Orrin Hatch Embraces His Future as a Scalp Collected by the Tea Party Movement

tankertodd

Murkowski lost her primary. She’s done as a Republican. Why the heck do you keep her in power positions based on her Republican identity?

Unreal. Get Hatch out.

No question the GOP establishment needs to get changed out, else the movement we’re in gets blocked by these statist pigs.

chihank

Mitch McConnell, Orrin Hatch, and John Cornyn are such weasels.

The Establishment goes after Christie O’Donnell with gusto, yet rewards traitors like Lisa Murky. Aided by the NEA, Murky will be running ads slamming Joe Miller. Will the NRSC run ads attacking Murky?

No more money to GOP Eiltes. Give directly to candidates.

cwilson

I like it. That should be the our motto until 2014. Or later.

tomato

From what I’m hearing, Lisa Murkowski is mentally unstable to the point her colleagues will put up with her because everyone knows she’s gone by January. In other words, she isn’t worth it.

I say unfit for the following reasons: a) She’s a sore loser, not considered a good trait in most places b) She doesn’t play by the rules, else she would have respected her organization’s primary results. c) An unusual negotiated outcome stemming from a closed door meeting. d) Murkowki is making a big “stink” though it looks Miller will win anyway.

She is not a Republican. She did not enter this race “late” and had no other procedural option to get into the election. As soon she rejected the results of the primary she rejected the rules, she is an independent crackpot.

Would it had been easier if she pleaded with the Alaskan GOP to declare her winner regardless of the vote count? Would have saved a lot of time.

Dave_in_Fla

FWIW. I figure when you are sitting at 41 seats which includes Collins and Snowe, and now forcibly retired Mukowski and Bennett, leadership might get a little nervous. There might be a little more intestinal fortitude if we had 45 seats.

That is the danger in primarying incumbents, they get a few more months in office to raise their middle finger toward the voters that don’t appreciate their fine qualities.

tankertodd

…she didn’t enrich herself more in her powerful role. She wants 6 more years to feather her bed, since she’s too incompetent to hold a real job. Sounds harsh? I watched her in that Miller debate. What a train wreck.

Wubbies World

… out of touch with what has people angry that they will hand their own defeat to the electorate, and they are still too stupid to see it.

Throw them all out, one by one, two by two, I don’t care, but they need to go.

I will send even more to whoever opposes them in the primaries than I already have to this point already. -Gladly!

pilgrim

Arizona: Kyl (R)
Indiana: Lugar (R)
Tennessee: Corker (R)
Texas: Hutchison (R)
Utah: Hatch (R)

California: Feinstein (D)
Florida: Nelson (D)
Michigan: Stabenow (D)
Minnesota: Klobuchar (D)
Missouri: McCaskill (D)
Montana: Tester (D)
Nebraska: Nelson (D)
New Jersey: Menendez (D)
New Mexico: Bingaman (D)
New York: Gillibrand (D)
North Dakota: Conrad (D)
Ohio: Brown (D)
Pennsylvania: Casey (D)
Virginia: Webb (D)
Washington: Cantwell (D)
Wisconsin: Kohl (D)

chihank

It will show what a two-faced witch she is.

Any display of political opportunism by Murky only strenghtens Joe Miller.

chbroussard

Disgusted doesn’t even come close to the distain in which I hold these spineless worms. If this is any indication of how they will govern if they take over the Senate, we’re in deep trouble. Our work will not be over until all of these creeps are voted out of office.

mikerazar

Can’t we agree for just 6 weeks, or even until next year, to say and do nothing but support everyone running as a Republican.Then try to unite all sitting republicans to block a lame duck fiasco.

We have a country to save, people. Orrin Hatch is not running now.

No distractions, please.

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how the nominating process works for nominating senate candidates. They’ve already taken out the other Republican In Name Only Utah senator. Hatch will be next. Unless he starts FIGHTING FOR OUR LIBERTIES.

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ColdWarrior, PC (that?s ?precinct committeeman,? not ?political child!?)
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texasgalt

he can survive by continually jabbing conservatives with sharp stick?

As for Hatch, he never got over the loss of his friend in the Senate, alan Simpson. And now his buddy Bennet will be leaving the Senate.

Orrin, we don’t much like you any more. To maintain comity, do the right thing and go back to pretending you are conservative until you retire – You won’t win, again.

fpete13527

The losers on this list….starting with the scum sell out Rs should be trashed ten times a day and thrown out of office yesterday.

acat

leeatmg

Why throw her out? What does it gain except a)revenge and b)lots of headlines about the Republican party tearing itself apart? Hatch is right on one point – she is still a Republican senator – and we only have 41 votes. Why upset the apple cart here when it would gain us nothing and potentially hurt us if she wanted to be vindictive? This purity and revenge crusade has got to end before we end up, not shooting ourselves in the foot, but instead aiming at our own heads instead. Focus on moving the Senate right, electing true conservatives when we can, and don’t waste energy on things that literally will have no impact. Let the thieving, double-crossing piece of Alaskan trash have her committee seat for the next few months – then let Miller have it when he gets elected.

davidabippus

In Texas we already have Michael Williams ready to take over from KBH in 2012. I can’t wait for that. Then we can replace Cornyn in 2014!

acat

not understanding that the ground has shifted under him.

