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More Notes From Alaska

Big Government has more on Alaska and notes:

Murkowski did not endorse Joe Miller. This is getting to be a trend among beaten Republicans that they don’t endorse their more conservative challengers. See e.g. Bill McCollum.

Sources in Alaska confirm Murkowski is in talks with the Libertarians, though the LIbertarians are saying she won’t get on the ballot for them.

By the way, it is worth noting that Big Government beat everybody on the news that Murkowski would be conceding.

COMMENTS

  • bk

    Yesterday had to be a long frustrating day for her, and by conceding she had to eat some humble pie, which is not on the menu of ANY politician. If she was going to be a jerk, she could have said that while yesterday was disappointing, she wasn’t conceding anything until all the votes had been counted. Maybe she’ll end up being a jerk in the end, but it seems unfair to say so based on yesterday’s events.

  • tngal

    The high road good option is to endorse your primary opponent. Then there’s the “spite and spit” Scozzafava option, of endorsing the OTHER party’s opponent. And the Crist “I’m better than the other guy, they just don’t know it yet” option, of running anyway on a different line.

  • audax
  • ywhyvon1

    But , BK, I agree with you alot.

    Furthermore, can we get over the Alaska Politics.

    I don’t recall, in my time at redstate, which is more than the 2 months or so that I have actually been registered, seeing so many comments and such drawn out agrument as that involeving the Miller Murkowski issue.

    Achance is another diarist/poster I have been viewing for a long time. I’m pretty sure I like him, but enough already!

    If y’all want to say more please take it outside. I’m giving achance 3 to 1 odds. If for no other reason than that he won’t back down no matter how bad he’s getting is @s$ kicked.

    Seriously, I hate to see the Dems win Alaska, if according to Achance and others who live there seem to think is a high probability, but it’s time to move on for the time being and revisit this crap latter. It is what it is and there are other fights to be fought right now.

  • audax
  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    But the Murkowski campaign has had since last Tuesday to come to terms with the inevitable.

  • trapperjohn

    and the Alaska Republican Party has congratulated Miller on Facebook. The party leadership almost completely was backing Murkowski.

  • willbone87

    Remember the Seinfeld episode where Jerry dates the Asian immigration lawyer?

    Well, let’s not forget that Lisa Murkowski’s father is that blustering, bully of a blowhard-Frank Murkowski, who so brazenly appointed his daughter to fill the remainder of his Senate term when he got elected to his one and only disaster of a term as Governor. The crap he pulled to do so would make a Chicago Alderman blush.

    Then, once Lisa the “Shahrk” got elected to a full term in 2004 (in a difficult election), she fired all of her staff out of the blue and forced them to reapply for their jobs–rehiring but a few of them. This was based on some asinine “how to succeed” book (“Good to Great”).

    Thanks, boss. I really enjoyed working for you.

    Lisa Murkowski will do whatever it takes to help Lisa Murkowski, first, foremost, and last.

    BTW, I expect Lisa to “grow” in the next couple of months in order to leave her fingers all over bad energy policy. Remember, she is currently the Ranking Member on the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee. It is a lot easier to get one of those cushy lobbying jobs when you have shown “leadership” by working across party lines to pass legislation.

    The Lisa Murkowski story is far from over.

  • rdelbov

    not call McCollum less conservative then Scott. McCollum was an outstanding conservative in the house–down the line on abortion -taxes while Scott is all talk. I do not doubt he is a conservative but ponder two points.

    1. Name one conservative cause he was active in before his own campaign. Big donor to Heritage or AEI or Reagan library? How Hillsdale? How about a “Scott commission” like the Grace commission to reduce government spending? Not that I can recall.

    2. Scott has cast zero legislative votes. McCollum has. You can quibble about any vote he cast but Scott has no record to show he would do any different. Talk is cheap.

    That’s not to say Scott is not a solid conservative but he sure has hid it for the last 30 years.

    I might add that Didier has not endorsed Rossi.

    I might add that Trancredo has not withdrawn from his CO Gov race

    I might add that Hayworth has not endorsed McCain.

    Before anyone pokes McCollum or Murkowski lets see a little unity from his folks?

  • ywhyvon1
  • ywhyvon1

    I was under the impression this was about an Alaskan race, No Florida
    MyBad:P

  • Spartan4Life

    Like the man’s resume but that stubble has got to go. Hate to be petty but he’s in the bigs now.

  • audax

    Are you still planning on attending? Can we get an update as to what happened come this Friday? What do you think will happen with Murkowski? Do you think she will be gracious (again, because I think she was gracious in conceeding before all the votes were counted) and throw her support to Miller?

  • audax
  • audax
  • bk

    From an AP report:

    “Lisa Murkowski is a class act who always put Alaska first,” McAdams said in a statement late Tuesday. “By contrast, lawyer Joe Miller ran an unfair, nasty campaign that didn’t extend to Lisa Murkowski the respect she deserves.”

