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Going Where I Shouldn’t. Saying What I Shouldn’t.

In victory one is supposed to be magnanimous — a polysyllabic word for not being a sore winner.

The race in Utah, the attacks on Jim DeMint, the other problematic issues behind the scenes, etc. test the limits of magnanimity.

I am going to go where I shouldn’t go and say what I shouldn’t say.

Some of you are really, really not going to like it.

The race in Utah is the ultimate battle between those who are Republicans first and those who are conservatives first. The potential of a Democrat win is so minuscule that the center-right coalition can have the fight it must have.

Establishment oriented groups who got fat and happy with years of Republican dominance in Washington wanted a return to the status quo ante. They did not want to reform. They did not want to cut back.

For a number of years people like Bob Bennett and Tim Bridgewater helped blur the lines between the Democrats and Republicans. Pro-life statists, except when they weren’t pro-life, they lived off the government teet, misdirected and abused taxpayer dollars, and drove up the size of government to uncontrollable levels.

But it was okay, because they have an R next to their name.

And with them are Republican consultants who also have R’s next to their names and who care about nothing but the acquisition of power and consulting fees. These are the people who can give you trite explanations about what the difference between a Democrat and a Republican is, but at the end of the day, for them, it really boils down to kissing the tax payer after screwing them instead of just leaving.

When Bob Bennett knew he was going to lose — and contrary to what you may have heard, Bob Bennett knew before the Utah Convention he was going to lose — his campaign and Bridgewater’s campaigns collaborated and set about destroying Mike Lee.

They unleashed the crazy that is Cherilyn Eager and drummed up bull stories to vilify people like Jim DeMint. The desperate act of trying to cling to power drove them over the edge.

In so doing, they decided to poison the well against Jim DeMint. This morning as the sun rises in Utah, Bridgewater supporters are getting up and cussing Jim DeMint, a man who did absolutely nothing but say nice things about Mike Lee. But don’t tell Bridgewater supporters that. Despite no evidence, they believe.

So what’s the point of all of this? Why am I going here and scratching open wounds? It’s simple:

The people we fight on our side are not always our friends and are sometimes more our enemies than the left. Why? Because we know where the left stands. We know they oppose us. But these others — they pretend to be on our team and work quietly, sometimes with the left, to undermine conservatives and freedom.

The people we fought in Utah — not Bridgewater directly but the interests behind the scenes who helped him, funded him, and attacked people like Jim DeMint — would burn our fields and drive us from our homes in the old days. They would show us no mercy because they think we, perversely, are out to destroy the GOP by denying them the right to get back in charge of the American Treasury.

So we must do to them what they would do to us and show no mercy. But we must pick our battles carefully and with wisdom. Sometimes, like it or not, we must fight on the same side with them.

But that is why I hope Mike Lee pursues, to the fullest extent, the FEC complaint against Tim Stewart and the anonymous mailer.

If we keep giving these people a pass they will keep working to undermine us. The fight for freedom means we must discern who really is with us.

You may not like that. But it is the truth.

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COMMENTS

  • michigan

    and I liked it. It’s the bitter truth that must be swallowed. This is not some “political cleansing?, it’s product purification.

  • http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog/loren_heal Socrates

    That is all.

  • yankeedoodledandette

    I like the truth!!

    You went where you should have, and said what needs to be said..over and over and over.

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    n/t

  • Brian Hibbert

    And we’ll support you.

  • momo

    say it over and over Erick!!!!!

  • rec0n

    I like it just fine, thanks. I watched that battle, the quality of the individuals waging it and the pettiness and personal attacks they used. I saw the Bridgewater offer to help Lee across the finish line last night, and hope the Lee team would have enough sense to decline their particular brand of assistance.

    Some things need to be said and actions paid for. Cause and effect.

  • chihank

    Steve Schmidt calls Huckabee a “deep thinker”. LOL! Having Schmidt praise you is like Code Pink vouching for your patriotism.

    If any Republican candidate uses Schmidt’s services, he or she deserved to lose.

  • acat

    The D.C. wing of the GOP no longer represents the party as a whole, and needs to be brought to heel.

    Reagan made a start at it, but was only one man, with no good way to keep the revolution going after his second term.

    Gingrich started strong, but either was just using conservatism as talking points or fell victim to his own ego, not quite sure.

    This time around, the internet gives us a way to see and meet fellow travelers – in real time – to research races with national impact without losing our day jobs or, I suppose, making politics our day jobs.

    I do hope we all understand what this means – conservatives will have to figure out how to govern – because we can’t just hand it all back to the squishies again.

    Mew

  • ref1

    Erick,

    I’m a big Mike Lee fan, very happy he won. But I am curious after what you said about Bridgewater – would you have supported him if he won the primary?

    Thanks, and keep up the good fight.

  • acat

    Wondering if I’ll get called venomous again…

    Mew

  • http://www.800cart.com Ron Robinson

    “But we must pick our battles carefully and with wisdom..”

    Please hold forth more on that idea, Erick!

    People like me just joined the front lines of this battle. Newly elected to our CCs, we must find ways to oppose our county and state GOP machines without losing our jobs or our influence. As just happened here in LA, the county can finance primary campaigns to finance the candidates they like having on the Central Committee and exclude the CC members who have ’caused trouble’.

    If you know anything at all about the recent situation in LA, you’ll know that some of the rebels did choose some pretty poor strategies.

    But what’s much, much worse, is the local party spending $$ to defeat committee members they don’t like.

    Ideas?

  • spim

    then there’s only one way to look at things
    … paraphrasing C.S. Lewis (which someone here has as a great sig)

    but till someone speaks up and says the right thing … or opens a door to show a way out … then we’re all just wandering deaf, dumb and blind (mostly self-inflicted)

    thank you for *daring* to speak your mind … for most of us here find we are of the *same* mind

  • saintgeorgegentile

    Where’s arc_ut and/or utah_cares?

  • rdelbov

    to look at Tim Bridewater ads and campaign over the last 5 weeks and to believe it was all about Jim DiMint is just plain silly.

    To believe that two months ago Bob Bennett decided to use the Bridgewater and Eager campaigns as the tools to defeat Mike Lee is to believe that there were three marksman up on the grass knoll in 1963.

    I perfer to believe in the chaos factor of campaigns. Of course if Cheryl Eager thought Mike Lee was the one true conservative in the race she would be up for Sainthood right now at this site.

    Some folks believe you are either with or against us.

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    Before anybody gets all hot and bothered over that statement, let me explain.

    The fastest growing voting body are independents and it’s a “place” where a lot of conservatives went because of just the above, people like Bridgewater and Bennett and Crist and… the list is long. As long as we allow them to stay “in the party” there won’t be enough room for the conservatives to return to help clean up this Big Tent.

