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Primary Open Thread

Take your pick.

You’e got Arizona, Vermont, Alaska, Florida, and runoffs in Oklahoma.

I suspect we’ll be giving comment amnesty to people in Arizona tonight — within reason.

COMMENTS

  • IJB

    Gotta say, I’m surprised.

    Meanwhile:

    Southerland up big in FL-02
    Nugent winning in FL-05 (that is very bad news… :( )
    Webster up big in FL-08
    Ross winning in the open FL-12
    Adams barely up over Diebel with Miller in 3rd in FL-24
    And it’ll be Rivera (R) vs. Garcia (D) in FL-25

  • rdelbov

    or really Maine goes. Okay Leahy will win renomination. I know the suspense was killing people. Not much on the GOP side there.

    Meek looks like a big winner and the GOP Gov primary looks like it will be burn barner. Scott is doing well in the early vote numbers. The only question is whether there will be more of a trend towards McCollum in votes cast today.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Polls have closed in Florida and Vermont. Charlie Crist is probably getting drunk right now, and for good reason: Kendrick Meek is looking to be the Democratic nominee, which means that the inevitable is finally ending its delay. And over in FL-08, it looks like the Devil Lord of Insufficient Light may be facing Daniel Webster, after all.

  • steelers6

    Why do the people in Florida continue to do this, they drive the turnout down in the panhandle all the time. If they didn’t pull this crap in 2000 we wouldn’t have went thru 6 weeks of hell. Bush would have won by several thousand votes instead of a few hundred.

    Better not announce results early in November.

  • GregInFla

    It’s past 7pm in the panhandle now.

  • IJB

    There was *NO* excuse for the legislature not to institute a uniform statewide poll closing time after 2000.

    And it’s FL *Republicans* who have messed this up, as they’ve held both the legislature and the Gov’s office since then.

    I dunno if it’s ‘good ol’ boy’ laziness or what, but IMO there’s no excuse for this a full *decade* after the last fiasco not to have instituted a uniform statewide poll closing time… >:/

  • fpete13527

    Scott remaining up by approx. 2 1/2 points…very close, 37% in:
    46.2 Scott 43.7 McCollum

    Sad to see Sager not looking good…very disappointed.

    Happy to see West looking way up.

  • IJB

    :)

  • IJB

    I’d like to see a few more votes in before we anoint West! ;)

  • proudgop

    Wow

    Boyd (D) is at 51% to 49& for Lawson ( route for Lawson)

    worried about Fl Gov Race

  • fpete13527
  • jmimac351

    without a teleprompter that if everyone in this state hears he will win by 20 points.

    The guy is the real deal.

  • IJB

    But way more Dem votes than GOP votes in FL-02 and FL-11. :(

    Can’t tell about FL-08, yet (though there are, at least, a lot of GOP votes!), or FL-22…

  • IJB

    So – go Lawson!! ;)

  • Patricia_C

    Inspiring… and without a teleprompter…

  • rdelbov

    was almost certainly ahead in early vote numbers–not sure if that thread will hold on votes cast today. Scott counties seem to be counting a tad faster then ones McCollum is winning.

  • proudgop

    go to politico you can click on the numbers on state

    Scott is winning in every section of state minus Miami Dade, Orage, Seminole counties basically

    A lot of panhandle is not showing yet but in majority of central Florida Scott is winning and this is with basically 70% in a lot of these counties in.

    not sure what to think. McCcollum might win but he is going to be losing a majority of the counties

  • IJB

    GOP turnout in the entire state of VT is likely to be only 30,000, or less… :(

  • GregInFla

    They have trouble counting down there… Remember those chads.

  • IJB

    With about 10% in:

    Thompson (veterinarian & army vet) is beating Edmonds (farmer) about 2-to-1 in OK-02 (I think this might be a better outcome for us if it holds…)

    Lankford (youth camp director) is ahead of Calvey (ex-state rep., ’06 candidate) in OK-05 (no opinion on this race…)

  • IJB

    These vote totals should have Kosamas sweating though – she looks like she’s toast to me.

    I’d move this race to “leans Republican” from here on in… :)

  • wbf

    Many people who vote Republican in the general election are registered as Democrats in Leon County. It is a closed primary. Many of them probably voted for Alan Boyd over Al Lawson but in the general election they will vote for the Republican nominee.

    I have seen so many signs for Republicans all over the county and only two signs for Alan Boyd!

  • jmimac351

    :)

  • jmimac351

    which I think means Charlie Crist is going to look even more burnt than usual.

  • IJB
  • IJB

    Good.

    Now someone get this guy some money, so he can actually take the fight to that phony liar Dan Boren (D-Pelosi!).

  • IJB

    Southerland looks like a very strong candidate.

    Boyd is still up 52.5-47.5 over Lawson with 66% in, which bares out what wbf predicts above.

    Either way, Southerland looks like a strong challenger, even despite the current 43,000R/57,000D voter differential in FL-02.

  • IJB

    Turnout was a little better in OK-05, probably about 36,000.

    But turnout was dismal in OK-02 – likely barely 11,000 votes. We’ve *got* to do better in OK-02 – we can’t let that snake Boren skate!!

  • IJB

    …But if he pulls this out, he’d better pay attention to this big vote against him.

    If McCollum “runs to the middle” after this primary result, he’ll probably lose. He’s got to (again) convince conservatives that he’s the real deal.

    Because, right now? I don’t think they’re sold on him…

  • wbf

    Just like to add that a week or so ago a pollster called to do a survey. Nearly all the questions were in favor of Alan Boyd and relentlessly tearing down Southerland. It revealed that Boyd feared a challenge by Southerland.

  • eburke

    up against and who’s the Dem?

    I’m assuming whoever’s beating Sager is a mod/lib? Which district is this?

  • IJB

    If this were a two person SEN field, this race would already be over.

    As it is, these results still can’t be very encouraging to Charlie Crist…

  • eburke
  • IJB

    …So Nugent is very likely a shoo-in now.

    I think people are disappointed because, from what I’ve read around here, Nugent is a career politician, and an establishment “squish” Republican – he’s not the kind of guy that’s going to be “charging the barricades” against Obama like Sager would have.

    Nugent will probably turn out to be a Congressman like Jerry Lewis of CA – OK, but nothing to write home about, and occasionally off the reservation on something. He’ll be OK, just not great… :/

  • eburke

    conservative candidate(s) in CD – 8 and CD – 24?

  • fpete13527
  • IJB

    …And now that I look at it more, it’s probably not going to be enough to close the gap.

    Apparently, this is an “anti-career politician” environment (at least somewhat) after all…

  • IJB

    What’s even more interesting though is that GOP turnout in this district is higher than Dem turnout, despite both primaries being contested, and despite FL-22 being a “Dem leaning” district.

    It’s starting to look like Klein has every reason to start sweating bullets! :)

  • proudgop

    is winning Miami Dade by 20,000 votes with only 20% in if that keep up he could win

    He is losing Palm Beach county and Broward now too

    not looking good even if he wins

  • jmimac351

    They’re all “real conservatives”.

    Some just happen to also raise taxes and support building billion dollar trains that nobody will ride. Unfortunately, that’s Webster and Adams; although, I think they will both win.

  • proudgop

    I wonder if Lawson was boosted with Meeks on ticket too? I believe FL 2 has high African American population but bottom line is right now he is up by only 2,500 votes he probably will survive but I’d be so happy if he doesn’t

  • proudgop

    Webster is our nominee. He will be 1,000,000 times better then that nut Grayson

  • IJB

    Would you have preferred Diebel in FL-24 to Adams? Or would you have preferred Miller over both?

    In FL-08, I was pulling for Kelly, but I figured it would be an uphill struggle against someone as well known as Webster… :/

  • IJB

    Guess I’m bad at counting!
    (Or, more likely, the precincts didn’t have uniform voter turnout.)

  • cwilson

    Urban areas, basically. It’s the same pattern as McCain v Obama, and we know how that turned out. This will be a nail-biter.

  • proudgop

    I thought polls close in Arizona 9 PM EST??

  • itsjoanne

    He was endorsed by Jeb Bush. Best of luck to Daniel.

    http://www.electwebster.com/

  • IJB

    …I think – I think they close at 7pm local time (which equals 7pm PDT).

  • wbf

    What good news!!! I had no idea that Webster was running for congress!!

  • pilgrim
  • proudgop

    With voting trends the way they are it looks very likely Scott will win now

    He has won in every part of state minus Miami Dade, Orange and Seminole County really

    Republicans are really going to have to unify now

  • chihank

    Scott leading 46-43 wth 86% of vote in.

    Scott must used a powerful early voting drive when he was leading in the polls.

    There will be no unity rally among GOPers tomorrow. The primary has caused deep wounds. The FL Gov is looking like a mess. However, the FL Senate is looking like a lock for us. Go Rubio.

