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Potential Tea Party Targets for 2012

As you are settling down from yesterday’s victories, you will want to also pay attention to this list. While many will be focusing on a potential Presidential pick for the GOP, we should not all get distracted by that.

We have a significant opportunity to improve the Senate GOP through some primaries. Here is a list of potential targets for primaries — the Senate Republicans up for re-election in 2012:

John Barasso (WY)
Scott Brown (MA)
Bob Corker (TN)
John Ensign (NV)
Orrin Hatch (UT)
Kay Bailey Hutchison (TX)
Jon Kyl (AZ)
Richard Lugar (IN)
Olympia Snowe (ME)
Roger Wicker (MS)

Just to clarify — this is the list of every Republican up for re-election in the Senate. They are from whom targets will be chosen by the tea party and are not all targets themselves.

It is, however, a statement of fact that the Mike Lee election will embolden tea party activists to try to push seats to the right in GOP primaries.

Now, before you all get giddy about Olympia Snowe, I would respectfully suggest that Corker, Hatch, Hutchison, Lugar, and Wicker make better targets as we have a much greater certainty of both beating them in primaries and also winning the general election.

The New England Republicans like Snowe and Brown might not be the wisest primary fights for the tea party movement.

Wicker and Corker in particular make exciting prospects for the tea party movement.

COMMENTS

  • Pirohy

    more intelligently next time. We shouldn’t do the Democrats any favors by putting up a weak candidate like Angle again.

  • stephaniet

    Republican? Pfft. Sure doesn’t vote like one. And when I sent him a (mostly) respectful and (quite) scalding letter about confirming Elena Kagan, his reply was a lot of pathetic excuses. In my first letter to him, I said “Do NOT vote for this woman, and here’s why.” In my followup, I said, pretty much, “You did not vote in a way that is good for your constituents OR the nation. Shame on you!” Cue the excuses. Apparently he didn’t like that I had said exactly what was on my mind (with none of the swearing, though, and in complete, intelligent sentences) without a mess of pointless niceties.

    He’s getting weak. Leaning too much toward the left, I fear. We can do better. We WILL do better.

  • itdiehard

    Then maybe they will listen to “we the people” and stop listening to K street or playing get along politics. ” we the people” always loose some of our freedoms when the get along game is played.

    The new congress needs to work on some easy task first. Like role back mercury bulb, the toilet laws. let “we the people” make the choice versus it be cram down “we the people” throats.. We the people hate this type of governance.

    Start by removing some of the government control over are daily lives. This would be a good start for republicans and would show what the Dem real stand for control of the people and not for limit government.

  • http://www.cosmopolitanconservative.com Adrienne Royer

    This weekend, Corker suddenly sent all of his constituents and email announcing that debt and federal spending is alarmingly! out of control (who knew?!?), and he’s scheduled a series of town hall meetings throughout the state.

    Most if not all of the meetings are at weird times during the day, so most folks won’t be able to attend. Oddly, Memphis and Nashville — the two Democratic strongholds– are the only cities with meetings in the evening.

    Afraid of some tea partiers, Bob?

    Convenient isn’t it? Suddenly, good ol Sponge Bob (a nickname from his campaign in 2006), realized we’re in dire financial straits 3 days before an election?

    I swore last night that I would do whatever it takes to get Corker out of there. I hope that other conservatives in TN will join me.

  • kinggold

    The calculus of contesting the primaries worked exactly as well as it should have. We got conservatives elected in purple states, strong conservatives elected in red states.

    Strong conservatives lost in purple states, and conservatives lost in blue states. It is now completely evident that recruitment should be the top priority for the GOP and the Tea Party.

    Here’s what the results tell me – the Democrats have a silver bullet against Tea Party candidates, and that’s personalization of a race. We can’t let this happen again.

  • Praying

    Corker’s Knoxville event is at 8:30 a.m. Fine. I’ll stop off on my way to work. Fear me, Senator Corker. I am Tea Party Proud and GOP Pure. You are neither.

  • kinggold

    with John Barrasso?

    He’s very conservative, he was our point man in health care, and he’s a DeMint-Coburn ally. What’s his cardinal sin?

  • wimom

    Feingold suggested last night in an obtuse way that he would be running for Kohl’s senate seat. We beat him (Feingold) once, we can beat him again.

  • JadedByPolitics

    TEA Party Movement Senator to TAKE DOWN! I cannot stand his go along to get along attitude and how over the years that has weakened and destroyed this great Country of ours! bye bye Orrin!

  • indyjohn

    I heartily agree with Lugar’s inclusion on this list. Lugar is not quite a RINO, but has been in the Senate so long now that he considers himself to be above party considerations – he is an International Statesman, for whom the provincial interests of Hoosiers are barely worth notice. He believes that he is an indispensible fixture in the Senate, and if he is not forcibly retired, will hang on, much like Robert Byrd, until he is wheeled out of the Senate on a gurney.

  • itrytobenice

    I’m not a full time Barrasso follower, but I really like what I’ve seen of him. He seems smart and articulate and was a great spokesman on HCR.

  • stephaniet

    I’d rather have him dragged out of the Senate by his tie since I was always taught that it’s quite cruel to wish for someone’s death…

    Anybody who’s been in as long as Lugar has needs to be retired, I think. After a couple terms they tend to start ignoring what the folks back home want. I found that to be particularly obvious when I sent him (and Bayh, and Rep. Buyer) lots and lots of letters over the past six months, and Buyer was the only one who consistently thought I was worthy of his time to get a reply–and not one of those annoyingly generic letters, either. I always like to hear back from my Congress critters. Helps me know how to vote in the next election.

  • Addison

    …it seems to me that conservatives can more easily influence races through primaries where the GOP isn’t the incumbent, and with a greater chance of actually reaching the general election — you just have to be the strongest of a bunch of non-incumbents — and just as much chance of eventual victory.

    Dianne Feinstein of California
    Tom Carper of Delaware
    Bill Nelson of Florida
    Daniel Akaka of Hawaii
    Ben Cardin of Maryland
    Debbie Stabenow of Michigan
    Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota
    Claire McCaskill of Missouri
    Jon Tester of Montana
    Ben Nelson of Nebraska
    Bob Menendez of New Jersey
    Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico
    Kent Conrad of North Dakota
    Sherrod Brown of Ohio
    Bob Casey, Jr. of Pennsylvania
    Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island
    Jim Webb of Virginia
    Maria Cantwell of Washington
    Herb Kohl of Wisconsin

    …all Senate Dems up for re-election in 2012. Frankly, after last night they ALL look vulnerable to a well-run campaign (well, maybe not Akaka). Although the above list serves as a warning of course, it’s perhaps unnecessary given the reality of Castle and Crist and Bennett — one imagines most moderate Republicans get it by now, right?

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    that anyone targeted for 2012 KNOWS IT. Write them letters. Show up to their town halls.

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if some of these Rs suddenly discovered their inner Tea Partier? It would sure help us in the next two years.

    Don’t just let them sit there, figuring you can’t do anything until 2012. Hold them accountable.

  • itrytobenice

    It would be Corker, Wicker, Hutchison and Lugar.

  • tngal

    A couple of thiese individuals have the God given sense to realize which way the wind is shifting and will make upcoming votes based on this knowledge. Some will take a scorched earch policy. Is Scott Brown the most conservative? No, But now may not be the best time to put them on notice. They still have votes to cast and can help or hurt our cause greatly in what time they have left. I’m good with sticking my tongue out at Corker right now though.

  • blh1976

    sitting GOP members (i.e. to challenge them in their primaries).

  • Addison

    What would putting them on notice do? Make them vote the way you want in an attempt to “trick” you? That’s the main purpose they serve in Congress, to vote the way you want — and the record is what it is no matter their intention, yeas and yeas and nays are nays. So if they’re voting your way for the next two years it seems like in many ways you’ve won the seat already, right?

  • potkas7

    The Commonwealth of Massachusetts, whose proudest achievement and greatest claim to fame is that it was the only state that didn’t vote for Nixon in ’72, has just re-elected Obama’s Grad-School roommate and Chicago home-boy – Deval Patrick – to a second term as Governor. And, the destruction of the housing market and with it the national economy not withstanding, they’ve returned Barney Frank to office for the ump-teenth time. Do you really think that a primary challenge to Scott Brown would do anything more than guarantee that seat goes back to a Democrat?

    Scott Brown is a decent guy, and is about as conservative a politician as you are going to find in New England. With him you have a toe hold, a beachhead. If you work to drive him out of office you’ve got nothing.

  • audax

    …and that is to “put them on notice” that the votes they cast better be the RIGHT votes. To expect them to be pro-active conservative-nouns might be to much to ask, but we will have plenty of other NEW Tea Party conservative-nouns to do the pro-active stuff, they just need to be good followers until 2012.

  • davidabippus

    Barrasso is not an issue – I see him as an asset – and I would not include him on this list.

  • davidabippus

    We already have a candidate to take out KBH in 2012:

    http://www.williamsfortexas.com/

  • GopTiger

    Some want to protect the Republican brand by not nominating RINOs. I agree with that.

    However, Conservatives and Tea Party members MUST protect their brand better as well by not nominating people who have been on national television talking about the evils of masturbation, dating Satanists, wanting to eliminate the minimum wage, or do away with social security. When you select these candidates, you make it all too easy for the liberals to demonize us. This is not complicated.

    You either do a better job of QUALITY candidate recruitment/support OR continue to hand seats to the Democrats.

  • davidabippus

    Jason Chaffetz? He is Conservative, smart and articulate. He is the first that comes to mind for me in Utah.

  • Oz

    With all due respect, Snowe and Brown are conservatives for where they serve.

    If you go more conservative, you’re just shooting for permanent minority status.

  • Oz

    Nelson, Nelson, Tester, Congrad, and Webb would be my top five on that list.

  • audax

    Just deleted list of Dems twice while trying to post. It’s sad that there are only 10 Reps running in 2012 and all of them made Erics list. For Red Staters wondering why Dr. Barosso is on the list, in 1996 he ran for the Wyoming Senate as a pro-choice, social moderate but has since moved right, could this be why he made the list? Other than tha,t Dr. Barosso seems pretty conservative-noun.

  • Scope

    in 2012, it is doubtful that he will win re-election. His race was the only one happening when it did. Everyone, from across the nation, concentrated on him because of the Ocare bill, including the Tea Party people. I believe he campaigned on being number 41. That will not be the case in 2012. Not many expected him to be a great conservative, but, many did believe he would be fiscally conservative. He proved everyone wrong with his vote for the takeover of the entire financial industry by the federal government. I highly doubt he will get any large percentage of the vote in 2012, especially when there will be many other seats being fought for at the same time. Mass. is just a liberal state, period. Harvard is the Mass. satellite office for the current WH. Any voters that would keep Barney Frank in office, and Deval Patrick, are beyond hopeless, they are the brain dead.

  • audax

    A GREAT and ARTICULATE Conservative-noun like Micheal Williams in Senate from Texas…..HISTORY MAKING!!!

    JudgeTed Poe for primary challenger against Cornyn in 2014!!!!!

  • GopTiger

    Brown and Snowe are about as good as we are going to get in those states. We can’t let the pefect be the enemy of the good.

  • smitch61

    I have to use this as an open thread to get this off my chest.

    We almost got rid of John Dingell last night. Dr. Steele was ahead all night long until we got to the city of Ann Arbor. Ann Arbor MI is the most liberal city in the state, it is home to UofM, and UofM hospital. Ann Arbor is 23 MILES from my home, so why in the good Lord’s name is that city in my district? Liberalism is their religion first and foremost. Dr, Steele is an absolute wonderful man and should have run away with that election. The good Doctor lives in Ann Arbor, is a respected cardiologist in Ann Arbor, went to school at UofM, and yet, the liberals feel the need to vote their religion regardless.

    Please let us put John Dingell on our list for 2012, you mark my word, he will retire and give that seat to his wife who is many many years younger than himself. I am doing what I can to get Ann Arbor the hell out of my district…. This alone will be my goal for the next two years.

  • Addison

    …to form a new Gang of 14 that midwifes centrist legislation through the Senate? Cause that’s more than likely given the Liebermans, Nelsons, Manchins, McCains, and Grahams at the center of a near evenly-divided Senate.

    Or would you rather keep a constant “Memento Electorum “buzzing in their heads?

  • audax

    And for those in Mass. not brain dead yet (conservative-nouns)…red New Hampshire is just to the north of you and very redTexas is just a little further south! Ya’ll come on down now! We won’t hold your yankee accent agin ya!

  • chbroussard

    bow out. It would be nice if we could get behind Michael Williams 100% now rather than have to fight it out in a primary. Hopefully she’ll see the writing on the wall. Wouldn’t hurt for Texans to start calling her office now and tell her we expect her to follow through with her numerous promises to retire.

  • chbroussard

    bow out. It would be nice if we could get behind Michael Williams 100% now rather than have to fight it out in a primary. Hopefully she’ll see the writing on the wall. Wouldn’t hurt for Texans to start calling her office now and tell her we expect her to follow through with her numerous promises to retire.

  • IJB

    What this election has shown us, once and for all, is that “Blue States” really are *true Blue*. As I’ve been saying for a while now, expending a lot of energy on electing weak or downright-faux Republicans Blue States is a mostly wasted effort. I mean, if you can’t win them in a year like this, you’re *never* going to win them.

    Based on this, and especially this year’s MA results last night, it is *highly* likely that MA will “return to form” in 2012, and replace Brown with a Democrat – my guess is that Brown will be replaced by Mike Capuano.

    You heard it here first.

  • audax
  • JoeG

    Someone more conservative isn’t going to win.

  • charlesmartel

    But I think that problem will work itself out pretty quickly. We had a few less-than-ideal candidates this time around for the very reasons that the Tea Party movement was so successful. It was a true grassroots movement, without any real central organization, beholden to none of the entrenched old guard in DC and in many cases actively opposed by it. And it sprang up, matured, and (in many cases) won within a VERY short time.

    Therefore, you’re bound to get a few rotten apples. That’s the price you pay for a truly grassroots operation. Hell, the major parties have millions of dollars invested in finding “good” candidates and they still end up with busts a lot of the time.

    We’ve bloodied the libs, that was the main goal of this election. Now we’ve got to finish the job, and at the same time hold our own people even more accountable than we do the Dems. But now we’ve got some time and some organization in place to better vet candidates going forward. Quality candidates will flock to the Tea Party banner, and now we’ve got people and resouces in place to make sure they’re quality.

  • tngal

    Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead. I’ll vote the way this or that special interest wants me to since I’m going to be defeated anyway, and then take a nice cushy lobbiest job when I’m gone.

    Letting –I repeat–’some’ of these individuals know you’re gunning for them will embolden them. Snowe doesn’t care, corker doesn’t care so they understand their time is limited. They vote stupid anyway. But some of the more moderate ones need to be gently persuaded not threatened.

    We were blessed to get Scott in MA at the time . Perhaps I misread the numbers but I thought I saw all house seats in MA went for the dems last night. And the gov. They’re so far left they’re horizontal. We will be hard pressed to get anything more right in there.

  • charlesmartel

    …but suddenly discovering their inner Tea Partier should not let them off the hook. A RINO left in office will just revert back as soon as is necessary. This doesn’t mean we should continue losing seats just to make a point, but we can’t shy away from primarying an incumbent Republican just because the tack to the right.

  • audax

    It did the best it could in a short time.. NOW we have TWO years to find and vet solid conservative-noun candidates. What are YOU doing? Are you a precinct committeeman yet? On the Candidate selection committee for your County, District and State GOP? Better get moving so you can” can” the sarcasm in 2012.

  • GopTiger

    I don’t agree with the premise of your either-or question.

    Most of the Republicans on this list have not worked with Obama on any of his signature issues-stimulus, Obamacare, cap-n-trade.

    After last night’s election, coupled with Obama’s continued drop in the polls, why would they suddenly decide to go all Gang of 14 on us?

  • http://www.dirkworld.com dirkbelig

    If there were weak/flaky candidates, part of the reason was that in early 2009, when many people have to start their runs, we were being lectured that conservatism had been rejected, Republicans were a nearly-extinct party only supported by Southern Klansmen and Jeebus freaks, and the nation had begun a Thousand-Year Reich under unified Democrat rule. The GOP wasn’t recruiting solid conservative candidates (like Rubio) because they were opposed to solid conservatives (like Rubio), preferring fellow go-along-get-along clubbers like Crist. Into this vacuum stepped some less-than-electable contenders, though it’s wrong to scapegoat the Tea Party for the failures of RINOs like Castle to even get nominated.

  • Kyle-MI

    I would rather they be relegated to irrelevance with a large (conservative) GOP senate majority.

    We need to use our resources wisely. Let’s not waste them tilting at windmills in MA and ME in either the primary or the general election.

  • Randy

    Needs to go, they were the epic fail last night…..

  • avgjo

    he made an excellent point last night about a big reason for the problems we face in states like MA and others that give us freakjobs like Barney Frank: gerrymandering. IF I understood him correctly yesterday, he claims to offer a solution in his new book, which at this point I really don’t want to slog through. As I understand it, this process is handled by the politicians at the state level; my question is, how can citizen activists get involved in affecting this process? I also wonder if constructing districts which are more uniform in shape would produce a Congress and Senate which reflect the fact that this country has more conservatives than liberals…

    Any thoughts?

  • Darin_H

    would be my top three targets.

    I don’t know who can step up from UT and IN, but give me some Michael Williams in TX!

  • runner12

    Both Angle and O’Donnell did rid us of some RINO’s. They did their part in helping us clean our own house, and I will be forever grateful for that. There is no way I could ever say in good conscience that Castle or Lowden would have been better choices. We went with our principles and I am proud of that. Our movement must be about principles and not politics if we are to win in the long term.
    However, I agree with you (especially in DE) that we must choose ou primary candidates better. We must fully vet each and every one and not just put them in place because they sound like they support the Tea Party. This is for two reasons 1.) In states where we had a solid candidate, we won. We are winning the war of ideas. Now we need candidates who best represent and stand for those ideals. No one will be a perfect candidate, but we need one who does not have a ton of baggage. This is no disrespect to Ms. O’Donnell. We all do foolish things in our youth, but being on a slimy show like Mr. Maher’s was a little too much for someone who wants to be in public office. Note I did not slam her personal views on social issues. Mainly because I do not think that is the thing that hurt her the most.
    2.) The Tea Party had A LOT of success last night. I believe that we were responsible for the huge gains. Look at the exit polling on questions regarding the Tea party. They were largely in our favor. Because of that, do not be surprised if you hear some Dems and liberal Repubs trying to speak “Tea Party” all of the sudden (Joe Manchin anyone?). Another good reason to fully vet our candidates.
    We won a big battle for our country last night, now it is time to win the war.

  • autiger89

    I would love to see a list of all the Senate Democrats vulnerable in 2012. Guess what folks – you’re next to go.

  • smitch61

    John Dingell lost last night in MI because of one city in our district that is 23 miles away from the rest of us, and very liberal. Redistricting is in order here.

    I have relatives in CA and MA.. they are different animals. I believe they vote their own interests. They have huge state government unions and these people live on the government nipple provided by the tax payer. Their retirement pensions are incredible. Full salary, plus inflation raises all on the back of the tax payer. They are like their own little socialist states.

  • briana59

    Every incumbent needs a vigorous primary challenge. Let them know no more politics as usual. No more free rides and taking conservative votes for granted.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    John Kyl, Scott Brown, Barraso, Ensign? Yeah lets put another tea partier up for senate in NV, that sure worked out great last night didnt it?

    Orrin Hatch and KBH make solid sense because you are not going to lose those seats but some of the other ones you are very drunk on the tea party kool aid.

    What is most important for the party right now is that we “primary” out the Palinistas right here and right now. Thank you Sarah Palin for us all being able to say Senate Majority Leader Re-Elect Reid instead of the new senator from Nevada Lowden. Palin is a monumental loser and thats why the media loves talking about her, the sooner this party moves away from her and to the party of Rubio, Toomey, Ryan, Christie, and Jindal the better.

  • http://ruminationsaspirations.blogspot.com jonbingham

    In order of my preference:
    Lugar
    Hutchison
    Corker
    Wicker
    Hatch
    Let’s find quality replacements
    (and start working on 2014′s replacement of Graham (SC))

  • Scope

    does not automatically afford them the the title of “conservative.” They are moderates. The country has begun it’s move farther to the right, and, the Progressives will remain far to the left. No “conservative” would have voted for the government takeover of the entire financial industry, as Brown did. That wasn’t even a “moderate” vote, it was a Liberal vote. Over the next two years we shall see if the moderate Republicans get on board. If not, they will find themselves being the minority party. If you look at recent polling by Gallup, those who self identify as Moderate only surpass those that identify as Liberals. Conservatives are growing in numbers, and, are far too wide awake to allow the moderates to continue to destroy the party. The expression “hold their feet to the fire” has now taken on a whole new meaning.

