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The Christianity Scam

The Christ died. On the third day he rose again from the dead. There will be a last day and he will return to judge the living and the dead.

As the Bible says, “To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some.” (1 Cor. 9:22).

Christ told St. Paul, “I am sending you to [the Gentiles] to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’” Acts 17b-18.

He told the apostles, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.” Matt. 28:19-20.

That proclamation to “go and make disciples of all nations” remains with us today. It is the Great Commissioning — Christians, who are aliens in a foreign land passing through on the way to eternity are commanded by God to be fishers of men, to convert the world to Christianity.

We should embrace all converts as they more often than those born and raised Christians have the hardest path, most difficult journey, and pay the steepest price.

We must understand all that to understand the Christianity Scam.

Over in South Carolina, State Representative Nikki Haley is, by birth, Sikh. According to Rep. Haley, she converted to Christianity and is now a Methodist. She attends church. She is raising her children in the Faith. She is married to a Christian man.

She has spoken openly of her conversion. Her parents remain Sikh and Nikki Haley embraces the culture of her heritage and of her parents out of respect for those traditions. Her mother was the first female judge in all of India. Nikki Haley has a proud history she shares with her children.

She has turned to the Lord for her salvation, but she has not turned her back on her family or her heritage.

But Congressman Gresham Barrett is attacking Nikki Haley for making a conversion to Christianity and a profession of faith.

Barrett, immediately into the runoff, let it be known that he was the Christian in the race. Before the runoff, Andre Bauer supporters referred to Haley as a “raghead,” and some even attacked Nikki Haley’s father for walking around town wearing his turban.

Barrett continues the attack. He’s not even denying it. Reporters from Washington to South Carolina are willingly discussing that Barrett’s campaign staff is pushing the stories questioning Nikki Haley’s Christianity — questioning the sincerity of her conversion.

Christ told us to go out into the world and make disciples of all mankind. Here is a woman who converted and rose to prominence and is now being attacked for that very conversion all Christians should embrace.

The Barrett attacks are nothing but a Christianity scam — making himself greater and Haley less a Christian because Barrett was born into the faith (never mind that no one is really born into the faith without being born again) and Haley left the religion of her ancestors and embraced Jesus Christ as her savior. He is trying to build himself up by proclaiming her conversion inauthentic — inserting himself in the place of the Christ who alone can judge that conversion.

And that is not hyperbole to say. Gresham Barrett’s campaign is openly pushing the story that Nikki Haley is not a Christian despite her statements, her church membership, the way she is raising her children, etc. And the Barrett campaign is even going beyond that. They are saying that even if Nikki Haley is a Christian, Barrett is more of a Christian because he was born into the faith and spent his life in the faith.

Gresham Barrett’s campaign is devaluing that which the Lord himself commanded — making disciples of all nations.

Gresham Barrett and his Christian supporters who push this attack should be ashamed of themselves.

Who are we to know the hearts of men, to judge the sincerity of a conversion and also to judge the sincerity of one who claims to have his whole life in love with the Lord? Who are we to judge? It is one thing to say someone proclaiming to be a Christian is not living the life of a Christian or has turned one’s back on the faith and its teachings. It is quite another to attack for political opportunism someone else’s conversion and call it into question for one’s own political gain.

“I will give them a heart to know that I am the Lord, and they shall be my people and I will be their God, for they shall return to me with their whole heart.” Jer. 24:7 (ESV)

“And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.” Rev. 20:12 (NIV)

COMMENTS

  • redcometchar2010

    However, while this hurts and offends me, I am not surprised. Christians, myself included, are not immune to being stupid and doing stupid things. I deplore this situation because not only does it hurt an innocent woman, but it also repulses people away from Christianity. I don’t know who said it, but I do believe that the biggest obstacles to people accepting Christ are Christians. I can’t and shouldn’t apologize for this behavior, but I only take solace in the fact that god so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son to save creatures such as us.

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    And amen.

  • promise

    MR. Barrett, I was a double heathen when Jesus found me like He did Paul in a great bright light!! I would have NEVER been a Christian because of people just like this man! May shame come upon him.

    I tell people to be sure they know when people say & do such as this person is doing it “ain’t” Jesus He had NOTHING to do with.
    When you come out of being meanner than snake into this wonder filled LIFE you see things differently than a person “raised” in church! So get a life Mr. Barrett!! You are a bad example to people like I used to be!

  • jeffreywturner

    First of all, he was not “born” into the faith any more than she was.

    As Jesus tells us, we must be born twice, once of the water (e.g. of our mother’s womb) and again of the spirit. It is upon our second birth, that of the spirit, that we become Christians. I don’t know when Barrett claims to have become a Christian, but I’m certain it wasn’t the same day his mother gave birth to him. If he is indeed a Christian, he is a convert just like all the rest of us.