    Also Congrats to Daniel Webster and future Attorney General Pam Bondi.

  • Michael Dugas

    Still no results yet.

  • fpete13527

    EXCELLENT!!!!

  • mizzoumark

    Does anyone really think Rick Scott gives the GOP a better chance to win? Has anyone considered the fact that his legal troubles and the fact that he alienated the party in Florida could cause serious, perhaps fatal, damage to Marco Rubio’s campaign? Alex Sink will avoid all talk on the issues, and will hammer Rick Scott on medicare fraud, and how he “stole from Florida seniors”.

    This is a bad election night for the FL GOP, and a fabulous one for Kendrick Meek and Alex Sink.

  • mizzoumark

    There has been $70 million in attack ads spent between the two of them. Now a large chunk of the FL GOP thinks Rick Scott is a criminal. Alex Sink is set to waltz into the governor’s mansion, and it could prove decisive for Crist in the senate race.

  • eburke

    so the only lib/mod in the group gets elected? (’cause if it is, I’m going to have an aneurism).

  • proudgop

    I thought McCollum was stronger candidate but if you look at the results everywhere a Republican must do well Scott did

    He won in Panhandle, along Georgia Border, in T corridor and in suburbs of Tampa. He is only losing by less then 2,000 votes in Broward and Palm Beach

    Bottom line all people who voted for Scott are doing so in Nov and so will most of McCollum crowd ( he was establishment guy)

  • Michael Dugas

    I think the majority of McCollum voters will go to Scott in the general.
    There might not be a unity rally but they aren’t going to vote for Sink and given the state our country is in I don’t see them staying home either.
    I do know as a Floridian I’ll be glad to see the two of them stop beating each other up. There is a chance, a small one, that McCullum will congratulate Scott and call for unity. If he does his respect level will go way up.
    I wish they would have run their campaigns more like Rubio did though because you are right that is was a nasty fight.

  • eburke

    they’re the same as the West Coast. For them to have a 9 pm EST poll closing they’d have to close at 6 p.m. which is not the case. It’s now 10:48 EDT so I’m guessing AZ polls close at 8 MST.

  • chihank

    Insurgent Tea Party vs GOP Establishment.

    Scott won by portraying Bill McCollum as part of the Establishment. After all, Jeb Bush, Haley Barbour, Mitt Romney, and even Mike Huckabee backed BIll McColllum.

    Moral of the the FL Gov primary: Not all Estalbishment types are bad.

  • Zaber

    Ive been in the Tampa area for a few days, and have seen literally hundreds of attack ads between Scott and McCollum, and not a single positive one.

    Sink was very smart. Her main ad consists of Scott and McCollum lookalikes shouting at each other, which she says what she intends to do for Florida, rather than name calling.

    I think that McCollum has to endorse Scott *immediately* (fat chance of that, I think), apologies must be exchanged publicly, and Scott is going to have to air only positive ads if he’s going to have a chance. Most of the tv stations did special reporting tonight, and the common theme was that people were disgusted by the mudslinging.

  • fpete13527
  • chihank

    in his old Congressional district. However, lots of new people moved in the Orlando area when he left Congress in 2000.

  • mizzoumark

    McCollum may be establishment, but he is conservative. Nominating someone who is unelectable just because he is anti-establishment is silly. It’s one thing if McCollum was a mealy mouthed liberal, but he’s not. This is not a good night for the GOP. Rubio is not safe, lest y’all think he is after this debacle.

  • Zaber

    I saw an interview this morning where McCollum said that he would have a hard time endorsing Scott after the things that were said in the campaign. I think the RGA and GOP are going to have to step on his neck and force him to do something he finds distasteful.

    Of course, this morning he was sure that he would win.

  • ktsub

    Everyone, calm down. First, Bill Mc was no star candidate, he was wishy and flipped all over the place, poor fundraiser.

    Let Alex Obama, talk about HCA, all she wants. Its already really old issue. Let her call him a crook, they do that to all GOP candidates.

    Rick Scott will play the issues, and Mrs. Bank President Sink can attack on a single issue till Nov. He won a real broad section of Florida.

  • chihank

    Today, there were rain storms in Central FL. Could the weather depress McCollum voters from the polls.

  • mizzoumark

    It seems like he has been tarred as a criminal and a medicare scam artist?

  • gopgator

    Despite the gubernatorial seat technically being more important for redistricting purposes, the “main event” of this election here has been the Senate seat. If Republican turnout is high, it will be BECAUSE of Rubio. While there, those same people will vote for Scott. I think instead of Scott sinking Rubio, I feel that Rubio will elevate Scott.

    Proudgop makes a very good point as well. Scott has performed very well in the areas that a Republican needs to do well. Also in Scott’s favor is the fact that despite his baggage (and it is definitely considerable), Sink has baggage of her own from her time in the banking industry. Coupled with that, Scott has energy and can essentially run the same campaign he did against McCollum (New guy vs. the established candidate). Couple this with Sink’s relative lack of charisma and speaking ability (I think Scott would best her in debates) and I see the GOP still having a strong in-road to the governor’s mansion in our wonderful state. I only pray that I am accurate in this prediction.

  • IJB

    (Though it’s only a 200 vote differential…)

    This would be a very good result for our side if Racine wins – I don’t see him closing to a win this time either.

    VT GOV is looking more like a GOP Hold if these results stay where they are.

  • http://rightthemes.com rightthemes

    This is our year, this our time, and we have no choice – our future depends on it. We will close ranks, rally around Scott, rally around Rubio (one of the best candidates nationwide in years, btw) rally around Webster against the pig Grayson – the energy and enthusiasm is on our side. Shoulder to shoulder folks, this is it- let’s make it happen. And I agree with the comments above that McCollum voters are NOT going to vote Sink, and I think independents feeling anti-establishment will drive the point home.

  • izoneguy

    This is interesting.
    Whereas Obama is the Robin Hood of the progressive crowd….
    What is Rick Scott?

  • mizzoumark

    …..and then set himself up to run against Bill Nelson in 2012. He’d be a good challenger.

  • Zaber

    They had very high turnout.. torrential tropical storms all day and they still had a high turnout.. on the Republican side, anyway.

    Sink swept through her primary, and barely pulled more voters than Scott.

  • muffin

    76% of the vote!

  • Zaber

    If voters leave Rubio, they’re going to Crist, not to Meek.

    Unless someone catches Rubio and Crist in bed together in the next 2 months, Meek is guaranteed the bronze medal.

  • mizzoumark

    Is he good on the stump? Is he good on TV? Is he good at debates? Is he articulate and quick?

  • mizzoumark

    Scott has just put a major damper on Republican numbers in the general, I believe anyway.

  • Zaber

    Let’s keep our fingers crossed for the next 10 weeks.

  • fpete13527
  • ktsub

    I know its not everything, but Rick Scott will sink her with his cash. If anything Bill Mc was broke and considerable RGA investment would be required, cash wise Scott is better. Especially with a broke RNC.

  • ktsub

    @Mizzoumark, I don’t think so. Bill Mc was an old establishment guy, that was not going anywhere. I have listened to him, he is about as inspiring as Martha Coakley.

  • Zaber

    Its going to come down to turnout.. if the turnout ratio is similar to tonight, Scott wins. Republicans outnumbered Dems by close to 2:1.. if Democrats stay sad, and Republicans stay optimistic, Scott wins.

    Ugh.. Crist is on tv. I would love to punch his quisling alligator face.

  • Mayhem

    Politico says polls closed there 2 hours ago.

  • ywhyvon1

    What a wordsmith you can be!

  • Zaber

    Just saw the first negative ad on Alex Sink..

  • IJB

    …The relative turnout numbers, R vs. D.

    Now, you can try and argue that Dems didn’t have as much “heat” on their side, but Klein had a primary opponent, and Dems had at least one prominent statewide race – both of which should have gotten D’s out to vote.

    Yet, West’s vote count in FL-22 is *more* that the two Dem’s votes *combined*.

    Put another way, the GOP vote count in FL-22 was *50% HIGHER* than the Dem vote count in FL-22.

    Again, seeing these results? – Klein should be sweating buckets.
    (And turnout results are similar in FL-08 (I assume), FL-24 and FL-25…)

  • Zaber

    He was extremely vanilla. About as inspiring as a cup of pudding.

    Scott can speak.. but he’s a little creepy looking when he gets excited.. bulging eyes + mostly bald head is never a good match. :)

  • cwilson

    lie about your opponent. Lie big, Lie bad, Lie loud and Lie long. The bigger and badder the lie, the better — because then you can say “see…I’ve made him so radioactive he’s unelectable in the general. You HAVE to go with ME!”

    The end result of THAT attitude will be: “Vote for me. My opponent r-p– small children; you wouldn’t want a ch— mol—– carrying the party banner, would you?”