Mew

* Platonic Fold – from the book Black Swans – in short, the point between reality and models of reality where the models are still believed to work but, in fact, give bogus data.

constitutionalconservative

We are going to be much more organized and confident going into 2012, and there are a large collection of RINOs that will make great targets.

constitutionalconservative

He was Ted Kennedy’s BFF. That alone should have caused Utah Republicans to get rid of him years ago. Hopefully, Mike Lee’s win will have emboldened them.

izoneguy

They will have claw and teeth marks on them from the departing RINO’s.

eburke

truly go to war against the Dems, we needed to be able to defeat them with people who weren’t the same ol’ same ol’ go-along to get-along Republicans. That meant we needed to go to war cleaning out our own party first.

This cycle was a good start. But we ain’t nowhere close to being done. This isn’t the beginning of the end…it’s only the end of the beginning.

acat

Do let me know when you can get Lisa Murcowsky to go along.

(just joshin’, I know that’s not what you meant)

Mew

leeatmg

ACU rating of 88 for 2009, lifetime rating at 89. I mean, I could see it if we were talking about Mike Castle here, or someone like the Maine twins, but Hatch is a pretty solid conservative. Maybe no Jim DeMint, but solid.

deano64

caucus next time around. Lord I wish we had the same system here in AZ for choosing our candidates. Maybe someday we will.

constitutionalconservative

I don’t care personally enough about Murkowski to be angry with her– you have to respect someone to be really angry with them when they let you down and I have no respect for Murky.

It’s a question of weakness– it sends a signal to any other incumbent losers that there are no real consequences to not respecting the will of Republican voters.

One doesn’t need to throw a fit about it in public. We should have simply said publicly “Thanks for your service Lisa, but of course, you understand that the Republican caucus can’t support someone who runs against the Republican nominee” And then we should have stripped her of all seniority and kicked her out of the caucus.

Speak softly and carry a big stick.

chbroussard

to vote for Michael Williams. We should have voted Kay out years ago.

chbroussard

to vote for Michael Williams. We should have voted Kay out years ago.

eburke

ACU rating is. He is the walking epitome of entitlement and ruling class elitism. He cares more about comity and ‘maintaining the dignity of the Senate’ than he does governing for the people. And in Utah, there is absolutely no reason for us not to have a Jim DeMint. It’s vies w/Idaho as the most Republican state in the country.

constitutionalconservative

First, the Senator from Utah (arguably just about the most conservative state out there) ought to be closer to 100% ACU then 88%. Secondly, ratings themselves are meaningless– they only measure votes on a pre-set agenda of issues.

Conservatives need leaders (especially in deep Red states like Utah) who set the conservative agenda and define the issues– and are not afraid to play hardball with their opponents. Hatch never does that– he’s a backslapping type who hung out with Ted Kennedy and was never a leader on conservative issues. In a lot of ways he was like Bob Bennett, who also had a decent ACU score.

We need to get rid of these clowns are replace them with Mike Lee-types who will actually set a conservative agenda while providing a more reliable conservative vote.

fideist

“These people do not get it.”

tomato

If she is the type to drop such a threat she is the type to go through with it after an agreement with “gentlemen”. There has been too much effort managing outcomes when the power is truly in the people’s hands.

If and when Miller wins and the GOP goes on a rout, Murkowski will be there grinding her teeth and sticking it to whomever. This isn’t a novel joke, its getting worse by the week. These elitist are becoming unhinged. They think so little of us (little) people they will pass laws the people just rose up against.

eburke

why we have no party discipline.

So…you’re a senator sitting there, watching one of your colleagues blatantly disregard the results of a primary of your party, causing your party to expend extra funds, and your party doesn’t have the cajones to do anything about it.

So you say to yourself: “Well, geez, self; I can’t think of anything much more blatantly in your face to the party than running against our primary winner, and she got away with it. Hell’s bells…if we’re not going to punish someone for that, I can get away with just about anything.”

acat

Right now, Murcowski can use her role as an election issue.

Right now, Murkowsky can use her role to be more damaging.

Right now, Muirkowske has proven that she won’t bow to decorum, won’t accept her loss, and won’t go quietly.

On one paw, the horse has left the barn, why bother? On the other paw, it’s a common complaint that Repubs feel free to wander off the reservation – here’s a golden opportunity for Cornyn to prove he’s got a pair by enforcing some party discipline.

Cornyn won’t do it, though. Murky was one of his favorites. He won’t slam her now, even though he ought to. Says quite a lot about him, actually.

Mew

rdelbov

that people remember Bork-Scalia-Rehnquist-Thomas-Alito-Roberts

alll the work Hatch did on these nominations.

the voting records or accomplishments don’t matter-its their way or the highway.

I think its funny that the Utah convention system is much admired here. Its taking the selection process out of the hands of people and into the hands of the party establishment. Its just that in Utah the new establishment is conservaitve teaparty types.

constitutionalconservative

I might find this sort of argument believable. As it is, they simply have no credibility with me to claim that Murkowski held some sort of blackmail veto over them. It’s a bit of “The Boy who Cried Wolf”, i’m afraid.

ceili_dancer

n/t

Scope

Are you saying that voters, who vote in or out incumbents, based on their records, shouldn’t vote out incumbents, because they will come back and threaten to vote with the Democrats if they lose their primaries? I’m having a problem with that line of reasoning.

