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The Joe Miller Moneybomb

Friends, there is a moneybomb underway for Joe Miller in Alaska.

He needs all the support he can get right now.

The odds of victory are in his favor, but he’s going to take a huge financial hit to keep the NRSC and Murkowski from stealing his victory.

Support Joe with what you can. I know money is tight. But we need this guy in the Senate. And considering just how badly the NRSC has treated him and John Cornyn and Rob Jesmer having hinted they want another term at the helm of the NRSC — why that’s all the more reason we need Joe Miller in the Senate.

He’s not afraid to call out the NRSC.

COMMENTS

  • rdelbov

    Today is his big day. They count the absentee-question ballots and those early votes not counted on election day. Plus there is one voting location 30-855 (Laurel-Dowling) that did not get counted on election day. It has 496 ballots(probably 80% GOP) and should be about 50-50 between Miller and Murkowski.

    The early votes-to be counted-appear to be districts 1,2,12 plus 33 to 40. Miller actually carried about 1/2 of those districts so he may be okay with those ballots.

    I think the question ballots (votes cast on election day out of precinct) will lean towards Miller while the absentees will either be even or slightly to Murkowski.

    That’s just a guess on my part.

  • fpete13527
  • partyof1

    I’ll give to Joe Miller again but never to NRSC or RNC. There are so many other worthy groups like Senate Conservatives Fund, Republican Governors Association, Club for Growth, or just direct to candidates.

    I hope the NRSC’s funding dries up until they get religion about what supporting conservatism really means.

  • Achance

    of trying to steal the election have to somehow be persuaded that they should actually get out and support Miller if he ultimately wins. I leave it to others to decide how wise it was for the Miller Campaign to start doing its victory dance with only a 1668 vote lead and as many as 25K ballots left to count.

    The stuff about the NRSC and the Murkowski Campaign stealing the election may get some people dumb enough to take it at face value to open their wallets, but there really is no way to steal an election here once the ballots are in the hands of the Division of Elections except by the Administration itself perpetrating and covering up a massive fraud. I shouldn’t need to remind you that the Administration doing the counting is the PALIN/PARNELL Administration. The only person in the election offices who can actually decide whether and how a vote counts is the Regional Manager, each one either a Palin/Parnell appointee or a holdover appointee that Palin/Parnell decided to keep and they all serve at the pleasure. The Regional Manger’s determination can be appealed by either campaign’s observer to the Director of the Division of Elections, also a Palin/Parnell appointee or a holdover appointee that Palin/Parnell chose to keep. The decision of the Director is a final administrative determination under Alaska law and is appealable directly to the Superior Court, the decision of which can be appealed to the AKSC. The appeal of a Superior Court’s decision is not discretionary by the SC, if any party with standing appeals, the case will be heard.

    There is, however, little likelihood of a dispute reaching the AKSC before Nov. 2, and the AKSC has shown itself to be very, very reticent to upset election results even when there was pretty graphic evidence of wrongdoing, e.g, Hammonds elections in ’74 and ’78 and Knowles’ election in ’94.

    In any event, I doubt they’ll get them all counted today, but they could if there are few challenges, and there will be at least two more counts on the 3rd for the last domestic absentees and the 8th for internaitional votes, and there are a lot of Alaskans in the military overseas. I don’t know if the ballots have been prescreened by election workers and an Elections decision made as to whether and how to count. That was the case with the Questioned Ballots last week, so the only observers did was review the decisions of the Division on whether and how to count a ballot. For this race the “how to count” the ballot is pretty much irrelevant unless the voter either chose the “ballot measures only” ballot or was eligible to vote only on the ballot measures So, the only determination is whether the person voting a Republican ballot was a properly registered Republican or Undeclared or No Party. Even if they got a ballot for the wrong State House or Senate District and couldn’t vote for the lower races, they could vote for the Statewide races. There shouldn’t be much to contest but there may be instances of Ds, Ls, AIPs claiming to have been NPs and requesting a Republican ballot and that not having been caught when the ballot was requested. In that case, the ballot would only be counted on the ballot measures, not the partisan races.

  • rdelbov

    familar with Alaskan procedure. When a person requests an absentee is it party specific or do they just vote only their party section of the ballot?

    I would be concerned if that people would vote for choices in every party if it was listed on one ballot.

    Just wondering. In addition to you or anyone in AK please post any updates that you get.

    Thanks

  • The_Rebel

    to Alaska is being pulled out now:

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/31/miller-sees-prospect-of-bad-blood-with-fellow-republicans/

    From what you are saying, there is not much they can do there.

  • jenniferjmilleresq

    when the AK Div. of Elections posts the first update to the numbers. I’m not worried about Republicans voting against the Democrat in AK in November, regardless of a rocky primary.

  • bk

    You have to say which one you want. See box 15.

  • bk
  • Achance

    One is called the RUN ballot and can be requested and voted by registered Republicans, undeclared, and no party voters. The other is called the ADL ballot and can be voted by anyone who asks for one including registered Republicans and NPs.

    I assume that when a ballot is requested, Elections determines if the person is elibible for the ballot they request, but there is room for mistakes here and sometimes people change registration at the last moment One of the things an observer would want to verify is that a person voting the RUN ballot is actually currently registered as a Republican or NP. There are lots of other reasons to question a ballot, but only for the downticket races does precinct and district mean anything.

  • Finrod

    After all, you’ve told us many times what a thorough job the Palin Administration did in cleaning out the Alaskan state government of Democratic holdovers. Oh, wait.

    I know if I was a Democratic officeholder in Alaska, I’d much rather see the Senate race lost to the Republican that got her seat via nepotism and has a history of being a moderate than to the new young reformer-type that’s against everything I’m for.

  • audax

    http://www.elections.alaska.gov/results/10PRIM/index.shtml

    Thanks

  • Achance

    I don’t have any way to check the start dates for all those regional managers short of a PRA request and I ain’t doing that for this blog. I know that the Director is a Republican appointee but I can’t remember if Gail was appointed late in Murkowski and kept or is a Palin/Parnell appointee, but I think she’s Palins. I know that if she was a Murkowski appointee that any of Palin’s buddies had issues with, she’d have been long gone; Palin was good at running off Republicans. As to the rest of them, they serve at the pleasure and if anybody had a problem with them, are about the easiest public employees to get rid of because they are statutorily exempt from the State Personnel Act. They all work for the Lt. Gov., Craig Campbell who is a Palin true believer and is only in that spot because she put him there, and his COS, John Cramer, is the former City Mgr. of Wasilla when Palin was mayor there. If there are holdover Democrats anywhere in there, they’re welll down the organization and have kissed the ring.

    In any event, if somehow there is some Democrat sleeper cell in the Miller Campaign’s alternate universe, the only thing they have to do is fill out the challenge form.

  • rdelbov

    for the info

  • http://www.viewfromstonewater.blogspot.com hrh40

    If you would come out with full disclosure, Achance, your biggest hatred of Sarah Palin is that she did not kiss the ring of Randy Ruedrich, Frank Murkoswki, or any of those Republicans that she was so good at “running off.”

    According to you, those Republicans were all pure as the driven snow apparently and she had no business doing ANYTHING at all except kiss the ring of the AK Republican establishment.

    Really, your comments reveal so much about you – without your probably even being aware of it.

    Kiss the ring? Yeah, right.