    Of course had Murkowski won, no doubt McAdams would be saying she had only gotten there because of her dad’s nepotism, etc., etc. But that’s the way politics works.

  • rdelbov

    specifically mentioned McCollum and I addressed that issue. He also mentioned party unity and I addressed that issue.

    I should add, however, that I encourage Senator Murkowski to endorse Miller. I believe she will. I hope she does the right thing and do a “Jason Allen”. Do the right thing Senator. A lot of conservatives in AK swallowed hard to support her in 2004. She will return the favor in 2010.

  • pilgrim

    Joe Miller

  • trapperjohn

    It will be interesting.

    I agree that she was gracious, but the handwriting was on the wall. She was not going to win and that was obvious by the end of counting yesterday.

    Who knows if she will endorse, I hope she does because that will go a long way toward victory in Nov. I am interested in seeing the republican leaders endorse. That will be hard for them. I have been in many of those meetings as the only one sticking up for Joe. They were completely dismissive of him..

    This is going to be a nasty race because the D attack dogs will come out big time. They had good practice on Palin and will turn that experience on Joe. He has 8 children, I expect them to start there.

  • streiff

    The story title is “More Notes From Alaska.”

    Pay attention.

  • trapperjohn

    This was supposed to be a reply to your question about attending the Republican Unity party tomorrow

  • ywhyvon1
  • ywhyvon1

    Isn’t stublly and beardy and hairy like an Alaskan state characteristic?

    O r was that just from watching “Call of the Wild”
    just sayin’

  • Achance

    Election night ended with Miller holding a 1668 vote lead with 25K or more votes left to count. The outcome was by no means inevitable unless you could see inside those questioned and absentee ballot envelopes. The Miller Campaign immediately started doing a victory dance, calling for Murkowski to concede, and accusing the Party and Murkowski of trying to steal the election victory from them. There was no reason to concede with 25K votes, many of them cast some time ago, yet to be counted. There was no reason to accuse the Murkowski Campaign of trying to steal the election. There was no reason to publish van Flein’s work of fiction regarding Mike Roman. Roman did what so many Beltway types do here, tried to bully the rubes, but he wasn’t able to and did nothing wrong, though not for lack of trying.

    The Miller Campaign’s behavior after the count ended on the 24th is going to be very hard for a lot of people to get over. The Miller/Palin side of the Party has stored up a lot of ill will inside the Party. No Republican activist is going to go vote for the Democrat, though if it looks like he has a chance, some wannabe officeholder might start a “Republicans for McAdams,” somebody always does.

    As my old Daddy used to say, “Son, don’t pee in wells you might have to drink out of.” Well, the Miller Campaign peed in quite a few wells and did so willfully. The whole stealing the election thing, which you went along with, was either outright paranoia or a cynical contrivance, I lean towards the latter. Murkowski was a sitting Senator with a lot of personal resources and the resources or the NRSC available to her. Whatever people here think, the NRSC is a club that incumbent senators have paid to join. Calling them for help is like calling the AAA for a tow rather than pushing your car to the garage. Miller’s bluster about stealing the election bluffed Murkowski and the NRSC out of using whatever resources they might have had in the count. The math was pretty easy by today; challenge enough votes to get inside the half percent and force a recount. Make Miller spend money that he first doesn’t have and second will need for the General if he wins; there were lots of moves on the board to either be destructive or maybe even eke out a win. Murkowski chose not to do it, and conceded while there were still perhaps 10K votes yet to be counted.

    Now we are expected to go make nice with people who have twice been a part of Palin’s “clean up” campaign and who have very publicly accused us of trying to steal an election from them. It is going to be hard to drink from the well they peed in.

    Post Script: And contrary to the assertions of some of the fantasy writers here, I don’t have any particular loyalty to the Murkowskis, father or daughter. I was there before Frank became Governor and would have been there afterwards if I had wanted to; he needed me more than I needed him. I think and have said here many times that appointing Lisa destroyed the Administration. But that said, she won re-election in ’04 and I’m one of those Party loyalty and support the incumbent kind of guys; I need a really, really good reason to oppose an incumbent and a political neophyte with no record of leadership or winning public office isn’t nearly a good enough reason for me. Now be a margin of a little over a thousand votes, that neophyte is the nominee. I hope that thousand votes didn’t just give this seat to the Democrats. I don’t think it will, but this race has turned the formerly unthinkable into the at least remotely possible.

  • ywhyvon1

    but that would be hypocritical due to the fact that I have a go-t that would put NBC”S Chuck Todd to same(as if he didn’t have enough) and I live in GA

  • ywhyvon1
  • Achance

    Lots of guys will wear a beard in the winter and shave it in summer still though. Lots of guys who work outdoors, e.g., fishermen and construction workers, wear a beard, but the Pipeline Era image of bearded guys wearing Levis, a Pendleton shirt, and Tony Lama boots is pretty much a thing of the past. Anymore, the dressed up men on a flight to or from Seattle are more likely to be the Alaskans.

  • deano64

    I actually hope you are right because that would be about the most ineffective attack campaign we’ve seen in awhile.