  • davidabippus

    I know that Snowe already has an opponent – I don’t know much about him other than an article that I read about him at The Daily Caller. He is certainly worth looking into and vetting. Toomey and Rubio and Rand Paul all started long and deliberate campaigns that paid off. We need to take a look at all options and not concede anything:

    http://www.damboiseforsenate.com/

  • Addison

    The two candidates listed in the comment I was replying to, Snowe and Brown, have worked with Obama on several issues, occasionally voting to beat the filibuster. And they’d go Gang of 14 again for the same reasons some Senators did last time: (a) it looks “serious” and “civil” and (b) there’s more power as a member of a tiny gateholding sub-caucus than as a fringe centrist in a 48-person caucus.

  • runner12

    You have got to be kidding me! You are throwing in the towel before the fight’s begun. Do you know how historic our wins were last night?
    I do NOT think that the status quo is okay anymore and that we should be happy with what “we can get.” That mentality is what will keep us in the permanent minority.
    Get rid of Snowe and Collins ASAP.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    John Barasso (WY)
    Bob Corker (TN)
    Orrin Hatch (UT)
    Kay Bailey Hutchison (TX)
    Jon Kyl (AZ)
    Richard Lugar (IN)
    Roger Wicker (MS)

    All of the above are good targets for RINOplasty surgery. The GOP is highly likely to replace them and their electorates are conservative enough so that a close yet unsuccessful primary wuld improve their behavior in the first two years or so of the next term.

    The three below should be tolerated through gritted teeth. We would get O’Donnelled like we did in DE, and Harry Weed would have three new cute, little pets (barf!!)
    Scott Brown (MA)
    Olympia Snowe (ME)
    John Ensign (NV)

  • avgjo

    if we were to effect redistricting, would something like the following happen:

    1. Fewer radicals in blue states. For instance, diluting Frank’s district heavily.
    2. Fewer dem seats in flyover country

    Consider the aggregate effect on the government nipple and the pernicious public unions were that to happen.

    Thanks. .

  • AnnaD

    but I do. Brown’s election woke up the Dem/Union machine big-time for this election. Many very capable Repubs took a drubbing. The newly elected Auditor is a tax cheat (go figure). The overwhelmingly re-elected Sec State won’t let the military vote but wants illegals to vote. I’m afraid Brown will lose in 2012, although I will certainly vote for him. And putting up a more conservative person in MA really will mean a higher margin of victory for the Commie that runs as a Dem. I suggest everybody who plans to contribute to the campaign of any Repub in MA from now on take that money and send it someplace where it will make a difference, in electing a Repub.

  • tngal

    that maybe he just threw in a couple names to start the argumentative juices flowing? To keep us gnawing at something for a couple hours while he gets some rest. He can kick up a dust cloud when he wants.

  • libertarianphilip

    Progressives, even in the Republican Party, are a perennial problem as well as insidious. Similar to weeds, insect infestations or rats.
    All parties, including mine, sometimes need a little house keeping and some things are best tended to oneself and not hired help.

  • barleycorn

    Work hard but work smart. You still lose some but you lay the groundwork for future victories.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    run against Jon Kyl.

    We’ve got two House races still undecided in Arizona, AZ07 & AZ08. We’re trailing in both and neither looks good. What we DO have in both of those districts – assume we lose both – is fantastic candidates for ’12. Both of those districts saw brand new candidates, JQ Publics with no political experience, come within a whisker of winning. And in AZ07 Ruth McClung is about 3,000 votes behind a guy who hasn’t run a commercial in eight years prior to this election. Both faced huge money and organization hurdles and still almost pulled off the impossible.

    Jon Kyl, if he chooses to run in ’12, will not be beaten in a primary.

    • The Democrats will have no credible challenger. None. Zip. Nada. Bupkis.
    • Kyl will have – as did McCain – an unlimited amount of money to win.
    • Unlike McCain, there is no visceral hatred for Kyl here in Arizona.
    • Any currently credible challenger will choose to wait for ’16 to run for McCain’s seat or ’14 to (hopefully) primary the fool we just elected Governor.

    Bottom line, wanna spend money in Arizona, spend it on Jesse Kelly and Ruth McClung. If they miss this time, they can absolutely win in ’12 if we give them the resources to do the job between now and then and give them a war chest for next time.

    Please folks, let’s learn a lesson from this year. Excitement is not a replacement for a plan and a credible candidate.

  • pdawk

    If we had done a better job recruiting Senate candidates. I got torn apart on this board after the Nevada primary for suggesting that Angle was a weak candidate and the recruitment against Reid in Nevada was pathetic.

    The NRSC needs to start identifying conservative candidates right now that can survive a general election. We need people that can stay on message, not spout off crazy, fringe ideologies, and don’t have some bizarre past that will haunt them in the general. Essentially we need to find a bunch of Marco Rubio’s.

    The Tea Party is a political force that helped us retake the house last night. I think it will help us continue to expand house seats in 2012. But in statewide elections, you really do need to appeal to independents and moderates. Christine O’Donnell and Sharon Angle couldn’t even bring their own party home and it cost them (and us) the election.

  • GopTiger

    And there is always the possibility they decide to do the “statesman” bit and try to break the dreaded gridlock. BTW, I’m all for gridlock after the past two years.

    However, I think the more likely scenario is that they realize Obama’s fortunes are going to continue to fall. Simply put: why make deals with a drowning man? If Obama was at 55% approval and looked to be cruising toward re-election, I think I would share your concerns. But with Obama headed into Carter territory, I’m less worried. Plus we are mere months away from the presidential campaign; no Republican is going to risk the ire of any of us by helping the man-child out.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    I’m not happy because we missed a golden opportunity last night, the tide was there. Erick has been drinking a lot of tea party kool aid for quite some time and it cost us last night. Rubio, Johnson, Ayette, and Haley were able to win last night as tea partiers, but they won because they were all viable candidates who woudnt end up onSNL for saying something so stupid that only Sarah Palin would defend it.

    Last night to voters in this nation sent two messages, one to the dems and the other to the tea partiers and that is next time we are in a primary, dont let Palin be the one giving out the roses at th rose ceremony, she has an eye for the losers.

  • audax

    …1964 Goldwater Conservative who said “…extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

    Sorry pal, but Sarah Palin was a BIG WINNER this election cycle because she WAS the man in the arena, to quote Teddy Roosevelt:

    It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    Miller, Angle and O’Donnell were all losers even before the results came in, anyone with a shred of common sense could see that.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    I’m not talking about RINO’s vs. conservatives I’m talking about stupid vs viable (and by viable I mean not stupid). I want conservatism to WIN, not make a statement.

  • Christine (Trelaina)
  • libertarianphilip

    The gerrymander is one reason Solomon Ortiz (D-TX Dist. 27) stayed in power so long. That and with the help of Progressive Democrats, Progressive Republicans, and illegal alien voters. Locals would be surprised who was actually behind this guy. As a member of a minor Texas political family and as a curious Libertarian I know.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    to primary Kyl because he isnt conservative enough and because you can means you have taken the Tea Party Express all the way to lunny land.

    We have to get back to principled, disciplined and focused conservatisim. If he had stuck to that, last night would have been much bigger and at this point the only way Obama can get re-elected is if we fumble.

  • libertarianphilip

    She’s always been nice to me when I have met her and she is a nice Texas Lady, however she may have to go. I will send a note though.

  • GopTiger

    Unfortunately, there was no sarcasm in my post. It was all, sadly, true.

  • audax

    ….must be the post ’87 Goldwater….

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    to “primary” a KBH, and I’m a Texas guy and have generally liked KBH over the years, because you have a better, and viable, candidate in Williams plus there isnt really any chance of losing the seat…that makes logical sense.

  • red_oakster

    It wasn’t just Angle. Many of the candidates saw their margins narrow in the final days. Toomey, Buck, Johnson in Wisconsin, Kasich, Raese, Fiorina.

    I suspect we probably were at 80 plus seats in the House as well before the Democrat comeback. The erosion at the House level was less than the Senate and we should be asking why. One guess is that all the personal attacks on GOPstatewide candidates worked, whereas it’s immensely difficult to do that at the house district level. Another is that the Republicans didn’t have a good closing message. I don’t think it was poor ground game execution, since experienced candidates like Kasich and Rossi experienced this as did Fiorina and Angle.

    It’s worth a post-mortem because had the Democrats had an additional 48 hours, we might have done much worse.

  • streiff

    as Robert Byrd was in WV. Look at last night’s results for Maryland.

  • Kyle-MI

    as primarying some of the Senators that Erick has suggested.

    For better or worse, she has a strong following within the GOP and I do not want to see them split off into a third party. Palin could well become the Ross Perot of 2012 if people like you get their way.

  • cordpt

    Because he’s a good candidate – he’s not a paranoid, he had a daily job, he’s not afraid to talk to the press, he doesn’t babble nonsense, he’s not a whiner and he cares about the view of his constituents. He’s a bit too conservative for MA, but those traits will help him. Right now he’s the most popular politician in Massachusetts even though he’s the most conservative statewide elected officer in the last half century and by a fair margin.

    So, he has a decent chance – unless the irresponsible freaks who obsess about intra-party power and don’t care about beating Democrats and make their priority fighting fellow republicans in the primaries will try to weaken him before the general election – in that case, Sen. Reid, Sen. Coons and possibly Sen. Bennet will be joined by another radical democrat who owes these irresponsible freaks his job.

    What this election has shown us is that “Blue States” won’t elect Republicans unless their top-notch candidates.

  • red_oakster

    nt

  • Scope

    O’Donnell rid us of Castle. There were more than a few here that said they would prefer Coons than Castle, if O’Donnell didn’t win, and I agree. That goes for some of the other very undependable Republicans that one is always wondering which way they will vote, such as Collins, Snowe, Graham, McCain, Lugar, Brown etc. The majority of the country does not want bipartisan, reach across the aisle Republicans. That is why we lost in 06 and 08. They must be marginalized until we can get another batch of conservatives elected in 2012. It was never going to happen within one election cycle, but, the purge has surely begun.

    IMHO, it does no one any good to have a moderate to Progressive Republican, from a Blue state, because they are the only ones who can win in that state. Let the dang Blue states be destroyed by their own Liberal choices. Sometimes you have to hit bottom before you figure out that you have a problem, and, only then is the solution more long lasting. I have a feeling that CA, NY and Mass. are about to hit their bottom.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    but they have to also understand their immense limitations and what those limitations will be in a general election which is what counts.

  • red_oakster

    The reason we got a moderate like Haslam for Governor is that conservatives split their votes. Red State can play a role by identifying and supporting one great candidate.

  • cordpt

    He’s obsessed with intra-party fights. He’s been more worried about the republican primaries then with beating Dems in the general elections. Heck, I’ve read more attacks on Cornyn and McDonnell than on Harry Reid.

    I mean, the first list of targets he publishes is of… republicans? Inclunding Kyl and Barasso? Scott Brown and Snowe? It’s truly bizarre.

  • rdelbov

    we need to ponder what made Miller – Angle – ODonnell Buck flawed candidates while Toomey Lee Rubio Ayotte Johnson were fantastic candidates.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    They made a real mess in Colorado.

  • red_oakster

    Hatch is a great advocate of tax cutting and will be Chairman of the Senate Finance committee when the Republicans win the House. If Hatch gets knocked off, who is next in line. Olympia Snowe. No thanks.

    Chaffetz on the other hand is a rank opportunist with his finger in the air. There are going to be all kinds of folks cozying up to the tea party and you have to watch out for the self-promoters.

  • Addison

    …as a result of JD Hayworth’s challenge, though — and isn’t that half the point of primary challenges, their usefulness as a constituents’ whip on shoe-in, life-long candidates?

  • juumanistra

    BWAHAHAHAHA!

    …sorry, you’ll have to pardon my incredulity. For Tom Carper to be vulnerable, two things would have to happen. Firstly, the state GOP would have to find a quality candidate with ample experience and seriousness of purpose. There’s only one man on the GOP bench who fits that description and I suspect he’s washed his hands of the state GOP. (Which is probably a good thing, as conservatives embracing Mike Castle for crass political advantage would cause reality to warp from the amount of irony surrounding the situation.) Excluding Mike Castle, the GOP’s bench contains…who, exactly? Tom Wagner, the auditor-for-life who seems quite content with the gig he’s got? Colin Bonini, who couldn’t win State Treasurer in a GOP wave year? The usual array of quirky state assemblymen? Candidates are going to pose a major problem for the DE GOP for the next generation, simply because the organization has been gutted and rebuilding such institutions takes time.

    The other condition that needs to be met is that either half of the state develops amnesia. Almost everyone in the state likes the guy: My parents, fairly rock-ribbed conservatives well south of the C&D Canal, pulled the lever for him in 1992 and 1996 for governor. (As well as in 2006, when the GOP’s offering was running to Carper’s left. Admittedly, the plural of anecdote is not data, but it is what it is.) The Carper years in the governor’s mansion are further remembered as generally good times, for better or worse, and his role as Joe Biden’s straight-man let him like he was the one providing adult supervision for a good eight years. His advantages, needless to say, are formidable.

    Of course, anything can happen, and I would welcome the bizarre confluence of events that would be required to send Tom Carper packing from the Senate in 2012. That said, if we’re working on targets to focus on, Carper ought to be relegated to the bottom of the pile with Feinstein, Akaka, Whitehouse, Cantwell, and Menendez. (And, given how Rossi’s attempt against Murray plays out in conjunction with NJ’s voting the past two years, whether or not Cantwell and Menendez belong at the very bottom of the target queue.)

  • juumanistra

    Should’ve read: “Whether or not Cantwell and Menendez belong at the very bottom of the target queue is debatable.”

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    This is exactly what we should be focused on right now. If we dont learn from this we will repeat it in 2012 and thats for all the marbles.

  • Scope

    nominate Christine O’Donnell, the voters in DE nominated CO. Remember, it is the voters who get to decide who they want. Once they make their choice, it is up to all Republicans to get behind that candidate, not to work against her victory in the general. For those that put all their eggs in Rove’s or Krauthammer’s baskets, and rely on their advice or opinions are no better than sheeple. Rove is a washed up, worn out, has been, and he is not alone. In many ways I consider him more dangerous, and more incompetent, than even Michael Steele, and, believe me that is going some. At least Michael Steele will be voted out here shortly.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    I’ll give it two and a half weeks. He’s McCain, he’s got 6 more years now and after that he may die of natural causes, if you think he is going to be anything but McCain from this point on you are delusional.

  • Addison

    …anything can happen. I don’t think the argument that everybody loves him now is necessarily all the relevant given that most Democrats have pretty much the same voting records and so it’s really just a matter of will tearing candidates down. That’s true of both sides — if the state is at least a little moderate there’s no harm in trying. The problem of having a credible opponent is valid, but that’s not insurmountable, you’ve just got to vet and prepare and ramp up beforehand.

  • cordpt

    Then waste them fighting every republican up to re-election in the primary.

    Some of them, wont’ lose. I wish we could have used the money wasted on that lunatic Hayworth to gain a couple of additional House seats from Arizona.

    Some of them won’t lose but a contested primary will weaken them enough to assure a democratic win in the general – Scott Brown comes to mind.

    Some of them will lose… to a candidate that will then be crushed in the primaries. This could well be the case with Lugar – you won’t be able to get a good recruit to run against him in the primary… which opens the door to an O’Donnell type of candidate.

    And some of them – Barasso comes to mind – don’t deserve to lose just because they aren’t cosy with DeMint even tough they have a very good voting record.

    Corker, Hatch, KBH, maybe Wicker.. those are good targets.

    The biggest problem in this cycle was the money and resources waster on non-viable candidates whose only asset was the willingness to pay lip-service to the Tea Party talking points. It’s a mistake not to repeat in the future.

  • WY_Cowboy

    I can tell you there is nobody who wants to run against him in this state and they wouldn’t win if they did.

    What is your freaking beaf with Barrasso?

  • Addison

    It’s a good point, but he’s said a lot of things (mostly on immigration, IIRC) that at least provide a paper trail to press him on, and even a short period of “veering” is better than if he had been allowed to run as a moderate and skated through. I doubt the JD Haysworth challenge would be viewed by conservatives as money wasted in that light — as it cast a Tea Party glow over the nationwide climate as well.

  • StandardCandle

    Jason Chaffetz is great, but I know that Utah’s Conservatives can produce other candidates that are both viable and strong conservatives.

    Mike Lee’s win will only encourage some of the people waiting in the wings to co-opt the TEA party movement in Utah… this has both positives and negatives…

    I think its more than possible to rid Utah of Orrin Hatch, but I do worry about CINO’s, in Utah, unfortunately if someone is Mormon and Republican, they’re considered Conservative… and although that’s generally true… when it comes to people with money and popularity in Utah, they tend to be less conservative and closer to RINO than anything, think Romney and you’ll understand what I mean…

    Utah has a long way to go to earn their conservative bonafides in my opinion.

  • dio55

    The tea party Screwed up mightily last night , okay castle was a rino but was christine o’donnel the best we could do ? Who vetted her? who screened her before ? they just threw her at us and we went along because we thought tea party leadership did their due diligence.
    next sharon angle .. Lowden and Tarkanian were NOT rinos so why did we go for the weakest candidate in the MOST IMPORTANT race.
    I did not want to be a carl rove so i kept my reservations to myself but the electin is over .
    Now instead of analysing Logically what went wrong We rush out with a new bunch of names without ever accepting any mistakes and their solutions so we can do it again. UNbelievable

  • WY_Cowboy

    It is a time for humility and give the new Congress a chance before we decide to go to war in the Republican Party. I agree with some of the names on your list, but you have good people there too.

  • red_oakster

    When a guy like Kyl, who brought down Harriet Miers and stopped Clinton’s nuclear test ban treaty and is killing START, and is a formidable support of the battle against Islamism is on the list, I really shudder.

    We need candidates to take on Webb, both Nelsons, Conrad, McCaskill, Klobuchar, Stabenow, Cantwell, Bingaman, Tester, Menendez, Manchin, Gillibrand, Carper, Kohl, Casey, Brown, and Feinstein. 18 Senates seats held by Democrats up in 2012 where we have a shot.. We can have 60 plus conservative senators come 2013, but we have to plan for it BEFORE the presidential campaign sucks up all the oxygen.

    Also, we need to take on the House appropriators. No mention of Jerry Lewis or Bill Young or Bonner. There’s got to be a better way to set the table.

  • StandardCandle

    I think Debbie Stabenow could be quite vulnerable

  • Scope

    but, Fiorina, Raese, McMahon, and maybe Rossi, Buck and Miller didn’t. Do you have any explanation for that? or are you just here gloating and blaming only those you did not like?

  • WY_Cowboy

    Barrasso?? What the hell? He is very popular in Wyoming and he is doing a good job. No chance of a primary here.

  • cordpt

    Yesterday night… meh: Raese lost, Angle lost, O’Donnell lost, Miller lost, Buck lost. It was a pretty bad night for Sarah Palin.

    That’s 5 races that the GOP could and should have won – enough to get control of the Senate. And with the exception of Mike Castle in DE, we could have elected 4 solid conservatives in those states.

  • WY_Cowboy

    They are NOT the same!

  • halo

    again out here are low, not zero, but low. She ran for governor because, while she wanted to keep her grubby claws in the GOP establishment she wants to come home more. Either way she has to go. Her and her husband are crooks. The other rumor here is Bill White only ran for governor is he wanted to get his name out there at the state level because he wants Hutchison’s seat in 2012. He knew going in he wasn’t going to win the governor’s seat, he didn’t want it anyway. White is awful. Between him and the city’s last mayor they just about killed the City of Houston. From what I’ve seen they, along with their cronies, such as Hurtt and Frank Wilson, are lucky they’re not in jail. And by the way Rick Perry is more likely than not going for a presidential nomination. We do NOT want him for president. The only reason he won our primary was because Hutchison, that cow, was on the ticket and he knows it – I’m just sayin’.

    Which leads me to my next point. Why are some here dogging on the “weak” TEA party candidates? They ran dang fine races despite and inspite of our own party as well as theirs. Lest some of us conveniently forget it was also about cleaning out the crap of our own house. We took the primaries by a storm, at the local level where it belongs and cleaned out much of the republican trash. We knew it was going to be more than a one cycle message, please don’t lose sight of that now.

    Get ready for it because phase II is going to be even tougher. If the House does the slashing in spending they need to do we are going to get the blame just like it happened in ’46. Seniors are going to have to suck it up and deal, along with teachers and all the other public sectors from education on down. We need some Chris Christie pain done on the books and it is going to be painful and the peeps are going to cry like babies. It will not be pretty. And while I get that is the exact reason we need strong candidates for 2012 in the meantime don’t go trash the good works the guys and gals did in this cycle. They were freaking awesome. The wins completely out weigh the losses. Give them the credit they are due.

  • victrola

    The one lesson conservatives should have learned last night is that we need COMPETENT people representing the Republican Party if we’re going to win.

    Too many gullible primary voters nominated dingbats, and it set conservatism back a great deal.

