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Perhaps the Most Ridiculous Thing to Come Out of Washington Since George McClellan

A+ Rhetoric. C- Ideas.

The House Republicans’ “Pledge to America” is out. A thrill will run up the leg of a few Chris Matthews’ types on the right. As Dan noted on Twitter, the Contract with America was 869 words and this is 21 pages. The Contract told you everything you needed to know about how a Republican Congress would be different from a Democrat Congress after 40 years of Democrat control.

These 21 pages tell you lots of things, some contradictory things, but mostly this: it is a serious of compromises and milquetoast rhetorical flourishes in search of unanimity among House Republicans because the House GOP does not have the fortitude to lead boldly in opposition to Barack Obama.

I have one message for John Boehner, Eric Cantor, and the House GOP Leadership: If they do not want to use the GOP to lead, I would like to borrow it for a time.

Yes, yes, it is full of mom tested, kid approved pablum that will make certain hearts on the right sing in solidarity. But like a diet full of sugar, it will actually do nothing but keep making Washington fatter before we crash from the sugar high.

It is dreck — dreck with some stuff I like, but like Brussels sprouts in butter. I like the butter, not the Brussels sprouts. Overall, this grand illusion of an agenda that will never happen is best spoken of today and then never again as if it did not happen. It is best forgotten.

The pledge begins by lamenting “an arrogant and out-of-touch government of self-appointed elites” issuing “mandates”, then proceeds to demand health care mandates on insurance companies that will drive up the costs of health care for ordinary Americans.

The plan wants to put “government on the path to a balanced budget” without doing anything substantive. There is a promise to “immediately reduce spending” by cutting off stimulus funds. Wow. Exciting.

There is a plan to cut Congress’s budget, which is pretty much what was promised in 1994. Seriously? In 4 years did the Democrats really blow up the Congressional budget? No — the GOP did that too.

There is no call for a Spending Limitation Amendment or a Balanced Budget Amendment. It is just meaningless stuff the Democrats can easily undo and that ultimately the Senate GOP will even turn its nose up at.

The entirety of this Promise is laughable. Why? It is an illusion that fixates on stuff the GOP already should be doing while not daring to touch on stuff that will have any meaningful longterm effects on the size and scope of the federal government.

This document proves the GOP is more focused on the acquisition of power than the advocacy of long term sound public policy. All the good stuff in it is stuff we expect them to do. What is not in it is more than a little telling that the House GOP has not learned much of anything from 2006.

I will vote Republican in November of 2010. But I will not carry their stagnant water.

COMMENTS

  • justfedup

    They just don’t get it!!!!!!!!!! Not stripping Murkowski & now this lame excuse for toliet paper. Repeal & replace obamacare? Are you kidding me? Sorry Rush, 2012 will be time for a 3rd Party or a real revolution.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I thought Sarah Palin settled this matter.

  • avgjo

    Right now, we’re all too busy with not only our regular lives, but getting out the vote, donating, all that good stuff in preparation for Nov. 2.

    BUT

    If I’ve said it once here, I’ve said it 100 times; we MUST keep a load of fire under these jerks’ tails. I believe in vote Republican in the general, and all that good stuff, but at the end of the day, I am worried about one thing: will my elected representative work towards the goals of small government and restoring liberties that I am preoccupied with?

    The first battle against the Dems has been long, exhausting and with mixed results. The next battle will be just as long and exhausting, but we have more control over the results. We must take the appropriate action. Nov 3 will be a day of relaxation and enjoyment, but Nov 4 with be right back to work. Lame-duck, warnings to our own people about how we expect x, y and z. all that good stuff.

    Maybe we should give our own contract to these jerks and demand the fulfillment of the same.

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    “This document proves the GOP is more focused on the acquisition of power than the advocacy of long term sound public policy.”

    If the GOP implements sound public policy then they will be guaranteed power. Do they not see this? Instead they want to acquire power and then fritter it away by failing to implement sound policy.

    Seems as simple as 2+2 to me.

  • Doc Holliday

    this thing sucks. They did not say anything at all really, and that is WORSE than actually saying nothing at all.

  • Scope

    I’ve been trying to say for months. As soon as I knew Cantor was a part of this, I knew it would be nothing more than Big Government, and big power for the Republicans, as long as it is done by the Republicans, and not Obama, and the progressives. I live in Cantor’s district, and, again, I promise you, he is not well liked or respected in these parts. Where is this being promoted- in a Virginia hardware store, and, I promise, Cantor will do all he can to get his mug in front of the cameras. Sadly, I feel exonerated.

  • SteveLA

    Erick

    I haven’t taken the time to read the document yet, but in your view what is missing in specific terms?

    I’m a big fan of a Line Item Veto that will pass Constitutional tests, don’t know how you do that, but really would like to see something about that item.

  • Scope

    he was correct in advising that any Republican leading in their races for November, should denounce this piece of garbage. I see this as a slap to the face of the Tea Parties.

  • grandma

    It is obvious that those who were holding the pen, are not from the country class. They are ruling class wannabees. This is totally disheartening. If they aren’t ruling class wannabees, then they must be beholding to the won, or blackmailed.

    This “pledge” is about as inspiring as the stew in our septic holding tank. I’m sure all the undecideds and the people who know there’s little difference between the Rs & Ds will run right out and vote for the Rs because of their inane pledge. Yep, it’s drek (the Yiddish meaning).

    I will also vote Republican, because I know our candidate for Rep from Indiana (Mark Leyva) is home grown, grassroots and tea party all the way.

  • http://seekingliberty.wordpress.com fmaidment

    …for a third party if we conservatives take the party back!

    Get involved, and not just in election years. Start taking your elected leaders and your county party to task for supporting garbage like this. The GOP works from the ground-up, if we choose to take on the challenge.

  • Bill S

    I will vote Republican in November of 2010. But I will not carry their stagnant water.

    I bolded the pertinent statement, in case you missed it (again).

    No third party talk. Period.

  • http://www.laborunionreport.com LaborUnionReport

    to beat them over the head with for the next 40 days?

    Movin’ on.

  • justfedup

    I didn’t see anything about limiting government to “18″ Enumerated powers or a Balanced Budget Amendment. If they really want to “win” back our trust & show that they get it, their “Pledge” would have substance not fluff. This isn’t taking a stand at all. Going back to “pre-stimulus” spending isn’t going to stop an economic nightmare only delay it.

  • http://www.ArchitecturalShots.com mdyou

    …sugar-coating things. Say what you think!

    Years ago, my wife and I arrived at her first husband’s new digs to pick up her son. The digs weren’t deluxe, but it was an improvement over his van.

    When the Democrat sperm-donor brought my step-son to the car, the boy was so excited. “Mommy, I just watched The Disney Channel!”

    My wife looked incredulously at her ex, and asked, “You mean you have cable?”

    “Can you believe it? I’m movng up!” replied the proud dad.

    “So when are you going to get a phone?” asked Mom.

    Dad replied stoically “One miracle at a time”.

    Let’s keep our eye on the prize Erick. One miracle at a time.

  • Dave_in_Fla

    I like this document, they don’t over reach. That was the problem with the 1994 Contract with America, it was over reach and none of it was implemented. Let me quote you for a second…

    “Spending Limitation Amendment or a Balanced Budget Amendment”

    When was the last time an amendment was ratified by the states? I’m pretty sure it hasn’t been in your lifetime.

    They make some low level, smart pledges that are in the realm of the possible, rather than shooting for the moon and disappointing everyone once again. This lets them bank some capital and the voters let them take the training wheels off and make a dent on real reform.

    Or we could try the Obama method of promising unicorns that poop Skittles, but that hasn’t worked out too well for the left.

    All in all, I think they hit the perfect pitch with this one. It gives just the ammunition to get those candidates your worked so hard for against the establishment, what they need to make it to 50+1.

    Oh well, I can see I am in the minority here, since I’d rather focus on actually reaching a conservative majority in the future, rather than complaining that a party platform doesn’t have enough red meat for the base.

  • pilgrim

    I do not think our candidates are going to be nor should they be as angry with Erick Cantor and company as some of the posts I’ve read. This kerfuffle shall pass.

  • http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog/loren_heal Socrates

    We should be cutting stuff, like defunding No Child Left Behind or Race To the Slop. Local teachers and school board members across the country would even join us in taking down the entire federal Department of Education.

    We should be talking about drilling for oil, and removing all limits on it.

    We should be talking about a fence along the southern border.

    We should have a flat tax on all income over the poverty limit, deductions only for number of members of household. Or repeal the 16th amendment and replace it with a sales tax, I don’t care, but no “fair tax” stipend crap.

    You want to repeal and replace health care? Then say so. And push to:

    • Remove limits on interstate insurance
    • Remove mandates for what must be covered, so people can buy actual insurance for cancer, heart attack, etc, and pay for bandaids out of pocket
    • Fix the tax code (as above) so that employers don’t have to be insurance brokers.

    There’s lots of other stuff. But it doesn’t take 20 pages, and it doesn’t take a lot of explaining.

  • SteveLA

    Great stuff, and I agree with you 100 Percent.

    The list of things that R’s want to do is pitiful, you list is great!

  • Dave_in_Fla

    How much of that 800+ words in the CWA became law? I seem to recall a lot of disappointment watching bill after bill come to a vote in that first 100 days, only to see them voted down.

    Again, prove you can govern like adults first, then go for the agenda.

  • aesthete

    I read the whole thing, and it is pretty much all rhetoric.

  • aesthete

    The fact that this “pledge” only weakly supports paring back some 2008-10 Dem advances is pathetic.

  • Scope

    These are the people who brought the wilderness to the Republican party. They are trying their dangdest to keep them there. You may consider it a kerfuffle but, the country has moved way beyond the many Republican kerfuffles. The country has moved so far away from the Republican same thing, different day scenarios. This plan is just more of the same, and, in my opinion, they have made the party look weaker than some already thought they were.

  • Doc Holliday
  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics
  • Scope

    Republicans need to prove they can govern like adults first. They didn’t need to release this document at all, until they prove that they can govern like adults. This document proves nothing, and, is actually a testament that they never listened to the majority of the country.