  • eburke

    He’s destroying the planet whilst enslaving his wife because he didn’t demand that they be aborted.

    Who the hell knows. They’ll figure something out. I mean, after all, Trig is actually Bristol’s baby. Don’t you read *anything*?

  • JSobieski

    and its not in any way dirty politics. Absolutely agree that electrion fraud allegations in a primary is like pissing in a well. However, given what I have actually read from the Miller campaign (as opposed to what people write in blogs), I am not sure that Miller can be blamed for all of that.

    The bottom line is that everyone should be more careful in throwing around accusations or repeating them.

    There is a big difference between “Murkowski committed fraud” and “someone who supports Murkowski may have improperly accessed a computer or brought in a bag.” If party unity means anything, it means that words like racist or fraud should not be used until there is substantial basis for doing so.

    Whatever errors the Miller campaign did in this respect were exponentially increased by the conservative blogs and conservative media with hysterical headlines not supported in fact. Conservatives should not apply the same standard to a liberal as they do a RINO (and Murkowski was no RINO). If there isn’t a fact to back it up, and the other campaign isn’t saying it, then an accusation shouldn’t be spread like wildfilre in reckless abandon of whether there was any truth to it.

  • Aaron Gardner

    And lets not act like you haven’t been pissing in wells for the last 2 years here.

  • Section9

    Hmmm. A tragedy that Uncle Ted and is gone. He would have held a sit down by now, I suspect, and knocked some heads together.

  • Achance

    that they believed it or that they cynically made it up? And I don’t go around making stuff up. You may not like what I say, particularly regarding St. Sarah, but I can usually back it up.

  • pilgrim

    The lower 48 idiots that nominated Joe Miller along with the “valley trash” idiots in Alaska and Wasilla rednecks.

  • deano64

    I’m just doubting the effectiveness of it.

  • audax
  • Aaron Gardner

    Also, any facts you bring to the table are also always seasoned with a liberal helping of personal hate and animosity for “that woman”.

    By your own words you have created the perception that you are just a bitter, sexist crank.

    This, to me, is rather unfortunate because it takes away from the value you add to this site with your on the ground political operative experience.

    You have made Palin a proxy for everything bad in your life, and it is sad to watch happen.

    There was a time that you could deconstruct an argument point by point and influence people’s opinions. Now you just call people who disagree with you names.

  • Achance

    but the people here who’ve spent the last several days and weeks excoriating Lisa Murkowski, who I support, aren’t sexits. That makes perfect sense.

  • Aaron Gardner

    If you want me to go through and catalog all of your comments in just the last week where you have made sexist remarks I can do that.

  • cwilson

    …and it cost him, if you follow the “Revenge of the Clintons” storyline against Columbia/HCA (and Johns Hopkins, and the Mayo Clinic, and…)

    Most of the so-called “dirt” McCollum used against Scott during the primary grew from that “Revenge of the Clintons” saga.

  • Achance

    And, frankly, if Lisa’s last name weren’t Murkowski, you’d have never heard of her either. I’m not sure her last name really is Murkowski anymore; she is married, so she’s either using the maiden name for political advantage or didn’t take his name.

  • cwilson

    Err…huh? Maybe nothing that he DID do had any actual effect on the vote counting process, but unless the lawyer was outright lying [1] as opposed to merely exagerating, then Roman did violate rules/regulations/laws in several ways.

    So, did any of the following actually occur, or not?

    a) Did Roman, an observer for one campaign, access the Division of Elections Voter Record Database for 20 minutes, and is that allowed under the rules or not?

    b) Did Roman send texts while reviewing voter information? The “nice old ladies” told him to stop, but did they have the authority to do that, and was there a pre-existing rule against it? Further, did those texts contain confidential voter information?

    c) After his iPhone battery died, did Roman record confidential voter information in his notebook (never mind that he was prevented from leaving with it). Is there a pre-existing rule against recording this information?

    And finally, if there WERE no pre-existing rules prohibiting the above actions, and the “nice old ladies” were making stuff up — WHY THE H*** NOT? Those seem to be pretty darn obvious rules to prevent misuse of voter information by political operatives (aka “observers”) and possible voter intimidation, fraud, and violations of the secrecy of the “secret” ballot…

    [1] That could be the case, of course. A letter is not a legal document, and is not submitted under oath. It could be chock full of lies top to bottom.

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    Way to prove a point.

  • Alberta

    Kudlow had been talking about the energy situation, he was all drill drill drill, and he found a head of an energy state in Palin to come on and go drill drill drill.

    Im sure her being pretty helped, Kudlow isnt an idiot, but Im sure he would have put her on if she was fat and ugly.

    I just wouldnt want to sleep with her, then. Heyo!

    Chance, for reals, in this day nobody is going to get nominated if they are fat and ugly, save NJ gov. Which is to say no fat and ugly woman is going to get nominated.

    You talk about moves on the board, well, sex appeal is a move on the board. Obama used it to get the presidency. Don’t hate on it, just recognize it for what it is.