    How exactly was conservative policy advanced by handily losing seats we should have won easily?

    As far as I’m concerned, the Tea Party has egg all over its face. I would love it if the Left came up with its own version of the Tea Party. there’s no telling how many seats we could take away from them.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    It’s only a 35 min. drive to Fort Collins from Cheyenne.

  • Zaber

    And realize that its actually the train, and not the end of the tunnel, these moderates/RINOs will consider leaning a bit more to the right of center, and primarying them them won’t be necessary?

    If they decide that they want to get on board and represent the party they were elected to represent instead of just worrying about what will get them re-elected, I have no problem with them staying, but they have to start TODAY, not in a year when they start campaigning.

    As far as Scott Brown goes..unless Massachusetts really swings right, I don’t think we’re going to get much better off – running someone who is “too conservative” in a pretty liberal state is only going to guarantee a lost seat. I’m not being a naysayer, but there’s some points where you have to be somewhat realistic – for example – no true conservative is likely to ever win San Francisco – we’ll get a RINO at best if we ever have a chance at winning there.

  • Scope

    and we would like to make that choice ourselves, without the interference of those elites in Washington.

  • fpete13527

    Especially now that we are poised at most all state levels…..since a few minutes ago FLORIDA now how has a full bore conservative Gov:)))).

    The Senate is the biggest problem in accomplsihing what we need to accomplish to put this country back on track.

    Senators have had lots of time to adjust. They also had lots of time to empower those who took a conservative stand. They conscioulsy chose to not shift.

    This WHOLE list needs to go.

  • cordpt

    Deep blue states. They did well, considering the circumstances. Hard to see any other republican doing better than them. Do you think Didier would have beaten Murray?

    It’s different with the others. Castle would have won DE easily and I’m pretty sure that respectable conservative candidates would have won Colorado, West Virginia and Nevada running away.

  • eburke

    a huge chunk of them tea party and Sarah Palin-endorsed, won.

    And just who, pray tell, was the ‘conservative’ in Alaska who would’ve won instead of Joe Miller?

    Get over yourself.

  • nepanyrush

    Going after the Republicans and Palin? Hatch, for example, has been an ally in trying to stop liberal judges. And without Palin, would there have been so much energy in the elections this year? Yes, she selected a few to support that were defeated. But we would have had some of these anyway, such as Murkowsky and probably in West Virginia as well. But the energy she brought and the number of winners she backed was very impressive.

    Why in the world would Red State target all these Republicans and Palin as the first order of business?

  • juumanistra

    Carper is an institution in Delaware. This is a problem because of the quirks of Delaware’s politics: Quite simply, institutions tend to be only be beatable with other institutions. (Before anyone else brings up the 2010 Republican primary, there’s a reason why I used the qualifier tend.) You are correct that it might be possible to tear Carper down, but such would require staggering outlays to accomplish: Because Delaware has no native media market, one must use the Philadelphia one, which is atrociously expensive to advertise in. And even then, it would be a gamble, as all negative advertising is, as it might not even dent his popularity and could well turn voters off. Delaware’s political culture is very mild and, in no small part, quite a few voters were turned off of Christine O’Donnell due to spillover from the primary’s vitriolic advertising.

    From a cost-benefit analysis, taking down Carper would be a massive resource sop. That said, if there’s a self-financing candidate who wants a Senate seat, we’d be glad to have them. (Anyone know if Meg Whitman’s still looking for a political career?)

  • Zaber

    Rick Perry did not win the primary just because it was against Hutchinson. Who would have run and challenged him seriously on the Republican side? W coming back for another go at Governor? This race was Rick Perry’s to win as soon as he decided to run for re-election.

    I doubt he’ll run for President. The Republicans have some other, younger candidates for the presidency without the inevitable Bush baggage that will get slung around Perry’s neck.

  • eburke

    Personally, I’d take Mike Lee over Bob Bennett, Marco Rubio over Charilie Crist, Pat Toomey over Arlen Specter, Rand Paul over Trey Grayson, and Nikki Haley over the slime-bag good ol’ boys that ran against her.

    But that’s just me thinking that to get conservative governance you first need to elect….wait for it….conservatives.

    But that’s just me.

  • red_oakster

    He’s made those noises and may not want to be in the minority.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    so help me out here…when you get back home from your tea party rally and you are all fired up or whatever you go to bed thinking “Whats wrong with this country…..we need to get rid of Kyl, Barraso, and Ensign thats what is really wrong with Americal”. I mean out of all the tihngs we should be focused on, how does that ever even cross anyones mind?

  • earlgrey

    Yeah it may not have a name, but the Left has a long list of wackos that make the rest of the dems and the blue dogs sound reasonable. I don’t know why this doesn’t work for Republicans, but it took a long time for dems to get to where they are now. Which is they can say whatever they want, and it doesn’t bother anyone.

    Nancy Pelosi a San Fran Liberal was speaker of the house. Does she represent the majority view of the America. Evidently not. Nevertheless her victory walk past the tea pariters with gavel in hand should be used over and over again to remind people never to trust a democrat.

  • juumanistra

    The more you learn, eh? In my original post, I almost put: “He’s the most respectable man in Delaware politics,” but averted such in order to avoid stepping on the toes of O’Donnell fans. But bully for him if he chooses to leave on his own terms. Lord knows it’s a good thing when Senators choose to leave the World’s Greatest Deliberative Body after (relatively) short stays. Rather than having to, you know, be wheeled out of it on a gurney.

    That said, an open seat in 2012 would mean that Beau Biden’s the presumptive Democratic nominee. His passing would probably prompt a Democratic free-for-all, which would admittedly be quite fun to watch. But that’d still leave us with the rather massive problem posed by having no real bench to run for it with.

  • chihank

    Fighting the GOP Establishment is just as important as fighting Obama socialism.

    Angle, O’Donnell, Buck, and Miller may be inexperienced candidates, but I will not let folks like Karl Rove and other GOP elites co-opt the Tea Party Movement.

  • SIConservative

    but Kyl has been in Washington too long. If Ensign’s scandals create scary poll numbers, it’s time for someone new. I’m fine with Barrasso.

  • calgacus

    is a rock-solid conservative. He has an ACU Rating of 98. I also agree Jon Kyl should not be primaried. Open season on Orrin Hatch, Richard Lugar, Roger Wicker and Bob Corker.

  • Scope

    and you are correct in that Rubio, and some others got in the race very early, and, it paid off. When someone doesn’t have any name recognition, they need to get out there early. I checked the link to Mr. D’Amboise’s site, but , he needs to add an “issues” page soon. He doesn’t say where he stands on some hot button issues.

    I thought it was interesting that EE added info on another diary where he said that the entire Maine state legislature flipped to GOP. Maybe that is a good omen that Maine is waking up. That is unless the definition of Republican is different in Maine.

  • Scope

    The biggest losers for sure, but, we all knew that didn’t we?

  • calgacus

    If Ensign is doing bad in the polls, it might not hurt to find a better candidate if there is one.

  • BrendanW

    but an opportunist, who knows that opportunity is only for someone who follows the will of the people, and the will is conservative will not revert.

    The left is good at generating a lot of feedback on soft conservative republicans and moving them to the left – we have to be good at balancing that out.

  • halo

    and when it was known, before either you or I knew, Hutchison was going to run is when he decided to stay in. Absolutely it was his to win from that moment on, as you say who else? The hair dude? Hutchison? Of course it was his.

    Don’t forget all the battles he created for us here. Oh, he made the right choices and ended up listening to the people here in the end, he’s not stupid, he knows who butters his bread, but it doesn’t change the fact he was on the wrong path in many important issues, which is why he started cleaning up his record.

    You wait for it, he will run for a presidential nomination. If he doesn’t, so be it, but I’d bet my next pay check he does. He was drooling for it for 2008 but he knew the timing was wrong.

  • earlgrey

    they are probably thinking the opposite. They are thinking about O’Donnell, Buck, Miller and pinning the losses on the Tea Party.

    If anything both sides have ammunition.

    Of course if your chosen one announces before the election he plans to caucus with the democrats, than that is a lot of egg. Do you suppose John Cornyn is now talking to Crist about taking on Bill Nelson?

  • IJB
  • BrendanW

    Ted Cruz? http://www.tedcruz.org/

    I’m from NE and don’t know much about either. What are the pros and cons?

  • runner12

    I have to question your motives here. You get on here and bash Palin and lump poor candidates with good ones. You are either a.) a troll or b). a misguided moderate Republican who seriously dated himself by mentioning Goldwater. Let me let you into the younger generation’s mentality if I may. We believe in taking no prisoners. I have watched as the 1960′s generation has slowly driven our nation off of a cliff, both Dems and Repubs. They both made me want to gag until the Tea Party came along. For once I saw people who cared about our country and conservatism, not a political party. I may not agree with Palin on everything, but she has stood on principle and I respect that immensely. I apologize if I have been disrespectful, but your kind of attitude is what has kept Lib/Socialists in power for so long.

  • calgacus

    Jason Chaffetz , a congressman elected in 2008 is likely to challenge Orrin Hatch. In Indiana Mike Pence should run, although I doubt that he will do so. Hostettler or Stutzman would be good also.

  • SIConservative

    Sorry for the shameless diary plug on a front-page post, but there’s still more we can do now before turning attention to 2012.

    http://www.redstate.com/siconservative/2010/11/03/one-more-battle-for-2010/

  • victrola

    My point is the Tea Party seemed to revel in getting people who had never had any experience in politics. They didn’t seem to care about actually winning elections, just making a point against the Establishment. It was an exercise in chest-thumping.

    I live by William F Buckley’s rule, you nominate the most rightward candidate that can WIN.

    Our conservative ideals and values were not advanced by losing races we should have won easily.

  • pdawk

    First off all it isn’t gloating, it is lamenting. There is quite a difference.

    Second, I would have included Ken Buck and Joe Miller in that as well. Miller ran a horrible campaign. He was his own worst enemy. Buck is harder to include because he didn’t run a horrible campaign (and he hasn’t lost as of yet), the NRSC just jumped out of Colorado to soon to spend money in CA. In the end though, he had some baggage that looks like it may cost him the election against an incumbent that was very unpopular.

    I don’t know how you blame anything on Fiorina or McMahon. They spent hundreds of millions of their own money in deep blue states against well known and well funded opposition. I don’t think there are many Republicans that are going to win statewide federal elections in that state. Raese had another set of problems. He made a race close for a while against a guy that was expected to win in a walk. Not only that but he made Manchin turn into the lightest of blue Dems who will have to vote Republican on the big issues or risk getting kicked out of office in 2012.

    Rossi is a different animal. He ran a good campaign against a very tough and popular incumbent in a state that is turning from purple to blue.

  • BrendanW

    incumbents are incumbents – there was only one open rep race in MA. And Deval got a huge assist from a 3rd party candidate that absorbed a lot of the anti-Deval vote that Baker could have gotten.

    You need good candidates running against the strong Dems, so they cannot use the advantage in other races. Frank being tied down to his district fighting for his campaign (using 200k of his own money) -means he’s not out fundraising for his cronies.

    We need a two prong strategy in places like MA: keep running good appealing candidates for tactical reasons – occasionally you get a Brown/Coakley effect and steal a seat, but even when you don’t it makes it harder for the Dems to fight elsewhere. In the meantime conservatives, libertarians, and Republicans in these states need to help rebuilding a grass roots machine. There are a lot of people who would vote for R’s that stay home – a grass root machine is the only way to re-energize them.

  • clintonformccain

    Anyone who goes after Scott Brown in 2012 should just go ahead and sign up as a Democrat campaign workker and make it official. Volunteer to help John Forbes Kerry, because that wouldn’t undermine Republican efforts worse than ensuring Scott Brown’s defeat.

    I don’t even conceive of how anyone thinks that would be productive.

    As a footnote: the concept of rejecting strong candidates in favor of ideological purity was an epic fail for the Republicans last night — the one stunning setback on an otherwise excellent night as O’Donnell, Angle, and Buck appear to have gone down to defeat, and with them went control of the Senate.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    Rove was speaking out against them not to “co-opt” the tea party but emplore them to pick good candidates, not losers like they did there. The goal is to win, not play tea party, make a bunch of crazy statements and declare that you “sent a message to the establishment” by how far you made it.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    Rove was speaking out against them not to “co-opt” the tea party but emplore them to pick good candidates, not losers like they did there. The goal is to win, not play tea party, make a bunch of crazy statements and declare that you “sent a message to the establishment” by how far you made it.

  • http://lheal.amplify.com Socrates

    Sharron Angle wasn’t appointed. She won the primary. That means her supposed weakness was not found in the primary.

    If she had won, you would not be talking about how weak she was. Your logic is circular, in other words: she lost because she was weak, as evidenced by her loss.

    And it is only the primary process by which we should proceed. Each faction in the party should find the best candidate or candidates they can, as they define “best”, and let the candidates — and factions — duke it out.

    This Rovian strategery and wizard of smart approach to picking a candidate from on high and clearing the field leaves us with a hollow party and uninterested base.

  • Scope

    He won’t have any effect on the votes in the Senate either way.

  • runner12

    You are a troll.

  • cordpt

    His recruits did very well – Johnson, Kirk, Portman, Rossi came close. I can’t think of a single NRSC recruit who underperformed.

    The biggest loses last night, in states we could and should have won were in Nevada, Delaware, Colorado and Alaska. None of those candidates were a NRSC recruit.

  • http://lheal.amplify.com Socrates

    We don’t have a coordinated, party-based ground game. Each candidate fends for him or herself.

    How many candidates pushed their party in their ads?

    The rule ought to be: if you want party money, you tell people which party you’re in. If we’re embarrassed by the brand, the only way to change the brand’s image is to refocus around our winning principles, and stick to them when in office.

    We’ve done the first half, now it’s time to insist the newly elected office holders do the second.

  • earlgrey

    Of course he didn’t do well in the GOP primary so maybe that is a bad pick. Id don’t know where his campaign was?

    marsha blackburn, is awesome, but I see Nashville voters rejecting her.

  • Scope

    who are blaming the Tea Parties for last nights losses. Some just can’t get it through their heads that it is the state’s voters that get to make those choices. It’s as though there is a faction here that wants the Tea Parties to fail. Some are stupidly saying that the NRSC needs to nominate better candidates. Again, it was the NRSC that wanted to give us Crist, Spector and Castle. Those that would count on the NRSC to choose any candidates, should be tested for their sanity levels.

  • cordpt

    Ayotte was another NRSC recruit who won in a purple state.

    West Virginia was another place where the GOP candidate underperformed.

    It seems pretty evident to me that Cornyn and the NRSC are the biggest winners of this elections.

  • audax

    Everytime he wants to “reach across the aisle” I barf….

    …GO Chaffetz

  • swami7774

    Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. I live on Cape Cod and am as conservative as anyone on this board. Trust me–Brown is the absolute best we’re going to get from this state. He’s with us 70-80% of the time. If he loses, his replacement will be with us ZERO percent of the time.
    Do you really want that?
    Ideological purity works in some areas but not here.

  • fpete13527

    Snark aside, Kyl is a stand for pork, moderacy, and earmarks.
    Ensign has a corrupt record that will be slammed by the left.

    Barraso chose to not support Demint and yes that is an issue for me.
    I understand that many may not agree on this one.

  • aesthete

    I think that the Tea Parties did an excellent job overall at recruitment, given that they were only actively recruiting since mid-2009, and that the Republican party has been around for much longer, and still hasn’t gotten its recruitment act together. Were there missteps? Yes, but there will be missteps with any human endeavor. The lesson the Tea Parties should learn from this should be a) recruit early, recruit often and b) The lesson Reps should learn is that a) you can’t beat something with nothing, and b) this is not an endorsement of the Republican Party’s actions since the Clinton impeachment, it is a restraining order against Dems which, if they’re not careful, may come to extend to the Republicans. I also must ask, what’s so crazy about wanting to phase out Social Security? It is most certainly un-Constitutional, if you subscribe to enumerated powers doctrine (and what conservative wouldn’t?). The Chilean model, which can Constitutionally be implemented at the state level, is superior in every way to that outdated, immensely statist artifact known as Social Security. That is all besides the objection that we should not be forcing our younger, poorer citizens to subsidize the retirement of our seniors, who tend to be wealthier than average. The fact that an idea is at the margins of political thought does not mean that said idea is a bad or poorly thought-out one.

  • libertarianphilip

    In other words – Expect a big fight.

    To all readers,

    Please Remember Sean Bielat for future consideration and pray for a great guy and his family.

  • audax
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  • cordpt

    Do you think Barasso isn’t pure enough from an ideological perspective?

  • aesthete

    but she was a weak candidate. You won’t find me extolling the virtues of Castle, because the snake has none to speak of. However, O’Donnell had some personal, financial, and (yes) some philosophical issues that didn’t make her an ideal fit either for conservatives or DE voters. You can win as a conservative in a blue state, but you have to be good enough that you can spend the campaign talking about issues. O’Donnell was hampered by various discrepancies in her record, most of them ultimately going unexplained, and she spent the entire campaign trying to explain them. Her campaign oscillated between defensiveness and whining, and it is difficult to start out a campaign from that point. I won’t belabor the point, as I think that there were some good things to result from O’Donnell’s election, but suffice it to say, we should be working on finetuning our recruitment efforts for next time.

  • qsclues

    First of all, while I don’t mean to put words in Erick’s mouth, I believe he was simply listing all of the Republicans who are up in 2012, then examining the list for people to target, not saying they should al be targets. The fact that we only have those 10 up in 2012 is why we have a good shot at even more gains.

    Sharron Angle’s loss really cannot be blamed on her. Just because she lost doesn’t mean she was a weak candidate. Democrats poured a lot of resources into saving Reid, and the unions around the gaming industry put forth more than a few unlikely voters. Not illegal ones, just ones that were pressured to vote.

    O’Donnell and Miller were very much functions of cropping up at the last second. Granted, they were running the whole time, but they barely got noticed until just before the primaries took place, which explains a lot. They were impulse buys. But even there, Murkowski should still side with the R’s most of the time, and I’d rather have a liberal ‘D’ than a liberal ‘R’ in the Senate.

  • cordpt

    for getting Rubio to enter the challenge. Crist was a bad pick from Cornyn.

    Specter was the incumbent. The NRSC endorses every incumbent, regardless of who they are. I mean, it makes sense – they are the NRSC, Their primary job is to protect themselves. Once he switched parties, I don’t think he was supported.

    Other than that, yeah, Cornyn recruits did very well. I wish he had picked the guys running in Nevada, West Virginia and Colorado for example. We’d have control of the Senate by now and the future of America would be much brighter. Which would be a great thing to me, even if you don’t care too much about that.

  • Scope

    where the majority of the country is headed. You post as though no one ever heard of Ruling Class vs. Country Class. You are still stuck on go along to get along, reach across the aisle, and bipartisanship, that got the Republican party out of power in 06, and again in 08. If many agreed with you, last night would have never happened. You are a dying breed, thankfully.

    You sound like a RINO’s staffer.

  • qsclues

    I meant “in Delaware”, not “in the Senate” in that last sentence, though I suppose I’m not that far off between what I said and what I meant. :-)

  • audax
  • http://lheal.amplify.com Socrates

    If you want to complain ex post facto about her (and now Christine’s) supposed weakness, then I suggest you hop in a time machine and run a primary campaign against her.

    But you don’t get to know who wins until you’re done.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    I’m a proud conservative and have been all my life. I never bought into Bush’s “compassinate conservatism” and the corresponding policies that came forth. I dont care about the “establishemt” but when you widdle everything down to a ” you must be the establishment its the establsihment vs. the grassroots” you are doing the same thing Dems do with class warfare.

    I’m a grassroots conservative, but I’m also a rational human being which is why I’m not a libertarian (and lets be honest thats where a lot of these tea partiers reside).

  • cordpt

    Because of the big government faux-conservative policies of Bush/DeLay/Hartest, their general incompetence and, most importantly, the cheer-leading in their favour coming from movement “conservatives”.

  • KeepOhioRed

    Yeah, hey, lets knock off Scott Brown!!

    I’m sure MA will appreciate us killing a popular Senator by replacing him with a hard-righty. Why don’t you just ask Brown to retire and give the seat back to the Dems? Stupid.

    You can do this in Utah. You can even do it in Florida with a great candidate like Marco. You can’t do it in Massachusetts. Have we learned nothing from what happened last night?

    I am very conservative and a Tea Party fan, but going after Scott Brown is just plain dumb.

  • aesthete

    against Brown in conservative circles. He’s doing exactly what he said he’d do in his campaign: vote as an MA voter would vote. In addition, he hasn’t been damaging on any vote, and I suspect that should push come to shove, he would vote with Republicans. If we have a more conservative, and similarly viable, candidate who can take out Brown, that would be great, but I don’t see why he would be a target. (BTW, O’Donnell’s record, had she been elected, would have looked very similar to his sans social conservative deviations given that the themes behind both her and Brown’s campaigns were similar, and her agnosticism on fiscal issues besides taxes.)