    What is truly amazing is that he is doing one of the most un-Christian things a person can do in order to appear more Christian. Am I the only one who sees the irony in this?

  • handprop

    on this great article. The bible makes it very clear that we are not to focus on competition but rather use our God given blessings and Christ will deal with others. Faith, is really what this is about. People who attack lack faith in what Christ is capable of.

    Handprop

  • tommer

    …I would like to hear my former senator speak out against this sickening kind of low politics.

  • acat

    One group of christians trying to set themselves above others has been happening since Paul was writing, and I’m quite sure it’ll be happening when I’m compost. It’s quite offensive.

    It’s also potentially a political suicidal. The American culture loves an underdog – and this makes Nikki one – and hates arrogance – and this is clearly a show of false superiority.

    I can only hope there are either enough honest christians in south carolina, or enough pissed-off atheists… either will do.

    Mew

  • actionsarelouder

    that the righteous will live by faith. God will lead the way on this one.

  • Lori Jeffries

    The fact that conservative Christians are no longer willing to accept any charge as fact just because it is leveled as true gives me great hope. I pray that the Christian community gathers the Haley family in their arms and embraces them. From a distance, it seems she has conducted herself and her campaign in a way that honors both her parents and her faith. For that she should be commended and would earn my vote, should I live in South Carolina.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Clearly Gresham Barrett has not; if he had he’d know that those services are open to everybody, offer no insult to anyone else’s religion, and end with everybody being fed.

    Emulating Andre Bauer is no way to beat Nikki Haley, Congressman. In fact, based on the election returns, it’s an excellent way to get into dead last.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    …if he hasn’t already, which is the one sin that cannot be forgiven. (c.f. Marthew 12:31-32).

    Whether blinded by bigotry or arrogance or twisting the Gospel for political expediency – in any case, by claiming that an act of the Spirit represents deception, calling demonic that which the Spirit has wrought in a human heart – in accord with the Faith that he himself professes, Mr Barrett is risking casting himself into the outer darkness for eternity.

    Here’s a Bible question for you Mr. Barrett: “For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?”

    Consider carefully your response…

  • http://www.evanweeks.com EvanWeeks

    Having grown up a bit in the last year and a half, I’m less inclined to start shouting and writing invective about something some politician does. I just don’t have the energy to spare.

    With this, the first thing that went through my mind was the word, “anathema.”

    A word that means utmost loathing, the vilest of curses, and I reserve it for those whom Jesus, and His apostles after him, likewise cursed. False teachers who led people astray. Jesus cursed the Pharisees for wishing to seem religious and wise while placing extra-scriptural burdens on the people that they themselves did not carry. Paul cursed false teachers at the church of Galatia, and later warned Timothy of the same. Peter warned at length of the danger of false teachers, saying, “they scoff at things they do not understand, and they will be destroyed.” (2 Peter 2:12)

    A self-proclaimed Christian in a position of public leadership has a very high standard to live up to, because whether they like it or not, they are now a leader of Christians by example.

    In one way, that’s pretty harsh, to try to tell someone that just because they’re in the public limelight for a short time they’re held to a standard they may not be trained to reach, and I think that’s a fair criticism… of this man’s pastor. If a man has been raised Christian since birth and claims salvation, and he is from any congregation I pastor, he bloody well better not behave this way. Someone needs to find out who this man’s pastor is and get the phone/email train rolling, because it’s time for some church discipline. This man has failed, in public, and must be called to repentance, in public. Then, like God, we must forgive them and move on.

    Whether Rep. Barrett is in the wrong shouldn’t even be up for grabs. In Luke 18:9-14, Jesus tells a story about a Pharisee and a Tax Collector who went to the temple to pray. The Tax Collector stood at a distance, too terrified even to approach, and didn’t even dare to lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed. Instead he beat himself up and cried, “O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner!” … The Pharisee merely looked back from within the temple and prayed, “I thank you God that I am not a sinner like everyone else. I don’t cheat, sin, run around on my wife, and I’m definitely not like that Tax Collector! I fast, and I give a tenth of my income!” Jesus told His disciples that it was the Tax Collector, the humble man, that went home justified. “Those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

    In summary, call the guy to repentance. Call his pastor and raise the issue, because his pastor is culpable for teaching and leading the Congressman. Demand a public apology. Then forgive and drop it, and vote him out of office. ;)

  • jenniferjmilleresq

    Congressman Barrett says he’s “always” been a Christian (“born into the faith”). Representative Haley tells the narrative of her conversion. John 1:12-13 “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. Children of God receive Him. They are not born into His family.

    Congressman Barrett’s campaign is stooping to this low for the purpose of highlighting her family’s national origin and race and former religion which have no place in public debate. This is really sad.

