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Stopping Sarah Palin

Much has been made of this story about Republicans attacking Sarah Palin and trying to stop her.

There have been some ferocious denials today about it. Many would-be 2012 candidates have denounced it, etc.

Here are the facts: there is a significant, though small contingent of heavily anti-Palin forces at the upper echelons of the Establishment GOP in Washington.

A good number of them are actually Hill staffers already beginning to pick a side with 2012 campaigns and using press contacts to savage Palin. There is also a goodly portion of people within existing campaign infrastructures. Largely these hits are done at the staff level and sometimes without knowledge of the candidates themselves so they won’t have to dirty their hands.

If you want to find out who some of the loudest anti-Palin voices are, in another year or so start checking for House and Senate staffers who have left to work on 2012 campaigns.

Now that you have the facts, here is what you need to know about these same people: they largely despise the tea party movement. They loath Jim DeMint too, but view Palin as easier to pick on. They think the issues being advanced by small government types are ridiculous. They do not like Sarah Palin because they think (a) she is not very bright and (b) she is not ‘grounded’ in the ways of the political world of Washington.

In reality, these people loath Sarah Palin because she is standing up to them, the policies these people have long advocated and Palin opposes have contributed to the mess we are in, and Sarah Palin and the candidates she is backing have largely been kicking their asses to kingdom come.

Between those attacking Palin and Palin, I’m with Palin.

COMMENTS

  • Adjoran

    Remember that Allen and Vanderhei are no friends of the GOP, and since it seems beyond hope they could aid the Democrats in this midterm election, they can best further their goals by sowing discord in Republican ranks.

    While it would hardly be a shock that early supporters of other potential candidates would like to dispute Palin’s electability, when no one is named as a source, remember they could all just be fabricated.

    The Politico boys would have a great laugh if they can feed the “us vs the Establishment” divide and cause a split in the GOP at the very moment of our greatest triumph in many years. Don’t let them get away with it.

    We will have to stand together to weather the storms of propaganda the Democrats and the legacy media will be throwing at our members in the new Congress. Remember who the enemy is: Obama, the left, and media hacks like Allen and Vanderhei.

  • texasmama

    to picking on Palin. If it is true that the party establishment would like to rid the party of her–do they really want to run against her as an independent? If anyone could mount a formidable 3rd party run, it’s her, and that would be a Dem victory for sure.

  • chihank

    Erick, good job of zeroing in on those un-named GOP sources that like to trash conservatives via Politico.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    I really respect you and if you are simply pointing out that she is being attacked by the vultures in the media unfairly, then yes you are right. Has she been a good cheer learder for conservatisim this cycle? Yes. Is she a good candidate for the GOP nod in 2012 ? HELL NO.

    I’m a life long conservative and I agree with her on most of her stances, but I cant take her seriously when I hear her talk. Please tell me we can come up with a better candidate for GOP nod than her in 2012 and I know this isn’t the time to talk about this with the election tommorow, but that was the real point of the article and I will count myself as one of the people who will say “anyone but Palin and Obama in 2012″

  • rdelbov

    For I all I know I could be quoted in that piece. They took bits and pieces of other interviews and wove a story.

    This piece is a wedge piece–I wonder why all the original news work on the problems with teapartycandidates and the GOP seems to originate in the MSM.

  • proudmarinemom

    Congress”:

    http://www.conservatives4congress.com/2010/11/watch-christine-odonnells-30-minute-tv.html

    A Google banner ad at the top of the screen provides a link to another site to “Stop Sarah Palin” (at least it was there a few minutes ago).

    Why would they take advertising funds from such a site and why would anyone pay to advertise against Palin on a Conservative website? Maybe I just don’t understand how online ads work.

  • Scope

    or some of them anyway, are the ones they desire to push on the newbies coming in in January. I so hope that your diary of last week, talking about the newly elected, that they will resist the advice/demands of the Ruling Class, and shun the already entrenched, Washington insider staffers. It sounds as though they are actually worse than the Good Ole Boy, elected Washington elites.

  • paramedichess

    I agree that these stories are only designed to create dissension within the GOP, and in part they are succeeding. But put aside the Politico stories or establishment attacks and lets be serious for a minute. Sarah Palin is UNELECTABLE. She is a 1/2 term governor of a politically insignificant state who (true or not) has been successfully painted as an airhead by the MSM. The average American who pays very little attention to politics thinks she is an unintelligent right-wing extremist. These are the same people who put Obama in power in 2008 and are about to give the House back to the GOP. We need these people to beat Obama in 2012 and we won’t get them with Palin. Like her or not, she can’t win. We need to focus on solidly conservative candidates who can.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    any notion of supporting her for president. One point Rove was trying to make and its true, is that there is a certian level of dignity, class and reverence that must be reserved for someone holding that office and its clearly lacking with Obama but with her it would be the same thing. You could love or hate Bush all you wanted, but he was never a regular topic of the national enquirer.

  • Oz

    I won’t say that I think Palin running is a good idea (because I don’t like to lie), but I do think it is totally within her right to do so.

  • Oz

    I won’t say that I think Palin running is a good idea (because I don’t like to lie), but I do think it is totally within her right to do so.

  • deano64

    Goldwater have and are now being said about Sarah Palin. Now you attack Palin the same way Goldwater was attacked while you wear a Goldwater badge so to speak. It would almost be funny if it weren’t so sad. See next post where Goldwater says “I wasn’t attacking Palin in fact I like her. The problem is she’s unelectable because well I just can’t take her seriously”

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    …we have a long history with Sarah here at RS. No one, and I mean no one, here, is positioning her for a 2012 run. And no one is more aware of her pluses and minuses as a candidate than Sarah herself.