    Palin was energy, social con, plus she was sexy. Of course nobody would have heard about her if she wasn’ cutet. But now that they have heard of her, they like what she had to say, and she stuck around.

    The charge that people still care about the woman because they want to sleep with her is silly in 2010. People like her because she comes off as normal, illusion or not.

  • JSobieski

    Obama was not qualified to be President. His lack of executive experience was striking.

    I am, generally speaking, a Palin supporter. In 2008, I was absolutely thrilled with her as a VP choice. However, I do think there is some truth to the analogy that Palin is the right’s version of Obama. We project our hopes and desires onto her. We want a rock star. We love the fact that our enemies can’t stand her. Nobody inspires such passion on our side of the isle.

    However, her qualifications/experience to be President would be weaker than any other President save for Obama himself. Her record of governing is 2 years as governor, X number of years as mayor, and Y number ofyears on the energy commission. I don’t think the next President of the US is going have anywhere near as sketchy a resume as Obama’s. Many of us (including fans) are nervous that she is not the right choice for 2012.

    Bottom Line: Many people are concerned that Palin-mania may overtake reason in 2012, and that does impact how people talk about her.

    That said, I would vote for her over Romney or Huckabee in a second. I just hope those aren’t are choices. I also hope that Palin’s fan base is not so grounded in imagery and emotion as policy.

    In politics, both person (i.e. candidate) and policy matter. You can’t ignore one or the other.

  • bk

    It seems fair for it to create some concerns for the Miller people that the NRSC immediately said they were flying in a guy who would be there ONLY to help Murkowski.

    The NRSC got him out of there pretty quickly, so I think they realized they screwed up. If that’s what started the supposed paranoia, then I can understand it.

    How much of a factor was that? Did it legitimately stoke some fear, or do you think the Miller people knew it was innocent and used it as an excuse to cry wolf?

  • Achance

    to be an attractive woman, at least above the local level. Alaska has long had lots of women in the Legislature, some of them very powerful, but generally they were, shall we say, matronly. That began to change somewhat in the ’80s but as late as ’02 when Fran Ulmer, an attractive woman, ran against Frank Murkowski for the governorship, she let her hair go gray and dropped the fitted, tailored image she’d had as Lt. Gov. The quip here was that Alaska’s macho moose murderers would vote for a woman for Statewide office, but not for a woman they’d think about having sex with. And make no mistake about it, even in this enlightened age, virtually no man alive has ever laid eyes on any woman without at least a quick calculation about whether he’d like to have sex with her.

    Sarah Palin didn’t become Mayor of Wasilla, candidate for Lt. Governor, member of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, and ultimately Governor of Alaska by being the President of the Debate Club. She got noticed because she was a pretty basketball player. She got noticed politically because she was a pretty young wife and mother. Once she was in politics she got a lot of notice simply because she was beauty queen pretty. I submit that if another less attractive woman had said and done the same things as Sarah Palin has said and done, even said them in the same voice and with the same expressions and gestures, nobody outside of Wasilla, Alaska would have ever heard of her.

    Now I don’t begrudge that, I just acknowledge it rather than try to deny it as so many others do. Executive Hair goes a long way for men, and men under 50 or so better be able to at least fake a certain atleticism. No matter how hard the self-esteem types try to repeal natural selection, people are attracted to attractive people. Most of my staff in the later years of my career were attractive women. I sought them out because bright attractive women have so MANY advantages. Even bright attractive men are disarmed by them, so they get treated much better and less agressively than a man would.

    Which brings us back to Sarah Palin; she got treated a LOT better on the way up than any man would and she was smart enough and self-interested enough to take full advantage of that fact.

  • Achance

    It is a real liability for conservatives that so many of them so hate government that they refuse to learn anything about it. NRSC is a club of which Lisa Murkowski is a member and Joe Miller is not. Expecting her not to call on the NRSC for help is roughly the same as expecting her not to call the AAA when she needs a tow and, rather, pushing her car to the garage. I know they solicit money from people who aren’t members of the incumbent Senator club, but those people really ought to know what they’re giving money to.

    I hope they were smart and cynical enough to have done it on purpose, though I think it more likely the blind hog found an acorn. They bluffed Murkowski out of taking any agressive steps on her own behalf. Whatever, if anything Mike Roman did, he did himself; I’m pretty confident that Bitney or Karen Knudsen didn’t tell Roman to go out there and try to get into an Elections computer. And, typically, he failed to intimidate the rubes.

    I’ve dealt with this a lot inside State government with new administrations. They don’t have a clue where the light switches and restrooms are, are too paranoid of State employees to ask anybody, and do a lot of stupid stuff because they’re convinced everybody is out to get them.

  • Achance

    the comments. Think there’s a little paranoia in the water? http://www.adn.com/2010/08/31/1433643/our-view-election-integrity.html

  • tngal

    Its a PPP exit poll done on Murk and Miller. Not sure that its a consolation but the people that voted Miller did NOT do so because of Palin, in fact in the question are you more or less likely to vote for a candidate endorsed by SP -35 percent said less likely while only 26 percent said more likely. Half had voted for Murk the other for Miller.