    “Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [...]
    Charity suffereth long and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
    Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; [...]
    Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
    Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. [...]
    And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.”
    I Cor. 13:1, 4-7, 13

  • IJB

    I think so are a number of the SC pols in the Bauer/Barrett camp.

    These dudes are “Dead Man Walking”.

  • taxpayer1234

    Christians are SUPPOSED TO seek and understand the non-Christians’ perspective, in order to bring them the Gospel. Barrett is content only to preach to the choir. That’s Cowardly Christianity, IMO.

    As far as I’ve heard, Ms. Haley attends a genuine Christian church, not a hate factory/political machine like that Obama attended for 20 years. So I have no reason to believe she isn’t genuine in her faith.

    Barrett obviously doesn’t know his bible, or he’d know quite a few of the Disciples were anything but holy before Christ called them to serve.

  • JSobieski

    Sikh’s have taken a lot of punishment over the years—the Jihadists consider them to be less than infidelss since they are not “people of the book”.

  • JSobieski

    he would definitely step into this scenario and chastise the “Christian” candidate in a very vocal and public manner.

  • taxpayer1234

    To curse is to wish eternal death upon someone. Christ was offering eternal life to everyone who chooses to confess sins and follow Him. Why then would He curse someone without giving him that chance to change?

  • http://www.evanweeks.com EvanWeeks

    Read Matthew 23, particularly starting with verse 13 and going through the rest of the chapter. Jesus was not particularly kind in His pronouncements against them. The Seven Woes are some of the most vehement speech you’ll see come from Christ, actually.

    This is rather beside the point though, as I don’t think the guy needs to be declared anathema in truth, which I think I made pretty clear if you’ll read the whole of what I wrote. My initial reaction to his actions is abhorrence, but I wouldn’t write him off as a brother in Christ. I -do- however call him to repentance publicly.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica

    than those born into it.

    Probably b/c they’ve reasoned and take full responsibility for their beliefs.

    Less can probably be said of crummy Barrett.

  • rfpzzzzz

    Huckabee lost me , for the most part, when he played up the Mormon thing against Romney. I had liked him before that , but I saw a sleazy side of him I did not like. Romney might have had it coming , so to speak , but religious attacks ( other than against Muslims due to bombing and beheading and all that) is just a low life tactic . I don’t hate him or anything but I saw through the smile nevertheless.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    But having lived in the South for awhile, I know that it does.

  • Born Again Capitalist

    It is easier to be born into the Christian faith (or any other faith, for that matter) and follow it than it is to break with your familial traditions and embrace the truth as you best understand it. I do not say this to disparage Christians who were born into Christianity and brought up as Christians, but to further laud those individuals who took a long, hard, cold look at reality and made a choice.

    For my part – and I am filled with trepidation in writing this – I am not a Christian. I believe in God, I believe in his benevolence, and I believe that the truth is the truth. I do not believe that I, personally, have, at this present moment in time, access to that truth. For me to blindly embrace Christianity, or any other religion, would be an epistemological sin against my creator. This does not mean that I doubt the truth of the Gospel; it only means that I am not spiritually equipped to travel down that path until God places some knowledge or sign into my life that this path is the correct one. With all my heart, I have faith that God will tell me when it’s time to move out. Until that day, I patiently await his word.

    But if Nikki Haley has received his word, and a third party seeks to attack her because she received it later than one who was born into it, I find that shameful to the utmost degree. In Nikki Haley I find a fellow traveler of sorts – one who was not born with the knowledge of the truth in her heart. It is not easy. It is not easy to not know what you are to do or to be, nor is it easy to move from the comfort of inactivity to the path of the righteous. I have attempted a myriad of stutter starts, only to return to this neutral place, waiting patiently for the Word to show me the way. I don’t expect this to make sense to anyone else.

    The point that I am trying to make is that faith is a covenant between man (or woman) and God. Nobody can rush this relationship. Nobody can blame another for coming into the fold too late. The goal is that you have an open and loving heart, ready to embrace the Lord in the way he shows you. If, as all appearances suggest, Nikki Haley has done this, then it is the realm of no man to question her in this.

    Let us love God and await his instruction, no matter when it comes.

  • jeffreywturner

    No one is a Christian when they are born the first time.

    Every Christian became a Christian upon their second birth.

    However, I think you are referring to those who convert from a different faith tradition, as opposed to those raised in such a way to influence them towards Christendom, in which case I agree. Those Christians do tend to be more devout and committed than most. As our Lord tells us, he who is forgiven the greater debt is more grateful and loves more deeply.

  • jeffreywturner

    If Nikki actually did “fake” a conversion for political convenience, then that would be very insulting to all Christians.

    Look at our President for instance. He calls himself a Christian when he is obviously an atheist, or at least agnostic. Don’t you wish he would stop being such a coward and just come out and admit that he thinks all of us believers are stupid and ignorant?