    What she is, and I think you agree, is the No 1 most visible cheerleader for conservatism…although, would it make some of you less comfortable to say she is the No 1 most visible “quarterback” instead?. That does make some guy-people uncomfortable, you see.
    If the shoe fits…

    And what she also is…is the bane of the Left. They are obsessed, perhaps a little like you, by projecting what her intentions are when in fact she has made no direct indication of anything other than being a cheerleader/quarterback. This discomfort she causes makes our heart sing here at RS.

    Erick’s writing on this has been pretty unconditional the past year, so my suggestion, take him at his word…his strict word. Don’t slice it, dice it, or draw inferences from it.

    Send all your warnings the RNC.

    .

  • tngal

    But if I may …

    “She is a 1/2 term governor of a politically insignificant state who (true or not) has been successfully painted as an airhead by the MSM.”

    And I’m reminded of BHO’s bona fides. He served in the senate and was a community organizer. Well, if nothing else it qualified him ofr a peace prize I guess.

    Palin’s doing a pretty good job of community organizing. She’s doing great in many states rallying the masses. She was on her city council, then became mayor before being governor.

    In other words she’s got as much going for her on her political resume as BHO, and somehow he got elected.

    I would never say that someone is unelectable, not after O got put into power. If he can get elected anyone can.

  • simba

    in the primaries and defeat her instead of trying to push her out. Isn’t this why we have the primaries??. In any case she hasn’t said she is going to run and what gurantee do we have that one of those establishment candidates will be able to defeat Obama??. If she decides to run, the better because she will force the rest of the candidates to clearly espouse the conservative principles and convince the primary voters that they a better alternative than her.

  • Zaber

    During my daily scouting of the Kossacks to see what else we’re being blamed for, I routinely run across ads for conservative books and websites.

    Apparently, they can do a better job of matching tooth whitening remedies invented by a local mother to Google searches than they can matching politcal ads to political ideologies.

  • Zaber

    During my daily scouting of the Kossacks to see what else we’re being blamed for, I routinely run across ads for conservative books and websites.

    Apparently, they can do a better job of matching tooth whitening remedies invented by a local mother to Google searches than they can matching politcal ads to political ideologies.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    …you can draw flies better than anyone I know. (With honey of course) Attacks by the GOP on Palin are about her influence, not her ambitions, at least for now. So far, these guys don’t get it.

  • laxconservative

    I just shook my head yesterday when Chris Wallace was interviewing her yesterday and she compared herself to Reagan.

    First, Reagan served two full terms in the most populous state in the union and which represents one of the largest economies in the world standing on its own. Palin served half a term in a state with the population of El Paso, Texas.

    Secondly, I hope that true fiscal conservatives call her out on the windfall profits tax she pushed onto the oil companies in Alaska. She needs to provide some serious answers as to why a tool of left-wing of the democratic party is something she constantly references in a positive light on the stump. Raise your hands if you remember her talking about making the oil companies pay their “fair share”. That’s a liberal talking point – not supply-side economics.

  • Randy

    And who exactly would you think a good nominee would be? I’m pretty sure in a straight up debate with anyone you come up with she would trounce any name you throw out (including Christie because he is unacceptable to social cons). Right now the field of potential candidates in 12 for the Republicans (other than Palin) aren’t going to draw her 25% support unless she gives it, she may not be the nominee but she will decide who that nominee is ultimately. I still suspect that the “Rs” will screw the 10 election up (read McCain/Graham) and there will be 3rd party challenges galore in 12.

  • davidf

    For someone who “the average American” would think is an “unintelligent right-wing extremist”, Sarah Palin sure has been able to fool millions of Americans across the country into supporting and voting for her endorsed candidates in droves. If the average American really thought Sarah Palin was an airhead extremist, she would not have had such an enormous positive impact on the primary and mid-term elections as well as the general political discussion that she has had this entire year.

    Perhaps it’s just the elitist GOP establishment that believes or, more accurately, wants to perpetuate the “unintelligent right-wing extremist” meme — probably because they know it isn’t true, and it scares them.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    She is a great cheerleader and a good target for the vampires on the left. But I think the fear of the GOP staffers in that article is of her becoming the nomination and that scares me to death as well.

  • JSobieski

    (1) Any comparison to a Barack Obama standard shoud be avoided
    (2) This entire discussion should be delayed until November 3rd

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    because he was too conservative. Palin is unelectable because she isnt that bright, and no I came to that conclusion after listing to her own words.

  • http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/ reaganiterepublicanresistance

    As “stopping Sarah Palin”

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    and confuse that with the “average american voter”, I know a lot of “average american voters” who tend to lean right who are scared to death of her.

  • chihank

    I have my doubts about whether Palin would be an effective President. However, if Palin decided to run for President, I would respect her decision and let her make her case. If she can’t do that, then grassroot conservatives will rally around someone.

    The point of the Politico article is that these Un-Named Sources don’t trust the grassroots and feel they must step in to make the decision for them.

    Let the grassroots decide on a candidate to support without inference from the Establishment. Isn’t that the point of supporting Rubio, Rand Paul, Joe Miller, Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donnell, and Ken Buck?

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    This mild rebuke is directed at those who choose today to pile on Palin. I am new to RS and hope that I’m not speaking out of turn.

    Personally, my three favorite January, 2013 scenarios are a President Jindal, President Christie, or President Pawlenty. But I will get behind Sarah Palin and advocate for her if she is our nominee. I suspect that this is the case for most Republicans.

    I don’t think that this story is timed accidentally. Remember that if and only if we get out the vote tomorrow, our party is set to make historic gains; as Erick recently pointed out,?as of today, we have won nothing.

    Just a reminder:?Don’t lose focus over a divisive smear job. We have 24 months before the next President is elected. We have 24 hours before the next Congress is elected. Let’s do what we can to show our county what historic means.

  • tngal

    This is what sarah is calling the media which use these “anonymous sources” , according to a story up now at Dailycaller.

    I like it. Sarah is a wordsmith.

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/01/sarah-palin-pounds-liberal-media-outlets-like-politico-for-using-anonymous-sources-to-attack-her/#ixzz144SevGnG

  • redneck_hippie

    the fiercer the entrenched entities attack.