They were not re-elected because of their history of voting for Democrat legislation, especially on the many of the big items. Whatever would stop them from voting the same way in a lame duck session? Chances are slim for Murky to win as an Independent, and as pissed as she was with not winning the R primary, she will be doubly pissed when she is not elected once again. She painted herself into a box, and, it is really important to note who is backing her treachery, and, to make hey of the idea that it is all about keeping power, rather than what is right for the Republican party. This is exactly what the Tea Partiers, and Conservatives are screaming against- the cronyism within both parties.

leeatmg

…that’s a fair statement – a state like Utah should have Senators that represent the state, and in Utah’s case, it makes sense that Hatch isn’t conservative enough. Point taken.

I’m concerned with the larger issues here – that, approaching what may be the greatest conservative triumph since the election of Ronald Reagan, we’re getting so rabid that we’re willing to make tactical mistakes out of fury, revenge, or overconfidence. I’d much rather see all this anger with Murkowski translated into donations for Miller (which I’m doing after I finish this) than see us lose sight of the larger picture. Being angry with Hatch for being polite, and trying to smooth a few feathers, doesn’t help our cause, and makes us look petty to the very people who we are trying to court and get to the polls this fall. We want a clear conservative message, and conservative senators elected, but a large part of the electorate is closer to the middle. To get our guys (and gals!) elected, we need to convince those in the middle that we we deserve to be in power again, and we won’t do that looking petty and vengeful when it doesn’t serve a practical purpose. Might we look weak to other potential traitors in the Republican party? Sure. That might be better than looking like radical, hateful, and vengeful people. We need to focus on the goal – getting conservatives elected.

acat

The firm of HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C. has made quite a bit of hay out of the relationship between Brent Hatch and his daddy Orrin.

Mew

mikerazar

But the only thing we can do is to work as hard as we can for every Republican party nominee. At least not work against any.

Can you think of any words more likely to instill fear and loathing in the left than “Senator Angle, Senator O’Donnell, Senator Miller, Senator Rubio, etc.” and the sheer joy in our hearts as minority leader Pelosi has to fly coach back to SF.

blacktrain

2010-One of us, or one of them?

2012-Trample the weak, hurdle the dead, take no prisoners.

Acta non verba, the Sons of Liberty will ride!

acat

And we have to remember that party discipline is not a bad thing.

Mew

constitutionalconservative

He’s done a few good things, and he’s good a the backslapping, behind-closed-doors part of being a Senator.

But we desperately need is someone who can make the public and unapologetic case for conservatism– and we especially need that from our politically safest Senators. Hatch fails that test completely.

As for the Utah process, I am in favor of it, with reservations– I think it’s good that a committed minority of voters who are actually paying attention (not sure I would categorize approx. 3000 elected delegates from an open-vote caucus as “insiders”) can exercise leverage over incumbents. I’m less wild about a few of the other particulars of the Utah process. But on balance, particularly in conservative states, it’s an asset that keeps incumbents accountable.

acat

Otherwise, by 2018, 2020 at the outside, we’ll be back here again.

Mew

chbroussard

to have to work as hard as we can for TWO Republicans in Alaska.

constitutionalconservative

And I’m not angry with Hatch for trying to say something polite. It’s because I think he actually doesn’t get it. He’s not being tactical when he says nice stuff about Murky here– I think he genuinely doesn’t get how far Murky has gone off the reservation.

I’m not going to waste too much time on Hatch now– but on November 4th. . .

texasgalt

and we Texans have the message loud and clear. Big John you are dead to us. 2014, come quickly.

mikerazar

But once they are defrocked as republican nominees we have no control for the next two months. She is not chairman of her committee and she has one vote in the Senate. Maybe being nice to her will keep her from exacting revenge; maybe it won’t. I just see no benefit to punitive action right now. As to deterring future lame ducks, I think defeat in a primary is about as tough a punishment as one can inflict on an incumbent. Since she is running as an independent, we should work as hard as we can for the true Republican in the race.

I’ll keep repeating until the moderators stop me….We have a nation to save, people.

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Dave_in_Fla

I’m just pointing out that in the this instance, both Bob Bennett and Lisa Murkowski have a lot of leverage to get away with temper tantrums when the will of the people is expressed.

We have a razor thin edge right now to keep Cap and Trade from passing the Senate. Once the vulnerable Dems go down in November (e.g. Lincoln) they have no incentive to vote against it. We have to depend on 42 senators (assuming Kirk wins and is seated immediately, and O’Donnell doesn’t win) to hold a filibuster. Kirk already voted for C&T in the House.

Given the sense of entitlement Murkoski has shown to date, I could see her agreeing to support C&T if there is some quid pro quo in the future. As we are about to see with Obamacare, it is a lot easier to stop a bill from becoming law than to repeal it.

This is a problem we have right now at this point in history where a single defection can have dramatic consequences. If we had 45 senators, then threats by Murkowski would be much more empty.

I just don’t see the point of screaming about how we are going to primary Hatch at this point. She gets to keep her seat until January, no matter how much of an ass she acts.

As for Hatch in 2012? I think I will wait to see how he performs AFTER January, rather than basing my opinion on his actions between now and November 2nd.