  • audax

    US SENATOR (R) REP
    Total
    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 438 100.0 %
    Times Counted 95418/487456 19.6 %
    Total Votes 94606
    Miller, Joe REP 47988 50.72%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 46618 49.28%

  • audax
  • rdelbov

    we do not know where the reported votes came from?

    Could be either good news or bad news for Miller

  • jenniferjmilleresq

    I can’t remember what the previous vote total was. I think it was 88,000? If so, this is only about 10% of the votes to be counted I think.

  • constitutionalconservative

    Murkowski took 57% of that vote, but it was in Anchorage, which is one of her relative strongholds

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/alaska-where-did-joe-miller-win-101562343.html

    It’s not a disaster, but if those numbers hold throughout the count, it will be very, very close. Next Numbers come in from Mat-Su, which is by far Miller’s stronghold. He will absolutely need to add to his lead there.

  • chihank

    Rick Klein reports that a staffer for Mike Pence is assisting Joe Miller in the ballot fight.

  • constitutionalconservative

    http://www.swingstateproject.com/diary/7466/aksen-absentees-bad-for-murk-and-provisionals-can-too

    It all just depends on where those absentees are from. If they are actually folks who lived in Alaska and were exposed to the campaign, things look better for Miller

  • eburke

    2,200 on the Pub side and about a 1000 Dem ballots.

    Would be interesting to know how many of the 16,000 requested ballots were received.

    Where did you get the info that these votes were from ANC?

  • eburke
  • rdelbov

    points in these absentees

    1. the %–57% might be okay or it might not be okay for Miller

    2. The number of votes cast. If 2400 absentees come from Anchorage area while 2800 comes form matsu area that would be a huge plus.

    Pins and needles time.

  • Achance

    From Sean Cockerham at the Alaska Division of Elections office in Anchorage —

    Update, 11:10 a.m.:
    Joe Miller’s lead over Lisa Murkowski narrowed from 1,668 votes to 1,325 with the first count of absentee ballots this morning.

    It looks like 2,391 votes were counted in this first batch. They’re from Districts 17 through 26, all Anchorage.

    More numbers to come.

    Read more: http://community.adn.com/adn/node/152974#ixzz0yDOkhpR2

  • audax

    State of Alaska 2010 Primary Election
    August 24, 2010
    Unofficial Results 08/31/10
    10:57:06

    US SENATOR (R) REP
    Total
    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 438 100.0 %
    Times Counted 95589/487456 19.6 %
    Total Votes 94777

    Miller, Joe REP 48051 50.70%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 46726 49.30%

  • rdelbov

    precinct 30-855 (Laurel-Dowling) has reported. It went for Murkowski 176 to 151 for Miller.

    This precinct was not counted on election night. The counting card was not feed in to the counter

  • audax
  • Achance

    http://media.adn.com/smedia/2010/08/30/23/StateDistrictMap_final.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf

    For those of you not familiar with Alaska, many of these districts are geographically larger than most states in the Lower 48. Consequently, a lot of them don’t have much in the way of either demographic or political community of interest.

    Just for scale: it is two hundred and change air miles from Ketchikan to Juneau, 571 air miles from JNU to Anchorage, about 250 air miles from ANC to Fairbanks, about 350 from FAI to Barrow.

    It is interesting to note that outside Anchorage proper, Murkowski carried all the districts you can reach only by boat or plane and Miller carried all the districts you can reach by road. Don’t know exactly what that says, but it says something.

  • audax

    State of Alaska 2010 Primary Election
    August 24, 2010
    Unofficial Results 08/31/10
    12:04:39

    US SENATOR (R) REP
    Total
    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 438 100.0 %
    Times Counted 98503/487456 20.2 %
    Total Votes 97672

    Miller, Joe REP 49566 50.75%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 48106 49.25%

  • audax
  • eburke

    about 4% higher in absentee balloting than she did on election day in these same districts.

    There were 18,787 votes cast in these districts on ED and Murkowski garnered 9,923 of them, or 52.8%. Her absentee margin in these districts was 56.7%.

    My back of the envelope calculations say that if this trend is repeated in the rest of the absentee/provisional ballots, she’ll pick up about 600 votes which would get her down to a 1,000 vote deficit which, based on a projection of 107,000 ballots cast would put her at just under a 1% vote difference which is outside the margin of a state-financed recount.

    Having said all that…we’ll see what the next batch of numbers has to offer.

  • eburke

    The $64,000 question is where are they from. If they’re from Fairbanks or the MatSu area, that’s not good news for Miller (especially if they’re from MatSu) If they’re from anywhere else, that’s not good news for Murkowski.

    Either way, from what I’ve read, that’s about 1/3rd of the outstanding votes counted and Murkowski’s picked up 200 votes. The remaining districts will have to swing heavy to Murkowski for her to pull this out.

  • audax

    …new votes for Miller came from? Thanks Greg

  • eburke

    http://community.adn.com/adn/node/152974#ixzz0yDOkhpR2,

    it appears they are from the MatSu area, LD’s 13 -16.

  • Achance

    The ADN reporter said that, but they sometimes don’t use language, shall we say, precisely. We do know they had one district in Anchorage to add to the total because it wasn’t properly uploaded election night and the questioned ballots have been reviewed but not yet counted, so these could have been Anchorage questioned ballots. Frankly, I don’t know what they are, but you can’t be sure they’re absentees just because Sean says they are. All we know is that whatever kind of ballots they were, they came from 17 – 26 which is Anchorage proper.

  • Achance

    From Sean Cockerham at the Alaska Division of Elections office in Anchorage —

    Update, 12:20 p.m.:

    Joe Miller’s lead over Lisa Murkowski just grew slighly with absentee and questioned ballots from the Mat-Su.

    Miller now leads Mukowski by 1,460 votes.

    The Division of Elections reported counting 2,895 votes from Legislative Districts 13 through 16 in the Mat-Su.

    Read more: http://community.adn.com/adn/node/152974#ixzz0yDYQcdTY

    This is Miller Country. It also appears that they’re counting both questioned and absentee.

  • audax

    …should have said “Anyone”…LOL

  • rdelbov

    districts 12-16

    I printed out this report–they are updated legislative races or least ballot counts by legislative districts.

    I thought the absentees might lean towards Murkowski. Its the volume and where they come from that key. A big military vote might help Miller

    I still think question ballots-those cast on election day will edge towards mIller.

    If you made a special effort to vote–Miller was your guy IMO

  • eburke

    his ED numbers – 62.12% vs 52.3% in the ballots tabulated today.

    Overall that means that in the ballots tabulated today from ANC and the MatSu, Lisa is running about 7% better than election day – 52.96% vs 46.06% on ED.

    Again, based on a total projected vote count of 107,000, that translates into a 1,050 vote pickup for Murkowski which would bring the margin of victory for Miller down to approx. 600.

    And *that* would be a MOV of .056% which is right at the threshold for a state-financed recount.
    Personally, if it’s that close I hope Lisa will do what Jason Allen did and forgo a recount (and btw…the same goes for Miller if he ends up on the ‘down’ side of this) because of how close the general election is but we shall see.

    This is shaping up to be veeerry interesting.

  • Achance

    The Elections people are pretty regimented though, so they’ll start back on time.

  • emaberk

    Now is the time to donate and show support! Don’t just sit idle and let Washington take over this election.

