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John Thune’s Tan Is Starting to Resemble Toast

Let’s be honest for a minute. John Thune is a great United States Senator from South Dakota. But the only reason people talk about him for President is because he’s a good looking guy in a city full of lesser looking people, is tall, and has an attractive wife.

Other than that his greatest accomplishments are doing nothing. But he gives a great talk about biennial budgeting, the topic of choice for establishmentarians who want to show a little leg.

The other day, Thune went on record dinging Jim DeMint for helping conservatives get elected. Thune also sided with Lisa Murkowski on her keeping her Senate seat.

Now comes word that Thune is doing zilch, zip, nada to help tea party backed Senate candidates.

In fact, in a review of Thune’s giving:

  • Thune’s PAC gave $10,000 to Shelby (appropriator with no real race) and $5,000 to earmarxist Trey Grayson, but nothing for Rand Paul (anti-earmarker in tough race), even post-primary.
  • His PAC gave $10,000 to Murkowski (earmarxist party traitor), but nothing to Joe Miller (anti-earmark primary winner).
  • His PAC gave both Crist and Rubio $5,000.
  • Thune’s PAC gave Jane Norton $5,000 but gave Buck nothing. Update: Thune has now given to Buck and will be doing a fundraiser for him.
  • His PAC gave earmarxist Bob Bennett $10,000 for a 100% safe GOP seat, but only gave $5,000 to the anti-earmark Pat Toomey who’s running in blue PA.

This guy has all the makings of a Presidential candidate . . . in an Aaron Sorkin drama for NBC. That’s about it. By every other measure he is toast.

Frankly, the talk about Thune 2012 is a greater commentary on the vapid nature of inside the beltway punditry and Senate egos than on his actual, factual chances. Need we roll the tape on Senate Republicans who’ve won the White House? Bob Dole will run the slide projector while John McCain serves crow.

COMMENTS

  • bk
  • Common_Cents

    All about looks and image for “sequels” (re-election), nothing to do with substance on what is good for the people.

    If I hear “looks presidential” about anyone, I’ll puke.

  • chihank

    People are touting Thune for President because they are looking for a fresh face instead of the 2008 retreads. I agree with the sentiment, but I don’t want Thune. He just another establishment Senator. Thune defended Murky keeping her seniority on the Energy Committe and called DeMint out for expressing unhappiness over the GOP leadership to let Murkowski keep her ranking committee position. If Thune really backs Miller, he should be demanding Murky to return the money and campaign for Miller and slam Murky.

    The AK Senate is a very important race for the Tea Party movement. Murky is running ads slamming the Tea Party movement. Also a possible Murky victory could encourage other RINOs to run as Indepedent if they lose the primary. Any GOPer that is aiding Murky, directly or indirectly, needs to be blacklisted.

    For those looking for a fresh face from the Midwest, try looking at Tim Pawlenty or Mitch Daniels.

  • proudgop

    Go Thune. I want a full discussion on 2012 presidential candidates but not until after the elections

    we have too much at stake to take our own down instead of the dems

  • smagar

    because he adds exactly ZERO electoral votes to the GOP column. (We already HAVE all three of South Dakota’s votes).

  • smagar

    If not…he shouldn’t start measuring the Oval Office drapes anytime soon.

  • deano64
  • chbroussard

    ..and not be so quick to crown the next Republican candidate for president. I remember when Scott Brown was elected in MA. For a few weeks, people were falling all over themselves about Brown as a presidential candidate. Then repeat the same thing with Chris Christie. Now, Thune. People need to take a little time and look at the actual records of these guys. If things continue in our favor for the next few weeks, Conservatives will make HUGE inroads. We don’t have to make rash decisions now, nor do we need to settle. Let’s see what happens over the next 10-12 months so we can pick the best candidate.

    John Thune for President……….not so quick.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil_truth

    Not a plug for Thune here – just hoping that by 2012 people will want a plain-talking President with real solutions, not more “hope and change” from a wannabe dictator.

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    and amen.

  • minister_of_war

    -nt-

  • JSobieski

    The purpose of being a Republican Presidential candidate in 2012 is not to make Romney look good. Thune is Romney without the executive experience.

  • Tbone

    than it took to elect Thune a Senator. He looks like he shops at the same Empty Suit store that outfitted Obama. The guy has never held a private sector job in his life. Remind you of anybody? Granted, he is clean and doesn’t speak with a Canadian dialect.

    Let’s see, this election cycle Thune has racked up how many favors around the Country in the Republican ranks? How does his total compare to say, Sarah Palin’s. LOL

    How many Tea Party candidates has he supported? How many Tea Party rallies has he been to? If anyone thinks the Tea Party isn’t going to a factor in the POTUS primaries they are either dopes or smokin’ it.

    Anyone seen his birth certificate? I bet he was really born in Winnipeg

  • fpete13527
  • JSobieski

    Thune is the epitome of the empty suit. Seriously, on what issue has he led?

  • Xasteius
  • minister_of_war

    Anyway, Erick -

    Your post did make me crack a smile. And thanks for the good info on Thune’s PAC contributions.

  • chihank

    Romney/Thune.

    Dick Wahmans managed Thune’s successful campaign against Daschle. Since then, Dick Wadhams managed George Allen in 2006 and the CO GOP party from 2008 to 2010 as the chairman. There are talks of Dick Wadhams will be moving out of CO to back to SD to manage Thune’s Presidential campaign. Given Dick Wadhams’s track record, Thune might implode by Iowa.

  • minister_of_war

    … I’ll be supporting him like he had me at hello. But that would be against the marxist who currently occupies the White House.

    Other than that, I’ll leave Erick’s questions of where Thune has his loyalties to speak for themselves. And I’ll just say: “ditto.”

  • WY_Cowboy

    my neck of the woods. Quite frankly, southern GOPers are just not getting the job done in terms of leading the conservative movement. They are great at preaching about Jesus, but they end up muddling Christianity with conservatism too much. Don’t get me wrong, the two are not mutually exclusive. I just can’t imagine Jesus would give two shakes over tax policy and American exceptionalism. Just sayin’ I don’t like my politics and religion mixing too much and western Republicans seem to do a better job of staying conservative and keeping the preaching reserved for Sundays.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am not lumping Thune in with us here in the west. He’s borderline, but more midwest.

  • partyof1

    But I’m liking Herman Cain more and more.

    as long as we’re on the subject

  • crosley

    For 2009, Thune has a 100% ACU rating for his votes as Senator. He has the same voting record as rock-ribbed conservative Senators like Coburn and DeMint.

    Looking at the other names that are being thrown around, I’ll take Thune.

    Mitt Romney? A Republican that signed into law ObamaCare 1.0 for Massachusetts. It’s been absolute trainwreck for the state. Huckabee? A pro-life version of Jimmy Carter that doubled his states spending. Sarah Palin? Too easy. Now will I take all of these figures over Obama? Of course, but our bench is not exactly stellar.