    That’s not to say all of those who are considered “moderate” but those we know will never be convinced of the rightness of anything but their own power grabbing, money grubbing philosophies.

    The media tries to portray independents as left leaning but given their sentiments towards what Obama and Co. have been doing, I don’t think it is as clear cut as the media says.

  • Oz

    In many states (such as California, Oregon, Washington), a Bridgewater (i.e. someone with his POLICIES) would be very welcome.

    Shoot, I’d take Bob Bennett if he were from Illinois, California, etc.

    Now, if you want to kick out SCHMIDT himself or CRIST himself then that is different. But you don’t want to kick out everyone who is not exactly like what you want in a Republican.

  • Bill S

    http://www.redstate.com/users/arc_ut/
    http://www.redstate.com/users/utah_cares/

    and note their “registered dates”.

    I’ll leave it at that.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Because Colorado is not Utah. The probability of the Democrat winning here is roughly 50/50, even in this climate.

    Sure, let’s have the battle, but let’s keep it clean and on the issues. That way, no matter who wins the Republican nomination, we can all rally behind him or her and defeat the Democrat.

  • JadedByPolitics

    ………

  • http://www.inthisdimension.com inthisdimension

    Exactly, exactly correct.

    RINOs are more the enemy than Democrats and it is past time for this to be acknowledged.

    Thanks.

  • constitutionalconservative

    I joined RS post-2008 election after years of lurking because RS and its editors were willing to fight this fight while others weren’t. Yesterday was a great day (and not just because of Mike Lee) but we have a long way to go– and many battles to fight with our so-called “friends” before we can emerge victorious.

  • honorable

    We have to now do what we know we have to do to purge the establishment GOP in Washington. If we don’t , we will repeat 2006 in 2012. And the next time, we will have no hope of saving our Republic.

  • Oz

    Couldn’t agree more NightTwister.

    I prefer Buck, but it’s silly to castigate Norton.

    AND after the primary, we most definitely need to close ranks.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    :)

  • E Pluribus Unum

    :)

  • constitutionalconservative

    That CO is not Utah. That is what picking our battles is about.as Utah was one we *had* to win, and by doing so, we assured ourselves a true conservative leader in the Senate for years.

    At the same time, with respect to CO the polls clearly show Ken Buck can with there. And there is no reason not to aggressively advocate for him. My desire to kiss and make up after the primary will be directly correlated to the standards shown by the Norton campaign.

  • MCPO_Airdale

    So it is written, so shall it be done.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    You prefer not to elect someone for a 6 year hitch who can’t wipe her nose without having a staffer help.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    Does that break or support your analogy? I lost track.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    Does that break or support your analogy? I lost track.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    These are the people who can give you trite explanations about what the difference between a Democrat and a Republican is, but at the end of the day, for them, it really boils down to kissing the tax payer after screwing them instead of just leaving.

    It’s past time to take back our bodies and lock up those predators to keep them away from our children. And we’re doing it, one smuck after another.

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    That?s not to say all of those who are considered ?moderate? but those we know will never be convinced of the rightness of anything but their own power grabbing, money grubbing philosophies.

  • Flagstaff

    Being right.

  • shermantank

    Rest assured, that, even though we may not be posting every day, we are not asleep at the wheel. The majority of us are holding down a majority of forts utilizing a multitude of talent in this unprecedented balancing act.

    ALL of us must be in overdrive for November. Where I might disagree with you is here: we cannot afford to let up for one minute. “Lame Duck” has to be embedded in the brain. Take a vacation *after* November.

    As an aside: The next time you (Eric) are on Hannity, tell him to quit interrupting when you are speaking. [Make no mistake I AM A FAN of Hannity] But I want to hear what the guests have to say — especially YOU. There’s too much commentary from him and he keeps cutting off the guests thinking he’s furthering the conversation, he is not, he’s stifling it. You’ve tried to say a few things when asked on that show, and he cut you off asking question after question but I never heard a complete ANSWER. He did the same thing to Meatloaf who was on earlier this week. We need to make the most out of shows like that as we have so few opportunities to do so.

  • jaybo

    It is really no longer Republicans vs. Democrats. It is now Conservatives vs. Progressives as the fate of the nation rests on our ability to change the way Washington DC is run.

    We have to continue to remind ourselves that we fight for our children’s future. Something that some professional politicians cannot understand because they have prostituted themselves to money and power.

    Keep up the good work Erick!!!!!

  • streiff

    on the grassy knoll you are okay, three or more shooters and you’re crazy.

  • shermantank

    Excellent post, succinct — the problem is: WE HAVE TO GET REPUBLICANS TO READ THIS. They need to understand what you have just said! That’s the hard part. The Republicans are TIRED and have gotten lazy. PLEASE KEEP REPEATING WHAT YOU WROTE.

    It IS the Republican ESTABLISHMENT that got us in this mess. People, you need to understand that. These Senators and Representatives are too comfortable and have way too many perks to want to leave. Just look at the campaigning and compare it to what happens after they are elected: Nothing! Promise after promise, baby kissing after baby kissing. WE MUST STOP IT.

  • rdelbov

    Utah was about the very conservative against the Very conservative who was supported by Jim DeMint. plain and simple. Then the Lee people feed Bridgewater trash to Erick and it got posted here.

    I might add that Mike Lee’s campaign did not try to peddle any of this junk to Utah media because they actually have to be accountable to editors-readers and information has to have some sort of semblance to facts. Only on Redstate did we see Drug Lords for Bridgewater.

    I like Buck and Jane Norton. I think its beyond petty to attack Norton on a personal level. Norton served Ronald Reagan and Bill Armstrong in DC. Look up conservative Icons and those two names are in the top 10. Bill Armstrong was the DeMint and Coburn of his time. Just having the support of Bill Armstrong means that Norton deserves our respect. We have already seen Erick attack her intelligence on this site several times. Just as I deplored people who attacked Reagan’s brains I think Norton should be picked on such a way.

    You want to be pro-Buck have at it but don’t tear down a good conservative.

  • jaydickb

    You are right on the money. I also like the term “statist”. I think it accurately describes many mainstream Republicans that have been in office a long time.

    George Bush was a statist — he thought the government can do all kinds of good things. He liked No Child Left Behind even though it intruded mightily into state and local affairs. He liked the Social Security “reform” that didn’t reform anything. He was no conservative.

    Real conservatives are very skeptical of government’s ability to do good things. If government must do something, it should be done at the level closest to the people.

  • jaybo

    If Bridgewater would win in other “more progressive” states it simply means that we need to work at the grassroots levels to educate the voters of those states of the false hope and lie that is the progressive movement.

    Education is really an important element that cannot be ignored. It is a job that makes each of us important in our own sphere of influence.

    Oz, you need to understand that at this critical moment in time for this country. Slowly bleeding to death (by compromising) is as fatal as complete destruction now.

