the same debilitating compromises we’ve ‘achieved’ in the last few decades that have brought us to this mess, they gain us nothing. Nobody’s interested in a scrap or two thrown from the Democrats table. They’re failing their duty to the protect the country and Constitution and People – because they’re afraid the opponent will throw more stones?
Not good enough. If they can’t fight for that, they need to get the hell out of the way so someone else can. Go stand next to Obama.

acat

that any GOPer who agrees to sit down with Obama with Obama’s preconditions needs to be primaried.

As for being the “party of no”, part of the problem has been that the media aren’t covering jack squat other than the washington wrangling and Dem bloviating – there’s no good analysis of the bills available to someone who gets his news from ABC.

This is where Chairman Steele and the rest of the alleged leadership are a huge disappointment to me – he could be out there making factual arguments about how the bill, as proposed, does *not* let me keep my doctor, does *not* let me have a voice in my treatment options (I should just take a pain pill and die, eh?) and increases my tax rates to cover slackers who could buy insurance but don’t.

Where is this reported? How to overcome that “awareness gap” among independents is what the RNC is *for*, but it’s left to sites like Hot Air and Red State and Powerline to do it because the RNC won’t.

So, yeah, you’re right – there are ways to be “party of no” – and several have appeared in this thread. Hopefully, some of the knuckleheads in the gutless D.C. wing will read it and consider the consequences of “business as usual” in unusual times.

Mew

acat

There are GOP proposals, but they’ve not been reported on.

Again, someone who gets his news from ABC doesn’t know they’re out there – other than Repubs holding up booklets and handing booklets to Obama at various times – and did ABC dive into what the booklets contained? I think not.

Yes, the Independents seem to believe that some action on health care reform is needed – but a majority of the country does not want the current Dem plan.

There is an opportunity here for the GOP, but .. I don’t trust that the gutless D.C. wing have the balls to make the case, or the ability to make the case that the GOP solutions are better.

Especially if any of ‘em foul up and sit down with Obama under Obama’s current set of terms. There is no win in that scenario.

Mew

lesstress

You said this so well. NO NO NO.
The only meeting the Republican Party should have with Obama is if they hold the meeting and he listens. Fat chance that will happen. He is setting a trap. They better not fall into it. If they go to this fake meeting, they better have a plan that shows the American people how dumb he is. Absolutely NO COMPROMISE!!!

http://www.linkedin.com/in/williamgainey billg

It has been obvious since Dennis Hastert was Speaker and Trent Lott was majority leader. THE GOP IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE HAVE NO LEADERSHIP! They are all go along and get along GOOD OLE BOYS AND GIRLS. They are going to leave town and let the Senate go out of session and let OBAMA RECESS APPOINT up to 200 communists to his administration! Harry Reid help up Bush appointees by calling the Senate in session every 48-72 hours for only minutes at a time so no appointments could be made. Nobody on the GOP side would object to adjournment to keep the Senate in session like Reid did. No guts, no glory for the GOP senators. Demint seems to have balls, maybe Coburn, but the rest, NONE. ALL OF THEM NEED TO BE REPLACED. They will let this country go completely SOCIALISTS without a whimper because they have no guts or gonads to TELL THE US POPULATION WHO THESE PEOPLE REALLY ARE!

popdaddy

Most voters are too busy working or looking for work to actually watch this pending train wreck. But that won’t stop the left wing media from taking advantage of video clips/photos for advantage Socialist Democrat.

The local rag had a picture yesterday of John Boehner (deer in headlights expression) seated between Hoyer and Ma Pelosi next to The Idiot. Headline was Obama: Time to seek consensus.
If Boehner had anything good to say at the meeting on “jobs & economy” it sue didn’t make the story line.

