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Better the Christian Hating Lesbian Than the Black Man

By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  June 17th, 2010 at 10:27 AM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

Stuff like this is probably why Alvin Greene is the Democrats’ Senate candidate in South Carolina.

Greene, a man with no home, no money, and no job, beat the Democrats’ hand picked candidate for the right to lose to Jim DeMint in South Carolina. The Democrats are pounding their fists on the table claiming it was a dirty trick.

This is an intentional distraction. Why is it a distraction? Because otherwise the media would be pointing out that a man who spent no money at all and had zero name recognition beat the Democrats’ chosen candidate. That would mean (1) the Democrats’ chosen candidate truly sucked or (2) Democrats in South Carolina are genuinely stupid.

Behold the healing power of “and”.

Proving it is both, the Democrats are set to run a candidate against Alvin Greene as an independent. Who did they pick? Linda Ketner.

If the name sounds familiar it is because Ketner ran against Congressman Henry Brown in 2008. Ketner is a lesbian, which is largely inconsequential, except that added to it she openly hates Christians because of Biblical teachings against homosexuality that non-Christ following preachers tend to avoid or lie about. In the South, however, its readily discussed except among Episcopalians.

So instead of going with the black man who the Democratic voters of South Carolina picked to go against DeMint, the Democrats will fall back on the Christian hating lesbian voters have already rejected at the ballot in one of South Carolina’s congressional districts.

Maybe they should just give up.

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  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister
  • izoneguy

    No, I would rather they spend money, time & effort to show how really stupid they are.

  • johnt

    You have nothing to lose but elections, and think of all the fun you can have spewing your hate.
    Of course if you were smart you would let the media spew your hate for you and you would have kept your sex life to yourself. But certain types are expected to make spectacles of themselves in the endless search for causes. But things can backfire.

  • bostinks2

    are to the extreme left on the Overton Window scale to be elected.

  • shadowtax

    Democrats are running away from Meek in Florida to embrace a turncoat Republican, Charlie Crist. Democrats are running away from Greene in SC to embrace Linda Ketner, a white Congressional Candidate who failed to win in the perfect storm of 2008.

    I bet there are other examples out there, but maybe not so high profile. If the GOP did this, the media would shriek charges of racism from now until November.

    My guess is the Ketner move is designed to get the SC left to the polls election day. They will rally around the lesbian “anti-christianist” and show up to vote for down ticket Dems.

  • empiphis

    If you’re gonna lose why not lose with a black – soldier candidate?…This is racist.

  • spim

    they need to spend LOTS of their money and time on this

    every major Democrat should personally endorse their new pick

    . . .

    I’m buyin’ LOTS of popcorn for this one.

  • spim

    BWAH-HAH-HAH!!!!!

  • http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog/loren_heal Socrates

    His ideas, such as they are, stake out the stupid leftist grievance whiner territory pretty thoroughly. But it makes me happy that someone with no political talent and a weak personal story can still be in the game.

    Gives me hope, it does.

    I bet he beats her, too.

  • izoneguy

    Obama will make him the “Greene Czar”

  • Duke

    The Al Greene incident displays pretty accurately why the voters are rejecting not just the lliberal DemocRat party, but the national GOP as well. National organizations that have annointed their versions of their messiahs, the same people who gave us a nationwide loser in McLame in ’08, think we’ll now go down the same road with them? I don’t think so.

    The big pendulum is swinging back across the pit, and the necks of both the libs and the GOP are in the path. We WILL take out the trash in November!

  • Paul_In_Houston

    Nothing more needs saying. :-)

  • ZootSuit

    among many Blacks here in South Carolina. As I’ve said and at least intimated before, it is not a strange thing for Blacks to condemn Democrats and liberals as “racists.” As I was just joking with a (White conservative) friend of mine the other day, just go to any Black barbershop. (Some of you might get the reference and … well … it is true.)

    The problem is that conservatives and Republicans to often come across as racists, too. So if you think both sides are racists — and I am not saying that both or either side is truly racists, just addressing the (mis)perception that they are — then what incentive is there for switching from the Democrats to the Republicans.

    Better the “(White) devil” you know than the “(White) devil” you don’t, so to speak.

