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Senate Republicans May Not Try to Repeal Obamacare

By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  October 19th, 2010 at 10:24 AM  | 

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I have told you this before and I will tell you this again. Unless you elect Pat Toomey, Marco Rubio, Ken Buck, Ron Johnson, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Sharron Angle, and Joe Miller, we will never see Obamacare repealed.

Senator Judd Gregg is up today saying that repeal is not recommended.

Sen. Judd Gregg (N.H.), the top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, said that repealing the new healthcare reform law — or looking to defund it — were not good options.

“I don’t think starving or repealing is probably the best approach here,” Gregg said on the Fox Business Network. “You basically go in and restructure it.”

Here’s the thing — Senate leadership staff will say this is just Judd Gregg, who is retiring, and not reflective of the Senate GOP leadership. There is a problem though.

In the past several weeks, there have been several closed door, off the record meetings of high dollar donors getting briefings from various elected officials, including several Senators. In each case the donors have been “reassured” by the Senators present that they have no intention of repealing Obamacare, just restructuring it.

The Senators seemed to think the high dollar donors were not kooks like those tea party activists and would understand the practical need to just “restructure” instead of “repeal.” Unfortunately, the Senators have badly misread the donors.

In any event, you can be sure that Judd Gregg is not speaking out of turn and is not a lone wolf on this issue. His view reflects that of the Senate GOP leadership despite their protestations to the contrary.

Again, if you haven’t sent money to Joe Miller, Sharron Angle, Ken Buck, Pat Toomey, Rand Paul, Ron Johnson, Mike Lee, and Marco Rubio, you better. Repeal of Obamacare depends on them.

UPDATED: It is worth noting that neither Mitch McConnell nor Lamar Alexander have signed on as co-sponsors to Jim DeMint’s legislation that would repeal Obamacare.

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  • JadedByPolitics

    because that is a FULL compliment of Conservatives to FORCE the RINO’s to get in line!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    many companies. NO ONE IS RUNNING on ObamaCare but Harry Reid. The nation abhors it, yet Gregg wants to merely tweak it? Astoundingly stupid and tone deaf. We must send tea partiers to Congress to fix the GOP and USA.

  • merryj1

    …starting November 3. A good place to begin (in the Senate) seems like the bunch who left Lisa Murkowski’s committee posts intact in a behind-closed- doors huddle. That would be the same bunch trying to undermine and neutralize Jim DeMint. Is anyone taking names?

  • smitch61

    Cannot be trusted. All of the names you listed plus Christine O’Donnell. She would be seated immediately, which is even more disturbing in how the GOP is NOT assisting her although she won the primary fair and square. I went to the tea party rallies personally because I wanted the GOP to know I was out here. I believe we can all agree that had it not been for the tea party, we would have had Obama care about 6 months earlier than we did, with the GOP blessing.

  • merryj1

    that Obama nominated Judd for Commerce Secretary, even though he diluted the influence of that post. He must’ve had a reason to believe Judd is a RINO who would see things his way.

  • texasgalt

    Elections matter. If we speak loudly enough, even the Lords of the ruling class will hear us.

    Early voting started in Texas yesterday. Texans, you know what to do . . . straight ticket, all the down to the very bottom of the ballot.

    Then we can have a serious conversation with Senator Cornyn.

  • texasgalt

    with steel-toed boots.

  • banzaibob

    Time to let Cornyn know there is plenty of time to find a candidate to run against him in 2014.

  • earlgrey

    Are we looking at a civil war within the republican party. Judd was going in the air rejecting obamacare before it passed. He was very vocal.

    I have contributed to nearly all of these. Rand Paul seems to be doing OK

    Is this why the establishment wants murky over miller?

  • izoneguy

    N/T

  • itrytobenice

    They’re going to learn a hard lesson in the next election. We the people are sick and tired of our elected representatives believing they are our Rulers.

    We don’t have Lords and Serfs. We have unalienable rights. If they don’t learn that the easy way, we’ll give it to them the hard way.

  • johnconradarens

    It is simply jaw-dropping to me that there remain so many insular establishment-types that are completely unaware that there is a popular non-violent rebellion under way in America. Gregg rather reminds me of the Hapsburg’s that drifted in and out of the Paris peace conference following World War One, thinking they could reassemble the rump ends of their dying fiefdoms.

    The world is changing, swirling around the likes of Graham, and Gregg and Snow; they are not changing with it, to their peril.

  • IJB

    I’ll worry about this if someone like McConnell or Cornyn or Kyl says something like this.

    But the opinions of a lame-duck RINO like Judd Gregg are wholly irrelevant.

  • jenniferjmilleresq

    They need to wrap their brains around the fact that everything is different now.

  • jollygiantsd

    The REAL problem is that these scam artist Dems are running on the Tea Party ticket in order to swipe votes away from the real Republicans and people that can actually make a difference.
    Here in Florida we have 2 offices with people running as TEA Party:

    1) (Senate Dist2) Chris Crawford which was a Democrat long before this Tea Party phenomenon happened.
    2) (Commissioner of Agriculture) We also have Ira Chester which is a Democrat, has close ties and has donated and helped Democrat Scott Maddox.

    In both cases they are literally Democrats running under the Tea Party ticket in order to steal votes from the opposing Republican, and in Crawfords case, trying to run when there is no Democrat opponent in a district that has a 2:1 ratio of REP to DEM which is VERY dangerous.

  • Jason

    I’m thinking she lines up with the establishment on this one.

  • justfedup

    There are no props on the ballot for my precinct, makes it easy. I’ve already contacted “nibble around the edge” Cornyn. They better be listening to what Sarah is saying.

  • earlgrey

    He had been against Ocare. They are not going to have an R that will have to face re-election throw this out when Judd is on his way out.

  • IJB

    No one cares what Judd Gregg says – he has *zero* “juice” now in the Senate GOP caucus. He’s not a “player” anymore. So he’s free to say whatever he wants. But it means *nothing* as to what the Senate GOP will ultimately do.

    If you want to work yourself into a conniption over what a nobody like Judd Gregg says, then be my guest.

    But what Judd Gregg says has *no* bearing on what’s going to happen next year.

  • Locked and Loaded

    In other words, if you want to play in the dirt, keep it to yourself!