  • janis

    Marsha would be a huge improvement over SpongeBob. And since the whole state is turning redder with every election, I think she’d have a great shot at winning the primary AND the election in 2012.

    Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!

  • forrest

    Corker is a Progressive and needs to be challenged.
    I intend to attend his appearance in Bristol.

  • cordpt

    Rove and American Crossroads spent a lot of money trying to elect Angle and Buck.

    Much more than DeMint’s PAC, Palin’s PAC and all the Tea Parties PACs and small-donors combined.

    If they had a fighting chance of being elected, it was because of Rove.

    And yet, we believe that fighting Rove is as important as fighting Obama. Pathetic, truly pathetic.

  • qsclues

    I think you are misinterpreting Erick’s post.

  • Scope

    he now has 19 comments just on this diary that all bash the Tea Parties, and anyone remotely connected to them. I don’t think he will last long here. As someone else said about another troll, he will open the cracks up far enough, all by himself, and then he will fall in. It didn’t take the other troll very long at all. This guy has a bigger head than even The Won.

  • Robert Allen Leeper

    There are 23 Dem seats up for election in 2012 (counting Sanders and Lieberman). These are my picks for the most vulnerable 11 (in rough order of vulnerability):

    Nelson, Ben (D-NE)
    Nelson, Bill (D-FL)
    Conrad, Kent (D-ND)
    Brown, Sherrod (D-OH)
    Webb, Jim (D-VA)
    Stabenow, Debbie (D-MI)
    Tester, Jon (D-MT)
    McCaskill, Claire (D-MO)
    Casey, Robert P., Jr. (D-PA)
    Bingaman, Jeff (D-NM)
    Sanders, Bernie (I-VT)

    They should all be defeated, but candidates, the grassroots, and GOP organizations, should begin NOW to form their plans. I don’t mean ignore the other 12, but if more than 3 of these 11 are standing 2 years hence, we will be monday morning quarterbacking again.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    We would be calling her senator angle today if she had not made the Sharia Law comment. Yes the lamestream media went nuts with that and it was plastered everywhere along with O’Donnell’s “I”m not a witch” ad. But the problem is it wasnt just a gaffe it was a stupid statement and it revaled where she gets her informartion (forwarded chain emails) and I think that cost her the election.

  • Zaber

    It was just a list of every Republican senator up for re-election. Not a list of strayed Republican senators that need to be taken out and primaried.

    That said, I think we should be nice and happy with what we have in Scott Brown in that particular state, and concentrate on keeping him in place. Maybe when people see the benefit from Republican leadership in that Senate seat, they’ll lean just a little away from the left side and more towards some sanity.

  • clintonformccain

    I only see one bright spot for the Dems. Their strategy of demonizing the Tea Party candidates as being whacko extremists worked. The Dems and their jounolistta allies were able to make that stick and it hurt the Republicans in a number of races.

    IMO, they were able to make it stick, in large part, because they were able to use a very flawed candidates as poster children in their efforts. Nominating Angle and O’Donnell handed them the ammunition on a silver platter.

    I’m disappointed that the Republicans handed them the opportunity, because I don’t like to see the Dems successfully demonize candidates when I would like to see Republican gains.

  • darcdante

    Going after Snowe or Brown would be suicide. They may not be our favorite Republicans, but they still voted against Obamacare, and that matters quite a bit symbolically.

  • cordpt

    and many other newly elected members of the Congress who actively sought and received Rove’s advise and support. Or candidates like Angle and Buck who wouldn’t even be competitive without Rove’s support.

    Your opinion is that they are no better than sheeple. Are you already thinking about primarying them?

  • Zaber

    The last thing we need are a bunch of sheep blindly following a leader. He can be a good Republican senator without being a staunch supporter of Demint.

    When our Senators and Representatives stop questioning when they disagree or have a concern, then there’s a problem, and we turn into the complacent, full of themselves troop that just kicked out of the House.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    that erick was maybe just listing everyone who is up, surely he didnt mean all of them needed to go.

  • runner12

    This is an open letter to all of you who are blaming the Tea Party for losses last night. You are completely ignoring the utter defeat we helped hand the Dems last night, especially in the Governor’s races and state legislatures. These are much more important than the Senate races. I might even add that it is actually to our benefit that we did NOT win the Senate. Had we won, it would play into the Dem playbook of blaming Repubs by for anything and everything during the next two years. Now they will be unable to do that. We also had more independents go conservative and more women as well. Coincidence? I don’ think so (the women is largely due to Palin, stick that in your pipe and smoke it).
    Everything lasting must begin from the ground up. Rome was not built in a day. Last night we begin laying the foundation, the groundwork. Part of building from the ground up is purging ourselves from those who are corrupt and who have abandoned the principles of our Founding Fathers. That is why Erick posted these names. Some may have voted “our way” occasionally in the past, but how many earmarks have they taken? Have they voted on principle or what is politically expedient? Do they have integrity? Are they honest? (No offense, but it took zero courage to oppose Harriet Myers. She was unpopular from the get go. No courageous stand taken there). People want honesty in their government, they want less government, lower taxes, and they want it NOW. If we listen to your foolish advice, we will surely lose in 2012.
    I have posted earlier that I believe that in DE the people there should have sought out a better candidate. But I honestly believe that the others should have won and could have one.
    Not one of you who has decried the Tea Party have taken into consideration the power of the unions in the states that the Senate candidates lost. They spent millions, MILLIONS going after people and twisting their members arms to vote. If you do not think that played a role, you are delusional or just plain foolish.
    Also, some states will (ie DE, CA, and NY) will have to reach rock bottom like NJ and MI before they will wake-up and realize that decades of Dem/Progressive rule have ruined them. God bless the people of MI and and OH who woke up from their slumber and soundly rejected the Lib/Socialist agenda that has wreaked havoc in their states. I pray the recovery of jobs is swift for them.
    Assessing what could be improved is good, it will make us stronger. But this is not the time to backtrack and try the same old tired strategies that worked in the past. This is a new era, the Tea Party era. We are here to stay. I predict that it the GOP takes your advice (which thank God I don’t think they will) and undermines the Tea Party they will find themselves going the way of the Whigs. Extinct.

  • darcdante

    But it also didn’t work with Rand Paul (who may have had a safer state than, say Colorado or Nevada), but there’s no doubt that the Aqua Buddha allegations made him look a bit whacko.

    The real danger is simply in letting our conservative ideals blind us to what mainstream people will accept, The GOP should have had an easy win in Colorado, but it looks like Bennett may take the seat. This is because Buck was able to be polarized for his views on abortion and social security. While conservatives may love the notion of outright banning abortion, we have to realize that’s never going to happen, and we only hurt ourselves when we act like it’s possible.

    Privatizing social security (at least partially) may be a possibility in the future, but it’s best we not discuss it until the GOP has some large majorities because it will create a backlash. People may not like Obamacare, but they do generallly like Social Security. We need to play our cards right and elect conservatives who vow no new spending. Once that’s in place, we can look at rolling back the bloated, deficit-busting programs the Democrats and RINOs have given us.

    So I agree that they were able to strawman the Tea Party candidates somewhat, but it wasn’t just because of O’Donnell’s views on masturbation. It’s largely because a national ban on abortion doesn’t sit well with many people outside in the Tea Party (and arguably quite a few within it as well).

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    But not the losses. Why am I not surprised by this?

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    was the example of how a true tea partier can get elected on a big stage. The meida was salivating when he got the nomination but they soon found out that Rand didn’t say anything stupid and in the end all they could come up with was the aqua budda thing from 30 years ago and that backfired. The lesson is they can be tea partiers but the must also be polished and professional and then they can get past the negative stigma.

  • victrola

    O’Donnell was THE face of the Tea Party movement against the establishment. She received far more press than any other candidate. This was the Tea Party’s shining example of their ideal candidate.

    Now we have an admitted Marxist as a Senator who won by nearly 20 points.

    O’Donnell made even conservatives run in the other direction, and gave off the image that the Tea Party was a bunch of crackpots. I absolutely believe her brand cost us close races around the country.

    Independents and moderates (who you HAVE to win over to win elections) wanted sanity brought back to Congress. Not more crazy people.

  • KeepOhioRed

    I’d still rather have Mike Castle than Harry Reids pet.

    Primary Castle? Absolutely. If the candidate you put up isn’t a total flake.

  • chbroussard

    My mind’s a little foggy on this, but I think that Attorney General Greg Abbott was slow in announcing another run for Attorney General, and that was what Cruz was going to run for if Abbott didn’t. Greg Abbott did decide to run. Don’t recall Cruz ever being mentioned as running for Kay’s seat. Michael Williams was out in front declaring he’d run for the seat when wishy washy Kay said she was going to retire and run for governor, then would retire if she lost, blah, blah, blah.

    If I’m wrong on this, I encourage any fellow Texans out there to correct me. Bottom line, though, in my opinion Williams and Cruz are both good guys. Both are minorities, and Republicans really need to expand our base to include conservative minority candidates (like Allen West) Maybe Cruz, who right now I don’t think has quite the same name recognition as Williams, could get out there and introduce himself to the state over the next couple of years. John Cornyn is up for relection in 2014, and that could be a real good fit for Cruz.

  • victrola

    …they really wanted to lose those anyway.

  • Zaber

    He’ll probably even put out feelers or maybe even form an exploratory committee.. will he get the nomination? I doubt he has a chance of that. Too much baggage about being Bush’s successor to overcome.

    I see Rubio as the VP candidate in 2012 – his seat is secure with 4 years left at that point, and with Scott winning the mansion in FL, there’s no worry about losing the seat if he becomes the actual VP.

    Pairing him with Pence or Pawlenty would be an awesome team with a good chance to win.. mostly conservative without being “too far” to the right for the people as a whole, and Rubio brings the whole TEA party on-board with him, without bringing any crazy baggage from the 2010 cycle with him.

  • darcdante

    “Had we won, it would play into the Dem playbook of blaming Repubs by for anything and everything during the next two years.”

    This will work to our benefit come 2012. If people are still unhappy 2 years from now, the Democrats will still get blamed. Taking the House means that we can slow down and even stop some of the agenda without shouldering much of the blame. It sets us up perfectly for more gains in 2012 and hopefully the White House this go around.

  • victrola

    For one, being a doctor, he obviously was intelligent. He had a thoughtful take on issues, and didn’t just scream bumper sticker slogans. He wasn’t some unemployed loser that had nothing better to do.

    It also helps that he came from a deep-Red conservative Southern state that normally elects Republicans on a national level.

    He also had a disgusting Democrat opponent that overreached on his attack ads by going after his supposed atheism.

    Had Paul ran in a more purple state, he probably would have had a more difficult time getting elected.

  • fpete13527

    I dont think Senators should blindly follow.
    The point for me isnt that there shouldnt be blind followers, (like there were toward middle of Bush term)

    The point for me is to see more than ONE who are willing to take a STRONG conservative stand.

    I also think that there could have been at least one or two that backed DeMint fully. Barrasso could have done that and not at ALL been looked at as “blindly” but rather… the opposite…. as someone courageously taking a “stand .”

    If there was no DeMint stand, there would probably have been half or less of the Conservative Senator gains…and much worse over all.

    If there was no stand in the Senate by DeMint, we would have probably been in worse shape than if we just barely won the House or worse.

    Again I respect and understand the disagreement on Barrasso.

  • minister_of_war

    is someone called Lisa Murkowski, even though Hatch is probably way too liberal for the voters he represents, .

    Murkowski represents everything that is wrong in America. I hate that woman with a passion right now. I hope that she becomes a Democrat.

    After Robert Bennett lost in the Republican nominating process in Utah this year, he flirted with the idea of running as an independent or a write-in candidate. Thank God that he didn’t pull the trigger on such a threat, but since Lisa “I’m entitled to the Senate seat Daddy Gave Me” Murkowski appears to have won, people like Hatch might be more likely to follow her lead & run as independents or write-ins when it is apparent that they have lost or will lose their Republican nominations.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Someone that is actually tested, has a coherent message, ideas about policy and less porn in their Inbox might work better. IMHO.

    Instead were stuck with a guy that will guarantee people and jobs continue to flee the state.

  • JSobieski

    Angle lost because her political skills as a candidate were limited. She largely avoided the media. Conservatism did not lose in Nevada, Angle did.

    The person in the arena matters. How ironic that a person quoting Teddy Roosevelt about the person in the arena seems so willing the dismiss the person in the arena.

    If I could vote purely ideology, I would vote for the Heritage Foundation policy papers at the top of the ticket and the American Enterprise Institute at the bottom of the ticket. However, elections are about candidates.

    We aren’t ever going to have perfect candidates, but we shouldn’t be so dismissive of the importance that non-ideological aspects of candidates play in elections.

  • JSobieski

    Angle lost because her political skills as a candidate were limited. She largely avoided the media. Conservatism did not lose in Nevada, Angle did.

    The person in the arena matters. How ironic that a person quoting Teddy Roosevelt about the person in the arena seems so willing the dismiss the person in the arena.

    If I could vote purely ideology, I would vote for the Heritage Foundation policy papers at the top of the ticket and the American Enterprise Institute at the bottom of the ticket. However, elections are about candidates.

    We aren’t ever going to have perfect candidates, but we shouldn’t be so dismissive of the importance that non-ideological aspects of candidates play in elections.

  • eeisok

    Target Brown and Snowe? Targeting moderate Republicans in red states is a good idea; targeting them in BLUE states is suicide.

    What kind of Republican do you think is electable in Maine? In Massachusettes?

    You will only be able to elect moderate Republicans. That is it. Conservative Republicans WILL NOT be elected there. PERIOD.

    Snowe, for all her “RINOness”, stood by the GOP WHEN IT COUNTED. She HAS to buck the party on occasion to appear independent. Snowe and Collins strung the Democrats along, before finally voting NO on the bill after MONTHS of delay. If there is anyone that should be THANKED for not having a public option in the law right now, it is the 2 Senators from Maine. And you want to get rid of them???

    But it’s absolutely FOOLHARDY to purge all Republicans, because you know what we will have? A very very pure…MINORITY.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    I’m 33 years old, so I’m part of this “younger generation” but I’m a little more thoughtfull and carefull than you average young kid that rushes out and votes for whatever the “movement” is at the time.

  • JSobieski

    A candidacy includes policy positons, but it also includes a lot more than that

  • earlgrey

    consequently it I don’t have a feel for how well she would go over in the rest of the state. I voted, made hubby vote , but we knew none of our races would be close.

  • southernilpat

    I think the main value of this list is for the people who live in these states. Put your Senator on notice that you are watching and intend to hold them fully accountable for their actions.

    I think our best strategy would be to really go after a few vulnerable D seats while holding the Rs. Even knocking off Snowe wouldn’t be worth it if it results in a D win. McCaskill, Stabenow, and Webb are all beatable.

    Even if we replace every RINO with a true conservative we would still be the minority. Get the majority back first and THEN fine tune.

  • acat

    Yes, the candidates matter .. sometimes. Sometimes, you can run a three-legged-dog and win. Gingrich proved this in 1984 – all ya had to be was anti-Clinton, pro-Contract … and we got some real boneheaded repubs as a result, but we got some good guys too. This election was more normal, more of a mixed bag – especially on the House side.

    That said, O’Donnell was far from perfect, but if the Delaware Republican party had managed to find their balls and get in the game, it could have gone the other way. Same applies to Angle in Nevada – there was a lot of hissing from the Tarkanian camp after the primary, and given the vote totals, a number of ‘em sat it out.

    I’ll use Kirk in Illinois as an example here – he’s a fiscal conservative and a social moderate – exactly what we need, right? – but he came very close to losing to a crooked banker with mob ties. He would not have won if the Illinois Republicans had swallowed their differences and pulled together .. and if Giannoulias hadn’t been a lousy candidate.

    Mew

  • StandardCandle

    Although this scenario is SO unlikely, its beyond description. It will be EVERY BIT WORTH THE EFFORT to primary him out of the ‘R’ seat.

    Orrin Hatch turned independent isn’t as scary as Murkowski turned independent, he would more often vote the same as he always has. That scenario is more like Joe Liberman turning independent, then caucusing with the D’s most of the time.

    The reality is Utah voters won’t put up with it… Utah republicans would see it as a sore loser, which is why Bennett didn’t go independent, because it would tarnish the reputations of all of his staff and campaigners. The Utah democrats would still put their best candidate forward, and in the end, Hatch would end up with egg on his face, and campaign debts for nothing.

  • Massachusetts_Transplant

    then we can all get behind her, rasie her a bunch of money and help her defeat “establishment” backed Dean Heller (assuming Ensign steps aside) in the GOP Senate primary.

    Sure, she’ll lose the state 58% – 40%, and we’ll have the first father-son combo in Senate history w/ Rory and Harry – but at least we will have beaten the “establishment” . . . which seems to be the main goal now, right?

    Of course, she’ll also be a drag on our Presidential ticket, Congressman Heck swing district, Heller’s open district, and the new 4th congressional district, but who cares – beating the “establishment” so that the “establishment” really does know that we are willing to lose winnable Senate seats everywhere is as I said the main goal now.

  • swami7774

    …then he should clarify or reword his statement.

  • swami7774

    …I just reread his statement and he did, in fact, state that “not all will be targets”. But it does come off as bit of “anyone who dares stray from ideological purity will be dealt with.” Probably not meant that way, but if you list “potential targets” and include people like Scott Brown you’re bound to get misinterpreted.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    And hopefully learn from their mistakes. That’s the right way to move forward.

  • Zaber

    The people of Delaware put O’Donnell in the general election. Her past comments came back to haunt her, and the people of Delaware were swayed by the MSM’s fixation on a few weird comments.

    Would you rather have a RINO like Castle there, who probably would have switched to a (D) at the first sign of trouble? Not me.. if we weren’t going to win the Senate and get to choose the leader and make the committee assignments, I’d rather see someone who will fully support whatever Obama wants, which will just make the Dems look worse in 2012.

  • zipbags

    We probably won’t get anyone more conservative thant Snowe & Brown. They are only a concern when we are at 50-50. If we can switch some senators who are dems from red states and get a lead of 3 or 4. Then we don’t have to worry as much if Snowe or Brown side with the dems. And eeisok is right…When it really mattered they both stood with the Repubs.

    More importantly. They see the mood of the country and know the country wants the Obama policies to stop. Heck, even some Dems from red states who are up for election in 2012 will be more willing to side with the Repubs.

  • Zaber

    “Note that this is just the list of Senate Republicans running. Not all will be targets, but it will be from these men and women that the tea party movement starts looking for targets.”

  • barleycorn

    I think it is reasonable and in fact smart to demand that blue state Republicans be fiscal conservatives, and support individual liberty and the Constitution. On the social issues (and I’m pro-life no exceptions and think only one man and one woman make a marriage) and some of the nanny state issues I think we need to cut them some slack.

  • red_oakster

    Some of these candidates had good GOTV efforts; some didn’t.

    ALL saw their leads squeezed-some to the point of defeat. That means something else happened. Something happened that was more widespread than blaming Sharon Angle for being a bad candidate. It’s a mistake to ignore that last minute swing to the Democrats. It could cost us big in 2012 if we don’t adjust our strategy.

  • acat

    Please be advised that Red State has folks both younger and older than you around – folks who are also “thoughtful” and “careful” and may disagree with you.

    Get used to it.

    So far, Brown has been a bit of a disappointment to a lot of us because even though he ran as a fiscal conservative, he’s proven squishier than we’d like.

    Ensign is just as crooked as Reid – he’s just as vulnerable. What’s needed is a better on-the-ground organization than Angle had. Lowden may have been better as a candidate, but that’s water long gone under the bridge.

    In fact, every candidate Erick listed has flaws, and is vulnerable in the primary *if* the conservatives work together at the local and state level – (points at Cold Warrior and the Precinct Project) and make a difference in who gets the nomination… and also in every case, a Republican can clearly win – since all of the seats listed are already in Republican hands.

    Mew

  • audax

    All I said was Rove should have kept his mouth SHUT until AFTER the election, especially about O’Donnell…His words were used to trash her by the MSM non-stop! So be Blissful in your own Ignorance!

  • audax

    …He should have worked behind the scenes after the general but no, Rove had to open his mouth and give the MSM enough ammunition to shoot at O’Donnell until the general election!

  • BrendanW

    for the info… you are right about Cruz (met him at a family wedding, just dont know about his popularity/politics in texas.)

    It’s always good to have strong conservatives on the bench.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    his notion that I “dated myself by mentioning Goldwater” when in fact he was wrong.

  • howardbeale

    The only possibly good thing that came out of CA was the vote on Props 20 and 27. These were opposing propositions. If you voted the same on them, you cancelled out your vote (if both had passed, a special condition applied where the proposition with the most yes votes would have prevailed).

    Proposition 20 basically put redistricting into the hands of the Citizens Redistricting Commission. Prop 27 would have eliminated the CRC and put redistricting into the politicians’ hands.