  • Blue_State_Refugee

    would be more appropriate and succinct, in my opinion.

  • deano64

    moderates and RINOS? I get what you are saying but the republicans of each state will make their own choices. And once they do we should support that candidate. But I whole heartedly believe that conservatives can win in places like California, Washington, Oregon and the Northeast. We must continue to support the most conservative candidates no matter what the state. It is wrong to accept the idea that in some states we will just have to accept that we are going to get squishy moderates and RINOS from here to eternity. It’s ok for us to accept that in this election year we didn’t get our guy or gal after each state has made their choice. But in the following election cycle we must continue the fight. If we do not we have already conceeded defeat.

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    I think even California is going to learn those lessons, whether it wants to or not.

    The problem with any other kind of educating the voters there is California’s government controlling the message to the point where educating the voters is darn near impossible.

  • arnehartmann

    The real enemy are those statists who want to control our purse, and as a result, our lives. There are so many of these types who are now embedded into the corruption that is Washington D.C. Those with R’s behind their name are just a little more sly about their intentions, whereas those with D’s behind their names have forsaken all pretense surrounding their real intentions. Slyness or blatant disregard for the wishes of the public is the only difference these days between the establishment R’s and the D’s. We have a real fight on our hands because we the people have not “minded the store” like we should have and like the Founders and Framers intended.

  • http://aposematic.wordpress.com aposematic

    I usually take your “take” on things with several grains of salt; but, on this you are spot on.

    For the past 87 years, with a very few exceptions, America has had a two party system working for the same ends–Big Government. ((Our Republic turned into a Democracy (mob, fad rule) after the 17th Amendment (1923) to our Constitution.)) The only things the two parties pretend to disagree are for the most part fictional “social” problems.

    It is way past time for America’s citizens to have a real choice in elections; I am so very tired of having to hold my nose at the voting booth.

    It seems the water fountains at CNN HQ isn’t the reason they are failing after all.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Get over it, you lost fair and square.

  • Joshua Persons

    Compare to last post dates.

  • jb13

    Call it an educated guess. But I’m willing to wager that most of those who are using the occasion of the Mike Lee win in Utah to beat the drums for a philosophical cleansing of the Republican Party nationwide are people who live in states in which the Democrats (and I mean real hardcore, left-wing Democrats, like Obama and Pelosi) haven’t set policy decisions for generations, or at least within recent memory, or ever. Those people don’t understand that the party lines are not as cut-and-dried as they would like to believe. For instance, a candidate running as a Democrat in a state like Utah would be painted as a right-wing nutbag in states like Illinois, California or New York. Your hero of the day and mine, Chris Christie, would be villified by conservatives if he had run for governor in some other states.

    My point? Pick. Your. Battles. Erick had it right on. In places like Utah, moderation should not be tolerated. We need to elect real conservatives in places where real conservatives make up a large swath of the electorate. But there are places in this country where real conservatives win very rarely, and moderation is necessary to achieve governing majorities. If you have never lived in a state like this, I would kindly ask you to please remember those of us who do.

  • boneyard

    I agree completely with what you have said here. However, I wonder why you weren’t saying it in 2008 and even earlier. Doesn’t George Bush really belong in this same category? He spent money recklessly. He urged an irresponsible monetary policy on the Fed, and started an unnecessary war at the behest of inside the beltway special interests. And John McCain was even worse.

    Obama is doing almost all the wrong things, but what’s wrong about them is that they are pretty much the same things that George Bush was doing only bigger. We don’t need to be putting up ‘Democrat lite’ candidates, but it would have been far better if we had taken that position when ‘our’ people still held the power.

  • Richard Mullins

    It wasn’t hard to figure it. He’s a big tribble and he was a re-tread. Most of us figured that he was a re-tread, but it took a while to get him kicked out on his re-tread account.

  • jaybo

    But you have to be prepared for a long struggle.

    The first election that I participated in was in 1980. The first president I ever cast a vote for was Ronald Reagan. Unfortunately, conservatives at the grassroots level accepted the word of career politicians that “claimed” to be on the side of the conservative movement. It was at a time that we truly did not see the hold that progressives had on The Republican Party. But those days are gone now because the mask is finally off and we now see clearly. Politicians now must be held to the standard in which they claim to adhere.

    It was a mistake that we cannot risk again for the sake of our country’s future.

  • friendoftruth

    I was on the ground in the Republican convention that selected Lee and Bridgewater. Not only was it not as Erick Erickson spins but if you look carefully at what Erickson has written about the Utah race over the past few days you’ll see that much of what he wrote was not true. He, of course, knows this. That is why he writes: “we must do to them what they would do to us and show no mercy.” Not only is he wrong about the Republicans in Utah not willing to show him mercy (they’ve been more than willing to work together despite the lies and personal attacks), but it is a sorry excuse of a person who is willing to destroy the country and all that is good because of an unsubstantiated paranoia. To promote a blatant liar because of some ill defined political philosophy (both were Tea Party candidates but Bridgewater was clearly the more capable of the two) belies Erickson’s true agenda.

    Erickson insisted Jim DeMint was not part of the Lee campaign. Now he uses the DeMint connection as part of his justification for his mean-spirited, and dishonest attacks. When were you lying, then or now?

    Erickson argues: “Sometimes, like it or not, we must fight on the same side with them.” but doesn’t seem to realize when you burn bridges and lie to make political points there are few if any that want to fight on whatever side you may be on because you are clearly not on the side of America.

  • partyof1

    wouldn’t it be better to just go along and get along?

    and not rock the boat?

    I mean we as a nation could still have a few more comfortable years of living off of our children by continuing to borrow and and spend at these levels.

    and we could protect our party seats by avoiding any of those controversial “spending cuts” yuk!

    /sar
    casm

  • Wubbies World

    These people are a more dangerous enemy to conservatives and they must be driven out and defeated.

    At least the Democrats don’t wear sheep’s clothing before they stab you in the back.

    These people do, and smile as they do it.

  • deano64

    was less than helpful in my quest to become a PC. When I finally got a call back from him about a week after I left him a message he put up a bit of a smokescreen. He asked me to fill out the nomination application (which I already had scanned and ready to email to him). Then he said the county board of supervisors would have to decide if they wanted me. I checked the county website and the board of supervisors meeting was scheduled about a week beofre the filing deadline. I repeatedly called the chairman to request a list of registerd Republican voters in my precinct so I could get my signatures. No repsonse. I than joined my local tea party group and posted and blog about my experience. Someone replied and said you need to talk to so and so. I did and magically the local chairman responded with enerything I needed.

  • Scope

    and now you come here crying about Erick Erickson. It’ll be interesting to see if you make it through your second day here. It’s doubtful.

  • http://www.objectivistcenter.org/ Eric Olsen

    WTF are you talking about, man???

    Did someone allow DU to start posting here and NOT circulate the memo????