  • Locked and Loaded

    In other words, if you want to play in the dirt, keep it to yourself!

  • johnt

    Gregg used to be a solid conservative, a shame.
    After a while they start to get the vapors, walk on clouds, look down from above on us little people. Some of them rather like the idea of this power, they’re just glad the Dems did it.
    Washington and the fact of central government lend themselves to the isolation and fantastical musings of people already weak enough to enter politics in the first place, the separation and inbred culture does the rest.
    The urge to meddle can’t be resisted.

  • msctex

    If the Republican Party is in fact so far gone that it punts this issue, they would do well to remember that the very precisely directed anger of the citizenry currently aimed (mainly) at the Democrats, will be aimed at each and every one of them next cycle. The relatively rational ones need to be aware: this issue is so volatile that only one on the forefront of the Repeal movement should hope to survive a re-election effort. The goal will be an entirely clean slate, as it should be.

    If they drop this ball and side with Obama to any degree or extent, the Republican Party in its current incarnation will cease to exist, and the name itself may even join the Whigs and Know-Nothings in the history texts. Hard to imagine how it could possibly be worth it, but a check of bank accounts would likely provide some answers.

  • smitch61

    I agree totally, should the GOP take control of one or both. The tea party will intensify.

  • fpete13527

    The GOP Senate, has made it clear that they do not want to give up their core principle…..”progressive liberal moderacy/socialism”

    The GOP Senate has continued to fight against conservative Senate candidates, even after the country has declared that that is the direction they want the Senate to go.

    The GOP Senate has continued to endorse the worst of the worst, like Crist, Bennett, Specter, and Murkowski. And they still endorse them.

    The GOP Senate continues to undermine quality conservatives in the Senate, like Jim DeMint, who are the STANDARD, not the fringe.

    Now the GOP Senate allows Obama selectee, Gregg, to mouth off about NOT repealing ObamaCare…..which is by ALL definitions the top priority issue that Republican voters want addressed.

    The GOP Senate wants the country to do the heavy lifting to win back the House and Senate…..so they can simply stroll back in and inject more of their liberal progressive pork style…..WRONG.

  • timesnewroman

    Please review my website YouTube ads. Judd Gregg is prominently featured in these ads exposing the shell game being played on the NH voters and the US taxpayers. KELLY AYOTTE IS HIS PROXY.

    My YouTube ads back up and highlight every statement you are making about Judd Gregg.

    I am the only true and proven conservative in this race.

    gbforu senate.com

    Gerard Beloin For US Senate NH – 2010 – WRITE IN CANDIDATE

  • nepanyrush

    Take a horrible piece of legislation and make some tweaks so (1) it can be bipartisan, (2) it can put conservatives between a rock and hard place in either supporting Obamacare or rejecting some good tweaks; and (3) it can be somewhat less horrendous so Obama can be re-elected. Does nothing for the people of the United States, but it can be a great help to Democrats.

  • uhangtight

    To email or fax these so called Republicans and advise them that there term is up? Tell them we will primary them advising Mitch and his Boy’s Club they will suffer the fate of Castle?

    Because we mean business this time. I am so tired of Mitch Is there any way we can get his but out sooner by maybe forcing a leadership change once the new Senate is in place?

    I am furious. No money to anyone other than those candidates that are not talking out of both sides of their mouths.

  • The_Gadfly

    …which is by ALL definitions the top priority issue that Republican American voters want addressed.

    Because that is what will make Nov 2 a watershed event. The hatred of Obamacare isn’t a partisan Republican issue, it is a non-partisan patriotic issue that unites Republicans, Independents, and even some voters affiliated with the Democrats.

    Anybody who can read a poll should know to opt for Repeal, not Repair on Obamacare. Getting rid of what exists is what you can get people to agree on. Deciding what to put in its place is where the pols meet their Russian winters.

  • The_Gadfly

    Taking back the Senate will be the hard slog. Right now voters are visibly angry and likely to continue to be angry through the November elections. But if House Republicans can undo some of the damage done by The Big 0, in two years the voters might not be quite so angry, or so eager to throw out the bums who caused this mess. The liberal/progressive/socialist/communist element depend on the human trait of forgive and forget to advance their agenda.

  • SIConservative

    Mike Lee is the next Senator from Utah. There’s no reason to give him any money, as it would be much better spent on the other candidates you mentioned.

  • timesnewroman

    Kelly Ayotte is a proxy for RINO Judd Gregg.

    htt p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBkUbTh2xIA

    htt p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaOBKRnhga8&feature=related

    Gerard Beloin For US Senate NH – 2010 – WRITE IN CANDIDATE

  • Marcus_Traianus

    that with a new election and shiny new attitude Republicans should also elect new leadership? By the way, that includes ditching Boehner and McConnell. As long as they are around, one can expect this gutless, spineless, back-biting, two-faced, under-the-table, fast-and-loose, no balls, no respect approach that got us here in the first place to continue.

    Apparently, our “leaders” are already trying to cut deals and “mend fences” with Democrats in order to show “progress”. Is it me or didn’t the Olympia-Susan wing nurtured by the leadership get us here in the first place? Oh wait, they are just nostalgic. Right.

  • deano64

    This election cycle is just the beginning. If any Republican does not follow the will of the people then we will find a replacement for them in the their next primary election.

  • The_Gadfly

    Gregg is out next year, so he makes the perfect pitchman for the money bag handlers because nothing can be done to hurt him. The rest of the guys are still in the game and will be up for re-election at some point, so they can’t say it anywhere that it is remotely possible for a recording of it to be made. Sure, Gregg can be publicly spanked by Erick in a post on RedState, but let’s be serious: that means nothing to a retired pol. If he were running again it might mean something, but he’s not. And the rest are.

    The other thing is that while the Budget Chairman has sway because if you don’t have his cooperation you don’t get money for your home state, there’s a corollary that he doesn’t make a major move or announcement without checking on the team strategy because he needs the team to push through the stuff that keeps him in power.

    So like Erick said, if we don’t put in Joe Miller, Sharron Angle, Ken Buck, Pat Toomey, Rand Paul, Ron Johnson, Mike Lee, and Marco Rubio you can bet Mitch McConnell will be calling the shots instead of Jim DeMint, and the Senate leadership will be looking to “restructure” Obamacare instead of repealing it. Heck, repealing it didn’t even manage to make it to the pledge list and it IS the simpler option. The pledge telegraphed Gregg’s statement as much as anything else out there.