    Sorry, I don’t buy it.

    Even as jaded as I am, having lived thru FL2000, I still have more faith in Florida’s voters than that. Scott will be okay.

  • cwilson

    against HillaryCare in 1993.

  • Michael Dugas

    Let’s see if McCain keeps up with his Kerry like flip flops on immigration. Hopefully he keeps trending to the right.

  • cwilson

    thanks to McCollum. The RPOF spent — according to Scott — $4M helping McCollum in a primary, and now has only $56k in the bank for ALL candidates in the entire state in the general election.

    More of the Jim Greer legacy of corruption and self-dealing. You think Scott has “baggage” — McCollum’s ties to felon Greer would be similar fodder for Alex Sink.

  • cwilson
  • proudgop

    Quayle leading
    Kelly in 8th
    Gossar in 1st

  • pilgrim
  • IJB

    Here are some AZ GOP House results:

    In AZ-01, Gosar has a pretty commanding lead with 42% in.
    In AZ-03, Quayle is ahead of Waring, but it’s pretty close – this ain’t over…
    In AZ-05, Schweikert has a commanding lead.
    In AZ-07, McClung looks to be the winner (though only 10% in).
    In AZ-08, Kelly is beating Paton with 10% in.

  • IJB

    …That she had no money. She was never going to win without $$$$…. :(

  • Zaber

    And what’s a moby?

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    I’ll vouch for mizzoumark.

  • Zaber

    I didnt count the vertical lines right. :)

  • Richard Mullins

    and whether it’s a Khan or Dilbert reference, It always a bit geeky.

  • shays

    AZ SECSTATE shows no precincts reporting. These might be early voting/mail-in/absentee ballots we are seeing.

  • proudgop

    has it at 11.4 of vote in

  • proudgop

    99.1 in

    Adams 30.1
    Diebel 29.3

    recount likely

  • mboyle1988

    I assume you live in Missouri, right? I live in Palm Beach Gardens.

    The only reason Alex Sink is ahead at this point is that she hasn’t been attacked. Scott will spend another $50 million attacking her and digging up dirt. He’s not a great candidate. I held my nose because of his significant baggage, and I’m not nearly as optimistic as some of these other guys, but…

    1. Sink is boring. She can’t win on her likeability or policy.
    2. Scott is a great campaigner and debater from all accounts.
    3. Sink has to deal with Bud Chiles, another Democrat running as an independent. He’s getting about 15% of the vote, meaning Sink is winning only about 3/4 of the Democratic vote, while Scott is going to get most of the GOP vote. That puts him out to a 42-30 advantage (based on PPP’s predicted 42-40-18 electorate). Chiles is also getting about 25% of the independent vote right now. That means, for Sink to win, she’s going to have to win about 60% of Independents to Scott’s 15%.

    I think this will be close. I will be looking to make sure Republicans rally around Scott, but I think this will happen for a few reasons:
    1. Florida has no fewer than FIVE toss up house seats. Republicans are revved up about taking back the House, and they know Florida is perhaps more influential in that bid than any other state.
    2. Republicans are clearly revved up about Rubio, and also want to take back the senate

    So Republicans aren’t going to stay home on election day. Scott isn’t going to depress the vote when both the House and the Senate are seen as in play by Republicans. Given that,

    1. Are Republicans really going to vote en masse for a Democrat, even a moderate one like Sink? I don’t think so. They’ll hold their nose and vote for Scott.
    2. Can Sink really attack Scott to get his independent vote total all the way below Bud Chiles?

    If this were a two way race, Republicans would probably lose, just as they’d probably lose the Senate seat. Scott has too much baggage to get above 50%. I don’t think he can win more than 30% of the Independent vote (40% without Chiles), but he doesn’t need to win 50%. He needs to win 40% of Florida voters. That’s it. He has no one running to his right or really even in the center, just like Rubio. Sink can’t afford to go too far middle because of Chiles on her left. I really doubt she’s going to pull 60% of independents.

    I think Rubio’s going to win by 10 on election day. I think Scott will win by 2 or 3, and the polls will show him losing up until election day (because Republicans are going to say they are “undecided” but then decide on election day to vote for him anyway).

  • Andrew_D

    McCain, the “establishment” guy won in an anti-establishment year. Just goes to show that politics is local, and that Arizonans have good sense. Hayworth was an opportunist trying to ride a wave. McCain called his bluff. Hayworth was never going to beat the guy that’s made a career out of branding himself as a maverick.

    On another note….Scott’s win probably just killed the GOP’s chances for Florida Governor. Florida has issues. Serious issues.

    For those of you who think Rubio’s a lock. Think again. Nobody can predict Florida. God help us.

  • mboyle1988

    FL 24: GOP turn out outnumbered DEM nearly 2:1 (66k vs. 37k, so 13:7).

    FL 22: GOP turn out outnumbered DEM by 10k votes (36k vs 26k)

    This is amazing news. Even in FL 2, where registered Dems outnumber GOP by a wide margin, we kept it to 3:4, and Boyd NEARLY lost his primary.

    I think all four contested FL seats are going down in flames in November.

  • pilgrim

    GOP’s chances for FL Gov have not been killed. Both Scott and Rubio can win their contests. for Gov and US Sen. in FL.

  • ktsub

    Scott will not hurt turnout.

  • Achance
  • IJB

    Why am I not surprised?…

  • SteveLA

    Looks like Mbecker and others actually know what they are talking about.

  • IJB
  • http://www.deadfishwrapper.com wonder95

    Gorman’s falling farther behind, now at 7.5%, Quayle at 22.4%. It’s gotta be name recognition for him, and not him.

  • mbecker908

    The conservative wing of the Republican Party in AZ handed it to him on a platter. If they’d have tried to work with either John Shadegg or Jeff Flake, tonight could be really different.

    People didn’t necessarily vote for McCain, they more likely voted against JD. He is a well known commodity here and is roundly despised by AZ voters. Some folks, who by-and-large know zip about AZ politics or who just like living in a dream world, will claim that McCain’s $20MM is what turned the trick against an underfunded JD. Hogwash. McCain could have stopped spending after the filing fee and he could have stayed in Washington DC and he’d still have beaten JD by double digits. In fact, McCain spent his money on the primary because, as I’ve been saying for months, he could. The idiot that the Ds nominated tonight makes Karl Marx look like a capitalist. He’s an anti-SB1070, socialist, city councilman from Tucson. He’s unknown in Maricopa County and he’s got relatively no money to spend. Don’t expect the DSCC to be dumping $$ into AZ either.

  • eburke

    Looks like he’s about to take the CD-1 primary against Kirkpatrick?

    Also looks like Quayle is going to take CD-3.

  • IJB

    So AZ-07 residents don’t have to worry about Joe Sweeney the crazy old anti-Semite this time. ;)

    The question is – what’s the story with McClung?…

  • mboyle1988

    I’m a resident. I’ve rarely predicted incorrectly. I said 08 was a toss up. I think the Gov is a toss up with Scott probably winning because of the three way split all you out of staters keep forgetting about. Rubio has virtually no negatives AND a three way split. How does he lose, unless he gaffes?

  • IJB

    …I have some “oceanfront” property in AZ to sell you.

    And if you think the AZ establishment wasn’t always going to line up with McCain, I have a bridge to sell you too.

    But, don’t worry – you’ll be getting your “Maverick” back soon enough! ;p

  • mboyle1988

    has lost two previous statewide races after leading early polls. Voters like him on paper but not in person. He is a bad debater, bad speaker and bad fundraiser. Scott is good at all three, and he’s going to tear Alex to shreds. Poor woman…

  • mbecker908

    1. Name recognition, even if it really is his dad’s.

    2. His dad is very well respected and liked.

    3. He’s got oodles of money (thanks dad!) and he’s using it well…

  • pilgrim

    Dr. Paul Gosar is endorsed by Sarah Palin, sheriff Joe, and two other sheriffs

  • proudgop

    Part of me hope he wins just to stick it to the Dems after the way they attacked his dad

    Plus I did love how he called Obama worse president

  • BigGator5

    Because Nugent is Big Government Republican. He is up against a Conservative-Light Democrat.

    Honestly people, we have a RINO and a DINO running for Florida’s Fifth.

  • mbecker908

    Although, given the utter ignorance of your comments and your total lack of reading comprehension, maybe you could start them up again.

    1. I have no use for McCain. Never have. Never have voted for him in a statewide race, never will.
    2. My point is, and has been for months, that the only possibility for beating McCain would be with either Shadegg or Flake. Flake had something to lose, Shadegg didn’t. Conservatives would have actually rallied around Shadegg, he’d have done very, very well in Maricopa County and the north country. Would he have won? I don’t know, but he wouldn’t be down double digits and as I type JD is down about 30.
    3. Find me anywhere I’ve talked about “the AZ establishment”. I haven’t. They’re solidly behind McCain and would be if he was found with a live boy and a dead girl. I’ve referenced the conservative wing of the Republican Party. Period.