    Palin $, Palin “corrupt bastards” callings out, Palin star power in general, are a threat and will be attacked.

    Plus, I stopped believing anything in Politico years ago. Thanks EE for reminding us that the b__________s can only win if they manage to divide us.

  • Robert Allen Leeper
  • natlanthem

    Palin will likely not run for president … But I guarandamnteeya she will endorse the next one. Find someone worthy of it.

  • SoulEspresso

    No way would Obama have been elected in any year other than 2008. He was a total blank slate but the public trusted the media on who was better and risked the country on an unknown. They’re learning better now.

    If his popularity continues to crater (it may be already too far gone) the people will vote in whatever alternative they have even if they have to hold their noses. It seems unlikely that Obama will be able to work with the Congress beginning in January. If Palin wins the GOP primary in 2012, she’s Madame President.

    I too would rather have someone who is less of a media celebrity–a media celebrity is who we have in the office right now. But I’ll vote for Palin enthusiastically if she’s the nominee.

  • deano64

    with Reagan’s 11th commandment or you just don’t give rats a… Maybe you could just find a candidate you like and say great things about them instead of jumping on here to bash a fellow Republican. Maybe Goldwater was unlelectable because people like you in his own party attacked him as “a Nut, not to smart, some yahoo cowboy from out west, too right wing” Hmm sounds familiar. You would certainly be welcomed with open arms over at HuffPo or DailyKos with this drivel.

  • bluerose75

    I just love when the Politico mentions “unnamed GOP sources” what in the blue devil does that mean!! Heck they could stop at a Wendy’s Drive Thru and get a quote from a cashier or order taker and claim “unnamed sources” That is catch phrase for COWARD!!

    I am smell ROVE disease around this story and people aligned in the alternate galaxy for this story. McConnell and his group of misfits I am sure are behind this debacle. Pure and simple that dislike Palin’s popularity and ability to connect with voters. Take a trip with me back down memory lane and lets think 1976 when another rising GOP star was not thought of so fondly by the ESTABLISHMENT….hmmm!! could it be Reagan. The original and still GREATEST politician I have ever seen. He was depised by the Country Club/Wine Tasting/Cocktail Party boobs in DC from the GOP.

    And look who to this day is admired and now considered the third most popular President in US History but Ronald Reagan. A man who to this day casts his shadow far and wide and never lurks far from our minds!!

    Sarah has some Ronald in her and that scares entrenched back benchers in DC! They fear her in ways no other political candidate can and for one reason..She cannot be controlled!! which means a power shift away from the back benchers whose lives revolve around the DC party circuit.

    I love when I hear people from RS say she could not be President and the reasons are usually the same that can be found at any State ot Mill DC Restaurant with BS for the lunch special!! They said the same of Reagan and we all know how that turned out!

    Go Sarah!!

  • rsexteriors

    I hope your not referring to any of the retreads that have been running in the past election cycles because there is very little that is conservative about any of them.

    If a Scumbag like Obama can win with an overwhelming majority then Sarah Palin can without a doubt win.

    Why do you think these “Staffers” and Liberal media and libtards are so worried about her running and are trying to ensure she does not run? Because if she runs she will WIN.

  • Mary Beth

    Either she makes the case for herself or she doesn’t. If she doesn’t, she’ll support the Conservative who does.

    Worse case scenario… she doesn’t make it but forwards the Conservative cause and raises the standard in the discourse of the other candidates.

  • rsexteriors

    chauvinist or both.

    What has Sarah done that has made her a regular topic of the National Enquirer? and don’t give me crap that you read from the liberal media. Tell me WHAT HORRIBLE THINGS HAS SHE ACTUALLY DONE?

    Class and reverence —- Jimmy Carter —- Bill Clinton —- Barrack Obama

    Yeah Sarah would bring back class and reverence to the white house

    And as far as Bush goes (forgetting about the drug and alcohol abuse in his past) he did act proper in the white house, but he went way to far. He, with Rove’s counsel, refused to defend himself against the constant onslaught from the democrats and media. BIG MISTAKE

    Sarah would not put up with the CORRUPT BAST_RDS and I Love that about her

  • Tbone

    because if she wants the nomination, the favors she has built up in the Tea Party movement will produce a thunder from the boots on the ground that will trample the other Republican chancers.

  • Tbone

    Hillary is going to primary him right out of office. What, all you elitist, political wonks, you think Bill Clinton is out on the campaign trail building up favors for Obama?

    You guys are so clueless it’s cute.

  • Illinicon

    because he still has enough support from blacks, college kids and profressors and unions to win a democrat primary one on one. Maybe Dean and HRC collude both run so Dean siphon’s off enough leftist from Obama that HRC can win by having the conservative/moderate elements but a 3-way race race is about the only way it could be done.

  • Mary Beth
  • powertothepeople

    I would agree with you, but Obama may be arrogant, but he is not stupid. He has given out the right favors to the right people who in turn will protect his seat. Then top it all of with his arrogance, which will cause him to refuse to drop out even though it will sink his ship.

    It would be unprecedented for the wing of a party to endorse or allow a seated president to have a contender among their own party. If it happens, you will see a civil war erupt on that side. The black vote will scream racism and will in mass refuse to vote, the super liberal will split down the middle on who to support, and the men versus women group will knife each other. I would love for it to happen as when the smoke clears, we could put up Chavez and he would win.

    I would love for it to happen as it would benefit us, but I just can not see the democratic headquarters allowing such a thing. Nor will Obama step down as he is too arrogant. But I could see Hilary run against Obama on a separate third party ticket which would be even better.

    But you could be right, crazier things have happened. Lets hope you are, that is unless of course she does run and wins. God I could not take another 4 years of them having power much less four years of her.