  • fpete13527
  • kestrel

    the establishment wants swamp over beer.

    Cheers, Earl, you are doing all the right things. We are going to win big.

  • The_Gadfly

    First, it was right after the election and The Big 0 was riding high on the “conservatives are dead” wave. If Gregg had taken the position it removes a high power player from the Republican playing field. The hope is you replace him in the special election which follows.

    Second, if he signs on, he has to back your policies to some extent. That gives the LSM the “bipartisan” mantra to repeat to the drones.

    Lastly, as you noted they removed the only item that might have made it a desirable position from the responsibilities list: census count. So when the politics-world-wise Senator from NH turns you down, you still get “they’re all obstructionist” mileage out of it anyway.

    The Big 0′s attempt to appoint Gregg doesn’t make Gregg a RINO. He’s doing that all by himself.

  • kestrel

    speaking for other ?not retiring? senators who fear voters? wrath, but apparently don?t fear it enough.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • partyof1

    100,000 screaming conservatives. Or some kind of high profile action to let the establishment know who we support — DeMint and what we support — repeal.

  • earlgrey

    They pointed out that they will not have the power to do that with Obama in office, so they want to repeal the “bad parts” of the bill. I talked to his office today.

  • Ausonius

    The title is “GOP Leaders Seek To Avoid Past Mistakes” and as one reads with ever more horrified eyes, one sees that the biggest “past mistake” from 1994 is NOT COMPROMISING more with Democrats!!!

    An excerpt:

    ” …Republicans say they are wary of following the example of the class of 1994, which shut down the government in a standoff with President Bill Clinton. Top Republicans contend that passing legislation, or at least making a good faith effort to do so, will earn them more credibility with voters than refusing to waver from purist principles.”

    “It’s pretty clear the American people expect us to use the existing gridlock to create compromise and advance their agenda,” said Rep. Darrell Issa (R., Calif.). “They want us to come together [with the administration] after we agree to disagree.”

    AND this VERY interesting paragraph:

    “Under the leadership of Rep. Kevin McCarthy, a rising star, the GOP has recruited a slate of House candidates with an array of political experience, suggesting they know how to work within the strictures of government. In many cases, these aspirants boast of their record of working with Democrats.”

    See:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303496104575560361114358350.html?mod=WSJ_hps_MIDDLESecondNews

  • chamberD

    can either give their last full measure of devotion to REPEAINGL this ABSOLUTELY EVIL legislation . . .

    OR THERE WILL BE A THIRD PARTY

    Because I will never vote for another Republican — the only national and state-level party I have ever voted for — as long as I live.

    And the Republican Party can go the way of the Whigs — to the oblivion of which THEY ARE SO DESERVING.

    I will NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT LIVE in America under the DICTATORSHIP OF OBAMACARE — nobody

    nobody
    nobody
    on this planet is going to TELL ME that they will “LET [me] choose my doctor,” as that nefarious narcissist in the oval told all Americans in his lying, prevaricating push to force us into a healthcare system that WE UTTERLY REJECT.

    DO YOU HEAR ME?? Republicans, DO YOU??

  • chamberD

    (being a former Tennessean) for a long time that Lamar Alexander is a politician first and foremost — he is Bushian, ruling-elite type, and NO true conservative; never has been.

    The Capitol Building is rife with such useless creatures.

  • mkozikowski

    I guess Sen. Judd Gregg does not understand the situation. We The People are not replacing Democrats with Republicans.
    We are replacing ‘Old Boy’ Elites with ‘Constitutional Conservatives’.
    That means we will just as happily replace an ineffective, elitist RINO like Sen. Gregg with a Tea Party candidate as well as any Liberal.

    His time is coming, and we will remember.

    The book of the Tea Party is only at “Chapter 1, Page 1″.

  • chamberD

    Call DeMint’s office today — clog the system, overload it with our loud and vocal support. Contact both his state and his Capitol offices.

    Make no mistake — the good guys have got to KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that we’ve got their back, and we are adamant and unyielding, and huge in numbers!

  • mkozikowski

    The strength of the Tea Party has grown since 2008. The people have woken up and are ready to take back what is theirs. The country and it’s Government belong to The People, NOT the politicians.

    The Republican elite in Washington actually believe that we are on their side.
    WRONG.
    We are on our side. And either they also on our side OR we will replace them.
    We hold the purse strings and we dole out the pink slips. And we don’t care if they have an ‘R’ or a ‘D’ next to their name.

    Our side is the only one that they should be concerned with.

    “Chapter 1, Page 1″. It begins here and now!

  • JadedByPolitics

    pass judgment on him! thats ok, there are other “Greggs” to go after in 2012 and 2014 and every election from here on out until the Congress reflects WE The People of the United States of America which is a center RIGHT Country!

  • citizenjerry

    The folks want this abominable Obamacare REPEALED, not nibbled around the edges. If the squishy moderate RINOs like Cornyn and Gregg don’t understand that, they’re the next to be voted out.
    My only concern is all the people yelling for a third party. That would only guarantee Democrat power for the rest of forever. Conservative Constitutionalists need to take over the Republican Party and offer a bold choice, not Democrat lite.
    The RINOs can join the Democrat Party, since they’re mostly on-board anyway.

  • chamberD

    Testing the waters. Gregg’s comments can have no repurcussions for him personally, but responses to it telegraph to the McConnell types just how much they can get away with in the area of compromise, taking the path of least resistance, maintaining their power, keeping their reviews moderately positive in the MSM, not rocking the boat, appearing to be the GREAT bipartisans that is ultimately the deathknell of our Republic.

  • mich22

    Joe Miller. Already have some in to Rubio and Steny Hoyer’s opponent in the House, Charles Lollar (MD-5). If everyone just does what they can, we win big.

  • pilgrim

    Currently there are 23 Ds and only 10 Rs that are up in 2012. The numbers may change slightly with the results of the one NY contest and the WV contest this year, but still the Ds are a target rich environment in 2012. Webb, McCaskill, Tester, Casey, and Sherrod Brown are looking like low hanging fruits to pick off.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Yes, short term, we must elect as many conservatives as possible on Nov. 2. GOTV. GOTV. GOTV.