  • cwilson

    Art, you’re right that 1668 with 25K outstanding is too close for any sort of victory dance. But…the initial reports said there were only 8K votes out: and there was lots of armchair analysts talking about how Murkowski couldn’t possibly make up a 1700 vote deficit in 8K votes (split between D and R). So, given 1668 out of 8K…a victory dance was perhaps impolite, but certainly understandable.

    Then that 8K turned into a reported 16K, then 18K, then 23K, and now 25K — which leaves this poor flatlander going “Huh? Miller went from a pretty-much-sure-thing to no-decision, because of…what? Miscounted absentee ballot requests? “Found” ballots?…” Then we read about this “Mike” character; even compensating for lawyeresque exaggeration, it looks bad for whatever team sponsored “Mike”.

    After the Senator Al Franken debacle, you can certainly understand the suspicion that causes.

    Now, surely the Miller campaign should have had all along more accurate information then what I can read in the papers, so they ought to have known from the beginning that 1700/25K is not yet a decision. If they didn’t know, and believed the 1700/8K reports — well, their reaction is then understandable. But they are supposed to be — or have access to — political pros; they ought to have known about the 25K number from the beginning.

    My question is, what was behind the earlier reports of fewer absentee ballot requests? Why did that number appear to grow, at least in the reporting, over the last week?

  • audax

    Got some facts there buddy? Don’t worry Miller will win it.

  • rdelbov

    on their web site so we could sort this out??

    the last dump had 677D 3085 R ballots?

  • emaberk

    http://www.adn.com/2010/08/28/1429399/absentee-ballots.html?utm_source=Joe+Miller+for+U.S.+Senate+List&utm_campaign=a96eae7eeb-Joe+Miller+Constitutional+Conservative+Senate&utm_medium=email

    He is a straight shooter so I don’t doubt them.

  • emaberk

    monitoring this closely and has already found some irregularities and underhanded actions by the Murkowski campaign.

  • Richard Mullins

    and at that point they hadn’t counted the absentee ballots. So if Miller’s campaign says it, you believe it? Don’t tell me that you read the evidence first before coming to a conclusion.

  • audax

    State of Alaska 2010 Primary Election
    August 24, 2010
    Unofficial Results 08/31/10
    13:15:21

    US SENATOR (R) REP
    Total
    Number of Precincts 438
    Precincts Reporting 438 100.0 %
    Times Counted 99321/487456 20.4 %
    Total Votes 98482

    Miller, Joe REP 49888 50.66%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 48594 49.34%

  • emaberk

    You must be a Murkowski supporter.

  • audax
  • trapperjohn

    unfortunately I have to work.

  • Finrod

    If you’re seeing bias, it’s from your own eyes. One minute Sarah Palin is this master schemer, the next she’s an incompetent boob, according to you.

    You’re the only person I’ve seen other than the hardcore lefty types that is making this primary election be all about Sarah Palin.

  • Achance

    It was public record on election day that there had been around 19K requests for absentee ballots. How many would actually be returned was speculative and every wannabe pundit was speculating. It was known within a day or so that there were around 8 – 9K questioned ballots. So those numbers alone are enough to know that as many as 25K or more ballots are still uncounted. Where the 8K came from I don’t know, but there were several announcements, almost daily of how many absentees were in Elections’ hands, a number still rising and which will continue to rise until the cutoff for domestic mailing at ten days and international mailing at 15 days. My speculation is that reporters, pundits, and bloggers who don’t generally know much about stuff anyway siezed on somebody’s statement about how many Absentees were in Elections’ hands on Election Night without any thought for the fact that they still had 15 days to come in. One unique kind of absentee here is the fact that you can vote early and at the airports by absentee. People here travel a lot and it is very common for people who are travelling over Election Day to either go to an Elections office and vote early or vote absentee at the airport on the way. Now I didn’t just learn this stuff in studying this election; everybody with any business at the operative level in Alaska politics knows these rules like a Baptist minister knows the New Testament.

    I think it was a deliberate strategem on the Miller Campaign’s part to start howling about vote fraud because they first wanted to whip up their support and get a bunch of attention and second wanted to try to cow the Party and the NRSC; that part worked. It is essentially equivalent to pressuring Lisa into even though she’s a AAA member not calling for a tow but rather pushing her car to the gas station. The NRSC is a group comprised of incumbent senators who contribute money to that group so that members of the group can support the group’s efforts. Yes, they do solicit donations from common citizens, but if those citizens don’t know what the NRSC is and what it does with the money, shame on them.

    I don’t know what that idiot Mike Roman thought he was doing or who he thought he was doing it for. I know the Murkowski Campaign designated him as one of their observers. I got the sense that he was the typical Beltway types who thought he could bully the rubes. Then van Flein did his work of fiction and a big fanciful press release that got picked up by every blogger who doesn’t know jack about Alaska. Anyway, Lt. Gov. Campbell, a creation of Sarah Palin, has said that van Flein’s complaint has little basis and the only bad act Roman seems to have committed is being rude to the nice old ladies at Elections.

    And what sent me right out through the overhead was Erick picking up whatever crap the Miller Campaign was putting out and putting it here uncritically. I’ll give him credit for pulling the one down and even changing this one from its inflamatory repeated accusation of “there’s election stealin’ going on in Alaska,” but I think I might have had a bit to do with those changes.

  • audax

    also, MOST posters on here are rooting for Miller (Except for Art..LOL). Take a deep breath and let them count the votes. As Art says the elections people are appointed by the Palin/Parnell team so why would they want to steal an election for Murkowski????

  • Achance

    It’s mostly a bandwidth and server space issue to do it this way. Anyway, this office covers all of the Southeast Alaska districts and maybe some other areas as well, maybe Kodiak Island and some Kenai Peninsula.

    As a general matter so far, Murkowski has carried everything that is only accessible by boat or plane and Miller has carried everything accessible by road except Anchorage proper. The Juneau Regional Office covers places only accessible by air or water.

  • Achance

    I’ve said it here repeatedly. Palin is quite good at self-promotion, self-aggrandizement, and at getting elected. Actually running a government; not so much, so she became the Half Governor.

    And Joe Miller is Sarah Palin’s creature pure and simple. He was her proxy in her first attemt to take over the Party, and when they failed, he quit the Party. She made all sorts of soft clucking sounds about how she wasn’t running against Murkowski and then put Miller up to it. Miller/Palin proxies tried again this year to take over the Party and failed. If they win this nomination, they have a ways to go on Party unity.

  • Richard Mullins

    and for your information, I’m sort of agnostic on the whole thing, although Miller seems to not be as good a guy as presented. The big question is Miller about to beat a Brand Name Democrat if the swap McAdams for a better Dem. If Miller wins on all the votes, then he’d need a lot more money to counter to the Dems. Right now, it’s still a Store brand Democrat be soon it could be a Del Monte Democrat against Miller and is he prepared for it?

  • Richard Mullins

    Do you have his phone number yet and what about his address? Come on, I thought you were a good stalker.

  • Achance
  • Achance

    Unfortunately, they were abetted by a Beltway idiot that the Murkowski campaign sent to Wasilla. Lt. Gov. Craig Campbell, a Sarah Palin BFF, has dismissed most of the allegations.

  • audax

    …..your starting to sound like a RINO….LOL

  • Richard Mullins

    or did type up a wise crack? RINO seems to be the most overused acronym around here mostly by those that don’t like what’s said. I must say that a lot of words terms and acronyms have no meaning anymore due to over use. You might want to consider that.