  • http://lazarusreport.blogtownhall.com/ Tom Lesser

    Eric, I could not agree more. Until November we must fight for conservatives. Come November, better to vote for an R than a D.

  • StandardCandle

    Both Bennett and Bridgewater… misrepresent themselves as “would be” conservatives… as far as I’m concerned someone willing to hide their Rino heart, behind popular speech among the electorate vs. R’s in states that are up front with their shortcomings in the conservative arena is day vs. night.

    The key is honestly representing yourself, not “trying to get elected” then ignoring the electorate’s wishes.

    When you dabble in malicious deception, you’re not representing ANYTHING Republican…

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Some of us are trying to achieve that. It won’t happen by getting Republicans to read this, that, or the other thing.

    It’s a pure numbers game. If you want to have a more conservative Republican Party in terms of its make-up and, hence, elected leadership (I’m talking about the internal leadership, from the local Party legislative district committee meetings to the county, state and RNC leadership positions, you have to recruit more conservative registered Republicans to take the next step and become precinct committeemen. That’s why Bob Bennett got tossed. Not because anyone wrote anything about the fact that he was not really conservative. Bennett got tossed because grass roots conservatives in Utah figured out the Republican Party caucus system, showed up for the caucuses in droves, elected conservative delegates, and then got Bennett tossed at the convention. They did it through political action INSIDE the Republican Party itself.

    Every one reading this should ask themselves these questions:

    What’s the name of my precinct?
    What are its geographic boundaries?
    Who are the Republican Party precinct committeemen within it?
    Where does my local Republican Party committee meet?
    When does it meet?
    What does the inside of the room where it meets look like?

    If you know the answers to those questions, it is highly likely you are in the real ball game of politics. It’s played at your local GOP committee meetings.

    If you don’t, get busy.

    For Liberty,
    ColdWarrior, PC (that?s ?precinct committeeman,? not ?political child!?)
    Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW! (132 days until Nov. 2 — what are YOU DOING to help get out the vote in your precinct?)

  • Scope

    I thought it was funny to see a headline over at the Hill, The National Republicans Get Their Candidates. That made me laugh.

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    that the government steps in to control the message, a la Joe the Plumber. That makes it darn near impossible on a large scale.

    However, there is always “talk on the street” avenues and the death throes of the entire state to make such education more lasting than at any other time before.

  • http://www.objectivistcenter.org/ Eric Olsen

    …the fact that this guy waited a whole day-and-a-half to tap his spleen???

    Their dedication to American destruction is admirable, if not thoroughly repugnant.

  • ralatredstate

    Seems to me that the anti-Scott ads are outrageous.

    (The ads accuse Scott of heading a healthcare company that was fined billions for Medicare fraud and that denied care [wrongfully? - that is the insinuation]).

    I can’t definitively evaluate the ads’ veracity, but unless they’re absolutely true and non-misleading, they’re almost a crime against the republic.

    If they were absolutely true and non-misleading, wouldn’t Rick Scott be in jail?

    And you can be sure that they will be used against Scott in November if he wins the primary.

    “What doesn’t kill me makes me stronger”? Maybe, provided there’s not another battle coming soon.

  • Richard Mullins

    That’s the only way to explain it. arc_ut/utah_cares is no more but his other tribbles are. I hope all the key players in Utah will back the candidate that won and help him raise money. Even Mitch McConnell is helping Rand Paul know that he won, so it’s up to the Big guys to do their part. I only hope that Mike Lee won’t do anything stupid like talk to Rachel Maddow.

  • Oz

    It would have been better to sleep on it.

    Bridgewater is unlikely a monster although I understand there was some dirty pool played.

    99.9% of Bridgewater supporters were simply pulling for who they thought was best and are outstanding Republicans.

    If you are going to vilify “Bridgewater supporters” as you do above, then you should either name names or say “a small group of Bridgewater supporters.”

    I was in for Lee and am glad to have him, but I think you cast too wide of a net of dispersion in this piece.

  • Castor

    The sage of conservatism said, ” Vote for the most conservative Republican in the primary who can win in November.

  • mriggio

    Acknowledged.

    So, what’s your point?

  • jackhammer

    Is Erick Jack or Locke? Who else is on our island?

  • eburke

    WAAAAHHH!!!!!

  • eburke
  • taxmaiden

    Just sayin…

  • ceili_dancer

    I live in CA and pushed hard for Devore. Before that Mclintock, all the way to the support of Dukeamjian. The downfall of the Republican brand in the state of CA came with Pete Wilson sucking up the lifeblood of the party and dissuading the conservatives to actually taking part in the process. When you call yourself a conservative and govern like a liberal you have the problem of deflating the brand. The liberals in CA are very vocal and motivated while the conservatives keep low and do not want to cause a scene and run their lives. We really haven’t had the chance to organize for the last couple of decades, so we’ve been behind the curve. Now, we do realize we have a fight on our hands and we need leaders like Christie who are unapolagetic to what reality is pushing on every state in some form or another.
    The point about Christie being vilified in other states belies the fact that any post on the front page has all kinds of kind words and calls for cloning runs in reverse of what you say.

  • rdelbov

    I agree with our Utah poster who said that convention picked Bridgewater over Lee for the simple they preffered him as a conservative over Lee. That’s not a hit on Lee but a preference for Bridgewater.

    The Pro-Lee forces-especially here at Redstate-demonized Bridgewater and really spend some little time talking about Lee’s good points.

    Self appointed RINO hunters have to have an evil foe to hunt.

  • StandardCandle

    The real question is whether you believe Bridgewater did anything wrong…

    If you’re wondering… He did. Although it hasn’t been proven that he was involved in the temple flyer or whether it will ever be proven… that doesn’t matter… what matters is the fact that Bridgewater went after Jim DeMint, and LIED about what DeMint had said, and iinferred DeMint wasn’t on the up and up, and was attempting to destroy his campaign.

    You see… endorsing the other guy, and demanding investigations for laws broken isn’t grounds for calling a good man a meddler…

    Take it for what it’s worth… no point in asking what would have happened, when we don’t need to care.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Born in LA County, lived in Orange and Riverside Counties since then.

    Don’t even start on who’s been running my state. Few states have worse Democrats.

    I know the stakes. I’m ready to fight.

  • StandardCandle

    Eagar wasn’t taken in until she had campaign debts, that magically are getting paid… after Bridgewater offered to pay them for her in exchange for her endorsement, which is illegal… but then she retracted her words, and didn’t realize what a loose mouth she had…

    And yes… Bob Bennet knew he was on the way out, so he wanted to play kingmaker… and the fatherless trailer park earmark collector child was willing to bow to the former king and lick his hand to washington… IT FAILED.