  • reddog53

    Erick, I have to also register some polite dissent.

    I admit that I haven’t had the opportunity to read the document yet, so my inclination is to defer to your judgement. But…..we need to stay focused, grasshopper!

    The Democrats have been pummelling our side as the Party of NO, and this was an attempt to defuse that bomb.

    It may not all that it can be, but why so hot? We have worked for 18 months to get the attention of the Republican Caucus, and this at least proves they’re listening, unlike the other side, which is still out there trying to sell health care (at least the President is….).

    We have 6 hard weeks left before the real work begins. Now is not the time to take our football and go home.

    Let’s get the folks seeking our votes to explain how they will take this short description and give it life in the next two years, mindful that the actual plan will depend on ‘conditions on the ground’ at the time — how many seats do we actually take? What does the opposition do in response?

  • reddog53

    Just saying….

  • Doc Holliday

    the enemy is in sight, and we need to focus on them. However, as you say, they are listening to us. Well, they need to listen a little more. We have had 18 months, actually much longer than that in Congress, and this paper is lacking. We are not nitpicking the thing, we are asking if there is any meat at all. I just don’t see it.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    When you use certain slurs you offend more than just the people you’re insulting, you also offend families of people with certain conditions.

    So learn better ways to express your displeasure.

  • LisaDe

    One Hundred percent. This September and October should be about one thing and one thing only…Helping Republicans get elected. Nothing more. I am so tired of seeing the complaints about this, that, and the other.

    The self- righteous criticism should be directed soley at those liberal democrats and not at all against anyone who is on the (R) team. Not one of them. Knock yourselves out on November 3rd, but until then, I think its really detrimental.

    As far as the document is concerned, well, If today there wasn’t one to dissect, I guess we’d be criticizing that. I really wish the blows that are dealt to men on “our team” would stop, even if its just for another 6 weeks.

  • NHConservative0227

    when she hosted O’Reilly a few weeks back (actually it’s one of the few times it’s worth watching that show is when she hosts).

    Ingraham asked Cantor why he wouldn’t support an earmark ban and he had no good answer.

  • cactusjack

    other clueless Repubs did in Jan 2009, what was it the “listening tour” (?)that disappeared in a cloud of fecklessness, I suppose this is, ahem*cough* shuffle in my seat* a few steps in the right direction from there. I guess they could have done a lot worse. I think Repubs still have the economy, corruption and competency to run on strongly.

  • IJB

    All they needed to do was run on opposing Obama.

    Talking about anything else was stupid, as this whole thing shows.

  • NHConservative0227

    Yes we will all vote for Republicans this November.

    The problem is that we’re sick of putting the same big gov’t Progressive R’s in power. The same ones that sent spending way out of control that last time they had power in both Congress and the Presidency.

    We’re really at a make or break point as a country. We need some real entitlement reform or we will be looking at some real longtime suffering. Just passing a resolution of some common sense things that does nothing to fix the real problems is not good enough. Why can’t they put in an earmarks ban? Why not eliminate the ridiculous restrictions on drilling and nuclear power plants? Where is the push to reform Medicare and privatize Social Security? What about eliminating the Dept of Education and Dept of Energy??

    We need a commitment to real conservative principles, not a bunch of fluff with the same old garbage just to regain power.

  • ghostship

    More empty promises and meaningless rhetoric from the so called leaders of the GOP.

    It makes me feel despondent that after so many years of being a Republican and supporting the party that I still have to put up with this B.S. of being used by them.

    Is it so much to ask that the Party would stand for something other than getting themselves elected? Is it crazy that I should want the party to actually push a Conservative agenda of smaller government and fiscal responsibility instead of just lip service from them when it’s election time?

    After so many years of this it’s hard not to become a bit jaded and wonder why I even bother going to the polls.

  • izoneguy

    And then ask – Do you have any questions?

    THE CENTRAL ISSUE OF OUR TIME: FEDERAL SPENDING

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/09/027281.php

  • aesthete

    In fairness, what little meat there is in the “pledge” is laudable: certainly, I want Republicans to repeal ObamaCare, as the bill suggests, and going “back” even to 2008 isn’t objectionable by itself. However, I can’t help but feel that praising this manuscript is somewhat akin to applauding a hobo for saying that his life goals are to stop masturbating in public and to stare at people a little less. While a positive step forward, in both cases it is too low a standard to take either one’s claims to dramatic change at face value.

    Another problem with the proposal, however, has to do with the fact that leadership is not addressing their own hand in the disasterous policies leading up to this unparalleled growth of government. While I don’t want Republicans to self-flagellate from now to the hereafter, is it too much to ask for some sort of repudiation of 2006 from the first major fiscal policy pronouncement to come from Republican leadership? Given that the pronouncement was largely made up of rhetoric, it might have been nice to see Republicans acknowledge their mistakes, instead of pretending that it didn’t happen.

  • LisaDe

    I really am. I get it. But here’s the thing. The cards are on the table, the hands are dealt. The ones not on ballots this November will still be there until we have a say later. There is nothing that can be done about them now. They can write all the declarations and promises and pledges they want. It makes no difference to task at hand. Getting rid of Pelosi is the goal. We can hold their feet to the fire when its done, and I know we will. But right now, I am standing by each and everyone of them, publicly, even if my stomach is turning when I’m doing it.

  • LisaDe

    I really am. I get it. But here’s the thing. The cards are on the table, the hands are dealt. The ones not on ballots this November will still be there until we have a say later. There is nothing that can be done about them now. They can write all the declarations and promises and pledges they want. It makes no difference to task at hand. Getting rid of Pelosi is the goal. We can hold their feet to the fire when its done, and I know we will. But right now, I am standing by each and everyone of them, publicly, even if my stomach is turning when I’m doing it.

  • aurelv

    Along with tax hikes.

    Austerity is coming.

  • powertothepeople

    because quite frankly, when the new class of conservatives move in come November, these folks might not be running the show. This is nothing more than ill conceived grandstanding and I doubt many of the new class will fall in line with it/

    I think it has a little to do with grandstanding and just as much with desperate men trying to show they want to be a part of the new movement only to keep their jobs or get elevated.

    Now if in November the new class comes up with crap like this, we may need to be worried.

  • http://www.laborunionreport.com LaborUnionReport

    :)

  • cwilson

    1994 did not overreach. It was very measured: they promised to bring to the House floor votes on 10 separate issues that had been, until that time, bottled up in committee.

    That’s it.

    All ten were, in fact, voted on. Seven passed the House. Two or three were just House Rules, so didn’t need Senate approval. Of those that did, all but one IIRC were blocked in the Senate — and the one that passed was vetoed.

    And of those House rules changes, they were immediately reversed when Pelosi took office.

    So…you’re right in a sense, in that none of the Contract items had any lasting or permanent effect. BUT…the 1994 Congress DID fulfill their pledge: each of the 10 items WERE voted on. That’s all the Contract promised.

    Now, me, I wished that (most of) those items HAD become law…but the Contract never promised that they would.

    One difference between 1994 and now: in 1994, the Heritage Foundation wrote the contract…this year a bunch of political hacks wrote the Pledge. I’m shocked, SHOCKED, to find political weaseling going on…

  • cwilson

    It’s an announcement that there are a number of openings in the leadership of the House and Senate GOP. Start date, Jan 3, 2011…we are accepting applications now; interviews will be conducted on Nov 3, 2010.

    Because the document shows that the current “leadership” can’t find their own rear end with a map and a flashlight.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Once we get our outrage out of our systems and disown it, shunning may well be our best tactic to get it to sink faster.

  • throwback59

    empty promises is this new ad that just came out, you can’t watch it without getting a lump in the throat.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo0ICjI0iHI

  • 1stRichard

    Should we cut benefits for veterans, or make cuts in Social Security and Medicare and then there was compromise. Many of us, in the Tea Party and Constitutional Conservatives shook our head in disgust, they simply do not get it. You can read our signs, Restore our Constitution, Down size Government not our Jobs, must we explain such a simple message? For starters, we are a nation of individual states, free, sovereign, and independent states to provide benefits for our veterans, our health and our personal security. The federal government was there only to provide the common defense and general welfare to the states within the enumerated powers therein. We had separation of power but more importantly separation of funding. Should we cut benefits for veterans, or make cuts in Social Security and Medicare, the federal government should not have that power in the first place and this is a decision for the independent states, We the People to decide. The separation of power and separation of funding was wisely chosen in our Constitution to prevent this situation, do you want your health to compete with the defense of our nation? The general opinion I see is not to cut benefits for veterans, or make cuts in Social Security and Medicare but allow individuals to make that choice, within the Constitution, within the states. There should be no compromise in what is unconstitutional, abide by the Constitution, the originalist Constitution not the bastardized and perverted version. The government has stolen our charity and savings in the form of taxes and turned it in to a socialist allotment. No, Obama does not take full blame as history teaches us this failed policy has been with us for over a hundred years. When government strays outside the enumerated powers granted to it in our Constitution government is doomed to fail at the cost of our liberty and prosperity. The Republican party in general has not chosen to boldly stand on the moral high ground of our Constitution, maybe they think this is too radical to have morality, it seems from what I have seen they want to childishly play in the leftist sandbox, lowering their selves and our nation.

