I have told you this before and I will tell you this again. Unless you elect Pat Toomey, Marco Rubio, Ken Buck, Ron Johnson, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Sharron Angle, and Joe Miller, we will never see Obamacare repealed.
Senator Judd Gregg is up today saying that repeal is not recommended.
Sen. Judd Gregg (N.H.), the top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, said that repealing the new healthcare reform law — or looking to defund it — were not good options.
“I don’t think starving or repealing is probably the best approach here,” Gregg said on the Fox Business Network. “You basically go in and restructure it.”
Here’s the thing — Senate leadership staff will say this is just Judd Gregg, who is retiring, and not reflective of the Senate GOP leadership. There is a problem though.
In the past several weeks, there have been several closed door, off the record meetings of high dollar donors getting briefings from various elected officials, including several Senators. In each case the donors have been “reassured” by the Senators present that they have no intention of repealing Obamacare, just restructuring it.
The Senators seemed to think the high dollar donors were not kooks like those tea party activists and would understand the practical need to just “restructure” instead of “repeal.” Unfortunately, the Senators have badly misread the donors.
In any event, you can be sure that Judd Gregg is not speaking out of turn and is not a lone wolf on this issue. His view reflects that of the Senate GOP leadership despite their protestations to the contrary.
Again, if you haven’t sent money to Joe Miller, Sharron Angle, Ken Buck, Pat Toomey, Rand Paul, Ron Johnson, Mike Lee, and Marco Rubio, you better. Repeal of Obamacare depends on them.
UPDATED: It is worth noting that neither Mitch McConnell nor Lamar Alexander have signed on as co-sponsors to Jim DeMint’s legislation that would repeal Obamacare.
Jeff Emanuel
Neil Stevens
And Christine O'Donnell and John Raese....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 10:39AM EDT (link)because that is a FULL compliment of Conservatives to FORCE the RINO’s to get in line!
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Rove and company who derided Christine
mdd1956 Wednesday, October 20th at 9:49AM EDT (link)and done everything in their power to see she was not elected, are the same entrenched GOP bunch who will resist repeal.
It's all futile
kenchely Wednesday, October 20th at 7:27PM EDT (link)So this is going to be like the “impeachment” of Bill Clinton. The Republicans are really playing the same tune as the Democrats, just in a different key. You can elect any of these guys you want; there won’t be more than maybe 35 senators in favor in repealing this monstrosity because most of the Republicans are bought, too.
And I gave Republican candidates money this year. I’m a disabled veteran. I feel sick. I could have saved my money, because no matter what happens this year, the Democrat program continues. Maybe they’ll cut a few pennies from what the Dems passed, but it will be the same horror. Under one pretense or another, the socialists win and the government continues to grow. The Republicans just want the people who make over $250,000 to pay a little less of the burden.
It's all futile
kenchely Wednesday, October 20th at 7:27PM EDT (link)So this is going to be like the “impeachment” of Bill Clinton. The Republicans are really playing the same tune as the Democrats, just in a different key. You can elect any of these guys you want; there won’t be more than maybe 35 senators in favor in repealing this monstrosity because most of the Republicans are bought, too.
And I gave Republican candidates money this year. I’m a disabled veteran. I feel sick. I could have saved my money, because no matter what happens this year, the Democrat program continues. Maybe they’ll cut a few pennies from what the Dems passed, but it will be the same horror. Under one pretense or another, the socialists win and the government continues to grow. The Republicans just want the people who make over $250,000 to pay a little less of the burden.
Gregg is worse than Obama given that Obama repealed (waived) it last week for
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 10:49AM EDT (link)many companies. NO ONE IS RUNNING on ObamaCare but Harry Reid. The nation abhors it, yet Gregg wants to merely tweak it? Astoundingly stupid and tone deaf. We must send tea partiers to Congress to fix the GOP and USA.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
There must've been a reason
merryj1 Tuesday, October 19th at 10:57AM EDT (link)that Obama nominated Judd for Commerce Secretary, even though he diluted the influence of that post. He must’ve had a reason to believe Judd is a RINO who would see things his way.
Couple of solid political reasons.
The_Gadfly (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:36PM EDT (link)First, it was right after the election and The Big 0 was riding high on the “conservatives are dead” wave. If Gregg had taken the position it removes a high power player from the Republican playing field. The hope is you replace him in the special election which follows.
Second, if he signs on, he has to back your policies to some extent. That gives the LSM the “bipartisan” mantra to repeat to the drones.
Lastly, as you noted they removed the only item that might have made it a desirable position from the responsibilities list: census count. So when the politics-world-wise Senator from NH turns you down, you still get “they’re all obstructionist” mileage out of it anyway.
The Big 0′s attempt to appoint Gregg doesn’t make Gregg a RINO. He’s doing that all by himself.
tea party mention
jollygiantsd (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 11:14AM EDT (link)The REAL problem is that these scam artist Dems are running on the Tea Party ticket in order to swipe votes away from the real Republicans and people that can actually make a difference.
Here in Florida we have 2 offices with people running as TEA Party:
1) (Senate Dist2) Chris Crawford which was a Democrat long before this Tea Party phenomenon happened.
2) (Commissioner of Agriculture) We also have Ira Chester which is a Democrat, has close ties and has donated and helped Democrat Scott Maddox.
In both cases they are literally Democrats running under the Tea Party ticket in order to steal votes from the opposing Republican, and in Crawfords case, trying to run when there is no Democrat opponent in a district that has a 2:1 ratio of REP to DEM which is VERY dangerous.
Get the broom ready for 2012...
merryj1 Tuesday, October 19th at 10:53AM EDT (link)…starting November 3. A good place to begin (in the Senate) seems like the bunch who left Lisa Murkowski’s committee posts intact in a behind-closed- doors huddle. That would be the same bunch trying to undermine and neutralize Jim DeMint. Is anyone taking names?
Yeah, you bet your redacted names are being taken to prepare for the kicking of their radacteds
texasgalt (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 11:02AM EDT (link)with steel-toed boots.
I'm all in, Baby! All Bleepin' In.
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 2:38PM EDT (link)The GOP will be electing a new Rep from AL-5 in two short weeks. He can be primaried very easily in two short years. The same way “Republican” Pawkah Griffith was. I’ll be watching and blogging. The GOP needs to man up on this one big time. Defund, delay , expand legislative majorites, repeal. That is all that is acceptable.
Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
RMJ: I'm jazzed
texasgalt (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 5:42PM EDT (link)and while I don’t drink much anymore, I’m making an exception for 3 fingers of Jack Black on Tuesday evening, November 2nd.
Jack -- AL-05 had a good candidate in the primary
soljerblue Wednesday, October 20th at 10:14PM EDT (link)That was retired Navy officer Les Phillip, who finished third in the balloting that Moe Brooks won. Not sure if Brooks is anywhere near the conservative that Phillip is, but the best thing conservatives in that district could do is get Phillip back in the race up there in 2012, or to run for the legislature. I had the honor and pleasure to meet and get to know Les during his campaign, and my read is, he’s the real deal!
Good To Know
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Thursday, October 21st at 12:32PM EDT (link)He can start heating up in the Bull Pen if Mo Brooks ever forgets who he works for!
Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
The establishment
smitch61 Tuesday, October 19th at 10:54AM EDT (link)Cannot be trusted. All of the names you listed plus Christine O’Donnell. She would be seated immediately, which is even more disturbing in how the GOP is NOT assisting her although she won the primary fair and square. I went to the tea party rallies personally because I wanted the GOP to know I was out here. I believe we can all agree that had it not been for the tea party, we would have had Obama care about 6 months earlier than we did, with the GOP blessing.