  • audax

    …that the conservative-noun cannot win. That is a red herring…don’t eat it!

  • Achance

    From Sean Cockerham at the Alaska Division of Elections office in Anchorage —

    Update, 2:40 p.m.:

    There is a lot of anticipation at the Division of Elections for the next round of numbers to come in. Those votes will be from Southeast Alaska (where the Murkowski campaign hopes to get a big boost) and from the Kenai Peninsula. There are a lot of absentee votes in those areas to be counted today (roughly 2,000 from Southeast and 2,300 or so from the Kenai.)

    There are also 1,013 questioned ballots supposed to be counted today from Southeast and 502 from the Kenai Peninsula.

    Murkowski needs to do well in the Juneau-Kenai results (which are reported together.) That?s because the next and final round of results today will come from the Fairbanks area, a Joe Miller stronghold.

    There are 1,768 absentees and 996 questioned ballots supposed to be counted today from the Fairbanks area.

    All these numbers of ballots to be counted are somewhat of a moving target. The Division of Elections can delay the count of ballots that it plans to do today until later days.

    The Division of Elections said by the end of the day it will have counted about 16,000 votes.

    There are another 9,000 or so to be processed for subsequent counts on Friday and Sept. 8. But those numbers will change as new absentees come in and some ballots are disqualified. Also, not all ballots are for the Republican primary. Some will be for the Democratic primary.

    Read more: http://community.adn.com/adn/node/152974#ixzz0yE82facD

    This is actually very detailed and pretty intense work, so it appears they’ve decided they’d rather be slow and right.

  • SirGladiator

    I just read that the Mat-Su folks decided to hold off on counting 1273 questioned ballots until Friday, so since that’s a Miller stronghold it seems that he’s got a nice little vote-boost coming Friday.

  • Richard Mullins

    I don’t think you thought what you said the first time and it seems that you don’t. The acronym RINO must mean those that don’t quite agree with you. I thought leftists were the only ones to do that, I must be wrong on that because it’s moved over to the Conservative side as well.

  • Achance

    Both questioned and absentee ballots have been reviewed by polling place or Elections Office staff who have made a determination as to whether the voter can vote and for what ballot. Then in the canvassing process review panels of Elections’ Volunteers under supervision of Election’s staff and observed by campaign observers go through each ballot. 999 time out of a thousand, the Elections people are right and no observer challenges their decision. If the observer challenges, the Regional Manager makes a determination. If the observer disagrees, the Diviion Director makes a decision. Of the observer disagrees, the Courts decide. Once a districts ballot have been review, all that are not subject to challenge are counted by the OCR machine. The OCR machine is programmed to detect overcounts and undercounts and ballots that show an over or under count get a hand review and either observer can object to the determination.

  • luciusacius

    There seems to be entirely too much opinion and conjecture where anything, even remotely related to Fox news analyst Palin is concerned.

  • rdelbov

    you saying is that an “X” on the Miller box followed by a “Circle” around the Murkowski box would be the type of situation where there is a question.

    Different subject but I still think that while the absentees lean towards Murkowski a bit the question ballots will lean towards Miller.

    Just a hunch.

  • audax

    …..then tell me that your not accepting the premise that the conservative-noun (in this case, that would be Joe Miller) cannot win against a NAME Democrat that would go to Washington and vote for Obama’s agenda.

    Don’t think that 50%+1 Alaska voters are gonna let that happen!

    For the conservative-noun (again, that would be Joe Miller) to EVEN BE IN THIS SITUATION of a close count in a primary WASN’T SUPPOSED to happen just a few long days ago before the primary voting started! That there still counting votes says a lot about the voters in this election cycle!

    Don’t even get me started on this or I’ll go back to Reagan in ’76 and give examples your flawed thinking on this issue!

  • tngal

    but doesn’t that seem a little much. I mean I understand they want to be fair, but it sounds like they went to the Florida School of Recounting, or maybe just took a quick course from MI-01).

    (I will admit to enjoying your in-depth descriptions though, it explains a lot)

  • audax

    sorry its after One AM here and my reading and typing skills are spotty while lying in bed…LOL.

  • Achance

    the rural areas where English is often a second language and Gussak (White People in Yupik) processes aren’t always well understood. So, there may be some questioned ballots out there.

  • audax

    State of Alaska 2010 Primary Election
    August 24, 2010
    Unofficial Results 08/31/2010
    03:02:00 PM

    US SENATOR (R) REP

    Total Votes 99190

    Miller, Joe REP 50241 50.65%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 48949 49.35%

    With this, good night all!

  • Achance

    The Division of Elections people take the duty very seriously. It is a very intense process; the Elections staff have already made their determination as to whether the person can vote, on what ballot, and in what races. The review panel reviews the staff work and the observers may ask questions or object to what the staff or review panel decide. If they disagree it goes up. I’ve done it any you PAY ATTENTION and spend a lot of time wondering “did those signatures really match” or “should I have checked the map in case my memory was off on where that street is.” It ain’t easy work and it is almost all done by volunteers.

  • rdelbov

    last wave was the question ballots which +2 for Miller–from SE AK.

    Big move for Miller?

  • Achance

    From Sean Cockerham at the Alaska Division of Elections office in Anchorage —

    Update, 3:20 p.m.:

    Partial vote in from Southeast and the Kenai Peninsula, with Murkowki picking up 2 votes on Miller.

    Miller leads by 1,292 votes. But that’s with only about 1,300 votes coming in from Southeast and the Kenai so far, out of over 5,000 supposed to be counted today.

    Nearly half of the tally in from southeast and the Kenai was for the Democratic primary, so there were only about 700 votes affecting the Miller-Murkowski race in the Republican primary.

    The ballots just counted from Juneau and Kenai were questioned ballots. We’re still waiting for the absentees from those areas.

    Also waiting on first results of questioned and absentee ballots from Fairbanks.

    Read more: http://community.adn.com/adn/node/152974#ixzz0yEIFOu85

  • audax
  • Scope

    please don’t forget Dan Benishek’s race, who has a third party spoiler attempting to split the vote.

    Don’t forget the Angle race that Art Chance has said will give the seat back to Reid.

    Don’t forget the Rand Paul race that Art Chance has said was going down.

    Art Chance apparently thinks that all candidates that are supported by Tea Parties, are nothing more than Black Helicopter kooks. We have to fight for the candidates that are supported by one Tea Party organization or another. They are not Tea Party candidates.

  • Achance
  • audax
  • audax

    State of Alaska 2010 Primary Election
    August 24, 2010
    Unofficial Results 08/31/2010
    03:59:08 PM

    US SENATOR (R) REP

    Total Votes 101386

    Miller, Joe REP 51298 50.60%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 50088 49.40%

  • Achance
  • audax
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  • qixlqatl

    watching with interest, but this is Alaska’s deal.

  • Scope

    in any instance where I posted your name. Want to show me where I did that. I was hoping you would take the bait, cause I can bring your comment forward from another site where you in fact posted to the Angle and Paul races. In fact you are now legendary, as a Palin hater. I’ve been reading most every article about the Miller/Murkowski race, every where they appear. Sad that your name comes up as a Palin hater, but, is tied back to Redstate. You can say what you will, but, the site is being dragged down in the mud for allowing your hateful Palin posts.