  • kestrel

    not all of which could have been in such a document, but are needed. I have no time tonight, so I’m cutting and pasting from page 2 of an article by Peter Ferrara. Sorry. These are what he calls “Change We *Can* Believe In.” I agree.

    http://spectator.org/archives/2009/12/30/washington-knows-best/1

    “Exhibit 1 of such reform is a constitutional amendment extending the concept of Recall to members of Congress, both representatives and senators…. Such right of recall needs to be applied to future Presidents as well…

    “Another populist Amendment would impose term limits on congressman, two terms for senators, and six terms for representatives, for a total of 12 years in each office. The Supreme Court ruled that the states could not constitutionally impose term limits on members of Congress, which is what killed the popular term limits movement. So this highly desirable reform can only be accomplished by constitutional amendment…

    “Another Supreme Court decision requires a constitutional amendment to adopt a presidential federal line item veto. This would maintain democratic accountability by providing a means to counter earmarks and other abuses buried in large omnibus bills, continuing resolutions, and must pass defense bills. Most states provide this power to their governors…

    “A similar amendment would adopt the one subject rule at the federal level now in force in 47 states, which requires each bill to cover one subject. That would again (stop)… the New Authoritarians from burying elitist policies in mega bills where they would metastasize unnoticed until it is too late, another reform all the more necessary because of our corrupt media…

    “Writing in the December 22 Wall Street Journal, Lee Casey and David Rivkin introduce a constitutional amendment that would enable two-thirds of the states to propose constitutional amendments directly, without calling a constitutional convention. Such proposed amendments would then have to be ratified by two-thirds of the states, a process with plenty sufficient safeguards against ill-considered amendments…”

  • http://www.amazon.com/Wade-Arnold/e/B002RHGZAS/ref=ep_sprkl_at_B002RHGZAS?pf_rd_p=479564851&pf_r Wade

    Here’s the 1994 Contract With America:

    1. require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;
    2. select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
    3. cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
    4. limit the terms of all committee chairs;
    5. ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
    6. require committee meetings to be open to the public;
    7. require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
    8. guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

    I remember seeing Newt on the capital steps with a big, white poster board with all these points on it. This was right out of the Reagan playbook – easy to understand promises built into a CONCISE message.

    Erick, you’re wrong in that one respect, it doesn’t NEED to spell out exactly HOW each item will be done. It does need to be specific, simple, and promote an adherence to the Constitution.

    The “pledge” isn’t all dreck, but it does still show a Republican party that is out of touch. This is the Contract with America written by the Obamacare bill rules – pages and pages of details and graphs and charts….who will really read it? Most on the right will get the details from Rush and Hannity.

    The one part that IS dreck is the health care part. “repeal and REPLACE” and preventing refusal of pre-existing conditions are right from someone’s poll and spin doctor’s behind the scenes thinking they are wizard’s of smart (as Rush says).

    Nobody cares about “replace” right now. At least no voters who cast their ballot for GOP members. Everyone has “pre-existing” conditions…EVERYONE…ask any physician. So instead of giving into the liberal message (ilike agreeing global warming is real but we just have to fix it different), the GOP should be WINNING the argument with their own message about how screwed up the whole idea is.

    So, it’s not dreck, but it’s certainly not brilliant.

    Oh, one other note, and Erick, I wish you would help promote this: the proposed Balanced Budget Amendment would do nothing to prevent massive tax hikes. When the Dems got control again someday it would be a perfect excuse for them to go the other way….”balance” the budget by introducing VAT, Cap n’ Tax, and everything else to meet the amendment’s rules.

  • jccbin

    I cannot write what vile villainy I would peacefully accept befalling them.

  • jccbin

    Guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

  • clintonformccain

    Here I am willing to vote for Charles Manson if it means another Republican in Congress to stop the Obama regime. Here I am putting my money where my mouth is, voting against a college classmate in Massachusetts to elect Scott Brown.

    And ya’ll die hard Republicans are upset because a campaign pitch doesn’t pass the conservative purity test? I dunno. Isn’t that a lot like what the KOS crowd does to the Democrat Party?

    I’m sympathetic to the frustration with more-of-the-same Congress-critters, but come on. It’s a campaign pitch, it proposes some stuff that most Republican and Independent voters would approve of, even though they might wish for more. And, it can be touted as a response to the party of No charges. What’s not to like?

    But, what do I know? I’m just an independent voter (you know, the kind Repubicans need to win elections) committed to voting a straight Republican ticket in November, primarily to restore gridlock to Washington for the duration of the Obama regime.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Reconstruction
    Plessey v Ferguson
    Wilsonian domestic facism and League of Nations
    Smoot-Hawley
    National Recovery Act
    Alger Hiss – United Nations
    Engle v Vitale
    LBJ
    The Swimmer’s immigration reform
    Roe v Wade
    Church Commission
    Restrictions on oil exploration and nuclear power
    Boland Amendment
    Bush41′s new taxes
    Leaving Saddam in power
    Hillary Care
    Clinton pardons
    McCain-Feingold
    Democrats
    Obama

    get my point?

  • conservativecurmudgeon

    The Republican Party establishment is as clueless about the scope of the coming tsunami as the Democrat Party. Fortunately for them, it will redound to them, without regard to whatever dreck their campaign consultants came up with.

    It is so sad, so head-shaking, that they don’t understand the degree to which America is begging, yearning, for decisive, strong, articulate, powerful, determined, dogged, principled, and rhetorically sound representation. America, and Americans, are sick to death of the posing, the polling, the pandering, the weak-kneed and lily-livered. Most Americans I know have NEVER been so deathly serious, so animated, so upset by what the cranks and criminals in Washington and throughout the government are doing.

    ..And the Republicans will be as chopped against the Shoals of Reality on November Third, when the scope of the conservative victory is finally witnessed, and this Amazing, blessed nation will be LITERALLY in their hands. If this”Pledge” crap is any indication of what we can expect, the whole gig might already be up.

    God help our Nation. Honestly.

  • Doc Holliday

    that is how the career politician perpetuates his own existence. What we want is much simpler. We want people to go to Washington to reduce Washington’s power. We don’t want a few hundred more lines in the tax code, we wan the code thrown out! We don’t want to “reform” the Department of Education, we want the place reduced by 80 percent. We don’t want a more “responsive” government, we want the government off our backs!

    If you don’t like it, don’t threaten us that we need you, just do what you have to do, we will do likewise.

  • aesthete

    To come close to finding the worse one without wanting to retch.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • Doc Holliday

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20017335-503544.html

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    would be one that would allow Congress to re-vote on specific line items after they are vetoed.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Many of the GOP elected reps and senators have made individual statements that are great and in more detail.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • securitymom
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    given the magnitude of the victory and mandate sought and rhetoric employed. And they couldn’t even pass it.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    5

  • acat

    Pick one.

    I’m planning on a bunch of pols who don’t plan….

    Mew

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • Doc Holliday

    I just want some specific transformational conservative pledge. Could they not give us anything? Could they not saying something like pass laws to stop eminent domain abuse? Could they not say defund non humanitarian UN efforts? This is not difficult, they needed to say something.

    Ok I have a good one. A pledge to stop the gross distortion of the Constitution through false use of the interstate commerce act.

    If you want some more, get rid of the thousands of gun laws, gambling laws, tax laws, and other nit picking laws that do nothing to help society and are only there to keep tens of thousands of bureaucrats and politicians on the dole.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • callawyn

    1) Obamacare MUST be repealed. If it stands, we become a socialist country, permanently left/center. If its not repealed, nothing else will matter in the long run.

    2) Banning Public Sector Unions. These are the root cause of all evil. If this happens, everything else becomes much more possible/likely. These are the main financiers of the Democratic party and are also one of the main causes of financial problems for every state and municipality that allows them, including of course the federal government.

    I was pleasantly surprised to actually see #2 here on the pledge. This is a huge deal, and I didn’t imagine the R establishment even had it on their radar.

    Would have preferred to see pledges to eliminate entire departments (energy/education for starters) rather than promises to reduce their size, but having the above 2 items on the pledge could make all else possible if they actually accomplish them.

  • acat

    First we clean the House, then we clean the GOP.

    Mew

    p.s. wouldn’t Palin make a wonderful replacement for Steele?

  • Doc Holliday

    These guys built this up, it is their fault it fell flat. I really can’t wait for people like Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and the gang to get in and change things.

  • acat

    It cannot prosper.

    Mew

  • Doc Holliday

    they will be sorely disappointed if their Magnum Opus is a 1 day non-story.

  • acat

    Stockholm syndrome, perhaps? Something like it, anyway… The Repubs had been out of power for so long in the Senate they couldn’t believe they were in charge, and couldn’t figure out how to act the part believably.

    Mew

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • traversecityconservative

    …to help us deal with Rinos and Rino pledges:

    Republican in 2010, Conservative in 2012.

  • acat

    Repealing Obamacare should be simply a line item.

    Short of that, de-fund the thing, block its’ implementation, shut down the damn government and *keep* it shut down until Obama folds.

    He will fold like a cheap suit, but only if the GOP can keep the pressure on .. and I’m surprised some of our esteemed senators and representatives can generate enough pressure to {defecate}. (maybe that’s why they come across as full of {excrement})

    Mew

  • acat

    but I doubt the RINOs will quit bloviating that soon.

    Mew

  • acat

    If left to his own devices, some of the D.C. problems would go away… permanently…

    Mew

  • acat
  • NHConservative0227

    than as a useless figure-head of the RNC.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    to ObamaDem plans now in place. We win that argument.

    The MSM and others will bring it up and maybe some of the signers will tout it, but the story I hope ends ASAP is the one where the MSM can point to continuing over-the-top attacks on the plan from this website and other conservatives. The focus of extreme opprobrium should be the ObamaDems that deserve it.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    as the current occupant of the Oval Office.

    She does “figurehead” very well. She’s a good fund raiser and an excellent rabble rouser. She would raise all kinds of hell and would be an asset when it comes to recruiting conservatives.

    As far as her holding elective office, she’s never accomplished a thing in the offices she held except spending a ton of money. And running out the back door with flimsy excuses when the heat came down.

  • Doc Holliday

    No one here is trying to hurt Republican chances in November. But we at RS could have a unified front too. The site is read by those in charge, maybe if WE were unified they would make a few changes to their draft?

    I am not happy that this is what our “leaders” have come up with. I spend my time on these issues, I spend my money on these issues, and I am going to say when I am disappointed. How many times have we told those GOP leaders who have been losing power for years to stand for something and we will support you?

  • Robert Allen Leeper

    rather than a picture of a draft.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    attacks on it rather than honest assessments of the already implemented and future ObamaDem plans. The issue this Fall should be about the disaster that has been the ObamaDems, and not a meaningless pre-election lowest common denominator scrap of paper.

  • Doc Holliday
  • NHConservative0227

    would you vote for Palin?

  • captkirc

    Albert Haynesworth’s contract to the top of that list.