    Considering some of my recent posts, I am sorry to sound like “Johnny one-note” but, quite frankly, one of the problems I see is that too many conservatives don’t want to face the problem.

    “States’ rights” anyone?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I’m not giving up federalism, a fundamental principle of the Constitution, for the purpose of pandering.

  • jenniferjmilleresq

    graciousness and sincerity in contrast to the racist, crooked, and arrogant S.C. Democratic Party. Whatever Alvin Greene is or is not, I believe he is sincere in seeking this Senate seat. He challenged DeMint to a debate in September and althought it will be a challenge, I believe it presents DeMint with a huge opportunity to not only communicate what he stands for, but also by his graciousness and sincerity, to demonstrate how low the Democratic Party is in there treatment of Greene. There couldn’t be a member of the Republican Party better prepared for that role.

  • ZootSuit

    And we conservatives show our ignorance when we try to conflate the two. (Note: I am not calling people who use the term “states’ rights” so profusely racist; I am calling them ignorant.)

    And that is even aside of the fact that the term “states’ rights” is justifiably inflammatory to a large segment of the American populace (including a few Whites).

    Indeed, if conservatives are going to argue that “states’ rights” is a synonym for federalism, then why not simply use the term “federalism” instead.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Don’t agree.

    I don’t agree with the PC-ification of the Republican Party, either.

  • ZootSuit

    Because when relatives and other people I personally know and love (some of whom would surprise you by their conservatism) who have personally experienced water hoses and police dogs being turned on them while the White citizenry was shouting “states’ rights!” in approval, I think their finding the term “states’ rights” inflammatory perfectly justifiable.

    This is an unavoidable fact of American history that, unfortunately, too many White conservatives are consciously trying to forget.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    And I will not play patty cake with bigots who will prejudge me on the color of my skin.

  • ZootSuit

    If you are addressing my second paragraph that many White conservatives are consciously trying to forget that their are still many Black Americans alive who personally experienced “Jim Crow” and the call of “states’ rights” in their life, then you most certainly did.

    Your argument — indeed, your verbatim quote — is that you “don’t agree” that their aversion to the term “states’ right” and their extreme apprehension of those who are now making it some sort clarion call. I think you are absolutely wrong, Neil Stevens.

    But again, then we’ll just have to disagree.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    who make up a very large portion of the Democratic party there, themselves racist? After all, did they vote for this unknown guy, Greene, because the only things they knew about him was that he was a democrat, and his skin was black?

    This is a continuation of our previous discussion. You do not want to consider the bigotry within the black community as a source of election day motivation.

    If black people are excepted to show 95% racial solidarity in every election, then other ethnic groups will be under pressure to do the same.

  • ZootSuit

    didn’t even know Alvin Greene was Black. Let alone vote for him. Indeed, I have neither read nor heard anything about the racial makeup of the Democratic primary vote. Let me ask you, what have you actually seen or heard that indicates that the racial makeup of voters for Vic Rawl was significantly different from that of Alvin Greene?

    Is it just your assumption or do you have facts to back up your claim?

    Fact of the matter is, Vic Rawl was a big unknown himself (cf. http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_SC_527.pdf)

    As for the “bigotry” within the Black community, my point is and remains that from the rhetoric often heard from (White) conservatives, whether intentional or not, there is little incentive for Blacks not to vote for Democrats. The thinking is better the (liberal) racist you know than the (conservative) racist you don’t. You may agree or disagree but that is the thinking.

    And quite frankly, although I disagree such thinking, I personally it perfectly reasonable and understandable.

  • pilgrim

    Who is Joseph Hayne Rainey? And which political party he was a member of. How many of them that have heard of pitchfork Ben Tillman also know what political party he was a member of.

    There appears to be a lot that is never taught or conveniently being overlooked by some in the black community.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    So no, I don’t know the answer, What I do know is that there is a remarkable tendency in the Black Community to vote for black candidates whom they either know nothing about, or know a lot of bad things like Marion Berry or William Jefferson. This is aside from the other tendency to support Democrats.

    It is part of what I was saying earlier. Black Americans have marginalized themselves and are continuing to do so. They finally got a Black President, fat lot of good that does anyone. But they continually throw away their votes by being monolithic and predictable.