    But, how to influence the RINOs like McConnell and Alexander in the Senate and the RINOs in the House who will be reelected?

    I will tell you again. As long as the Republican Party remains half-empty, with half its precinct committeemen slots, on average, in every state, vacant, without conservatives in those vacant slots, the Party will remain a shell of what it could be — a full strength Party with a 75 per cent conservative majority. All those new conservative precinct committeemen could join with the existing conservatives in the Party to help GOTV in the primaries for the BEST conservative candidates. Can you say “Sharron Angle?” No one but the grass roots conservatives in Nevada who came into the Nevada GOP saw her coming. Can you say, “Bye, bye, Utah Sen. Bob Bennett?” Here in Maricopa County we’ve gone from 1,989 elected PCs in 2008 to 2,936 in 2010. We have our county leadership elections in January. Methinks the conservative candidates are going to win handily. (But, 2,936 is only 47 per cent of the allotted PC slots of 6,241 — there’s one Republican PC allowed by statute for every 125 registered Republican voters in a precinct, so Maricopa County is still below the national average.)

    If we could get every Redstater to become a PC, and get every Redstater to recruit every conservative they know to join them in becoming a PC, we could make a significant impact on the Party.

    GOTV now, for the next 14 days. On Nov. 3, pivot INTO the Party itself. Become a “card carrying member” of it. That’s where the real ball game of politics is played. Plus, it’s fun!

    If anyone has a better strategy, I’m all ears.

    For Liberty,
    ColdWarrior, PC (that?s ?precinct committeeman,? not ?political child!?)
    Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW! (14 days until Nov. 2 — what are YOU DOING to help get out the vote in your precinct?)

  • bobmontgomery

    And they only wanted to spend $500 billion on the stimulus; and they don’t want the EPA to get in too big a hurry to destroy the economy; and they only want enough Islam to be taught in the public schools to keep the Jihadists from car-bombing federal buildings; and they only want the Department of Education to allow politicking in the schools during recess and lunch; and they knew all along that WMD’s was a myth but figured you could just get rid of a dictator and the Shia world would love you forever.

  • earlgrey

    He supports conservative Rs for Senate. So you will support them by supporting him. High fundraising numbers will get more attention for him.

    money talks.

    I shut off my giving, but will drop an extra $100 his way.

    I have been busting my behind doing get out the vote calls for state office candidates, and I just want to tell the state Republicnan party to jump off a cliff, because I am so angry at Lamar Alexander.

  • qixlqatl

    though he will likely remain a part of the “process” by moving into the lobbying industry. I’ll take his departure any way it comes, but it [i]would[/i] be more satisfying to show him the door than have him walk out under his own power…Just one less incumbent that needs to be primaried, allowing us to focus more time, attention and money (assuming I have any….) elsewhere.

  • earlgrey

    My precinct has a captain, but I have been placed on the “team” for my precinct. Ironically, Lamar praised the efforts of our local GOP to grow our precinct captains.

    In the 9th district we have a great longshot candidate running. Her campaign has energized local republicans in her district. This is another reason not to give up on certain districts as we are building a volunteer base for 2012.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    These kind of “boots on the ground, insider” reports help explain the process to others who might be inclined to join in the fun. Please keep us updated from time to time with your progress.

    Thanks again!

    CW

  • whiskey_sierra

    There are ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED different federal agencies.

    If the republicans get majority and there are not at least a couple HUNDRED less after 2 years, I will never vote R again.

    Either the Republican part IS FOR SMALL GOVERNMENT and a Constitutionally limited federal system…. OR THEY ARE NOT.

    After this election they will get the chance to PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

    I will ‘waste’ my vote forever on the smaller parties if needed…if it puts the Marxists in power, then maybe the acceleration of the decline will help future generations. So bit it.

  • whiskey_sierra

    DITTO.

    PUT UP or SHUT UP time Republican party… they have been talking about small government for 50 years and have NEVER EVER reduced it yet when they were in power.

    This is the LAST chance before I am gone, I will teach those that follow me to not be Republicans, and I will use all my final days to work against the Republican party and support candidates from other 3rd parties.

    I don’t care if the USA turns into a Marxist paradise, that will only help accelerate the decline and self-destruction so we can start over.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil_truth

    So we will soon see fully exposed those who are marking themselves as primary targets in 2012 and 2014 will be.

  • chamberD

    And I see at our monthly meetings that the grassroots is heavily RINO, to my utter dismay.

    But there are many like me, too; and all the newcomers are socialism-haters and wise to the infiltration by progressives into our party!

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    The GOP will be electing a new Rep from AL-5 in two short weeks. He can be primaried very easily in two short years. The same way “Republican” Pawkah Griffith was. I’ll be watching and blogging. The GOP needs to man up on this one big time. Defund, delay , expand legislative majorites, repeal. That is all that is acceptable.

  • zollistar

    …and nothing spells clout louder and stronger than $$$$

    That’s one reason I donate to DeMint’s PAC, Gadfly.

    That said, I’ve also donated to almost every person mentioned by Erick on this posting — and to many others besides.

  • zollistar

    “We are on our side” reflects the reality that I am beginning to see.

    I was at a Tea Party-inspired rally this past weekend where I met two women who are still registered Democrats. They now “get it” (they’re big fans of Glen Beck’s btw) and their votes are definitely going to be different on November 2nd in HEAVILY Democratic New York City.

    In due time. so will their registrations.

    I am cautiously optimistic about our country’s future when I meet people like that.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    as a precinct committeeman? Am I right?

    If you’re not a PC, why not become one and try to get all of your conservative friends and family members to join you? And if you don’t have any conservative friends and family members, go join some grass roots conservative groups (tea parties, 9.12 groups, right to life groups, etc.) and try to recruit PCs there?

    We have to do more than just accept what the Republican Party gives us. By becoming a PC, you can become part of the problem and work to turn things around.

    I hope you’ll give it a try.

    For Liberty,
    ColdWarrior, PC (that?s ?precinct committeeman,? not ?political child!?)
    Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW! (14 days until Nov. 2 — what are YOU DOING to help get out the vote in your precinct?)

  • Kyle-MI

    Don’t expect dramatic change with just one election. Our founding fathers set up the government in the Constitution to prevent drastic change because usually that type leads to bad things.