    Seriously though, even if this is “meaningless dreck,” why give the media and Democrats a soundbite on which to attack this from the right. Worse, why risk demotivating the very people needed to win back the house 41 days before a monumentally important election?

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    THE DEMOCRATS GOT CONTROL OF CONGRESS IN….

  • whiskey_sierra

    Any president who says ‘I need the line item veto’ is FULL OF CRAPOLA.

    How do you solve this? EASY.

    Once again, ALL THIS WOULD TAKE…is one man as president with the balls to say:

    Dear, Congress.

    I am not signing this irresponsible bill you sent to me, make it 50 pages or less or I wont sign it, also document exactly what powers in the Constitution you use to justify the passage of this legislation in the first section of every bill you send me including this one or I am not signing them.

    We can shut the whole thing down for 4 years and I will play golf and have some nice fancy dinner parties if you want, but do these things in your future bills that you want send to me or I am not signing.

    -The President

    ps. bite me.

    Any time a president starts to whine about ‘i need line item veto’, he is FULL OF SHIT…just send the bills back if you don’t like them.

  • Doc Holliday
  • Doc Holliday

    btw, they posted Ericks entire diary at Daily Kos, fair use violation? they think we are in turmoil, but they are wrong, we just think the rag was a bust.

  • NHConservative0227

    http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2009/06/governor-palins-budgets-pointing-out.html

    Please tell me what’s wrong with this?

  • JSobieski
  • JSobieski

    in contrast to this political pulp equivalent of the National Enquirer

  • JSobieski

    “Repeal Obamacare” would have sufficed.

  • GregInFla

    to keep the drugs out. I read that a fence is getting built on the Mexico-Guatemala border as we speak.

  • GregInFla

    Because if those items could stand on their own, they likely would not be mixed in with the other crap in the bill.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    dramatically before making a cut and leaving the budget well above the levels it was at before she took office.

    conservatives4palin is the ultimate kool-aid shop. It’s not a political site, it’s a theological site. The people who hang out there generally look to Palin as the second coming.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I’ll vote for her. It will be a losing cause, but I’ll vote for her in the general.

  • clintonformccain

    I was told that my kind was no longer welcome to vote Democrat because I didn’t pass a liberal litmus test.

    That’s really not a smart poltical strategy, IMO. Whether it come from the left or the right.

  • IJB

    Frankly, if they just distill this “pledge” down to that, and “Repeal ObamaCare”, and I think everyone here would be cheering.

    What’s so hard about K.I.S.S.?!!

    (The eliminating Departments stuff needs to wait until the 2012 campaign – this is not the time to broach that…)

  • shockdoctrine

    It sounds great, but I have two problems. Cantor and Boehnor have been part of the Republican problem. They should go the way of the other establishment incumbents come reelection time.

    Also, sanctions on Iran? Are they seriously pushing this act of war on their people who are mostly innocent? One thing about sanctions is that is hurts the poor people, not the elites. The elites will thrive, but the poor and middle classes will suffer.

    Thank god they aren’t pushing social issues.

  • shockdoctrine

    We should be looking for candidates that want to support this stuff. The house leadership doesn’t look like it would ever support eliminating the two DoE’s.

    I say kick Cantor and Boehner out in 2012 or whenever they are up for reelection.

  • azaeroprof

    Art’s gone, but I still hear his echo.

  • JSobieski

    “Art’s gone, but I still hear his echo”? As if anyone saying anything at all negative about Palin is just channeling Art? Makes it a lot easier to deal with the objections if you just chalk it up to a matter of personality.

  • NHConservative0227

    Palin has been the only potential candidate from day one who has been criticizing Obama. Not only criticizing, but ripping him to shreds.

    She tore up Joey Plugs Biden in that debate and would do the same to Obama. I think unlike most of the other candidates, she wouldn’t be afraid to call him out for what he really is and not sugarcoat things.

  • JSobieski

    “no way she loses to the Marxist”?

    1992 — There is “no way” that George HW Bush could lose to a draft dodging socialist from a dinky state

    1996–There is “no way” that Bob Dole could lose to a scandle ridden draft dodger who tried to bring socialized medicine to the US

    Make no mistake about it, predictions of “no way” (particularly before the miderms) are really statements of hope.

  • NHConservative0227

    Back in the 90′s people were stuck playing the political game and not many were seriously worried about the country going into economic ruin.

    With the rise of Redstate, the Tea Party, and 912 groups so many people have finally woken up. Enough independents will choose capitalism over socialism.

  • azaeroprof

    I like beck. But those last two posts could have been written without a keyboard. Just right-click copy, right-click paste from any of 3 dozen of Art’s posts. Why can’t someone say something nice about Palin here without the same lines thrown back at them over and over? Why, just yesterday, you and I reached a concensus of reasonableness (is that a word?) regarding Palin.

    conservatives4palin is an unabashed fan site and makes no bones about it. I read it occasionally, and even post articles from it on facebook, but not here. But accusing the folks from that site of thinking Palin is the “second coming” is doing exactly what you said: “making it about the person rather than the argument”. I’m pretty certain that none of the folks who paste there really believe she is the second coming.

  • azaeroprof

    So much can happen between now and 2012, it is indeed foolish to proclaim anything with certainty. Even as a huge Palin fan, I must admit that for her to beat Obama in a general is an uphill battle, even if the economy remains sluggish 2 whole years from now. But I won’t touch certainty either way with a 10-foot pole.

  • JSobieski

    For someone who has been banned and for someone who a lot diehard Palin fans constantly complained about, it does seem that AChance gets a lot of mentions in discussion.

    Look over the most recent Palin diary and see how many times the response to any kind of criticism of Palin involves a mention of Art.

    Before Obama was elected, many people pointed out that a career consisting of a couple years in the Senate was a remarkably thin Presidential resume. Well, two years as a governor is pretty thin as well. Besides Obama, has there been a person elected President in the modern era with a resume as thin as Palin’s?

    I would say no. That’s not Art Chance talking or J the Magic RINO talking, its me.

    We don’t disagree about Palin, but both sides repeat the same arguments about her constantly. I think the Palin skeptics such as Beck acknowledge her strengths (she is remarkable fund raiser, bomb thrower, and rock star) far more than her fans acknowledge her weaknesses (left office early, thin record, etc).

    I think this argument would die down somewhat if Palin fans would just admit that the ranks of past US Presidents doesn’t include anyone whose prior jobs included a 2 year governor.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    This thing is way too long-winded.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    and before that he was a state legislator:

    http://johnboehner.house.gov/Biography/

    Eric Cantor has been in the House for almost ten years:

    http://cantor.house.gov/about.htm

    Ever notice how most of the real “bomb throwers” among the Republican congressional delegation are those who have been there fewer than ten years?

    It’s almost like the longer they are there, the “weaker” they become.

    Hmmmm.

    For Liberty,
    ColdWarrior, PC (that?s ?precinct committeeman,? not ?political child!?)
    Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW! (40 days until Nov. 2 — what are YOU DOING to help get out the vote in your precinct?)

  • DavidS1787

    Mike Pence.

  • azaeroprof

    (Please don’t over-interpret my example!)

    4 2-year terms as a state legislator
    1 2-year term in U.S. House of Representatives
    2 unsuccessful U.S. Senate races
    0 years of executive experience

    Elected President in 1860, re-elected in 1864 and considered America’s great president by most historians.

    Don’t get me wrong. I don’t mean in any way to equate Sarah Palin to Abraham Lincoln. But Lincoln had 2 fewer years of elected service as Palin has. 8 of her 12 years of elected service were executive, 0 of Lincoln’s 10. And certainly no one can accuse Lincoln of serving during an “easy” time that required a lesser-experienced man.

    Sometimes other factors trump experience. Does Sarah have these other factors? Maybe, maybe not.

  • audax

    We had our practice primary season in 2010. Now lets get them elected! Then we can SLAP around the GOP Leadership who continue to ignore our LIBERTY platform in the next Congress.

    We SLAPPED the GOP Leadership good in 2010 because they weren’t listening. SLAP Marco Rubio, SLAP SLAP Pat Toomey, SLAP SLAP SLAP Rand Paul, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Ken Buck, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Susan Angle, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Joe Miller, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Christine O’Donnell.

    Ok, now we’ve had some practice. Who will we SLAP, and with who, in the next election cycle? We need to get our ELECTED GOP Precinct Committeemen in place. We need to take control of the GOP County Executive Committees, the District, State and National GOP Committees. We need to run LIBERTY Candidates in all GOP races in what will be an even bigger election year than 2010.

    I CAN SEE NOVEMBER FROM MY HOUSE!!!!!

  • davesinsanantonio
  • expatuae

    And/ or we can repeal the Budget Act of 1974 and allow the president discretion to NOT SPEND budgeted appropriations.

  • expatuae

    And/ or we can repeal the Budget Act of 1974 and allow the president discretion to NOT SPEND budgeted appropriations.

  • davesinsanantonio

    give the next election to the Dems. They will then have time to finish the destruction of this great country. And, they will pass laws and fund Acorn and other agencies who will lie, cheat, and steal any further elections so that the destruction cannot be undone without tremendous intense widespread violence that will be even worse for America than the Dems are.
    So, don’t even think about a third party, Put all your effort into taking back the party we already have. We can make it the majority party forever if we espouse true principles and do our homework to make sure our candidates understand those principles and will work to support them. That is what the majority of Americans want. Every time there have been candidates who stood up for true principles the Republicans have won. It is only when we get squishy about those principles that we open the door and let the Dems back in. Stop the leftist nonsense!!!
    Lets give the American people what they want, not the pablum of wishy-washy bipartisan nonsense that does not uphold what made this country great in the first place.

  • Nexus

    The real work begins after the takeover. We have to insist that if they want to keep their jobs they have to find legislative solutions that give them less power and citizens more freedom. One example: The single best thing they could have done with financial reform is to take the FDIC out of the business of insuring banks’ trading desks.

  • davesinsanantonio
  • davesinsanantonio

    nt

  • davesinsanantonio

    that says all monies so vetoed cannot be spent elsewhere that year. That will help keep total spending down.
    Also, it is not just earmarks that are the problem. Congress can find lots of things that they will vote to spend money for without needing an earmark from just one of them. We need a Congress that understands how to say “No!” to special interests. We can only get such a Congress one candidate at a time.