    I put it up earlier hoping you’d see it. The theory is, Palin got Miller some recognition early on but her support really did not carry him through and you have numbers in this poll to prove your point Alaskans aren’t necessarily Palin lovers.

    (The respondents were not asked if they’d rather sleep with Palin or Murk, although next time they do a poll on Pelosi they might want to throw it in. )

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AK_831.pdf

  • AKSteveB

    Palin’s main accomplishment for Miller was bringing in the money for him to get visibility.

    What has surprised me, is that the absentee ballots weren’t much different than the election day ones. The late surge for Miller has probably been exaggerated. More likely is that Miller supporters are the type to just not want to answer polls. Plenty of folks in the Mat-Su Valley who would just as soon shoot a polltaker (or census agent), as answer.

  • Achance

    a lot more influence in the Lower 48 than here. She probably has influence here in Southeast in the sense that if she’s for it, most people are against it.

  • azaeroprof

    that’s really selling her short. I mean you don’t see Pamela Anderson or Megan Fox getting elected to anything. Yes, Sarah is a reasonably attractive woman in her 40′s. (For Alaska women, though, I think Kirsten Powers is pretty hot, but I wouldn’t vote for her for anything even if you put a gun to my head!). But she didn’t get elected or draw a national following strictly on her looks. It had at least as much to do with her delivering an unbelievably effective scathing RNC speech. While she may not be a national debate champion, she definitely held her own in the VP debate (albeit against a moron!).

    But she would not have gotten to where she is today if she didn’t have significant political skills. And an uncanny natural ability for people to feel like she is “down-to-earth” and able to relate to them. And from what I’ve seen, she is amazing at the one-to-one “working the crowd”. I’ve only met a handful of pols who are as effective as she is at that. Also, the one really positive thing I recall you saying about her was to praise her political instincts. You don’t get to go from city council to mayor to governor to VP candidate to political folk hero just by being pretty. In fact, if she were movie-star pretty, I would probably like her much less.

    Now, to actually agree with part of your point, she is certainly much better off than if she looked like Hillary Clinton!

  • acat

    paranoia or, more accurately, lack of trust was justified?

    That is, where a state employee was deliberately malicious toward a new political appointee?

    Mew

  • bk

    There are Miller black helicopter people in there, Murkowski people griping about Miller, MacAdams people pretending to be life-long Republicans who are just SHOCKED at Miller’s dirty antics, etc.

    Unlike commenters at RedState of course (grin), I figure most newspaper commenters are goofballs whether I agree with what they are saying or not.

    It would be interesting to know the truth behind the alleged phone calls to absentee voters.
    - Did Miller people do it so they could blame Murkowski?
    - Did Murkowski people do it so they could try to look for some angle to use during the counting?
    - Did NRSC people do it without Murkowski knowing?
    - Was it all just made up (in which case you’d think that would be Miller supporters doing it)?

  • acat

    My view of Palin is that she’s a remarkably capable bomb-thrower, but in need of a good bit more seasoning to actually be a decent executive.

    In short, while she’d be a great titular head for the RNC in 2011, giving her some visibility to launch bombs from, I don’t think she’s ready for POTUS. Not nearly. Dept. Interior, maybe. Veep under a strong administration, maybe. (see also “high position to throw bombs from”)

    I liked her very much for veep, not so much for POTUS. Still feel about the same.

    Mew

  • Achance

    after a long time with one party. I’ve watched plenty of State employees just waltz an appointee right over a cliff. I’ve watched plenty more just watch the appointee as s/he waltzed over the cliff that everybody knew was there. Can’t say I’ve never done it myself; I just flat set up and took out my Knowles holdover boss to become Murkowski’s head of labor relations. She waltzed beautifully over the cliff. It is one of the most elegantly beautiful things I’ve ever done; I just love it when people do just exactly what I’m trying to get them to do.

    If you’ve read my old “How-to” stuff archived here, I stridently advocate that a new elected or appointed official fire EVERYBODY s/he has a colorable legal right to fire. That take out the other guy or the other party’s appointees. If the other guy or the other party has been in power awhile, some of the top merit system employees may be political, but they’re easy to spot; the guys are too friendly to you for somebody from the other camp, and the women are WAY too friendly to you. There’s been more than a few resignations to go spend more time with the family because some fool didn’t understand that the bit of fluff he’d been banging hadn’t taken the name of the union or greenie lobbyist she was married to.

    Anyway, any Republcan should fire every political appointee as soon as his/her hand comes off The Bible. They should then fire any merit system employee who doesn’t do what they’re told. You won’t have to fire many before they all become very docile and loyal.

  • Achance

    I think it was just yo-yos trying to get five minutes on Dan Fagan.