    Remember that we are only electing one third of the Senate and Obama will still be President with the power of the veto. At least wait until after the 2012 election before you abandon the GOP.

    That is not to say that we shouldn’t keep pressure on the GOP leadership. There should be plenty of primary challengers on tap. I wouldn’t mind a few announcing very early (say next Feb.) in order to keep the squishes in check.

  • joayn

    started by Politico. I only heard part of it, but Rush was talking to Darrell Issa and this was talked about.

    Another Dem dirty trick to tamper the enthusiasm of voters. Can you check it out? Somebody have all the info?

  • calgacus

    Miller is the real deal. I think it is very clear that the reason the Republicans did not remove her from her post is because they are rooting for her to win. Alaska is a key testing point. If Miller wins we will have another rock – solid conservative in the Senate. Murkowski is a no on repealing ObamaCare. She is a solid vote for amnesty for illegal aliens.

  • calgacus

    He is literally waging a one man war in Washington.

  • joayn

    promoted by Politico. I only caught part of the conversation but Rush was talking to Darrell Issa.

    Anybody listen to the whole thing?

  • whiskey_sierra

    I don’t know much about that party inner-workings stuff.

    But I am looking at your links now.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    wishy-washy. At one point he tried to explain to Rush how the Republican-controlled House was going to restore the proper process where both sides of the aisle got to participate in the debates, etc. Rush stopped him mid-sentence and shouted at Issa (I’m paraphrasing), “No, No, No. Congressman. The American people do not care about that. You think they care about that? They don’t! They want Obama and the Democrats and their agenda stopped! They want Obama and Axelrod and others in jail, if necessary! The want Obamacare repealed!” Etc.

    I thought Issa, as I said, sounded very wishy-washy. I like him. I’ve met him. He signed a “Pre-Oath of Office” I gave him back in the 1990s when he ran for the U.S. Senate. But it sure sounded like he is beginning to suffer from Inside the Beltway-itis.

    I hope and pray I’m wrong.

    For Liberty,
    ColdWarrior, PC (that?s ?precinct committeeman,? not ?political child!?)
    Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW! (14 days until Nov. 2 — what are YOU DOING to help get out the vote in your precinct?)

  • maisy

    Wah,Wah,Wah- The same Judd Gregg who pratically cried about the burgeoning debt and yet is for importing poverty in the form of millions of illegals? That Judd Gregg?
    Thank God he’s not running or he’d have to be heave-hoed!
    TEA PARTY AMERICANS are the only way to fly!

  • michiganwolverine

    Do they think the voters are stupid?

    After saying NO to repealing and replacing Obamacare, these same senators are going to be pushing Romney/Romneycare as the guy who can fix it all for the people.

    Mr. Fixit-Romney-governor of first in the nation gay marriage, individual mandates, and $50 co-pay for abortions will be who they are recommending for us in 2012.

    Are you listening people?

  • rob777

    Given that we will not likely have veto proof majorities after the elections, repealing Obamacare may not be an immediate option. We should first focus on defunding it. To do that all we need tis to control the House, since that is where funding bills originate. We do not need to cooperation of the Senate simply to deny funding. Repealing this mess will come after the 2012 elections if we can keep the momentum going.

  • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

    Jed.

  • JSobieski

    http://spectator.org/blog/2010/10/15/paul-ryan-on-the-limits-of-the

    Paul Ryan has a good interview on this topic.

    The mechanics of defunding require either (1) a specific rider which must be signed into law (Obama would certainly veto) or (2) simply don’t authorize any HHS funding—i.e. government shutdown scenario.

    Simply pounding one’s fist on a table and demanding it all happen isn’t a valid strategy. I think there is some concern that if R’s don’t play their cards right, that we hurt the 2012 nominee.

    We will need an R President, an R House, and an R Senate to repeal the thing. We will need to gain a lot of Senate seats in 2012 as well as the Presidency. I think the problem here is not one of strategy as it is communication.

    R’s are talking about what happens when the repeal bill is vetoed, and the prospect of a shutdown approaches.

    If they allows themselves to be played like Bill Clinton played them, we lose the 2012 battle which is the key pivotal time to stop Obamacare

  • JSobieski

    http://spectator.org/blog/2010/10/15/paul-ryan-on-the-limits-of-the

    Paul Ryan has a good interview on this topic.

    The mechanics of defunding require either (1) a specific rider which must be signed into law (Obama would certainly veto) or (2) simply don’t authorize any HHS funding—i.e. government shutdown scenario.

    Simply pounding one’s fist on a table and demanding it all happen isn’t a valid strategy. I think there is some concern that if R’s don’t play their cards right, that we hurt the 2012 nominee.

    We will need an R President, an R House, and an R Senate to repeal the thing. We will need to gain a lot of Senate seats in 2012 as well as the Presidency. I think the problem here is not one of strategy as it is communication.

    R’s are talking about what happens when the repeal bill is vetoed, and the prospect of a shutdown approaches.

    If they allows themselves to be played like Bill Clinton played them, we lose the 2012 battle which is the key pivotal time to stop Obamacare

  • mriggio

    I understood Issa was to be the big investigator once in the majority, but all he was giving Rush was process, process and more process, which eventually frustrated Maharushie into his tirade, which I was echoing out loud all over my living room.

    Even Mr. Issa seems unaware of the level of emotion across the conservative countryside. To paraphrase Johnny Carson’s old car-salesman bit-’Gotta investigate, we don’t care; gotta have transparency, we don’t care; gotta stop the Dems *breaks-pointer-stick-on-desk*-then WE CARE!’.

  • chbroussard

    …it needs to take place behind the woodshed.

  • drfredc

    The proper term for the GOP Senate RINOs is the LOSERship, because that’s what they are — the leadership that led the GOP into becoming losers in the last two elections.

  • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

    He sounded like a robot. Rush asked him a question and he wouldn’t respond to the topic in the question. Rush tried again to ask him to respond to a point and Issa refused, used up the precious time talking about nothing. The exchange will of course be available on Rush’s transcripts. Who needs Judd Gregg? I have the stone wall exchange of former bright light Darrell Issa. He was given a priceless forum to say something, anything valuable and he trashed the opportunity.

  • chihank

    If a GOP Congress decides to have another gov’t shutdown, then Obama will win re-election no matter who the GOP nominates in 2012.