    You really should comment on things that you actually know something about. Of course, we wouldn’t get to read anything by you again, but oh well.

  • bs61

    The exact same people were running – Florida needs to jump on the anti-incumbent wagon!

  • eburke

    in the primary, much less spending what sounds like their whole wad on one race?

    WTF? So is the RPOF a daughter organization of the NRSC?

  • mbecker908

    focused attack ads I’ve seen. It was instantly to the point – the enemy is Obama not another Republican candidate (and he’s been hammered by Vernon Parker) – it was clean, him talking in single syllable words and didn’t mix any messages.

  • http://rightthemes.com rightthemes

    all the way. He is one of the most exciting candidates in the nation, we Floridians are proud and excited to have the opportunity to vote for him come November. It is not a lock – absolutely nothing can be taken for granted. We need to fight fight fight all the way to Nov, but I think we have the winds at our back.

    The Scott issue is not insurmountable, conservatives WILL close ranks. As an Orlando resident, I am immeasurably excited to cast a vote for Webster against Grayson. I live in Downtown Orlando, and am more than willing to grab a Rubio, a Webster and a Scott sign and stand in front of the Senate office buildings on Robinson St. during drive time traffic, and politic for these admirable gentlemen.

    Now is not the time for discouragement, it is time to feel invigorated and work even harder across the finish line.

  • 6eorge Jetson
  • IJB
  • proudgop

    Lets hope rematch is better then last time. Schweikert will face Mitchell

  • mbecker908

    Stark ignorance like you display is an insult to the site.

  • azaeroprof

    I know Paul. He’s a decent guy and conservative, but I wouldn’t call him a “movement” conservative. He got embarrassed badly at an early debate by not knowing what the 10th amendment was.

    But he has been able to raise money fairly well (albeit mostly from other dentists) and has at least a decent shot at unseating Ann Kirkpatrick, who is a real piece of work who voted for Obamacare.

  • proudgop

    Alaska

    Miller is leading with 51 with 24% in

  • IJB

    …In favor of the GOP. I’m not sure you can make too much out of that, but it’s a good sign.

    To win this time, Schweikert will need a one-party ‘swing’ of R+5 (or more) from 2008 results.

    Considering that, nationally, we’ve often seen swings of R+8 to R+10 in other races, I think this is doable… :)

  • IJB

    You throw that term around like it’s potting soil, but nowhere have you shown where my comment was “ignorant” (just that you don’t like it).

    But, it’s OK – I find the challenge of you inspiring nonetheless…

  • aesthete

    It’s pretty hard to walk away from the ad without thinking “debonair badass who makes no bones about wanting to beat the hell out of Obama”. It’s really interesting in that it plays off of his wealth and “elite” status by portraying him with Randian overtones and reveling in this feature, instead of trying to out-sob story or out-”real America” the other candidates, which would have been impossible with his background.

    I’m a Gorman guy, but I have to admit, it was one of the better ads I’d seen.

  • proudgop

    will take on Giffords in 8th

    ( sorta shocked here)

  • septembergurl

    this could be a late night after all.

    Where is Achance or anybody from Alaska? How does it break down.

    Palin is having an excellent night. Marco & Allan West, several Reps and the Atty Gen in Arizona, (and er the old guy) if only we toss out RINO Murkowski, how sweet that would be!

  • aesthete

    Honestly, I didn’t help McClung that much (more focused on getting Kelly in AZ-08 over the finish line), but as a casual supporter, it was clear that McClung’s base of support was mobilized and strong. There are tons of McClung signs all over the place, and her voters are energized. I’ll call this one an extreme long shot, but rate it more winnable than I would have a week ago.

  • PDL81

    http://www.politico.com/2010/maps/
    w/ 29.2% in 50.7% to 49.3% lead ….547 vote differential.

  • mbecker908

    What’s your take?

    As for me, I really like the guy and I think if Patton etal will get behind him in a real positive way he can win.

  • SirGladiator

    A HUGE win for Conservatives if we win this Alaska Senate race, I’d say its about as big a swing to the right for a Senate seat as it will be when we beat Lincoln in Arkansas. What a huge win this will be for us, and all the RINOs will feel the shockwaves of this win!

  • IJB

    Not sure who showed up in AK tonight (and it’s still only 30% in), but these voters don’t seem any more enamored with the “establishment” than FL GOP voters were…

  • proudgop

    Paton already endorsed him

    I wish him well he needs money Giffords has 2 mill and he is broke

  • PDL81

    Go Joe!

  • proudgop

    Gosar has won 1st district nod

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Art has indicated a strong geographic divide, and if I read correctly, since Miller has more strength in the urban areas, which are more likely to be counted first, I’d suspect Murkowski will do better in the late tallies, which given the narrowness to date would seem to indicate that she’s going to win.

    But absolute numbers matter too, not just percentages, so the outcome will almost surely hinge on relative voter turnout between Miller’s turf and Murkowski’s turf.

  • proudgop

    I would of assumed Murkoswki would do well in big cities and thats what I assume comes in first??

  • mbecker908

    I think if he can get the local party solidly behind him, he can get the money.

    One of the things I’d like to see is the GOP candidates pooling some cash toward Nov. The most cash rich candidates, and the best fund raisers, don’t really need the money. Quayle will win in a walk and I wouldn’t really be surprised to see McCain get upwards of 80% of the vote (especially outside of Tucson) in his race. We have the solid potential to pick up three seats – 1, 5 & 8 – and all we need is $$ and some organizational help.

  • septembergurl

    Dave Weigel tweets to NRO that there is a parental notification issue on ballot and this has brought out the pro-lifers/impacting the AK Sen race??

  • IJB

    …Her win is going to be narrow, and unimpressive – at best, she’ll “squeak” it out.

    We can add her to the list of GOP “establishment” types who are getting strong warnings to move Right…

  • PDL81

    Hopefully the beginning of the end of another RINO Senator

  • SirGladiator

    I heard about that earlier today, no doubt that brought out a huge Pro-Life vote for Miller. Looking at the total votes so far, it looks like the GOP Primary vote is over THREE TIMES the size of the Dem Primary vote, so it looks like a cakewalk for Joe in the general! Not surprising of course, but always nice to see :) .

  • PDL81

    http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Alaska_Parental_Notification_Initiative,_Ballot_Measure_2_%282010%29

    Since Miller is the genuine Pro-lifer in the race, that may just be the difference in the votes. Let us hope it holds up.

  • itsjoanne

    Marco said one time he was so grateful to DeMint, because DeMint believed in him at a time when the only others who did lived in Marco’s house.

    And it’s looking VERY GOOD for Joe Miller. :)

  • trapperjohn

    There are still a lot of votes out in Murkowski country. This is not in the bag for Miller by a long shot. I voted for him and pushed him for all I was worth and I hope he wins. Even a close race is amazing because of the huge disparity in campaign funding.

  • SirGladiator

    Its a 1260 vote lead now, with 39.3 percent in. The news has already been good out of Florida, but this win will not just be the biggest and best win tonight, this could actually be our best win all YEAR, even better than beating that establishment guy in Utah!

  • mboyle1988

    SHUT THE FRONT DOOR???!!! WHAT????? And his lead is GROWING? Not SHRINKING? Oh god I hope this holds out. Oh crap son.

  • audax

    State of Alaska 2010 Primary Election
    August 24, 2010
    Unofficial Results 08/24/10
    22:05:07

    US SENATOR (R) REP
    Total
    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 196 44.7 %
    Times Counted 55046/487456 11.3 %
    Total Votes 54609

    ——————————————————————————–

    Miller, Joe REP 27787 50.88%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 26822 49.12%

  • aesthete

    Disclaimer: I am a non-paid volunteer for him, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

    Kelly’s been with the Tucson Tea Party from the beginning, starting out as a concerned citizen (yes, an actually concerned citizen, not a politician looking to cash in on the label), and then becoming more involved as a politician. He hasn’t been flawless, but of our citizen candidates, he has been the most polished and on-message. (Consider what we have seen thus far from Sharron Angle and Rand Paul, both of whom we should nevertheless support, and contrast to the lack of controversy we’ve seen from Kelly, even though he’s been at it longer than either of them.) He’s a very decent, sharp, low-key, guy in person, and while he doesn’t have Paul Ryan-like brilliance, he is obviously in command of the facts, and could definitely be counted on to be an articulate and intelligent conservative “happy warrior”. While he isn’t quite a wonk, he’s as close as it gets while still being part of the Tea Party “citizen candidate” movement; for those of you who don’t like wonks, this is a good thing in the case of our citizen candidates. He’s broadly supportive of states’ rights, and has stated his support for entitlement reform (which is the big issue confronting us long-term). He is solid on gun control and our Constitution. He hasn’t talked much about social issues one way or another (a good call in Tucson), but I asked him for his position on abortion, and his response was that he is in favor of repealing Roe vs Wade and the states handling the issue until such a time as it is tenable to introduce an amendment. In an attitude that is mistakenly seen as “cocky and freewheeling” by Politico (rebutted some in the comments), you can see that he is pretty unabashedly conservative and independent from “mainstream conservatism”, and that he makes no bones about it (a welcome bit of news, considering how it has strayed from the Clinton impeachment onwards). He’s pretty much the antithesis of the stereotype of the liberal elite, but he has been admirably restrained in his populist rhetoric (unlike someone like Huck).