    Prop 20 passed and Prop 27 failed last night. Hopefully this can end the gerrymandering that plagues this state, but it remains to be seen.

  • aesthete

    What’s done is done. I would simply like for us to take away the very important lessons that a) we are not voting for policy papers or philosophical positions, but rather, for candidates. Thus, our recruitment has to be on point so that we can find and attract better candidates who encapsulate our views, and that b) we must look at what the candidate actually believes in, has said and has done, not at who the candidate is affiliated with.This time around, we had limited options and mobility, given that the Tea Party movement was (and in many ways still it) an emergent movement. For the amount of time and resources that they dedicated to candidates and candidate recruitment, I think they did an outstanding job, but I know that they can do better for next time. If the Tea Party learns those two things and has the time to implement what they’ve learned, we’ll have a truly formidable force, and not just a foil to big-spending Republicrats.

  • aesthete

    What’s done is done. I would simply like for us to take away the very important lessons that a) we are not voting for policy papers or philosophical positions, but rather, for candidates. Thus, our recruitment has to be on point so that we can find and attract better candidates who encapsulate our views, and that b) we must look at what the candidate actually believes in, has said and has done, not at who the candidate is affiliated with.This time around, we had limited options and mobility, given that the Tea Party movement was (and in many ways still it) an emergent movement. For the amount of time and resources that they dedicated to candidates and candidate recruitment, I think they did an outstanding job, but I know that they can do better for next time. If the Tea Party learns those two things and has the time to implement what they’ve learned, we’ll have a truly formidable force, and not just a foil to big-spending Republicrats.

  • acat

    Especially the lifetime rating.

    Don’t use that to justify keeping someone.

    Mew

  • JSobieski

    is alot more palatable than saying end social security.

    Saying end social security will end the R majority in 2012.

  • Massachusetts_Transplant

    because the point is that Christine O’Donnell, Ken Buck, and Sharron Angle made it all that much harder for us. Now we need a net gain of 4 just to take the Senate back in 2012 – and where does that leave us, still with a margin so narrow that we’re still one Snowe/Collins from losing the vote. Had we made it to 51 or 50, and go +4 in 2012, now you actually can win some of the votes.

    The problem with many on this board is you don’t seem to be able to distinguish between a perennial gadfly candidate like O’Donnell and an attractive, articulate conservative like Rubio or Toomey. If anything, O’Donnell damaged the Tea Party and Republican brand elsewhere. I have watched for months as solid Republicans like Kelly Ayotte and Jane Norton were trashed and branded as RINOs by people who have never set foot in NH or CO. Now we are targeting Bob Corker? Why? I find him thoughtful and articulate – the type of person you can put on This Week or Meet the Press and know he can forward the argument.

    So yes, although I am happy about the House, I did wake up on the wrong side of the bed, as 1) I am from Massachusetts, and 2) I find it appalling that Harry Reid and Rubberstamp Bennet are both going back to the Senate – and only because we nominated two very weak candidates in each case. I wish we had Senator Elect Lowden and Senator Elect Norton this morning, but instead we have Harry and Michael for 6 LONG years.

  • http://practicalgopvoter.blogspot.com/ texasproud

    The tea party movement saved our party and gave it the motivationa thrust to get across the finish line in the House and in some Senate seats in the midwest. It also helped to nominate superior candidates in Florida and Kentucky. But the lesson, when it comes to statewide races is that having the right stances on the issues is important, but if their constituency doesn’t believe you are qualified to hold that office, it doesn’t matter. We lost Senate races in Colorado, Nevada, and Delaware that we had no business losing. I don’t think the difference between Ken Buck and Jane Norton was that big, but obviously hindsight is 20/20, and maybe she would have done better-I don’t know. I do know that Reid won re-election with a 55% disapproval rating because Sharron Angle was an incredibly weak candidate. The fact that we lost this race is a bigger indictment on Angle and her campaign than it is a compliment to Prince Harry. Delaware really doesn’t need that much explanation. O’Donnell was a media sensation but not a serious candidate. She might have been the most misunderstood candidate and had the most dispicable things done to her over the past month, but let’s be honest-she was a weak candidate. She marginally improved on her performance from two years ago. I don’t care about moral victories and her winning the primary to lose yesterday is winning a battle to lose the war to me. As a whole, though, the tea party has made this country believe again. Here in Texas, we went from a 77-73 margin in the state house to a 99-51 margin with 3 more congressional republicans.

    Looking forward to 2012 senate races, the most important thing to me is knocking off liberal dems like Sherrod Brown (OH), Debbie Stabenow (MI), Kent Dorgan (ND), Ben Nelson (NE), Bill Nelson (FL), Claire McCaskil (MO), Manchin (WV), Webb (VA), Casey (PA), and Menendez (NJ). We know Hutchison is stepping down. I am definitely up for primary challengers like what we had in Mike Lee in Utah, but we better be sure that the challenger is both an improvement as a policy maker AND is a credible, electable candidate. If that candidate loses in November, those warm fuzzies about making the establishment pay instantly dissolves into the reality that the other side has made us pay

  • http://practicalgopvoter.blogspot.com/ texasproud

    The tea party movement saved our party and gave it the motivationa thrust to get across the finish line in the House and in some Senate seats in the midwest. It also helped to nominate superior candidates in Florida and Kentucky. But the lesson, when it comes to statewide races is that having the right stances on the issues is important, but if their constituency doesn’t believe you are qualified to hold that office, it doesn’t matter. We lost Senate races in Colorado, Nevada, and Delaware that we had no business losing. I don’t think the difference between Ken Buck and Jane Norton was that big, but obviously hindsight is 20/20, and maybe she would have done better-I don’t know. I do know that Reid won re-election with a 55% disapproval rating because Sharron Angle was an incredibly weak candidate. The fact that we lost this race is a bigger indictment on Angle and her campaign than it is a compliment to Prince Harry. Delaware really doesn’t need that much explanation. O’Donnell was a media sensation but not a serious candidate. She might have been the most misunderstood candidate and had the most dispicable things done to her over the past month, but let’s be honest-she was a weak candidate. She marginally improved on her performance from two years ago. I don’t care about moral victories and her winning the primary to lose yesterday is winning a battle to lose the war to me. As a whole, though, the tea party has made this country believe again. Here in Texas, we went from a 77-73 margin in the state house to a 99-51 margin with 3 more congressional republicans.

    Looking forward to 2012 senate races, the most important thing to me is knocking off liberal dems like Sherrod Brown (OH), Debbie Stabenow (MI), Kent Dorgan (ND), Ben Nelson (NE), Bill Nelson (FL), Claire McCaskil (MO), Manchin (WV), Webb (VA), Casey (PA), and Menendez (NJ). We know Hutchison is stepping down. I am definitely up for primary challengers like what we had in Mike Lee in Utah, but we better be sure that the challenger is both an improvement as a policy maker AND is a credible, electable candidate. If that candidate loses in November, those warm fuzzies about making the establishment pay instantly dissolves into the reality that the other side has made us pay

  • renny

    so DE lost nothing that it wouldn’t have if a RINO had run.

    BUT, O’Donnell would have been in a better position is 1) Castle had endorsed her and offered her his ground team, 2) the Sen. Election Committee had given her any money and support, and 3) if the RNC had really given her money and support.

    In the “last days,” little o was in DE practically every other hr.

    I do not know who Angle did with her local GOP or national connections, but the Reps. have been famous for shooting themselves in the temple when the question came to supporting someone not in the old boys’ club.

    Years, ago, when Christie Whitman first ran, she raised merely $750,000 against Bill Bradley who had raised $13,500,000 yet Christie was only defeated by 1.5%, and she never got bumpkus from the RNC.

  • aesthete

    I still think that, given the time and resource constraints that the Tea Parties had to deal with, they did very well with what they had. I’m not going to stand up and cheer for candidates like Paladino, Maes or O’Donnell, but with a movement as disparate as the Tea Party movement, you’re bound to get some flops. I’ll emphasize that besides refining the ideas of the movement and ensuring that a change in parties doesn’t dilute the message, the best thing that can happen to the TPM is better candidate recruitment within the ranks.

    As JSob says, candidates matters.

  • aesthete

    I still think that, given the time and resource constraints that the Tea Parties had to deal with, they did very well with what they had. I’m not going to stand up and cheer for candidates like Paladino, Maes or O’Donnell, but with a movement as disparate as the Tea Party movement, you’re bound to get some flops. I’ll emphasize that besides refining the ideas of the movement and ensuring that a change in parties doesn’t dilute the message, the best thing that can happen to the TPM is better candidate recruitment within the ranks.

    As JSob says, candidates matters.

  • SeriousLaff

    O’donnell WAS held up as the poster child for nut job tea partiers and probably made matters worse elsewhere. She would have voted right if elected but there had to be better candidates who were just as good on the issues but not unelectable. Same with Angle and McMahon.

    I am not saying that we should have rolled over and accepted Mike Caste. We need better candidates to run in the primaries. If we had better candidates then DE, WV, CN and CO would be ours. Also, OR and NY were missed opportunities because strong candidates didn’t run there either.

    If you are successful in the business world, then run fro office. Do it because you really want to change things not because you want to stroke your ego. Also don’t run if you:

    1. Have a history of saying stupid things on television in the past.
    2. Can’t keep from saying stupid things on the campaign trail.
    3. Have tax problems.
    4. Hire illegal immigrants.

    Better candidates can win, if they run.

  • acat

    your apparent rejection of Palin and Tea Party partisans.

    At this point, like it or not, they are the power moving the wave.

    Yes, they could use better candidates – but look at how the Delaware selection process works and tell me when these “better candidates” were hiding.

    Better yet, let’s work on 2012. I think Brown needs a “reminder” from the Right – yes, he’s in a very Blue state, but he’s also supposed to be something of a fiscal conservative…. He seems to have forgotten this.

    Mew

  • JSobieski

    People should talk to some swing voters about why they voted why they did.

    Personal qualities like likeability matter. So do professional qualifications, life history, and a history of accomplishments.

    People don’t want to vote for snobby elitists, but they don’t want to vote for people who appear to be no more capable than they themselves are.

    There is a double standard for conservatives. Angle is far more capable than Stabenow. However, conservatives deal with reality.

  • Carol Tarasewicz

    Erick,

    Nothing has changed here in MA. We still have Barney Frank despite Sean Bielat and seven other good candidates against the 9 congress seats we have. We still have them today. The most unpopular gov early this year was reelected yesterday Deval Patrick. We hoped we could get rid of Coakley as DA, McKenna broke record with 27,000 write ins to make ballot, but we didn’t make one change.
    Scott is the best we’ll get out of this state. I am more conservative than he is but I’m happy he is our senator.

  • victrola

    I’m very upset that it will now take a really big year in 2012 for Republicans to capture a simple majority in the Senate.

    I really don’t think RINOs are THE major problem of the conservative movement right now, and that term is thrown around WAY too much. Defeating liberal Democrats is the major obstacle for the conservative movement right now.

    To achieve a governing majority and actually pass conservative legislation, we need moderate Republicans that can represent Blue States.

    I’m ecstatic we have a Scott Brown in Massachusetts. Let’s try and knock off a few more New England states with Left-Wing Democrats representing them.

  • JSobieski

    (1) Once Angle became the nominee, it made no sense to criticize her in any way. People who had done so were right criticized. To say that folks should have raised their concerns before the election contradicts the generally sound rule that R’s should do no harm after the primary.

    (2) Angle snuck up the ranks right before the primary vote in Nevada. I follow things as closely as most people, and I had not heard much about her until about a week before she won. I knew that the Shark’s son was more conservative than the other establishment type lady who was running, but I knew nothing about Angle.

    (3) While candidates should not be selected primarily on the ability to win (which you are correct, requires the power to see into the future),. the response to sincere weaknesses of a candidate during a primary with “why does that matter, he or she is conservative” is to act in diregard to the ability of a candidate to appeal to swing voters.

    Appealing to swing voters does not mean being a RINO, a squish, or a liberal, it comes down to being a good communicator of conservatism (Paul Ryan), having a impressive history of past achievement (Fred Thompson running for Senate), or both (Rubio).

    When we are debating candidates on Redstate, it would be nice if people could at least admit that the candidate matters, and that much of the electorate does not vote exclusively or even primarily on the basis of ideology.

    During the entire O’Donnell discussion, just repeating the last sentence above was enough to send people into a tizzy.

    Candidates matter.

  • JSobieski

    Statewide races involve far more scrutiny than House races.

    If O’Donnell had not been a repeated guest on Politically Incorrect and if she was running for a non-statewide House position (I realize the Delaware Rep is an at large seat covering the entire state), she would have received far less attention, less scrutiny, and had an easier path to victory.

    Same for Angle. Frankly, if Angle was just another person running for Senate, rather than running to replace the sitting majority leader, I think the outcome would be different as well.

  • audax

    …Sarah Palin went into the arena and endorsed candidates, she worked with what she had, she “dared greatly” even though she”erred” on a few of her choices….wasn’t about O’Donnell or Angle, it was about Sarah Palin.

    ….who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly…..

  • Zaber

    I was not a fan of O’Donnell at all, and I was not personally thrilled about her winning the nomination, but Castle was so past center that he was one step away from going full on (D) after taking office.

    Do I wish we’d had a “better” conservative candidate? You better believe it. Once the people of Delaware put O’Donnell in the race, we could only support her, and it didn’t work out.

    As far as Angle, Fiorina, and Buck went – they were strong candidates, and polling indicated that they had a very good chance of winning their races. Angle was done in by the unions basically forcing their employees to go with Reid; I think Buck was done in by some foot-in-mouth issues too late in the campaign to recover from, and Carly was going up against Boxer in California, which was going to require a miracle or some serious voter crankiness.

    On the good sign, we can always count of old Faithless Joe Lieberman to not support the Ds on a regular basis, and I honestly think that Manchin turns (R), if not within the next 2 years, right after he is re-elected (if he is) in 2012. He’s already going to vote with us, we know that, so its like a half-seat.

  • audax

    Wasn’t talking about Angle or O’Donnell but about Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin stepped into the arena and endorsed candidates and some of those candidates failed. But Palin dared greatly…here is the best part again…read it slowly and think Sarah Palin while reading…..

    …who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly…

  • audax
  • CowboyUp4419

    Maybe I was watching different election returns than you were because I seem to have missed all our historic wins of conservative candidates in deep blue territory. We picked up a Senate seat in a bluish-purple state where the conservative candidate didn’t have to knock off a Republican incumbent first and had two years to campaign all on his own but that’s nowhere near as challenging as knocking off an entrenched incumbent and then turning around and winning a general election in enemy territory.

    Which wins exactly are you talking about that make it look like taking out Snowe and Collins is a good idea?

  • rightwingmom52

    He’s not as bad as some, but he’s a porker, and we need new blood.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    JD had no effect on McCain. None. Zip. Nada. Everybody in Arizona knew that JD had the same chance of surviving the primary as a snowstorm in August in Phoenix. None. Some folks just hate McCain so much they prefered denial. The only reason JD ran – IMO – is that it gave him the ability to pay off the debt from his last House campaign. McCain spent $20MM beating JD – and he would have won if he’d spent nothing – because he could. The end result was never in doubt. The Dems had an unknown Marxist from Tucson and no money and no organization. Note that McCain didn’t spend even close to $1MM to win the general.

    McCain does what he does because he’s a Contrarian. He will fight Obama tooth and nail on any issue that he thinks he can get traction, much like he did with Bush. It’s not in his makeup to “work with” a sitting President. McCain will likely be a very good Senator for at least the next two years. If we elect a Republican in ’12 he’ll go back to being a pain in the butt.

    As far as Kyl is concerned, nobody is going to beat him. Period. As bad as the Democrat field was this year in Arizona, it will be 1000 times worse in ’12. There are no Democrats left who have anything even remotely resembling statewide name recognition. Just like with McCain this year, Kyl will have the ability to spend unlimited funds against a primary opponent who will have no money and no organization. It will another 20 point plus debacle. And putting up a sacrificial joke in a primary doesn’t impact anybody’s behavior, if anything it just reinforces a possible preconception that the electorate is stupid.

    With respect to KBH, she’s no conservative in any sense of the word. She is a creature of DC. And the best part, you’ve got a seasoned and well respected opponent who is poster-conservative, will be very well funded, has huge cred in TX having won statewide elections and has an organization.

  • Addison
  • Addison

    …this was supposed to be a reply to the above comment re: Senator Shelby.

  • Scope

    we lost in 06 and 08 because the faux-conservatives went along with faux conservative policies like No Child Left Behind, and, Medicare Part D, which weren’t even faux conservative, they were outright Liberal or Socialist. Thank God we screamed loud enough to keep the Bush/McCain/Kennedy Amnesty bill from passing. Now, you want to keep those same people in place, to continue to compromise.

    I don’t believe you know what the difference is between conservatives and moderates. It wasn’t the conservatives that cheered them on, it was the moderates, and the Progressive Republicans that drove the knife into the heart of the 06 and 08 elections. The Republicans made great gains last night, and they are on probation. As to party affiliation, the Republicans still do not surpass the Democrats, but, the conservatives far surpass the moderates and the Liberals. You can choose to argue that it was the Tea Parties, or those that associate with them, that picked bad candidates last night, and that the NRSC is all rainbows and unicorns, but, you do that at your own risk of being left in the dust. It was the Tea Parties, which swelled the voting rolls, that finally woke up, and got engaged in politics, some for the first time, that flooded the polling precincts yesterday. If it weren’t for the Tea Parties, last night would have never happened.

    I’d like you to cite the first election in history where there weren’t wins and losses for both parties. Remember, the Republicans are still on probation. They haven’t exactly been given an A rating.

  • nvrepub

    nt

  • nvrepub

    nt

  • aesthete

    for a number of reasons:

    First, we do have a set of potential candidates who could make for outstanding Senators, namely Jeff Flake and John Shadegg. Both have verifiable, consistent conservative records, even voting against the Bush spending (which to me a better test of conservatism than whether a given Senator opposes the spending agenda of the opposite party). It’s simply a matter of getting one of the two to run.

    Kyl has a number of votes that are… problematic, having voted for Medicare Pt D, No Child Left Behind and large parts of the Bush spending, and some of the issues that he put his time and energy into in Congress were also problematic (he was one of the big pushers for the online gambling ban which passed under Bush).

    Sure, he’s not the worst guy in Congress (a pretty large chunk of Republicans voted party line on Medicare Pt D and the rest of the repugnant 2000-2008 agenda), but if we can get one of the two I mentioned to run for the seat, it would be a relatively easy swap of a mushy conservative for a rock-ribbed one.

  • aesthete

    for a number of reasons:

    First, we do have a set of potential candidates who could make for outstanding Senators, namely Jeff Flake and John Shadegg. Both have verifiable, consistent conservative records, even voting against the Bush spending (which to me a better test of conservatism than whether a given Senator opposes the spending agenda of the opposite party). It’s simply a matter of getting one of the two to run.

    Kyl has a number of votes that are… problematic, having voted for Medicare Pt D, No Child Left Behind and large parts of the Bush spending, and some of the issues that he put his time and energy into in Congress were also problematic (he was one of the big pushers for the online gambling ban which passed under Bush).

    Sure, he’s not the worst guy in Congress (a pretty large chunk of Republicans voted party line on Medicare Pt D and the rest of the repugnant 2000-2008 agenda), but if we can get one of the two I mentioned to run for the seat, it would be a relatively easy swap of a mushy conservative for a rock-ribbed one.

  • JSobieski

    nt

  • JSobieski

    nt

  • howardbeale

    My take on this comes down to thre points

    1. You have to find a sweet spot where a candidate can win the election without being a RINO. I think Tarkanian would have been a better candidate in Nevada than Angle for example, and he was not a RINO. It’s an art more than a science since it’s not like you can graph it.

    2. You have to accept that you’re not going to win them all. It just doesn’t happen. It’s tougher to win in the Senate because the whole state votes for you and the Senate races across the country are where I was disappointed most (outside of CA).

    3. The Tea Party movement is still in its infancy, so mistakes will be made.

  • treeofliberty

    Massachusetts proved yet again how deep blue and in the tank they are for Obama’s statist agenda.

  • JSobieski

    I don’t like at all elections throught the prism of what Sarah Palin did or didn’t do.

    I am saying that we will not be adept at picking good candidates if every criticism of someone’s record is responded to with some type of RINO comment.

    Perceptions of competence matter.

    I want the most conservative votes I can get too, but to ignore that fact that some people vote on non-ideological premises is to ignore an important fact.

    Reid favorability rating in Nevada was under 50%. The only reason an incumbant survives in that situation is if the candidate cannot persuade the electorate that they are a viable alternative.

    If you read about the historical Reagan landslide in 1980 against Carter, most assessments of the race where that it was actually quite close until swing votersmade the assessment that Reagan was not who he was portrayed as being.

    Reid did the same thing to Angle, but she did not have the candidate skills to pull it off.

    Not sure what your goals are, but mine are in having the most conservative governemnt possible, as quickly as possible, and as long as possible.