    It was the gov’t shutdown led by Newt that helped Clinton. Aided by the media and labor unions, Clinton managed to portray the GOP as greedy, uncaring rich men. The PR victory by Clinton in 1995, is a big reason why GOP leaders are so timid to fight liberalism. The GOP is scared of the media villifying them.

  • http://www.truenorthradio.com/ rob777

    I realize that defunding would require either a shutdown or for Obama to blink. What I am not willing to concede is the notion that it was the shut down that killed the GOP’s momentum in 1995.

    There were numerous other problems that are not present today. First is that the revolution of 1994 was perceived to be led by one person, Newt Gingrich. It is easy to target and demonize one person. The Tea Party movement does not have a single identifiable leader that can be targeted and demonized.

    There is also a point that Rush Limbaugh mentioned today. After the 1994 elections the GOP mad the mistake of assuming that the public would be with them without the need to constantly inform the public on the principled basis for what they were doing. The result was to simply pass legislation without trying to promote the need for what they were doing.

    We also need to consider the fact that the alternative media is in much better shape when compared to the MSM now than it was in 1995.

    Even with the MSM attacking the pro-freedom movement that led to the revolution of 1994, it took the Oklahoma City Bombing, and the use of this to demonize the proponents of limited government, to turn the tide. After all of this, Bill Clinton barely gets by an inept Bob Dole in 1996 because it is a three man race with Ross Perot in it. Obama is no Bill Clinton.

    I think that a defund strategy would work if if the House passed a series of continuing resolutions to fund only the necessary functions of government and left unfunded much of the rest. They would have to use a well thought out marketing campaign to then let the public know that such cuts in spending are needed to prevent us from going down the path already traveled by Greece. There are a lot of duplicate programs and, if done right, such an approach might just awaken the general public to the reality of how much many of these programs are not needed.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    So no credit or blame goes to any action AROUND the shutdown, or ANYTHING else that happened around that ti me, such as Gingrich’s monumental meltdown over Air Force One?

  • Scope

    the fact that Newt gave in to Clinton, and went against his own Contract with America,when the going got tough, that led to another Clinton term. Newt proved that he wasn’t the strong voice some thought he was when he put forth the contract. He folded like a cheap tent, and many gave up on him.

  • texasgalt

    and while I don’t drink much anymore, I’m making an exception for 3 fingers of Jack Black on Tuesday evening, November 2nd.

  • Scope

    If Obama refuses to approve the very basic functions of government, because he wants his babies funded, the government shutdown, as you said with a good messaging team, could be a very redeemable position for the Republicans, but, I doubt the Republican Ruling class currently infesting DC will go for it. I like your idea though rob.

  • http://www.truenorthradio.com/ rob777

    You are right that the current Ruling Class in the GOP would not go for this. The only way that such a thing would have a chance is for the Tea Party to engage in the kind of effort that pressured the GOP to hold ranks in opposition to ObamaCare.

    The first step would be for the Tea Party to claim a governing mandate after the elections if the GOP wins by anything near a significant margin. This claim would be made on the basis of the successful effort that the media and the Dems made to paint the Tea Party as the force behind the GOP resurgence. If the GOP still wins a majority without running on an identifiable platform while the Dems are trying to portray the GOP has haven been taken over by Tea Party “extremists”, the governing mandate goes to the Tea Party. We need to start making this case as soon as the elections are finished. (Providing the results are conducive to making that argument)

  • itrytobenice

    you guys are dead wrong about this. I *am* the R party. You are too. What we’re gonna do is kick these posers out of the party.

    There are *millions* of us and we all consider ourselves Republicans. I’ll not go through the losses of running on a third party ticket when there are primaries before every single election when we can take these rino’s out of commish.

  • cwilson

    Instapundit posted a link to ThePrecinctProject. Insty link here

  • traversecityconservative

    and we’re in the trenches with you, working hard to take back the country AND the Republican party. Check out my new diary – I think you’ll appreciate it – http://www.redstate.com/traversecityconservative/2010/10/19/a-preponderance-amount-of-evidence-shows-karl-rove-to-be-an-ignoramus/

  • http://captainkjscorner.blogspot.com/ kjressler

    If leading Republicans say they do not want to repeal Obabmacare, they have the same affliction that Obama, Reid, Pelosi and the rest of the liberal elite suffer from. Arrogance and a disconnect from the rest us us “Little People” who want Obamacare repealed.

    Obamacare needs to be repealed first thing in January. THAT is what the American people want done, not tinkering with it. Repeal it!

  • gumbeaux

    It would appear that 2011 will be known as the year of the RINO. Congressional ‘republicans’ think they can fix Obamacare. This is a joke with WE THE PEOPLE. It has to be rewritten completely, there is no FIX to it! There is so much hidden in this bill that neither side will tell WE THE PEOPLE what is in the bill. Once you wade through the legal ‘mumbo-jumbo’ it is pure communist or if you like NAZI. I cedes the power that WE THE PEOPLE hold, via our Constitution, to none other than the great hopey-changey messiah, Barack Hussein Obama!

  • davesinsanantonio

    get a third party up and running. Even the TEA Party is too loosely put together to get organized effectively (and rightly so!) So, we must work within the confines of the Republican Party. But, we cannot let any non-conservatives get past the primary again. We must recruit genuine, moral, constitutionalists and then hold their feet to the fire, and primary them if they waver on principles. The Republican Party is already on the ballot in all fifty states. Getting a third party on the ballot is a monumental task; the effort would be better spent getting real conservatives elected.

  • davesinsanantonio

    find the conservatives to replace the RINOs. It may take a bit more work to find the 23 conservatives to face the Dems, but well worth the effort. If we can run real conservatives in every primary, and then every general election, even Democrat winners will be more respectful of the Constitution, and that will be a positive for the country.

  • davesinsanantonio

    Just what we need, another spineless RINO running for president. As if we didn’t have a whole plateful of them already. These guys let their egos overrule their brains. WE THE PEOPLE have to have the backbone necessary to say “no” to them, because they cannot say it to themselves, or to the Dems. We have to stop looking for candidates we think can win elections, and start looking for candidates who can govern according to the Constitution.