    In the first place, if they think, as you say, nearly every white person is a racist regardless of party, then that in of itself is a racist attitude.
    And a false one. In the second place, if they will give their vote to one party all the time then sure that party will take them for granted and the other one will give up on trying to reach out to them.

    The reason I have been going on about this is that I want you to see the exasperation that a lot of white people have. We get the feeling that nothing is going to work, and black people will never wake up from their long delusion.

    I would love to work hand in hand with Black Americans who are socially conservative, or who are worried about illegal immigration, or who want school vouchers, or who have escaped the pitt of welfare dependency. But the reality is that I have to just watch while they hurt themselves over and over again.

  • aesthete

    either from a philosophical point of view, or as a pragmatic issue, any more than the federal government has “rights”. Individuals do, and those rights are recognized and protected by government. States do have a role in a Federalist system that is neither superior to nor subservient to that of the federal government, and this role exists partly for the same reason that the executive, judicial, and legislative branches exist: to preserve our freedom through checks and balances, and to allow some self-determination within a federalist framework. “States’ rights” mindlessly elevates the states at the expense of all other parts of the Federalist system, and just as the federal government’s all-encompassing role is harmful to that system, so is the fetishization of the states above all others.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    of blacks voting in SC primaries is just over 50%.

    Now, Rawl is not quite totally unknown, given his many years as a Circuit Judge. I know him..

    more later on the overall issue

  • ZootSuit

    How many White people do you think have even heard of Joseph Rainey?

    Or my personal favorite of the era, Hiram Rhodes Revels?

    But even more, there are many White conservatives, at least here in the South, who have effectively — if not explicitly — repudiated the Republican party of that era. You don’t know how many arguments I have gotten into with some of the “good old boys” here in South Carolina because they thought that “Lincoln was a tyrant” (often a verbatim quote) and that “‘we’ would be a lot freer if the South had won the war” (I am not joking). I guess because I am unabashedly conservative, they think I would agree with them.

    Indeed, even here on RedState we seem to have not a few “Lost Cause” revisionists. See some of the comments here:

    http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/05/09/jim-moran-d-calls-bobby-lee-a-patriot/

    (There was actually another thread containing even more explicit condemnations of Lincoln and the Republican Party but I admit that I cannot find it now.)

    But the funny thing is, many of those same White conservatives who disparage Abraham Lincoln and such are among the first ones to say to me things like, “Blacks should vote for the Republican Party because, after all, it is the party of Lincoln.”

    Even if you disagree with me about the Southern succession and moral worth of Abraham Lincoln — and please note, I am not saying or even assuming that you either agree or disagree with me, I am just making a conditional if statement — you must recognize the cognitive dissonance of those White conservatives.

    On many levels, both good and bad, I think many White conservatives and Black liberals would both be upset if they realized how very similar they are too each other.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    the victim dependents the Dem Party has depended on for generations and so they vote for the liberals. But in the Dem primary, I think the more likely reason for the Greene landslide is the position on the ballot and that those that knew Rawl’s name thought of it as an incumbent name and voted against that notion.

    more later

  • cabanon

    didn’t run any commercials, didn’t have any campaign signs and made no public appearances. So how would the people of SC know he was African American?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    in SC and any other state are not racist. So it can’t be reasonable that most blacks think that. Although I seriously doubt if most really think that, but anyway…

    What exactly do you mean by that and how, exactly are whites in SC deserving of such animus based on Race in AD 2010?

    Finally, what would you have whites do, to make racist assumptions about them not reasonable and understandable?

    I remember when most whites seemed to be racist in the late 60s and much of the 70s. I was with them when no Blacks were around.

    And I have seen a sea change. Racist jokes are not told and those that do so are social pariahs. Most whites have bought the moral argument and are not racist.

    If they were, I would continue to call them out now as I did in my own church in the 70s as a teenager.

    Migration by Blacks into SC has been great since the early 70s.