    I don’t mind going down for good candidates. Miller and Buck had a lot going for them, so I don’t begrudge those losses. Angle to me was borderline, given that she was up against the majority leader.

    I just want “candidate skills” to be part of the process of candidate evaluation.

    I think Sarah Palin did the party a LOT of good this cycle. This is not a criticism of her. However, this issue is also far bigger than any individual.

  • treeofliberty

    this despite a nationwide landslide of 60+ seats in the House and the worst environment for incumbent Democrats in generations

    we still lost every single congressional race in this state

    I worry that Brown may lose to a Kennedyesque liberal now we wanna primary the man ?? Sorry doesn’t make sense.

    Utah, South Carolina, Texas? Sure …try to find someone as conservative as you can but deep blue territory like Massachusetts, just be happy with what you can get. Just trying to be realistic here.

  • Robert Allen Leeper
  • aesthete

    Yes, I find some of the Republicans being attacked counterproductive (Brown shouldn’t really be on this list, IMO). However, last time Republicans were in power, they spent enough to make a socialist envious (to the extent, apparently, that one decided to run in ’08 to show us how much a real socialist could spend). They moved towards idealistic policies on the foreign policy front, unlearning the novel idea that America’s foreign policy should centered exclusively on America and its interests, and not “making the world safe for democracy” or making the armed forces into AmeriCorp with guns. They moved away from traditional conservative thought on the borders, and went so far as to offer a bill which would have exacerbated the problems associated with the status quo, had it passed. You may not agree with everything I wrote above (I’m sure many on RS would take issue with my animus towards Bush’s foreign policy), but as a conservative, you probably agree at least that conservatives went hog-wild on spending. Given that, it is judicious for us to make sure that the same thing doesn’t happen again. Differentiating conservatives and Tea Partiers is thus something that we should get on sooner, rather than later.

  • aesthete

    I know about the others and agree with you, but I hadn’t heard anything about Barasso until ObamaCare came along.

  • aesthete

    I know about the others and agree with you, but I hadn’t heard anything about Barasso until ObamaCare came along.

  • aesthete

    but if we could get Shadegg or Flake to run against Kyl (admittedly a big but), especially Shadegg, we could run a stout campaign against Kyl. In my ideal world, Flake would replace McCain when/if he retires, and Kyl would be toppled by Shadegg in a primary.

  • Robert Allen Leeper
  • aesthete

    “Some of them, wont? lose. I wish we could have used the money wasted on that lunatic Hayworth to gain a couple of additional House seats from Arizona.”

    If even a tenth of the money that made it into Hayworth’s oleaginous hands had made it to Kelly, he would have won hands down. If a fifth had made it to McClung, we would be watching Grijalva’s concession speech: yes, the Grijalva who crafted the original, single-payer healthcare bill.

  • Zaber

    What we need to do is take our blank sheet of paper, come up with a much better proposal that meets as many of the needs of the people as possible without socializing healthcare or dumping the burden on wage earners and the rich (you know.. making people responsible for their own living, silly stuff like that)…

    …Then, we present that bill.. post it online.. let everyone read it.. once everyone has had a chance to read it, then you introduce the bill to repeal Obamacare, and make sure every single person knows that this bill will go into place once Obamacare has been shredded, with no games by our party. Or, hey.. use Deem and Pass – we’ll deem our healthcare reform bill to be passed the instant the ink is dry on Obama’s signature on the repeal paperwork.

    At that point, if the repeal goes to Obama and he still vetoes it, even with the face of a good replacement plan ready to go into law that got there with some bipartisan support, he only shoots himself in the foot again.

  • JSobieski

    The weakest of the candidates you listed was a practicing physician who is pretty articulate at expressing a freedom based agenda. He was also running in a conservative state.

    In terms of candidate skills, Rubio, Toomey, Lee, and Hailey are vastly superior to O’Donnell and significantly better than Angle.

    I supported all of them in the primary except O’Donnel. I have money to Angle after the primary, but I never lied to myself that she was somehow a strong candidate.

    All I am asking for from the folks are on our side is not to turn every analysis of a candidates viability into a old elite establishment vs. the people mantra.

    I am no elitist and am not part of any establishment that I can fathom. I do however acknowledge that people vote for a litany of reasons, many of which are non-ideological.

    I know we cannot attract people voting for liberalism, but we can attract people who vote primarily for perceptions of competence in addition to people who vote primarily for perceptions of ideology.

  • JSobieski

    The weakest of the candidates you listed was a practicing physician who is pretty articulate at expressing a freedom based agenda. He was also running in a conservative state.

    In terms of candidate skills, Rubio, Toomey, Lee, and Hailey are vastly superior to O’Donnell and significantly better than Angle.

    I supported all of them in the primary except O’Donnel. I have money to Angle after the primary, but I never lied to myself that she was somehow a strong candidate.

    All I am asking for from the folks are on our side is not to turn every analysis of a candidates viability into a old elite establishment vs. the people mantra.

    I am no elitist and am not part of any establishment that I can fathom. I do however acknowledge that people vote for a litany of reasons, many of which are non-ideological.

    I know we cannot attract people voting for liberalism, but we can attract people who vote primarily for perceptions of competence in addition to people who vote primarily for perceptions of ideology.

  • Scope

    and the only reason his PAC got so much money to dole out was because Steele was completely incompetent in his role as RNC chair. I highly doubt that many of the candidates sought out Rove’s advice, but, every campaign needs every dollar it can get. Rove’s money is still green, and his ideas are still purple.

  • treeofliberty

    Now that the election is over, as much as I wanted Sharron Angle to win I think she made several mistakes and blunders which cost her the race. Biggest one in my mind was making illegal immigration such a big issue and running those controversial ads. It allowed the lamestream media to say she was a “raaacist” and portraying all latinos as “gangbangers” which in turn fired up the Latino voters who were previously , at best, lukewarm to the idea of getting out to vote for anyone, including Reid.

    All Angle had to do was take a page out of Dubya, stick to some basic talking points, attack like a bulldog on the economy and close optimistically by saying “Nevada…we can do better..”

    Better yet, try to COURT the latino votes by making Spanish language ads picturing a frustrated man coming home, unable to find work, to his wife and baby in her arms looking concerned, in the background the TV states how Nevada unemployment is the highest in the nation and how Latinos have even a higher unemployment rate than the state average.

    Instead, she allowed herself to be portrayed as “bigot”, got the Latino voters fired up over the ads (completely unnecessarily) and I also believe convinced a few, wishy washy “moderate” voters who get their news from 30 second soundbytes on the 11 o clock news that she was too “extreme”.

    From a purely strategic point of the view, there was simply no reason go after immigration so much: all the hardcore anti-illegal immigration people are not voting for Harry Reid so you don’t expand your base but you are getting the Latinos fired up to come out and vote against you. Even worse, you give a very unfriendly media s prime opportunity to paint you as a “bigot”, a “kook” etc

    As much as I hate to say it, and as much as I disagree with Rove for saying what he did DURING the campaign I sadly, think he has a point when he says that we need to recruit the best candidates possible . I think Marco Rubio is a great example of a candidate who espouses conservative views while EXPANDING your voting base, not shrinking it. That’s how you win elections.

  • JSobieski

    Is that sufficiently precise for you?

    The point is we need 60 Senators by 2012 if we are going to repeal Obamacare.

  • libertarianphilip

    I was depressed at the news and I’m ‘that way’ as some say. I couldn’t stand that, well I’ll be nice, though he dances well especially in the classic ‘Barney Shuffle’ courtesy of the not forgotten Mr. Bielat.

  • aesthete

    As a latecomer to the Paul fan club (I was skittish about some of his father’s views), I think that he was one of our better candidates by far. However, he certainly had some missteps that didn’t help (his comments vis a vis Civil Rights Amendment, Aqua Buddha, etc). I think what helped is that he was not defined by those statements. The extent to which other candidates were defined by these statements seemed to relate to what they had done in life: O’Donnell is the obvious one to pick on, given that she made a career out of playing the part of “clueless conservative” on the talking head circuit. Joe Miller is less easy to explain: on paper, he had a fantastic record (Yalie, West Point grad, Master’s in Econ, etc), but was somehow defined more by some embroglio having to do with online poker. I would like to see what lessons we can take away from Miller, whose characterization is strange given that he did have a record of some accomplisment.

  • eburke

    has egg all over its face? And her derisive dismissal of the movement that provided the excitement and energy and financing for an historical win?

    Because that’s what precipitated my response.

  • treeofliberty

    didn’t say anything stupid and ran against an incumbent D in a blue state and won decisively.

    Marco Rubio ran a brilliant campaign that helped to make a purple state deep red.

    The Johnson and Rubio victories show us how with the right candidate and the right strategy we can win big… even in 2 states that voted for Obama.

  • eburke

    Your first paragraph is nothing more than complete sanctimonious, condescending drivel with no basis in fact.

    Yeah, the Tea Partiers donated millions of dollars and thousands of hours of volunteer activities because they just wanted to thump their chest and didn’t care about winning elections.

    Oh, puleeze. For every tea party backed candidate that lost a race because they were, in your opinion, neanderthalic troglodytes, there were 10 who won because of the enthusiasm, money, and volunteer hours that were invested by the tea partiers in said races.

    Instead of acknowledging that fact, you use your 15 day old account to repeatedly bash the very people who resuscitated an elitist run, ossified GOP who would still be lying on the side of the road (or cowering in the back seat of Obama’s car).

    A little big picture perspective might be in order here.

  • eburke

    for, oh…150 years, and which has totally imploded in the state of NY, can’t come up with a decent candidate for *any* race, and so the Tea Partiers, who have been around for , oh…a year and a half, come up with a flawed candidate so, of course, let’s bash the Tea Partiers for being a bunch of schmucks while giving a complete pass to the NY GOP.

    Yep! Makes sense to me.

  • JSobieski

    I am trying to fashion a workable framework for victory. The tea parties were critical to our success in 2010, but that doesn’t mean that we should ignore learning things.

    I didn’t say anything negative about the tea party movement. What I said is that a candidate is more than the sum of their policy positions.

    If your list of candidates, you listed people who had favorable attributes having nothing to do with ideology. Just another way of saying the candidate matters.

    It is clear that in Senate races (as well as in governor races), non-ideological attributes play a greater role than they do in House races. This is likely the result of heightened media attention.

  • Robert Allen Leeper

    for that purpose. For example, John McCain’s ACU ratings of 96, 63 and 81.97 for 2009, 2008 and life reflect his shift to the right in 2009, but in my opinion the lifetime rating doesn’t adequately reflect his perfidy on McCain-Feingold, immigration reform or his opposition to tax cuts “for the rich” (in a debate when he was running for president in 2000).

  • JSobieski

    There are many people on this site who are simply unwilling or unable to even try to see how certain candidates will come across to the non-ideological voter.

    And before people start calling me a RINO, I am not proposing “moving to the center” or anything like that. What I am saying is we need to win the conservative vote and a majority of the voters who base their vote on qualifications/competence/life story.

    That is all I am advocating. I have not said one negative thing about the tea parties. I am saying lets try to do a better job getting candidates.

    Argue with what I am saying, or not. Don’t argue with a straw man that you project into my analysis.

  • earlgrey

    You make some good points. In all fairness, I am a tea partier. The tea party may not have been so opposed to the establishment candidates, if the establishment hadn’t shown so much disregard for conservatives, and if we weren’t coming off the loss of the great moderate John McCain who stood for nothing that I can recall except national defense.

  • runner12

    it is ALL the Tea Party’s fault that the unions run the show in those states. That they poured millions of dollars into those races and that Harry Reid was going door to door to the casinos calling in favors from the unions. How could I not see that? Thanks for enlightening me.
    If we would only have listened to you, we could have returned the glory days of 2006. Oh wait, we lost big that year and we followed the advice of old GOP elite. But this year the Tea Party is in full force and we make historic gains not seen since the 1800′s. Hmmmmm….. Makes you think that maybe the Tea Party is on to something. Think I will go with the Tea Party.
    Pardon the sarcasm, but you are so obviously a troll I could not help it. Your referral to the Teat Party as “they” and not “we” totally gave you away.
    You obviously did not read my letter or earlier posts when I noted that further vetting for candidates is necessary.

  • JSobieski

    If what you say is true, tea party candidates would have gone third party/independent, and tea party voters would have voted for those candidates.

    I think the tea party voters were pretty smart about things. As many have pointed out, the tea party did a better job at candidate selection that the state parties did in many instances.

    Who endorsed Crist? Murkowski? Who went independent?

  • eburke

    but I am stunned find this kind of ridiculous spin from folks supposedly on ‘our’ side.

    Let’s review: The reason that we had to go out and find candidates is because the NRSC is so pathetic at it that they gave us such luminaries as Charlie Crist, Arlen Specter, Trey Grayson and Bob Bennett so if you’re looking for the same people who caused the problem to fix it, good luck with that (I had forgotten that it was the NRSC that recruited Marco Rubio; oh, wait a minute…that’s right…it was those tea partying Neanderthals that gave him his boost)

    And you may want to inform Ron Johnson, Pat Toomey, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul and MIke Lee that conservativism doesn’t sell in statewide elections (and FTR, 3 of those states were won handily by The One)

    I’m tired of listening to people like you look at 2 or 3 races where the TeaParty backed a less than perfect candidate and while ignoring the fact that without those rubes in the Tea Party, this wave would’ve never happened because we’d still be running around trying to be Dem-lites.

    And perhaps more of the “Party” would’ve come home if people like you, who are now sanctimoniously beating their chests and saying “I told you so” would’ve actually put your shoulder to the wheel to help some of these ‘flawed’ candidates.

    Instead, you engage in the typical behavior of those ‘smarter than anyone else in the room’ Republicans who don’t lift a finger to help conservative candidates and then complain about how they ‘can’t ever win’.

  • aesthete

    Start by looking at a candidate’s votes on the “big ones”. For me, those are Medicare Pt D, No Child Left Behind, amnesty, McCain-Feingold, TARP, and various other bills passed by Republicans. Very few Republicans voted against all of those, but those that did are probably very reliably conservative.

    (Quick note on TARP: I think it was the “right” thing to do, but it certainly is a good baseline for conservatism, and besides, it was repugnant enough from a small-government perspective to require some good soldiers to fall on their swords, regardless.)

  • aesthete

    Start by looking at a candidate’s votes on the “big ones”. For me, those are Medicare Pt D, No Child Left Behind, amnesty, McCain-Feingold, TARP, and various other bills passed by Republicans. Very few Republicans voted against all of those, but those that did are probably very reliably conservative.

    (Quick note on TARP: I think it was the “right” thing to do, but it certainly is a good baseline for conservatism, and besides, it was repugnant enough from a small-government perspective to require some good soldiers to fall on their swords, regardless.)

  • powertothepeople

    that you can only pick from those who run. Can not remember his name, but a guy in Connecticut actually was inspired to run via the tea party. He was a novice to politics, but beat a long time incumbent.

    But then you look at DE and you see the opposite. The choice was Castle which disgusted just about everyone and O’Donnell who had too much baggage. Same with Nevada, Lowden or Angle, two choices that would be fighting an uphill battle.

    The problem with the Tea Party as I see is is vetting its choice in candidates. Say the right things and they jump to your side with little research into the past of the person. I also see the problem as being not enough people willing to run who are actual conservatives with no baggage and or a person who has a solid track record. If they continue to fail in their choices, they will fade into obscurity as the uprising of conservatism will stay around for a long time to come but will not stay as vocal. People who do not describe themselves as staunch conservatives will go back to simply looking at candidates, not voting against Obama and his party. We have to give them good choices with clean pasts and in order for the Tea Party to have those choices, more of us have to run.

    I liked O’Donnell and was hoping for a win, as I was with Angle. From their defeats I was able to see what the problem was and have decided to get involved myself. This morning I have started the process to run against a liberal mayor in my town for 2012. There are a ton of good people on here in nearly every state who should do the same. Then the Tea Party would have the right choices to chose from to beat more democrats.

  • eburke

    ommitted them in his/her desire to trash the Tea Party.

    Look, J, you and I have had enough of these discussions before to know that we’re on the same page. Candidates *do* matter. But I’ve had it today with all these sanctimonious twits that are coming on here today trashing the Tea Party because a grassroots movement that is less than 18 months old didn’t get every single candidate right.

    For the love of God, 18 months ago the GOP had been kicked to the side of the road by voters for being a party infested with elitist, big government types who were scarcely distinguishable in the average voter’s mind from the Dems.

    To sit here the day after the Tea Party movement breathed life into a moribound institution and carried it to a win of historic proportions and whine and cry about how this, that or the other candidate wasn’t who it should’ve been is nauseating and mind-numbing in its hubris….

    or just plain trollish.

  • JSobieski

    I think the criticisms being voiced relate to non-ideological attributes of the candidates.

    Toomey won in a blue state, so conservatism can be sold anywhere . . . with the right candidate.

  • eburke

    that my reply was to a different poster.

    But while we’re on the subject, I wouldn’t have posted anything had anyone on this thread first laid the blame where it really belongs – at the feet of a totally feckless NY state GOP who couldn’t recruit a single, decent candidate to run for some fairly vulnerable statewide races.

    Instead, everyone feels the need to direct their fire at a movement that is less than 18 months old and still running by the seat of their pants. I’m just tired of it.

    Did the tea party get behind some candidates that proved to have flaws? Of course they did. But we’ve got a bunch of people running around on this site today doing the work of the lib media by pointing out all the shortcomings of the Tea Party and blaming them that we didn’t win some races that we *might* have won otherwise, while utterly igonoring the fact that without this admittedly nascent, sometimes inexperienced and flawed movment, we wouldn’t have taken back the House and we wouldn’t have gotten anywhere within spitting distance of taking back the Senate.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Kyl isn’t beatable in a primary. There is no built in hostility to him and neither Shadegg or Flake would tilt at that windmill. McCain was beatable this year and they wouldn’t run.

  • eburke

    “The Tea Party is a political force that helped us retake the house last night. I think it will help us continue to expand house seats in 2012. But in statewide elections, you really do need to appeal to independents and moderates.”

  • http://www.practicalstate.com Bloggy Bayou

    http://www.practicalstate.com/?p=3139

    Cheers

  • glorybee

    there was no Senate race…but a bright candidate should be able to run rings around Stabenow. The bar is sadly, mercifully, low. As a precinct delegate (14 hours covering 2 precincts poll challenging yesterday, woo hoo) I am going to work to find someone excellent. The next 2 years will be CRUCIAL to restoring or crushing the conservative bona fides of the Michigan Republican Party.

  • mikefrey

    From the outside, Republicans and Conservatives look to the average non-informed or bacon-expecting voters as someone who wants to take stuff away from them.

    We have not made the case for why they are better served when we take stuff away….

    It is a very similar dynamic to the Laffer Curve – personal “income” would actually go up if the “tax rate” went down.

  • mikefrey

    From the outside, Republicans and Conservatives look to the average non-informed or bacon-expecting voters as someone who wants to take stuff away from them.

    We have not made the case for why they are better served when we take stuff away….

    It is a very similar dynamic to the Laffer Curve – personal “income” would actually go up if the “tax rate” went down.

  • glorybee

    Unfortunately, although Snyder won large, he has said that “now is not the time” to enact – or even discuss – right to work laws. Unions

  • glorybee

    entrenched in the fabric of existance here. It will be a lot of work & education to retrain the squishy Michigan GOP. We have a very short time to prove to the electorate why we deserve to remain in power. Let’s roll!

  • glorybee

    back as conservatives, wee have a chance to properly redistrict, especailly because MI will lose 2 or 3 seats. Rallying around quality candidates, such as Dr. Steele and not vote splitting (which got us Snyder who is very aquishy) will be key. We need to press for right-to-work & stand firm. Bouchard to go against Stabenow?

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    When you look at county-level results, it’s very telling. In some areas, the R/D split is very close for Senate and governor races. NY is a great example.

    I’m on my iPhone at the moment, so I can’t see actual numbers or the cool graphic on this page (going from memory and hopefully accurate), but look at the interactive WaPo map here:?http://news.yahoo.com/page/2010electionsdashboard

    You can see how other candidates (e.g. ?DioGuardi) rode Paladino’s mudflaps to ruin. And, in Delaware, you can see how O’Donnell won most of the state geographically, but Coons won his county by a significant enough margin to carry the state. Look at Illinois. Crimson except for two counties.

    Anyway, of course the candidate matters. I see the Tea Party as such a new movement that a few of its nominees weren’t very polished. That’s clear. To aesthete’s point, it’s pretty incredible that such a disparate, self-organizing set of groups can gain so much traction so quickly. It’s natural that a few kooks make it into the mix (A self-professed?tea party guy lost the primary for my district, and I’m pretty confident that?he needed psychiatric help, medicine, or both).

    What I hope is that as the Tea Party becomes a more prominent caucus within the GOP that it will develop candidates who are in favor of the right policies and willing to stand their ground but are more prepared for prime time. More Rubios, fewer Paladinos. I’m pretty sure that this will happen in the next cycle or two.