  • http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/ reaganiterepublicanresistance

    KEEP IT UP

    Like Palin and Rush said… the GOP is DOOMED if it refuses to embrace the TEA Party movement that’s now putting them back in power

    DE FUND 2011

    REPEAL 2013

    It’s not negiotable-

  • http://twitter.com/agabe10 aarong_inutah

    Don’t forget we have congressman we need to get elected this year too, not just senators.

    Morgan Philpot of Utah is in a tough race against an incumbent “moderate” Democrat that voted for the Deem and Pass resolution that got the Health Care bill through. Then he voted No on the final bill once his vote wasn’t needed. Now he says he won’t work to defund or repeal Obamacare.

    We have to get these fake Blue Dog Democrats out.

    Help Morgan Philpot! http://www.philpotforcongress.com

  • deecal

    If Judd Greg and his ilk betray the base of the voters who are going to put them in the majority in the House, and possibly the Senate, they are committing political suicide.
    The easiest transition in the world will be for the TEA PARTY folks to convert from a loose alliance to a THIRD POLITICAL PARTY.
    While this may not assure a third party victory it will most assuredly guarantee the Republican RINO Party will be a non-entity – a truly fringe political organization that will never recover.
    If that’s their objective, then bring it on. The newly solidified base is ready to meet them on the battle field of ideas and we will win. Guaranteed.

  • mdd1956

    and done everything in their power to see she was not elected, are the same entrenched GOP bunch who will resist repeal.

  • mdd1956

    leadership roles of rino’s and retards.

    become a precinct committeeman.

  • mdd1956

    Give to individual candidates or causes whenever possible.

  • ac7880

    As soon as we are finsihed cleaning out the democrats swamp, RINOs and “good ol boy and girl” Republicans are next.

    NO MORE RINOs, NO MORE APPEASEMENT!

  • dakotamel

    November is just the first step in setting this country to rights. (pun not intended, but appropriate!) We’ll get rid of as many as we can that sit on the spectrum from Marxist to RINO and then go after another round when that dust has settled.

    The Tea Party won’t die. I’m laying odds that it will grow substantially as soon as funding and repeal of Obamacare starts getting discussed. That will light a fire under those who mistakenly still trusted certain members of the Republican leadership to do what’s right.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    and that would be:

    • Solid candidates who have been vetted and have credibility with the local voters (see JD Hayworth).
    • A fund raising apparatus and a solid plan to back credible candidates put together by conservative leadership groups in the states.

    I see lots of comments in the same vein as yours, and while they may sound good in the echo chamber, in the real world, without a solid plan and organization behind credible candidates, we’re just throwing money and effort into the wind.

    Please note that this time out the incumbents who lost did pretty much the same things across the board. They ignored the challenge. They acted like royals with respect to the entitlement of the seat they held (or in Coakley’s case, sought). They ignored the voters to the point of being outright obnoxious. They generally didn’t run a campaign.

    In cases where incumbents won – see McCain for the best example – they didn’t take anything for granted and they won in a walk.

    ’10 is an outlier election. Don’t expect incumbents in ’12 to miss the lesson of how to keep your seat. People like some of the surprise primary winners this time out will get swamped in ’12. Don’t expect to see surprise wins by no-name candidates who haven’t been vetted.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908
  • thebadpiper

    The Democrats don’t get it and they never will. The “Political Class” Republicans don’t get it, but have one last chance to do so. BOTH political parties are in disrepute with the American people for governing in their own self-interest rather than for the good of the Republic and its citizens. The damage to the fabric of the Country by the government could no longer be papered over by vague generalities and high sounding platitudes. Concerned citizens that used to be referred to as the “silent majority” finally had enough and spontaneously, without any political party to bribe them with millions of dollars of pork barrel patronage and lobbyist tribute, took on the hierarchy of the Republican Party and kicked its butt, from Alaska to Delaware to Florida. And unless the Republican Party responds to the will of its constituents, there will be a third party that will reduce the Republican Party to irrelevance.

  • richtfan

    Anyone who is not for repealing this horrible legislation is not worthy to be reelected. The time for compromise and for “fixing” bad legislation is gone. Repealing the legislation will signal that ALL of it is bad and that this type of crap won’t be tolerated any longer. This is the precise reason that the income tax amendment to the Constitution MUST be repealed and replaced with the FairTax. There is no other way. It’s like trying to keep a turd from stinking by covering up the smell temporarily. At the end of the day it’s still a turd.

  • justfedup

    Just read at The American Spectator that Sen Corker is putting out the word that Mitch McConnell is planning to sabotage any attempt to repeal obamacare. Is he so arrogant or senile to think we will be happy with “status quo”? Does he think that we are going away. Not this time. Folks, the real battle starts Nov 3rd.

  • oldmarine

    Since the majority want Obamacare repealed and no republican senator voted for it,what do they gain to oppose repealing the bill?If any member of the GOP Rino’s won’t fight for the repeal of bambicare,then we need to vote them off the island.Conservatives have had it with the Snowe and Collins wing of the party and their days are numbered.

  • miroco

    When I first developed an interest in politics we had no Republicans in Texas. One of many and a few decades later WE became —and I would throw it all away to get rid of the weasels we have now!!!. McConnel is ” Rodenting Out” before my very eyes. I even doubt our own Cornyn. I would rather start over with Cristine Odonnel and my true loves Sarah and AnnC.

  • oldpedler

    badpiper said it best. Pork is pork no matter what party it is coming from. Earmarks must GO. Lousy legislation is the same. Republicans can repeal Obamacare by understanding they represent their constituents, not the party RINOS. Do it our way or hit the highway. When I hear “we or I think” it only means they are not paying attention to what “We the People” think. All of the so-called Conservatives better put up or get ready to change jobs.

  • sharinlite

    Here is where the roads truly divides. The RINO’s, Uberleft, Left and Liberals DO NOT GET IT! They all, including this administration must be shown. Every TEA PARTY, 9/12 GROUP and every other group of like mind now need to combine their firepower and use it.
    I can email, make phone calls, write letters….let’s all get into this quick and let them know they’ll be gone in 2012.