Let's see where "they stand", after the wave.
texasgalt (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 10:57AM EDT (link)Elections matter. If we speak loudly enough, even the Lords of the ruling class will hear us.
Early voting started in Texas yesterday. Texans, you know what to do . . . straight ticket, all the down to the very bottom of the ballot.
Then we can have a serious conversation with Senator Cornyn.
Amen brother
banzaibob (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 11:06AM EDT (link)Time to let Cornyn know there is plenty of time to find a candidate to run against him in 2014.
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easy vote
justfedup Tuesday, October 19th at 11:19AM EDT (link)There are no props on the ballot for my precinct, makes it easy. I’ve already contacted “nibble around the edge” Cornyn. They better be listening to what Sarah is saying.
Yes, we need a conversation w/Sen. Cornyn and
chbroussard (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 4:34PM EDT (link)…it needs to take place behind the woodshed.
Help me understand how the can stop the leadership
earlgrey (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 11:06AM EDT (link)Are we looking at a civil war within the republican party. Judd was going in the air rejecting obamacare before it passed. He was very vocal.
I have contributed to nearly all of these. Rand Paul seems to be doing OK
Is this why the establishment wants murky over miller?
Yes, this is exactly why
kestrel (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:33PM EDT (link)the establishment wants swamp over beer.
Cheers, Earl, you are doing all the right things. We are going to win big.
We Need To Make Sure Miller Wins
calgacus (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 3:06PM EDT (link)Miller is the real deal. I think it is very clear that the reason the Republicans did not remove her from her post is because they are rooting for her to win. Alaska is a key testing point. If Miller wins we will have another rock – solid conservative in the Senate. Murkowski is a no on repealing ObamaCare. She is a solid vote for amnesty for illegal aliens.
It will take many cycles to rid the GOP
mdd1956 Wednesday, October 20th at 9:55AM EDT (link)leadership roles of rino’s and retards.
become a precinct committeeman.
REPEAL THE RINOS!!!!
izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 11:06AM EDT (link)N/T
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
If these people think 'the wave' is only against Ds
itrytobenice (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 11:07AM EDT (link)They’re going to learn a hard lesson in the next election. We the people are sick and tired of our elected representatives believing they are our Rulers.
We don’t have Lords and Serfs. We have unalienable rights. If they don’t learn that the easy way, we’ll give it to them the hard way.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Yeah, well, Nero fiddled around for a while, too..
johnconradarens (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 11:11AM EDT (link)It is simply jaw-dropping to me that there remain so many insular establishment-types that are completely unaware that there is a popular non-violent rebellion under way in America. Gregg rather reminds me of the Hapsburg’s that drifted in and out of the Paris peace conference following World War One, thinking they could reassemble the rump ends of their dying fiefdoms.
The world is changing, swirling around the likes of Graham, and Gregg and Snow; they are not changing with it, to their peril.
This Is Much Ado About Nothing - Gregg Is *GONE*
IJB Tuesday, October 19th at 11:12AM EDT (link)I’ll worry about this if someone like McConnell or Cornyn or Kyl says something like this.
But the opinions of a lame-duck RINO like Judd Gregg are wholly irrelevant.
I disagree. There must be a reason he said this.
earlgrey (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 11:30AM EDT (link)He had been against Ocare. They are not going to have an R that will have to face re-election throw this out when Judd is on his way out.
Are You Serious?!
IJB Tuesday, October 19th at 11:37AM EDT (link)No one cares what Judd Gregg says – he has *zero* “juice” now in the Senate GOP caucus. He’s not a “player” anymore. So he’s free to say whatever he wants. But it means *nothing* as to what the Senate GOP will ultimately do.
If you want to work yourself into a conniption over what a nobody like Judd Gregg says, then be my guest.
But what Judd Gregg says has *no* bearing on what’s going to happen next year.
Except that's not how The Good Ole Boys Club works.
The_Gadfly (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:25PM EDT (link)Gregg is out next year, so he makes the perfect pitchman for the money bag handlers because nothing can be done to hurt him. The rest of the guys are still in the game and will be up for re-election at some point, so they can’t say it anywhere that it is remotely possible for a recording of it to be made. Sure, Gregg can be publicly spanked by Erick in a post on RedState, but let’s be serious: that means nothing to a retired pol. If he were running again it might mean something, but he’s not. And the rest are.
The other thing is that while the Budget Chairman has sway because if you don’t have his cooperation you don’t get money for your home state, there’s a corollary that he doesn’t make a major move or announcement without checking on the team strategy because he needs the team to push through the stuff that keeps him in power.
So like Erick said, if we don’t put in Joe Miller, Sharron Angle, Ken Buck, Pat Toomey, Rand Paul, Ron Johnson, Mike Lee, and Marco Rubio you can bet Mitch McConnell will be calling the shots instead of Jim DeMint, and the Senate leadership will be looking to “restructure” Obamacare instead of repealing it. Heck, repealing it didn’t even manage to make it to the pledge list and it IS the simpler option. The pledge telegraphed Gregg’s statement as much as anything else out there.
It's very important to ensure Jim DeMint's clout....
zollistar (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 2:40PM EDT (link)…and nothing spells clout louder and stronger than $$$$
That’s one reason I donate to DeMint’s PAC, Gadfly.
That said, I’ve also donated to almost every person mentioned by Erick on this posting — and to many others besides.
DeMint is the guy to go to
calgacus (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 3:09PM EDT (link)He is literally waging a one man war in Washington.
Correct. Judd Gregg is
kestrel (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:41PM EDT (link)speaking for other “not retiring” senators who fear voters’ wrath, but apparently don’t fear it enough.
this is a fishing expedition
chamberD Tuesday, October 19th at 1:39PM EDT (link)Testing the waters. Gregg’s comments can have no repurcussions for him personally, but responses to it telegraph to the McConnell types just how much they can get away with in the area of compromise, taking the path of least resistance, maintaining their power, keeping their reviews moderately positive in the MSM, not rocking the boat, appearing to be the GREAT bipartisans that is ultimately the deathknell of our Republic.
I’m not smart enough to click links before I tell people to do research.
As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasil® . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.
As I posted below, just on Rush, it's a lie
joayn (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 3:09PM EDT (link)promoted by Politico. I only caught part of the conversation but Rush was talking to Darrell Issa.
Anybody listen to the whole thing?
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
I listened to the whole thing and I though Issa sounded very
ColdWarrior (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 3:29PM EDT (link)wishy-washy. At one point he tried to explain to Rush how the Republican-controlled House was going to restore the proper process where both sides of the aisle got to participate in the debates, etc. Rush stopped him mid-sentence and shouted at Issa (I’m paraphrasing), “No, No, No. Congressman. The American people do not care about that. You think they care about that? They don’t! They want Obama and the Democrats and their agenda stopped! They want Obama and Axelrod and others in jail, if necessary! The want Obamacare repealed!” Etc.
I thought Issa, as I said, sounded very wishy-washy. I like him. I’ve met him. He signed a “Pre-Oath of Office” I gave him back in the 1990s when he ran for the U.S. Senate. But it sure sounded like he is beginning to suffer from Inside the Beltway-itis.
I hope and pray I’m wrong.