    Thune is a solid conservative in my view, and yes, having someone that’s telegenic on camera is actually very smart and something we should seek out, that was a big reason why Reagan was as effective as he was.

    There are no perfect candidates out there, but looking at our bench, I really don’t see candidate out there that puts Thune to shame, and I certainly don’t think Thune is a closet RINO because he gave money to moderate Republicans.

  • mikerazar

    Nobody is about to become the clear frontrunner for 2012. Has fund-raising for the “wrong” Republicans now moved to the headf of the important issues list?

    RedState has been an important player in the conservative awakening. but it will all become a footnote to history if we don’t elect our candidates next month.

    We have a nation to save, peopl

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • fpete13527
  • lineholder
  • jenniferjmilleresq

    We absolutely do NOT have to settle this time around.

  • chihank

    John Bolton said on Fox News that he would consider running for President. If Bolton does run for President, the Thune will have to answer for blocking Bolton for UN Ambassador to get more pork from Bush in 2005.

  • deano64

    recent Weekly Standard I think whould certainly talk about it.

  • http://www.viewfromstonewater.blogspot.com hrh40

    Erickson gives a list of Thunes PAC contributions.

    And his most recent positions in support of petulant bitter clingers, such as Murkowski.

    When does factual reporting become bashing?

    And if you saw Steve Hayes’ hagiography called “Dakota Dreams” in Weekly Standard than you’d already know that there are some Beltway Boys already starting the gravy train up for Thune.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    If Thune is literally a “Do-Nothing” as a legislator, then he jumps to the head of the pack in my book.

    I would just love to have a president like Calvin Coolidge who did nothing, and opposed everything, Good God we need that!

  • http://www.viewfromstonewater.blogspot.com hrh40

    But seriously, I guess you meant that she was easy to dismiss in 2012, which is actually more intellectually dishonest and cowardly than the sexual connotation.

    What do you want in a presidential candidate?

    Someone with executive experience? Palin has 10 years’s worth. Check

    Someone who has a record of cutting government spending and earmarks? Palin has done both. Check

    Someone who’s not afraid of the media? Check

    Someone who is effectively and simultaneously both going around the media and using them to get her point across? Check

    Someone who respects our military and has close ties to it through her time as CINC of Alaska’s permanently deployed National Guard, missile defense system, and crucial strategic position for our Pacific Rim operations? Who visited her troops in Kuwait and Kosovo, both times stopping to visit wounded soldiers in Germany? Who’s son served a one-year deployment in Iraq? Check

    Someone who’s not afraid to take on the Left? Palin’s accurate death panel assessment of Obamacare effectively set back its passage for 9 months. Check

    So.

    How again is Sarah Palin easy?

  • audax
  • JSobieski

    Reagan was very busy in 1981-88, he didn’t just sit on the ball.

  • JSobieski

    Thune seems good at one, and poor at the other.

  • LibertarianHawk

    Daniels 2012!!!

  • LibertarianHawk

    …is that he lacks for executive experience.

    And I think we’re finding out why we tend to elect people who have had extensive experience running things to the presidency.

    For me, that narrows it down to candidates like Romney, Pawlenty, and Daniels (and Christie, if we’re lucky enough for him to run). Palin has that, too — but I’m a skeptic.

  • minister_of_war

    Remember that Jim DeMint was a big & early Romney supporter in 2008.

    I’m still able to be swayed away from Romney & toward most other candidates – other than toward Mike Huckabee who is a complete phony. I won’t forget when Huckabee called those of us who supported border security & opposed giving illegal aliens instate tuitiion: “racists”. I also don’t plan on forgetting how he pardoned a future 4x cop killer & a rapist who went out & raped & killed somebody else. Huckabee’s begging to raise taxes won’t be too helpful for getting my vote either. I could go on.

  • pdawk

    But Palin isn’t half the things you put up there. Being mayor of Wasilla is not going to be taken seriously as executive experience. I also don’t consider it very executive like to quit in the middle of your term to chase book deals and speaking money.

    As all politicians in Alaska, she was a huge earmark supporter. I don’t really begrudge her that, but you can’t make the statement above without qualifying it.

    Having said that we can fight out the nominations later, lets win back Congress first.

  • Adjoran

    Ron Paul is one of the more prolific earmarking and pork-spending Republicans in Congress. His long standing practice has been to ensure all of his pork and earmarks are in the spending bills’ final versions, then vote “NO” (when overwhelming passage is assured) and brag how he “opposes spending.”

    Since Rand lacks a track record of his own, are you just taking him at his word?

    That would have been a big mistake with Daddy.

  • tskcoug

    Bobby Jindal 2012!

  • rdelbov

    comparing Bob Dole to John Thune because Dole actually had an amazing set of legislative accomplishments from 1981 to 1996. Yes he had the 4 years of ferrying Reagan Tax policies through the Finance committee but then he carried the legislative water for Reagan and Bush41 for 8 years. Then he fought Clinton tooth and Nail for 4 years. Bob Dole-love him or hate him-was a top 5 senate guy for 16 years. Top dozen or so more important senators in the last century. Bob Dole did all the heavy lifter for the Reagan budgets-tax plans-foreign policy moves–ditto for Bush41.

    He and Jack Danforth got Thomas confirmed by the skin of his teeth-high tech lynching and all.

    I know Erick’s point had to do with GOP senators getting elected President but Senator has massive accomplisments to his resume while John Thune just votes very very conservative.

    I also second the motion that discussion of 2012 Presidential races might wait until 11-03-2010

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Romney is incompetent when it comes to politics. Utterly, totally incompetent. And frankly, given his MA record, not much more conservative than BO.

    Right now we have THIS November to deal with. It would be a good idea to not waste our time on mental masturbation related to ’12 since we haven’t a clue what the Congress will look like for the next two years or what the real issues might end up being.

    But bottom line, anybody who had his/her name on a Presidential/VicePresidential ballot in 08 should go fishing in ’12.

  • shockdoctrine

    If Newt, Thune, Palin, Romeny, or Huckabee becomes the Republican nominee I am going to puke. They are all the same neocon establishment crap. Corporatists, if you will.

    We need to look for better candidates.

    Thanks for posting this.

  • kenchely

    The problem the Republicans have for 2012 is that while they have a host of exciting new faces, most of them won’t be ready for a Presidential run in 2016. By then, people like Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Kelly Ayotte, Nikki Haley, Susana Martinez, etc., will be ready for prime time.

    About the best prospect who’s not a retread for 2012 is Bobby Jindal. He had to recover from a lackluster national appearance rebutting Obama’s first State of the Union address, but seems to have refurbished his image since then, as one of very few people who looked like they knew what they were doing during the Gulf oil spill.