    STOP believing that Chaos created all the weirdness…

    You my friend are either an entirely gullible and ill-informed person, or you are entirely a bitter troll for Bridgewater… if its the latter, you may die a ignominous political death… and never return to politics because you’re a pawn… if it’s the former… WAKE UP DUDE… read Redstate for the next year and a half and LEARN why this site is in position to drive grassroots power at a national level for conservatives, that are republicans trying to clean up the party.

    Lick your wounds man… and figure out what you stand for, not what Bridgewater stands for.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    You forgot to mention the real reason for your grudge: You’ve been banned before.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister
  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Only a bad faith losers participates in R primaries without voting for the nominee in the general.

    Don’t be that guy.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Both can win, if people come together afterwards. The stupid stuff has to stop. It’s the main reason why I haven’t made a decision in this race yet. I’m still waiting for the adult to step forward.

  • mattmillburn

    Once again you mention that Bennett and Bridgewater had a secret deal before the convention. Once again you have no evidence. Despite no evidence, you believe. You have no idea what you are talking about. Bridgewater, Eagar, along with Mike Lee worked hard for months to throw Bennett out of office. The supporters of these candidates did not put party first, but instead wanted to get the old style big spending Republican out of Utah. There were legitimate reasons to vote for Bridgewater. People vote for different reasons. I tend to think that foreign policy is a very important issue, I know most people won’t consider foreign policy at all when voting and the vote yesterday proved that. I was hoping your dishonest attacks would stop after the primary, but I guess that would be asking for too much. Mike Lee will make a good senator, I believe he is a good man with integrity. I cannot say the same about Erick Erickson.

  • mschmitt

    Rick Scott actually went negative early (in ads he approved) on equally shaky ground to the anti-Scott ads (which, by the way, are coming from some anonymous group).

    As far as I can tell, the negative ads from both sides, in addition to Scott’s conservative credentials, are crap (all I know about the guy is that he has cash, wants to be governor, and has enough political sense to align himself with Tea Party folks). I know Bill McCollum well enough to believe he could at least fill Jeb!’s shoes (provided they aren’t permanently clown shaped by now).

  • deano64

    That’s some strategy.

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    George W. Bush is retired. Get over it.

    We have been asleep at the wheel. That’s been clearly admitted.

    The fact is we are doing something about it NOW.

    The past is the past. Get over it and join us as we look to the future.

  • rdelbov

    Its an insult to the supporters of Eager who literally organized using card board signs and 9 by 11 file cards. Talk about teaparty grass roots–did they have a website?

    Its the take no prisoners and those who oppose us are RINOs. The drug dealers for Bridgewater was a high water point for this type of stuff.

    At time the folks in Utah are coming together Erick wants to continue the war?

    Eye on the prize right?

  • eburke

    I’d think you’d make more productive use of your time.

    Like putting together a website that has major influence on the political process.

  • eburke
  • ZootSuit

    And my unmitigated fear is that once “we” get back on the “inside” so-called conservatives will revert back to their old big-government, liberal habits. Indeed, while I think it is too early to be talking about 2012 in earnest, I don’t think any of the top three or four potential GOP candidates — Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, or Mike Huckabee — would be any better than George W. Bush. And despite the fact that I think Barack Obama is even worse, I think George W. Bush was, all-in-all, a miserable failure.

  • eburke

    bring out the tribbles and trolls. This UT kerfluffle has to have set some kind of record.

    Is the blam stick in need of recharging yet?

  • jccbin

    I daresay it is the Americans v. the Statists. Death to statism. Literally.

  • nancylee

    God protect me from my friends. I can protect myself from my enemies.

    I’m glad Redstate picks battles like this. More damage has been done to the conservative cause by people who pretend to be on our side than by all the liberals in existence.

  • acat

    But not all had a way to contribute, meaningfully or not, without losing the day job.

    The internet changed all that.

    Mew

  • mriggio

    How? Please check out Cold Warrior and the Precinct Committeeman project. If becoming a P/C isn’t your preference, attend the meetings and get to know the candidates. Cheers!

  • rdelbov

    I have been active in politics since 1976 when I supported Ronald Reagan. I give a list of my canceled checks to GOP senate candidates in 1978 or 1980 if you would like. That was before Al Gore invented the internet so you had to use the US mail to make political contributions.

    I don’t think Erick is a “Putz” nor have I insulted him. I think he is wrong on Bridgewater and Norton for that matter. I applaud him for supporting Tim Scott and Nikki Haley–perhaps I should encourage when he’s right. I might add that Erick did not spend a great deal of time attacking Henry McMaster & Barrett before the primary but focused on Haley’s good points. Ditto with Tim Scott as Erick did not accuse Paul Thurmond of having a racist past.

    That reminds me I shook Strom Thurmond’s hand in 1984 and did not wash it for three days. I shook Admiral Denton’s hand in 1981 and consider him to a true American hero.

    My point is this like millions of Americans who build the modern GOP during the Reagan era I live by 11th commandment. You can push your candidate but don’t attack another GOP candidate. Plus when the primary is over unite. I encourage Erick to talk to DeVore-VanderPlatt(Iowa) and McKelvey (VA5) who all fine conservative men to endorse their own foes and encourage their supporter to rally around the party

  • ZootSuit

    one person’s conservative is another person’s RINO. Bluntly, the problem is not the conservative leadership; the problem is the conservative rank-and-file.

    I don’t think any of the four I named above — Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, or Mike Huckabee — is really a conservative. Indeed, I personally would vote for Barack Obama than one particular one of the above and I am not kidding when I write this. Yet and still, each one of the four has a significant faction even here on RedState who will swear up and down that their “guy” (or “gal” in the case of Sarah Palin) is a true “Rightwing” “red meat” conservative.

    Again, the problem isn’t the leadership. The problem is us; that “we” conservative rank-and-file are really not that conservative.

    Anyone for getting rid of the home mortgage interest deduction?

  • acat

    In 2012, I firmly expect Obama to be learning the real lesson from Clinton’s term – motivated republicans can crush a socialist agenda using nothing more than the power of the budget.

    What we need to do, Zoot, is to stay awake, stay watchful, support the young, idealistic conservatives in the county (or parish, for those of you in Louisiana) and statehouse races, so that when (not if) it becomes time to primary a RINO, we know there’s a crop of young conservatives ready for the fight.

    Knowing they’re going to get primaried, knowing the primary challenge is nothing they can laugh off – this will help a number of smarter RINOs to heel.

    Mew

  • ZootSuit

    just shoot them — whether Republicans, Democrats, RINOs or whatnot — as soon as they sniff out the trough.

  • teapartypatriot

    The defeat of the out-of-touch gop establishment in Utah is a great victory, but there is much more to do.

    Steele, graham, collins, snowe, mcconnell and many others MUST BE REPLACED by people who actually support conservative values and the American people.

    The battle won’t be over until they are gone, too.