  • SirGladiator

    The fans of Obama having something in common with the leftist-Republicans who have recently been trashing Sarah Palin, and that is that facts and results are not their friends. The fact is that Obama never ran anything, while Palin ran a city and a state, and ran both extremely effectively and was very popular in both jobs, in fact the most popular Governor in America. They can pretend she isn’t smart, or isn’t capable of being President, but we know for a fact that Obama isn’t because he never ran anything, and when he tried running the Country he failed miserably. Palin has run everything she has ever run, from a business, to a city, to a state, extremely well. Her record is one of getting good, positive results for the People. Its the same in politics. She helped clean up the Alaska Republican Party, getting rid of a LOT of corruption. More recently, she’s been a huge reason why so many Conservatives won their primaries, and why enthusiasm is at an all time high for the vote tomorrow, and we’re at a 15 point lead in the Generic Ballot and are going to win an incredibly large number of seats in both the House and Senate.

    She’s worked hard for the Tea Party candidates, getting tons of them elected in Primaries and tomorrow will be a day of great victory as well. She’s actually managed to help turn a HISTORIC gender gap on its head, as for the first time in the history of one poll, which goes back to 1994, the Republicans actually LEAD among women! Sarah Palin is bringing the Women of America back to the GOP, she’s doing it this year, she’s going to do it again as the Presidential nominee, and as President. She’s clearly beaten Obama this year, and she’s going to do it again next go-round as well. So for all you liberals and RINOs out there, feel free to keep saying clearly false negative things about Sarah Palin, she’s proven you wrong time and time again, and will continue to do so, both before and after she wins the Presidency in 2012.

  • Tbone

    and it is King Barry. Only the blacks will be pissed and the Dems will figure that they will pick up enough lunch pail Dems, who will never vote for Obama again, to offset the black losses.

    The only way Obama remains viable is for the Repub Congressional leaders to blow it….AGAIN!

  • mikerazar

    nt

  • californiagold

    Count me as one of the few who actually watches the low rated Morning Joe comedy show on MSNBC. Joe Scarborough, who once was elected as a conservative republican in the state of Florida, now uses his show to bash Sarah Palin on every opportunity.

    Scarborough’s latest attack on Palin centered on his claim that he has ‘republican insiders” that tell him that if Palin is the nominee in 2012, the republican party will be set back a generation. Scarborough also said that his “insider” sources think Palin is unintelligent.

    What Scarborough failed to say was that Sarah Palin is more responsible for the republicans retaking congress than any other republican in America.

  • victrola

    doesn’t mean she’s the best choice for Republicans in 2012. Believe me, Democrats are salivating at getting to run against her in 2012. That should make any conservative nervous.

    I am so sick of the “she makes Establishment Republicans nervous because she’s the only true conservative. That’s the only reason” That’s a cop out answer, and I don’t find her to be a “pure conservative” , she wholeheartedly embraced TARP for one (which is the biggest reason WHY the Tea Party was formed, corporate bailouts). She also, as Governor (for a half-term) doesn’t have a single conservative accomplishment she can point to.

    I also get outraged at the unfair personal attacks against Palin, and no question she has been unfairly portrayed by the MSM, but conservatives need to have a rational discussion on her electability. It seems like whenever this issue is brought up, Palinistas act like someone is insulting their wife.

    I like her stance on the issues, I don’t question she’s a conservative, but I don’t think she can win, so she’s off my list. I’m looking for a President, not a martyr. I also don’t see her accomplishing any more as President than the other names that are floating around, even if she is to their Right.

  • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

    Our country has been lost, lifetimes of work and sacrifice eradicated without apology, George Soros and the UN are ensconced in the White House. This is fairly close to death right now. To say that compared to all this, Sarah Palin scares them to death is pretty funny. I put a higher priority on getting people like George Soros and Karl Rove out of my life. I want people who put the country first. The internet has changed politics forever.

  • bluerose75

    Joe Scarborough is no Conservatve!! It is laughable! He is a total joke and to think he once represented a very conservative part of the Florida Panhandle! He dislikes Palin because he has become an intellectual snob!! And like so many other people of the clouds he snubs his nose at her! This Benedict Arnold in front of a camera always claims, in one way or another, that his Republican friends (of course he never mentions their names) tell him this about Sarah and that about Sarah and so on. Yeah his friends….Larry, Curly and Moe!! I wonder if they are not imaginery!! such as the term Conservative when used to describe this half baked potato!

  • fpete13527

    …….are about to get an enormous freight train driven over them.

    They are the same GOP group that still loves Charlie Crist, Trent Lott, Meghan McCain and all things progressive.

    They are also the same group who stand AGAINST all the quality things that the Tea Party stands for and most people on RS stand for.

    I say roll that freight train over them fast and hard.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Me too.

    Thank you.

    For Liberty,
    ColdWarrior, PC (that?s ?precinct committeeman,? not ?political child!?)
    Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW! (1 day until Nov. 2 — what are YOU DOING to help get out the vote in your precinct?)

  • eburke
  • roscopico

    Is that a reference to that guy who spectacularly flamed out here at RS and now works for Murkowski?

    If so, well played.

  • tngal

    I thought she ran out of adjectives so I was going to send her a few of mine. They primarily involve barnyard animals and fits into the ‘ porn producing’ train of thought . Maybe she’ll use them next week?

  • sta46

    of my mind springs the vague memory of having read that when O brought back David Plouffe he assigned Plouffe the task of rewriting the Dem Party Rules specifically to preclude the possibility of being primaried in 2012.

  • texasgalt

    I like Palin . . . I like her a lot. Dumb? I’ve been to a Palin event. I watched her take unscripted questions. She is not dumb. She is becoming more polished.

    For those paying attention over the weekend, she very clearly said if no credible Republican candidate could rise above the back-benchers, it would be her duty to run and she would do so.

    Some may say anybody but Palin. I would say anybody but anyone from the sorry bunch of Republicans who couldn’t cut it in ’08.