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I heard it also, CW and you're right
mriggio (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 4:23PM EDT (link)I understood Issa was to be the big investigator once in the majority, but all he was giving Rush was process, process and more process, which eventually frustrated Maharushie into his tirade, which I was echoing out loud all over my living room.
Even Mr. Issa seems unaware of the level of emotion across the conservative countryside. To paraphrase Johnny Carson’s old car-salesman bit-’Gotta investigate, we don’t care; gotta have transparency, we don’t care; gotta stop the Dems *breaks-pointer-stick-on-desk*-then WE CARE!’.
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Save the
CheerleaderParty, save the World! (Heroes, ed.)They think we're going away after the election...
jenniferjmilleresq Tuesday, October 19th at 11:13AM EDT (link)They need to wrap their brains around the fact that everything is different now.
Perfect Post.
smitch61 Tuesday, October 19th at 11:58AM EDT (link)I agree totally, should the GOP take control of one or both. The tea party will intensify.
What about Fiorina?
Jason (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 11:17AM EDT (link)I’m thinking she lines up with the establishment on this one.
Chuck's out, Carly's in. You can only weigh her against the Madam right now.
Locked and Loaded (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 11:45AM EDT (link)In other words, if you want to play in the dirt, keep it to yourself!
No GM, GE, or any GSE for me.
Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?
Matthew 20:15 NIV
Chuck's out, Carly's in. You can only weigh her against the Madam right now.
Locked and Loaded (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 11:45AM EDT (link)In other words, if you want to play in the dirt, keep it to yourself!
No GM, GE, or any GSE for me.
Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?
Matthew 20:15 NIV
No surprise, they come to D.C. & don the purple.
johnt Tuesday, October 19th at 11:53AM EDT (link)Gregg used to be a solid conservative, a shame.
After a while they start to get the vapors, walk on clouds, look down from above on us little people. Some of them rather like the idea of this power, they’re just glad the Dems did it.
Washington and the fact of central government lend themselves to the isolation and fantastical musings of people already weak enough to enter politics in the first place, the separation and inbred culture does the rest.
The urge to meddle can’t be resisted.
“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville
Watershed Moment
msctex (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 11:55AM EDT (link)If the Republican Party is in fact so far gone that it punts this issue, they would do well to remember that the very precisely directed anger of the citizenry currently aimed (mainly) at the Democrats, will be aimed at each and every one of them next cycle. The relatively rational ones need to be aware: this issue is so volatile that only one on the forefront of the Repeal movement should hope to survive a re-election effort. The goal will be an entirely clean slate, as it should be.
If they drop this ball and side with Obama to any degree or extent, the Republican Party in its current incarnation will cease to exist, and the name itself may even join the Whigs and Know-Nothings in the history texts. Hard to imagine how it could possibly be worth it, but a check of bank accounts would likely provide some answers.
Two Years is NOT Too Long
mkozikowski (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 1:26PM EDT (link)The strength of the Tea Party has grown since 2008. The people have woken up and are ready to take back what is theirs. The country and it’s Government belong to The People, NOT the politicians.
The Republican elite in Washington actually believe that we are on their side.
WRONG.
We are on our side. And either they also on our side OR we will replace them.
We hold the purse strings and we dole out the pink slips. And we don’t care if they have an ‘R’ or a ‘D’ next to their name.
Our side is the only one that they should be concerned with.
“Chapter 1, Page 1″. It begins here and now!
"We are on our side." -- a great line, mkozikowski
zollistar (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 2:55PM EDT (link)“We are on our side” reflects the reality that I am beginning to see.
I was at a Tea Party-inspired rally this past weekend where I met two women who are still registered Democrats. They now “get it” (they’re big fans of Glen Beck’s btw) and their votes are definitely going to be different on November 2nd in HEAVILY Democratic New York City.
In due time. so will their registrations.
I am cautiously optimistic about our country’s future when I meet people like that.
Not smart to donate to the GOP.
mdd1956 Wednesday, October 20th at 10:00AM EDT (link)Give to individual candidates or causes whenever possible.
Time to slam dunk the GOP Senate....they are lying to the American people
fpete13527 (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 11:58AM EDT (link)The GOP Senate, has made it clear that they do not want to give up their core principle…..”progressive liberal moderacy/socialism”
The GOP Senate has continued to fight against conservative Senate candidates, even after the country has declared that that is the direction they want the Senate to go.
The GOP Senate has continued to endorse the worst of the worst, like Crist, Bennett, Specter, and Murkowski. And they still endorse them.
The GOP Senate continues to undermine quality conservatives in the Senate, like Jim DeMint, who are the STANDARD, not the fringe.
Now the GOP Senate allows Obama selectee, Gregg, to mouth off about NOT repealing ObamaCare…..which is by ALL definitions the top priority issue that Republican voters want addressed.
The GOP Senate wants the country to do the heavy lifting to win back the House and Senate…..so they can simply stroll back in and inject more of their liberal progressive pork style…..WRONG.
Let me fix one little mistake for you:
The_Gadfly (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:10PM EDT (link)…which is by ALL definitions the top priority issue that Republican American voters want addressed.
Because that is what will make Nov 2 a watershed event. The hatred of Obamacare isn’t a partisan Republican issue, it is a non-partisan patriotic issue that unites Republicans, Independents, and even some voters affiliated with the Democrats.
Anybody who can read a poll should know to opt for Repeal, not Repair on Obamacare. Getting rid of what exists is what you can get people to agree on. Deciding what to put in its place is where the pols meet their Russian winters.
Kowalski
The_Gadfly (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:15PM EDT (link)Taking back the Senate will be the hard slog. Right now voters are visibly angry and likely to continue to be angry through the November elections. But if House Republicans can undo some of the damage done by The Big 0, in two years the voters might not be quite so angry, or so eager to throw out the bums who caused this mess. The liberal/progressive/socialist/communist element depend on the human trait of forgive and forget to advance their agenda.
Thanks GF, I agree with your correction
fpete13527 (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:32PM EDT (link)Gerard Beloin For US Senate NH 2010 - WRITE IN
timesnewroman Tuesday, October 19th at 12:02PM EDT (link)Please review my website YouTube ads. Judd Gregg is prominently featured in these ads exposing the shell game being played on the NH voters and the US taxpayers. KELLY AYOTTE IS HIS PROXY.
My YouTube ads back up and highlight every statement you are making about Judd Gregg.
I am the only true and proven conservative in this race.
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Anything to help the Democrats, Judd Gregg and Rinos
nepanyrush Tuesday, October 19th at 12:04PM EDT (link)Take a horrible piece of legislation and make some tweaks so (1) it can be bipartisan, (2) it can put conservatives between a rock and hard place in either supporting Obamacare or rejecting some good tweaks; and (3) it can be somewhat less horrendous so Obama can be re-elected. Does nothing for the people of the United States, but it can be a great help to Democrats.
Maybe it is time..
uhangtight (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:08PM EDT (link)To email or fax these so called Republicans and advise them that there term is up? Tell them we will primary them advising Mitch and his Boy’s Club they will suffer the fate of Castle?
Because we mean business this time. I am so tired of Mitch Is there any way we can get his but out sooner by maybe forcing a leadership change once the new Senate is in place?
I am furious. No money to anyone other than those candidates that are not talking out of both sides of their mouths.
No need to give to Lee
Sean (SIConservative) (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:15PM EDT (link)Mike Lee is the next Senator from Utah. There’s no reason to give him any money, as it would be much better spent on the other candidates you mentioned.
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timesnewroman Tuesday, October 19th at 12:15PM EDT (link)Kelly Ayotte is a proxy for RINO Judd Gregg.