StandardCandle

Utahn’s would still have picked Mike Lee…

You need not worry. Utah is generally Conservative in the primary, Republican in the General.

IJB

If Burr did that, he’d probably bump his ratings by about 10% in NC – I know *I’d* be more likely to vote for somebody who did a gutsy move this.

But they are sticking the thumb in the eye of Richard Burr with this – he should resign the caucus over this. Hopefully, DeMint and Coburn and a few others follow Burr out the door.

Moves like this make a GOP leadership fight after Nov. *more* likely, not less.

Tbone

Has been for a long time. With this act he proves himself a traitor to the Party. I hope Miller pisses on his leg instead of shaking his hand come January

StandardCandle

Dave_in_Fla

As I said, it is a rumor. Take it with a grain of salt.

As for “they simply have no credibility with me to claim that Murkowski held some sort of blackmail veto over them”, I find that statement to be kind of silly. She does have blackmail veto over them. It isn’t a claim, it is a fact. She has 1 vote in a Senate caucus where 1 vote can allow any Democrat legislation to pass.

Does anything in her recent behavior lead you to believe that any threat she makes to act irrationally will be tempered by her demonstrated record of prudence?

IJB

Talk to anybody from UT around here – they all want him gone. Ditto Lugar in IN.

The difference is, in UT they have a system where it’s a lot more doable to remove people like Hatch.

My guess is Hatch will see the writing on the wall, and choose not to run again.

Luagr, OTOH, will probably have to be removed kicking and screaming – I just hope IN Republicans are working on getting the best candidate possible to send Dick Lugar into retirement.

saintgeorgegentile

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saintgeorgegentile

then you’ll understand why he has to go. One of the most arrogant, egotistical people I have ever met.

johnCV

in 2012 against Webb. Jimmy webb only won by a few thousand votes (all in heavily democrat NoVA of course) in 2006. Having his head firmly ensconced in Buraq Obama’s posterior for the past 2 years (and reid’s prior to that), has not endeared him to the local rabble.

Allen would soundly thrash him if he decides to run.

Dave_in_Fla

I live in Florida. I’m personally doing my part to get two RINOs out of the Senate (Crist and his appointee) and replace them with Rubio. But if the good people of Utah feel that they can do better than Hatch, more power too them.

ericc

on DeMint for president in 2012, but if he thinks he does not want to run, Minority/Majority leader would be a fine spot for him.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

He’s just horrible, and a team player for the Democrats, on big government tech and copyright issues.

Orrin Hatch is a hatchet damaging American innovation.

constitutionalconservative

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/22/unreal-senate-gop-decides-not-to-strip-murkowski-of-seniority-on-energy-committee-after-all/

“If Murkowski somehow let them know that she?d vote Democratic in the lame-duck if they stripped her of Energy seniority ? I?m not saying she did, but if ? then the caucus should reveal that to the world so that fencesitting Republicans in Alaska know exactly what kind of snake they?re dealing with here. It?s amazing to me that they were promising to boot her yesterday and, 24 hours later, suddenly they?ve reversed themselves and don?t want to talk about it. Spill it.”

And again, It’s totally unclear to me how we have any leverage over Murkowski in a lame duck situation if she loses her seat. You don’t give sources for your “rumor” so I don’t find any reason to find it credible, given the characters involved, and given the closeness of McConnell and Murkowski. Occam’s Razor suggests that in the absence of other evidence, assuming that the leadership is behaving like political hacks is a far more plausible scenario than that they were terrified by a credible Murkowski threat– one that she won’t be able to carry out post-election.

tacoslayer

Yes….absolutely changes need to be made.

But “resigning the caucus” is political seppuku.

Finrod

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joecollins

need to grow a pair.

chbroussard

that Mike Castle might be considering a write-in candidacy. Well, if Lisa can do it with no repurcussions, why can’t Mike? Yet another circular firing squad by spineless Republicans.

Scope

If it wasn’t so sad, and destructive, I would want to laugh at Webb for his constant votes with the Progressives, and, now his state, our state VA. is facing the closure of the base in Norfolk. How’s that payback feeling for ya lately Jimmy Webb. George Allen will crush him like a bug in 2012. Webb got in on the Democrat wave, and, he will go down with the Republican wave.

Doc Holliday

Mayhem

He’s probably the most liberal senator outside of the Maine Twins.

IJB

If the GOP Senate leadership is so chicken[...] that they’ll cave to threats from Murk., let’s see how they respond when 10-20 GOP Senates threaten to walk from the caucus.

(Note – I’m not suggesting that these guys say that they’ll vote for Dem legislation. I’m just saying that they should publicly announce that they’ll stop taking orders from the GOP Senate leadership until after the election if they fail to follow through on booting Murk…)

eburke

said upthread that I don’t give a whit what his voting record is. You summed it up perfectly “One of the most arrogant, egotistical people I have ever met.” His ‘standing’ in the ‘world’s greatest deliberative body’ means a helluva lot more to him than the peasants he ‘represents’ in UT.