    You live there, right?

    peace and more later

    And given all I have dished out and knowing that you are smarter than me and may be able to win this debate even if you are wrong (being a lawyer, I respect that talent! my wives never did…), I may have to study before I respond. I respect your intellect that much, and I’m not in the mood to be slam dunked by a guy in a zoot suit just now!

    smile brother

  • ZootSuit

    In fact, I know many even Black liberals who have said the same thing. Even as they, unfortunately, continue to vote the straight Democratic Party line.

    And I neither said nor implied that “they” think that “nearly every white person is a racist regardless of party.” Maybe every politician — White or Black, liberal or conservative — but, hey, it’s getting to the point where I’m not to far from that opinion.

    But seriously, the number or percentage of Black people who say that “nearly every White person is a racist” is indeed very small. And I personally condemn it every time I hear it. But that does not mean that there are no White conservative racists anymore. Indeed, look at some of the comments from some of Andre Bauer’s supporters just a few weeks ago (and how Gresham Barrett is beginning to seem intent on taking that mantle up now).

    But, quite frankly, how are the ignorant if not racists comments of the few Blacks who say things like “early every white person is a racist” much different from your comments like these here:

    http://www.redstate.com/simpson316/2010/06/09/yet-another-example-of-tea-party-violence/#comment-422

    Because Black Americans or mostly bigots. Pure and simple. In addition they are horribly ignorant about economics and guilty of groupthink.

    Because, quite frankly, if the comments by such Blacks are ignorant and racist (and they are), then so are comments like your’s above.

    And because of comments like that — and yes, the use of “whistle words” and phrases like “states’ rights” even if not intended to be so — do re-enforce the stereotype of White conservatives being racists.

    “Vote for the crook, it’s important”
    http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110004262

  • ZootSuit
  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    That Lincoln was a tyrant, AND that he did the right thing.

    To lament the death of states rights and the growth of the federal government, AND to be happy that you don’t live in a racist, backward, elitist Confederate States of America.

    That is the entire nature of the race struggle in this country, mixed blessings and mixed sorrows.

  • pilgrim

    I went back and reread that piece Moe wrote, and the comments just to see if I had made any. The one comment Becker made about how the winners get to write the history may not be quite true. The war between the states may be an example of when the losers got to revise and extend and ignore entire segments of US history immediately before, during and immediately after that war. Yes I have seen a few examples of revisionist history too.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    but they were based on my observations, it is what I have seen and continue to see. Maybe I was painting with too broad a brush, but there was some accuracy there too.

    If there were no truth to my words then how do you explain black voters voting repeatedly for crooks who rip them off ? (and I am not only accusing Black Americans I would through others in the same boat, like the white idiots in Massachusetts who keep electing Kennedy’s and my own people the Cajuns, who voted over and over for Edwin Edwards and the Landrieu’s).

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    Al Green the soul singer.

  • ZootSuit

    And let me say, in case I have been misunderstood:

    The overwhelmingly vast majority of White Republicans and even White Democrats in South Carolina and any other state are NOT racist!

    But I do fear is that many of the same political pathologies — such as the use of “whistle words”, victimology mindset, groupthink, stereotyping of everyone and always ascribing to them the worst and possibly racist motives who disagrees with you — that I (we both?) condemned and still condemn among Blacks and liberals (who are not necessarily the same) is now becoming just as prevalent among Whites and conservatives (who, again, are not necessarily the same).

    I am sorry but if I condemn such things when I see it among Blacks and liberals, then my personal integrity forces me to condemn such things when I see it among Whites and conservatives.

    And yes, I do live in South Carolina.

  • ZootSuit

    I agree with you in that I think it is wrong, silly, and … well … wrong the way most Blacks vote. Hey, after all, I am still a Black conservative.

    The only thing I am saying is that when Black people read and hear things like what you wrote above (and you admit that perhaps your words went to far) and they hear the persistent use of terms such as “states’ rights” (which does have a nefarious history of use and justification in the United States), they are justifiably repulsed by how they see White conservatives defining themselves.

    I will even go so far as to say that I think the MSM actively and purposefully promotes the idea that White conservatives are racists — and again, I adamantly disagree with that — but even I must admit that White conservatives do give their opponents the ammunition to be labeled as such.