  • deano64

    do whatever it takes to help the best and most conservative Republican candidate to win in the primary. If that means pointing out negatives about the opponent so be it. We must fight fire with fire when it comes down to the nitty griity. You may not like it but this is serious business and it becoming clear you don’t have the stomach for it..

  • Aaron Gardner

    You lost, get over it. Also, DeVore already endorsed Fiorina.

    You don’t see him crying here on RedState like all of you Bridgewater supporters do you.

  • StandardCandle

    ny

  • Aaron Gardner

    Eye on the prize indeed.

  • StandardCandle

    from now until November… especially if more and more staffers for RINOs in Washington D.C. are becoming unemployed this primary season…

  • StandardCandle

    I think this POST was Brilliant… for many reasons… but the one I like the most…

    All the trolls of all the RINOS of all the primaries out there… are coming out to attack you for this post… what a great way to flush out the enemy in our midst…

    some of these guys have made it past 6 months without being detected… that’s a scary thought.

  • realskinny

    So is the general thrust of Erick’s post. In battle it is better to have 5 dependable comrades than 50 wobbly schmuks who will let you down at the most inopportune time.

    We must put personal feelings aside. When the primary is over it’s time to direct the attacks toward the main enemy. There is no shortage of Reps who could not be improved upon. But the most “conservative” Dem is worse than the worst Rep. All you have to do is ask for whom will they will cast their first vote.
    Going into the assault is no time to be holding a grudge against the guy who stole your C-rats. It’s time to put your head down, remember your training and do your job. God will decide who comes out on top. More and more it is becoming apparent the election this Fall will determine whether anything recognizable as the country into which we were born survives.

  • nessa

    Once we fill the PC slots across the country with conservatives the squishes and Rinos can hang out in the background all they want. We are taking away the reins of Leadership. The GOP is OUR Party, not theirs.

    http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com/

  • streetwise

    looks OK to me!

    :)

  • nessa

    They really need to get some smarter sock puppets out there.

  • aesthete

    I would say, however, that the problem is more endemic than the actual conservatism of self-identified conservatives: rather, the problem is that most people vote based on rhetoric and events that transpire in the campaign, and after the campaign, tune out unless something ends up on the news. HCR really wasn’t that different from most other entitlement programs and initiatives, and in fact, is less centralized than, say, Social Security. The difference is, people are paying attention this time around. How many other government initiatives, if they received the same level of attention, would similarly be hated? Most people don’t like politics (who can blame them?), and avoid talking and thinking about it as much as is humanly possible. Our task is to show them that it is important to pay at least some attention, and to not rely on party identification to determine if something is good or not.

  • ZootSuit

    Because while I agree with just about everything you wrote, I think the “problem” is much more than conservatives simply not paying attention. I think the problem is that conservatives honestly don’t think their particular entitlement is “socialism” or whatnot.

    As I asked above, anyone for getting rid of the home interest mortgage deduction?

    I live in a fairly conservative state and in an area that is probably more agrarian than most. It’s only a slight exaggeration to say that you can’t walk down the street without the citizenry (or at least a certain segment of the citizenry) complaining about “welfare” and “bank bailouts” and all the other big government programs designed to spend our money and talk away our rights. But if you start talking about getting rid of farm subsidies — which an amazing number of these “small government conservatives” get — you hear about how they are necessary to help the “little guy” like themselves against “unfair foreign competition” and whatnot. Yes, to an extent I think they are hypocrites but the odd thing is that they truly believe in their hypocrisy.

    I believe you even mentioned how many people even here on RedState who are decrying ObamaCare as “socialism” were (and some still are) supporting the author of the model for Obamacare: Mitt Romney and his RomneyCare. And for the record I will say that ObamaCare has more in common with RomneyCare — including, especially, those parts that are based more on the Heritage Foundations recommendations for reforming the health care industry — than it does with HillaryCare. To be perfectly honest, if a President Romney had enacted the exact same things as are in Obama’s HCR travesty, most conservatives would be hailing it as some sort of great “conservative” victory.

    So while I agree with you that more people are paying attention now, I fear that the only reason they are against what they are now paying attention to is that “their side” (if they are conservatives) lost and the “other side” (i.e. liberals) proposed it. Once “their side” wins again, they may still pay attention but all of a sudden, whatever “their side” does, no matter how liberal, will suddenly be acceptable and for many, even “conservative.”

    Again, who wants to eliminate the home mortgage interest deduction.

  • rdelbov

    I am all for electing great conservatives but 48 great conservaties plus Snowe-Collins-Brown put us control of US senate

    You can argue about replacing Bennett(ACU 83) with someone who might be a 100–I say might because neither Bridgewater or Lee have ever held elective office. How many conservatives talk one way and vote different. Oh I see Erick trusts Mike Lee but what if Bridgewater would have been more conservative?

    We need 5 justices-51 senators and 218 house members.

    How many senators is it worth purging for 5 ACU points?

    I would rather expend energy electing republicans.

    I might add that wild charges against Republicans relating to dealing with drug lords do not help the cause

  • Stan(ley) Pruss

    I’ll take a vacation day Nov. 2 and do anything I can to help GOTV in Illinois, but I’ll send my money to conservatives around the country in the remaining primaries to who ever Erick suggests. I worry about the DC staffers that any new conservative finds there. They can do real mischief. Can we get more conservatives work for candidates and go with them to DC?

  • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

    Totalitarian types use a few standard ways to get everyone else to shut up. First, they say your words are “just silly.” To put you away in a particular case, they say things happen “at random” so don’t bear question or scrutiny, or things happen because they’re always in “chaos”. So if you don’t fall over and accept everything someone else spoon feeds you, you’re a conspiracy theorist. On another point, people did complain during George Bush’s time, but as I recall we were told to ‘stop frothing at the mouth.’ Some people don’t get we’ve lost our country in ways that could have been prevented. Those who sat by for that should at minimum be out of public life.

  • mjdzfun

    More straight talk, please.

  • aesthete

    I’ll add another one that is unpopular to mention, but nonetheless hypocritical: the War on Drugs. It encapsulates pretty much everything that conservatives rail against: usurpation of state powers, nixing of individual rights to do what they want free of government infringement, a police state dedicated to same, infringements of rights to privacy, paternalistic views of protection of an individual from himself, the conflation of “society” and government, lack of results, started by a progressive, etc. Yet, besides the National Review, I have yet to see conservatives even acknowledge the tremendous excesses of the Drug War, and if anything, I see them wanting to escalate this (in many cases quite literal) war against citizens! I don’t bring up the Drug War to be “that guy”, and right now, there are more important issues. It’s just another example of something that, were it done with another substance (say, cigarettes or alcohol), would have conservatives screaming about government oppression: and rightly so.