    Tim Pawlenty is a good man, but just doesn’t seem to have the oomph to be a strong candidate. Newt Gingrich is almost overwhelmingly brilliant, but is carrying more baggage than a 747–he’s our counterpart to the Clintons, who, whether one likes them or not, are terribly smart people but are just loaded with baggage (which is probably why the party pros ditched Hillary in favor of Obama in 2008). Rick Perry has made some statements along the way with which the press would have a field day; they’d have him painted as a nut case in no time–and it’s too recent that we elected a governor of Texas whose administration did not end happily. Jeb Bush? A last name people still aren’t too keen to hear.

    Thune’s too tied to the party’s establishment; he might win an election, but in office, no matter how conservative he might appear in his campaign, he would move to the center in no time. Think Nixon. Once he went to New York to meet Rockefeller in 1960, he was never again really a conservative.

    Lindsey Graham isn’t nearly as liberal as his reputation–but he’s not going to overcome that reputation with conservatives, and the base won’t fight for him. He’d be a powerful candidate; he was the best speaker in favor of the Clinton impeachment ten years ago. But he’s been far too willing to make deals on judicial appointments, and he’s burned some bridges that he would need for a Presidential run with that.

    The temptation on the Right will be to nominate Sarah Palin. That urge is understandable, because she is beloved among large segments of the conservative community, but it should be resisted. Almost no one who is not a movement conservative likes her; her negative poll numbers are over 50 percent, a pretty prohibitive number. 2012 is a year of opportunity; she would blow it big time, and another movement conservative would find it well-nigh impossible to get nominated in 2016.

  • kenchely

    The problem the Republicans have for 2012 is that while they have a host of exciting new faces, most of them won’t be ready for a Presidential run in 2016. By then, people like Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Kelly Ayotte, Nikki Haley, Susana Martinez, etc., will be ready for prime time.

    About the best prospect who’s not a retread for 2012 is Bobby Jindal. He had to recover from a lackluster national appearance rebutting Obama’s first State of the Union address, but seems to have refurbished his image since then, as one of very few people who looked like they knew what they were doing during the Gulf oil spill.

    Tim Pawlenty is a good man, but just doesn’t seem to have the oomph to be a strong candidate. Newt Gingrich is almost overwhelmingly brilliant, but is carrying more baggage than a 747–he’s our counterpart to the Clintons, who, whether one likes them or not, are terribly smart people but are just loaded with baggage (which is probably why the party pros ditched Hillary in favor of Obama in 2008). Rick Perry has made some statements along the way with which the press would have a field day; they’d have him painted as a nut case in no time–and it’s too recent that we elected a governor of Texas whose administration did not end happily. Jeb Bush? A last name people still aren’t too keen to hear.

    Thune’s too tied to the party’s establishment; he might win an election, but in office, no matter how conservative he might appear in his campaign, he would move to the center in no time. Think Nixon. Once he went to New York to meet Rockefeller in 1960, he was never again really a conservative.

    Lindsey Graham isn’t nearly as liberal as his reputation–but he’s not going to overcome that reputation with conservatives, and the base won’t fight for him. He’d be a powerful candidate; he was the best speaker in favor of the Clinton impeachment ten years ago. But he’s been far too willing to make deals on judicial appointments, and he’s burned some bridges that he would need for a Presidential run with that.

    The temptation on the Right will be to nominate Sarah Palin. That urge is understandable, because she is beloved among large segments of the conservative community, but it should be resisted. Almost no one who is not a movement conservative likes her; her negative poll numbers are over 50 percent, a pretty prohibitive number. 2012 is a year of opportunity; she would blow it big time, and another movement conservative would find it well-nigh impossible to get nominated in 2016.

  • mikerazar

    Let’s elect ten new GOP senators and 70 new Representatives.

    THAT would prove we are good at multitasking.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    The problems with any of the potential candidates you mentioned has nothing to do with their whatever-con. It has everything to do with their incompetence in governing.

  • capeconservative

    NO FORMER CANDIDATES!

    Let’s find some new blood – a governor who has proven that he/she knows how to GOVERN! A businessman/woman who knows how to meet a payroll! And definitely one who will decide to surround him/herself with people with EXPERIENCE – NOT academics who haven’t a clue as to how to make ends meet.

    Americans are tired of tightening their belts and living within their means and following the laws of our land while those in Washington continue to ignore the law-abiding and instead are doing their very best to take our hard-earned dollars and give them to those who have chosen to sit with their hands out, waiting for the next government check!

    The current president has NEVER left the campaign trail! He is supposed to be the president of the entire population of the United States of America!!!! I am sick and tired of him speaking ill of 50% (or more) of us.

    WE THE PEOPLE – citizens who LOVE America are NOT going to stand by idly while our country is destroyed!

  • Oz

    and then more follow.

    I agree with the moratorium or I’ll have to break out my [REDACTED] 2012 buttons.

  • constitutionalconservative

    There’s nothing terribly wrong with Thune, but there’s not much to love about him either. As Erick has noted, the love the political class has thrown his way seems utterly unmerited.

  • cordpt

    would anyone see Thune as qualified to run for POTUS. He’s always been a pork king. He was a great fit in the last republican majority.

    That said, he “also sided with Lisa Murkowski on her keeping her Senate seat”? Do you mean in the primary? Because lots of senators sided with Murkowski and the only major player endorsing Miller in the primary was Palin, I think.

  • Finrod

    .

  • shelbysbest

    As much as I admire and appreciate all the great strengths that Fred Thompson has and the solid, conservative principles he would bring to the Oval Office, he doesn’t want to run again. Fred’s too much of a realist and he doesn’t like to campaign. He’s been asked by many if he would consider it and he has said no every time. And, if he had to be drafted again, then he would have the huge hill to climb with getting rid of the “no fire in the belly” mantra. I know we have to move past the 2010 mid-terms to see who is going to run, but there is no one being mentioned that can fill the shoes of Fred Thompson.

  • graciegirl

    with her when she runs away with the early primaries because it’s been said that a huge number of conservatives just won’t run. That would be such a shame! We have so much talent coming up I would love to see them all at the debates showing off their ideas and intellect.

    I love Sarah Palin but I love her in the job she has. This time I DO want the smartest, most capable person in the room… on all levels.

  • graciegirl

    with her when she runs away with the early primaries because it’s been said that a huge number of conservatives just won’t run. That would be such a shame! We have so much talent coming up I would love to see them all at the debates showing off their ideas and intellect.

    I love Sarah Palin but I love her in the job she has. This time I DO want the smartest, most capable person in the room… on all levels.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I’ll have to clear it with him, but he’ll run away with it if chooses to.

  • minister_of_war

    …. but you’re probably wrong.

    In the end, we will be settling. There aren’t any good through & through conservatives who are even running.

    Wait!

    Maybe?

    Can we convince either Jim DeMint or Tom Coburn to run for President? Or possibly run together as a ticket?