  • takemccain2

    After digesting the primary night returns I felt like this would be a squeaker if Miller or Murkowski won. I still hope Joe wins because I think he’s the better candidate and will give conservatives a real voice at the table.
    GO JOE!!!

  • Achance

    before they came here almost forty years ago, and they’re about quadra-lingual; I can speak town Southern, Country Southern, Black Southern, Alaska patois/standard English, and a little Yupik and Tlingit. See how I dropped that d in and. I actually like to write in dialect.

    I was doing some research on a Confederate regiment and go into reading a lot of CW soldier letters. Back before Webster et al. standardized American English, a person’s voice was a roadmap; you could tell pretty much everything you needed to know about them by the way they spoke. See, e.g., “My Fair Lady.”

  • cactusjack

    to parents of MidWestern upbringing. Trust me I have been naturally attuned to this usage. Believe it or not, Northerners naturally slip out a “you all” or even a slurred “yall” in normal conversation, occasionally, whether they realize it or hear it at all. “You all” is a perfect modification Southerners logically happened upon for the second person plural, for which curiously there is no dedicated pronoun in the English language. Unlike virtually all other languages – (maybe there was in Middle English? Or Anglo-Saxon?) It is perfectly logical, conforms with the pattern of other pronounal contractions in English, and perhaps most importantly – sounds a lot more tonal and mellifluous than “you guys” or “youse guys,” which I have actually heard a northern women use addressing a group of females. Ouch. And you think “y’all sounds funny? Give it another century,it will be standard American English (“you all,” for 2nd pers. plural that is). Later, y’hear?

  • Richard Mullins

    and from what I’ve read, Alaska is quite different from all the other 49 states. A conservative here has fairly good will with others and doesn’t verbally attack the opponent. Is calling you opponent a whore on twitter, Conservative? I don’t think so. As for the Store Brand Democrat or a much better name Democrat, right now he would win, but happens later could change things. I’m the most optimistic around here but in this case it matter of winning a sure thing or losing what you have. They have one Democrat already and evidence is that they might have one more if make a lot of mistakes. Alaska isn’t as conservative as it use to be.

  • audax

    From Sean Cockerham at the Alaska Division of Elections office in Anchorage —

    Update, 4:22 p.m.:

    Lisa Murkowski just slightly narrowed Joe Miller?s lead down to 1,210 votes with a new batch of absentee votes in from Southeast Alaska, the Kenai Peninsula and Fairbanks. Murkowski is going to have to start cutting into the lead by a far bigger margin soon or she?s going to be out.

    The latest batch included 3,162 absentee votes. The Division of Elections has counted nearly 13,000 votes today, 9,000 of which have been Republican primary votes that impact the Miller-Murkowski race. Murkowski cut Miller?s lead down from 1,668 votes to 1,210 votes in that time.

    About 3,000 more votes are expected today from Southeast Alaska, the Kenai Peninsula and the Fairbanks area.

    The Division of Elections will have an additional roughly 9,000 votes to process for counts on Friday and Sept. 8. The number isn?t firm because some more absentees are likely to come in and some votes will be disqualified. Also, not all those votes will be for the Republican primary.

    Read more: http://community.adn.com/adn/node/152974#ixzz0yEVnQDZA

  • Achance

    State employees really like to go home at 4:30. So, whatever hasn’t been counted, all domestic ballots get counted Friday. Well, actually, they can pretty much count whatever of those they want; they don’t have to count them all. And then the last count is on the 8th when all internationally mailed ballots must have been received.

    It’s close but not that close, and Lisa should probably be working on her concession speach while Miller and his minions try practicing their dress up and go to town manners.

  • SirGladiator

    About an hour ago I heard a quote from a Murkowski aide, that the primary ‘may be over tonight’. Given that they’re planning on counting votes on multiple days, once assumes that actually means ‘Murkowski may concede tonight’. Here’s hoping :) .

  • audax
  • cactusjack

    Northerners and Westerners don’t realize is that there are several different kinds of Southern accent . I’ll give you an easy one that you can start noticing immediatly if you are from those parts, about Southerners – From South Carolina to Louisiana, English tends to be non-rhotic – the final “r” in a word is dropped. But get to the Sabine River and on into Texas, the accent is kind of similar but that final “r” is rhotic, or hard and twanged. James Dean got it right in Giant, but Rock Hudson’s voice coach didn’t. Elizabeth Taylor gets a pass, she was already English and supposed to be from Virginia in the movie.
    The most uniquely blended one is Oklahoman .

  • audax
  • trapperjohn

    Looks like the direction of this election is pretty much set. A little closer, but no cigar for Murkowski.

  • qixlqatl

    at guessing a person’s regional origins from their accent and colloquialisms. Met guys from all over when I was in the navy, and if you listen to folks, they sound very different.

    I’ve been settled in one area for quite a while now, so a lot of it has slipped away.

  • audax

    CNN: Murkowski considering conceding Alaska race?Share4posted at 7:49 pm on August 31, 2010 by Allahpundit
    printer-friendly Larry Sabato tweeted three hours ago that while she was making bigger gains than expected, there?s simply too much daylight between her and Miller for her to win.
    Does Team Murky now agree?
    In an interview with CNN, Murkowski campaign spokesman Steve Wackowski was emphatic that the vote could still swing their way. ?We?re being hopeful, we want to make sure that all the votes are counted,? he said?
    Wackowski was asked if Murkowski might concede the race to Miller once Tuesday?s ballot counting ends. ?Unfortunately we?ve got all our options are on the table,? he lamented?
    [T]he campaign spokesman said he foresees the Tea Party movement possibly doing long-term damage to the Republican party as it drives to root out so called ?RINOS (?Republicans in Name Only?) in favor of more committed conservatives.
    ?They?re spending their resources to try to take down a fellow conservative. I wish they would?ve stayed in California, for instance, and fought Barbara Boxer,? Wackowski said.
    Hotline estimates she?d have to take 55 percent of the outstanding ballots at this point in order to win ? and most of those are from Miller strongholds. Someone at Big Government, citing sources in Alaska, claims that the trends are now such that Miller?s victory is assured. Big news, needless to say, but even bigger is the possibility of a concession without a recount. That?d be a huge help to Miller in freeing him up to focus on the general election. But if they?re going to bow out graciously, why dump all over tea partiers in the process? And ? why would Murkowski bow out graciously, anyway? She?s got nothing to lose in contesting the results. Did some bigwig(s) in the GOP maybe let her know that if she?s interested in a lucrative lobbyist career after the election, she?ll go quietly after the absentee ballots are counted? Stand by for updates.

  • Scope

    Please be sure to read the comments sections on the articles. Seems Art Chance can’t get enough fighting, and sleazy politicing. What else would you expect from a Murkowski, I’ll go along with corruption, if you cover my arse. Seems that Murkowski threw him overboard when he became just too much of a liability-

    http://www.thealaskastandard,com/content.lisa-murkowski-not-tea-party-revolution

    Older article-

    http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2009/01/battle-for-republican-party.html

    Art, you don’t have a good history, yet you are willing to trash the Miller supporters here, as well as anyone who remotely supports Palin.

    As I said in another comment, you have become a legend around the web for your Palin hating, and, Redstate is being blamed for your approval to do so.