Lived there for 8 years. Can’t. Stand. The. Man.

pauly1620

It is precisely this sort of “ruling class” attitude that gave birth to the Tea Party in the first place. Sen. Hatch obviously believes that he is better than us, the regular citizens, a.k.a. his bosses. If this isn’t a reason for term limits then I don’t know what is.

cactusjack

By that I mean Hatch has overstayed his time and ideally should be taken gently by the hand and led to pasture, with thanks for the fight he fought in different times. If that were possible. You may not believe this but he was a conservative warrior on that Senate Judiciary Committee in all those hearings – sparring with Biden, Kennedy and Leahy, often alone, as ranking member. Do you like Justice Thomas where he is today? Thank Hatch in large part. Do you like Oliver North where he is today (not in jail)? Thank Hatch, read North’s book. Do you like Alito & Roberts in place.? Ditto. He has grown feeble in will to fight on, he must be tired from the many valiant fights. But it is what it is. Primaried or conventioned if necessary it is time for him to go and new blood to step up.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/bdpaasch Brian Paasch

I expect she’ll do very well in the next few years. She’ll likely move over to the Lobbyist gig and she’ll be warmly welcomed in the halls of Congress by Dems and Rinos.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/bdpaasch Brian Paasch

IMO, and this is just my opinion, we don’t even have 41.

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150267541595402&id=100000199471939&ref=mf

http://www.linkedin.com/in/bdpaasch Brian Paasch

YES! Please, someone, take Lugar, offer him a job on K Street. And I offer my deepest and sincere apologies for Coats.

Jack_Savage

Alaska voters would be forgiven if they thought – “Geez – they think she might win. I think I’ll write her in.” It helps her campaign – don’t think she won’t use this – and hurts Millers. Period.

calgacus

The goal is to eliminate the present establishment and replace it with a good one. There is no universal best system. The best system is the one that nominates our candidates.

Read Chesterton

else she’d have NOTHING to bring to the party… her, ahem.. advisors would know this.

takemccain2

They are gutless, spineless, ball-less, issuers of threats that never follow through on them and that is why their own voters and the Democrats NEVER take them seriously.

I can’t wait for the opportunity to donate money in the next primary when Hatch is running, same for Cornyn, Gramnesty, Corker, McConnell and Alexander.

I am so sick of this shit! Either stick by your guns and do what you said you would do or get the f*** out of politics because the arena of politics is about WINNING. If you aren’t in this to win then quit your bold-faced lying and go the hell home.

The Senate GOP makes me want to puke!!!

SteveLA

All this talk of doing something to Murkowski as a sitting R. Senator sure sounds neat, but what does it do to the ability of R’s to stop the Democrats from doing stupid stuff between November and January when new Senators are seated? She’s not going to resign to give the seat to Miller, and her vote will be needed to stop Democrat madness and mischief.

I’ve got no problem with shunning her, ignoring her, giving her a wedgie (Ok so they probably don’t do that in the Senate), but November to January is going to be a very touchy twitchy period. We need all the help, even of those R’s. being thrown out, to stop Democrats from doing bad stuff during that period.

jenniferjmilleresq

on this one. I have to agree that as more and more Americans engage, 2012 primaries will be much worse for him and his buddies than 2010. I only wish our Senator Graham were up in 2012, but it will take a couple or few elections to clean up the (R) house.

David123

http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

What is happening now has been building for a long time and is about much more than who’s more or less ‘pure’ or the like. Lifetimes of work and sacrifice have been lost thanks to deliberate actions of our elected representatives. In the private sector that could be called a crime. They and their lobbyists want to stay on the gravy train so say we are ‘rabid,’ ‘angry,’ and perhaps even Christian, the tried and true Alinsky method. The story line should be about our incredibly weak elected officials who couldn’t care less about what they have already done to this country. The global warming scam, for example, is not a political issue but most of them have sat back and allowed it to be defined as such.

takemccain2

If you claim you are going to act and remove someone and then sissy out at the last minute just to be nice, then you aren’t serious about anything you promise.

This is one of the main reasons the Senate GOP leadership is so hated by the base. Count me among them.

SteveLA

November to January Murkowski will still be there.

Doc Holliday

she has shown she is all about herself, I think she is more likely to screw with Republicans as help them.

Doc Holliday

I am glad help is on the way.

takemccain2

She is effectively not a Republican anymore except on paper. She has no reason to vote with the minority on anything so why not go ahead an remove her? She can just as easily vote against her colleagues now so wait put it off?

This is a huge tactical blunder. The only good that came from it is that I donated more $ to the tea party candidates. The Senate GOP leadership has no guts and just lies to the base. Why have we supported these clowns for so long?

SteveLA

Even if you don’t like the fact, Murkowski is a US Senator until January. Loyalty, no loyalty she may be asked to vote to stop Democrat plans to cram things through after the election and every vote will count.

Spite is one thing, and pushing people into being spiteful is not real smart when they have a vote in the US Senate, even as a limited time offer.

blooch

[the Republicans load their guns and point them at Murky. Murky then points her own pistol at her head]

Murkowski: [low voice] Hold it! Next man makes a move, the Senator gets it!

Hatch: Hold it, men. She’s not bluffing.

Corker: Listen to her, men. She’s just crazy enough to do it!

Murky: [low voice] Drop it! Or I swear I’ll blow Murky’s head all over this town!

Murky: [high-pitched voice] Oh, lo’dy, lo’d, she’s desp’it! Do what she say, do what she say!