    From a purely rational public choice point of view, Jesse Kelly lives or dies by the Tea Party movement: he is banking on their mobilization to win, and on their support to stay in office. Therefore, one can expect that though he might be unsympathetic to arguments about cutting Medicare (though not moreso than the average senior-beholden politician, meaning All Of Them), he is going to be tons better than the current batch. he will probably be somewhere between Jeff Flake and, say, a reliable conservative on Capital Hill, and would likely support the vast majority of real, non-radical cuts to government (which is about as good as it gets on the public choice front). The various interest groups that have backed him are almost uniformly dedicated to reducing government expenditures, besides various defense conservative endorsements.

    On that note, I’m glad that he has both been “in the thick of it” as a Marine, and that he hasn’t been inundated by endorsements from defense conservatives. He’s been in for four years (some guy showed his ignorance by snarking that it wouldn’t have been possible for Kelly to have been leading a squad with just 4 years’ experience), and is very much like most other Marines I know. He has a very Chuck DeVore-like sensibility to foreign policy (he’s somewhere in between that and Bush’s policy, which honestly isn’t a bad place to be). He would easily find a home on one of the GOP’s national security chairmanships, a good thing for nat defense cons and small government cons.

    He’s not a libertarian (yes, I can hear everyone’s collective sighs of relief that aesthete hasn’t supported one of “those people” :) ), but he is a conservative who cares deeply about the Constitution, who sincerely wants to reverse the trend of governmental and bureaucratic onanism via your tax dollars, and who is smart and practical enough to not trip other conservatives or himself in achieving this goal. IMO, he could turn out to be as much a logistical leader in Congress towards this end in much the same way that Paul Ryan has ended up taking up the intellectual banner of conservative/libertarianism in the House. His message discipline is something to be admired and emulated, as is is non-confrontational style, and my feel is that he’ll be a leader in the Senate. In short, he’s one of the better and more authentic “citizen candidates” that have cropped up all over America.

    I think that Paton will get behind him: most of their interaction hasn’t been too harsh (certainly not the slash-and-burn that we saw in FL with Scott and McCollum), and honestly, both are conservative (though Paton to a lesser extent, IMO).

  • IJB

    It would seem that these precincts are more favorable to the establishment candidates….

  • IJB

    [sigh...]

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Oops you forgot to mention that part.

  • audax

    See Politico is about 24 minutes later in reporting than SoS site, here is link:

    http://www.elections.alaska.gov/

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • aesthete

    for awhile. In Kelly’s case, I don’t really think he needs too much organizational help (though any help is good help, certainly). He does, OTOH, need cash. Totally winnable race pitting a Tea Party candidate against a “moderate” D, otherwise known as a conservative wet-dream. Just a little more money, and victory is eminently possible.

  • audax

    State of Alaska 2010 Primary Election
    August 24, 2010, Unofficial Results 08/24/10, 22:20:10

    Registered Voters 487456 – Cards Cast 92088 18.89% Num. Report Precinct 438 – Num. Reporting 218 49.77%

    US SENATOR (ADL) ADL
    Total
    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 218 49.8 %
    Times Counted 27705/487456 5.7 %
    Total Votes 19965

    US SENATOR (R) REP
    Total
    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 218 49.8 %
    Times Counted 62759/487456 12.9 %
    Total Votes 62254

    ——————————————————————————–

    Miller, Joe REP 32275 51.84%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 29979 48.16%

  • SirGladiator

    I’m not familiar with the Governor Primary, I’d have assumed that he would be the Conservative candidate since he was the right hand man of Governor Palin. Is he not as Conservative as I’d assumed?

  • PDL81

    http://soaelections.gci.net/data/results.htm

    This one is updating more quickly than Politico. w/ 49.77% in….51.84% to 48.16% Biggest lead of the night. 2,296 vote lead!

  • audax
  • IJB

    I’m not commenting on how conservative he is. Just that he’s the incumbent.

  • constitutionalconservative

    I ponied up $50 but should have done more. Except for the Tea Party express, who was outstanding, national grassroots conservatives really dropped the ball in this one. The Republican is going to hold that seat no matter what and it should have been obvious that Murkowski was vulnerable to a primary challenge. I stupidly believed the polls. This was the perfect seat for us to make a run at.

    We should have been there early and often with money for Miller, who would give us, along with Mike Lee, two outstanding Constitutional Conservatives in the Senate next cycle with others like Angle, Paul, Buck, Rubio, etc. as strong possibilities to win as well.

    Well, so far, it looks good for Miller anyway, but the absentees will probably break signfiicantly for Murkowski– and it really depends on where the uncounted vote is right now.

    Crossing my fingers ;-)

  • SIConservative

    We all owe Lisa Murkowski a debt of gratitude for overlooking Miller’s candidacy for so long.

  • audax

    State of Alaska 2010 Primary Election
    August 24, 2010
    Unofficial Results 08/24/10
    22:27:50

    US SENATOR (R) REP
    Total
    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 225 51.4 %
    Times Counted 64074/487456 13.1 %
    Total Votes 63560

    ——————————————————————————–

    Miller, Joe REP 32955 51.85%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 30605 48.15%

  • PDL81

    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 225 51.4 %
    Times Counted 64074/487456 13.1 %
    Total Votes 63560
    Miller, Joe REP 32955 51.85%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 30605 48.15%

  • SirGladiator

    Certainly you can make the case that absentees would favor Murkowski due to her presumed large lead during the times they were cast, but then again absentee votes tend to be cast by more knowledgable and Conservative voters, which of course would suggest a Miller advantage. So I wouldn’t just write those votes off just yet :) .

  • constitutionalconservative

    Based on past history it is really doubtful there are more than 100K votes in this primary (2004 there were 86K and 2008 104K I think). This is an off-year election so turnout is likely to be less than 2008, at the very least. Future precincts will have fewer voters than those that have reported. But I am really nervous about the absentees, especially if they voted early.

  • mboyle1988

    I’ll say a prayer for Joe Miller before I go to bed. Wouldn’t Absentee ballots be counted already? I know in Florida and Texas, at least, they get counted first…

    Gah. Go Miller.

  • trapperjohn

    My wife and two daughters voted absentee…all for Miller

  • IJB

    Based on my back-of-the-envelope calculations, Murkowski would have to win something like 60% of the remaining approx. 36,000 votes left (assuming 100,000 total votes in this Primary) to erase here >2,250 vote deficit.

    If that’s about right (and who can trust a back-of-the-envelop calculation!?), I don’t see her pulling this out…

  • audax

    Believe this shows where votes have been counted:

    http://elect.alaska.net/data/cards.pdf

  • audax
  • constitutionalconservative

    I figure she needs something on the order of 54% of the outstanding votes out there if there are 100K votes. Certainly very doable for her though it is encouraging that our lead is growing.

    Does anyone know how much of Fairbanks metro (Miller’s home base) is reporting?

    I was up in Alaska a few weeks ago with the family and was encouraged by the Number of Miller signs I saw– even in the Anchorage area.

  • trapperjohn

    Bush=rural Alaska=no road access.

    Those will go Murky, but it will still be close

  • constitutionalconservative

    But there are also a lot fewer Republican voters in most of the Bush districts, particularly late-reporting native villages.

  • audax
  • constitutionalconservative

    There were 101K votes when Palin was taking on Murkowski’s dad (the Incumbent Gov) and another strong Republican candidate.
    I know political interest is higher this year, but it is hard to see how R turnout will top 2006 when that was the featured race. So I figure there can’t be more than 40K votes left out there– and possibly much fewer.