  • audax
  • Achance

    but if I hear you talk a bit, I can be within a couple of classes of how much education you have, a hundred miles or so of where you’re from, and have a pretty good idea if you can name your gg/grandfather’s regiment in the Provisional Army of the Confederate States.

    Early in my working life with Yankee corporations in ATL, I learned that a Southern accent meant you had to be twice as good to be though half as much of, and you had to try to not end sentences with prepositions. So, I worked at Yankee and the fact that I had a Yankee wife helped, if help is the right word. Once I came to Alaska, I was in a world of expatriate Southerners and while some Alaskans would comment on a Southern accent in the same way my Grandma would say, “You a Yankee, aintcha?” it really was more of an advantage here than not to have at least a bit of the land of moonlight and magnolias in your voice.

    Later on in my career, especially in my days as an advocate, I learned that a cultivated formal Southern accent was a REAL advantage. Now white trash, country Southern is my first language, but I had enough exposure to upper class Southern at the dinner table with the Preacher and at the Courthouse that it isn’t a foreign language. That soft, Virginia and North Carolina version of upper class Southern is pretty effective and persuasive; chick dig it too.

  • rdelbov

    hear someone from the Mississippi delta area you have not heard Southern.

    I have the old fashioned idea that you can speak Southern-you can live in the South but if you are rude in talk or speech either in person or the internet.

    You are not Southern but just Yankee rude. You may have the lineage but you don’t have the roots. You have let the world affect you and rob yourself of a vital part of your cultural heritage.

    Being a Southerner I don’t cast aspersions upon anyone in particular but rather just comment on it in a general sort of way

  • Mary Beth
  • Achance
  • ywhyvon1
  • Achance

    congratulating yourself about how subtle that was. Southerners LOST! I like a lot about my Southern heritage, which I suspect is at least as good as yours, but I’m a real Scarlett O’Hara fan; I’ll nevah be po agin!

    Y’all take that “be nice” stuff way too far. Some people you just aren’t nice to – evah! Cross me, one of us wins and the other loses; I don’t do that reach out or compromise stuff much.

  • JadedByPolitics
  • audax

    UPDATE 8 p.m. ET (4 p.m. local) ? Dan Riehl and Big Government were first to break this, and other sources here in Anchorage are also reporting that Lisa Murkowski is expected to concede the GOP nomination to Joe Miller in a few hours.

  • cactusjack

    said earlier, but really needs emphasizing for everyone suddenly ijterested in Alaska politics. Alaska is Republican but not conservative in the sense of how the term is used in Lower 48. I lived in Anchorage three years when transferred there for work. Alaska is the most unique blend of economically socialist, socially libertarian and nominally Republican, plus throw in genuine patriotism and pro-military mix, I have ever seen anywhere. But it is wrong to call it or a person who gets elected out of that matrix, just a”conservative” or “liberal.” “The populace loves and depends on the PFD, as much a redistribution of income plan there ever was, right out of Trotsky!. Jay Hammond the beloved governor who started it, I think was a Republican (?) so the people said “we want some more of that,” (his style of governing) plus the Dems got stuck with the appearance of being the party outside federal meddlers which they kind of were – “boo, hiss”. In most else, pretty Libertarian actually. A happy accident for conservatives in L48, it tends to come out as an “R” vote but it is a weird path to get there within the State. Please correct as you see fit Achance. The funniest guys were the old timers most of whom would say “I liked it better when we were a Territory – we only had one set of taxes to pay.” Got the impression enforcement that and ATF stuff was kind of laksadaisical, too. Heh heh.

  • audax

    State of Alaska 2010 Primary Election
    August 24, 2010
    Unofficial Results 08/31/2010
    04:56:01 PM

    US SENATOR (R) REP

    Total Votes 103251

    Miller, Joe REP 52360 50.71%
    Murkowski, Lisa REP 50891 49.29%

  • audax
  • Scope

    Art Chance already said that. By the way, Miller didn’t call Murkowski a “whore.” But if you want to get into the Webster definition of whore, you better be prepared to admit it also means someone who sells themselves for gain, political, or otherwise. Yup, the ole brain is still working, and ,firing on all brain cells.

  • Achance

    what you say about someone as long as you spell their name right. And you pretend to have an informed opinion that somebody should pay any attention to.

  • lineholder

    I hear people from other parts of the country comment all the time about the courtesy of southerners. Some people ridicule it. Other people appreciate it. That’s just how it is.

    As for going overboard on something, there are plenty of southerners who will go overboard in a heartbeat when loyalty has been betrayed. They have this way of doing it where you don’t expect it and you don’t see it coming until it is too late.

  • Mary Beth

    …refers to the Libertarian Party potentially selling out to get Murkowski on their team. They even followed up and clarified the tweet in question since some on Murkowski’s team were trying to score points with that canard.

    But you know that already, right?

  • Scope

    but, unless she has been promised another position somewhere, she will not accept a blow to her record, and another blow to the Murkowski name. If that happens- Palin 1-Murkowski 0.

  • Achance

    so he can throw out some more fake voter fraud complaints too.

    I’d be very surprised, but not shocked if she conceded. I know I’d advise her to wait until the 8th when all the votes are counted. If she’s still behind then, asking for a recount is unseemly and it is time to go. Bitney, et. al. have access to better info than I do, so they may conclude it is a forlorn hope tonight, but I know I would never concede until all the votes are counted.

  • Wing Zero

    2 years of giving Power Point briefings in the USAF had taught me how to minimize my accent. It became a reflex. Even LT’s commented on how I seem to lose my accent in during a briefing.

  • Achance

    From Sean Cockerham at the Alaska Division of Elections office in Anchorage —

    Update, 5:09 p.m.:

    It’s looking bad for Lisa Murkowski.

    The latest count of absentees increased Miller’s lead to 1,469 votes. That’s about 200 more votes for him than the last count. Fairbanks probably helped Miller, although the votes were also from Southeast and the Kenai Peninsula.

    The Murkowski campaign was really counting on a big boost from Southeast.

    That didn’t happen. The latest batch was a count of 2,760 votes. It brings the total counted today to about 15,700 votes. Still awaiting some more Kenai absentee votes and that will be all that is counted today.

    The Division of Elections will has an additional roughly 9,000 votes to process. Some will be disqualified and more absentees could come in so the numbers aren’t firm. It’s also not clear how many are for the Republican primary race and how many are Democratic. Most will be counted on Friday with a final count of largely overseas absentees on Sept. 8.

    Today was the biggest chunk of votes. Murkowski has cut Miller’s lead from 1,668 votes to 1,469 today. That’s not nearly what the Murkowski campaign had hoped for.

    Read more: http://community.adn.com/adn/node/152974#ixzz0yEnxdfZO

    So, basically, it is a philosophical question. If you’re watching the clock tick down the last minute or so and you know you can’t score enough points do you walk off the field or do you play it to the whistle? I’m a play it to the whistle guy, but YMMV.

  • Richard Mullins

    that fact that was said is enough. You still haven’t found any evidence that Joe Miller is going to be a Team player since his Alaska record in the Republican party is sketchy. Also, no evidence that if the Dems change out to a well-known Democrat that Miller will win. That possibility is out whether you like or not.