  • Read Chesterton

    Not so much as a republican HRC scheming and triangulating for 2012. I have the feeling she is where she feels she is doing the best by God, family, and country, and making a few bucks in the process. More power to her.

  • jmcmd

    The only thing this story tells me is that the libs and RINOS (? redundant) have done the math and understand that it will be very difficult to descrbe the results tomorrow as anything but a huge conservative victory. Whether or not Sarah Palin is electable or even considering running is not something we should be discussing tonight. If she decides to run, makes the best case for herself in the primary, and wins the nomination I will suit up and fight for her. For now all I know is that Sarah Palin absolutely infuriates and scares to death the people that are ruing this country. That is reason enough to stand by her.

  • Mary Beth
  • Scope

    sees that the O cannot carry forward, and, tomorrow will be a backlash on Obama, he will not put his bucks with the O in 2012. He was formerly a Clinton supporter, but, saw the benefit to running “the first real black president.” He knew that many, not only the minorities would swing the O’s way, and, he knew that the guilt by the whites could be swung that way. During the 08 campaign, so many believed the O’s promises, and, thought that he would bring the country together. The Progressives have also worked on the victim/redistribution thing, for years. The Progressives, many with Soros funding have infiltrated many traditional institutions in the country who were ripe for his picking,namely the 1960 Alinsky leftovers.

    Soros has put so many billions in the takeover of this country, he will never just easily walk away in defeat. He will go back to Hillary as his next savior. HC has kept her nose under the radar, for the most part. She sure has had some foreign policy mistakes, but, not enough for the Democrats, that still think there really is a Democrat party, rather than a totally taken over Progressive party will rush to her. She will denounce some of the radical things that the O has done. She will paint herself as a “less radical” Democrat. Bill is working the crowds now for that benefit. He is collecting chits. The Clintons will never go away, because Hillary was robbed of her “turn.” Not many will understand that she will finish off what the O has started. She will be much harder to beat than the O.

    It would be foolish to not start on defeating her now. She cannot sneak in under the radar. Stealth is her game.

  • blooch
  • texasgalt

    And it says more about her than anything else. TRIG is why she is so hated.

    The self loathing left and not a few on the right know they haven’t the courage to do what Palin did.

  • Scope

    Here we go again. It was sickening with O’Donnell and Joe Miller. It just may get intolerable when it comes to Palin. Hey, free speech and all that.

  • roscopico
  • David123
  • David123
  • gekster

    we fing our nominee.

  • gekster
  • justfedup

    We need someone who will get it done. Who will stick to their guns. Principle over popularity. Unfortunately McCain allowed Sarah to fend for herself & allowed the msm to create a narrative of her. Don’t underestimate her. Do you really believe America wants to keep someone in the White House, that thinks we can take another terrorist attack? That allows the the DOJ to sue Arizona? That has Kevin Jennings watching our kids? Sarah doesn’t back down. Can you see Mitt repealing obamacare? I think not. Newt shrinking government? Don’t think so. Ask yourself who has taken on the establishment & gotten it done? My prediction, we will send Michael Williams to the Senate in 2012 & cornyn home in 2014. Nuff said.

  • gd10782

    I will follow Palin in 2012 NOT the Republican Party. I would rather have Obama win than some water down Republican. You want to run DeMint, okay I’m with you but Huckabee,Pawlenty heck NO. If she would run as a third Party Candidate I would support her in a heart beat. I DON’T want a Ivy League double talking person. I want the real thing and thats her. NO more McCains, Fords and Dole ‘s etc etc. It’s not a wasted vote to vote your
    conscious. At least with Obama winning we can say it was the Democrats who destroyed our country not some nice talking pretty boy who never believed in what he was saying but sure could say it well. Newt is the best speaker but do you trust him?The only way I would consider voting for someone else is that she give her blessing, But, 2012 is still a long way off and a lot can happen before that rolls around.

  • smitch61

    Sarah Palin has done more for the conservative’s and the republican party than anyone. She has worked the hardest. Look where we all were just two short years ago.

    I feel better tonight than I have felt in over two years.

  • smitch61

    typo

  • libertarianphilip

    There may be more.
    My nominees are;

    Bureaucrats,
    Knee jerk reactionaries allergic to change,
    Progressive Republicans,

    for the second battalion of the Legion of the Doomed.

    Remember Child of Liberty, tyrants are seldom civil when they are distracted by the sound of their death knell ringing.

  • smitch61

    Not the whole show, just enough to tick me off… He has become a true idiot.

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    The O was dealing with having a hard time filling half a dozen seats towards the end of the election…

    I still can’t believe the O won without massive fraud on his behalf… just my opinion…

    By their actions you know them and if they’re being backbiting jerks against a stand up person like Palin they don’t deserve to have any relevance in anything significant – ever again. Palin’s popularity is not just that she’s hot – it’s in her words and deeds she is touching the core interest of sincerely trying to do what is best for everyone and not just insider special interests/being part of an elite club within closed circles of *powerful people* etc. Her popularity stems from the consent of the people she speaks to in that it is that people want public servants that will do the right thing. The huge positive attention she gets from so many makes the self serving attention whores jealous and bitter.
    /2c

  • tea4me

    ….the more my disdain for him builds. He’s quickly becoming my most despised RINO,

  • audax
  • rsexteriors

    for a “party to allow a seated president to have a contender amoung their own party”?

    Didn’t Ted Kennedy run against Carter in 1980 during the Primary????????

    And Obama has actually accomplished something I thought no President could ever accomplish….. He is actually worse then Carter.

    Hillary will run against Obama if it is as bad tomorrow as predicted.

    If they just lose 40 -45 seats in the house she may not. But if they lose 60+ she will be resigning from her office within six months and start her campaign against him.

  • rsexteriors

    for a “party to allow a seated president to have a contender amoung their own party”?

    Didn’t Ted Kennedy run against Carter in 1980 during the Primary????????