    DeMint/Coburn 2012!

    I just made myself feel better. Problem is that it most likely ain’t gonna happen. I’d like either of them on the bottom of the ticket though.

    Romney/DeMint 2012! Still sounds pretty good.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil_truth

    Neocon actually is a meaningful term. Unlike what you’re used to in your usual environs, we don’t use it here at RedState just to mean someone we don’t like. (Same with “corporatist”)

    Hint: neoconservative has nothing to do with social conservatism – or more accurately, social conservatism is not the driving force behind neoconservatism.

    In other words, calling Newt et al. “neocons” says a lot more about your political illiteracy than it says about these folks.

    (And by the way, I don’t want these folks anywhere near the Presidency in 2012. Sarah is fine doing what she is doing, Thune is okay in the Senate, the other three I don’t want anywhere near a position of influence.)

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    Timmah- “I believe in man made global warming”- Pawlenty?

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    Thune is in now dead to me as the Father of Murkowski arrogance. His support only emboldened her. All the reat I find out backed her are dead to me as well.

  • minister_of_war

    the idea of Lindsey Graham as President ever again.

    It made me throw up in my mouth. Graham is far worse than anybody ever accused McCain of being.

    I’m still hoping that in order to fulfill his campaign promise not to run for more than one term in the US Senate, Senator DeMint instead decides to challenge Lindsey Graham for the seat that Graham currently occupies.

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    but he better start soon. He has a lot of work to do to make the run real.

  • chihank

    Don’t underestimate Huckabee’s ability to rally Christians to his side as God’s chosen candidate. Like Romney, Huckabee is building netwrok of support in early primary states. Huckabee’s plan is to exploit Mitch Daniels’s statement on having a “Truce with social issues.” Huckabee will attempt to portray the GOP establishment as having a secret plan to adopt a pro-gay marriage/pro-abortion agenda adn only he can protect the interests of American Christians.

    Watch Huckabee call for support of Constitional Amendements banning abortion, gay marriage, and implementing the Fair Tax as efforts to pander to Tea Party activists.

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    n/t

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    Charley Crist as Grahams VP. LOL!

  • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

    Frick… why do I stop in and look at these topics.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    She took three delegates at once from Romney.

  • http://www.viewfromstonewater.blogspot.com hrh40

    And all for national interest projects like the natural gas pipeline and the missile defense system.

    The year before she came in, the governor asked for 65 earmarks.

    Her last year she asked for 8.

    What executive experience does Thune have? And being mayor in some ways is the hardest job there is. Have you ever been involved in politics at the local level? It’s brutal.

    I notice you don’t detail “half the things” that Palin is not.

    That’s because everything I typed is true and verifiable.

    And you think what Romney did, essentially quitting as MA governor and running around the country setting up his presidential run is a good thing? Isn’t that what Pawlenty’s doing now?

    While still taking a salary from the tax payers?

    She was not a huge earmark supporter, which you would know if you did an ounce of homework.

    One of the reasons why she REALLY stuck her neck out for Joe Miller is that they are sympatico on opening up Alaska’s ability to drill so that they do NOT need fed dollars any more.

    She fought for that for 3 years as governor. And won many of the battles.

    I agree it’s all about congress now. I’m working here in CT to get some good conservatives, and sigh, some Rs just to break the Ds stranglehold in office. It’ll take a few cycles in CT to right the ship.

    But since this is a thread about 2012, I am going to say that I hope Sarah Palin runs – so that many of you can hear her debate and then actually go back and do some research.

    I suggest starting with the book, Sarah Takes On Big Oil, put out by the publishers of Petroleum News, Alaska’s energy newspaper.

  • crosley

    The best case to make for Palin in her stances on the issues, not her experience. Her “executive” experience (aka quitting two years in as Governor because of the pressure) is not what you want to highlight for why someone should lead the nation during such difficult times.

    And not every commentary that doesn’t tow the Palin line is sexist, some of these people are starting to sound like Gloria Allred.

    I hope our primary in 2012 isn’t bloody, and I hope the conservative base nominates someone who has the best chance to beat Obama, even if they aren’t ideologically perfect.

  • crosley

    I’m not sure how their style would do up against Obama, but I would love to see either one of them in the White House.

  • http://www.viewfromstonewater.blogspot.com hrh40

    Or effective executive experience?

    Because I hold Mitt Romney’s executive experience as Governor of Massachusetts as a mark against him.

    He left MA in terrible shape with Romneycare as his legacy.

    He knew he was unpopular and so cut and ran for his last year officially in office running around setting up his presidential run.

    Big. Black. X. for me.

    Huckabee’s also got 10 years of executive experience. But not very effective. So also a negative with me.

    Daniels and Pawlenty have effective executive experience.

    By all means, I hope they run in 2012.

    The more,, the merrier.

    It’ll toughen up whoever wins for the general election.

  • graciegirl

    I could live with Romney if he would disavow Romneycare.

    I know we have a number of conservatives who are not ready yet but the other side thinks we have nobody. I would like them to see and hear through the debate format who is up for the job…like Jindal!

  • graciegirl

    until I was reminded of all of those clemencies and how well that worked out. And doesn’t he have a few thics issues…that’s what friends in AR say.

  • http://www.viewfromstonewater.blogspot.com hrh40

    That’s ok. Keep underestimating her.

    In the primary debates, you and so many others here on Red State will actually listen to her and do some homework.

    I hope lots of people run.

    Primaries are what makes America exceptional. Most democratic societies around the world have party apparatchiks choose candidates.

    Only in America can anyone run, and may the cream rise to the crop.

    Iron sharpens iron.

    So competitive primaries actually are a big favor to the eventual winner, because they’re that much more seasoned and ready for the general election.

    If Palin doesn’t win the primary, fine.

    After people have heard her in the debates AND done copious amounts of research.

    But to continually dismiss her and say “I like her being the cheerleader” is really neanderthal.

    So women are only good at being the cheerleader to warm up the crowd for the big boys to play the game … still? Really?

    Sigh.

  • tacoslayer

    I like Fred….but he obviously doesn’t have the heart needed for a serious run for POTUS.

  • http://www.viewfromstonewater.blogspot.com hrh40

    are supported by Palin.

    In fact, many have said Palin may have made the difference in all 3 races.

    Rubio made his bed early on with Huck and Romney – and even when Palin was asked about him at the SLRC and she very publicly said “call me,” he obviously did not.

    And right after the Romney endorsement we got to behold Rubio defending Romney care.

    She’s much more than a cheerleader.

    Though the President does need to be a cheerleader for America domestically and internationally.

    Palin will have that covered in spades.

    Especially after the current malaise of the apologetic president …

  • tacoslayer

    I sincerely hope she is smart enough to realize it.

  • Tbone

    Thousands would die just listening to him speak. He couldn’t inspire coon hounds to hunt.