    That said, there would be a very good reason for either campaign to call absentee voters, their names are public record, and try to determine whether they really exist. Calling them to ask them who they voted for is kinda stupid and campaigns sometimes do stupid, but that call accomplishes nothing. But it really does accomplish something to establish that there is no John Smith at 123 Birch Lane. That’s the way you cheat with absentees; have a registered name and address that you know doesn’t exist and then you just vote it from the boiler room.

  • Mary Beth

    Experience is a good thing. But it’s not the only thing. But don’t get me wrong… I think anyone applying for the most important executive position in the world should have some experience running something. A business… a military command… something.

    But just as important… is wisdom, and guts, and resolve.

    I think that if Obama weren’t the staunch lefty ideologue that he is…and if he had a little wisdom and humility, that would make up for his lack of experience he could and would allow himself to learn and grow into the role. He could admit his shortcomings at least to himself…and could adjust to the challenges he faces. But he lacks all of the above.

    I do support Palin and I’d like to see her make a run in 2012 because I believe she has those qualities plus executive experience.

    But it will be up to her to make the case for herself to the nation versus the field of other candidates.

  • Achance

    said she’d have never gotten the chance if she hadn’t been pretty. Different thing altogether. Palin is a very skillful political operative, but none of that would have mattered if she hadn’t been pretty. An unattractive woman with the same skills would still be unknown outside Wasilla, if even well known there.

  • Achance

    http://www.adn.com/2010/09/01/1434932/rasmussen-poll-miller-has-6-point.html

    Six points on somebody nobody had ever heard of. Joe Miller needs to be on the phone, but my usually reliable sources say he isn’t. One vote is enough, but it makes for a long election night. If they did the math and can make it work to eke out a victory from their base in the Mat-Su and the FAI suburbs, I guess they’re good at what they do, but I can tell you the rest of the State is going to hate them for it.

  • acat

    I would *love* to see your tactics applied in Illinois. Half of Springfield and 2/3 of the state workers officed in Chicago need to be gone, period.

    That said, and while I readily agree that ignorance of government is inexcusable in an appointee or especially in an elected official, I’m not sure it’s fair to say they’re paranoid when sometimes – as you say – the state workers really are out to get them.

    I’m not saying that voting Murkowski out and Miller in is a good idea for Alaska – in the short term, assuming Miller can pull it out, Alaska will be behind in seniority and in the senate that *matters* – but .. unless Miller is an utter failure, time will cure that.

    You’re still better off than this cat. There’s no way Miller or his Dem rival can be as bad as Durbin or Burris.

    Mew

  • Richard Mullins

    Here it is . The poll was conducted yesterday and the numbers have shored up since the PPP poll on Sunday. We can only hope it doesn’t move tighter towards a parity on Miller v McAdams.

  • Michael Dugas

    and the kind of fighting and political brinkmanship that will be needed to undo the damage Obama has been able to exact AND to further push conservative fiscal policy. This will NOT be a fight for a political neophyte and on the federal level that is what she is.
    I’m hoping we get some idea as to who is going to be in the running for POTUS in 2012, outside of the usual names such as Romney, HuckaME, Paul etc. No one currently excites me.

  • JSobieski

    While I am willing to “take chances” on a lot of folks in a lot of situations, I think we need someone with more experience than Palin. Quiting mid-term really sinks her in my mind. Every President will at some point in their term go through “the tunnel” —think Iran-Contra, Katrina, Clinton’s Impeachment, etc.

    If Palin had been a two term governor, I could be one of her most strident supporters, but we can’t take changes on who the next President is going to me.

    That said, I would still vote Palin over Huckabee or Romney.

  • AceInTX

    you alk about cold, hard political moves and strategy trumping everything to the point where you all but endorse Murkowski leaving the party and running as a libertarian while at the same time piss and moan that Miller played a trump card he held in his hand.

    I’ve respected you for a long time though we’re often on opposite sides of things…but I think you’re doing your credibility real damage the last several days.

  • Mary Beth

    There is no job in the world quite like it.

    I guess my point in response would be that I’m willing to take the reason she left into account. I’m satisfied with the whys but I understand why some wouldn’t be or that some wouldn’t be necessarily inclined to take it into consideration.

    All that said… I really feel that if and when she announces a run, it’ll be on her shoulders to communicate her vision for the country. Her leaving will be an issue for some but it’s not a deal breaker for me as I’m sure it is for others. I’m more interested in her positions, her ability to fight effectively, her ability to motivate and inspire people to embrace conservative principles and her desire to see our nation and its leaders respect constitutional limitations. If I see these things in another candidate who has more experience then perhaps that will be the candidate I back but so far, she’s the only one who stands out for me on these issues.

    Let’s see what happens. I mean that’s a million years from now politically. Anything could happen.

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  • JSobieski

    leaves her with insufficient executive experience, and its not like she will ever run for governor again.

    She was governor for 2 years, and during that period of time, it was pretty much smooth sailing except for the 2008 campaign.

    Her best pathway to the Presidency is to be a VP or important cabinet person.

  • JSobieski

    leaves her with insufficient executive experience, and its not like she will ever run for governor again.