[Republicans drop their guns. Murky jams the gun into her neck and drags herself through the crowd towards the Energy Committee meeting]

Hutchison: Isn’t anybody going to help that poor woman?

Hatch: Hush, Hutch!! That’s a sure way to get her killed!

Murky: [high-pitched voice] Oooh! He’p me, he’p me! Somebody he’p me! He’p me! He’p me! He’p me!

Murky: [low voice] Shut up!

[Murky places her hand over her own mouth, then drags herself through the door into the Energy Committee meeting]

Murky: Ooh, baby, you are so talented!

[looks into the camera]

Murky: And they are so *dumb*!

Vannek

I just saw a news blurb that says Mike Castle is thinking about a write-in campaign like Murkowski’s. O’Donnell and Smith were duly elected in their states’ primaries. Time to suck it up Lisa and Mike and move on. The GOP had better reign these people in, or it’s going to start look like the splintering faction of petulant, entitled losers.

takemccain2

running a write-in campaign against her own party. Removing her isn’t being spiteful, just smart. She has already shown she is unreliable and can’t be loyal when her needs are eclipsed by the greater good.

Bottom line, you don’t reward someone who is doing what she is doing. By leaving her in a position of power the Senate GOP will only embolden her toy with them and bolt from them if/when she doesn’t get her way.

Again, tactically stupid is how I would asses what the Senate GOP did.

callawyn

The Dems have already telegraphed their intention of passing a bunch of crap in the lame duck session, and have 59 votes. That puts Murkowski in the cat-bird seat. If the price Hatch just payed to keep her voting no on Cloture until she’s out of office was this announcement and decision to not strip her of her seniority on committees, well then so be it. I can’t really blame him for it, its a small enough price to pay considering she has him over the barrel.

Yeah, she’s vile and must and will go, and don’t mistake me for a Hatch supporter, but in this case I can’t really see how he had much choice.

BTW, this is exactly why RINO’s like Castle should have their careers ended. The most liberal R’s in the Senate, the crucial votes for cloture, tend to be in a position to call the shots.

callawyn

The next two cycles each see twice as many D seats as R up for reelection, and many of those D seats are in Red or Purple states.

Question: Is any progress being made on R primary rules in various states? At a minimum there should be a push to make them all CLOSED primaries, for party members only. Otherwise we’ll have the same problem we usually have, with the most liberal R being our presidential nominee.

saintgeorgegentile

on a temporary basis to somewhere in UT-2, Philpot could use the vote. I’m afraid that Matheson has a lot of people buffaloed.

deano64

I guess you and I and all the other AZ Precinct Committeeman need to make it happen here too. I bet we would have quite a fight on our hands. What do you say?

http://www.laborunionreport.com LaborUnionReport

;(

itrytobenice

The whole list. But especially McCaskill. She is an embarrassment to our state.

audax

Too bad Senate Republicans still aren’t listening…I guess it will take a peplay of 2010 in 2012…..SLAP Marco Rubio, SLAP SLAP Pat Toomey, SLAP SLAP SLAP Rand Paul, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Ken Buck, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Susan Angle, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Joe Miller, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Christine O’Donnell. NOW THEY STILL DON’T GET IT!!!! Who wil get SLAPPED in 2012?

In 2010 (and 2012) we want LIBERTY candidates not TYRANNY candidates! We don’t want the people who allowed the soft tyranny Dems who tell us which light bulbs to use, which toilet to flush, what to eat, blah, blah, blah in office. Just leave us alone! I CAN SEE NOVEMBER FROM MY HOUSE!!!!!

audax

Get rid of Murkowski at Energy! She is NOT a Republican as evidenced by her actions since the primary election. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING??? Where is her respect for the GOP primary voters of Alaska? Hey! comity is a two way street! If you don’t get it yet, this is what we did to RINO candidates in 2010….Too bad Cornyn wasn’t listening when the primary season began, too bad Cornyn wasn’t listening all through the primary season. It took SLAP Marco Rubio, SLAP SLAP Pat Toomey, SLAP SLAP SLAP Rand Paul, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Ken Buck, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Susan Angle, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Joe Miller, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Christine O’Donnell. What took Cornyn so long? All that will earn Cornyn a primary opponent in Texas. better get right with the TEA parties or it’s YOUR turn! We want LIBERTY candidates not TYRANNY candidates! We don’t want the people who allowed the soft tyranny RINO’s and Dems who tell us which light bulbs to use, which toilet to flush, what to eat, blah, blah, blah. I CAN SEE NOVEMBER FROM MY HOUSE! Now 2012 is starting to look clearer too!

audax

….rules” starts in each of our own States. It starts with you and all your like minded friends and family becoming ELECTED Precinct Committeemen. It Starts by getting on the RULES Committee, Candidate Selection Committee, or Executive Committee and voting for each other or like minded conservative-nouns as delegates to, District, State and National Conventions. Go Get ‘Em Tiger!!