Get a clue Boehner!

deevee

A rebel yell……..HELL NO!!!

soljerblue

would I be cool with such a meeting. It’s an obvious trap, designed to suck in Congressional Republicans and make them look like obstructionists, or quislings. I wonder whether Boehner or McConnell have the spine to stand up, deliver ‘NO’, and lead their colleagues out of the meeting. Frankly, I doubt it. I’ve written my senators and rep twice since Monday about this. the GOP(Grand Old Prostitute) doesn’t get the message on this one, the back lash will only grow!

arrowhead

when the answers should be NO then let them be NO.The only thing that could be wrong is a cave in of compromise in saying yes.

gman2008

Obstructionism in defense of liberty is no vice and cooperation in pursuit of tyranny is no virtue.

If the GOP attends the summit and anything resembling ObamaCare passes of anything providing for a Trojan horse for a government takeover or a government backed insurance cartel takeover of our healthcare subsequently passes, the GOP attendance will be scored by us as a vote for ObamaCare.

I submit the following if ObamaCare passes subsequent to the meeting (the following scores apply to the GOP):

The meeting will take place at a round table with no teleprompters allowed. If this agreement is not accepted the meeting is off. Failure to secure this agreement prior to the meeting will be scored as a vote for ObamaCare.

The President and Democrats in both Houses have already said they will not start over. More to the point a Politico story states that “Obama hopes to walk into the Feb. 25 summit with an agreement in hand between House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on a final Democratic bill, so they can move ahead with a reform package after the sit-down.” The House GOP must make this an issue and call out the President on the false premise of the entire event. If agreement is reached on a final bill, what is the purpose of the meeting? Where is the bi-partisanship if the bill was agreed to a priori to the event? Failure to do so will be scored as a vote for ObamaCare.

The President stated that reconciliation will not be taken off the table. As this amounts to shoving an unpopular bill down American’s throats and trampling on minority rights in the Senate, the entire premise of the summit is again called into question and the President’s real agenda for the meeting exposed. The House GOP must challenge the President on this point. Failure to do so will be scored as a vote for ObamaCare.

The House GOP must insist they be able to invite House Democrats opposed to the measure. If they are not allowed to do so, the meeting is over. Failure of the House GOP to insist upon this provision will be scored as a vote for ObamaCare.

The House GOP must be allowed to invite officials and lawmakers from those states that has passed or are working on passing legislation/resolutions challenging the constitutionality of the individual mandate. Failure of the House GOP to insist upon this provision will be scored as a vote for ObamaCare.

The House GOP must be allowed to invite their own experts, including but not limited to actuaries from the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) and members from the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office. Failure of the House GOP to insist upon this provision will be scored as a vote for ObamaCare.

Again, whether the GOP attends or not, the liberal media are going to spin, spin, spin. This ?summit? is a disaster in the making; we have everything to lose and nothing to gain. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have dug a deep hole, jumped in and are now extending their hands for our assistance in extricating them out of a disaster of their own making. If Republicans help revive this bill, they will lose a number of us out here in the voting world. I fear going to this summit will be a turning point.

gman2008

For those who may have forgot, it was McConnell and Cornyn’s strategy to have ObamaCare pass in an effort to increase mid-term gains. In short – sell out the country for power.

Read: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30869.html

“After weeks of refusing to embrace the ?obstructionist? label as a virtue, Senate Republicans finally saw the light and late last week began to use the parliamentary tools at their disposal to delay a final vote on health care.

Until then, with the exception of South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint, Republican lawmakers had refused to use Senate rules and procedures to obstruct the passage of the health care bill being pushed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and run out the clock on Obamacare. Some prominent Republican senators and members of their staffs had even let it be known they actually believed passage of the Reid health care bill and enactment of Obamacare would benefit GOP candidates in the November midterm elections.

This GOP strategy of expedient complicity enraged the conservative base, roused talk radio show hosts and bloggers and even provoked a backlash from the chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Social Security Institute and the National Tax Limitation Committee joined with Tea Party Support and Gun Owners of America to convey this outrage to the Senate Republican leadership through letters, e-mails and telephone calls from the grass roots to GOP senators? offices. ”

Here is the email creative text that turned the tide and exposed the strategy, forcing the GOP to change its tune:

“Republican Senator John Cornyn, the man charged with taking back control of the United States Senate for Republicans issued a memo to his colleagues and candidates Saturday suggesting that if the Democratic health care reform bill becomes law, it will be to the GOP?s political advantage.