  • Tbone
  • johnm

    Thune is in danger of turning into another Charlie Crist, in more than just looks. If he has a problem with electing Conservatives, then something is wrong.

  • Tbone

    Anytime I see someone criticize Palin for resigning, I mark them down as a halfwit.

    Me, I have never been too keen on all these officeholders who seem to have no problem pulling a public paycheck while they run for another office.

    Are you OK with politicians who do that?

  • LDahl752

    but, why in the world would he want to subject himself to that ordeal again? The people weren’t ready or able to listen to the one true conservative in the race. And, if the “establishment” GOP chose to manipulate the primaries like they did in ’08 and have been doing again this year, what if there’s some moderate (like they preferred in ’08) they decide deserves the nomination. The powers that be wanted a “moderate,” decided it was McC’s turn, and that’s what we got.

  • tacoslayer

    No matter the reason…..that makes her a half governor.

  • chihank

    Just look at our 2010 primaries. The primary fights in the Senate races are quite heated. See the AK and DE race.

    In 2012, expect Romney supporters to cry anti-Mormon bias when people criticize RomneyCare. Also expect Huckabee supporters claim a vote for Jesus is a vote for Huckabee.

  • chihank

    Just look at our 2010 primaries. The primary fights in the Senate races are quite heated. See the AK and DE race.

    In 2012, expect Romney supporters to cry anti-Mormon bias when people criticize RomneyCare. Also expect Huckabee supporters claim a vote for Jesus is a vote for Huckabee.

  • http://www.moccasincreekminutemen.com VizBiz

    Just in case you missed it
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/dakota-dreaming

  • Scope

    I said he had a little mousy voice, meaning that his speeches inspire no one, and, I’m still being quoted for my opinion, about his “little mousy voice.” My meaning was that who ever is the next pres. needs to make a strong message, with a voice that matches those strong words.

  • bobbymike

    As a free market conservative I don’t look to any leader as “being there for me” and if they quit I don’t think, “now what I am to do…. how will I live.”

  • bobbymike

    was that he stood for modernizing the land based leg of the nuclear deterrent. But of course he has Minuteman III missiles in his state.

    Out of that, however, no Presidential gravitas is present.

  • Tbone

    because she has been kicking some serious Republican squish ass ever since.

    Now pull up your sissy, little boy socks and stop whining about non-issues just because a strong, successful woman makes you feel inadequate.

  • texasgalt

    They loved McCain in 1999. Nuff said?

    Did I mention I quit reading it in 1999? :-)

  • tacoslayer

    She took an oath to serve as Governor of Alaska.
    She did not complete her obligation.

    Regardless of your opinion about what is “right”….those are the facts.

    I think those facts make her unelectable. That is just my opinion.

  • tacoslayer

    You can huff and puff all you want.

    The fact is that she quit in the middle of her term.

    That isn’t going to go away.

    Regardless of your inane generalizations….
    LOL

  • Tbone

    that they think people would vote for Mr. Peepers. Daniels couldn’t gather a crowd if he was driving the lunch wagon at an industrial park.

  • ericc

    I had been previously sympathetic to a Thune run for POTUS, but not anymore. Thanks for sharing this information. Now I want DeMint to run even more than I did already.

  • jenniferjmilleresq

    I love DeMint (he’s my home town Senator), but what is so all-fired wrong with Palin 2012? DeMint is focused like a laser on the Senate right now. Palin is focused on 2010. They are not career politicians as every last one of the other contenders mentioned here are. I would love either of them. My sense is that there is a little embarrassment on the part of some that Palin does not sound or look as elite or pseudo-intellectual as she should. That is no substitute for character and substance.

  • jenniferjmilleresq

    You are SO right.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And a good bomb thrower.

    As a chief executive, not so much. Not to mention the inherent cowardice in quitting and running away when faced with an ethics charge that: 1-she could have made to away with a single phone call to the AG; and 2-the left will absolutely ram up her ramparts if she announces for POTUS.

    Neither “strong” or “successful” are adjectives that apply well to Palin. Michelle Bachman maybe or maybe – in a few years – Nikki Haley. Palin is the perfect example of the Peter Principle.

  • Adjoran

    Which is why I am sounding alarm bells about the lunatic fringe sneaking in and trying to co-opt the Tea Party movement for their own ends. Libertines and Buchananites could never ever ever get more than about 1% support on the basis of their sick ideas, but by pretending to be the vanguard of the Tea Parties, they hope for an aura of legitimacy they do not deserve.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Let’s look at the archives.

    Screaming about neocons: check.
    Babbling about elites: check.
    Acting like he doesn’t know that Cantor and Boehner are up for election this year: check.

    Shoo, moby.

  • aesthete

    would say: everyone knows that “facts” and “reason” are just tools of the patriarchy!

  • mikerazar

    Jim deMint should be “dead to us” (what a horrible metaphor lifted from one of the great anti-heroes of cinema) because he was an early, enthusiastic supporter of Romney. I guess DeMint’s opposition to Obamacare is just a cynical ploy, since apparently he supported Romneycare.

    Do I believe any of that.? Emphatically, NO. But just what is the standard on whether to ignore prior endorsements?

  • GopTiger

    I guess having a 100% ACU rating means you are “part of the establishment”.

    I guess actually hosting a fundraiser for Buck means you are “part of the establishment”.

    I guess a man warning that if the GOP doesn’t follow Tea Party principles, it will rightfully be toast is “part of the establishment”.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/122147-thune-third-party-likely-if-gop-strays-from-principles

  • voxoreason

    This guy is an attractive candidate on several levels, but…

    While the American Conservative Union (their ratings page – with winners and losers – is at: http://www.conservative.org/congress-ratings/2009-acu-ratings-senate-standouts – a useful page to bookmark) gives the guy a 100 for ’09, the piece above speaks volumes about the guy… and it’s not flattering.

    Personally, I think it’s too early to be locking in a choice for ’12… but I’m not really interested in retreads from ’08 who lost to McCain… nor McCain himself for that matter (fair weather friend or not).

    Mitch Daniels, however, has been on my radar since George Will gave him a bump with a predictive column about President M Daniels as Obama’s successor. Still, the ’12 elections are a bridge I’ll jump off of when I come to it.

    Obama is, of course, delusional in thinking that he can relive ’08 and simply talk his way out of the mess he has so “effectively” created for himself. (Of course, Hillary didn’t help herself with her hideous Heidi hairstyle… and this fulfills my alliteration quotient for the next 37 hours. Note to Hill: outsource to Bill… ASAP! Perhaps mend fences with Dick Morris, if only for the entertainment value of such a mismatch.)

    You can fool all of the people some of the time…

  • acat
  • acat

    Also, they’re *senators* – minimal executive experience, remember?

    They’re great in the Senate, and the Senate is where we need ‘em! There’s plenty of non-Senate-rock-stars out there who can run for POTUS.. If DeMint or Coburn have greater aspirations, let ‘em try for Governor first.