  • Scope

    I didn’t. What a lame piece of crap you put out there, in the title of your post, that I should spell your name correctly. Nice dodge when you can’t even point back to my misspelling. You are a very clever blowhard, but, you are getting desperate with your false accusations. I think you are reverting back to your Communist party tactics. You did say here that you were a Communist trainee, right on this site. You can take the Art Chance out of Communism, but, you can’t take the Communism out of Art Chance. You are good for their operatives/plans though.

  • Richard Mullins

    and when it comes to the Webster’s dictionary on this, it states prostitute for whore. Yep, I got a real dictionary here. If you were really thinking, I should be smelling a lot of wood because that’s all that’s up there. I’m sure the late Bill Buckley Jr would be insulted to see you have a quote of his. Also, I looked it up on dictionary.com and no mention of anything close in the definition or the word whore. Maybe, you toke a definition from the urban dictionary.

  • Mary Beth

    Especially when someone is using it as a talking point to “prove” how awful Miller is.

    As for the rest, that will be up to Miller and his team to find a way to build bridges. Team Murkowski will either have the bigger picture in mind and work with him and his team to keep the seat in R territory or they won’t.

  • Achance

    Now Miller’s minons can figure out how to get all the people they accused of voter fraud and call all sorts of names back “into the tent.” In know I won’t vote for the Democrat or a third party, but that is about all the committment I could give them right now.

  • Achance
  • SteveLA

    Art

    Early voters who go to the trouble of voting by mail tend to want to send a message, this year the message is

    “No Thank You Incumbents”

    Did I spell your name right? YIKES…As Jethro Tull once sang, “Thick as a Brick”

  • Richard Mullins

    and I don’t have one since I moved around to much when I was a child. Even though I was born in North Carolina to 2 Texans, I lived too long in MD and HI,so my accent is confused. I end up putting a bit of Brit accent in but not to the late Bill Buckley’s level, so when I talk, it sounds quite smooth. If I lived in HI longer than 3 1/2 years, I might have picked up some pigeon english.

  • Richard Mullins
  • snowshooze

    As I have suspected, even to my surprise, Miller appears to be squeeking in there….
    It’s not as if there were a fire somewhere, and a few days doesn’t make a drop of difference.
    Miller was sounding rather reasonable today, and so I hope everyone waits it out and then circle the wagons wherever the chips fall.
    Lisa can concede if she wishes, but were I in her shoes, I can’t see a single reason why I would. Did they get that US Mail Honda 4 wheeler out of the swamp up there at Ustukinnamuk with all the ballots on it? Could be days yet..

  • snowshooze

    As I have suspected, even to my surprise, Miller appears to be squeeking in there….
    It’s not as if there were a fire somewhere, and a few days doesn’t make a drop of difference.
    Miller was sounding rather reasonable today, and so I hope everyone waits it out and then circle the wagons wherever the chips fall.
    Lisa can concede if she wishes, but were I in her shoes, I can’t see a single reason why I would. Did they get that US Mail Honda 4 wheeler out of the swamp up there at Ustukinnamuk with all the ballots on it? Could be days yet..

  • SteveLA

    Or maybe Kumquat. Anything starting with a K is funny you know according to old Vaudevillians and Star Trek.

  • cactusjack

    There is a four second sound byte making it around now of an excerpt from a recent Rick Perry presser where he says, in his natural West Texas twang “what I’m trying to tell the President is, if he’s serious about border security,,.* I can show him how to do it*.” The delivery absolutely skewers the (not even present) Obama.

  • Mary Beth

    How exactly am I stupid here? Because I said context matters? Because I said Miller has to find a way to build a bridge? Because I said Murkowski should keep the bigger picture in mind so we can keep this Senate seat?

    Please… Go ahead and tell me what I said that warranted that response. Or do all you know how to do is throw rhetorical bombs at people?

    You know, I’m really bored with this type of retort…especially when I went out of my way to write a respectful post.

  • Achance

    Some people need to work with that.

  • Achance

    how you’re going to get any Murkowski supporter to actually support you. Oh, they won’t go vote for the Democrat or the Third Party, but when you idiots started the “steal the election” and voter fraud crap, you gave a lot of people a lot of good reasons to mayby go hunting on Nov. 2.

  • rdelbov

    were not enough cool heads and too many people talking to the press. People getting their 15 minute of fame. In addition the state GOP chairman in Alaska should called Miller & Murkowski togother and told everyone to cool it.

    Too many lawyers. People were thinking this was Gore V Bush II or Coleman/Franken II.

    It was just the normal procedure of counting votes by paid professional staff.

    A. I don’t know you so I can’t really suggest or encourage any action on your part. I urge anyone to vote GOP this fall.

  • Richard Mullins

    you should have heard my late Grandmother that had a thick West Texas accent and grew up there(she was born in SD oddly in the illegal town of Deadwood). I can understand Rick Perry and George Walker Bush well, but I detest the sound of Barack Obama. There are a lot of people who’s speaking voice I don’t like, Sarah Palin(only because that Alaskan isn’t growing on me) and just recently Ann Coulter. I can stand to listen to Rush Limbaugh 24/7 and I mean it. I also can listen to myself 24/7. I credit Leonard Nimoy a bit on helping my english skills.

  • Scope

    Is that too hard a question for you to answer. Yes, I know, it’s in my sig line that I am a proud member of the Achance dumb idiot club, I have already addressed that. Where did I spell your name wrong? I didn’t, and, you know that. But, nonetheless, where did I spell your name wrong.

  • Mary Beth

    It’s up to each side to find a way to work together now to keep the seat in the R column.

    Each side has to have grownups in it willing to eat a little crow and look at the bigger picture.

  • Richard Mullins

    and at the point, you haven’t earned the respect yet. As for Miller, if he builds a bridge to those that didn’t support him and that’s a big if, then he will be going against his history in Republican politics. That’s not that it’s a bad thing, that’s not what he does best.

  • Scope

    can throw bombs at you, simply for your support of the candidate they don’t support, yet, they can do it with no moderation or warnings whatsoever, Many many have been banned from here for far less.

  • Mary Beth

    I treated you with basic courtesy and expected the same courtesy in return.

  • Richard Mullins

    and now we can get back to the business of trying to defeat the Democrat. I hope that Miller take some advice from Murkowski. BTW, Art do you have the link to this?

  • Jack_Savage

    And I guess more importantly, what will Miller supporters do?

  • pilgrim

    Have you read this dairy about Harris County yet?

    http://www.redstate.com/anitamoncrief/2010/08/31/suspicious-fire-massive-voter-registration-fraud-plague-county-with-acorn-tied-congresswoman/

  • Mary Beth

    There’s no reason for it. We are generally speaking all on the same side after all.

    Or at least theoretically.

    At the end of the day, we should all back the person on the R side of the ledger for the General Election even if we are not enthusiastic about who they end up being.

    That’s what I’m told when conservatives lose to a RINO. Is that not also true when a RINO loses to a conservative?

  • Achance

    They never called me and asked me for my support or even expressed any interest in what I might be interested in. Joe Miller represents the part of the State that Ben Stevens characterized as “Valley Trash.” I think that might have been harsh but not totally inaccurate. All you have to do is look at the district map the ADN published. If you can get to it by road, Miller carried it. If you need a boat or a plane, Murkowski carried it. That is a political divide in Alaska that you in the Lower 48 simply cannot comprehend, and it is also not a divide that I think Miller will even try to bridge. They think their ten districts ARE Alaska. Those of us who actually live in Alaska rather than Los Anchorage and its suburbs see the World a little differently.