    I have seen nothing from Nikki however to indicate that her conversion was anything less than authentic.

  • jeffreywturner

    As Barrett boasts of his Christian credentials, I wonder if he is aware that pride is one of the 7 deadly sins?

  • JX12

    …to submit to the instruction of God, “no matter when it comes.”

    May I humbly suggest that it has, in fact, already come in the form of the holy scriptures.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    There’s only One that has that ability. In any case, whether she’s Sikh or Christian shouldn’t matter. In the South though, it does. Just planting the idea that she’s really not a Christian is enough to keep some there from voting for her.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    They can sneak up on you when you least expect them.

  • taxpayer1234

    on someone are two completely different things. Christ railed against their behavior and warned what would happen IF they didn’t repent and change their ways. But he didn’t curse them–that is, wish eternal death upon them–for their sins. He warned them that they will curse themselves!

    No, I don’t think Barrett has gone off the deep end as far as his own faith, but he’s certainly not winning any points with the Man Upstairs for the slings and arrows he’s throwing at Hailey.

  • taxpayer1234

    of your faith. I’ve always been of the opinion that a person’s faith, not his religion, are most important to God.

  • SirGladiator

    I’m a Christian myself, and this is such an outrage. This guy is a total loser, and he’s as dumb as these attacks suggest he is. If he had done the logical thing, the decent thing, celebrated his victory over the rest of the field other than Nikki, and dropped out and endorsed Nikki instead of calling for a runoff he would’ve had the good will of the vast majority of SC Republicans, and would’ve been first in line for the next statewide office he wanted to go for. Instead he’s showing his true character, more specificly the lack thereof, and I imagine that most feel the way I do now, that they wouldn’t vote for him for dog catcher. I certainly hope she doesn’t just win but wins huge, as one would certainly expect her to. Anything less than a landslide victory for Nikki at this point would speak very ill indeed of SC Republicans, one can only hope that they’re as sane and decent as they seemed to be during the Primary, and they reject these attacks as strongly as the rest of us do.

  • aesthete

    As I recall, Paul, Jesus, and several other prominent New Testament figures reserved their most scathing commentary for those who either tacked on requirements to “believe and be baptized”, negated the overwhelming power of God’s mercy and grace, or set themselves as higher than others of the faith.

  • aesthete

    I don’t know what you have to do to qualify as a partaker of such a sin, but if I were Mr Barrett, I wouldn’t want to be so dangerously close to finding out!

  • gekster

    Either you believe in him or you don’t.
    And if you believe in him, the you don’t need that special letter.

    I was wondering where to put this.
    from my sister Di:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=WUQYJ77qa50

  • aesthete

    of mine, this sort of scenario is exactly why I abhor the Christian identity nonsense that has promulgated since time immemorial: it leads to a dilution of both true Christianity and the calibre of our representatives, such as it is. Showing that the Gospel of Christ isn’t just some cynical racket meant to benefit those in power is that much more difficult when politicians, as a matter of course, appeal to voters through their “Christianity”, and are rewarded by support. Being informally represented by politicians who have to see their opponents as evil, and who participate in a zero-sum activity (politics) is no boon for the Gospel. Worse, lots of doctrine that would be rightfully thrown out as the garbage that it is survives out of political convenience, as it caters to the mandates of some ideology or other. Lastly, and worst of all, it blurs the line for Christianity, and establishes it as a civil religion of sorts. The Bible isn’t a political document or a textbook on societal reorganization, and every Christian who sees it that way, or who sees some use for it for those purposes, is only obfuscating the true purpose of the Gospel.

    This latest issue with Haley is just one of many examples of how this conflation of religion and politics is bad for candidate recruitment: when one limits one’s talent pool to those who are strong adherents to one’s faith, one is left with less options, and possibly, worse options. This is obvious in the case of the free market, where one doesn’t give a second thought to the religious identification of one’s banker, lawyer, or waiter, and the same principle should apply to politicians.

  • Adjoran

    No office is worth this.

    Not to defend him, but he does come from the area of the state where evangelical Christians hold the most political power in the Republican Party, so he is going to his strength, what he knows.

    However, as has been pointed out above, questioning another’s conversion to Christianity is a grievous accusation. I think Barrett is a good Christian whose emotions and ambitions have gotten the better of him and left him weakened after an 18-month quest which has come to naught. I’ll pray for him, that he might deal with the beam in his own eye.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I have yet to see direct evidence of any of Barrett’s attacks. I support Haley all the way but want actual links and quotes before commenting further on this matter and want to do a column.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    evidencing Barrett’s transgressions in this area? I haven’t seen any.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    have given Haley as many votes as all the white male Christians votes, combined, with Haley ahead of the white male Christian Dem by 20 pts. Got any Indian-Americans in executive spots outside the South? no

    Let’s judge what matters in the South by election results, not speculation.