The Senate Republican Leadership Does Not Get It – OR Worse – Does Not Care about this country and only cares about THEIR JOBS!

A few GOP Senators, however, are willing to stand in the gap with Senator Jim DeMint and Michael Steele and obstruct, obstruct, obstruct. The Forces of Obstruction are advancing but time is short and a Democratic blitzkrieg counterattack is about to begin.

Republican National Chairman Michael Steele understands this simple truth and has joined you in the fight to demand that Republican Senators obstruct, obstruct, obstruct and kill the Reid Bill.

THE GOOD NEWS IS each Senator (Without Approval from Leadership) has the power to stop this rush to judgment. Any Senator who refuses to use that power will be complicit; will be responsible for enacting ObamaCare into law. Tell them you will vote against their re-election if they fail to JUST OBJECT.”

It almost looks like the GOP is up to its old games. The price will be very, very heavy if they screw this up, attend, and in any way advance the agenda of ObamaCare.

jkeyes

Any Republican who folds after the “Sham meeting” with Obama should be voted out of office. It is time to rid the Republican Party of RINO’s.

rightwingmom52

I donated directly to Toomey and Russell yesterday as well as Rubio’s money bomb earlier this week. Every time the NRCC or the NRSC calls, I ask them if they can guarantee that my money will only support conservatives and that none of it will go to McCain, Collins, Snowe, etc. When they can’t, I let them know that I support conservatives only and am donating directly to various campaigns or to the senate conservatives fund, the house conservatives fund and remove the rinos. Lately, the operator tells me they’ve been hearing that a lot. When they feed me that line about helping to elect conservatives, I ask them who do they think got McDonnell, Christie and Brown elected but people like me. They don’t have an answer.

Trelaina

and he’s (predictably) one of the squishes calling for us to “not be the party of NO”

http://www.rove.com/articles/216

Sigh.

joeforeman

GOV?T HEALTH?CARE??Treating Symptoms ? Ignoring Causes

We hear and read everywhere, ?our healthcare system is broken?, but is this true? To be sure, healthcare costs are through the roof, but having talked with over 20,000 people about the healthcare crisis?, over the last 20 years, I believe that most are clueless as to what the real problem is, let alone the cause of it. The truth is, ?America doesn?t so much have a health care crisis as a health crisis?, says Gov. Huckabee, and the World Health Organization would agree, stating a few years ago that ??the US is experiencing the worst epidemic of chronic and degenerative disease that mankind has ever seen.?

The root cause of our ?health?crisis? We?re sick?of the way we live.
80-90% of all disease in America, say the experts, is due to poor lifestyle?mostly poor diet, but also lack of exercise and hydration?not just tobacco, drugs, alcohol abuse, STD, etc. Nutritionists say we are the most ?overfed and undernourished? population on earth. We wouldn?t feed a dog what we eat: sugar, processed, refined white flour, fake food, lacking in nutrient and fiber?Fido would get sick. Eating ourselves to death, we?re drowning in a flood of lifestyle diseases: heart disease, diabetes, cancer, obesity, colitis etc, causing us to have the highest utilization of medical services per capita in the world. As one Wall Street Journal writer put it, too many Americans are ?health-unconscious slobs?. We?re reaping what we?ve sown, and it?s bankrupting our nation.

The administration, ignoring the root cause of the crisis, seizes the opportunity ?too good to let go to waste?, to attempt a massive, micro-management takeover of the whole national healthcare system. (Already $65-100 Trillion in unfunded liabilities, and they?re adding yet another multi $ Trillion entitlement? The more the merrier?) For pretext, they blame the crisis on the insurance industry primarily, and also, the medical industry. However, our doctors are seen as among the best in the world, and our insurance companies as good as any.

It?s time to stop playing the ?blame game?, and get honest. It?s not health ?care? that?s broken?it?s our health that is. There?s no solving America?s health crisis apart from each of us individually taking personal responsibility to care for our own health. ?The best health care is self-care?, says Dr Joel Fuhrman MD, but our ?health-care-less? lifestyle has come home to roost, and the price tag for our behavior is creating a crisis that invites another government non-solution that treats the symptoms while ignoring the real problem.