  • Scope

    and act like you are so smart with your crap posts, guess what, you have truly earned the title of arse kissing idiot. I swore I would not name call, a long time ago, but, you have earned the title, , and, going after people that no more deserve your Achance talking points, puts you square in that column. You have wrongly called Miller out for supposedly calling Murkowski a “whore”, your word, not mine, but, you have hitched your wagon onto a lie, and, that is your only pathetic argument against Miller. Guess what Richard, as much as you wouldn’t want Miller in your house, because of his “potty mouth”, and God forbid he sat on your grandmothers plastic covered sofas, you are the one using the potty mouth here. Guess what Richard, your hero hasn’t come to your defense once yet that I have seen. Get over yourself, and stop trying to take other good posters here out with you idiocy, and, your nonsense. You owe Mary Beth an apology, and you better do it quick.

  • jimmyg

    Scope this is beyond hilarious. To say, ” Just spell my name right” is an old saying that means all publicity, no matter good or bad, is good for that person who is being written about. http://www.nku.edu/~turney/prclass/readings/3eras1x.html

  • eburke
  • Aaron Gardner

    And no, saying that it is a bit harsh but not totally inaccurate isn’t cover for what you clearly are trying to really say.

  • Richard Mullins

    since it all over the news here in the Houston area. At his point, their buying new eSlates and borrowing some as well. The eSlate seems to be a voting machine that can be compromised and from the Computing at Rice blog at the Houston Chronicle, out dated. We could do better with Sequaya direct voting machines used in 161 countys and parishes. I’ve been suspect about this fire since then and I’m sure that something fishy is happening. From the outset, it’s specualted that the Democrats did it so we here in Harris county couldn’t vote and even more so that the Heavily Republican North Harris county(that block of Cypress to Humble with Tomball and Spring as well, would doom the Democrats). Since it next to BARC(I can’t remember the acronym), i wonder if it woke up the animals. The guy that KHOU had as an eyewitness seemed odd. Nothing makes sense, except that it’s close to the Hardy Toll Road and esay to get to. My we should track down some EZ-Pass Tags to the vechicle that might have been used to transport the arsonists.

  • Achance

    For that matter, a lot of people here should try to rent a brain as well.

  • JSobieski

    and Achance is sufficiently deep in yours to feel the neurons firing.

    Seriously, I know the guy annoys you, but I would suggest stepping back a bit. If you really want to “win” you have to not be bothered so much.

  • Aaron Gardner

    See you when you sober up.

  • JSobieski

    but as a midwestern Yankee who has put in significant time in Alabama and North Carolina, the midwest is pretty gosh darn hospitable. We just have less “rules” about it than Southerners.

    I was the best man in a NC wedding. Preachers daughter was the bride. Wow, were there rules . . . and rules . .. and rules. I wouldn’t call those wedding coordinator “ladies” particularly friendly either.

    I will say that I do very much enjoy the south though.

  • Achance
  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    Some of you need to step away from the keyboard and take a personal time out.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Or was that just a bs justification that you decided to trot out in order to support the idea of a third party Murkowski run?

    I think you need a break Art. I also don’t take kindly to the inference that I should rent a brain. And don’t try to say that you didn’t mean me because your accusation was just as general as Miller’s accusations.

  • AceInTX
  • Richard Mullins

    It behoves Joe Miller to make right with the Murkowski voters. Voting republican was a fore-gone conclusion. So, Joe Miller should play nice and take any advice Lisa Murkowski has for him.

  • emaberk

    He called me “stupid” too because he didn’t agree with my comment. Just don’t sink their level and keep posting the thoughtful comments you are.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Just wondering.

  • eburke

    who hasn’t said thing one about supporting him in the general election against the Democrat.

    Question: Why?

  • AceInTX
  • constitutionalconservative

    I know this was emotionally draining for all of the partisans here. I’m very happy with the result, but as I wrote previously, I would have supported the Republican nominee regardless.

    We need to unite now behind Joe Miller– The Dems figure to go after him at least for a test run. If we can unite as a party, we will win this race.

  • Achance
  • Aaron Gardner

    Thanks for the confirmation Art.

  • Richard Mullins

    That way you might know yourself. Take a deep breath and remember that internet is forever. I have something for another word for you, huh? My grandmother never had plastic covers on the couches, it was just that eating around the couches was forbidden and my grandparents on my mom’s side were neat freaks. Perhaps you should ask me first about my family before talking. In real life, I’m a nice guy but I detest stupidity in the fullest. If any needs an apology, it would have to be me since all you do is speculate about people without even a hint of truth.

  • eburke

    DeVore to suck it up and endorse Carly even though I passionately supported him, I would’ve expected that Miller would endorse Murkowski if he had lost.

    It is my hope (expectation?) that after time for reflection, Lisa and her supporters will do the right thing and support the Republican in the general election. What unites us far exceeds what divides us.

  • JSobieski

    The same is true for blame and chastisement. This is my last shot at trying to convince you that you are wasting so much of your time and energy.

    What advice would Rush give you? He would tell you not to get so hung in perceived rudeness and trying to level the scales of fairness.

    Life is unfair. Man is by nature fallen. Caring so much about how you are perceived or how others are perceived is a total waste of time. Focus on the substance, and less about demanding apologies, being insulted, etc.

    You will be happier that way, and more effective.

  • Scope

    and yup, it’s still the same face I was born with. High prominent cheekbones, check. Blue eyes, check. Upturned nose, check. High forehead, check. Anything else you want me to check out?

  • Richard Mullins
  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    NOW.

  • snowshooze

    Too good to miss…
    Lettum go, in this particular case…aw what the heck. It won’t kill us.

  • snowshooze

    Too good to miss…
    Lettum go, in this particular case…aw what the heck. It won’t kill us.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Anybody ELSE want to encourage rude behavior in the comments threads?

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    …who is up at 1 AM monitoring RS comments sections when he could be asleep. And he’s cranky and annoyed that people didn’t take his hints, so now he’s going to have to stay up and ban people until the rest get the message.

  • Richard Mullins

    and besides, I’m hard on the people I like, so take it as a complement. You might see that as sarcasm but it’s not. It’s for real and you consider your on my good side.

  • audax

    I hope he is a DeMint/Coburn team player but not a Murkowski type team player…we have ENOUGH of THEM! we need a return to Constitutionalism BUTT KICKER! And that is what Joe Miller WLL be. He certainly wont be a go-along-to-get-along brown noser. Lower our taxes! Get the Government BOOT off our necks!! Thank you Joe Miller!

  • audax
  • audax
  • cwilson

    So, on election night, everybody knew there were 8-9K questioned ballots. Plus, it was public knowledge on election night — somewhere — that there were 19K absentee ballot requests, of which an unknown number would actually be returned by the deadline.

    So, everybody should have known, on election night, that there were still, at most, 28K ballots still “out there” — including the Miller campaign. A 1700 vote lead with 28,000 ballots uncounted is nowhere close to a “win”.

    That does put some meat on the bones of your objection to the Team Miller behavior last week.

  • Achance

    Thurday at the very latest because Questioned ballots were reviewed on Thursday and Miller had observers at all the Elections offices. Even on election night, anybody wiht any business near a campaign knew that there were many thousands of uncounted ballots still out there.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    …snowshooze’s account has been turned back on.