    Mew

  • acat

    Having already gone a few rounds with the Palin supporters, I’ll try to use simpler words this time.

    Quitting matters.

    Mew

  • acat

    And can he prove it by a public endorsement of Miller?

    Recall, cordpt, that at this point the old boys club in D.C. have decided that Lisa M. may keep her current job while trying to win a very long-shot write-in election.

    If Thune has a hand in that, then he’s hardly stopped supporting her.

    Show me I’m wrong, eh?

    Mew

  • acat

    ACU ratings are pretty meaningless since the ballsy part of legislating, the part that *matters* isn’t the vote, it’s the haggling before the vote that actually writes the legislation.

    If Thune wants to be taken seriously, he has to get out of the middle of the road.

    Mew

  • JSobieski

    Thune has 0 exective experience and really seems to be Romney 2.0 without the executive experience. Moreover, Thune has all the characteristics of someone who slides left continuously once the heat is turned up a notch. His choices of political support reveal who he is, and it isn’t the agent of change any of us are really looking for.

    If Thune runs and survives more than 1 state, its a sign that the Republic is destined to sink into a deep dark hole.

    I would humbly suggest that attributes like hair, voice, etc. play a secondary role in who the next leader of the free world is to be. I realize that these secondary attributes may be of relatively greater importance to some, but we do have a country to save here.

    Thune is far better suited to play the President of the US in some movie than he is to hold the job in real life. Yes, I fully acknowledge that his hair, voice, and charisma are Hollywood-esque….

  • JSobieski

    Are we talking Presidential candidates or contestants for America’s Got Talent?

    If someone made a negative comment about Palin’s voice, they would be characterized as a sexist, or someone who couldn’t “handle” a strong independent woman.

    If someone makes a negative comment about a male candidate’s voice, its what? Substantive policy discussion?

    Tbone, I would love it if you were the swing vote for the country. But since you are not, we prepare for elections with the voters we have, not the voters we wish we had.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    that trying to talk about facts and the use of reason and cognitive skills when dealing with a Palinista is a little like like showing an Islamist a funny cartoon with Mohammad in it.

    Both groups use the same level of reasoning skills.

  • aesthete

    Palin has been in politics for about 18 years now; DeMint has been serving in some capacity for 12 years now. That they (especially DeMint) are relatively good career politicians has no bearing on the fact that they are, in fact, career politicians by definition.

    Agreed on the character and substance bit, which is why I’d like to see a little more of those traits from Palin than I have currently seen.

  • aesthete

    is when any candidates’ supporters compare their candidate to Obama. Talk about tripping over a low bar.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908
  • acat

    The Palin supporters, the Jindal supporters, the Thune supporters, the “I Like Newt, no wait Brown, no wait, Christie” folks…. they’ve all been here blowing their array of horns for quite a while… and we’re still on track (if we don’t slack off) to pick up the House and several Governorships – and the Senate isn’t out of reach.

    Let’s not slack off. I agree with Mike Razar on that.

    That doesn’t mean we can, let alone should, ignore the Elephants and RINOs in the room, though. Erick makes a valid point – Thune is clearly looking at a run, but he has some major issues, and it may be better for all concerned (and certainly better for Thune’s ego and bank account balance) if he stays where he is.

    Mew

  • acat

    Last go ’round, Huck was the most serious candidate still running after Romney dropped out, so a lot of the “Anybody But McCain” people voted for him for various reasons.

    I’m not worried about President Huckabee.

    Mew

  • acat

    Maybe.

    Mew

  • aesthete

    God help us if someone like Thune/Romney/Huckabee/Palin and the rest of the populist/charisma crowd becomes President.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Any of them will simply be the harbinger of TheWon’s second term.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil_truth

    …than tripping over a low bar.

  • Scope

    in NJ, teachers and state government workers. He is showing many what brass ones are like when standing up against the thugs that have broken the budgets of many states. The biggest problem I have with Christie is that he is a greenie. Cap and Trade is a losing proposition for any serious Republican looking at the presidency. During Christies campaign, he was supported by the largest Environmental group in NJ. They had not backed a Republican in something like 30 years before that. Christie just gave millions to the NJ Environmentalists in NJ to promote off shore wind energy, and solar energy. He is pushing for Green jobs. He opposed the building of a coal fired plant in Linden. He took authority away from the Public Utilities people in NJ, and, gave the authority over to the Environmentalist. As with many others, Energy is a major issue for me. I do not want a supporter of the EPA, and all of the Environmental groups in the WH.

  • Scope

    There was an article at The Hill in which several House Republicans say “he will likely launch a bid for higher office.” One said he believes Pence will dip his toe into the water of the 2012 presidential election. Some others think he may run for the IN Governor’s seat that Daniels will be leaving.

    http://thehill/homenews/house/120719-pence-is-likely-to-seek-higher-office-say-fellow-republicans

    Mike Pence gave a speech at Hillsdale College in September. The speech was on the role of the American President. It is a knock your socks off speech. Here is the transcript.

    http://www/spectator.org/archives/2010/09/20/hillsdale-speech-on-the-presid

    One of the problems that some have with Pence was with his “alternative immigration plan” that he proppsed at the time of the Kennedy/McCain immigration debacle. Some called it “stealth amnesty.” He was interviewed not long ago by John Hawkins at Right Wing News, and, John asked him about his current position on immigration. This is what he said-

    _____________________

    Now let’s go into a few other areas here. You’re very well liked by the base in general, but your immigration plan — there are quite a few people that weren’t exactly excited about that one. Of course, that was awhile back, so I just want to ask you: Some politicians have changed how they feel about the issue; how about you? How do you think we should be handling illegal immigration today?

    Well, I think the issue of proposals that we brought forward with Senator K. Bailey Hutchison four years ago continue to be a source of enormous satisfaction to me. I simply believe that some day down the road we can find an intersection between the rule of law and the deep compassion of the American people — but in the intervening years, what’s become clear to me is that we must focus on border security and internal enforcement first.

    I think that the American people have understandably grown so frustrated by a failure to secure our borders and a failure to enforce our laws in this country that the possibility of introducing any kind of a new guest worker program, where people could come into the country and work for a period of time and be able to return home, is frankly not possible today.

    We have to restore the confidence of the American people in our commitment to border security and our commitment to internal enforcement. Then and only then do I believe that we could have a thoughtful debate over how we could meet the needs of our economy going forward.