    And Obama has actually accomplished something I thought no President could ever accomplish….. He is actually worse then Carter.

    Hillary will run against Obama if it is as bad tomorrow as predicted.

    If they just lose 40 -45 seats in the house she may not. But if they lose 60+ she will be resigning from her office within six months and start her campaign against him.

  • jeffreywturner

    You can only hope to contain her!!!!!!!

    Every attack on her by RINO’s and the MSM just makes me love her more.

  • paramedichess

    America elected Obama despite his almost non-existent resume and look at the disaster that came from that. Many people have pointed out to me that Palin packs the stadiums with enthusiastic fans, and she does. The problem is that those stands are full of conservative republicans, who will vote for our nominee no matter who he/she is. Palin has not proven (and has actually proven not) to appeal to independent voters who have no party affiliation. I know a number of people that I work with who don’t follow politics, generally lean republican, and say they would never vote for her. I like Sarah Palin, and I agree with her on most issues. She has not, however, proven her ability to lead (I don’t care what the circumstances were – resigning as governor is not the way to prove your ability to lead) and I think nominating her is our best chance of seeing four more years of Obama. Palin should run for the senate seat in AK in four years or run for GOP chair. She would do an excellent job of raising money and rallying the base.

  • Remington_Steele
  • 6eorge Jetson

    nt

  • AKSteveB

    If Palin is the nominee ..there WILL be a Third Party challenge. If she isn’t and is unhappy about ..SHE will be the Third Party challenge.

  • drfredc

    This sounds a lot like the whining RINO virus that is rampant amongst the GOP Senate LOSERship. Nuff said?

  • Finrod

    Obama’s drones have been busy changing the Dem primary/caucus rules so as to make it as difficult as possible for any Dem to challenge him for the 2012 nomination.

    If you thought Hillary got gypped out of the 2008 nomination, just wait till 2012 plays out. The only way Obama isn’t the 2012 nominee is if he declines to run or if he’s no longer in office (death, resignation or impeachment).

  • acat

    .. who try to “parse” what she’s saying to “find the real message”.

    No wonder they’re confused. Sarah is very straightforward, what she says is what she means.

    She says she’ll run “if there’s not a better candidate”. Whaddya wanna bet that if there’s a recognized, actual conservative in the race – and this actual conservative has game in Iowa and New Hampshire, that shell drop and cheer-lead from the sidelines? I think she would.*

    Mew

    * full disclosure – I think that’s a good scenario for 2012, positions her very nicely to work the crowd for 2014 and then run in 2016.

  • acat

    And that’s the big misteak conservatives have made in the past, IMO. Giving up being Right for being Republican. and “in power”.

    Trading a democrat power elite for a republican ruling class did not help us.

    Unity and loyalty are fine things, noble things, good things. They don’t mean a thing if they only work one way, though… and the ruling class members of the RNC need their feet held to the fire.

    To them, especially the wannabe-ruling-class staffers who have the most to lose in a conservative congress, Palin is the face of the issue.

    It’s almost a case of Alinsky applied backwards. To them, the issue has been personified, they’re frozen, and if they don’t snap out of it, they’ll be destroyed.

    Mew

  • davenj1

    The GOP needs to send Palin & Steele on a two-year caribou-hunting expedition. Have them just go away. Look at the bigger picture- getting Obama out of office before he screws this country up even more. That person is NOT Sarah Palin. I am thinking more in terms of an electable Pawlenty or Daniels. As for easing her out, she’s great at stirring up the pot, but President Palin? No way in hell.

  • victrola

    So what you’re telling me is if Palin had stopped having children before Trig, she would be loved by Liberals?

    I have a close relative who’s VERY pro-choice, and she gave birth to a child with down’s syndrome. I don’t think the two are always intertwined.

    There’s more to the conservative movement than just abortion (you’ll notice it’s been a minor issue this cycle)

    Palin’s also not the only Republican candidate that believes in protecting innocent life. Everyone who’s thrown their hat in the ring so far is pro-life.

    It’s also completely unfair to pre-judge and say other people who profess to believe in the sanctity of life wouldn’t have made the same decision.

  • Adjoran

    The midterm is today. The first 2012 voting is well over a year away. There are NO declared candidates yet, and anything can happen in Presidential politics. And usually does.

    For instance, 15 months out from the beginning of the primary and caucus season, only 3% of Democratic voters in 1974 even knew who Jimmy Carter was. In 1962, Nixon’s career was thought over.

    In 1966, no one expected LBJ to drop out of the race. In 1970, McGovern was just a Senator who chaired the Democrats’ Reform Commission to change the primary rules (he paid attention to what he was doing, though).

    In 1986, it was “Dukakis who?” In 1990, Clinton was still under a cloud for his marathon boring ’88 convention speech. In 1998, the Bush the Republicans were expecting to run was Jeb. In 2006, it was thought Obama was just setting himself up for a future run.

    There will be plenty of time to fight all the nomination battles. Save some ammo!

  • Adjoran

    I will support the nominee.

    Please please PLEASE don’t let it Huckabee, though!

  • expatuae

    This article is provocative BS, and nonsense to boot.I agree it is a feeble attempt to create divisions.

    Some in the GOP Establishment don’t like her? DUH! Some don’t like pretty much any candidate. That is why there is a primary. And btw, 65% of the US population have a negative opinion of Palin’s presidential aspirations. So many GOP outside the establishement also don’t want her as nominee given what they know now.

    But now is not the time to talk about this.

  • grey

    Channeling your inner LBJ, are you?
    (“Sir, we can’t call him a ***-******!” …”Maybe not, but let’s see the S*B try and deny it.”)

  • Martin Knight

    Second, after the schedule she’s kept supporting so many of our candidates, the least you could do is disagree without dissing her.

    And considering how integral she’s been in keeping the base’s spirits up, getting us involved again after McCain threw away 2008 and everything else she’s done this cycle, anyone who wants her to “just go away” is either on the other side or not thinking beyond his own prejudices.