  • sharinlite

    As I was in the car, after my post, I heard Rush Limbaugh reporting that Corker and McConnell had hit the airwaves denying they basis of this article. Here is a tip for all: get their DC and home telephone numbers from C-Span.org resource link and call them. Use your cell phone before the prime minutes start (I call around 6-8am PST) and after they end…mine end at 9:00 pm PST. Doesn’t cost me a thing and, I can leave a message without having to interact with a live person. Been doing this for the last couple of years and I try to contact every person in congress from either party and others. Try it, they hate phone calls.

  • phatphan

    I have suspected such for some time now – it is the reason why I stopped giving to the NRSC. That money goes to RINOs like Graham, Gregg, Corker, McConnell as well assolid Conservative senators like Jim DeMint. Instead I am cont ributing all I can to candidates whom I know to be staunch Conservatives. I am checking out closely my own Republican senator because I have a hard time pinniing him down as to where he stands on critical issues. Fact is, I no longer regard myself as a Republican anyway, but a Conservative instead.

    Sharinlite’s suggestion is a positive step we all need to take.

  • chamberD

    If the Republican establishment remains intractable, if they fail to JOIN the Tea Party movement and instead continue to offer up bromides, if they want to make this an us or them party — then they themselves have chosen ‘the dark side.’ They themselves will have made themselves forever redundant.

    Do not think for a moment that the entrenched ruling elite is not capable of calling in their chits (think McCain and his ‘efforts’ to ‘help’ Miller and what that portends — ala Scott Brown) when the s%#^ hits the fan in the Senate, for example. And all as one, the elites put the screws to the freshman to get along or lose all hope of choice committee seats, or lose all hope of any $ support next election time.

    Do not think for a moment the elite will not give our neophyte, conservative heores the snake-oil Rx, ask them for one small, seemingly insignificant, comrpromise, all in an effor to chip away at their resolve to stay true to their prinicples. And chip, and chip, and chip.

    I’ll be watching. Closely.

  • Lock_Piatt

    Congress only need to do one of three things to keep Obama from having veto power. One the bill is void per the Constitution because spending bills and revenue bills must originate in the HOUSE not the Senate as this bill did, Two declare the bill void and nullified as a usurpation of powers neither the Legislature or the Executive branch have Constitutional power to act upon. Three claim the power is not included in the enumerated powers in Article I section 8 of the Constitution so therefore the law never was as they did not have authority to act.

    So just tell Congress to be honest and do their jobs per the Constitution.

  • JSobieski

    A government shut down is far more realistic than any of the three avenues you point out.

    The ability of Congress to declare laws null and void or unconstitutional AFTER passed by a previous Congress is pretty much limited to passing a statute to repeal.

    Otherwise, the 2007 Congress would have declared Bush to be unconstitutional and put him in jail.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Unfortunately, some posters aren’t bright enough to understand how basic street politics work.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • kenchely

    So this is going to be like the “impeachment” of Bill Clinton. The Republicans are really playing the same tune as the Democrats, just in a different key. You can elect any of these guys you want; there won’t be more than maybe 35 senators in favor in repealing this monstrosity because most of the Republicans are bought, too.

    And I gave Republican candidates money this year. I’m a disabled veteran. I feel sick. I could have saved my money, because no matter what happens this year, the Democrat program continues. Maybe they’ll cut a few pennies from what the Dems passed, but it will be the same horror. Under one pretense or another, the socialists win and the government continues to grow. The Republicans just want the people who make over $250,000 to pay a little less of the burden.

  • kenchely

    So this is going to be like the “impeachment” of Bill Clinton. The Republicans are really playing the same tune as the Democrats, just in a different key. You can elect any of these guys you want; there won’t be more than maybe 35 senators in favor in repealing this monstrosity because most of the Republicans are bought, too.

    And I gave Republican candidates money this year. I’m a disabled veteran. I feel sick. I could have saved my money, because no matter what happens this year, the Democrat program continues. Maybe they’ll cut a few pennies from what the Dems passed, but it will be the same horror. Under one pretense or another, the socialists win and the government continues to grow. The Republicans just want the people who make over $250,000 to pay a little less of the burden.

  • Bill S

    If you’ll browse up a few threads above yours, you’ll note what happens to those who do so.

  • Tbone

    Looking at the polls, its beginning to look like about a third identify as Democrats, a third as Republican and a third as independents. I guess by definition the Is don’t like attenuating to either party.

    However, I think the Republicans have the best chance of flipping a majority of them if the Republicans can shed the “baggage” that makes people not want to identify as a Republican or Democrat. A lot of that baggage has to do with how a party governs. We saw the rejection of the Republican governing the last two elections and we are going to see a big rejection of the Democrat’s governing in a couple of weeks.

    If the Republicans speak for the PEOPLE the next two years it will bode well in 2012. If they speak for K street and their own pockets, 2012 is going to be a mess.

  • SirGladiator

    All spending bills must originate in the House. Once we control the House, we simply have to not originate a spending bill that funds Obamacare, then it doesn’t really matter whether we succeed or fail in offically repealing it (which obviously we won’t be able to do until 2013 when President Palin won’t veto the repeal like Obama will in 2011), of course we should definitely vote to repeal it as soon as posisble and force Obama to go on record vetoing it, but so long as we don’t fund it then it’ll be close enough to dead, then we can officially kill it in 2013.

  • soljerblue

    That was retired Navy officer Les Phillip, who finished third in the balloting that Moe Brooks won. Not sure if Brooks is anywhere near the conservative that Phillip is, but the best thing conservatives in that district could do is get Phillip back in the race up there in 2012, or to run for the legislature. I had the honor and pleasure to meet and get to know Les during his campaign, and my read is, he’s the real deal!

  • JSobieski

    My point is that shut down is the only option for actually undoing anything.

    Gridlock will be easy. Rollback will require shutdown. Note, I am all for making repeal the first substantive vote—I am just amused by some of the bravado on our side. The legislative mechanics are as sharp of a weapon as some seem to think.

    I am also for forcing confrontation (in a smart way) and having a shut down. Bush tax cuts would be a good issue to force through.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    He can start heating up in the Bull Pen if Mo Brooks ever forgets who he works for!

  • JSobieski

    I prefer the trojan horse option

    http://www.redstate.com/jsobieski/2010/11/04/a-trojan-horse-for-killing-obamacare-in-2011/

  • JSobieski

    I prefer the trojan horse option

    http://www.redstate.com/jsobieski/2010/11/04/a-trojan-horse-for-killing-obamacare-in-2011/