    I suspect that planted stories that seek to paint opponents as liars might matter to “some” in any region of the country.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    an actual link above to an actual quote of Barrett. I am for Haley and have written in her favor. Will write again, but in order to slam Barrett on what he is accused of here, I would require some actual evidence. Not seeing it doesn’t exist. Just that I haven’t seen the evidence.

  • udkjack

    The whole of Matthew 17 is instructive in this matter but 18-22 should get Barrett’s pastor’s attention.

    A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
    Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

  • JadedByPolitics

    I suggest it is more then that. It is a battle of men against women. Those same “born into” Christian White Males are having one hell of a time consigning themselves to support a dark skinned, born again, FEMALE! The GREAT liberation of the GOP in SC is mere days away and it will be literally a Godsend!

  • From ME to You

    it is very strongly implied as is his reminder that he is a “Christian family man” where , obviously, Nikki Haley is not a man!

    You can see the two ads at Gresham Barrett’s campaign website:

    “Gresham Barrett”

    As to whether Mr. Barrett and Mrs. Haley are Christian I can only quote the Lord Himself!

    “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.” (Matthew 7:21 NASB)

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    has always emphasized his Christian faith and family values his whole career and that rather than emphasize inferences that have Haley supporters explicitely reminding voters of claims she has lied about her religious conversion, we would be better off just having her talk about the issues and her own words about how her faith informs her governing intent.

    I support Haley all the way and think Barrett should drop out. The word I get from people inside SC where I was a political activist, former Dem party official and campaign manager twice; and legislative liason at the state house, is that Barrett has been told that everyone in Columbia knows about Haley’s many affairs and that he could win if another show drops.

    I think that’s bunk and that Haley is in effect immunized from more charges and will win in a landslide.

    Folks in Sc care about their wallets, despite all the media attempts to slander a whole state over ONE elected official that use an ethnic slur.

  • AceInTX

    He’s a whitewashed tomb full of dead men’s bone’s as Christ proclaimed those who fast in public and pray in public and hold themselves out as holier than thou.

    He’s the religious establishment who criticized Christ and his followers for sitting down to supper with publicans and sinners.

    in short…the man is a hypocrite!

  • taxmaiden

    Why does any of this matter? They should be talking policy not religion. Is Barrett so desperate that the only way to get votes is using personal attacks? If I were Nikki, I wouldn’t even dignify the accusations with a response. Of course, I’m not running for office but…

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    I never said anything about race. And yes, the same thing can certainly work in other regions of the Country.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx
  • tallladyinred

    …so much of this is scary. MY book is “righter” than your book….

    God is bigger than all the world’s religions, mere windows mortals
    need to comprehend God.

    God is not in ANY book.

    I read threads like this and see the seeds of a Holy War.

    Our traditions, good will, good actions, respect for others, for animals, each other, is what is important. That is written in many books, all of which contain God — except the one (or the professed believers who
    think they have the ONLY bead on God….

    Nikki would be wonderful in politics — as a Sikh. Christian?
    It doesn’t matter. That she is good, honest, resourceful, intelligent, respectful… these are important attributes. We don’t need scripture or doxology.

    ….Lady in Red

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    The Washington reporter who called and asked me for my thoughts on Gresham Barrett’s staff questioning Nikki Haley’s statement about her faith on her website and pointing out that a few years ago her state rep. campaign site had nothing about her religion on it?

    It’s roughly the same stuff David Brody put out.

  • http://fboisseau.wordpress.com fboisseau

    This is the disgusting and I bet that Mr. Barrett, the democrat, will never get called on this by the MSM.

    1) A person who chooses a faith, has done more and made more of a choice then most of us born into a religion.
    2) It should not matter what religion a person holds, as long as they do not want to force their religion on the people. Mr. Barrett read the Constitution, it make it very clear that NO RELIGIOUS TEST can be used to qualify an elected official. Thank about that, those of you, who think that Constitution is out dated. It was the first document in world, written in 1776, to have a non-discrimination clause in it.
    3) How can those that support Mr. Barrett stand there and let him do this?

    This is very shameful and there is no excuse for this behavior. I will also say to the Citizens of SC, this show who little Mr. Barrett thinks of you. He thinks that making these PREJUDICE RELIGIOUS statements will win him the election. You need to kick him to the curb.

  • jenniferjmilleresq

    They’re on Haley’s site, you tube, local news outlets that hosted them, etc. I distinctly remember some opening statements of Barrett’s giving this strong vibe that he was a Christian and had always been a Christian.