  • davesinsanantonio

    Erick is over 18. By the way, if you read it you may get some understanding why it was ratified. I submit that the people of America are of a similar mindset today and would welcome a spending limit Amendment, a fair – tax amendment, a line – item veto amendment, a term limit for Congress amendment, a maybe a few others.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Those promises didn’t touch entitlements, oil drilling and nuclear power regulations, the EPA, etc. They were all out of proportion to the seize of our victory and revolutionary rhetoric. I was a dem at the time and correctly recall how puny it was at the time by saying: Is that all? I was closet conservative that had hoped they wanted to change more! And amen on your recitation of one of the pitfalls of a balanced budget amendment. There are many more.

    What Gingrich at the heighth of power in 1994 and this recent plan miss is the main conservative goal to get big guv regs off our back and entitlements reformed and reduced.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    It is much more the mandates on states and individuals and ins cos that is its socialist destructive power, rather than what is funded by federal taxes.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    legislation is a work of compromise between the legislature and the executive.

  • davesinsanantonio

    because you know you must. We cannot afford to ever sit out any election. That is how the bad guys win. And, they can do so much damage in just one term that we often cannot recover in several terms time. This is true at all levels of government, not just the federal level. We have to stand up and do what needs to be done, and teach others to do the same. If we don’t stand up, how do they know how to do it?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    in charge of purse strings. Hoping for a dictator-like device like the line item veto could be a major part of slaying the fed govt behemoth is misplaced.

  • davesinsanantonio

    Thanks for the line!

  • davesinsanantonio
  • Scope

    but even if the R’s gained the majorities in both houses this year, what could they do to stop the mandates? I favor complete repeal, however, the O would veto any legislation faster than he signed the Big F’n Deal.

  • naraht

    Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007?

  • Doc Holliday

    but why were they not bolder? Why did they not offer more specifics? They don’t even mention past Republican ideas such as ending the death tax. Why could they not say they would stop government from social engineering and wealth redistribution? Why didn’t they come out and say it is the people’s money, not government’s money?

    At this point I am willing to let it go and support the team, we do not have much time. However, I would not be surprised if more motivated conservative candidates came out with their own pledges, and I would welcome that. If the Tea Party phenomenon has shown anything, it is that we want those guys in Congress to do what WE want, not what they tell us we want.

  • nunleigh

    I agree with your assessment, Erick. I was horrified when I saw the length of this document. These fools are going to force a third party. At one time, I was worried a third party would only split conservative votes and give the Democrats the edge, but I think Jim DeMint is right. The Grand Old Party will be dead, and we will be a two party system again after the funeral.

  • Doc Holliday
  • acat

    Hillary could well mount a run from the right of the Dem side…

    How would Sarah from Alaska fare against Hillary?

    Mew

  • acat

    Obama will fold if the GOP can keep enough pressure on him.

    Do you trust a GOP made up of Cornyn, Hatch, et al to do so?

    I am concerned that this document is nothing more than Stupak’s “bring the abortion bit to a vote” promise. That is, “let’s have a vote on repealing socialism, and *when* that vote fails, we’ll fall into line”.

    Mew

  • naraht

    However, the point generally stands. We’ve had 6 amendments pass in the age of Television:
    22nd (two terms only)
    23rd (DC electoral votes)
    24th (no poll tax)
    25th (Presidential Disability and Succession)
    26th (age 18 voting across the board)
    27th (no immediate congressional raises).

    Of those, only the 23rd and 24th had any even mildly organized opposition, and that was mostly in Dixie. (In each case, the states that didn’t ratify at the time were overwhelmingly in the 11 States). The 27th, OTOH, was about as controversial as declaring the Sunflower to be the State Flower.

    I use the ERA as my guide in this regard. If you can imagine the opposition to the amendment being *at least* as organized, funded and outspoken as the opposition to the ERA then it almost certainly isn’t going to pass.

  • atillathehun

    We may be looking at the document that began the movement toward a third party that holds the founding documents as the guiding principles for governance.
    It is really quite astounding that these people do not understand the limitations of the Federal Government as created by the Creator.

  • hilliardohpatriot

    I agree, clintonformccain. I’m a little shocked at what I am reading here. I was raised a liberal, evolved to an independent and now being a pretty hard core conservative. I tend to see things from all points of view a lot. I think we are forgetting just how the MSM is going to rip to shreds anything the GOP puts out. And I try to look at how independents and “average” liberals will look at things. Perhaps the GOP did not want to put out something that would be perceived as “too radical”. I only had time to read the first page, and that alone is enough to have the MSM and the “looney left” up in arms.

    I mean, really now, they are quoting radical documents like the “Declaration of Independence” and the “Constitution”, and mentioning radicals like our “Founding Fathers”. They are saying a lot of things I’ve heard at those radical meetings of “Tea Partiers”. It’s shocking, simply shocking. :)

    The GOP *had* to put something out. They were under great pressure to. They really had no choice. So what if it’s not exactly what “we” want right now – let’s stop the in-fighting and support what and who we can.

    The left is watching with eager anticipation to jump on anything they can use to pull us apart – you’ve given them one of the biggest openings I’ve seen in a while.

    PS. Eric, you’ve been quoted in the WSJ also: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/09/23/political-wisdom-assessing-the-pledge-to-america/

  • fightinmad

    It is a sad day when we on the right cannot get a grip on the big picture. We all are very passionate about what we want and what we believe. Yet we scratch and claw at every idea people offer because it “ain’t bold enough!” Guys like Rove attack because our conservatives aren’t pure enough. We get so wrapped up in bickering over our petty differences that we drop the ball and will in the end lose the game. Folks, we need to take this war one battle at a time. We hit our targets one at a time. Today we win the election. We get Americans working again and get the tax rates to stay the same for now. Tomorrow we dismantle the Obama Death-Care plan. We then get taxes right by going to a “Fair Tax” system which takes away the grab for power through taxation. We move on to defunding little-by-little the welfare give away programs cutting out first those programs that only increase government dependence rather than truly help folks who really and I emphasize really need it. As Mark Levin preaches night after night, “it will take us a long time to get things back the way our founders envisioned it.” We hold true to our Constitution and each day clean out the trash that has been woven into it by our communist traitors. Lets apply the pressure on our own representatives at home. Lets fight our battles locally once this election is over. Lets make sure they know they are gone if they do not produce. And lets help get rid of the implants in Washington who work behind the scenes. Those aids and staff workers who have been there for years in some cases. The corruption is deep. It is going to take patience and as Glenn says, Faith in God and the Power of His might to eventually win this war. If you want to win in overnight then I suggest you had better just pick up your guns and attack. I only see total ruin if that happens. Our communist neighbors will attack us in a heart beat. We have to see the big picture, realize how we got here and work tirelessly to take it back. Let us stop the infighting, remove the RINOs and get our message clear and true and then man our stations and keep those who represent us true to our cause. Remember, you are responsible for your two Senators and which ever congress person you have in your district. You are also responsible for the local politicians in your neighborhood. Focus on what they are doing. Go to the town meetings. Read the paper and watch the local news and speak up when they try to take away our Constitutional and God given rights. We are running out of time. Support our soldiers we have now and get the job done.

  • acat

    Brilliant? Sure. Master of political judo? Yep.

    Sufficient moral fiber (or guts, or sticktoitiveness, whatever ya wanna call it) to not lose the way when the going gets tough? Not so much.

    The CWA is fondly remembered by many Conservatives, but even then it was a “good first step”. Newt face-planted (and took the rest of conservatism down with him) on the second step.

    Mew

  • davenj1

    You have to start somewhere. It is a statement like a wish list, but you know you won’t get everything on that list. Outright dissing plays into the hands of Democrats and the White House which has already attacked it. This talk of a third party will do absolutely what to weaken Democrats? Go ahead and do it and i guarantee you that when 2012 rolls around, you will undo any gains made in 2010. Do you want two years of Republican control of the House in exchange for 4 more years of Obama? Keep and eye on the bigger picture, folks. You cannot daily rail about Obama on this or any other website only to lay the seeds for his re-election. Face it- Sarah Palin or anyone else running as a third-party candidate WILL HURT REPUBLICAN chances, not those of Obama. Wake up and take the baby steps necessary towards the overall, longer term goal.

  • NHConservative0227

    Again it’s the same thing. People are fed up with progressive socialists.

    Plus Sarah has actually accomplished everything on her own while Hillary rode her husbands coattails.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And, while I haven’t looked lately and don’t intend to, at least one of the major contributors to c4p got banned from Redstate for posting her press releases with no commentary other than glowing pictures of her.

    The people who run that site are collectively dumb as a box of rock. (Two rocks has them hands down.)

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    It’s way to early to be having this discussion. I’m calling Franz Rule on it now.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And, aside from what she’s done since she left office, which is 100% community organizing work, she’s accomplished absolutely nothing but to leave Alaska with a significantly higher base budget than they had when she came into office.

  • acat

    Whoever the GOP POTUS nom is in 2012, like it or not, fair or not, they’re going to be tarred with the failures of the 2012 GOP house and senate wave.

    We are going to have to make 2012 an extension of 2010 .. and do it in spite of RINOs. On this, I am pretty sure we agree.

    I will be watching Palin and whether she can inspire at the top of the ticket (if she even decides to run, although she certainly looks like it…) the way she did at the bottom of the ticket in 2008.

    Mew

  • acat

    “We need coffee and crullers, stat!”

  • pgrossjr

    and this is what comity gets you; Castle is now considering a write-in campaign.

  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

    Maybe the Adversary did, but hardly the Creator.

  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

    It just needs editing. See what Cold Warrior did.

  • NHConservative0227

    She signed the largest budget in state history but she also dramatically reduced federal earmark requests, made the largest cuts to the construction budget in state history, refused a pay raise, pushed the development of the Gas Pipeline, and went after oil companies for sitting on their leases.