Instead of dealing truthfully with the real problem, our ?crisis management?, ?national emergency? government, employs a full court press to rush national healthcare through ?before the public wakes up and notices that the healthcare systems of UK, France, Germany and Canada are so deep in the red that they?re about to unravel. The Canadian Medical Assoc. recently stated: ?We all agree that the [Canadian] system is imploding? things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize.? Surprising? As Margaret Thatcher said: “The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other people’s money.”

Congress is about to waste more Trillions?to treat the symptoms?our high medical costs?while ignoring the root cause?our poor health resulting from our ?health care-less? lifestyle. The administration targets and demonizes the insurance industry but the fact of the matter is that it?s not the insurance system that doesn?t work?it?s the large numbers of ?health unconscious slobs? in our society that don?t.

The UK National Health Services is the 3rd largest employer in the world, and way less than half of the employees are doctors and nurses. Can you spell o-v-e-r-h-e-a-d? Can you imagine it in America where health habits are inferior to those of the Brits?or the French for that matter. If we Americans cannot learn to individually manage our health ourselves, we will end up discovering that the overhead for nanny state management of our lives and our health is not to our liking. Manage yourself, or you will be managed. It?s been said: ?Be careful to get what you like; or you will be forced to like what you get.?

You?ve heard that being ?Efficient? means: ?Getting the job done right?, but being ?Effective? means: ?Getting the right job done.? Tell your representatives that we cannot afford to spend more Trillions?on the wrong job!

?I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.? ?Thomas Jefferson
JOE FOREMAN,
Topeka, KS

bs

Poll can be found here.

18. Do you think President Obama and Congress should continue to try to pass a health care overhaul plan or do you think they should give up and go on to other matters?

                     Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Wht    Blk    His
Continue health care 52%    23%    80%    48%    49%    55%    47%    80%    53%
On to other matters  44     73     18     46     48     40     50     14     38
DK/NA                 4      4      2      6      3      5      3      6      9

bs

qixlqatl

As in NO excuses. I won’t tolerate any.

As in, anything less than total commitment to the defeat of this monster will leave me NO reason to offer the least little bit of support by way of my time, money or vote.

As in, failure to kill this beast will leave me NO choice but to support third party candidates.

As in, I will have NO sympathy for the death of your careers.

Most two-year-olds have mastered the word no. If you can’t get that right, you have NO place in American government.

leehazel

I’m reminded of the great George Patton line referring to the one word, “nuts” reply to the Germans when they demanded an American General surrender himself and his troops. Patton remarked that “a man that eloquent must be saved”.

Eloquence comes in Small as well as large packages. A robust NO to Obama’s invitation/trap would resonate all over the political spectrum but would definitely be viewed by the Tea Party Party very positively.

Note: as this thing approaches whatever else is done keep John McCain on a very, very short leash. His version of bipartisan (read that Republican surrender) can not show itself in the venue. The results could be disastrous.

PC is Thought Control
LEE

OccamsRazor

The Republicans, if they venture forward that way, will be the party of dumb.

There’s no slick strike there.

It’s simple. No seats lost. Only fewer seats gained. Period.

Do NOT summit. You have everything to gain and everything to lose.

Think Republicans. Think.

antigman

Obama is drowning and “reaching out” to the GOP for a life-line, The last thing we should do is save him. I don’t want to be the party of NO, I want to be the party of H#LL NO! We need a complete change of leadership in the GOP, they are just progressives-light. There can be no compromise with the Dems, anything they agree to will be bad for us, So what’s the point? So they can be more popular with THEM? I don’t want to be liked by people who are taking away my freedom.

Let me take this opportunity to apologize to the country for sending Snowe and Collins to the Senate.

edwlstr

Hand Alinsky’s boy a cinderblock.

edwlstr

at 40 paces with my second in attendance.

NeoKong

“Hand Alinsky?s boy a cinderblock.”

Good one.

RS

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