  • grey

    Posts like this eventually earn the poster the sobriquet of “concern troll”.
    Goldwater lost because of the Daisy Girl commercial.

    Palin’s “reputation” as an intellectual lightweight is the same crud the “intellectuals” (Eastern elitists) like to throw at *all* conservatives.
    Trivial counterexamples: Pat Robertson of the 700 Club has a Yale law degree, as does GOP Senatorial candidate in Alaska Joe Miller. Dubya (’43) has a Harvard MBA, and was called Chimpy and other terms of intellectual respect.

    In other words, for the elitists, even an advanced degree from an Ivy League school will not shield their ideological targets from the smear.

    But for those on their good list, … well. Al Gore flunked out of Divinity School and has said that the Earth’s core is “millions of degrees.” Rosie O’Donnell (*NOT* Christine) has said that “fire cannot melt steel”.

    The meme of Sarah’s vapidity was helped along by the active sabotaging of her campaign by campaign advisors (as she detailed in *Going Rogue*).
    As she became free from them, her political instincts have come to the fore (remember the now-legendary “Death Panels” Tweet? I maintain that that tweet, together with Rick Santorelli’s “Tea Party” line, are what began what appears to be the GOP avalanche / Teanami due to arrive at polling places tomorrow).

    Americans are tired of being played by mellifluous liars. What the elites mistake for unsophistication (and then attributing to stupidity) is actually honesty and direct speech. The kind Ronald Reagan was known — and in the press, crucified — for. You can find YouTube videos of the Carter campaign against Reagan where interviewees said they were voting for Carter because Reagan would lead us into Nuclear War (TM). Despite ABC’s “The Day After, ” complete with Ronald Wilson Reagan soundalike coming over the radios after the nukes hit, we are still here: and no Berlin Wall either, which fell without a shot. No thanks to the *annointed* who held their methods so superior to that Warmonger, Reagan.

    It’d be nice to see more Republicans working to release themselves from Dem brainwashing and propaganda.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    At this point I’d like to see her in Steele’s job.

  • audax
  • grey

    The average American *also* doesn’t vote at all, so their opinion doesn’t count at the ballot box.

    Those who are intelligent and informed (and are not mere DC hacks out to preserve their near-hereditary fiefdoms) *do* support her, and will turn out in droves to do so.

    As far as your claim “These are the same people who put Obama in power in 2008 and are about to give the House back to the GOP” — this is manifestly untrue.

    In 2008, most of the Conservatives sat out due to the sell-out McCain being at the top of the ticket. The only reason it wasn’t a landslide was Palin’s drawing power.
    The 2010 election hasn’t happened yet. But we need to look at the exit polls closely. So far the opinion polls show that Obama has lost “the gender gap” to Republicans; that the youth and blacks (who voted monumentally for Obama) are sitting this round out, preferring instead to go to the Jon Stewart “Rally to Restore Slackers” event instead of working on GOTV, or going to the polls.
    Let’s examine the exit polls after the fact tomorrow, and see how many of the Tea Partiers and/or Independents who comprised the Teanami are in fact those who either sat out due to McCain, or who supported Palin.

    Incidentally, what is Obama’s drawing power to rallies even in his inner-city or college-town strongholds in the week before the election?
    Are you sure he’s going to be formidable in 2012? (Aside from any rumors of Hillary’s revenge, even his base has given up on him.) That’s why Harry Reid has to ship in Dem staffers from all over the country to help GOTV — or something more nefarious — in NV; that’s why the candidate in Rhode Island openly said of a sitting President in his OWN PARTY, the week before the election, that he could “shove it.”

    Nice try on the propaganda.

  • JSobieski

    but I saw the interview, and I don’t think its accurate to say that Palin compared herself to Reagan in the way that you imply she did.

    The exact context matters. She compared herself to Reagan in the sense that Reagan was an actor, and that Palin would be on a “reality show” about Alaska.

    It was a limited comparison. She was NOT comparing her achievements as governor to Reagan’s. Her comparison was LIMITED to the TV show.

    I am somewhere in the middle on the question of Palin, and I do think your comment above was unfair.

  • deano64

    You’ve made similar comments in previous Palin topic threads. So say she ends up not running and cheer-leads in 2012. Works the crowd in 2014 and runs in 2016. Do you assume Obama wins in 2012 or she primaries the sitting Republican in 2016?

  • Finrod

    It wouldn’t be another conservative, because no candidate would be able to out-conservative her. Perhaps a moderate might, and there’s historical precedent for that: John Anderson in 1980. But Anderson didn’t really have a significant effect on that election; Reagan won anyways. I can’t see any moderate having any significant effect in an Obama vs Palin election.

  • Finrod

    However, of the examples you give there, only one, W, is on the Republican side. Democrats are much more likely to pick a candidate out of nowhere than Republicans are. Republicans tend to pick the ‘next in line’, often someone who’s run before: Nixon in 1968 (nominee 8 years previous), Reagan in 1980 (runner-up candidate 4 years before, candidate 12 years before), Bush Sr. in 1988 (Reagan’s VP, runner-up candidate 8 years before), Dole in 1996 (runner-up candidate 8 years before), McCain in 2008 (runner-up candidate 8 years before). That’s every election since 1968 where there wasn’t an incumbent Republican President, and there’s a pretty common thread there.

  • merryj1

    I guess Palin is a Seinfeld fan. Great line that was.

  • merryj1

    I guess Palin is a Seinfeld fan. Great line that was.