    She was governor for 2 years, and during that period of time, it was pretty much smooth sailing except for the 2008 campaign.

    Her best pathway to the Presidency is to be a VP or important cabinet person.

  • azaeroprof

    and that’s an improvement for us to agree to that level on a Palin post!

  • JSobieski

    (1) conservative positions/framework/worldview
    (2) communication skills–particularly ability to fight in hostile territory
    (3) charisma
    (4) experience–executive and personal fights involving adversity

    I don’t doubt that Palin has good judgment, but I don’t think she has proven that she has good judgment. Picking two term governors to be President is a good way to weed people out.

    I hate the fact that Huckabee is aided by my methodology over Palin and Romney, both of whom I would prefer over Huckabee.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    having left, i.e. quit her executive position in Alaska. And I am a big fan of heres on the issues, character, etc and have been since well before the 2008 campaign.

  • AKSteveB

    I’ll show if I can get away from work.

  • AKSteveB

    folks in the Valley see polltakers, the same way folks in Eastern Tennessee saw revenooers. I’d add 10-20 pct to any lead Miller has, that has been the pattern so far, I can’t see that it would change.

  • Mary Beth

    I guess where I differ is that I’m comfortable with her ability to make executive decisions. Her career so far has been filled with positions where she had to make the call and take principled stands and delegate responsibility.

    I think the fact that she’s willing to take principled risks and stand by them… on top of the fact that she’s out there fighting daily for us… proves to me she’s in this for the long haul. Even with all the crap that’s flung at her…she doesn’t back down. To me, her day to day life destroys the quitter meme.

    And I’m looking for that kind of fighter for 2012. I don’t want a squishy who doesn’t want to offend. I don’t see anyone else out there who is a potential contender with these qualities.

    If someone else does come along… somehow… someone with more experience as Palin and is willing to go to the mat for us… I’ll take a look. But I don’t see that out there yet.

  • JSobieski

    or most of them anyway, but that doesn’t mean he would be a great President.

    Running things is different than being a pundit/commentator/fundraiser/bomb thrower. 2 years as a Governor of a small population state where the federal government owns all the land is not alot of experiece. I would give greater weighy 2 years as mayor of NYC than the governor of Alaska.

    Many of Obama’s weaknesses at the moment are not merely political/ideological. He is used to just talking about things without having to do things about it.

    My theory on Presidents is that we elect the candidate who best addresses the perceived weakness of the current president.

    Clinton addressed Bush I’s lack of empathy
    Bush II addressed Clinton’s lack of morals
    Obama addressed Bush II’s lack speech giving skills
    The next President will be someone with experience, because that is Obama’s greatest weakness—even more than being an ideologue.

    He could have been a far more effective ideologue if he had more experience as an executive.

  • JSobieski

    or most of them anyway, but that doesn’t mean he would be a great President.

    Running things is different than being a pundit/commentator/fundraiser/bomb thrower. 2 years as a Governor of a small population state where the federal government owns all the land is not alot of experiece. I would give greater weighy 2 years as mayor of NYC than the governor of Alaska.

    Many of Obama’s weaknesses at the moment are not merely political/ideological. He is used to just talking about things without having to do things about it.

    My theory on Presidents is that we elect the candidate who best addresses the perceived weakness of the current president.

    Clinton addressed Bush I’s lack of empathy
    Bush II addressed Clinton’s lack of morals
    Obama addressed Bush II’s lack speech giving skills
    The next President will be someone with experience, because that is Obama’s greatest weakness—even more than being an ideologue.

    He could have been a far more effective ideologue if he had more experience as an executive.

  • trapperjohn

    postponed by the party again…………guess they are trying to see if they can get themselves unified behind their own candidate, or something. Don’t know what is happening.

  • Mary Beth

    …out of the list of Obama’s weaknesses… for me, his lack of executive experience isn’t as important as his arrogance, his petulance, his inability to listen to or care about the will of the American people, etc.. It doesn’t factor into his thinking beyond what lies he willingly tells to ram through his agenda.

    So by your calculation, whoever does the best job of putting their finger on the pulse of America will win their hearts.

    I guess it just depends on what the greatest perceived weakness is though. If it does turn out to be executive experience then I’m sure we’ll end up with someone who reflects that sentiment.

    Also… there is no perfect candidate, I’m sure we can all agree. Candidate A lacks this feature and Candidate B lacks the other feature. Palin is by no means perfect, nor is any of the other potentials who may become our candidate pool.

    So when the time rolls around, it will all depend on who has a handle on what America is saying and has a ready response for it. Our pool is small however. There isn’t an unlimited choice of contenders and we probably know who will be the short list of candidates. I don’t really anticipate the magical dark horse candidate riding in with their near perfect resume to save the day.

    That said…I will say though that the idea of driving libs NUTS with a possible President Bolton is appealing just to see their heads go explode-y. Heh heh heh.

    Feel the power of the ‘Stache!