  • redneck_hippie
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    A VERY FEW white men have behaved badly and the drive bys have given them voice. I give voice to those that vote, speak nicely of Haley and those that are silent. God bless.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    We have enough against him simply given that he won’t drop out. But he has been a good conservative his whole career and I don’t want us to crucify him over pretty weak allegations. I remember because I was Dem Party official trying to beat him years ago.

    I am for Haley all the way. I appreciate your reply to my request. God bless.

  • texasgalt

    Only the complete destruction of the “enemy” will do. Winning or prevailing should be satisfaction enough.

  • stephaniet

    …who said something to that effect? “I like your Christ, but not your Christians” or something like that. That is a very hard-hitting, deep-stabbing wake-up call for us as Christians–and if it’s not, what have we done wrong?

    I am so overwhelmed by the amount of patience God has. If I were God, I would be so infuriated by humans that I would want to destroy them all again. Yet He is merciful beyond measure, and I’m grateful for that.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Are you not clear as to my line of argument, or are you looking for hyperlinks to statements by Barrett challenging the sincerity of Nicki’s conversion?

    If it’s the latter, you’ll need to take that up with Erick: my comment is predicated on the assumption that Erick has accurately stated that Barrett continues to declare that Nicki is a closet-Sikh and not a Christian, denying the sincerity of her conversion and practice, and therefore essentially calling her a deceiver.

    My reasoning simply is if the formulation above accurately reflect Barrett’s public and behind-the-scenes statements and if he is wrong in thus pronouncing judgment on Nicki – then he is calling demonic that which is the work of the Holy Spirit – and in that case by definition he would be committing the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit described in the Matthew text.

    And I think Mr. Barrett needs to serious consider whether gaining the prize of nomination to the U.S. Senate is worth putting his soul into such grave eternal peril.

    And that’s not even getting into the political/Constitutional issues around his activities in this realm. Or the evident ugly bigotry that appears to be behind his accusations and that defames the name of Christ.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    that we shouldn’t join in the MSM pile on the stereotypes myths about SC, whites, men and Christians.

  • stephaniet

    Matthew the tax collector. Remember him? I like that story so much. There’s Matthew, a government thief… and along comes Jesus, calls him to follow, and Matthew jumps up and goes after Him. Even government types can be saved!

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    This is the run-off to the Republican primary that Nicki fell just a fraction of a percentage point short of winning outright.

    No disagreement with the rest of your comment.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    This is the run-off to the Republican primary that Nicki fell just a fraction of a percentage point short of winning outright.

    No disagreement with the rest of your comment.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth
  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    It does appear you’re looking for links – documentation of statements by Barrett regarding the accusations being levied against him.

    Can’t help you on that – hopefully those with boots on the ground in South Carolina can come up with the links you’re requesting.

  • bobbyb444

    three more are pointed back at you…

    Jesus said: “…First get rid of the log from your own eye; then perhaps you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend?s eye…” (Matthew 7:4-5)

    And wasn’t there a Bible quote somewhere that said for Christians not to criticize other Christians, or believers??

  • vandalii

    Hopefully, S. Carolinans will be good Bereans and check the facts before going to the polls. Paul called Peter on the carpet for hanging with the “circumcision party” (i.e. those that view being Jewish first a requirement for being a Christian…maybe like being “born” into the faith?). Gal 2:11-21 is a strong indictment on those that would seek to make “their Christianity” the true one.

    Lest anyone forget, *none* of us was physically born a Christian — we were all born dead in trespass and sin. We are *all* adopted (John 1:9-13). God has no grandchildren, only children adopted as co-heirs with Christ. Mr. Barrett is delusional if he thinks he was born “into” the faith rather than born into a family of faith. His adoption may have come earlier in life than Mrs. Haley, but as Christ taught, it isn’t the length of time served in the fields, it was having served in the fields at all that resulted in the day’s wages (Matt. 20:1-16). In fact, if we literally hold to verse 16, Mrs. Haley, last in, should be first :-) .

  • vandalii

    Hopefully, S. Carolinans will be good Bereans and check the facts before going to the polls. Paul called Peter on the carpet for hanging with the “circumcision party” (i.e. those that view being Jewish first a requirement for being a Christian…maybe like being “born” into the faith?). Gal 2:11-21 is a strong indictment on those that would seek to make “their Christianity” the true one.

    Lest anyone forget, *none* of us was physically born a Christian — we were all born dead in trespass and sin. We are *all* adopted (John 1:9-13). God has no grandchildren, only children adopted as co-heirs with Christ. Mr. Barrett is delusional if he thinks he was born “into” the faith rather than born into a family of faith. His adoption may have come earlier in life than Mrs. Haley, but as Christ taught, it isn’t the length of time served in the fields, it was having served in the fields at all that resulted in the day’s wages (Matt. 20:1-16). In fact, if we literally hold to verse 16, Mrs. Haley, last in, should be first :-) .