  • trapperjohn

    But most of those are independent voters who can choose the republican ticket in the primary and many of them like Murky

  • trapperjohn

    And a lot of those precincts have not reported

  • audax

    It’s 23:28 and they show a vote update at 22:46 but continue to show reults from 22:27…

  • PDL81

    US SENATOR (R) REP
    Total
    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 268 61.2 %
    Times Counted 79966/487456 16.4 %
    Total Votes 79348
    Miller, Joe REP 40841 51.47%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 38507 48.53%

  • audax

    State of Alaska 2010 Primary Election
    August 24, 2010
    Unofficial Results 08/24/10
    23:17:30

    Registered Voters 487456 – Cards Cast 116169 23.83% Num. Report Precinct 438 – Num. Reporting 268 61.19%

    US SENATOR (R) REP
    Total
    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 268 61.2 %
    Times Counted 79966/487456 16.4 %
    Total Votes 79348

    Miller, Joe REP 40841 51.47%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 38507 48.53%

  • constitutionalconservative

    But how encouraging depends on who is reporting. We got 10% more of the electorate in and Murkowski gained something like 20 votes.

  • trapperjohn

    Miller still holding lead

  • audax
  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Joe Miller is now at 51.47 per cent, 49,841 total votes.

    Lisa Murkowski is at 48.53 per cent, 38,507 total votes.

    Alaska guys and gals, is it still possible for Murkowski to pull off a comeback?

    Thanks,

    For Liberty,
    ColdWarrior, PC (that?s ?precinct committeeman,? not ?political child!?)
    Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW! (69 days until Nov. 2 — what are YOU DOING to help get out the vote in your precinct?)

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior
  • Achance

    We’ll see, still a long night ahead to see if the Hitler Youth wing of the Republican Party prevails.

  • audax

    79,348 votes (and 268 of 438 precincts reporting)
    vs,
    63,560 votes (and 225 precints reporting)

    thats what over 19% more voters?

  • trapperjohn

    the bush. That’s scary. But still, Murky will have to win big there and I don’t think there will be a big turnout in those villages . They have other things on their mind this time of year…like getting ready for winter.

  • audax
  • trapperjohn

    Most of the remaining votes are in areas in which she will be stronger than Miller

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    CW

  • trapperjohn

    I’ve voted for Don since I was a kid and I have a full head of white hair now. I didn’t vote for him this year but knew it was futile.

  • audax
  • Achance

    Don’t know what’s going on. There aren’t many precincts left with paper ballots; most are OCR and should feed straight to the computers.

  • audax

    State of Alaska 2010 Primary Election
    August 24, 2010
    Unofficial Results 08/24/10
    23:41:42

    US SENATOR (R) REP
    Total
    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 288 65.8 %
    Times Counted 84674/487456 17.4 %
    Total Votes 84035

    Miller, Joe REP 43458 51.71%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 40577 48.29%

  • nvrepub

    nt

  • nvrepub

    nt

  • audax
  • trapperjohn

    Looking a little bit more like Miller time. But not yet, this is Alaska after all.

  • audax

    ..Will have to do with a Budvar, Zlaty bazant or Pilsner Urquell after I finish exercising the horses…no drinkin’ and drivin’ over here..0% tolerance..LOL

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    It keeps getting better in AK for Joe Miller

    With 65.8 per cent in, 288 of 438 precincts reporting:

    Joe Miller: 43,458, 51.71 per cent

    Lisa Murkowski: 40,577, 48.29 per cent

    Spread: 2,881 votes.

    Questions to the AK guys and gals:

    Is this an insurmountable lead?

    What triggers a recount?

    Thanks.

    CW

  • trapperjohn

    Sorry about that.

    I’m still nervously awaiting the results from the bush. They are just not reporting

  • audax
  • audax
  • trapperjohn

    and there is no automatic recount. but a candidate can request a recount and if it is closer than 1/2% the state will pay for it. Otherwise the candidate pays for it.

    At least that is the way i believe it is.

  • Achance
  • audax

    …so far, won’t Lisa M. have to pull off a miracle to overcome Miller lead if they anticipate only 100,000 total Rep voters???

  • audax

    “Is this an insurmountable lead?

    What triggers a recount?”

    Especially the insurmountable lead question. seems like a lot of precincts are not reporting yet but vote count is really high.

  • trapperjohn

    and resume in hte morning

    It’s 12:29 AM. Goodnight

  • audax

    State of Alaska 2010 Primary Election
    August 24, 2010
    Unofficial Results 08/25/10
    00:14:58

    US SENATOR (R) REP
    Total
    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 313 71.5 %
    Times Counted 86288/487456 17.7 %
    Total Votes 85641

    Miller, Joe REP 44388 51.83%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 41253 48.17%

  • audax

    with 313 of 438 precincts reporting, Miller maintining, and slightly increasing his % lead over Lisa M.

    Have a VERY GOOD nights sleep everyone! Unless of course ACORN has a very active branch in Alaska…LOL

  • trapperjohn

    But the Bush is still not in. I guess counting is over till morning.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    313 precincts out of 438 have reported.

    Joe Miller leads Lisa Murkowski by 3,135 votes, 44,388 to 41,253.

    Is this a lock? Politico has not called it yet.

    Alaska folks, what say you?

    Thanks!

    CW

  • audax

    State of Alaska 2010 Primary Election
    August 24, 2010
    Unofficial Results 08/25/10
    00:30:29

    US SENATOR (R) REP
    Total
    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 339 77.4 %
    Times Counted 86837/487456 17.8 %
    Total Votes 86176

    ——————————————————————————–

    Miller, Joe REP 44586 51.74%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 41590 48.26%

  • audax

    ,176 votes cast in senate primary. Miller keeps 51%+ lead

  • audax

    my typing is worse than ColdWarrior’s…LOL

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Joe Miller: 51.74 %, 44,586 votes

    Lisa Murkowski: 48.26 %, 41,590 votes

    Spread: 2,996 votes.

    Politico has these numbers and has not yet called it for Miller.

    Alaska folks, should we non-AK people just go to bed now? Will the AK officials continue the tally into the wee hours or finish in the morning?

    The suspense is killing me! I so want Joe Miller to win this — will really send shock waves through the RINO ranks.

    Thanks!

    CW

  • audax
  • audax

    and resumes in morning so guess this is the last update this early AM which we already posted above:

    UNOFFICIAL RESULTS
    STATEWIDE SUMMARY
    Click on one of the following formats and
    “Reload” or “Refresh” each screen for the latest results.

    - in htm – or – in pdf – or – in text

    Last Updated 00:39:37 AKDT, August 25, 2010

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    This is what I wrote elsewhere earlier tonight to some AZ folks who wanted to dump McCain.

    As you probably know, I advocate what I call The Neighborhood Precinct Committeeman Strategy. The idea is to UNITE all conservatives INSIDE a single political party, the Republican Party, where we can work together in the real ball game of politics — party politics — to take back the Republican Party from the current RINO leadership and turn it into a 100 per cent strong political juggernaut.

    Assume we had done that this election cycle. There are 30 GOP legislative district committees in Arizona, one for each legislative district. In 2008, on average, TWO THIRDS of the precinct committeeman slots were vacant. In Maricopa County, for example, there were 1,989 PC slots filled in the County for about 6,231 slots for about 698,000 registered Republicans. Now, we’ve got 3,593 for 6,241 slots. We’ve gone from 31.8 per cent strength to 57.6 per cent strength

    In my Legislative district, we had 69 PCs for about 250 slots. Now we’ve got 130. We’ve gone from less than one-third strength to over 50 per cent strength.

    Imagine if all the conservative tea partiers/9.12-ers, etc. had become elected PCs and gotten the party from one-third strength, and split about 50-50 between RINOs and conservatives, and taken it to full-strength with about a 75-80 per cent conservative majority.

    You know what could have happened, then? In every legislative district committee (assuming the bylaws allow it — some don’t) and at every county executive committee, someone could have submitted a resolution to ENDORSE J.D. Hayworth (or Jim Deakin). Whichever candidate had the necessary votes (need 60 per cent at the Maricopa County executive committee; need only a majority at the LD 17 committee, per the bylaws) would have gotten the endorsement.

    Hypothetically, imagine if, for example, J.D., or Jim Deakin, had been able to say, starting a few months ago, “I’ve received the endorsement of every Republican Party legislative district committee and every Republican county committee in the state. I, and not John McCain, am the Party-endorsed candidate because I, and not John McCain, actually support the Republican Party Platform and I, unlike John McCain, will not introduce unconstitutional legislation like McCain-Feingold and “Cap & Tax.”

    And you may have heard, the Maricopa County Republican committee DID vote to endorse a candidate. Exactly 60 per cent of the members two meetings ago voted to endorse conservative Bill Montgomery for County Attorney over RINO Rick Romley. Why wasn’t a vote like that taken for J.D. Hayworth? Because, while some thought we had the votes for Bill, we didn’t think we had enough for J.D. [By the way, Bill Montgomery BEAT Rick Romley tonight by over 10 percentage points.]

    Folks, please stop calling each other names. Please UNITE politically. The BEST place to do that, in my humble opinion, is INSIDE the Republican Party as a precinct committeeman. By becoming a PC, you’ll make the Party stronger and more conservative. Then we can REALLY make a difference POLITICALLY. Voting is not enough. You have to participate in the real ball game of politics — party politics — and as some of you here know, that ball game is played at your local Republican Party legislative district committee. It doesn’t take a lot of time, but it is so, so, so very important.