  • audax
  • Michael Dugas

    If she couldn’t win the primary as the Republican candidate and goes Indie to run like Charlie “Tan in a Can” Crist or Lisa “I’m owed this Seat” Murkowski than what kind of hypocrites would we be to support that behavior.
    I haven’t made up my mind yet if she’s presidential material, in my opinion. That said the establishment republicans are idiots for ostracizing such a motivational force as well as a great fundraiser in Sarah Palin. The Tea Party, Conservatives, Sarah Palin etc are the only reason the Republican Party has any shot at the House and Senate at all and they are idiots for treating both as they have been.
    The Tea Party, Conservatives, Sarah Palin etc have shown more
    common sense by understanding that the Republican Party was the only logical path by which to express themselves. They could have chosen the Crist/Murkowski/Specter rational and thus given the election to the Democrats but they were smart and realized that folly. Unlike the Establishment Republicans who wasted time, money and possibly cost us seats we could have additionally won
    if they had even marginally supported the non-establishment primary winners. Miller in Alaska is a great example. He may pull off a win anyway but it sure wouldn’t have been so tough if he had been supported properly by the GOP after winning the primary.
    If by some long shot we weren’t to win the House today we know full and well where the blame lays for that.

  • Mary Beth
  • Martin Knight

    Going with “electable” got us Charlie Crist, Arlen Specter and John ‘Bipartisan Maverick’ McCain – proving that for all their electability – they’re not electable.

  • Ann_W

    Do we really think they want rank and file Republicans to benefit from knowing what their leaders are up to? Think about the timing. If this story has been around, Why now???

    They are dividing the electorate. And… long term they are guaranteeing that she is the nominee by pushing the button they know conservatives always respond to. WE WILL FIGHT and RALLY to defend someone, particularly Palin from the mainstream media. It’s in our DNA. You don’t think they know that!! So then they have chosen our nominee, short circuited all the thoughtful conversations that we should have to choose the leader of the FREE World!! They chose GWBush for us by saying he was the one who was chosen and had all the money. We need to CHOOSE OUR OWN freaking candidate with discussion and thought not by reacting like little Pavlovian dogs to what the media puts in front of us!!

  • Ann_W
  • acat

    is that Obama will get primaried in 2012, but that the tea party wave can carry a hardcore conservative on the top of the ticket …

    but if Conservatives implement change on the scale of Reagan or Contract with America, we risk whoever’s on top of the ticket if not the entire ticket being a one-term. Not sure that’s the role Palin wants .. if she wants it, it’s hers….

    Mew

  • dajeeps

    What’s going on right now is far larger than Palin. She has played a major role in providing the leadership and motivation in getting conservatives and the more libertarian-minded out there and active. But what I have seen happening in recent weeks, like the RINOs jumping the gun and spreading propaganda against libertarians, seeking to first benefit from the more libertarian minded and then cast us aside as they did in the late 90s and into the early part of the last decade, makes it more clear to me than ever that the primaries need to be allowed to take care of themselves while we take down the big gov’t. guys who destroyed the Republican brand in the first place before they do it again. If we care about what happens after we win (or whether we win and deliver on the limited gov’t. promise) these people have to go.

    To me, that is one of Sarah’s major strengths, rallying conservatives and libertarians, and getting these guys on the run. It might be completely selfish of me, but I would rather have her free to take potshots at them instead of having her run while they take potshots at her and she ends up on the defensive the entire time. The 2012 election is far to important to the survival of the republic than to have these guys, who only care about themselves, destroying the real potential we have to put us back where we should be.

  • deano64

    of a long term conservative ascedancy that will carry any good conservative POTUS 2 terms. I guess we’ll know more about where we are at after today.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    …one thing i know about GK fans, is they can all read and understand the King’s English. You’re right on.

    Prognosticators this far out tend the 1) think they can read the hearts of other men and 2) love the sounds of their own voices.

    I haven’t much use for them

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    a teat fit, I want it today, about a thing that can’t possibly happen for app 21 months.

    Chill out.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    …conservatism, not personalities

  • acat
  • acat

    I hope, at least. .. because after that, although there were a lot more battles and victory was not assured, there was finally a path to it.

    That said, it wasn’t over after the Bulge… not by a long shot.. and that’s why I’m thinking a hardcore fire-and-doom one-term Conservative may be needed to follow Obama, followed by a two-term more .. calmly immovable Conservative.

    I would rather see Palin, who has the gift of speaking and of leading a crowd, as well as the gift of cutting to the root of an issue (“death panels”) in the two-term role. She’s less likely to be moved an inch by normal Dem tactics, having seen them for what they are.

    Mew

  • acat

    And I acknowledge up front that this is all generalizations…

    Boomers tend to like fancy, high production values, (mellifluous speakers as you put it) well-dressed productions. The Obama “coronation ceremony” was precisely targeted for aging Boomers.

    Gen-Xers don’t trust high production values projects… and are going to take over the “heavy lifting” as more and more boomers age out. A little “grit” showing through, some non-faked one-of-us stuff, like Scott Brown’s pickup truck work well for this group. Xers also don’t seem to forget – in my experience – so get caught faking folksy and it’s over, eh?

    Gen-Yers seem to share the Xers lack of trust for flash, but unlike the Xers, they seem much more inclined to keep their opinions to themselves. It’s going to be interesting to watch them mature… especially in this lousy economy.

    Mew

  • powertothepeople

    The Battle Of The Bulge is one of my favorite battles and did change the course of the war, but we nearly got beat and had that happened, the outcome would have been different possibly. On the other hand, with the Blitzkrieg, it is over before the enemy even knows it started. I would rather beat the dems so fast and so powerfully, they do not even know what happened.

    But yours was a good analogy also. It was a great battle.

  • Finrod

    By my count, Romney was the runner-up to McCain in 2008. Sure, Huckabee got more delegates but that’s solely because he stayed in the race well past the point where he couldn’t win.

    Like it or lump it, Romney and Palin are the preliminary front-runners for 2012.

  • Robert Allen Leeper

    I was thinking of staffers, who should never do anything to foment discord or push any agenda of their own.

    Unity around and loyalty are good values for the legislators too, but not at the expense of being right. “Being right” often means adhering to conservative principles, but in any case, they should be true to whatever they said in their campaigns and loyal to the people who elected them.