    80% of the federal government’s expenditures are comprised of welfare/unemployment, defense, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Social Security and Medicare, in particular, have costs that are going to skyrocket as the population gets older and there are less young people to pay for these programs. There isn’t enough “wasteful spending” (a phrase as useful as “common sense idea” in politics) to balance the budget on. You simply can’t be a small government conservative, or for balanced budgets, without calling for entitlement reform. You certainly can’t if, as the Republican Study Commission did, you draw up a budget that does nothing to change these programs, “freezes spending” at the ’08 levels (hah!), repeals Obamacare and TARP, doesn’t raise taxes, and hopes for massive increases in tax receipts, and it’s shameful that someone on this site (can’t remember who; I’ll look it up later) called it “courageous”, presumably out of ignorance for what the plan actually says it will do. Arms-length support and cool dismissal of serious Republicans who have actually cut or reformed government, such as Paul Ryan, Mitch Daniels, and Cary Coleman, is particularly worrisome for those of us looking for real solutions to problems that will overwhelm us if we aren’t careful.

    That said, people are paying attention, and after Bush and Obama (and upon seeing the collapse of Southern Europe), are receptive to a small government message. I lived in Georgia during the Bush years, and was able to convince many of my friends there that ag subsidies are just as bad as other subsidies. Glenn Beck is hysterical, emotional, and overstates his case, but a large part of his appeal comes from the fact that he is willing to put aside the rah-rah endorsement of the Republican party common in talk show radio, and look and talk about things like liberty. Hayek’s “Road to Serfdom” is the #1 non-fiction book in Amazon right now. All of those are good signs for those of us who clamor for limited government, moreso because they are occurring in the midst of a recession: virtually unheard of in the 20th century!

    Most conservatives are willing to give you a fair hearing if you’re arguing in good faith, and if you’ve given them reason to trust you. Problem is, we only have media personalities willing to speak in cliches as if to children, for fear that they will be found out as frauds or “extremists”. Bill O’Reilly is chief among these. My hope is that with the advent of blogs and the new media, people will be willing to read and think more in-depth than political mantras will allow. It’s pretty hard to escape the truth that we need entitlement reform if you are earnestly looking.

    Canada did it. New Zealand did it (and is continuing to do it). Costa Rica and Panama did it to some extent. The UK did it. Chile did it. Call me optimistic, but if all of them could rein in the Leviathan, then far be it from me to claim that the heirs of the Founding Fathers are incapable of the task before us!

  • mriggio

    OK, I’ll bite: go ahead and rescind the deduction for home mortgage interest, I have no problem with that (and I do have a mortgage). The whole mortgage interest deduction went south as soon as folks learned to second mortgage or refi to dump their high, non-deductible credit card balances into a repackaged, interest-deductible mortgage. The deduction no longer encourages what it was originally designed to, although I really dislike the government shaping tax policy to encourage or discourage much of anything, be it an R government or a D government, idealist that I am.

    Although I live in a semi-agricultural area, I’m abysmally ignorant of ag issues; the best I can do is say Uncle Sugar should in no way pay farmers NOT to plant crops, no more so than the community college where I work (yes, another arm of the government) should pay me NOT to teach classes.

    I know I’m not alone in saying I was horrified with GWB and his insane No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, and signing Campaign Finance Reform, not to mention TARP. So, not all of us will side with whatever a ‘conservative’ might conjure up; sometimes (really, always), small government conservative means exactly that, whether the Party label reads Republican, Democrat, Independent, Tea Party or Martian.

  • rdelbov

    I have enjoyed the discussion here. The free flow of ideas–the respect for differing opinions is great. I may think some of his points are silly but many of his points are absolutely spot on.

    There was some discussion of Medicare Part D–kudos to John McCain for fighting that plan

  • pantera

    rhinos wont support the conservative nominee…

    they might not vote or cross over the D dam to vote against the true Republican…

    I held my nose and voted mcain but Palins presence made it less nauseating…

  • deano64

    is people like you who are satisfied with the status quo in the Republican establishment. Go ahead and keep sending the RNC your money and let them pick your candidates for you. By the way ACU scores are pretty useless. For instance McCain’s lifetime ACU rating is about 81 last time I checked. But low and behold his ACU rating in 2009 leading up to an election is like 99. Funny how that all shakes out huh?

  • deano64

    part D. He was heading into a re election campaign back in 2003. He certainly is conservative at least when he’s heading in to a campaign year and it suits his own personal interests. I guess McCain is the next RINO your runnning up the hill for? How about Gang of 14? How about TARP? Kudos to him? Give me a break.

  • ZootSuit

    but we are the minority, even within the conservative movement. I fear that even here at RedState, we would get into many an argument over “our brand” of conservatism. For too many conservatives, conservatism sounds great in theory (especially when the “other guy” is promoting big-government liberalism) but when it touches something “we” like and/or depend on … well … maybe government intervention is not too bad.

    Indeed, and I may be banned for linking to the post below, but consider the following:

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/15/a-there-ought-to-be-a-law-post/

    I thought of it — and searched for it — in response to one of the posts below. And I honestly like Erick. Truthfully, we must remain constantly vigilant against everyone; including — no, especially — against ourselves.

  • veritaseequitas

    Conservatives have known for a long time that there are RINO’s out there. Not only do Conservatives not want the Loony Left Wing Liberals in charge, we don’t want the RINOs in charge either. It is time for Republicans to climb on board the Small Government Conservative train. If they cannot lead or follow the way Conservatives want them too, they need to just get the heck out of the way. And while they are getting out of the way they need to quit being such back- stabbing cry babies.

  • Bill S

    means they’re banned.

  • mikerazar

    How does a self-identified conservative know what positions are definitive symptoms of RINO hood?
    Is there a diagnostic test or maybe a manual?
    How does a RINO hunter know when to try rehab and when to pull the trigger?
    Is it shoot first and ask questions later?

  • rick554

    For my Sons and my Grandsons…..NO mercy and NO quarter.

  • aesthete

    We should always be vigilant against populism and the devil’s bargain of increased government in exchange for some freedom, even when the outstretched hand belongs to a conservative. I like Erick too, and I’ve stumbled upon a thread or two here where I think, “what the heck is going on?!” (In fact, we might both have to be banned: the post I referenced that praised the RSC’s budget was written by none other than our main man Erick. :) ) The only thing I’m disputing is that these are, IMO, genuinely unforced errors that most conservatives, upon introspection, are willing to change. One reason that National Review changed its policy on the War on Drugs is because Bill Buckley realized how at odds it was with both pragmatic and philosophical conservatism. In addition, other countries have made the hard choices which supposedly can never be done by government. If those countries could do it, so can we, even if 2010 isn’t the year that we do it.

  • aesthete

    because Bush was promoting it than anything else.

  • deano64

    all maverciky with it.

  • crassus

    The FEC Complaint must be dealt with accordingly.