  • romeg

    being judgmental It sounds as though Gresham Barrett is a member of “…[that] brood of vipers.” for whom Jesus reserved his strongest condemnation.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    The text you allude to warns us against spiritual pride – and elsewhere we are exhorted to settle our disputes within the church rather than the civil courts. Nothing here advocates blind tribal loyalty.

    But in this case, we’re dealing with someone who has gone into the public arena and cast the first stone* and we’re thus protecingt one our own against an unjust – or even possibly blasphemous accusation. Totally different situation.

    —————————————
    *Assuming that Erick’s is accurate about Barrett’s statements. Mike has asked for documentation via links, so until such are forthcoming, my argument will have to be conditional.

  • tlhanger

    And again, Amen.

  • cwilson

    I can’t find the actual quote, but it was something along the lines of I admire Christ and would be a Christian, but I’ve met too many of them.

    What would the world have been like had those 5th century Christians he met, acted more like Christ?

  • cwilson

    .

  • uhangtight

    The Word of God gives explicit instructions how Christians are to behave towards each other: take it to Pastors/Leaders, let them rebuke the sinner, if he/she repents receive them again. You are right, his Pastor will stand before God for these actions if he has not taught the Word of God to the flock correctly.

    That being said, in Isaiah there is this line that I have prayed when other Christians have slandered me:

    If, I be the Servant of the Lord, before whom I stand daily; may He judge between your heart and my heart. And, if any tongue fiercely assails me in Judgment He will condemn, because my righteousness is of Him…

    In other Words, Barret, you have judged God as a liar and a sinner, guess what? God is not a man that he needs to repent, cause God is not a liar. Watch out.. Barret…

    And, no we are not born into Christianity.. we are born into sin.. Word ..

  • olttnteves

    HE GIVES ALL CHRISTIANS A BAD NAME AND HE IS A HIPOCRIT.

  • eagleed

    Mike,

    This may be your “actual link.” As with so much in politics, this reports the negative attack on Haley as something placed in the public conversation by “persons unidentified” in Barrett’s campaign. Is he responsible? That question could be repeated. If he is responsible (not just for this attack, but in general) he could end the negativity by denying that he agrees with its tone and content, and giving thanks for her conversion.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/sc-gresham-barrett-aide-pushes-story-on-nikki-haleys-religion-96393714.html

  • pittbull

    I remember reading Psalms 1.
    Blessed is the man that walk in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor stteth in the seat of the scornful.

    But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

    And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

    The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

    Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgement, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

    For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

    Personally I say;
    “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

  • pittbull

    Blessed is the man who walketh NOT in the counsel of the ungodly…………………Sorry.

    We all make mistakes, and nobuddy’s prefect. :)

  • mamacee

    in the parable about the workers in the vineyard where some were hired first thing in the morning, some at noon, and some with only an hour left to the workday and yet all were paid the same amount….

    Mat 20:15 Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?’
    Mat 20:16 So the last will be first, and the first last.”

    The point of the parable is that it does not matter when a person comes to saving faith in Christ. What does matter is that one does come to that saving faith.

    Nikki Haley has won this race.

  • ZootSuit

    While it is very true that today most South Carolinians — liberal or conservative, White or Black, whatever — are not racist or such, such “whistle words” and “in-group” ethnic/racial/religious demagoguery has been a hallmark of South Carolina politics since … well … forever.

    Quite frankly, there is nothing unusual about how Gresham Barrett is now campaigning. Look at the history of South Carolina politics. Only now, perhaps, more people are recognizing and condemning it.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica

    but we’re probably in a difference of opinion when it comes to being raised from the cradle in a faith.

    Catholics baptize their children as babies. I speak from that perspective…although I think one could also include those Christians who were baptized at the age of reason.

    MY POINT being that Nikki Haley is probably a stronger Christian than Bennett — in all likelihood because she is a convert.

    I really don’t care to get into Christian symantics — because at this point, it can be proven too divisive when all conservatives need to be unified.

    Do we care to follow Barrett’s example and be nitpicky?

    This is about Nikki and dumb Barrett’s unjust treatment of her.

    Cheers.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica

    you?

    Barrett?

    It’s unfair to compare her to Obama. With THAT, I am insulted.

    No one can be rightfully compared to this socialist president who’s set on destroying America.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica

    calling it demonic, civil_truth.

    You’d have to get in the man’s head to say this — or have him admit it.

    He is perceiving Nikki as the liar, not the Holy Spirit or *whatever* may have stirred her soul.

    What you’re saying is that no one could ever question the conversion of another person — and just take it for granted that they are Christian.

    I’m not sticking up for Barrett — just for myself and everyone else when it comes to discerning who we want to associate with.

    There’s a proper definition of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, but this isn’t it.