  • Achance

    in it. But then I’ve never posed myself as the true conservative and solicited he support of St. Sarah and all the church-goers either. This is why I never really ran for office seriously; I never wanted to even have to act like a good guy.

  • JSobieski

    nt

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  • AceInTX

    I applaud your honesty Art.

    I didn’t expect you to answer the question let alone answer it honestly.

    The issue is this…he had the lead and he raised a fuss to protect that lead.

    The NRSC club mentality was a legitimate issue I think. Maybe it is as you say, an exclusive club and was always intended to be….which is what we’ve been saying all along…but they have sold themselves as representatives of rank and file Republicans. They’ve destroyed themselves by the way they’ve ham handedly supported Specter and Crist and Bennett….they put the last straw on the camel’s back with what they’ve done here…

    Cornyn may not survive because of his mismanagement the way he’s managed to step in every pile of dung on the floor since he took over the NRSC. It’s a shame really….I’ve worked to get him elected in TX and have supported him since his days as Atty Gen here….

  • The_Gadfly

    I just think that if a certain RINO hadn’t needed someone to spice up his dull, plodding, boring, losing ticket, nobody outside of Alaska would know her now. And maybe in the process she might have learned some of those lessons you’ve learned, even if it was the hard way. If she had one day she might very well have made an American Iron Lady. As is, we’re best off with her being a talking head and power behind the throne.

  • trapperjohn

    I’m kinda enjoying the squirming from afar. But they do need to do something.
    Or resign, that’s an option!

  • The_Gadfly

    You got the trench fighting down, but you’re still old school and focused on bringing home the bacon because that’s what has always sustained elections in the past. It may be a flash in the pan, and in a few years we may go back to that, but this election is different. People feel it all the way down in their bones that we are not merely approaching, but actually on the edge of the precipice. And that therefore we need to pull back. Miller played to that. And Murkowski voted for Obama programs. Unless you are a representative in Moonbeam country, having voted for an Obama program in the past Congress is a ticket to retirement.

  • The_Gadfly

    Shave, or full beard and make sure you start on the beard before you start the campaign if you go that route. The Don Johnson look went out ages ago.

  • Achance

    resign because some upstart, johnny come lately wants them to? There ain’t a lot of love between the Republican members of the Alaska Legislature and Sarah Palin. There ain’t a whole lot of love between Don Young and Sarah Palin or Sean Parnell. There ain’t a whole lot of love between the Republicans in every district that Lisa carried and Joe Miller didn’t. Joe Miller really ought to be on the phone in a humble manner with a lot of Republican legislators in districts that he didn’t carry. Either that, or his and Sarah’s plan has to be to win a Statewide race carrying only the Railbelt and roaded area districts. The math might work, but the rest of the State is going to hate them more than they already do for it.

    You guys just won a primary with maybe twenty percent of the votes you’ll need to win a General; you need some friends.

  • Achance

    I find a way to win the grievance, the arbitration, the labor board hearing, the court case, the election. I’m not a nice guy. My ethics can be very flexible, depending on the opposition. That’s why I’ve never been a candidate but once, and then only to make a point. I don’t want to represent The People, because The People have very different expectations from mine. But, when I find an officeholder or candidate that I like, it is lots of fun to make things possible for them. I’m very much a subscriber to the notion that friends will help you move, good friends will help you move bodies. I’ve moved a few bodies.

  • audax

    …over 50% and the Deem back in the 30′s somewhere….looks like unity is already occuring among the electorate….?

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  • audax

    In Rasmussen Reports? first look at the U.S. Senate race in Alaska, Republican newcomer Joe Miller holds a six-point lead over Sitka Mayor Scott McAdams.

    The latest statewide telephone survey of Likely Voters shows Miller attracting 50% of the vote, while McAdams earns support from 44%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate and two percent (2%) are undecided.

  • acat

    Pawlenty has brinkmanship down, but he’s not an exciting speaker.
    Jindal I like, but I think he needs – like Palin – more than one term.
    Daniels I’m not happy with – the whole “we need a truce” thing is just .. premature exhortation.
    Barbour has spent too much time in D.C. for me to be happy with him, but is an effective speaker and executive.
    Christie, like Jindal, needs more time in grade, but like Pawlenty he’s got brinkmanship down cold.

    Palin? Pales by comparison to any of the above. Period.

    Mew

  • Michael Dugas

    What about Rick Perry of Texas? I’ve heard his name mentioned a few times.
    I usually prefer a Governor instead of a US Senator or Congressman.
    Whoever it is has a hell of a job ahead of them….it’s gotta be the perks cuz the money sure ain’t worth the gray hair you walk away with.

  • acat

    And the only reason I didn’t list Perry earlier is the Texans on here seem pretty adamant about keeping him all to themselves. He’d be top three easily, possibly #1 with one little bitty problem.

    Brinkmanship? Got it.
    International policy? Got it.
    Effective speaker? Definitely.

    The problem? He’s a Texan, and we’ve been to that well quite a few times in the last half-century.

    Mew