    A key to its success as a mainstream movement is its place within the Republican Party. That will help it, I think, to avoid the purity tests that keep groups like the Libertarian Party out in the permanent political hinterlands.

  • JSobieski

    I think tea parties are great. We just need to keep working–continuous improvement on all aspects of the game. If we want to repeal Obamacare in 2013, we need to add a lot more Senate seats in 2012.

  • aesthete

    That’s a shame. At least we picked up some good candidates in AZ-07 and AZ-08. Too bad clowns like Hayworth and O’Donnell sucked up funds that could have pushed them over the edge.

  • californiagold

    Even after the historic republican gains that were largely rooted in the tea part movement, some of you still don’t get it. While tea party candidates lost in Delaware, Nevada, and Colorado, non tea party republican candidates lost by big margins in California, Oregon, and other states. Instead of blaming the tea party for losing the senate, establishment republicans should get on their knees and pray that the tea party movement doesn’t give up on the republican party in 2012 – because if it does, the democrats will regain congress.

  • JSobieski

    The only question is how?

    I am 100% in favor of appealing to moderates/independents by upping the quality of the candidate.

    I am 100% again appealing to moderates/independents by transforming into RINOs.

    Reagan appealed to moderates and independents.

  • texas214

    The TEA Party message resonated, the candidates in many of the key races did not; see NV, DE, AK, & CO.

    Message aside you have to be able to run a credible campaign. Their weakness is magnified by the fact that this was the most favorable climate for them in history.

  • johnthebaptistmoore

    And anybody who believes otherwise doesn’t really understand Massachusetts politics. Massachusetts is finished, and I’m stuck here! What am I supposed to do? Massachusetts will become its own socialistic country, forever.

  • runner12

    I am not someone who just runs out and votes for the newest movement. I have been a conservative for all of my life and have voted that way. However, I am increasingly becoming a hybrid of conservatism and libertarianism. But I have been frustrated with some of the people who have gone to Washington with an R beside their name lately. They have been corrupted and have forgotten the people who sent them there. When the Tea Party came along I saw people who were united in purpose to limit government involvement in our daily lives, to lower taxes, to commit to balancing the budget and stop driving up the deficit, and to clean up Washington DC. That excites me. I feel that the Tea Party resuscitated the dying Republican Party. I am grateful for them. Again, sorry for the sarcasm. I want to keep things respectful and I did not do a good job with my previous comment.

  • runner12

    I am not someone who just runs out and votes for the newest movement. I have been a conservative for all of my life and have voted that way. However, I am increasingly becoming a hybrid of conservatism and libertarianism. But I have been frustrated with some of the people who have gone to Washington with an R beside their name lately. They have been corrupted and have forgotten the people who sent them there. When the Tea Party came along I saw people who were united in purpose to limit government involvement in our daily lives, to lower taxes, to commit to balancing the budget and stop driving up the deficit, and to clean up Washington DC. That excites me. I feel that the Tea Party resuscitated the dying Republican Party. I am grateful for them. Again, sorry for the sarcasm. I want to keep things respectful and I did not do a good job with my previous comment.

  • johnthebaptistmoore

    …in Massachusetts, when the Massachusetts GOP/conservatives keep losing almost everything, politically, very badly, over and over and over, each and every time there’s an election in Massachusetts. I’ve had it! What’s the point as a conservative stuck in this “crap of a state” voting over and over and over….only to see my side profoundly losing elections over and over and over…? ANSWER ME!!!!!!!

  • runner12

    You have made some excellent posts on this thread.

  • mikefrey

    We have to re-define what constitutes success for constituents, and therefore, give them a reason to vote Republican/conservative. Check my other comments over the last few days, especially today by going to my profile.

    Let me know what you think of my line of reasoning.

    Part of me wants to flee my messed up state, and the man part of me that si programmed to defend my neighbors says “$&@* NO, this needs to be fixed!”

    I think we have finally started to crack the code…

    Mike

  • mikefrey

    We have to re-define what constitutes success for constituents, and therefore, give them a reason to vote Republican/conservative. Check my other comments over the last few days, especially today by going to my profile.

    Let me know what you think of my line of reasoning.

    Part of me wants to flee my messed up state, and the man part of me that si programmed to defend my neighbors says “$&@* NO, this needs to be fixed!”

    I think we have finally started to crack the code…

    Mike

  • mikefrey

    it’s like turning an aircraft carrier….

    With an outboard trolling motor…

    In Jello….

    Sorry, I’ll stop now…

  • mikefrey

    it’s like turning an aircraft carrier….

    With an outboard trolling motor…

    In Jello….

    Sorry, I’ll stop now…

  • redtillimdead

    Norton would have won easily in CO, Lowden or Tark would have won in NV, and in WV, Raese was the best candidate who ran. If Capito had run, she would have won. So, Erick, I just want to say thanks for re-electing Harry Reid and Michael Bennett. Obama appreciates the help.

  • redtillimdead

    Its that Angle, Buck, and Miller were horrible messengers for conservatism. Rubio and Toomey on the other hand were very effective messengers of conservative values, as were Ron Johnson and Dino Rossi. Rossi/Johnson/Toomey/Rubio candidates are the types we need to look at in 2012, candidates who can unite Red State and the NRSC.

  • redtillimdead

    Kinda early for him to move up, but I also would not be surprised if it were him, since Pence is running for Gov.

  • victrola

    I consider myself a Goldwater/Fiscal conservative first, so if it means smaller government, less taxes, and more liberty, I’m all for that movement.

    What I consider though to be a major part of the Tea Party mantra is:

    “Vote out everyone, only put outsiders in with zero experience. Have rigid ideological purity test that can only be achieved by someone without a record to look at. Even if we torpedo a Republican candidate that can win and put up one that gets slaughtered, we have achieved victory because we made our point and the Establishment will have to take our suicidal ways seriously.”

    It’s that “wing” of the Tea Party movement I’m against. The goal of elections and political parties is to advance public policy goals. You can’t do that if you lose the election.

  • redtillimdead

    Know anything about University of Michigan Athletics Director and former Domino’s Pizza CEO David Brandon? He considered running for gov this year and against Stabenow in 2006. He seems like a solid candidate. Kinda reminds me of Ron Johnson in WI.

  • janis

    If you don’t like it there and see no progress, then move. There are 49 other states you can check out. Well, forget CA, but why don’t you try Texas or Tennessee? Both states have gone almost completely red in the past few years.

    Nobody can promise you that your state will become what you want it to be. But anyone can tell you that you always have a choice.

  • californiagold

    First of all, in Alaska the data shows Murkowski pulling heavily from the democrat candidate, not so much from Miller. Miller is a war veteran and Yale law school graduate. If he isn’t a qualified candidate, who is ? Had Murkowski done the honorable thing and accepted defeat in the primary, Miller would have won the general election without any trouble and we wouldn’t be having this discussion.,

    In Colorado, Buck lost by a very small margin, and there is no evidence that any other republican would have done much better. Yes, he did make a few verbal gaffs, but so have many establishment republicans this year such as Meg Whitman, etc…Blame Buck for making a few mistakes if you want, but don’t blame the tea party movement for his verbal gaffs.

    In Nevada the situation is entirely different. I’m not sure that any of the republican candidates that lost in the primaries could have defeated Harry Reid. Danny Tarkanian was the establishment choice, but he had baggage of his own and thats one reason why Angle defeated him. By most accounts, Angle won the debate between her and Reid, and polls showed her winning the election. Reid’s union machine won that race for him, and it wouldn’t have mattered who was on the republican ticket because of the machine and vote “irregularities” that went on.

  • redtillimdead

    He’s more popular in MA than Kerrey or Obama. The Dem primary will be late and nasty, and Brown will have a huge $$$ edge over whoever emerges. I actually think AZ (if Giffords runs) is a bigger Dem pick up opportunity than MA.

  • geemen73

    The Northeast GOP stinks, NY,NJ, MASS, they are all run by, you guessed it the establishment types, who when ever they do get control of state senate or governorship, they screw it up and the biggest reason why they screw it up is because they act like Upper east side shmucks. They always have someone in line to run for a position because its there turn, they must have made large donations or put up a bunch of yard signs during election time. They never stand for anything, the nepotism is a huge turnoff, they basically act like liberals. If they stood for something and stood by it and actually carried out their mission, they would get elected and re elected. They never do any good recruiting for younger articulate candidates, instead they throw up the same old guys who get crushed all the time. I grew up in NY so I know how the GOP works up there. I live in New jersey and the GOP here is starting to get it. We have two crappy senators that could be easily taken out, but I dont see any other Cris Christies around so far in the NJ GOP. But the NY GOP is clueless it needs to be burnt down and built up again, until someone has the courage to do it, things wont change.

  • Martin Knight

    Sharron Angle turned out to be a better candidate than I expected but she was still the weakest general election candidate of the three running in the Primary. Furthermore for far too long, Harry Reid had free rein to further tarnish her image as an “extremist” – which really really works to move swing voters – before she swung in with her own ads.

    I think limiting the debates to just one may have also been a Reid tactic to prevent the people of NV from seeing that the extremist well nigh insane woman Reid and his Presstitute pals have been decrying was anything but.

    Add the large numbers of high profile Republicans (including the Mayor of Reno, a forrmer RNC Chairman, the NV House GOP Leader, etc) who “crossed the aisle” to endorse Reid and …

    … can’t say I’m too surprised. I think in swinging behind Angle – who was a late entrant into the race – by the Tea Party made the perfect but harder sell an enemy of the very good and much easier sell.

  • californiagold

    One final thought – for all of you who are concerned about republicans not getting the senate yesterday, you shouldn’t be. Even with 47 seats, the republicans can stop anything they want. But more importantly, the House controls the agenda now. And as long as the economy continues to stink, Obama and Harry Reid will get the blame.

    The big enchilada is 2012. Democrats will have many seats in competitive states they will be forced to defend. Republicans will have an opportunity to take the senate once again. The key will be for the tea party to keep the pressure on, and not to give in. This isn’t a sprint, it’s a marathon.

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    …of micro-targeting truly undecided voters and getting out the right votes. He is not, using any meaningful definition of the phrase, a has-been.

    Read Courage and Consequence. It’s not?Dostoevsky, but it’s not meant to be. Well worth the time and money.

  • eburke

    actually learning what the Tea Party is really all about rather than just projecting some MFM meme onto the men and women who identify themselves as belonging to that nebulous group called Tea Partiers.

  • cordpt

    and his “fighting the GOP is just as important as fighting Obama” mantra. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

    Still, it was obvious was trying to do: creating a firewall between O’Donnell and the candidates he was supporting, especially Angle, Paul, Buck. Trying to make it difficult for the press to play the

    Heck, he was doing exactly what Barbour did with Maes in Colorado.

    And one need to be in absolute denial or politically mad to not understand that O’Donnell probably cost us another races. As I said many times before the primaries, the best reason to nominate Castle was to prevent O’Donnell from becoming the poster child for Tea Party candidates. Which was exactly what happened – and it wasn’t a good thing.

  • eburke

    “everyone”, there are no small number of comments on this thread that are taking 20/20 hindsight shots at the Tea Party while recognizing none of the energy and passion they provided that made this historic win possible.

    And fwiw, I don’t consider the comment that “the Tea Party has egg all over its face”, among numerous other comments along the same line, as being ‘nuanced’.

    YMMV

  • eburke

    “everyone”, there are no small number of comments on this thread that are taking 20/20 hindsight shots at the Tea Party while recognizing none of the energy and passion they provided that made this historic win possible.

    And fwiw, I don’t consider the comment that “the Tea Party has egg all over its face”, among numerous other comments along the same line, as being ‘nuanced’.

    YMMV

  • Robert Allen Leeper

    and the second was a correction.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    JDs feet. McCain did toss some help to local candidates for the general, can you imagine the result if he’d given Ruth and Jesse a couple of million each instead of pissing it away burying JD? Arrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhh.

  • http://lheal.amplify.com Socrates

    your points are much easier to accept than they would have been in the heat of battle two days ago.

    One of the forces not fully credited for the 2010 results is Mark Levin. He was O’Donnell, Angle, and Joe Miller’s champion in their primaries.

    I’m a huge Levin fan, though I do break with him at times.

  • texasgalt

    you’d think we had a bad night. It was a great night.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    I’m sorry, you’re new here. I’ve been here for some time now. I’ll try it again using smaller words.

    The Tea Party got some stuff right. The Tea Party got some stuff wrong. Those that are smart will work to eliminate the wrong stuff. Those that aren’t, well, they’ll be like you!

    I do blame the Tea Party here for the loss of Gov. and Senate, and it had nothing to do with the unions. Unions aren’t really a factor in Colorado.

  • victrola

    I consider myself part of Tea Party when it comes to fiscal issues, but I don’t agree with their electoral tactics this cycle.

  • cordpt

    She allowed them to picture her as a bigot because of her “let me stay in a bunker the entire campaign” strategy. She couldn’t fight back.

    And the only reason she pursued that strategy was because she was an intrinsically weak candidate. I mean, who the heck seriously believes in chain e-mails about the Sharia Law in Michigan? I’d hide her too.

    You can “talk through Fox” if your goal is to win Republican primaries. In competitive races in general elections, it’s a losing strategy.

  • Doc Holliday

    but she will not run again, ever. BTW, there comes a time when people of dark complexion will need to realize they are not born to vote Democrat based on prevalence of pigmentation or the love of certain foods. There is only so much the Republicans can do before it becomes self defeating pandering.

    At some point people need to grow up and take pride in their individuality. Our view is to support the individual, if people want to be some generic mass, then they are the ones that need to change, not us.

  • Remington_Steele
  • eburke

    The ones that vaulted Marco Rubio into national prominence?

    The ones that pushed Pat Toomey, Nikki Haley, Paul LePage, Ron Johnson, Rand Paul, Mike Lee and probably 40+ Tea Party candidates over the finish line?

    Or do you disagree with the millions of small donations that they gave to candidates successful candidates across the cuontry.

    Or maybe it’s the thousands of volunteer hours that they put in making GOTV calls, knocking on doors, stuffing mailers and door hanging?

    Of course, then there’s that awful tactic they had of actually forcing the GOP to grow a pair after Obama’s win left them whining and wimpering by the side of the road, too scared of their own shadow to utter even a whimper against his agenda.

    For someone who’s only been here for slightly over 2 weeks, you seem to have developed a nasty habit of adopting a “I’m the smartest guy in the room” attitude towards those not as benighted as you.

    I’m just sayin’….

  • acat

    Weight the votes based on their relative anti-conservativeness…

    The problem is filtering out the guys who, like McCain, tend to veer in non-election years. The “lifetime” number is as useless for tracking them as their campaign promises.

    The better approach may be to look at a consistency across time instead of the lifetime average… maybe a “waffle” number?

    Two hypothetical house candidates…
    (because the numbers are simpler)

    Candidate X was at 88%, 87%, 89%, 87% in the last 4 years.
    (candidate X is from a purple urban state and dislikes guns)

    Candidate Y was at 78%, 97%, 79%, 97% in the last 4 years.
    (candidate Y goes far right in election years…)

    Candidate X “waffles” 2-3 points.
    Candidate Y “waffles” 20+ points.

    Even if their lifetime averages are similar, the waffle number gives a better picture of what we the voter are buying.

    Mew

  • acat

    In *either* slot ought to be interesting for McCain…

    Far as I can recall, she has been nothing but nice to him .. but she was inside (if somewhat cocooned) his POTUS run.

    Could be the best way to get McCain to quit spitting in the direction of the White House…

    Mew

  • colonelfannin

    Joe Miller was a deeply flawed candidate. If someone ever suggests that someone might have hacked into his computer and planted kiddie porn, you can take it to the bank he is preemptively creating an alibi. And if you go to West Point and have a five year commitment and get out after 3 years, you may have a bronze star for being there in Desert Storm but you probably also have a track record that suggests the Army shouldn’t bother to keep you. They don’t let the good ones out of their 5 year commitment from West Point. And then if you employ goons to lock up the kinds of people who ask embarrassing questions (like Tea Party people) you definitely have a screw loose. Lisa Murkowski deserved to get beat in the primary and deserved to win in the general because she won the old fashioned way – she earned it. She was honest that she had blown it and then she became the insurgency candidate and Alaskans, not Erick Erickson and the Red State crowd but folks who love their state supported her and gave her an historic write in victory. I think Lisa was chastened and Joe Miller was emboldened and she seemed more likable every day and he seemed less likable. And in the end, Alaskans made this choice. Let’s give them some credit.

  • acat

    Within a week we’ll know for sure, but…

    My gut says “moderates”, i.e. the same group who kept getting themselves banned before the election by going off on how their pet candidates didn’t make it out of the primary, or some hypothetical wonder-candidate didn’t show up.

    Take a close look at O’Donnell’s campaign. Show me the support she received from the state party. That’s where the problems were.

    Mew

  • acat

    Couldn’t possibly be all the money the Dems threw into the race.
    Couldn’t have anything to do with “the blueprint”.
    Has to be those pesky Tea Party folks.
    Sure. Let’s shred the GOP just when we have a majority in the house and a more conservative minority in the Senate.

    Great idea there.

    Mew

  • momofthecastle

    n/t

  • aesthete

    That measured the weighted statistical dispersion would be the beginnings to such a measure. It would, however, be problematic to score certain aspects of conservatism: while economic conservatism is relatively easy (any vote which expands government would be a negative value proportional to said expansion, decreasing government would be proportionally positive), social conservatism is more difficult to define, and often comes in conflict with economic conservatism. Moreover, beyond gay marriage, abortion, and possibly pornography, there are no consistently social conservative issues: there’s a tremendous amount of rancor concerning media censorship and standards, gambling, alcohol, and other subjects within social conservative ranks, much less within conservatism as a whole. The conservatism of foreign is impossible to computate: a straightforward measure where increasing military spending is the proxy would not work for obvious reasons, and (particularly with the advent of neo-conservatism and a general embrace of “globalism”) we cannot necessarily measure it based on utility to America, if such a measure were even possible. Such issues make it difficult for me to take ACU’s measures seriously: the scores are simply an arbitrary assigning of points to various policies.

  • nepanyrush

    Listening to Fox News tonight, I got 99% confidence that Pawlenty will be a candidate, as he gave reasons he should be elected to the Presidency, and although Palin remained non-committal,her answers, such as saying she would discuss it with her family, gave me 95% confidence that she also will run.

  • momofthecastle

    be elected positions? If not, you have just shot yourself in the foot: the Democratic liberals in power will decide who is on that Commission.

  • meg_m

    you may not see anything wrong with Bob Corker but I assure you we can do much better in TN. I will agree that we may have to grant a little leeway on the conservative bonafides for candidates in the blue/purple states and we should definitely do a better job at vetting said candidates. However, this argument does not come into play in Bob Corker’s case. Tennessee is a red state, even more so after last night’s election results. We should get the “purest” conservative we can out of the red states to counterbalance the concessions we may have to make in the blue/purple states. Just my two cents.

  • texasgalt

    is complete nonsense.

    Lisa was chastened? Lisa earned it? She became the insurgency candidate?

    The tea party doesn’t need saving but YOU are. . . beyond redemption.

  • texasgalt

    is complete nonsense.

    Lisa was chastened? Lisa earned it? She became the insurgency candidate?

    The tea party doesn’t need saving but YOU are. . . beyond redemption.

  • Jack_Savage

    First of all, I think we need to look at the mindset of an average voter regarding House races vs Senate races. Vote for the wrong guy in a House race and you can correct the mistake in two years. Screw up in a Senate race, and you may be dead before the next time the person is up for election. Voters seem to want a Senator who could pass as a Vice President.

    O’Donnell was seen as young and a little ditzy to those with no knowledge of her, and her early interviews truly hurt her. I believe she was not taken seriously by voters. These interviews, as well as her financial troubles also cast doubt on her judgment. Angle was viewed as an old, unattractive battle axe, but also revealed that Nevada is run by the SEIU. More of a flawed state than a flawed candidate.

    Buck simply seemed clueless in every sense, every time he opened his mouth. He simply was not ready for prime time. You can be a newcomer, like Johnson in WI, and still come off as someone in control of yourself and the facts. Miller allowed himself and the Tea Party who helped him win be portrayed as outsiders in the parochial backwash that is Alaska. That, and an entrenched, corrupt, good ol’ boy GOP establishment that keeps score and evens it worked against him.

    McMahon benefited from her WWE money, but there was not a chance in hell Connecticut voters were going to be represented by the GOP version of Jerry Springer. The WWE is just embarrassing, even to a southerner like me.

    There is no doubt in my mind that the enthusiasm of the tea party supporters overreached in the GOP candidates in the Senate races, but there is no doubt they carried the day in the House. This reflects the difference in the two bodies, and we need to understand that going forward.

    Will I take a loss in DE to get rid of Castle and fire a damn close shot over the bows of remaining RINOS? Yep. But we need to refine our support to include at least some modicum of electability. I would revise Rush’s rule to say “vote for the most conservative, most electable candidate in the primary”. It all comes down to candidates in the long run.