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Gerard Beloin For US Senate NH – 2010 – WRITE IN CANDIDATE
G'bye (nt)
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:49PM EDT (link)RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
So when do we get the "RS Editors" post....
Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:16PM EDT (link)that with a new election and shiny new attitude Republicans should also elect new leadership? By the way, that includes ditching Boehner and McConnell. As long as they are around, one can expect this gutless, spineless, back-biting, two-faced, under-the-table, fast-and-loose, no balls, no respect approach that got us here in the first place to continue.
Apparently, our “leaders” are already trying to cut deals and “mend fences” with Democrats in order to show “progress”. Is it me or didn’t the Olympia-Susan wing nurtured by the leadership get us here in the first place? Oh wait, they are just nostalgic. Right.
“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson
As has been said before here.
deano64 (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:23PM EDT (link)This election cycle is just the beginning. If any Republican does not follow the will of the people then we will find a replacement for them in the their next primary election.
Precinct Committeeman before it was cool.
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
Alexis De Tocqueville
How about a gathering at DeMint's office - seriously
partyof1 Tuesday, October 19th at 12:50PM EDT (link)100,000 screaming conservatives. Or some kind of high profile action to let the establishment know who we support — DeMint and what we support — repeal.
DeMint
chamberD Tuesday, October 19th at 1:20PM EDT (link)Call DeMint’s office today — clog the system, overload it with our loud and vocal support. Contact both his state and his Capitol offices.
Make no mistake — the good guys have got to KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that we’ve got their back, and we are adamant and unyielding, and huge in numbers!
I’m not smart enough to click links before I tell people to do research.
As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasil® . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.
senate conservatives fund, DeMints PAC
earlgrey (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 1:54PM EDT (link)He supports conservative Rs for Senate. So you will support them by supporting him. High fundraising numbers will get more attention for him.
money talks.
I shut off my giving, but will drop an extra $100 his way.
I have been busting my behind doing get out the vote calls for state office candidates, and I just want to tell the state Republicnan party to jump off a cliff, because I am so angry at Lamar Alexander.
Lamar alexander does not want to repeal the bill
earlgrey (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:54PM EDT (link)They pointed out that they will not have the power to do that with Obama in office, so they want to repeal the “bad parts” of the bill. I talked to his office today.
I have known
chamberD Tuesday, October 19th at 1:14PM EDT (link)(being a former Tennessean) for a long time that Lamar Alexander is a politician first and foremost — he is Bushian, ruling-elite type, and NO true conservative; never has been.
The Capitol Building is rife with such useless creatures.
I’m not smart enough to click links before I tell people to do research.
As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasil® . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.
'the bad parts'
bobmontgomery (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 1:50PM EDT (link)And they only wanted to spend $500 billion on the stimulus; and they don’t want the EPA to get in too big a hurry to destroy the economy; and they only want enough Islam to be taught in the public schools to keep the Jihadists from car-bombing federal buildings; and they only want the Department of Education to allow politicking in the schools during recess and lunch; and they knew all along that WMD’s was a myth but figured you could just get rid of a dictator and the Shia world would love you forever.
If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington
You MUST Check Out The Wall Street Journal's Article On These Squishy Quislings
Ausonius (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:56PM EDT (link)The title is “GOP Leaders Seek To Avoid Past Mistakes” and as one reads with ever more horrified eyes, one sees that the biggest “past mistake” from 1994 is NOT COMPROMISING more with Democrats!!!
An excerpt:
” …Republicans say they are wary of following the example of the class of 1994, which shut down the government in a standoff with President Bill Clinton. Top Republicans contend that passing legislation, or at least making a good faith effort to do so, will earn them more credibility with voters than refusing to waver from purist principles.”
“It’s pretty clear the American people expect us to use the existing gridlock to create compromise and advance their agenda,” said Rep. Darrell Issa (R., Calif.). “They want us to come together [with the administration] after we agree to disagree.”
AND this VERY interesting paragraph:
“Under the leadership of Rep. Kevin McCarthy, a rising star, the GOP has recruited a slate of House candidates with an array of political experience, suggesting they know how to work within the strictures of government. In many cases, these aspirants boast of their record of working with Democrats.”
See:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303496104575560361114358350.html?mod=WSJ_hps_MIDDLESecondNews
Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.
Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.
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AND…Know Your Czars…Before They Hit BIG BRObama’s Unemployment Line in November: http://www.czarcards.us/
Gregg and his friends
chamberD Tuesday, October 19th at 1:07PM EDT (link)can either give their last full measure of devotion to REPEAINGL this ABSOLUTELY EVIL legislation . . .
OR THERE WILL BE A THIRD PARTY
Because I will never vote for another Republican — the only national and state-level party I have ever voted for — as long as I live.
And the Republican Party can go the way of the Whigs — to the oblivion of which THEY ARE SO DESERVING.
I will NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT LIVE in America under the DICTATORSHIP OF OBAMACARE — nobody
nobody
nobody
on this planet is going to TELL ME that they will “LET [me] choose my doctor,” as that nefarious narcissist in the oval told all Americans in his lying, prevaricating push to force us into a healthcare system that WE UTTERLY REJECT.
DO YOU HEAR ME?? Republicans, DO YOU??
I’m not smart enough to click links before I tell people to do research.
As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasil® . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.
DITTO DITTO DITTO
whiskey_sierra Tuesday, October 19th at 2:31PM EDT (link)DITTO.
PUT UP or SHUT UP time Republican party… they have been talking about small government for 50 years and have NEVER EVER reduced it yet when they were in power.
This is the LAST chance before I am gone, I will teach those that follow me to not be Republicans, and I will use all my final days to work against the Republican party and support candidates from other 3rd parties.
I don’t care if the USA turns into a Marxist paradise, that will only help accelerate the decline and self-destruction so we can start over.
Whiskey and Chamber
itrytobenice (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 7:58PM EDT (link)you guys are dead wrong about this. I *am* the R party. You are too. What we’re gonna do is kick these posers out of the party.
There are *millions* of us and we all consider ourselves Republicans. I’ll not go through the losses of running on a third party ticket when there are primaries before every single election when we can take these rino’s out of commish.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Agreed! We cannot afford to waste time it would take to
davesinsanantonio (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 6:27AM EDT (link)get a third party up and running. Even the TEA Party is too loosely put together to get organized effectively (and rightly so!) So, we must work within the confines of the Republican Party. But, we cannot let any non-conservatives get past the primary again. We must recruit genuine, moral, constitutionalists and then hold their feet to the fire, and primary them if they waver on principles. The Republican Party is already on the ballot in all fifty states. Getting a third party on the ballot is a monumental task; the effort would be better spent getting real conservatives elected.
Sen. Judd Gregg's Turn Is Coming
mkozikowski (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 1:18PM EDT (link)I guess Sen. Judd Gregg does not understand the situation. We The People are not replacing Democrats with Republicans.
We are replacing ‘Old Boy’ Elites with ‘Constitutional Conservatives’.
That means we will just as happily replace an ineffective, elitist RINO like Sen. Gregg with a Tea Party candidate as well as any Liberal.
His time is coming, and we will remember.
The book of the Tea Party is only at “Chapter 1, Page 1″.
He is retiring so unfortunately WE don't get to....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 1:33PM EDT (link)pass judgment on him! thats ok, there are other “Greggs” to go after in 2012 and 2014 and every election from here on out until the Congress reflects WE The People of the United States of America which is a center RIGHT Country!