    If your candidate ends up losing today, don’t blame the candidate. Put the blame where it belongs. On yourself. Did you make Get Out The Vote calls? Did you walk your precinct? Put up signs? Donate time or money? Etc.? If ALL of us would do a little, we would accomplish much. Especially if we UNITE.

    Thanks,
    CW

  • Oz

    enough to say whether they have polled Murkowski’s strong areas or Millers.

    Achance is probably asleep like a normal person just when I need him to be able to tell me :-)

    I do like the huge turnout in the GOP primary versus the ADL.

    Hopefully it portends good things in November and Miller over Murkowski would be great assuming that it means that he would be able to get some $$$$$$$$$ from outsider Republicans.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_primary_rdp

    Also, FYI, a fellow West Pointer found my little blog and created this AK precinct committeeman recruitment site a while back:

    http://precinctprojectalaska.wordpress.com/

    Thanks,

    CW

  • audax

    “Don’t worry; he’s awake and watching. nt
    Achance Wednesday, August 25th at 4:22AM EDT (link) ”

    But I don’t think this race is going the way Art wants it to……

  • Mary Beth

    “Not sure where confusion came from, but Division of Elections now saying they’ll continue counting through the night.”

    http://twitter.com/adndotcom/status/22073266921

  • Mary Beth

    …since it’s been an hour since the last update.

    http://twitter.com/adndotcom/status/22075835261

  • Mary Beth

    http://soaelections.gci.net/data/results.htm

  • audax

    Date:08/25/10
    Time:01:59:02
    US SENATOR (R) REP
    Total
    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 368 84.0 %
    Times Counted 88486/487456 18.2 %
    Total Votes 87795
    Miller, Joe REP 45180 51.46%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 42615 48.54%

  • audax
  • audax

    …and Miller has a 2,565 vote lead, down a little BUT still maintaing his 51%+ win rate.

  • audax

    …saw your earlier post and checked agian…..sure ‘nuf!!!! This is GREAT!!! Miller still maintaining lead!

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    your best guess.

  • audax
  • audax

    State of Alaska 2010 Primary Election
    August 24, 2010
    Unofficial Results 08/25/10
    03:56:12

    US SENATOR (R) REP
    Total
    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 429 97.9 %
    Times Counted 90618/487456 18.6 %
    Total Votes 89858

    Miller, Joe REP 45909 51.09%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 43949 48.91%

  • drivlikejehu

    There are still a lot of absentee ballots out there, enough that it is conceivable Murkowski could still prevail.

  • SirGladiator

    Joe Miller has pulled off quite the shocker! This is a huge victory for Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, Conservatism, and of course all of America! Now all that’s left is for Murkowski to do what the Conservative candidates in Georgia and Wyoming recently did when actually trailing by less than one percentage point (Murkowski is currently down by more than two percentage points), and that is to concede instead of asking for a recount or absentees or whatever. Will Murkowski be the Team Player that the Conservative candidates were, when faced with much closer races than this one? Or will she ask for a recount, and overseas absentees, etc etc and drag this out for weeks? Here’s hoping that Murkowski will do what’s right for the Republican Party, and all the people of America, and publicly congratulate Joe Miller on this fantastic and exciting victory!

  • audax

    Not yet, audax
    SIConservative Wednesday, August 25th at 8:11AM EDT (link)
    See my comment below” which was “With all but nine precincts reporting, Miller leads by 1960 votes, or 2.18%. The caveat here, though, is that more than 16,000 absentee ballots were mailed out, and they won?t be counted until Aug. 31. The good thing is that the Democrats just nominated a sacrificial lamb, so even if this is dragged out, it really doesn?t matter.”

    right….
    audax Wednesday, August 25th at 8:28AM EDT (link)
    ?haven?t done math but Lisa M. would need a HUGE chunk of those to win. Can you imagine what would be going on today of the numbers were reversed? The calls for Miller to concede and unite behind the winner would be deafening. Too bad tha it is only a one way street when it comes to the ?R? acrynom whose name we should never mention on this site. Conservative?s -noun have a long way to go with the Precinct Committeeman project to marginalize ?them? in the GOP.

  • audax
  • proudgop

    i assume huge chunk of those ballots are from military bases

    It looks tough for her to overcome ( plus its likely a lot might of not even sent in their ballots at all)

  • audax

    Just excellant Sir Gladiator!!!!!!

  • Oz

    Okay, Joe Miller won the primary and I’m glad.

    Now, can he win in November.

  • Oz

    Okay, Joe Miller won the primary and I’m glad.

    Now, can he win in November.

  • audax

    Where have we heard all THAT before? In the Miller/Murkowski campaign?the Palin/Murkowski campaign? the Palin/Knowles campaign? I remember hearing it in the Reagan/Ford campaign (and we KNOW how THAT turned out) and again in the Reagan/Carter campaign… need I say more?.

  • IJB

    …I’m getting Murkowski would need over 56% of them to close the gap.

    Like I said last night, I’m not thinking that is all that likely.

    It’s unfortunate that we’ll have to wait a week before we know for sure who won this… :/

  • Oz

    It’s a simple question really that shows neither cowardice or pessimism.

    Can he raise enough money to win?

    I sure hope so.

  • drivlikejehu

    I’m not knowledgeable about Alaskan politics but here’s what it looks like to me: It’s unlikely there will be more than 10,000 GOP ballots returned, even if the overall return rate is very high. So Murkowski needs to win about 60% in that scenario to prevail. At a more modest return rate, she needs closer to two-thirds.

    Basically it comes down to who is voting absentee and when the vote was cast, since Miller had late momentum (early votes may not be as favorable).

    One interesting thing is that the parental notification ballot measure is not really winning by a huge margin. These provisions are normally pretty popular and turnout is about 70% Republican, but the ballot prop has only 55%. If social conservatives had turned out in droves, I’d expect it to be somewhat higher.

    My guess is that Miller eventually wins by less than a thousand votes.

  • audax

    We heard it in the Palin/Murkowski campaign….how did that Palin/Knowles election turn out again? we heard it in Reagan/Ford campaign of ’76. How did the Carter/Ford election turn out? Again the “moderates” in the GOP said same thing about Reagan vs. Carter, to be proved OH SO WRONG four very long years after Ford/Carter. There are so many examples out there it makes me sick. “Moderates” (yeah we know what they are really called but can’t use that acronym and risk banning) asking “Can the Conservative-NOUN win in November, then not backing the Conservative-noun to make a self fulfilling result. Time for Murkowski to concede and get behind the winner!!!

  • audax

    Here is first sentence from adn.com at 5:39 PM 8/23/2010: “Sen. Lisa Murkowski has more than 20 times as much campaign cash as Republican primary challenger Joe Miller”. Read more: http://www.adn.com/2010/07/15/1368943/murkowski-has-big-edge-in-fundraising.html#ixzz0xcm8YcRs

    Where will the Republican Senate Campaign Committee be? Dumping money into Castle and Kirk races? Tell me again how many people voted in ADL primary? oh…just looked at 4:00 AM results with 97.9% of precincts reporting (429 of 438) and it was 29,837 vs 89,858 in the GOP. Looking at the rest of the state wide Alaska races results weren’t much different, 3:1 GOP over ADL.

    Murkowski needs to get behind Miller and make sure a Republican/Conservative-noun goes to Washington DC in November!

  • trapperjohn

    Right now it appears that Joe Miller has won. I don’t think the absentee votes will turn this around but this will not be over until they are counted.

    It is likely that the Ds will find a more substantial candidate to replace the little known Scott McAdams but I still believe Joe Miller will win in November.

    It won’t be a cakewalk like Murkowski’s race would have been but he will definetely win. Alaska does not want a D to sit next to Begich.

  • audax
  • audax

    Has been a GOOD Day here too! Hope with all that white hair people don’t mistake you for a “Papa” Polar Bear….LOL….When will it be time for Murkowski to concede and throw support to Miller for Novembers election?

  • trapperjohn

    That would be good for the Republican party. But I don’t expect her to do that. This has been a shocker for the establishment and I think it will take awhile for reality to set in and realize they need to do the right thing.

    There is a republican “unity” party on Thursday in Anchorage. I plan to attend. If she hasn’t conceded by then you can bet a lot of us Miller people will be calling for it.

  • SIConservative

    The general election was over long before the primary. The Dems nominated a sacrificial lamb who had less than $10k in the bank as of his last FEC report. If that weren’t enough, the Governor’s race will be a cake walk. The primary decided who will be AK’s Senator.

  • audax

    direct email audax1954@yahoo.com. Thanks a lot!