    And like you said, look at some of the White candidates who have been elected. Or as an analogy I often use, “if you are mystified why Blacks always vote for Democrats even when they know that that is not in their best interest, then conservatives need to start asking themselves why they always vote for the (often very liberal) Republican even when they know that that is not in their best interest.

    Because, honestly, I think the answer to both questions are quite similar.

  • ZootSuit

    and a funny one at that. It honestly did make me grin.

    But even if they really did think that they were voting for the soul singer Al Green, is there any evidence that a greater percentage of White Democrats voted for Alvin Greene because they thought he was Al Green than Black Democrats who voted for Alvin Greene because they thought he was Al Green?

    cabanon asks a good question?

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    It is just that I get so frustrated by these viewpoints which I had to live with my whole life growing up in Louisiana, with both whites and blacks.

    And I worry about what this all means with Obama, since it is starting to look seriously that his will be another failed presidency. I worry that many blacks will accuse racist white America with not supporting him because he was black.

    His election certainly has not caused any easing of race tensions so far.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    it is certain that Marvin Gaye could not be elected to anything now in days because of those homophobe right wingers!

  • renny

    Dems. will split between Crist and Meeks in Fl and they’ll split between Green and What’s her face in the Carolinas and if the stars are aligned correctly, the Reps./cons. will win as happened just an election ago in HW.

    Let’s take what we can where we can.

    Libs. are without question racist pigs. Just look at what they’ve done to Camden and Detroit and the entire US public school system. “nuff said.

  • ZootSuit

    The only thing I will say is that, now, I do not believe that Obama per se is the cause of the racial tensions. Don’t get me wrong, I think he has done a lot of things wrong even here. But I think, unfortunately, that just from the different “life experiences” of most Blacks and Whites that whoever the first Black President turned out to be, these issues would be raised.

    Seriously, if President Zootsuit abolished all farm subsidies (like I would), I am certain that many “good old boys” would be condemning me as being hostile to that fundamental aspect of American life, the agribusiness conglomerate small family farm.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    especially if you got rid of ethanol subsidies.

  • ZootSuit

    your “Marvin Gaye” comment actually made me laugh.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    in Chicago!

  • cabanon
  • Adjoran

    She’s an heiress with money to burn, apparently.

    This is great news for Republicans if Democrats repudiate their own duly elected black candidate in favor of a rich white woman with no real experience. (She didn’t really ever threaten Henry Brown, who was possibly the most vulnerable incumbent in SC-01 in more than half a century).

    If there is one thing SC Democrats should know, it is they cannot win if blacks stay home. So what do they do? Everything they can to offend the black voters! Cheese and rice, people, it isn’t as if they could have beaten DeMint this year anyway! They have no chance at that – but they might have made a race of it in the Governor’s contest, since the seat is now open, and helped their down-ticket with a strong black turnout.

  • http://www.periodictablet.com superamerican

    Don;t for a moment, a microsecond, believe the Left will give up. It is this kind of thinking that causes the Right to lose. The Left is committed to burying the America we used to have. Committed! The Right is alarmingly lackadaisical when they (we) are in

  • p3orion

    Obama senior adviser David Axelrod said Greene was not a “legitimate” candidate and called his victory “a mysterious deal.” (Yes, how could a young African-American man with strange origins, suspicious funding, shady associations, no experience, no qualifications, and no demonstrable work history come out of nowhere and win an election?)

  • http://www.periodictablet.com superamerican

    The Left will never give up. They are committed to winning at all costs to the country. The mere mention that they should or might is wrong…They are in it to the end…the end of America. The lackadaisacal attitude of some of those on the Right is alarming. Bush allowed the Left to make great strides, with the consent of the Republicans in Congress. Where did this get us? Creeping socialism turned into a gallop. Obama and the Democratic Congress has ripped up the Constitution and completely disregard the Rule of Law — a basic foundation of our society. Bribery, extortion, propagandistic lies are all the basic foundatiuon of the Left. Every one of us rational, country-loving citizens must realize that we are in a Second Civil War — a fight to the end. If they win — and have no doubt they are — it is the end, the end of the country we love.

    FIGHT. DONATE. DISSENT. VOTE. Don’t give a quarter (as they used to say).

    IT COULD BE THE END.

    And, of course, read my conservative blog: http://www.periodictablet.com