    For me amnesty was then and remains completely off limits. I just think it is wrong to, you know, grant amnesty to people whose first act in this country was a violation of our law. But I continue to believe that if the day came that we restored public confidence in our commitment to secure borders and internal enforcement, that we could have a national discussion, a national debate, and come up with national solution to meet our needs with a 21st century guest worker program…

    Pence voted against many of Bush’s bills including, Medicare Part D, No Child Left behind, and TARP. He is a FISCAL HAWK, MUCH LIKE pAUL rYAN.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Huck and Palin will immolate each other…

  • cordpt

    as requested:

    Political Animal
    Miller shows off national endorsements, asks Murkowski to endorse him
    Joshua Saul | Sep 9, 2010

    “It’s just validating the idea that wherever you are in the U.S., once the primary has been held that’s the decision that’s been made,” said Randy DeSoto, Miller’s spokesman.

    (…)

    DeSoto also said Miller has also been endorsed by U.S. Sen. John Thune and U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann (South Dakota and Minnesota.)

    Source: Alaska Dispatch
    http://www.alaskadispatch.com/blogs/political-animal/6748-miller-shows-off-national-endorsements-asks-murkowski-to-endorse-him

  • cordpt

    I doubt a President McCain would allow the crazy spending and the expansion of the federal government we assisted during the Bush Administrations. Plus, he’d have managed the wars correctly from the beginning.

  • Tbone

    Yep, I am sure I must have price.

  • Duke

    I live everyday with this same nagging little thought in the back of my head: Where’s the 2012 candidate? The Huckster’s old hat, Romney’s out, and if I see McLame one more time on the tube sitting next to a “Tea Party” candidate with his dopey little grin I’m gonna puke! Sitting alongside a conservative doesn’t wash off the smell of Feingold and Kennedy. Actions always count more than words.

    Where’s the New Reagan candidate for 2012? And Jeb, please stay home! They need you more in Florida than in DC.

  • Tbone

    You would be the only halfwit left, and the ugly half at that. LOL

  • Tbone

    Matchstick vs Plasma Cutter.

  • Scope

    We’d already have Cap and Trade, and every illegal would now be legal, including those walking across the border today and tomorrow. Didn’t he say the illegals were all God’s children too? Wouldn’t that be “crazy spending” and a “wild expansion of the federal government”? You are probably correct on the wars though.

  • Scope

    there or off the road completely. Just because he pays taxes on the whole road, it doesn’t mean he can drive on any part of it anytime he wants. This isn’t Europe, here if we want to stay out of trouble, and avoid crashes, we stay to the right.

  • texasgalt

    since those meanies down there in SC put it to the Straight Talk Express. . . a man 8 yrs later totally stymied by a simple question about the houses he and his sugar-mommy own.

    He’d have made as pathetic a nominee back then as he did in ’08. We would have had President Gore. Perhaps he could manage a war better than a presidential campaign but now he’ll just have to be satisfied that . . .

    He got his turn.

  • JSobieski

    With respect to Thune, there is far more than one data point that is disappointing.

    Pointing out that everyone has flaws is a straw man argument. However, at some point, the aggregate body of work places someone in Lindsey Graham territory. Not saying that Thune is at that point, but he does seem to give a lot of money to establishment GOP candidates, and Thune hasn’t exactly been a leader in the Senate.

  • acat

    Doesn’t make me a Thune fan, but at least he had the sense to recognize that the Alaska primary is over.

    Too bad Murcowsky doesn’t have that much sense.

    Mew

  • chbroussard

    Just flipped on the TV to CNN (which I only do on rare occasions) and guess who Wolf Blitzer is interviewing about plans to run for President….none other than John Thune! As I mentioned in an earlier post on another topic, I said to beware of who the liberal media starts pushing as the best Republican candidate (just like they did with John McCain).

    Buyers beware.

  • acat

    Use of plasma cutter in inflammable atmosphere is contra-indicated.

    Mew

  • cordpt

    As I’ve said, I’m very far from being a Thune fan.

    I just don’t think it makes sense to misrepresent his positions.

  • cordpt

    In 2000, he wouldn’t be carrying the drag of one of the most unpopular and inept administrations in the modern American history around his neck. I think he’d have won comfortably.

  • cordpt

    Immigration – his position was similar to Bush’s. Why the different outcome? (and aren’t the illegals all God’s children too? Every human being is, even the worst criminals.)

    Cap and Trade – there is no reason to expect the congress would have been any more successful than it was.

    In fact, considering that the wrong management of the wars + the out-of-control spending were major factors in tarnishing the GOP brand and allowing a Dem majority in congress, I’d say a cap&trade (and an amnesty) would be less likely had McCain won in 2000. Probably not even the Waxman-Markey Bill would have passed.

  • cordpt

    He has expressed support for an earmark ban, but cheap is talk and I wouldn’t be surprised if he had supported his father’s disingenuous position on earmarking in the past, considering how close from an ideological perspective they’ve always been,

  • graciegirl

    Palin has both of those. And guts and grit and common sense. She has no problem standing up to the good old boys.

    I truly do not want her but its hard to put into words, one of those you know it when you see it situations. Every time I see Liz Cheney talk about foreign affaris on FNS I am mesmerized at her depth of knowledge and ability to pull enormous issues together to succinctly explain her opinions. I think she is one of the brightest women of our time.

    Michele Bachmann has guts, determination and so much energy plus she seems so intuitive, she is early on many issues. With Palin I feel like I am hearing the same old stump speeches so I guess it is her intellect that I doubt. JMO of course.

    It feels like our country is at one of it’s most serious crossroads. I cannot visualize Palin handling the foreign problems that wimp Obama is leaving us with his non support of Israel having emboldened our enemies. Fiscal issues. Again Obama has us in a disastrous mess. Cannot see Palin figuring out how to fix what so many have failed at!

    And I do have a problem with her not completing her job. They were putting her through hell but it had to be kindergarten compared to the Presidency.

    I realize DeMint is needed right where he is but cannot help loving him. Anybody studied Jindal’s bio and/or really listened to him talk??

  • graciegirl
  • cactusjack

    the President must be a walking talking demi-god who does everything him/herself. First principle of good management, get good people around you and manage them, don’t try to do Carter-like micromanagement of everything on earth inclouding parking meters operation in DC (which he actually did). I know two good guys (Ike and Reagan) who understood this principle and one bad guy (FDR) who did as well. If Palin gets a good national security team around her there is no reason she could not see her way through things. Thank God JFK took the team approach to working through the Cuban Missile Crisis with his ExComm, rather than trying to do a one man band thing and run e everyone off. By the way, Palin did not say she could see Russia from her house, but at its closest, Alaska is about 14 miles from Siberia. She was kind of right…..and this principle applies to anyone on our side who should run.

  • acat

    Seriously?

    Mew

  • acat

    but I could be happy with Candidate Pence as well…

    Hmmm. Cain/Pence.

    Mew

  • acat

    Hopefully, this time we’ve learned to ignore them.

    Mew

  • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

    And never sponsored state-run, mandatory health care.

  • sapwolf

    Palin’s accomplishments as governor in ONLY 2.5 years:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/35447297/Governor-Palin-s-Accomplishments

    She has 10 years of EXECUTIVE experience.

    When asked in the primary about quitting, she’ll simply state the truth like this:

    “I resigned because of frivolous ethics complaints filed through a loophole in Alaska’s laws that enabled opponents of my Administration to pin down over 80% of the time of government workers, force me to spend my own money to defend myself while governor, and cost the state over two million dollars. Since I finished EVERY major objective of my first term early, and knowing these attacks were because of me, I stepped down to allow the Executive branch to function properly and then stepped UP and took the fight NATIONALLY against the most leftist President and administration in US history knowing full-well that it may destroy my political future. There are other things more important than me, including my state and my country and I chose to STAND UP and do something about it.”

    The GOP candidate will have to have three things to defeat Obama:

    1) Convictions – Sarah is THE Common-Sense Constitutional Conservative

    2) Courage – She is fully-vetted and there is ZERO dirt on her. She has run the media gauntlet and is stronger. She is FEARLESS. And, has the guts to actually try to REDUCE the size of the federal government. No other GOP national level possibility has the GUTS with the possible exception of Chris Cristie who has already said he is not running. DeMint is not running for President either.

    3) Charisma – She will fire the base and is in a perfect position to fuse together the GOP and the TPM. She is the Anti-Obama in far more ways than any other. Although people clain she is polarizing, she is LESS polarizing than Obama.

    She only needs to win six states including IN, OH, VA, NC, FL + one from the following – CO, NV, NM, NH, IA, WI.

    A Palin/West ticket will defeat Obama if the economy is still bad and we are still bogged down in Afghanistan.

    Thune? Get real! Like Pawlenty he is afraid of his own shadow. The last thing we need is another elitist dork who is out-of-touch with the people.

  • http://www.2010blog.net jsanzone

    But the tea party’s only actually-elected candidate so far is the biggest RINO in the Senate.

    Not that you’re speaking for the tea party, but I think it’s clearly a huge factor in 2012 presidential politics.

  • Flagstaff

    and you should know it:

    “not much more conservative than BO.”

  • tacoslayer

    Romney Derangement Syndrome does seem to have a disturbingly high incidence rate here at RS.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    to pass a government controlled healthcare system. Both enlarged the governments they were responsible to manage.

    Is Romney the Socialist that BO is? No. Is he better qualified to run the US government? Also no.

  • Flagstaff

    “[Romney] put [himself] on the line to pass a government controlled healthcare system. Both enlarged the governments they were responsible to manage.”

    Romney worked with the state legislature of Massachusetts to pass a much less expansive “health care” insurance plan for that state than what Obama has done. They were going to pass something, with or without him, even over his veto. It was done with the approval of the people of the state, not against their will. AFAIK, it wasn’t unconstitutional, and didn’t include unrelated tax issues. And it wasn’t 2500 pages long (again, AFAIK).

    Now, we may not like MassCare in principle, but the people of Massachusetts haven’t disliked it enough to repeal it, in contrast to ObamaCare, which the voters of the USA are getting ready to give the Republican Party a mandate to repeal–if only the ‘Pub Party will recognize that. It seems to me that to blame a Republican Governor for trying to make the best of a bad situation is OK, but has only that small bit of applicability to the national scene.

    If Mitt Romney had been elected President in 2008, we would not have ANY national health care monstrosity in place today, nor would we have the current take-over of Chrysler, GM, or the banking system deformation to deal with. That’s my belief, anyway. Not yours, though.

    “Is he better qualified to run the US government? Also no.”

    Again, that statement is nuts.

  • Flagstaff
  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And I’m saving the arty for the primary.

    I will say however, that Romney is one of the three left over Rs who I would rate as “Most Unqualified” for 12.

    Now is not the time for that argument. Now is the time to elect a R House and Senate.

  • mikerazar

    Every potential candidate comes with a balance sheet. We have to weigh the good and the bad. All too often it seems that it comes down to —-, if we like someone we forgive many flaws; if not, a single mistake is disqualifying.

    I know next to nothing about Thune’s qualification or desire to be president. But I do know it is a waste of time to argue aboutnow.

    We have a nation to save, people.

  • JSobieski

    Thune in 2012 is just such a weed

  • JSobieski

    Thune in 2012 is just such a weed

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    “It’s never too early to have a little nip” And then I went and poured me a glass of scotch.

  • JSobieski

    nt

  • mikerazar

    Now there’s an app I would pay for.

  • JSobieski

    Seriously, your view of McCain is from some alternative universe.

    McCain opposed the good parts of the Bush agenda (aka tax cuts), supported things Bush didn’t (cap & trade), and didn’t fight Bush on the bad things (amnesty, prescription drugs, no child left behind).

    McCain is and was always a Bob Dole clone who was less of a team player and harder to get along with.

  • JSobieski

    The R failed to oppose Bush on prescription drugs and no child left behind BECAUSE they were of the same party.

    Congress would have buckled on Cap & Trade after McCain started using the bully pulpit to sell it. Remember, McCain was always more aggressive in attacking his own party then he ever was when attacking democrats.

  • cordpt

    Immigration and cap’n'trade? I think so, McCain is extremely stubborn. Why would it matter?

  • cordpt

    It’s one of those things just too damn costly for too many representatives to vote for.

    Anyway, I doubt McCain would make the environment a big part of his agenda as POTUS, especially after 9/11. He was always opposed to Kyoto and before 2000 he’d usually vote on defunding “alternative energies” programs. He became more in favour of government intervention later on, as another way of strengthening his maverick bona fides.

  • cordpt

    As even Greg Mankiw, the man who designed the tax cuts, admitted later on, he was right.

    Those are the red meat issues. In the end, there’s a lot of government spending – from the farm subsidies to the energy bills – that it’s equally vital to tackle down, in my view.

    Anyway, you have your facts wrong. McCain voted against the prescription drugs. He was one of the only nine republican senators who were conservative enough to vote against it. Yeah, to me being less of a team player when we’re talking about the kind of robbery of taxpayers money was actually a good thing.

  • JSobieski

    It was right up there with McCain-Feingold as shining examples of how McCain could prove that he could reach across the isle.

    Cap & Trade is dead now because of the economy, but in 2003 or 2004? Especially to keep up support for the war, McCain is exactly the kind of guy who would have pushed Cap & Trade.

    McCain-Feingold was fantasy . . . until it wasn’t

  • cordpt

    The erosion of the support for the war was merely a consequence of the gross incompetence managing the war – McCain was the first to point out that incompetence and the strategic and tactical mistakes being made.

  • JSobieski

    As I recall, McCain didn’t want to go in with fewer than 350,000—a totally unrealistic number. Maybe we would have fought neither war?

    You presume much about McCain. You also put in way to much confidence and trust in the man.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    would have done. He seems the most mercurial of politicians, and with his huge ego he might have been convinced that anything he does will work.

    I don’t think he is very stable.