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pilgrim (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 1:44PM EDT (link)Currently there are 23 Ds and only 10 Rs that are up in 2012. The numbers may change slightly with the results of the one NY contest and the WV contest this year, but still the Ds are a target rich environment in 2012. Webb, McCaskill, Tester, Casey, and Sherrod Brown are looking like low hanging fruits to pick off.
With only ten Rs to primary, we should be able to easily
davesinsanantonio (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 6:33AM EDT (link)find the conservatives to replace the RINOs. It may take a bit more work to find the 23 conservatives to face the Dems, but well worth the effort. If we can run real conservatives in every primary, and then every general election, even Democrat winners will be more respectful of the Constitution, and that will be a positive for the country.
Gone is gone...
qixlqatl (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 2:04PM EDT (link)though he will likely remain a part of the “process” by moving into the lobbying industry. I’ll take his departure any way it comes, but it [i]would[/i] be more satisfying to show him the door than have him walk out under his own power…Just one less incumbent that needs to be primaried, allowing us to focus more time, attention and money (assuming I have any….) elsewhere.
“Yet, Freedom! yet thy banner, torn, but flying,
Streams like the thunderstorm against the wind.”
George Gordon Noel Byron
No more pale pastels!
citizenjerry Tuesday, October 19th at 1:33PM EDT (link)The folks want this abominable Obamacare REPEALED, not nibbled around the edges. If the squishy moderate RINOs like Cornyn and Gregg don’t understand that, they’re the next to be voted out.
My only concern is all the people yelling for a third party. That would only guarantee Democrat power for the rest of forever. Conservative Constitutionalists need to take over the Republican Party and offer a bold choice, not Democrat lite.
The RINOs can join the Democrat Party, since they’re mostly on-board anyway.
Just sent money to...
mich22 Tuesday, October 19th at 1:39PM EDT (link)Joe Miller. Already have some in to Rubio and Steny Hoyer’s opponent in the House, Charles Lollar (MD-5). If everyone just does what they can, we win big.
"I have told you this before and I will tell you this again."
ColdWarrior (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 1:49PM EDT (link)Yes, short term, we must elect as many conservatives as possible on Nov. 2. GOTV. GOTV. GOTV.
But, how to influence the RINOs like McConnell and Alexander in the Senate and the RINOs in the House who will be reelected?
I will tell you again. As long as the Republican Party remains half-empty, with half its precinct committeemen slots, on average, in every state, vacant, without conservatives in those vacant slots, the Party will remain a shell of what it could be — a full strength Party with a 75 per cent conservative majority. All those new conservative precinct committeemen could join with the existing conservatives in the Party to help GOTV in the primaries for the BEST conservative candidates. Can you say “Sharron Angle?” No one but the grass roots conservatives in Nevada who came into the Nevada GOP saw her coming. Can you say, “Bye, bye, Utah Sen. Bob Bennett?” Here in Maricopa County we’ve gone from 1,989 elected PCs in 2008 to 2,936 in 2010. We have our county leadership elections in January. Methinks the conservative candidates are going to win handily. (But, 2,936 is only 47 per cent of the allotted PC slots of 6,241 — there’s one Republican PC allowed by statute for every 125 registered Republican voters in a precinct, so Maricopa County is still below the national average.)
If we could get every Redstater to become a PC, and get every Redstater to recruit every conservative they know to join them in becoming a PC, we could make a significant impact on the Party.
GOTV now, for the next 14 days. On Nov. 3, pivot INTO the Party itself. Become a “card carrying member” of it. That’s where the real ball game of politics is played. Plus, it’s fun!
If anyone has a better strategy, I’m all ears.
For Liberty,
ColdWarrior, PC (that’s “precinct committeeman,” not “political child!”)
Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW! (14 days until Nov. 2 — what are YOU DOING to help get out the vote in your precinct?)
In 2012, will YOU become a “voting member” of the Republican Party in your precinct?
Where it all started. Twitter @kaltkrieger
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Learn how to GOTV at The Concord Project and at Procinct and
cw I know you are right.
earlgrey (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 2:08PM EDT (link)My precinct has a captain, but I have been placed on the “team” for my precinct. Ironically, Lamar praised the efforts of our local GOP to grow our precinct captains.
In the 9th district we have a great longshot candidate running. Her campaign has energized local republicans in her district. This is another reason not to give up on certain districts as we are building a volunteer base for 2012.
I am a Precinct Committeeman
chamberD Tuesday, October 19th at 2:37PM EDT (link)And I see at our monthly meetings that the grassroots is heavily RINO, to my utter dismay.
But there are many like me, too; and all the newcomers are socialism-haters and wise to the infiltration by progressives into our party!
I’m not smart enough to click links before I tell people to do research.
As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasil® . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.
Congrats, CW! Instaflood for ThePrecinctProject!
cwilson (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 10:55PM EDT (link)Instapundit posted a link to ThePrecinctProject. Insty link here
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! –Samuel Adams
There are a lot of us out there...
traversecityconservative (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 11:24PM EDT (link)and we’re in the trenches with you, working hard to take back the country AND the Republican party. Check out my new diary – I think you’ll appreciate it – http://www.redstate.com/traversecityconservative/2010/10/19/a-preponderance-amount-of-evidence-shows-karl-rove-to-be-an-ignoramus/
earlgrey, thanks again for getting into the real ball game
ColdWarrior (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 2:13PM EDT (link)These kind of “boots on the ground, insider” reports help explain the process to others who might be inclined to join in the fun. Please keep us updated from time to time with your progress.
Thanks again!
CW
In 2012, will YOU become a “voting member” of the Republican Party in your precinct?
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Last time I vote R?
whiskey_sierra Tuesday, October 19th at 2:27PM EDT (link)There are ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED different federal agencies.
If the republicans get majority and there are not at least a couple HUNDRED less after 2 years, I will never vote R again.
Either the Republican part IS FOR SMALL GOVERNMENT and a Constitutionally limited federal system…. OR THEY ARE NOT.
After this election they will get the chance to PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
I will ‘waste’ my vote forever on the smaller parties if needed…if it puts the Marxists in power, then maybe the acceleration of the decline will help future generations. So bit it.
whiskey_sierra, I take it you are NOT "in" the Party
ColdWarrior (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 2:59PM EDT (link)as a precinct committeeman? Am I right?
If you’re not a PC, why not become one and try to get all of your conservative friends and family members to join you? And if you don’t have any conservative friends and family members, go join some grass roots conservative groups (tea parties, 9.12 groups, right to life groups, etc.) and try to recruit PCs there?
We have to do more than just accept what the Republican Party gives us. By becoming a PC, you can become part of the problem and work to turn things around.
I hope you’ll give it a try.
For Liberty,
ColdWarrior, PC (that’s “precinct committeeman,” not “political child!”)
Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW! (14 days until Nov. 2 — what are YOU DOING to help get out the vote in your precinct?)
In 2012, will YOU become a “voting member” of the Republican Party in your precinct?
Where it all started. Twitter @kaltkrieger
Unified Patriots.
Learn how to GOTV at The Concord Project and at Procinct and
Never did anything like that.
whiskey_sierra Tuesday, October 19th at 3:20PM EDT (link)I don’t know much about that party inner-workings stuff.
But I am looking at your links now.
Take the long view and work from within
Kyle-MI (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 2:59PM EDT (link)Don’t expect dramatic change with just one election. Our founding fathers set up the government in the Constitution to prevent drastic change because usually that type leads to bad things.