  • texasgalt

    I meant it wasn’t enough for some that Haley will prevail. You are right, No need to pile on. :-)

  • brojohn2

    It was Ghandi, here is the quote:
    “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mohandas Gandhi

    I hate to break it to this Barrett guy is not acting very Christlike. I agree with many of the comments made already, and just want to say that we are all sinners, saved by the grace of God from the penalty for our sins. As Paul put it so well in Romans 6:23, “the wages of sin are death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord.”

  • carryon

    Let’s not make this race about who is a better Christian (who cares?!) but rather who can best represent the interests of S. Carolina , regardless of their religious orientation. I believe Ms. Haley’s testimonial, as well as Mr. Barrett’s. Let’s not waste our energy on personal beliefs.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • jeffreywturner

    n/t

  • edwlstr

    and in public to boot, it’s only a matter of time before the public rejects him completely. What is this “My Father in Heaven can whip your Father in Heaven”? If I were him I would go into hiding for about two decades until this blows over, or until he grows up.

  • drljr

    The attacks remind me of Christ’s words about the simple fact that many are called but few are chosen and that hypocrites will always be around.

  • disgustedinnc

    I agree with your remarks, Mr. Erickson, and I’ll suggest another Sripture reference that Rep. Barrett ought to read and think about: Romans 14:4:

    “Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his (in this case her) own master he (she) stands or falls. And he (she) will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.”

    Knock ‘em dead, Nikki.

  • thelight

    The Bible does NOT tell us to convert the whole world to Christianity. You’re confusing Christianity with Islam. The Bible tells us to spread the word, true, but having spread the word if there are those who still choose to remain in darkness then we are to leave them for God to deal with. We are NOT told to drag people kicking and screaming to God. We are not told to establish a global Christian theocracy. God wants people to come to him willingly, not by force. This is the biggest failing I see in Christians today is that when they tell someone about Jesus and they reject him, they continue to hound that person. No. That’s not what you’re supposed to do. If someone rejects the message of Jesus then leave them in their sins for God to deal with. Not all people are going to be saved. Jesus did not die to save all the people, just those who embrace him as messiah. That’s another common fallacy I see out there is the belief that Jesus came to save everyone, he didn’t. He came to save as many as would be saved, but he also knew that there would be many, the bulk of humanity in fact, that would not allow themselves to be saved. There’s a big difference in coming to save those who would be saved and coming to save everyone. If everyone was automatically saved by Jesus dying on the cross, then it wouldn’t matter what sort of lives we live because it’s all covered. Can you imagine the anarchy that would ensue if everyone thought they could get away with anything because they’ll be saved in the end anyway?

  • thelight

    This wasn’t meant to be a reply to a reply. I don’t know how it got made into that. I was replying to the original story. The author clearly does not know his Bible if he think we are told to create a global theocracy and drag people into it against their will. God will do that when he returns and sorts his people from Satans.

  • acat

    And how do you square this to Matthew 28?

    Mew

  • AceInTX

    The great commission tells us to go out into the whole world and make disciples of all men.

    Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

    That’s not to say we’re to force people into believing as the Islamists do at the point of a sword. but to say the Bible doesn’t tell us to convert the whole world to Christianity is off the mark.

  • spudsnsuds

    I could say that all Protestant’s are less Christian because they were neither born into the true Christian faith nor believe or practice the true Chrisitan faith but can you imagine if I were running for office and my opponent was Protestant, how well that would go over?

    This is one of the most vile attacks one politician has made against an opponent. It certainly is unbecoming of someone calling themselves Christian.

  • redstatejim

    Contact the office of Gresham Barrett and let him know you are OUTRAGED by this nonsense, and that he MUST stop this kind of attack on any opponent. Let your voices be heard! Here is his D.C. Contact info:
    WASHINGTON, DC OFFICE
    439 CANNON HOUSE OFFICE BUILDING
    WASHINGTON, DC 20515
    P: 202-225-5301
    F: 202-225-3216

  • jone

    [I saw this item on the web - JonE]

    Government-Approved Illegals !

    Speaking of illegals, the government hasn’t built the fence high enough to keep out the un-American criminals who want to take away our freedoms.
    Yes, the government hasn’t built the White House fence high enough to keep out the un-American criminals who somehow got into the White House and who are now working hard to take away the religious, social, and economic freedoms of true American patriots!
    Here are two slogans that Obama would rather not think about: “Unborn babies should have the right to keep and bear arms – and legs and ears and eyes, etc.!” and “Unborn babies should have the same right to be born alive that abortionists had!”
    If Obama should ever happen to Google “Dangerous Radicals of the Religious Right,” do you think he would feel guilty merely walking in the hallowed halls of that House where true Americans walked?
    Is it safe to assume that Mecca Wafers are Obama’s favorite candy? And is barack-coli a vegetable or a disease?