    In her first term as mayor she cut property taxes by 75%, eliminated personal property and business taxes. In her second term she had a slight tax increase that was approved by voters to build a sports complex in Wasilla.

    In response to the criticism that she doesn’t have enough experience fighting Democrat legislatures I think she more than proved her ability to overcome adversity in speaking out against corruption when she was on the Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. She put her career on the line and refused to back down and shut her mouth.

  • maisy

    I had to search the document yesterday for any mention of Illegal immigration. My feeling is and has been that ignoring that situation will be the death knell of the country. Secure the borders drivel without specifics is just more crap from these people who just don’t get it! I don’t trust these weasels and would like to see people like Steve King take control of a true conservative party.
    I don’t like Boehner-,Cantor seems to be slippery as well and Pence is another chameleon. Looks like we are heading for same old ,same old and can look forward to millions of more Auntie Zetunis in our future!

  • HappyBunny

    We have an election to win, there’s plenty of time for you to embarrass yourself AFTER November.

  • NHConservative0227

    She’s already been fighting the lamestream media for quite some time now. I think her constant criticisms of Obama will come in handy during a POTUS run. Palin will call him out for being the socialist that he is during the campaign and during debates. I really think she’d tear him out during debates just like she did with Biden.

  • NHConservative0227

    you sound like a hit and run liberal.

    If you don’t want to argue the topic, then why even join in with your snide remarks?

  • Dave_in_Fla

    Here and above. I’ve been hoping to find time to write a diary about the Contract with America, but I’ll wait until you write yours and comment against it.

    No point in trying to make additional comments in this thread, since they will get lost in the chest thumping.

  • minncon

    … I’m sure they didn’t read it before they signed it.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    on this subject if she decides to run. Until November, we need to focus on winning House and Senate seats and Governorships, not pissing and moaning about failed, cowardly ex-governors.

  • avgjo

    http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2010/09/23/a-shorter-pledge-to-america-from-a-conservative-non-professional-candidate-for-the-house-and-some-suggestions/

    I was thinking of a diary post where I would put what I thought would be a good skeleton of a contract, ask people here for their ideas, refine it, present it again, and then start some sort of petition drive to have ready for our GOP friends that fateful day in January.

    But I really like what our fellow Redstater wrote there.

  • avgjo

    http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2010/09/23/a-shorter-pledge-to-america-from-a-conservative-non-professional-candidate-for-the-house-and-some-suggestions/

    I was thinking of a diary post where I would put what I thought would be a good skeleton of a contract, ask people here for their ideas, refine it, present it again, and then start some sort of petition drive to have ready for our GOP friends that fateful day in January.

    But I really like what our fellow Redstater wrote there.

  • ihateliberals

    to worry about Michael Steele. He should have been fired last January. I still want him fired but waiting to December is not going to help anyone right now. Pelosi will be removed as speaker when the GOP takes over in January but it would be better to not have her in the congress at all.

  • e_rowe

    Once again, I can’t figure out the schizophrenia of Erick Erickson. This GOP pledge reads like something that could easily have come from some of the more prominent Erickson approved candidates, like Marco Rubio and Marlin Stutzman.

  • doncorleone

    “Republicans” presenting the pledge our Founders gave to us at great expense to themselves, 16+ pages and a literal interpretation of the commerce clause, and for a little dramatic effect, governing by the “Pledge of Allegiance”.

  • Scope

    NHConservative has the right to post his ideas/opinions about Palin, or anyone, just as the anti-Palin posters have sure crowded the threads with their ideas/opinions. The one thing you can see with those that support Palin in any small way, is that they haven’t resorted to personal attacks against those they don’t agree with. There were near to 200 comments that mostly addressed that issue, just a week ago or so. Please stop personally attacking those that aren’t on the same page as you.

    When I posted against someone who won a Republican primary, a few months ago, I was asked by Moe Lane to not do that, and, if I didn’t want to help the Republican, then please do not harm them. That would be very good advice with respect to Brewer (on the LUR diary), who also won her primary. We do have elections to win, all of them.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    The point, fool, is that it came from the so-called Republican Leadership.

  • minncon

    … it’s in a very, very dark and odorous place.

    Serious – the length of the document alone is emblematic of what is wrong with Washington these days.

    A person who can’t express their core principles on a single sheet of paper doesn’t really know what he / she believes.

  • stephaniet

    Maybe they just accidentally released the draft? No? Doesn’t matter. This, with lots of specifics and polishing, would be absolutely perfect. As it is, it’s a stepping stone, something designed to get people pumped up and to get ideas floating around, I think.

    Don’t get distracted from the larger picture, everyone!

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    You will note – or not, reading comprehension ISN’T one of your strong points – that I didn’t attack anybody. I did, and will again whenever necessary, attack Palin’s pathetic lack of qualifications in the area of actually running anything effectively.

    In terms of “harming” anybody, facts are facts. Another concept you don’t deal with well. Both Palin and Brewer (who I will be voting for) have public records. Taken in context, neither is very good. c4p and the Palinbots who show up here like to take incidents out of context in their worship mode. They won’t get away with it in the primary season and they’ll end up running off and whining just like the Huckabots and Ronbots did last time around.

    The point of waking up The Bunny was to end the commentary. I’m done with Palin on any part of her POTUS campaign until after November, Bunny will take over those duties.

  • acat

    Seriously.

    Assuming conservative republicans carry the day in 2010, and have any legislative success at all, the Dems are likely to run a much more leans-right-on-paper candidate for POTUS in 2012. Given his current lack of popularity and apparent inability to triangulate, Obama could easily lose the primary…

    The Dems have also, in the past, shown a ruthlessness in suppressing their libtard base when that base is costing them elections. (once elected, of course, the story changes)

    It would not surprise me for the GOP POTUS nom to be running against a former multi-term governor of a western state…

    Against such a one, Palin would have a very hard time.

    Palin: “Obamacare! Death panels!”
    Dem: “I was governor of {state}, not something I had any control over”.

    Palin: “Cap and tax!”
    Dem: “I was governor of {state}, I was opposed to this on the grounds that {state} has {oil/coal/gas} energy reserves.”

    Remember the Dem playbook – move the ball forward as far and as fast as possible, then consolidate power. That’s their next phase, and a more conservative Dem POTUS candidate could easily win if the Repub side collapses into a mud wrestling match between snow white and the seven dwarves.

    2012 is the next thing, I know, and it does matter – but so does 2014 and 2016 and 2018 and so on. Palin winning the nom but losing the general (for whatever reason) would be worse for my children and grandchildren than Palin not running until 2016.

    Mew

  • NHConservative0227

    I responded to the suggestion that Palin would be great as RNC chair.

    I object to writing her off as being nothing but a figurehead.

    Maybe she’s the best fit to be the next POTUS to get us back on track, maybe not. I’m not going to write her off right from the start, I think she deserves a fair shot just like everyone else.

  • NHConservative0227

    I want the best conservative possible as the next POTUS. I’m open to debate and I’m not afraid of your posturing.

  • sailingaway

    When the GOP wins in November. This is all about the gop leadership slapping together what they want to do as they see the GOP wave coming courtesy of the tea party / conservatives. They are going to pretend the wave was a mandate for what they want to do. Then watch the remainder of themselves (establishment ‘leader’ types) go down in future primaries. They want to pretend the outrage is supportive of THEIR agenda, instead of implementing ours.

    Well, it may take several election cycles, but they are going down if they actually try to legislate that way. In primaries.

  • NHConservative0227

    I guarantee Obama gets the Dem nomination.

    I just can’t see it any other way. The base and party leadership is not going to erupt into an all out civil war.

    Also, if you think Hillary is going to beat him, then she’s easy pickings. She didn’t speak up once against any of these atrocious entitlement spending increases. Not to mention she was for national health care before it was cool with Hillarycare.

  • e_rowe

    All this time I thought issues mattered.

  • azaeroprof

    OK, I got tired of listening to rhetoric on both sides of this, so I took a half hour out of my work schedule to visit the Alaska budget bills. Here’s what I found:

    Alaska ’07 budget – Murkowski’s last
    Capital budget $2.19 billion
    Operating budget $8.17 billion
    Mental health budget $0.14 billion
    Total $10.50 billion

    Alaska ’10 budget – Palin’s last
    Capital budget $1.87 billion
    Operating budget $8.7 billion
    Mental health budget $0.20 billion
    Total $10.77 billion

    Percentage change through Palin’s term: +2.57%
    Average annual increase +0.86%

    Just for fun, I visited the Indiana state web site to see how the patron saint of fiscally conservative governors, Mitch Daniels (who I actually quite like), has done. Here’s what I found:

    FY2005-06 budget – Kernan’s last
    Total budget $21.4 billion

    FY 2010-11 budget – Daniels’ latest
    Total budget $26.9 billion

    Percentage change through Daniels’ term: +25.7%
    Average annual increase: +5.14%

    Now, I’m no expert at reading budget bills, so I encourage anyone who can find more accurate info to correct me. But this info is straight from the state budget authorities, not from c4p or any other fan site!

  • Scope

    Obama has made it pretty obvious that he isn’t liking the job, and, I believe Bruni, that Moochelle hates the job, it’s hell. Obama even said that he didn’t care if he was a one term president.

    Obama has lost every bit of charm, and “cult like” personality that he rode into the Presidency on. He found out that the job really does require him to do some work, and, it’s not 24/7 party time. His poll numbers are constantly going down, and, they haven’t hit the lowest they will yet.

    This is my opinion/observation, Soros bought the Presidency for Obama. He was a big Clinton fan, even of Hillary, but, saw the advantage of Obama’s blackness. When Obama did the keynote speech at the DNC convention in 06? I think, he wowed the nation. Shoot, I thought it was promising, and, I’ve never supported any Democrat. Now the nation could have a real authentic black man, rather than the first black president Clinton, and the nation would be healed, was the spun message.

    Obama has come off as a very petulant arrogant child that doesn’t play well with other’s. He doesn’t even try to hide his radicalness. Even his supporters have seen that, and, the Independents in particular, have been running far away from him. If the Republicans do gain the seats they appear to be winning, it will be all over for the O. Soros will go back and put his money and support to Hillary. He will never allow the major gains to Progressive Government to slip through his fingers without a fight. If he thinks the O is fading in those hopes, Hillary will be in. I wonder if the O will even run, many times I have my doubts.