  • boneyard

    When Republicans had control we didn’t hold their feet to fire. Instead we supported them and apologized for them. When “our” people get in will we be just as supportive again if they take us in the wrong directions? Forgetting about George Bush is exactly the thing we ought NOT to do.

  • boneyard

    I don’t think our current list of front runners are very impressive. Republicans haven’t nominated a dark horse since Wendell Willkie in 1940 but here’s hoping that 2012 will be the year.

  • betsyred

    The same situation exists in Colorado in both the U.S. Senate and governor’s races. One candidate for gov w/ an R behind his name won’t debate the grassroots candidate that beat him at the state caucus. We need sunlight on these races and we need Redstate warriors to donate to our grassroots candidates, Ken Buck and Dan Maes. Neither will owe political favors the first day of work. We want a governor that can run a business. We see in the WH what happens when someone is hired that has no relative experience. Business DOES matter and so does experience in business. We need a tough as nails senator that doesn’t end a TV commercial with McCain’s GOP convention call to arms: Stand Up! Stand Up! We new vision and the people’s way going forward. Please America, we have 7 weeks to help put grassroots conservatives in high office from the Centennial State. We’ve helped across the country in many races this spring. We need your help now.

  • rdelbov

    I see McCain opposed Medicare Part B in 2003 becasue he knew he would have primary foe in 2004. Funny he had not primary foe in 2004.

    How about the + 45 GOP senators who for Meciare part D? Only Specter had a primary foe in 2004.

    No people don’t like to give McCain credit for a principled conservative stand.

  • cbondi

    Eric,

    Don’t EVER apologize for speaking the truth! People need to WAKE up!

  • deano64

    I don’t know. You might try the reply to this button below my posts if so. Took me awhile to figure that out too. Don’t twist my words please. I said he was coming up for re election not because he knew he would have a primary foe. No we don’t like to give McCain credit for a principled conservative stand since he has proven that when we really need him he can’t be counted on.

  • yankeedoodledandette

    I don’t think so…it’s RINOs like this that have HELPED drive CA into the water.

    What’s our BRAND as GOP? We don’t have one…or, it’s just become “Democrat Lite”….”conservative” being a relative term…”compared to [any given over to the far left Marxist-Democrat] they are conservative”…but not in any REAL SENSE of the word.

    Nope, not even in CA, “land of Reagan”, are Progressive RINOs “very welcome.”

    Oh, they get elected, but only by those who are still willing to hold their nose and vote for “the lesser of two evils”…some of us are beyond that.

  • yankeedoodledandette

    Laura Boatright here. : )

    My answer is ALWAYS the public…get PEOPLE/BODIES to the meetings so THEY can see what is going on.

    Corruption doesn’t like to have light shined on it, and people are light.

    Our CCs all over the state are corrupt. I’ve been getting 30+ people (including several Tea Party organizers) to the CC meetings…one interesting one was “endorsement night”…Lord have mercy! All the parliamentary procedure maneuvers…”my” people were asking me “what’s going on?” (What was going on is that the “Old Boys Club” members were trying to override the Chair to get endorsements for their guys who are linked to corruption via our County Board of Supervisors)….and they were playing Roberts’ Rules like chess moves.

    I am sure they would have prevailed had there not been 60 people in the room, instead of 10 like they are used to.

    Whole new ball game, Ron…and am I HAPPY!! (We had lots of CC victories…even more next time!)

  • trp878

    Erik is Right On in this article. Oh how true, as we look over the past your “friends” are the hardest to distinguish.
    “verbum sat sapienti” – ( A word is enough for a wise man)
    Keep up the good work

  • Joshua Persons

    It took me a minute to see that the last post date for arc_ut versus the registered date for utah_cares strongly suggests “he” (or “she”) rather than “they”.

  • tonywarren

    And when you have then down, don’t stop. Beat them so badly that they will never even think about returning to public life. Do to them with a mop handle what they have been doing to the American people for years.

    In my eyes, an establishment RINO is worse than a socialist democrat. It is to bad that we can not brand them with a scarlet letter of shame, so every citizen would know they have sold what little honor they inherited from their fathers for a dollar.

    You were to easy on them Erik. Tell us how you really feel.

  • MF

    I personally would vote for Barack Obama than one particular one of the above [Romney, Palin, Gingrich, Huckabee] and I am not kidding when I write this.

    Huh??? I can’t think of very many people for whom I would vote for Obama over him or her. He’s just about as bad as they come. I have yet to find a single good thing about him.

    That’s not to say I love the four you mentioned above. I’m just saying that any of the above are vastly better than the ghastly Obama.

  • trilogy

    Excellent article Eric, I would use the word Progressive they are in both parties it doesn’t matter if they have an R or a D beside their name they both come together for one purpose and that is clinging to power and money and screw the American Citizen they are suppose to represent. We need to weed out all Progressives in Washington and even down to the local governments in order to gain back our country. If we continue to call each other names and fight within our own ranks then the Progressives win this is what they want.

  • soljerblue

    say it clear…keep on saying it. The task will be like cleaning out the Augean stables, except we have no Hercules to divert a river and do the job in a day. Cleaning out the RINOs and weaning the teet-suckers is Job One. And it won’t be done in one election cycle.

    Here in Alabama we’re seeing a situation similar to Utah’s in our governor’s race. A little known conservative Republican state representative came from way back in the five-man pack to force a run-off with the party-backed candidate. No sooner was the recount completed, and Dr. Robert Bentley declared the second-place finisher, then the turds running former state senator Bradley Byrne’s campaign started going seriously negative. Byrne is a southern Republican, meaning he’s pretty much center-right. But Bentley’s credentials are better, and Rasmussen projects he’ll run much better against the bought-and-paid-for Democrat in the race.

    Erick — check out Bentley, if you can — he could use some help as well, and the run-off is July 13th — three weeks away.

  • sccrenny

    The story goes like this. The little bird decided it was too much trouble migrating south every winter and decided to stick it out up north this year. Around late November the snow began and he couldn’t find food. Kicking himself for being so stupid he headed south.

    Soon the snow covered his wings and he struggled and struggled until finally he gave up and fluttered to the ground. He lay there and shuddered and waited for the end.

    Fortunately he landed in a pasture and a cow came along and happened to pick the spot he was in to dump. The warm manure covered him and he began to respond. Alert and alive he rejoiced and began to sing.

    The farm cat happened by and heard him. The little bird got excited when he felt the manure being lifted away. Alas, the cat uncovered him and ate him.

    Morals: Sometimes you should go with the crowd. Not everybody who craps on you is your enemy. Not everybody who helps you out of crap is your friend. And if you’re warm. cozy, and alive, sometimes you just need to keep your mouth shut!

    Somehow, this story captures this race, but don’t ask me to explain how!

  • walter

    Say it loud, say it often… You said it, I like it.
    Once we get our party back. . . we stay dilligent to KEEP IT!