  • calgacus

    McCain fooled the boobs in Arizona. However, one good thing is that Hayworth kept McCain from supporting illegal invasion and cap + trade in 2009-2010. If McCain had supported these I think it is very possible they would have passed.

  • calgacus

    O’ Donnell was genuinely a bit kooky and was running in a LEFT WING state. If anyone had any doubt she was going to get crushed you do not know Delaware. Angle got liquidated by tons of money in a state that is increasingly moving to the left. Simply put Angle and O’Donnell were portrayed (accurately) as not being very intelligent, and they were not running in favorable states. Buck lost a very close race- less than 1%. There is no simple explanation. He was doing as well as Jane Norton in the polls. He was a good candidate. Miller got smeared right at the end, but I think he was a good candidate. He lost for a very simple reason- Murkowski was the incumbent, was fairly popular w/ the public writ large, barely lost the primary, and the Democrat got like 24% of the vote.

  • calgacus

    was Christine O’ Donnell. She clearly never should have been a nominee. However, other than that I think the Tea Party did quite well. Sure we lost Nevada and Colorado, but you rarely win them all anyway.

  • IJB

    …And, AFAICT, no *appeal* to whatever they come up with either.

    All these people around here are going to be singing a different tune when AFSCME, through this “Commission”, draws the new district lines in CA, and there’s nothing we can do about – we’ll be lucky to have a couple of House seats and half a dozen Sate Assembly seats left when they get done…

  • calgacus

    I have heard for almost a decade now that ‘hispanics’ are natural Republicans. I see no evidence for this in the governments south of the Rio Grande or in the Carribbean. The fact of the matter is that immigration will be the end of the GOP- the serious party of Coolidge, Taft, Goldwater and Reagan.

  • californiagold

    Sue Lowden was another primary candidate that had establishment support, including the endorsement of Rush Limbaugh. But Lowden was easily defeated by Angle in the primary. Lowden pulled only 26% of the primary vote to Angle’s 40%. If Lowden was unable to defeat Angle, the argument that Lowden could defeat Reid isn’t very compelling.

    None of that matters now anyway, the voters of Nevada made their decision in the primary and they wanted Angle.

  • acat

    Anything that doesn’t have a clear proxy, like dollars, is kinda hard to score.

    The “waffle number” would at least give an idea of how consistent the conservatism of a given candidate is, improving an otherwise arbitrary metric, but your overall is right.

    I’ll take it a step further – the candidates, especially in the Senate, do a lot more weaseling before the laws are brought to the floor – it’s quite impossible to measure their “conservatism” in that role .. and makes a faux-conservative far more devastating …

    Mew

  • cactusjack

    personal experience about the South Texas Tejanos having lived and worked in that part of the State for awhile. They usually vote 30-40% Republican in presidential elections and that trended even higher this last one. Speaking in gross generalities but here goes: they as a group in general were deeply aggrieved the Dems nominated 0 instead of Hillary and it is not healed over- another rift the Repubs need to figure out how to capitalize upon. They are family oriented, socially conservative including as to abortion issue. They are an incredibly patriotic group and there are multiple state highways in South Texas named after Medal of Honor winners. Should a Rubio run for Pres, the entire Hispanic group int West & Southwest might vote 40-50% for him. That would be enough to create a wave running thru the Electoral College in several states, espeically Western and Southwestern. They are certainly worth the study of Repub strategists and pollsters. And while they’re at it maybe they can figure out why this particular sub group (Tejanas) produces such beautiful women (Eva Longoria, Demi Lovato, Selena Gomez, etc.)!

  • treeofliberty

    Every time I hear the man speak he sounds like a far left radical from San Francisco than a midwesterner. Basically a somewhat more polished version of Alan Grayson or Dennis Kucinich. Don’t see why we can’t take this seat.

    But yea I easily see 6-8 EASY pick ups with a strong conservative candidate, and the big difference from this cycle will be we will be going into much friendlier territory to get those seats than deep blue California, Connecticut or Washington.

  • Aurelian

    Unless he has changed his tune in the last few years, Flake is worthless (i.e. liberal) on immigration just like McCain is/used to be.

  • Aurelian

    Unless he’s changed his views in the last few years, Flake is leftwing on immigration, just like McCain and the Bushes.

    At least Kyl tried to end extended-family reunification (the bulk of pro-Democrat legal immigration) during the amnesty debates.

  • http://www.thehartlinegroup.com Wes

    As a Tennessean (a moderate one), I am very big fan of Corker. Lest the nation forget, Corker was the sole freshman GOP Senator elected in 2006 during the beginning of the Pelosi reign. His time in the Senate has been wrought with disdain from both sides of the aisle, and yet many Conservatives and Republicans in Tennessee appreciate his hard work.

    Corker, though hated he may be among the Tea Party across the nation, is a well respected Senator and Tennessee is lucky to have both he and Alexander in office. If nothing else, the Deleware Senate race should be a red flag for Conservatives across the USA. Just because the 38% that identify as GOP like the candidate, that is no guarantee that the 13% you need to WIN will swing your way.

    Before you ask for a Tea Party candidate in TN, let’s review their successes here.

    NONE of them won. You could make a case for Black, Fincher and DesJarlais being Tea Party candidates (TPC), but none of them come close to the Angle/O’Donnell level. Lt. Gov Ramsey lost his Gubernatorial bid as a TPC. In nearly every Congressional race, the TPC lost badly.

    Although many across the country dislike Corker in 2012, better Corker than Harold Ford, Phil Bredesen, Lincoln Davis, Jim Cooper, etc. Conservative’s keep their eyes on the prize: GOP control of the Legislative and Executive branches with no strategic losses. TN could be one of those. The state will be considered a GOP stronghold for the POTUS election; thus you might have some diminished vote. The last thing Conservatives need is the loss of a seat because they nominate a candidate that simply cannot drive the center to vote for a TPC.

    Just something to consider.

  • http://lheal.amplify.com Socrates

    Well, not exactly that. The point of saying that ads did not mention the party is that mentioning the party would help so much with the ground game.

    “We’re sending people around to talk; these are volunteers who believe in our message and would like to get your opininion.” Or somesuch.

  • treeofliberty

    just have to (at the very least) NOT piss them off enough to vote against you in droves a la Angle.

    IMO, there is no reason an intelligent, articulate conservative candidate (see again Marco Rubio) cannot do reasonably well with Latinos and win 30-40% of the vote.

    Furthermore I believe that Republicans have done a pretty terrible job at appealing to Latinos. Too reluctant to use Spanish language ads and too afraid to go after the social conservative issues. Many white liberals would be absolutely shocked to have a discussion with the average Hispanic family about say, abortion on demand, religion, gay marriage, or feminism (which most latinos, male and female really don’t get at all)

    Well anyhow this is for a larger discussion: my point wasn’t for Angle to “win” the latino vote, I admit that’s a stretch but simply saying that with someone as unpopular as Reid and the Nevada economy in the toilet there was simply no need to piss them off so they vote against you in droves… and if possible even go on the offensive and talk the economy and unemployment using Spanish language ads.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    McCain didn’t – and hasn’t for a long time – “fooled” anybody in Arizona. Certainly not the conservatives in the state. The problem this year was that JD Hayworth was – and is and will forever be – a complete buffoon, a jerk and in reality, less conservative than McCain on critical financial issues.

    JD had statewide name recognition as high as McCain and the bottom line is that after 12 years chasing FoxNews cameras and accomplishing NOTHING in the House, followed by a couple of years of very mediocre local radio talk show exposure, Arizona voters personally hate the guy. McCain spent a lot of money to bury him, but in reality he didn’t have to spend a nickle. JD is his own worst enemy. “Free Money” ring a bell?

    McCain took the stances he took because he’s a contrarian. JD had zero effect on anything he’s done for the past two years.

  • californiagold

    When Rand Paul announced he would run for senate, I read much of the same thoughts about how he couldn’t win because he was too extreme – and that nominating him would throw the race to the democrats.

    Guess what ? Those people were wrong.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Around here I was one of the more vocal opponents of Paul in the primary and that sure wasn’t my argument. :)

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    was a really late start. I’m guessing that had she started earlier she’d have melted down in the primary and Lowden or Tark would have won.

    So much for Wednesday evening quarterbacking.

  • kchand

    I’ve lived in AZ for over 40 yrs and there is NO stomach to take on Jon Kyl … and no need. However, I would LOVE to have a Senator Shadegg, but he would NEVER run against Kyl. That’s just not John’s style. If so, he would have gone after a much more vulnerable McCain this year.

    Kyl is a very decent and honorable and respected man that I agree with most of the time. If not, he explains his positions very well. I can think of NO one that is able & willing to run against Kyl in 2012. I was with him and Dick Cheney when they were here in 2006 and I’m sure I will be with him in 2012.

    There are a myriad of places where time and money would be MUCH better spent. You mentioned two in AZ which I completely agree with. McClung & Kelly are young and excellent candidates. They can do what David Schweikert just did.

  • kchand

    Put him on the Appropriations Committee. Then watch the fireworks.

  • itrytobenice

    He is a lot like Kit Bond. Republican on the outside, but when there are votes that would make the Senate more conservative, honest and transparent, he’s an insider porker all the way.

  • StandardCandle

    I’ve been there on a cruise once…but just because Murkowski pulled off a write in… doesn’t mean that those who voted for Joe Miller, let alone Joe Miller himself aren’t “good alaskans that love their state” either…

    I’m not sure what makes me more sad, the fact that Joe Miller won’t get the chance to prove that Conservatives/TEA party backed candidates aren’t all that fringe, or that there’s 80,000+ Knuckleheads and Jackwagons aren’t willing to give up the earmarks that Murkowski brings to Alaska, because they think it does something for the local economy…

    what a trollish thing to say…

  • meg_m

    …to have Senator Corker representing you. Personally, I held my nose whilst casting my vote given the lack of a better alternative. Senator Corker began to lose my respect before he ever rode into DC. I’ve searched for a video of his victory speech in 2006 and I could only find a low-res one on C-SPAN http://www.c-span.org/rss/video.asp?MediaID=28576. It is a bit difficult to see in this video but at the end of his speech, he went through his litany of thanks, and turned to walk of stage. Someone behind him whispered in his ear and he came back to the mic to say God Bless America and Tennessee. Honestly, I would have felt better if he would have omitted it altogether rather than walking back to the mic after someone had to tell him to include it. That certainly isn’t a reason to discount him but his squish go along to get along character in DC has done nothing to regain my trust.
    O’Donnell and Angle were flawed candidates but they are not indicative of tea party candidates at large. Perhaps, they could not carry TN but a Rubio-like or Paulesque candidate would have no problem carrying the state. I am temporarily living out of state at the moment, thanks to this awful economy, so I didn’t keep up with all of the elections back home in TN. From what I did read it seems like the governor’s race had several candidates that split the conservative vote during the primary thereby giving Haslam the nomination. I wonder if this was the case in the congressional races you claimed the tp candidates lost in as well. Tennessee is not CT, NV, or anything close to resembling a blue state. A well-vetted conservative could win the senate primary and the general if we do not field several different candidates that split the conservative vote. I will be back in TN sometime next year, so you go ahead and support Senator Corker, and I’ll be searching for a better choice in 2012.

  • Finrod

    Daniels’ term as governor will be up in 2012, so moving on to Senator would be a logical move, as long as he’s not set on running for President. Though, if Lugar’s not retiring, Daniels might not want to run against him, since he interned under Lugar when he was mayor of Indianapolis and was Lugar’s Chief of Staff, among other roles like managing his campaigns. Going head-to-head against him might be a bridge too far, I dunno.

  • KeepOhioRed

    If so, Erick needs to word his posts more carefully. It was all over Twitter that Erick wants to target Scott Brown in 2012.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Just as much as they should take credit where they succeeded.

  • acat

    because, as Erick points out here: http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/11/04/recriminations/ the attacks against Ken Buck started with the Norton campaign… and the Buck campaign did not get the help from D.C. that would normally have been available.

    So, sure, blame the tea party if you like, but be aware that there’s plenty left over for the NRSC, RNC, and whoever encouraged Norton to try for Senate instead of Governor in the first place.

    Mew

  • acat

    If even a fraction of what McLame spent “defending” himself had made it into Kelly or Mcclung’s hands …

    Ugh.

    Mew

  • acat

    When Erick kept pointing out the failures of the Repubs, and how they always had the sticky, moderate fingerprints on ‘em?

    “November the congress, December the party” ring a bell?

    This is not the time to let those with their hands on the levers of power try to recruit (or, if you prefer, “co-opt”) those we’ve worked so hard to elect.

    Mew

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Congress “a chance”. Now is the time to put Congress on-notice. We’re recruiting conservatives and raising money starting today to run against you if even THINK of not cutting spending in actual dollars and going to war against Obama.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Never mind all the slanderous things that were said about her that were untrue, but then at the time it was just “politics”.

    Buck was an inferior candidate, plain and simple. Several people tried to warn about things the Dems were going to trot out. The attacks were crap, but they used his own words against him in the end. It had nothing to do with Norton.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    I wasn’t blaming the Tea Party for Buck losing, btw. He did that all on his own. The Tea Party screwed up here in the Gov. race. So did the establishment GOP. There’s plenty of blame to go around for everyone in that race.

  • howardbeale

    The commission is to be made up of 20 republicans, 20 democrats and 20 not affiliated with either party. You had to submit an application earlier this year. More info on it at http://www.wedrawthelines.ca.gov/

  • acat

    I don’t see how that’s anyone’s fault but Norton’s.

    I don’t see how Norton deciding to shoot for the Senate instead of the Governors’ Mansion is anyone’s fault but Norton and the Establishment GOP.

    Yes, the “insurgent Tea Partiers” are an obvious target – they dared to object to Norton as Senator, and their candidate for Governor was kinda pathetic, but your post above seemed very one-sided.

    Mew

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Against Norton, that is. I guess it’s ok if you do it, but not if anyone else does. I stated through the entire primary I wasn’t happy with either one, and the negative junk from both sides was a big reason why. I warned it would come back to bite us, and sure enough it did.

    I was writing about the NRSC involvement in Colorado before anyone outside even knew about it. I was writing about the Establishment GOP forcing Josh Penry out of the Gov. race before you people in other states even knew what was going on.

    If you’re fine with the Tea Party’s scorched earth policy then go ahead with it. I’m not, and I’m saying something about it. If they don’t learn from their mistakes, they’ll just repeat them again, just like the NRSC and establishment GOP doesn’t seem to learn from theirs. In the end, if nobody learns we’ll keep electing democrats. It’s not really what I’m interested in doing.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    My precinct has 2,120 registered voters. Here’s the breakout by party:

    Rep.: 852

    Dem: 673

    Libertarian: 11

    Green: 3

    Independent/Party Not Declared: 581

    Total: 2,120

    I did a quick analysis of my precinct in terms of overall voter turnout for our LD 17 state senate candidate Wendy Rogers. The good news: Wendy won the precinct by ten votes. The bad news: Despite there being 852 registered Republicans and 581 registered independents/PNDs, Wendy only garnered 505 votes. And turnout in the precinct was only 48.5 per cent. Overall, she lost 50 per cent to 45 per cent

    We have 8 PCs for the 8 PC slots. I posted in another thread how I organized the PCs to contact all of the Republican voters who failed to vote in 2008 and then, later, to “chase” those early voters who had not yet cast their early ballots (David Schweikert’s campaign got us that information).

    So, we succeed in getting a whopping 505 votes for Wendy despite having 852 Republicans who could have voted.

    It gets worse. Strangely enough, while Wendy won in our precinct, David Schweikert lost. And, ten more voters cast votes in the Schweikert – Harry Mitchell race than in the Wendy Rogers state senate race. (Schweikert beat Mitchell.)

    Here are the numbers:

    Schweikert: 466

    Mitchell: 531

    Libertarian: 43

    Write-in: 1

    Total ballots cast: 1,041

    So, again, despite having 852 registered Republicans, Schweikert only got 466 votes.

    My next project is to have me and the other seven PCs in the precinct contact the Republicans who did not vote in this election and ask them why.

    The problem is, I suspect some of the other seven PCs are “PCs in name only” — they enjoy the status of being a PC but are always “too busy” to actually do anything. I suspect that they never made the contacts to the 2008 “non-voters” nor did they actually “chase” the early ballot voters. Hence, Schweikert only got 466 votes and Wendy only got 505 votes.

    And, one-third of the precincts in my legislative district still are without even one precinct committeeman and the legislative district only has 112 of its 262 precinct committeeman slots filled. (In Arizona, we have one precinct committeeman slot for every 125 registered Republican voters in a precinct.)

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

    Remember, there?s one PC slot available for every 125 registered Republicans in a precinct. So, we went into this with a full slate of PCs.

    Nonetheless, we only got Wendy 505 votes from among the following (but, she won the precinct with 505 votes ? Shapira got 495 votes, the other two candidates and a write-in garnered a total of 30 votes for a total of 1,030 cast).

    The percentage of registered voters who voted in the precinct was 48.5 per cent (1,030 ballots cast for 2,120 registrants).

  • acat

    Yes, the Tea Party was wrong in some areas. They’re not an organized political party, though – the RNC got to decide how to handle ‘em .. and IMO, blew it. Huge.

    I fail to see a ‘scorched earth’ policy on the part of the Tea Partiers – I see it a lot more on the part of the NRSC and Establishment GOP.

    We all have to find ways to work together in 2012. It starts by being honest about the failures of our “favourites”.

    Mew

  • calgacus

    Jeff Flake is apparently making a go for the Aprops committee- that would really send a message.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/252420/flake-appropriations-stephen-spruiell

  • Martin Knight
  • Marcus_Traianus

    The NY Party leadership consists of back room dealing, cigar smoking, self righteous, inbred dinosaurs.

    My point was that rushing in without properly screening the candidate hurt our chances and will delay a fundamental restructuring of the State Party, since now these morons are scapegoating the Tea Party for their (the Party’s) failure.

    Meanwhile Democrats are pulling their chameleon act and the state is hurtling towards insolvency or another hooker scandal.

    If the Tea Party wants to back a candidate they need to start now and be more savvy and inclusive about it. Based on recent Democrat history it shouldn’t be that long before we have an opening in Albany.

  • http://www.rightklik.net rightklik
  • mikerazar

    The question asked was which of them deserved to be deposed.

  • Lloyd Davis

    we would’ve won what we did without them?

    The establishment is starting a fight they will not win. They will never learn.
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    ?Never say sorry – it?s a sign of weakness?
    John Wayne

  • Lloyd Davis

    What do you want to do, drive them out of the GOP? Well that’s a great recipe for success!! Can you say minority party?

    We may not have won everything this time but how about turning your attention to the next stage of the fight instead of pointing fingers and blaming the people who did the heavy lifting to get us what we did win. You’ve proven you can help tear down a candidate you don’t agree with, how about helping build the next candidate up?
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    ?Never say sorry – it?s a sign of weakness?
    John Wayne

  • Lloyd Davis

    Look at it this way, they will know we are still watching and they had better not screw up. The people are not going back to sleep.
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    ?Never say sorry – it?s a sign of weakness?
    John Wayne

  • loop_block

    If Utah has someone better than Orin Hatch running for US Senate, I would vote for them, If not, Hatch would get my vote. While he has voted for some things I would not have, he has always responded to letters and person contact re: voting for or against bills.

    Hatch has gone out of his way to meet with and listen to local Utah Tea Party and 9-12 leaders for a year. He has been willing to change votes where suggested and is actually trying to follow through with recommendations.

    Speak to Tea Party people in Utah like David Kirkham and Susan Southwick before “targeting” Hatch. If Jason Chaffetz does decide against Hatch to run, I would vote for Chaffetz, but we shouldn’t have to give up one of the better US Representatives to “knock off Hatch”, unless Chaffetz wants to move to the US Senate.

  • gumbi5

    If you want a polished politician there are Democrats and Republicans to vote for… but the tea party candidates were overwhelmingly just folks like us… warts and all.

    We need to build on our success, not begin to act like the very elitist politicians that populate both party’s by blaming candidates who took on the establishment politicians and didn’t make it – leave that to the Republicans and Democrats.

  • Praying

    It may really be time to reinstate party registration in Tennessee. Many dims voted for Haslam b/c they wanted the most liberal of the likely to win candidates. I’ve heard that Marsha Blackburn may run for Alexander’s seat in 2014, as he’s likely not to seek re-election (thank goodness) but she would have a good chance of beating Corker in a primary…

  • russford

    sorry I’m very late to this thread but; can you Erick or others tell me what, in your view, is wrong with Corker as a Senator? Ok, maybe he’s not a Tea Partier, but he seems like a man we can work with and perhaps, over time develop him into jr. DeMint……..?
    I’m not aware of any liberal leanings in Corker so why the negativity on him?
    I’ve always liked Corker’s visits to CNBC as a stock market junkie so what gives?
    TIA