etexfisherman48

Who the Tea Party Should Target

The people and organizations listed below are the ones we must dismantle if we want a chance to remain free by restoring America to her roots. These senators below are just a listing of Republicans that must go. It goes without saying the Democrats have to go because they have proven their anti-American activities with the laws they have passed under the supervision of the communist in the White House that brings us under subjection to their whims.
Orrin Hatch (RINO), Richard Lugar (Law of the Sea Treaty sponsor) Kay Hutchinson (steering committee of Bilderberger Group) John McCain, (McCain Feingold Campaign Finance, Amnesty Immigration policy) Lindsey Graham (Amnesty Supporter that called Americans names for rejecting amnesty) Susan Collins (RINO) Oympia Snow (RINO) Mitch McConnell (RINO) John Cornyn (RINO) Corker (RINO) Voinovich (RINO) all need to go. Come to think of it every incumbent needs to be fired both Republican and Democrat. We must have born again filled with the spirit of God men with backbone to dismantle government and return it to “we the people”. A new body that will go after Barak Hussein Obama a communist, David Rockefeller (billionaire communist and outspoken proponent of one-world government system), George Soros (billionaire communist and outspoken proponent of one-world government system), Peter Lewis (billionaire communist and financial supporter of communism), Zbignew Brezinsky (one-world government advocate and tutored Obama), Bill Clinton liar and traitor (sold China military secrets for campaign money, destroyed American economy with NAFTA and Community Re-investment Act) Henry Kissinger, George Bush Senior and Junior all part of one-world government cabal, the Bilderberger Group, Federal Reserve, Tri-lateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, EPA and their Agenda 21 property rights grab, ACLU, La Raza, Ford, Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundation, Apollo Group, throw the U.N. out of America, defund it and any other entity that is determined to undermine the constitution of the United States and bring “we the people” under their bondage.
Note: We should go especially hard on the billionaires above because they got their wealth in a capitalist system not the system they want to impose on the rest of us.
We must bring back manufacturing to the U.S. by abolishing NAFTA, which will strengthen the Middle-Class and drill for oil by eliminating the communist EPA and ACLU (American Communist Law Usurpers). This idea of redistributing the wealth is code for bringing Americans to third world status sucks and we ain?t gonna put up with it come hell or high water.
Now if you have any questions about the above you don?t have to read a 400 to 500 page book to learn about these. The information is on the internet at least for now and has been for a while.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

we then hold the House, Senate and Presidency. Only then can we repeal ObamaDem legislation, other liberal laws since the 30s and start repairing the damage. All we can do until then is stop the bleeding.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

target ALL senators that will not make public statements that they favor stripping Murkowski of all committee assignments and the key to executive washrooms?

BTW, does anyone know if their is a provision of Senate rules to have her censured or expelled for going write-in? Does Alaska law allow for her to be re-called?

Should we spend all our time attacking our own between the just-passed Autumnal equinox and Election day? Just asking…smile

I’m going to attack the Dems on orders from a persistent cuss of an editor…

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

took over as ranking Member on the Judiciary Committee.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

at least 22 (a majority) must be and shouldn’t we conduct a witch hunt and demand that senators declare themselves or be assumed to be same?

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

see also other comments upthread re flushing out ALL, not just Hatch.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

those clients are never happy even after trial court victories because there remains problems in their world…smile…but true

Oz

2010 — Take back the house.
2012 — Take back the White House and the Senate
2014 to 2020 — Finish kicking out the ones that don’t get it

Oz

when she comes back.

And that’s probably all that it took.

davesinsanantonio

there haven’t been that many real conservatives running for office. The majority of the electorate are much more conservative than we give them credit for, or that they may even realize.
Our problem has been that too many of our candidates have put party above principle, and that gives those in the middle no reason to vote for our candidates. What we need to do is decide once a for all what our core principles are. Then we must logically explain those principles to all. Then we must find candidates who will not only run on those principles, but will govern by those principles when elected. Then we must keep a sharp eye on them to make sure they are not seduced over to the dark side of politics ( where the only principle is getting reelected ). And, replace them in the primaries if they are so seduced.
Understand, there is nothing “tactical” about this. It is all strategic, and of survival importance. If our strategy is solid, the tactics will take care of themselves. If we have, and actually stand up for, correct principles, we will always be in the majority–even if some “Slick Willy” wins an election or two. If it ever happens that the majority of Americans no longer support correct principles then this country is doomed anyway, no matter who wins the elections.

pgrossjr

I get that they get to be friends during their time on the Hill (another argument for term limits), but friends don’t stab you in the back. Murky was the one who didn’t play by the rules. Turning the other cheek in politics just gets you slapped in the face again as those like Hatch, McCain and Graham should realize by now.

oldmarine

Sen.Hatch has lost his way, living with the beltway elite is the catalyst that ruins good men like Orrin .The good people of Utah are smart and too conservative to forget his dalliance with the swimmer,etc !

davesinsanantonio

LOL!

davesinsanantonio

don’t have a pair between them!

davesinsanantonio

Hilarious! Well done!

davesinsanantonio

is to make sure they lose in the general election, are never welcomed into the party again, that any candidate they endorse or support is never elected, when they become lobbyists they are never welcomed or listened to (and their cause is never successful). It will take a while for it all to sink in, but if it is done completely to every such turncoat, then the message will eventually be absorbed by every politician and behind-the-scenes political manipulator, and such treasonous behavior will be abandoned.