Remember that we are only electing one third of the Senate and Obama will still be President with the power of the veto. At least wait until after the 2012 election before you abandon the GOP.
That is not to say that we shouldn’t keep pressure on the GOP leadership. There should be plenty of primary challengers on tap. I wouldn’t mind a few announcing very early (say next Feb.) in order to keep the squishes in check.
The Fifth Column is unmasking themselves
civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 2:32PM EDT (link)So we will soon see fully exposed those who are marking themselves as primary targets in 2012 and 2014 will be.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
Erick, it's a smear. Just on Rush, this is a lie
joayn (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 3:06PM EDT (link)started by Politico. I only heard part of it, but Rush was talking to Darrell Issa and this was talked about.
Another Dem dirty trick to tamper the enthusiasm of voters. Can you check it out? Somebody have all the info?
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
Judd Gregg-Crybaby El Stupido
maisy Tuesday, October 19th at 3:35PM EDT (link)Wah,Wah,Wah- The same Judd Gregg who pratically cried about the burgeoning debt and yet is for importing poverty in the form of millions of illegals? That Judd Gregg?
Thank God he’s not running or he’d have to be heave-hoed!
TEA PARTY AMERICANS are the only way to fly!
Next, Gregg, McConnell, Alexander will be pushing Romney
michiganwolverine Tuesday, October 19th at 3:42PM EDT (link)Do they think the voters are stupid?
After saying NO to repealing and replacing Obamacare, these same senators are going to be pushing Romney/Romneycare as the guy who can fix it all for the people.
Mr. Fixit-Romney-governor of first in the nation gay marriage, individual mandates, and $50 co-pay for abortions will be who they are recommending for us in 2012.
Are you listening people?
Defund then Repeal
rob777 (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 3:47PM EDT (link)Given that we will not likely have veto proof majorities after the elections, repealing Obamacare may not be an immediate option. We should first focus on defunding it. To do that all we need tis to control the House, since that is where funding bills originate. We do not need to cooperation of the Senate simply to deny funding. Repealing this mess will come after the 2012 elections if we can keep the momentum going.
“Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom”
Defundinging only works if you have a shutdown or if Obama blinks
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 4:18PM EDT (link)http://spectator.org/blog/2010/10/15/paul-ryan-on-the-limits-of-the
Paul Ryan has a good interview on this topic.
The mechanics of defunding require either (1) a specific rider which must be signed into law (Obama would certainly veto) or (2) simply don’t authorize any HHS funding—i.e. government shutdown scenario.
Simply pounding one’s fist on a table and demanding it all happen isn’t a valid strategy. I think there is some concern that if R’s don’t play their cards right, that we hurt the 2012 nominee.
We will need an R President, an R House, and an R Senate to repeal the thing. We will need to gain a lot of Senate seats in 2012 as well as the Presidency. I think the problem here is not one of strategy as it is communication.
R’s are talking about what happens when the repeal bill is vetoed, and the prospect of a shutdown approaches.
If they allows themselves to be played like Bill Clinton played them, we lose the 2012 battle which is the key pivotal time to stop Obamacare
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gov't shutdown re-elected Clinton
chihank Tuesday, October 19th at 4:46PM EDT (link)If a GOP Congress decides to have another gov’t shutdown, then Obama will win re-election no matter who the GOP nominates in 2012.
It was the gov’t shutdown led by Newt that helped Clinton. Aided by the media and labor unions, Clinton managed to portray the GOP as greedy, uncaring rich men. The PR victory by Clinton in 1995, is a big reason why GOP leaders are so timid to fight liberalism. The GOP is scared of the media villifying them.
Such simplistic thinking
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 5:20PM EDT (link)So no credit or blame goes to any action AROUND the shutdown, or ANYTHING else that happened around that ti me, such as Gingrich’s monumental meltdown over Air Force One?
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chihank- It was actually
Scope (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 5:33PM EDT (link)the fact that Newt gave in to Clinton, and went against his own Contract with America,when the going got tough, that led to another Clinton term. Newt proved that he wasn’t the strong voice some thought he was when he put forth the contract. He folded like a cheap tent, and many gave up on him.
And now he is contemplating running for POTUS!
davesinsanantonio (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 6:49AM EDT (link)Just what we need, another spineless RINO running for president. As if we didn’t have a whole plateful of them already. These guys let their egos overrule their brains. WE THE PEOPLE have to have the backbone necessary to say “no” to them, because they cannot say it to themselves, or to the Dems. We have to stop looking for candidates we think can win elections, and start looking for candidates who can govern according to the Constitution.
Our Problem was not the Shut Down
rob777 (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 5:11PM EDT (link)I realize that defunding would require either a shutdown or for Obama to blink. What I am not willing to concede is the notion that it was the shut down that killed the GOP’s momentum in 1995.
There were numerous other problems that are not present today. First is that the revolution of 1994 was perceived to be led by one person, Newt Gingrich. It is easy to target and demonize one person. The Tea Party movement does not have a single identifiable leader that can be targeted and demonized.
There is also a point that Rush Limbaugh mentioned today. After the 1994 elections the GOP mad the mistake of assuming that the public would be with them without the need to constantly inform the public on the principled basis for what they were doing. The result was to simply pass legislation without trying to promote the need for what they were doing.
We also need to consider the fact that the alternative media is in much better shape when compared to the MSM now than it was in 1995.
Even with the MSM attacking the pro-freedom movement that led to the revolution of 1994, it took the Oklahoma City Bombing, and the use of this to demonize the proponents of limited government, to turn the tide. After all of this, Bill Clinton barely gets by an inept Bob Dole in 1996 because it is a three man race with Ross Perot in it. Obama is no Bill Clinton.
I think that a defund strategy would work if if the House passed a series of continuing resolutions to fund only the necessary functions of government and left unfunded much of the rest. They would have to use a well thought out marketing campaign to then let the public know that such cuts in spending are needed to prevent us from going down the path already traveled by Greece. There are a lot of duplicate programs and, if done right, such an approach might just awaken the general public to the reality of how much many of these programs are not needed.
“Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom”
rob777- 55555
Scope (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 5:46PM EDT (link)If Obama refuses to approve the very basic functions of government, because he wants his babies funded, the government shutdown, as you said with a good messaging team, could be a very redeemable position for the Republicans, but, I doubt the Republican Ruling class currently infesting DC will go for it. I like your idea though rob.
It would take Pressure from the Tea Party
rob777 (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 6:17PM EDT (link)You are right that the current Ruling Class in the GOP would not go for this. The only way that such a thing would have a chance is for the Tea Party to engage in the kind of effort that pressured the GOP to hold ranks in opposition to ObamaCare.
The first step would be for the Tea Party to claim a governing mandate after the elections if the GOP wins by anything near a significant margin. This claim would be made on the basis of the successful effort that the media and the Dems made to paint the Tea Party as the force behind the GOP resurgence. If the GOP still wins a majority without running on an identifiable platform while the Dems are trying to portray the GOP has haven been taken over by Tea Party “extremists”, the governing mandate goes to the Tea Party. We need to start making this case as soon as the elections are finished. (Providing the results are conducive to making that argument)
“Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom”
Defundinging only works if you have a shutdown or if Obama blinks
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 4:18PM EDT (link)http://spectator.org/blog/2010/10/15/paul-ryan-on-the-limits-of-the
Paul Ryan has a good interview on this topic.