  • SIConservative

    The Dems have no shot, and she still does. There is no reason at all for any candidate to concede when he or she still has a realistic chance of having won. This isn’t even in the “stranger things have happened” category. There is no reason at all to think that she can’t come back.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    I don’t really expect them to be from Chicago, but you get my drift…

    Or was she overconfident and neglected to take out “insurance” so to speak?

    And who do the Democrats have on their reserve bench to pinch hit?

  • trapperjohn

    I would hope she would concede before that time.

  • trapperjohn

    They could always trot out Tony Knowles again. Or they could pull up someone from the state senate. They have a few leaders there that would have a statewide presence. Or they could grab someone from the business sector in the state.

    There are certainly many better candidates the one who won the primary.

  • Achance

    The request of a candidate triggers the recount, the margin determines who pays.

    The next move is the Democrats’ play. I can’t believe they’ll pass up the opportunity to put one of their well known statewide candidates on their ballot. Then all you “true conservatives” can be happy with the two liberal Democrats you’ve helped send to represent Alaska in the US Senate.

  • SIConservative

    This coming from the man who said a few months ago that Murkowski would still be in the Senate. Not for nothing, but your credibility took a major hit.

  • constitutionalconservative

    I don’t understand the casual assertion by you and Achance that the Dems can just drop their primary winner. Even if it is technically legal (and I’d have a hard time believing it is) it would look really, really shady to the voters.

    The Mayor of Sitka may not be Tony Knowles but he ain’t Alvin Greene either. He’s a real political figure and mayor of the fifth or sixth largest city in the state (I think) and he can’t just be cast aside that easily.

    Is there a lot of precedent for pulling this sort of move in AK politics. I’m not aware of any?

  • IJB

    It ain’t happening.

  • trapperjohn

    won that way. He replaced the AIP candidate and beat both the Rs and Ds. Most of the state would understand why it was done and would not hold it agaisnt the Ds for doing it. On the other hand, I still don’t think they would win.

  • IJB

    …Will only burn more cash that national Dems can’t afford to burn.

    If I was advising the DSCC, I’d just advise them to let this one go – pouring money in AK in a futile attempt to win it in a year like this, will just cost them other races like CT and WA and WI that they might still win if they marshal their resources.

  • Achance

    I thought the Senator would have enough support in the rest of the State to overcome the Mat-Su Valley and the Fairbanks suburbs, but there was little turnout in much of the rest of the State because there were so few contested races. There are NO contested races here in Juneau and my district returned only about 2000 total votes, less than 20% turnout.

    Worst case, Palin and the Tea Party types have surrendered this seat to the Democrats if they put one of their well-known candidates in the race. Best case, Alaska has surrendered all of its seniority in the Senate.

  • IJB
  • SIConservative

    If you thought it would be close, you shouldn’t have had such confidence in your assertion that Murkowski would win. You were wrong, way wrong.

    Stop your whining. You lost. America won. This was a severe blow to the kind of politics that put the country in the financial hole we’re in. I’m glad to see that enough Alaskans put fiscal sanity above pork. Even while crying a river, noblesse oblige demands that you tip your cap to the stellar campaign that beat long odds. Unfortunately, though, you seem more interested in throwing a tantrum. Grow up.

  • trapperjohn

    as an independent?

  • constitutionalconservative

    I knew about Hickel, but it is one thing for a fringe outfit like the AIP to do that and another thing entirely for the Dems to do it. Just can’t see that happening.

    I do think MIller is going to face some tough opposition research from the Dems, but barring anything truly scandalous, it is hard to see an R losing to a little known D in Alaska during this cycle.

  • eburke

    on Schweikert’s win in CD-5. IIRC that’s Mitchell’s seat and since I used to live in Tempe, it sure’d be nice to see Dave take “Mayor Mitchell” out.

    (and I am beyond ecstatic to hear that Romley the Weasel finally got dumped. Nice job, dude!)

  • Achance

    but they can certainly “persuade” him to drop out in favor of someone else, and there is precedent for it but only with the AIP to the best of my recollection.

    The Ds have Knowles and Ulmer, both of whom have won statewide. French got as many votes as McAdams in a losing bid for the D nominee for Governor. Bob Poe is a very viable General Election candidate if he can get money.

    This is another game now. There is a lot of residual ill-will towards Sen. Murkowski because of the way she first came to the office. Her appointment and re-election colored everything we did in the first two years of the Murkowski Administration and we never recovered from the hit we took over it. It took a full-court press by Sen. Stevens and Cong. Young to get her re-elected in ’04. Both of them stumped the State for her and Young practically abandoned his own campaign to campaign for her, something that cost him a lot of his usual margin. Her weakness is more of a factor in this than Miller’s strength or Palin’s influence. I don’t really care about losing Lisa Murkowski, but I really, really care about losing Alaska’s seniority and about the possibility of the Ds throwing a major league candidate in.

  • Achance

    I and everybody else thought Murkowski would win, though it became increasingly obvious that it would be close; it’s still close. Larry Sabato is on FOX right now saying the same thing. I’m not whining and I don’t really much care for Lisa Murkowski. I care about Alaska’s seniority in the Senate; now we have none and are represented by an idiot in the majority and, if he wins, a neophyte in the minority. That and the fear of the Ds throwing Knowles or Ulmer into the race and us winding up with two Democrats in the Senate. I’ve lived through eight years of Democrat rule under Knowles because of Republican stupidity and fratricide and I never underestimate the ability of Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    You don’t know jack about Alaska politics and this race had NOTHING to do with “fiscal sanity above pork.” If Miller gets to the Senate, he’ll either “bring home the bacon” or Alaska voters will replace him with someone who will. It also had little to do with Sarah Palin who really doesn’t have much influence here anymore outside her home territory in the Mat-Su Valley. It had a lot to do with the risidual ill-will towards Murkowski from the way she got the seat and the fact that she ran a lousy campaign. She tried to stay “nice” and “Senatorial” while Miller and his supporters excoriated her nonstop.

  • eburke

    splitting the conservative vote and allowing a mod to win?

  • trapperjohn

    If the rest of the Rs do what they need to do and get behind hiim. If a major indy jumps in and a major D replaces McAdams then all bets are off.

    I still think in that scenario Miller will win.

    He won more because of the major issue differences between he and Murkowski than for any other reason.

    There are going to be some major newcomers to this next senate. They will demand some say based on their mandate. If the R establishment has learned anything, they will give it to them.. I don’t count on the R establishment to learn anything however, they grasp at their dwindling hold on power, it will have to be taken out of their weakening fingers.

  • SIConservative

    You couldn’t call this race two months ago and you’re already predicting what will happen in six years. Miller’s support came from limited government types and pro-lifers who voted on account of the ballot measure. You sound like soon to be former Sen. Bennett, talking about how his colleagues laughed when he told them that those in his home state said he wasn’t conservative enough. You’re out of touch with your own state. While you care only about getting free stuff for nothing, others in your state understand that TANSTAAFL. The wheel has turned, and it is time, it is time for your “where’s my free stuff?” politics to go.

  • pilgrim

    Every state is subject at some point in time to surrendering Senate seniority, and it has been Alaska’s turn since the 2008 election. Lisa has only got 8 years in. I would not call that very much Senate seniority. There is always going to be turnover, and no state can always have Senate seniority.

  • mom2oneson

    You shoud go back and read some of Achance’s diaries. You have no idea what your talking about. Achance is an expert on Alaska’s political history and for sure he isn’t a free lunch type.

  • mom2oneson

    You shoud go back and read some of Achance’s diaries. You have no idea what your talking about. Achance is an expert on Alaska’s political history and for sure he isn’t a free lunch type.

  • Scope

    I’m very happy that the good guy one. It is especially sweet when it is someone not well known, and especially not having the big war chest of the opponent. It’s a good day to be an Alaskan. Enjoy the victory.

  • BigGator5

    You’re joking, right? Do you honestly don’t know?

  • mom2oneson

    nt

  • SIConservative

    Yes, he is an expert on the state’s political history. That’s entirely different from understanding the current political landscape. Given his degree of confidence in a Murkowski victory, it’s quite clear that Alaska has shifted significantly and he has taken no notice.

  • mom2oneson

    He knows what is going on now unlike almost everyone else that is saying how Palin didn’t spend and things like that. The most important thing though is what he see this election meaning as far as the loss of power in the senate. Achance and Mbecker both really understand power in the big picture.

  • aesthete

    One hopes that next time, we can find a good challenger for McCain and do just that. In the meantime, we have 3 House seats to win from the Dems, and a Governorship to keep.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Seems like you’ve been away a long time. I’m at a low point myself these days in terms of participation.

  • aesthete

    in forever. I’ll probably start maintaining a low profile myself, pretty soon: demanding schedule and all.

  • DavidS1787

    N/t

  • audax

    your just teasing right?