indyjohn

but he’s no conservative, either. When he first went to D. C., he was, by the standards of the time, pretty far to the right. But living in our lovely capital and breathing its exclusive, elitist air has altered his brain function. He has become a moderate – one of those disgusting creatures with his nose constantly in the air, sniffing the political winds and following the strongest scent. He is predisposed to vote the establishment line, but will alter his position if the voters of Indiana beat loudly enough on his door.
I would call Lugar reliably unreliable. He is one of those politicians who thinks of his position in the Senate before he thinks of his constituents. And unfortunately, he seems to be showing signs of having Robert Byrd disease, an affliction that causes the sufferer to cling desperately to his job, contrary to his own or his constituents’ interests. The cure?
Marlin Stutzman in 2012!

edintexas

She’s a Murkowski. Daddy gave her the job and she’s entitled to it for life. How could the hoi polloi even consider firing her. It must be that the dastardly Miller stole the election from the Alaskan people (solely represented in her person).

minncon

… they see the defeated incumbents as members of THEIR Republican party, only in exile. They don’t believe this throw-em-out tidal wave is real, just as something ginned up by the right-wing crazies in their party.

Hence, when they continue to play nice with people like Murkywowski, they see it as supporting “one of their own” – the REAL Republicans.

gumbeaux

No more mailings or phone calls for donations. RSCC is a joke and more part of the problem than part of the solution. You don’t own the Tea Party! The Tea Party owns your candidates with their own candidates and you are losing the battle.

Tbone

ihateliberals

the GOP will go the way of the Whigs it replaced. They have to learn to listen to the people and not what they want for a personal agenda. they have to learn that it really is “We the people”. I use to think that Mr. Hatch had some integrity. He is a member of my church and is obligated to tell the truth and to stand up for America. I don’t think Orrin has gotten it yet. we the people are SICK TO DEATH of RINO’s in the party. Orrin of your truly are a RINO then the only thing I have to say to you is GET OUT! Murkowski is a whiny sore loser and if left in her position and still doing the write-in candidacy she can further hurt the party and maybe even cost the party a seat. What the Hades is wrong with the Party. You would think by now that they would see that we are tired of the way they are conducting business. I just want to SCREAM at them.

eburke

they still think he’s just like Scott Matheson (his dad) who was about as close to a conservative D as you can get.

I *do* miss the mountains, that’s for sure

gunslingr45

GREAT does this mean we are going after Lugar (RINO IN) also?
If it does count me in!!!

pantera

if theres a clean sweep in the conservative senate seats this cycle maybe the rhinos will ”see the tide receding” and prepare for the constitutional tsunami that will just continue to come ashore.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

ribeye

Tbone

Bone in or bone out?

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

renny

and railing against the Rep. establishment that has all the resources of a mature organization with all its power in place will not get us anywhere without a change in pres.

http://www.rightklik.net rightklik

“Five Republicans stand out as being especially far below the line ? that is, they are more liberal than you would typically expect a Republican from their state to be. The list includes George V. Voinovich of Ohio, who is retiring, and Richard G. Lugar of Indiana, along with Mr. Hatch. And, sure enough, we also see Ms. Murkowski and Mr. Bennett.”

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/01/in-targeting-murkowski-tea-party-chooses-wisely/

Flagstaff

sounds good to me. We shouldn’t allow a lame duck Congress to commit mischief after the election.

It would have to be late enough to allow recounts. When were Gore’s finally exhausted? Not as big a problem with congress critters of either type.

(I know this would require a change to the 20th amendment.)

chabsentia

No more money to the GOP. If you want to support a certain candidate then support them directly. The GOP does not get it. Murkowski and now Castle as well as Crist in Florida will do everything they can for power even if it means letting the Democrat win in November. We dont have to fear the Tax Enough Already people. It is the Rinos who want to hold on to power no matter the consequences. The decision to allow Murkowski to keep her post as long as she is a Senator and to use it as a write in candidate is inexcusable.

The next time you get a letter from the GOP asking for a donation then sent it back with nothing and tell thm they will get nothing unitl they remove these people that lost in the Primary and insist on running as a write-in.

Now many in Alaska will think they have a better chance of going with Murkowski who will retain her position.

lineholder

but we have to wait until 2014.

momofthecastle

But not in 2012. Not yet. Let him finish what he has started in the Senate.

Besides, we know what happens when we take a Senator and put him in the White House before his time….

momofthecastle

As I have been telling friends for a year now, this election is only the beginning; our Lexington and Concord, if you will. Even 2014 will not end it, in my opinion. We will have to stay diligent, and teach our children to stay diligent.

powertothepeople

Steve, but at the same time, we should not have to coddle anyone in order for them to stand for the principles they claim to have.

Lisa has two choices, well really three. She can accept the will of the people, continue to do her job the way she should do it, and in 2 or 4 years, she can look to run again for some office and will still have the respect of the people and the party.

She can show her ass, continue on this write in campaign, get pissy and screw the party and her people during any votes that may come up and it will cause any future political ambitions to be shot to hell. Her write in campaign is pushing her awful close to that point already. Let it cost the republicans a win in a few days and her future is over as a republican and most likely over even as a dem or independent.

Three, she can call it quits in politics and pick up some high pay job in a company that she has benefited and move on.

No matter what she chooses, no way we should coddle her or walk on eggshells around her. With this write in campaign she has already shown she cares less about her constituents than she does her own drive and agenda. If she chooses to further damage the party, let her and then the party needs to kick her in the teeth and make sure her days in politics are over.Easy as that!

RS

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