    Everyone claimed Hillary was lacking in foreign relations experience, even though the O had none. She accepted the Sec. of State position in order to beef up her resume. She has been traveling the world, not accomplishing anything, but, making friends in high places. I’ve read an opinion that when she announced the lawsuit against AZ, when in a Latin Amer. country, that was her first hint at a desire for the highest office. Her latest speech at the CFR, where she in essence disagreed with the O, was the first actual hint. While in her current position, she cannot go against the O admin, but, I will bet she will be out of that position right after the mid-terms. The Dems also know that Bill Clinton is still very popular with those in the party, and, they see Hillary as a two for one deal. Many of the Hillary supporters in 08 said that clearly. The Democrats will not switch to being a Republican, especially the die hards. They will vote for Hillary in a heart beat. Hillary will be a very dangerous candidate in 2012, as not many realize that she is just as radical as the O. I’d love to know what the discussions were between Hillary and Georgie at Chelsea’s wedding.

  • southcoast

    Another round of statism, left or right, is not what Americans need.
    Americans need to understand we are not obligated to each other than to not be a burden on one another.
    By respecting each others rights and responsibilities as individuals can we all act together effectively in those cases of emergency rather than being forced to support each other daily.
    By understanding our own rights and responsibilities as individuals we effectively eliminate the need for an omnipresent state in our lives.

  • Scope

    Here is an article from an Alaskan Newspaper from 09, talking about the Palin 10 year budget projections. Obviously AK depends heavily on oil and gas revenues. It does point out the risks involved on the price per barrel, which can fluctuate rapidly. There isn’t a soul alive that can say for sure how much the price per barrel will be in a year, let alone 10 years. Of course, I’m sure the O, and Salazar have done their best to kill the reserves in AK, just as they have killed drilling in the Gulf.

    http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/010909/opi_375556160.shtml

    There was something else I has read a good while ago, and, I believe someone has it listed above. Palin cut way back on the federal government monies required/received, while having the luxury of higher oil and gas revenues to pick up the difference. She also wanted to refuse some of the Stimulus funds, as she didn’t want to burden the state with higher future costs for unemployment for example, but, the state Legislature overrode her wishes, and they took the money, and the mandates along with it.

  • kestrel

    is to deter extraneous things from being put in the bill in the first place. Whether they are easily crossed out or are exposed to embarrassing scrutiny, the deterrent effect will be similar.

  • aesthete

    I looked on the AK OMB website, and I found several sources that show that the last Murowski budget was ~5.1 billion (here’s one of them, look on page 40 of the PDF that you get when you select “FY07 Operating Appropriation Bill” under “Operating Budget”), and that the 2009 budget was ~7 billion (here’s the link, look on page 70). Moreover, real spending (as a result of off budget and supplemental spending) soared in AK (here’s a link to an AK gov report that shows this in graph form on page xi [page 19 out of 298]).

    I’ll look at the IN stuff later, but for now, put me down as befuddled concerning your source.

  • aesthete

    That’s a nominal increase of ~37% in two years, and a real increase of ~31%!

  • kestrel

    is more workable somehow than the line item veto. It seems like the two provisions would have much the same practical effect. I’d be interested in seeing how (if?) the line item veto is used in the states that have both provisions.

    As far as these “big picture” reforms go, I’ll be happy if we can get term limits, a constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget, and a “one bill, one subject” rule. Cold Warrior’s mention that some conservative lawmakers are planning to introduce the “one subject” rule is what got me to finally sign up as a commenter here.

    Forty-seven states can’t be wrong, can they?

  • azaeroprof

    that you labeled “here’s one of them”. Select ‘Statewide Totals’ under the heading ‘Statewide Reports’. Under the column 2007 Governor, you’ll see the $8.17 billion figure I quoted. That’s probably slightly different from the actual approved final total, but probably only by a small amount.

    I can’t the report to load that you refer to as “here’s a link”. I’ll keep trying.

  • kestrel

    “One bill, one subject” would not only prevent earmarks, but would prevent Harry Reid from attaching the DREAM and the “overturn DADT” riders to a defense spending bill. It would prevent Obama from “secretly” setting up a healthcare whatever-it-was through the rush-rush stimulus bill. It would prevent Obama from messing with the sale of gold and everything else under the sun in the healthcare bill.

    What a radical thought: Ideas will have to stand or fall on their own merit. I guess I’m a radical after all.

  • swampgator

    I realize that I’m in the minority here — first I’m a woman – which is a minority on here. Second I’m a converted Republican. I note that many on here are more conservative. So I shall tell it like I see it from a woman’s point of view.

    I don’t give a Beaver’s Butt who the Republicans run in 2012. I will vote for whomever they put out there. I am sick and tired to this yammering about everything the Republicans do – and those comments are from Republicans. Just vote to get Obama and Michelle out of my house!!! I don’t care how we do it. Just get them out of there!

    I was a Democrat yo those years ago — went Independent – and now have embraced the Republican Banner. Which I carry and fight for each day. Am I a conservative? Not sure. I don’t care. Most women I know don’t. We just want Obama gone. We are working our butts off working for candidates across this country. The phone banks, the rallies, the individual talks we give. And, at the present time, we are glad to see the Republicans doing something – it takes small baby steps to get something rolling. Most of us are employed full time and do this on our own time. Everytime I go to do my volunteering I notice a lack of males. If you’re going to complain then do somehting about it!

    Let’s take the baby steps and walk in lock step together. All of you whiners sound like a bunch of old ladies bitching. Get over it.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com Veronica
  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    if you feel like an idiot, there’s probably a reason for that. Hmmmm.

  • jimmyg

    Indiana has 10 times the population of Alaska. Indiana Population
    6,423,113, Alaska’s population 698473. If you want to compare apples to apples, Alaska should only have a budget of 10% of Indiana’s budget, in this case just over 2.6 billion.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    …there’s some bug going around, it seems. I’m fighting a cold myself.

  • aesthete

    not per-capita growth. Palin can’t be legitimately blamed for the spending levied by her predecessors, so azaeroprof’s comparison is valid. (Of course, it makes you wonder why with such large pro-capita expenditure there needed to be any increases, but I’ll grant that AK is a unique state.)

  • aesthete

    For me, that’s easily the most important of the three PDFs I linked to, as it was a report from former Lt Gov Parnell’s office showing all spending, including off-budget spending, and its growth relative to revenues. It confirms the numbers that I cited (and tacks on the mental health and capital budgets, which as you note, didn’t change much), as well as the numbers that have been used in news reports (which have not been contested by the Palin or Parnell administrations). Here’s another link to it (again, page 19). If that doesn’t work, here’s a link to the page I got the report from (click on the 2009 CAFR, it should have 298 pages).

  • azaeroprof

    Alaska is fairly unique, so I expect the budgets are structurally very different. To say that Indiana’s budget should be 10X of Alaska based only on population is like comparing apples to brussel sprouts. Remember that Alaska’s land area is almost 20X Indiana’s, and much of a state’s budget is also spent on land-related items.

    It is indeed as aesthete says, the important quantity here is marginal spending. It has been touted by Art and now by his disciple beck, that Palin ripped apart the Alaska budget. I was just trying to independently look into the real numbers and see how much validity there is to those talking points.

  • AceInTX

    any more is he?

  • aesthete

    just VERY in over his head and (for him) the unfortunate “last straw” of 50 years of progressive/RINO governance. Carter actually presided over three very good things: airline deregulation, trucking deregulation, and micro-brewing deregulation. He also very weakly supported Paul Volcker, though Reagan’s strong support of Volcker’s anti-inflation efforts was more significant. Probably the worst things he did had to do with energy and foreign policy: he highly regulated nuclear power plants, and obviously his presiding over the gas crisis was just terrible. His general fecklessness and pessimism did him in on foreign policy, as well: note to future Presidents, do not micromanage rescue efforts. He also had the misfortune of just being a weird and unlikeable guy in general; the comments about his daughter and foreign policy, the killer rabbit, and others can’t just be chalked up to fatigue or the campaign trail.

    Carter was just the guy left holding the liberal bag. Liberals never liked him much, anyways (remember Kennedy’s challenge for the Presidential nomination): he was always that hick whose religion was too on the sleeve for their liking. His honesty concerning the effects of policy were no boon to them, either: they preferred their pols to tell them that progressive legislation would only hurt “the rich”. And hey, it gave them a convenient fall guy for the Great Society’s failures (LBJ’s fault), Kennedy’s awful handling of foreign policy (involved us in Vietnam and Bay of Pigs), and most importantly, it saved them from having to explain FDR’s New Deal and “uncle Joe”. Far easier for them to peg the blame of their policies on the short four-year term of a guy that they didn’t even like that much. Though they would have vastly preferred tarring and feathering Reagan for their errors, Carter was a good second for them. Carter was just a well-meaning idiot whose fecklessness doomed him. Obama is an idiot with vastly more dangerous ideas, and much less fecklessness (unfortunately), though he is certainly more incompetent than Carter ever was.

  • azaeroprof

    I had to directly to the AK site, but I was able to open the report you mentioned. Are you talking about page 19 of the PDF, or the page numbered 19 in the report?
    There is a graph on page 19 (xi) of the PDF that appears to show expenditures going from the 5B range in ’05 to the 9B range in ’09. As an engineering professor, I would fail a student who presented a chart like this, as there is no explanation at all as to what is included in these numbers, etc. The 5B in ’05 is not consistent with the numbers in the report I quoted. Not sure what to make of this. It’s likely even more complicated because a governor of any state has control over only a portion of the overall expenditures.
    I also noticed that the revenues spiked hugely, obviously due to the increased oil prices. So would expenditures include the increase in the amount of these revenues returned to the citizens?
    I would love to see an analysis of all this from someone who really knows the ins and outs of state budgets, especially Alaska. But I want to hear it from someone who doesn’t have an axe to grind one way or the other!