The mechanics of defunding require either (1) a specific rider which must be signed into law (Obama would certainly veto) or (2) simply don’t authorize any HHS funding—i.e. government shutdown scenario.
Simply pounding one’s fist on a table and demanding it all happen isn’t a valid strategy. I think there is some concern that if R’s don’t play their cards right, that we hurt the 2012 nominee.
We will need an R President, an R House, and an R Senate to repeal the thing. We will need to gain a lot of Senate seats in 2012 as well as the Presidency. I think the problem here is not one of strategy as it is communication.
R’s are talking about what happens when the repeal bill is vetoed, and the prospect of a shutdown approaches.
If they allows themselves to be played like Bill Clinton played them, we lose the 2012 battle which is the key pivotal time to stop Obamacare
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Don't let the screen door hit you on the way out
reverelth (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 3:53PM EDT (link)Jed.
http://www.libertytreehugger.com
RINO LOSERship
drfredc Tuesday, October 19th at 4:35PM EDT (link)The proper term for the GOP Senate RINOs is the LOSERship, because that’s what they are — the leadership that led the GOP into becoming losers in the last two elections.
Always, Fred C
I heard Darrell Issa and have changed my opinion of him
katesmith (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 4:38PM EDT (link)He sounded like a robot. Rush asked him a question and he wouldn’t respond to the topic in the question. Rush tried again to ask him to respond to a point and Issa refused, used up the precious time talking about nothing. The exchange will of course be available on Rush’s transcripts. Who needs Judd Gregg? I have the stone wall exchange of former bright light Darrell Issa. He was given a priceless forum to say something, anything valuable and he trashed the opportunity.
Not repeal Obamacare???
kjressler Wednesday, October 20th at 5:45AM EDT (link)If leading Republicans say they do not want to repeal Obabmacare, they have the same affliction that Obama, Reid, Pelosi and the rest of the liberal elite suffer from. Arrogance and a disconnect from the rest us us “Little People” who want Obamacare repealed.
Obamacare needs to be repealed first thing in January. THAT is what the American people want done, not tinkering with it. Repeal it!
Year of the RINO
gumbeaux Wednesday, October 20th at 5:59AM EDT (link)It would appear that 2011 will be known as the year of the RINO. Congressional ‘republicans’ think they can fix Obamacare. This is a joke with WE THE PEOPLE. It has to be rewritten completely, there is no FIX to it! There is so much hidden in this bill that neither side will tell WE THE PEOPLE what is in the bill. Once you wade through the legal ‘mumbo-jumbo’ it is pure communist or if you like NAZI. I cedes the power that WE THE PEOPLE hold, via our Constitution, to none other than the great hopey-changey messiah, Barack Hussein Obama!
If You Fossils Want a 3rd Party in 2012...
reaganiterepublicanresistance Wednesday, October 20th at 7:08AM EDT (link)KEEP IT UP
Like Palin and Rush said… the GOP is DOOMED if it refuses to embrace the TEA Party movement that’s now putting them back in power
DE FUND 2011
REPEAL 2013
It’s not negiotable-
The Reaganite Republican
We need the House reps too, not just the Senate
aarong_inutah Wednesday, October 20th at 8:59AM EDT (link)Don’t forget we have congressman we need to get elected this year too, not just senators.
Morgan Philpot of Utah is in a tough race against an incumbent “moderate” Democrat that voted for the Deem and Pass resolution that got the Health Care bill through. Then he voted No on the final bill once his vote wasn’t needed. Now he says he won’t work to defund or repeal Obamacare.
We have to get these fake Blue Dog Democrats out.
Help Morgan Philpot! http://www.philpotforcongress.com
RINO "Leadership"
deecal Wednesday, October 20th at 9:10AM EDT (link)If Judd Greg and his ilk betray the base of the voters who are going to put them in the majority in the House, and possibly the Senate, they are committing political suicide.
The easiest transition in the world will be for the TEA PARTY folks to convert from a loose alliance to a THIRD POLITICAL PARTY.
While this may not assure a third party victory it will most assuredly guarantee the Republican RINO Party will be a non-entity – a truly fringe political organization that will never recover.
If that’s their objective, then bring it on. The newly solidified base is ready to meet them on the battle field of ideas and we will win. Guaranteed.
Ahh yes, another third party fool. nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 10:16AM EDT (link)deecal is no fool
chamberD Wednesday, October 20th at 5:16PM EDT (link)If the Republican establishment remains intractable, if they fail to JOIN the Tea Party movement and instead continue to offer up bromides, if they want to make this an us or them party — then they themselves have chosen ‘the dark side.’ They themselves will have made themselves forever redundant.
Do not think for a moment that the entrenched ruling elite is not capable of calling in their chits (think McCain and his ‘efforts’ to ‘help’ Miller and what that portends — ala Scott Brown) when the s%#^ hits the fan in the Senate, for example. And all as one, the elites put the screws to the freshman to get along or lose all hope of choice committee seats, or lose all hope of any $ support next election time.
Do not think for a moment the elite will not give our neophyte, conservative heores the snake-oil Rx, ask them for one small, seemingly insignificant, comrpromise, all in an effor to chip away at their resolve to stay true to their prinicples. And chip, and chip, and chip.
I’ll be watching. Closely.
I’m not smart enough to click links before I tell people to do research.
As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasil® . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.
A third party will do nothing but elect Democrats.
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 7:18PM EDT (link)Unfortunately, some posters aren’t bright enough to understand how basic street politics work.
G'bye (nt)
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 7:24PM EDT (link)RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
RINOs are next
ac7880 Wednesday, October 20th at 10:00AM EDT (link)As soon as we are finsihed cleaning out the democrats swamp, RINOs and “good ol boy and girl” Republicans are next.
NO MORE RINOs, NO MORE APPEASEMENT!
Not without some things we don't have now...
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 10:15AM EDT (link)and that would be:
I see lots of comments in the same vein as yours, and while they may sound good in the echo chamber, in the real world, without a solid plan and organization behind credible candidates, we’re just throwing money and effort into the wind.
Please note that this time out the incumbents who lost did pretty much the same things across the board. They ignored the challenge. They acted like royals with respect to the entitlement of the seat they held (or in Coakley’s case, sought). They ignored the voters to the point of being outright obnoxious. They generally didn’t run a campaign.
In cases where incumbents won – see McCain for the best example – they didn’t take anything for granted and they won in a walk.
’10 is an outlier election. Don’t expect incumbents in ’12 to miss the lesson of how to keep your seat. People like some of the surprise primary winners this time out will get swamped in ’12. Don’t expect to see surprise wins by no-name candidates who haven’t been vetted.
No one said it would be easy
dakotamel Wednesday, October 20th at 10:12AM EDT (link)November is just the first step in setting this country to rights. (pun not intended, but appropriate!) We’ll get rid of as many as we can that sit on the spectrum from Marxist to RINO and then go after another round when that dust has settled.
The Tea Party won’t die. I’m laying odds that it will grow substantially as soon as funding and repeal of Obamacare starts getting discussed. That will light a fire under those who mistakenly still trusted certain members of the Republican leadership to do what’s right.
LAST CHANCE FOR THE REPUBLICANS
thebadpiper Wednesday, October 20th at 10:50AM EDT (link)The Democrats don’t get it and they never will. The “Political Class” Republicans don’t get it, but have one last chance to do so. BOTH political parties are in disrepute with the American people for governing in their own self-interest rather than for the good of the Republic and its citizens. The damage to the fabric of the Country by the government could no longer be papered over by vague generalities and high sounding platitudes. Concerned citizens that used to be referred to as the “silent majority” finally had enough and spontaneously, without any political party to bribe them with millions of dollars of pork barrel patronage and lobbyist tribute, took on the hierarchy of the Republican Party and kicked its butt, from Alaska to Delaware to Florida. And unless the Republican Party responds to the will of its constituents, there will be a third party that will reduce the Republican Party to irrelevance.