  • AceInTX
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • AceInTX
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    should also have included the abandoning of the Shah and appeasement of USSR. But I did put Democrats generally at the end, and that also covers Jimmah.

  • aesthete

    can be misleading. However, the fact that a ~30% increase in government expenditures has widely been levied as a knock against Palin’s governance, and that said charge hasn’t been rebutted by either the Palin or Parnell administrations, leads me to believe that there is no “reasonable explanation” at hand. Given that Palin was only in for 2 1/2 years, it seems unlikely that the expenditure spike was due to a demographics shift. I would be tempted to fail someone who presents unsourced numbers for various concerns that contradict the numbers more commonly used without explanation, especially without adjusting for inflation+demographics changes :P Fortunately, neither of us is so much engaging in a full academic analysis as engaging in casual extrapolation on a website, and at any rate, it is sufficient evidence to render critiques and questioning of Palin on the issue valid. (Somewhat off-topic: I wonder if there is sufficient evidence put out by state OMBs to run a regression analysis on the data and some causes of government growth? That would be interesting to see.)

    I would also note that “revenue returned to the citizens” is a somewhat charitable way to characterize a redistributive program which takes money from oil producers and gives it to the general population. I won’t complain much about it because AK is unique enough to be its own special class. However, it is still a stretch to characterize it as “returning” revenue to AK citizens, in much the same way that a “tax credit” given to someone who doesn’t pay taxes is not a tax cut. Given that a large part of our critique of big government has to do with transfer payments, it is fair to include an increase in redistributive programs as “government growth”. (Of course, one can make the case that AK is so unique, that any comparison between it and other states/the federal government are useless. If so, this entire exercise is just a waste of time.)

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Mrs908 is visiting family in Ohio for 10 days and I’m trying to keep up with Franz all by myself. Pretty near an impossible job.

    Last time she went to Ohio, FPoD and I hung out and did “guy stuff”. We were gonna go pick up some girls but the only ones he liked were real dogs so we decided against that. This year we’re watching stuff on Animal Planet. And eating apple treats. Getting old is wearing on both of us…

  • acat

    Devil in the details.

    Specifically, I will wager $10 that Obama is not the Dem nominee in 2012, reason not specified. (i.e. he retires, he resigns early, he loses the nomination, other misadventures…)

    I will get back to you with the charity of my choice, now that Moe Lane has a day job.

    Mew

  • azaeroprof

    I think your last parenthetical term is probably the best pearl of wisdom here. As you observed, the graph apparently includes some “off-budget” items, but we don’t know what those are. Are they something the governor has any say in? Are they entitlement mandated entitlement spending? It is quite possible that her budget numbers were as I found them to be, but overall expenditures went up independent of her decisions. Incidentally, that may also be the case in Indiana!
    Being a governor is quite a bit different from being president, and I would be willing to bet that 50 out of 50 states have continuously increasing state budgets. I would have trouble extrapolating to say that Palin or Daniels would not fight to repeal Obamacare or fight back against congressional spending just because they raised spending in their home states by some percentage. The issues and constituencies, not to mention Constitutional duties, are quite different. In the end, it will all come down to whose sincerity you trust.
    That said, the academic in me still wants the answers about the AK and IN budgets!!

  • renny

    and the GOP has a wonderful history that just needs reinvigoration. It is the party that ended slavery, saved the union, and has given the US the lengthiest periods of invention and prosperity. Never throw out the baby with the bath water.

  • Scope

    I looked into the AK budget numbers for several years, all the way back to the Knowles Governorship, more than a year ago. I also wanted to know how the numbers had changed, over the years, and why.

    The link provided by aesthete was a good one, but, you would have to read all of the Introductory statements, and, the notes to the budget info in order to know why and where the ups and downs happen from year to year. I believe AK adjusts their revenue projections twice a year, because their major source of revenue are on the taxes, rents, royalties from the oil companies. It all depends on the price per barrel of oil at any given time, which they state in most opening statements, are always volatile.

    For the 09 budget projection, Parnell’s economic team stated that petroleum revenue dropped by $4.7 billion, to 70% of all General Fund revenues. They also claim that, also contributing to the decrease in revenue were income and investment losses, due to the downturn in the economy. Who hasn’t suffered from that?

    Salazar also has an impact on AK oil drilling possibilities, with their moratorium on Outer Continental Shelf drilling in the Arctic sea, which will have a future impact on AK revenues, as, BP, I believe already had the drilling rights in the Artic sea, as well as some others. Parnell is suing the Government.

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2010/09/09/alaska-suing-alleged-drilling-ban/

    I came across an interesting article from 2007. I know it’s Fred Barnes, and the WS, but, not for the fluff of the article, but, I was a bit surprised at the name Andrew Halcro that comes up in the article. Remember that name being splashed everywhere during the Murkowski loss, and this guy looking into her running as a Libertarian? Apparently, if this article is correct, he was a gubernatorial candidate, it seems in the same year that Palin won the Gov. election. Interesting.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/content/public/articles/000/000/013/851orcjg.asp

    For archived AK state budgets-

    http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/archives/index.htm

    I suspect future AK budgets will be impacted by this years price per barrel, that has hovered around $75 per barrel, and on 9/22 was at $74 per barrel. For the 6 month revenue projection, they will surely adjust it up, as there are trigger points with the price per barrel, I believe starting at $40, but, when it crosses $70, it is much higher revenue earnings, and the state’s residents are then guaranteed higher annual checks. It does seem to be an odd practice, but, it is a part of the Alaska Constitution. They knew they were sitting on gold, and, the residents weren’t willing to just give it away.

    I guess when you have a state, that is so rich in fossil fuels, that was once referred to as Black Gold, you make sure you will benefit from that.

    Please look at the budgets for several years for comparison.

  • aesthete

    So can other states in the continental US. AK, HI, and our territories are just really weird and tough to compare to how the Federal government works. I think that, in many ways, you’re correct: it largely depends on how much you trust the candidate in question, and I’ll confess to being somewhat risk-averse about throwing an unproven candidate into the mix (Obama-like problems, learning curve, too many unknowns, etc). I think that, at the very least, we can say that most localisms are not as dwarfing as those in AK, and that most states in the US don’t have such a unique revenue scheme (about 95% of funding for AK is provided by oil revenues and the Federal government), given that most states are funded by sales and property taxes. Then there are the Indian tribes, and the fact that the Federal government sits on a lot of valuable AK land, has a base there, bosses AK around a lot, etc.

    In many ways, I think that people also miss on the area where AK can directly compare to other states and the federal government: civil liberties, regulation, and social issues. Given the spotlight on the growth of government, it is understandable that these issues have been left to the side. However, these liberties are just as important as growth of government and ensuing taxation: after all, a dollar isn’t worth much if it’s surrounded by red tape and when you’re living out your days in prison for speaking out against government. On these issues, I suspect that Palin might rate more favorably: my impression of her is not that of a “nanny stater”. The city she governed was in a region known as the “crystal meth capital of America”, and her favorable comments regarding marijuana decriminalization tells me that she is at least not averse to greater freedom. In essence, I wonder if Palin isn’t a “Denmark conservative”, to coin a term: someone not averse to large government, but who also believes that what money the government leaves you with should be used to your discretion. It would be interesting to see someone take a look at those three issues and how they fared under Palin as mayor and gov.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    which would be much more of a permanent fix going forward. Thousands of civil servants need to be fired and few replaced. The new GOP must not let the staff they inherit tell them how they must proceed. They must change the system itself.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    and so ends up bargaining before the bill is passed to agree to trade-offs. The line-item veto is not a panacea even if it were well-crafted.

  • budparker

    Here is a weird thought for a “Pledge.” What would happen if the Congress and the POTUS adhered to the Constitution; specifically the Tenth Amendment? It is not a complicated sentence nor difficult to comprehend. Apparently, it is remarkably restrictive to an out of control Federal Government.

    “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

    Imagine if all the unconstitutional laws and programs were instantly repealed! The budget deficit would vanish…

  • NHConservative0227

    You’re saying Glenn Beck has been criticizing Palin for overspending on the state budget?

    I haven’t seen much of his show over the last few weeks so I’m curious to know what he said. I do highly respect Beck as he has been right on the money on almost everything.

  • NHConservative0227

    Thank you both for taking the time to look into this issue in great detail. I simply don’t have the time to do so myself but I really do want to know the truth.

    I’ve like Palin alot and I know I’ve been defending her on here but I am by no means a Palinbot. I’m leaning towards supporting her if she runs but I’m keeping an open mind and will support the best candidate.

    She’s done a few things that have really irked me such as her endorsements of Ayotte, McCain, and Fiorina. My main defense of her is that I don’t think she deserves to be automatically written off before she even declares and the campaign starts.

    At the very least, I do want to know the truth and you guys have done a great job trying to uncover it.

  • NHConservative0227

    And I highly commend them both for it.

    I was disappointed in Rush to hear him support it with no criticism. As for Hannity, I knew he’d be waving the palm palm’s.

    On his radio show, Beck agreed with a caller that it’s ridiculous only to take spending back to 2008 levels. Like Beck said, maybe take spending back to 1808 levels!!

    Overall I agree with Erick, most of this stuff is things that the GOP should already be doing. It is pretty glaring that there is no pledge to ban earmarks, nothing about term limits, balanced budget amendment, etc.

  • NHConservative0227

    I already bet a coworker at work $50 that Obama does not get reelected too!

  • acat

    I, acat, agree to send $10 to the charity of NHConservative0227′s choice if Barack Hussein Obama is the Dem nominee for POTUS in 2012.

    You, NHConservative0227, agree to send $10 to the charity of acat’s choice if Barack Hussein Obama is not the Dem nominee for POTUS in 2012.

    Agreed.

    Mew

    p.s. and remember, it’s for charity.

  • NHConservative0227

    Feels strange to be *rooting* for Obama to succeed at anything but if he didn’t get the nomination it’d probably be more difficult for us to win.

  • acat
  • sailingaway

    Rand Paul’s new ad “Rand’s Plan” is 30 seconds long and only part of his agenda, but it has way more meat and is far more to the point than this ‘pledge’. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVorVi8gCJM&feature=player_embedded