You got that right!!
oldpedler Wednesday, October 20th at 12:05PM EDT (link)badpiper said it best. Pork is pork no matter what party it is coming from. Earmarks must GO. Lousy legislation is the same. Republicans can repeal Obamacare by understanding they represent their constituents, not the party RINOS. Do it our way or hit the highway. When I hear “we or I think” it only means they are not paying attention to what “We the People” think. All of the so-called Conservatives better put up or get ready to change jobs.
Do not promote the idea of a third party.
Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 7:57PM EDT (link)If you’ll browse up a few threads above yours, you’ll note what happens to those who do so.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Realistically, there already is a third party and it isn't the Tea Party
Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 8:24PM EDT (link)Looking at the polls, its beginning to look like about a third identify as Democrats, a third as Republican and a third as independents. I guess by definition the Is don’t like attenuating to either party.
However, I think the Republicans have the best chance of flipping a majority of them if the Republicans can shed the “baggage” that makes people not want to identify as a Republican or Democrat. A lot of that baggage has to do with how a party governs. We saw the rejection of the Republican governing the last two elections and we are going to see a big rejection of the Democrat’s governing in a couple of weeks.
If the Republicans speak for the PEOPLE the next two years it will bode well in 2012. If they speak for K street and their own pockets, 2012 is going to be a mess.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
judd gregg..........
richtfan Wednesday, October 20th at 10:52AM EDT (link)Anyone who is not for repealing this horrible legislation is not worthy to be reelected. The time for compromise and for “fixing” bad legislation is gone. Repealing the legislation will signal that ALL of it is bad and that this type of crap won’t be tolerated any longer. This is the precise reason that the income tax amendment to the Constitution MUST be repealed and replaced with the FairTax. There is no other way. It’s like trying to keep a turd from stinking by covering up the smell temporarily. At the end of the day it’s still a turd.
There are many ways to repeat Obamacare, some we could start doing now
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, November 4th at 12:00PM EDT (link)I prefer the trojan horse option
http://www.redstate.com/jsobieski/2010/11/04/a-trojan-horse-for-killing-obamacare-in-2011/
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
There are many ways to repeat Obamacare, some we could start doing now
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, November 4th at 12:00PM EDT (link)I prefer the trojan horse option
http://www.redstate.com/jsobieski/2010/11/04/a-trojan-horse-for-killing-obamacare-in-2011/
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
stop obama, then mcconnell
justfedup Wednesday, October 20th at 11:12AM EDT (link)Just read at The American Spectator that Sen Corker is putting out the word that Mitch McConnell is planning to sabotage any attempt to repeal obamacare. Is he so arrogant or senile to think we will be happy with “status quo”? Does he think that we are going away. Not this time. Folks, the real battle starts Nov 3rd.
RINO's remaining after election day.
oldmarine Wednesday, October 20th at 11:18AM EDT (link)Since the majority want Obamacare repealed and no republican senator voted for it,what do they gain to oppose repealing the bill?If any member of the GOP Rino’s won’t fight for the repeal of bambicare,then we need to vote them off the island.Conservatives have had it with the Snowe and Collins wing of the party and their days are numbered.
We know our new power.
miroco Wednesday, October 20th at 12:01PM EDT (link)When I first developed an interest in politics we had no Republicans in Texas. One of many and a few decades later WE became —and I would throw it all away to get rid of the weasels we have now!!!. McConnel is ” Rodenting Out” before my very eyes. I even doubt our own Cornyn. I would rather start over with Cristine Odonnel and my true loves Sarah and AnnC.
Senate Republicans won't repeal Obamacare?
sharinlite Wednesday, October 20th at 12:34PM EDT (link)Here is where the roads truly divides. The RINO’s, Uberleft, Left and Liberals DO NOT GET IT! They all, including this administration must be shown. Every TEA PARTY, 9/12 GROUP and every other group of like mind now need to combine their firepower and use it.
I can email, make phone calls, write letters….let’s all get into this quick and let them know they’ll be gone in 2012.
RINOS in retreat!!
sharinlite Wednesday, October 20th at 12:59PM EDT (link)As I was in the car, after my post, I heard Rush Limbaugh reporting that Corker and McConnell had hit the airwaves denying they basis of this article. Here is a tip for all: get their DC and home telephone numbers from C-Span.org resource link and call them. Use your cell phone before the prime minutes start (I call around 6-8am PST) and after they end…mine end at 9:00 pm PST. Doesn’t cost me a thing and, I can leave a message without having to interact with a live person. Been doing this for the last couple of years and I try to contact every person in congress from either party and others. Try it, they hate phone calls.
RE: Senators may not try . . .
phatphan Wednesday, October 20th at 3:07PM EDT (link)I have suspected such for some time now – it is the reason why I stopped giving to the NRSC. That money goes to RINOs like Graham, Gregg, Corker, McConnell as well assolid Conservative senators like Jim DeMint. Instead I am cont ributing all I can to candidates whom I know to be staunch Conservatives. I am checking out closely my own Republican senator because I have a hard time pinniing him down as to where he stands on critical issues. Fact is, I no longer regard myself as a Republican anyway, but a Conservative instead.
Sharinlite’s suggestion is a positive step we all need to take.
VOTE NOT NEEDED TO VOID HEALTH CARE
Lock_Piatt Wednesday, October 20th at 5:33PM EDT (link)Congress only need to do one of three things to keep Obama from having veto power. One the bill is void per the Constitution because spending bills and revenue bills must originate in the HOUSE not the Senate as this bill did, Two declare the bill void and nullified as a usurpation of powers neither the Legislature or the Executive branch have Constitutional power to act upon. Three claim the power is not included in the enumerated powers in Article I section 8 of the Constitution so therefore the law never was as they did not have authority to act.
So just tell Congress to be honest and do their jobs per the Constitution.
Good Business
Good luck with that
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 5:50PM EDT (link)A government shut down is far more realistic than any of the three avenues you point out.
The ability of Congress to declare laws null and void or unconstitutional AFTER passed by a previous Congress is pretty much limited to passing a statute to repeal.
Otherwise, the 2007 Congress would have declared Bush to be unconstitutional and put him in jail.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
This is really simple
SirGladiator (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 8:42PM EDT (link)All spending bills must originate in the House. Once we control the House, we simply have to not originate a spending bill that funds Obamacare, then it doesn’t really matter whether we succeed or fail in offically repealing it (which obviously we won’t be able to do until 2013 when President Palin won’t veto the repeal like Obama will in 2011), of course we should definitely vote to repeal it as soon as posisble and force Obama to go on record vetoing it, but so long as we don’t fund it then it’ll be close enough to dead, then we can officially kill it in 2013.
What you are describing is the shut down option
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 10:18PM EDT (link)My point is that shut down is the only option for actually undoing anything.
Gridlock will be easy. Rollback will require shutdown. Note, I am all for making repeal the first substantive vote—I am just amused by some of the bravado on our side. The legislative mechanics are as sharp of a weapon as some seem to think.
I am also for forcing confrontation (in a smart way) and having a shut down. Bush tax cuts would be a good issue to force through.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf