The Dumb Things I Heard Last Night a/k/a Charles Krauthammer Disappointed Me Last Night


There are a few dumb things I heard last night that need to be put down quickly.

First and foremost was a silly discussion across several news networks that the race for GOP Conference Chair in the House between Jeb Hensarling and Michelle Bachmann was a race between the tea party and the establishment.

To say that Michelle Bachmann is of the tea party and Jeb Hensarling is not is to say that Minnesota is a state and Texas is not.

It is absolute and utter nonsense. This contest is not in the least bit a race between the tea party and the establishment and the only people who think it is are the people who’ve sat inside Washington, D.C. all year licking their chops waiting for a Republican Civil War.

This. Is. Not. It.

This is a matter of who would be the best face for the GOP to explain their positions to those not of the GOP and Tea Party. It is also a matter of showing the GOP is serious about cutting spending. That is why Jeb Hensarling will probably get it.

We all know and love Michelle Bachmann, but while she is one of the best at firing up the base, she is not necessarily the best at explaining GOP policy to a media typically hostile to the GOP.

The other dumb thing I heard last night was from Charles Krauthammer. God bless him, I like Charles, but this was just dumb.

Krauthammer last night on Fox News was venting about Jim DeMint and explaining that the future of the GOP was Marco Rubio, not Jim DeMint. He was scornful and dismissive of DeMint.

The problem, of course, is that but for Jim DeMint there would be no Marco Rubio. It was DeMint standing up and fighting the NRSC on Marco Rubio’s behalf that got Marco Rubio elected.

Ever the myopic sage of conventional wisdom on inside baseball matters, here is what Charles Krauthammer said on May 12, 2009:

BAIER: There is the Republican race for Senate, the seat of retiring Senator Mel Martinez in Florida. Charlie Crist has 60-plus percent approval ratings, and he is running against a 37 year old former Florida House Speaker Marco Rubio. And you will see the battle as it is waged there in Florida.

Let’s bring back our panel — Charles?

KRAUTHAMMER: If you have a governor with, as you say, 60 percent approval, who has a really easy shot at retaining the seat for the Republicans, I don’t see how the Republicans have any choice but to support him and support him strongly.

The argument against him ideologically is he supported the stimulus package. Look, if Washington is offering to fly helicopters over your state and dropped dollar bills, I don’t see how any government will deny them over-flight rights.

So I do not understand exactly why Republicans are going to be so ideologically fastidious as to say you have to be a movement conservative.

I would — the Republicans ought to be spending money in places like Connecticut, where Chris Dodd is very weakened by a lot of scandals surrounding his finances, and support somebody like Rob Simmons, a former congressman, who is going to be putting up a very strong race against him next year.

BAIER: Bill?

KRISTOL: I think given that the mood it in 2010 will be pretty antiestablishment, anti-Washington, I think some of these challengers have a pretty good shot. I think Rubio has a real shot against Crist. I would prefer him personally. I think he could win a general election.

Charles’s statement last night sure is a change from a year ago. And it is a change ignorant of the fact that Rubio’s win would not have happened but for the man he attacked last night as irrelevant — Jim DeMint.


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Arteriosclerosis/Mini-Strokes/Incipient Alzheimer's

Ausonius (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 7:31AM EDT (link)

All these or others could be the reason for Krauthammer’s odd changes. He turned 60 this year. Also remember that he was originally a Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale Democrat.

Perhaps he needs a second exorcism, so to speak! :)

And of course…

D.C.-itis is not unknown in supposedly conservative commentators.

Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.

Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.

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A little more respect for Krauthammer please

partyof1 Tuesday, November 9th at 9:38AM EDT (link)

Erick is 100% right, and in this case CK is puzzlingly wrong, but Krauthammer has been one of the most effective, intelligent, and to me, inspirational conservative voices in the war against Obamasocialism — inspiration that has nothing to do with his physical condition.

Krauthammer won’t change my mind on DeMint. But I think we can change his.

You are more than welcome to respect Krauthammer

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 9:58AM EDT (link)

if that is what you chose to do. People earn respect, but, cannot be told to respect someone is they don’t. It would be the same as telling someone who they have to love.

 

Krauthammer is a nice guy, but as a pundit he is overrated

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:05AM EDT (link)

Similar to Noonan, when he is right he is capable of communicating an argument better than many. However, he is often wrong.

I do respect Krauthammer, but an “inspirational voice”—I don’t think so.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

The thing about Krauthammer is

Dan McLaughlin (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:41AM EDT (link)

I’ve been reading his columns for over 25 years, and he’s almost invariably not just right but brilliant. That’s especially true on national security. I can probably count on one hand the number of his weekly columns I’ve really taken issue with.

For whatever reason – partly, perhaps, because electoral strategy isn’t his forte – he seems to go astray more as a TV pundit. There seems to be a big gulf in respect between people who know him mostly from his writings and those who know him mostly from FOX.

“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” – Winston Churchill

I think this is very accurate

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 6:04PM EDT (link)

Krauthammer is brilliant (esp on foreign policy), but he offers up no new or novel take on electoral politics. It is, therefore, not surprising that the results of putting him up as pundit are similar to those that would result from putting any smart person as a pundit with no distinct experiences or insights: those of an intelligent, well-spoken analyst who, more often than not, will regurgitate conventional thought when ignorant of a particular subject.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

He can be a brillian wordsmith---I don't think his ideas are that brilliant

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 9:56PM EDT (link)

Its really his communication skills–the guy can definitely break things down into ways that people understand and find interesting.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 

He can be a brillian wordsmith---I don't think his ideas are that brilliant

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 9:56PM EDT (link)

Its really his communication skills–the guy can definitely break things down into ways that people understand and find interesting.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 
 
 
 
 

A very great President started out as a democrat.....

Philip (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:12AM EDT (link)

I saw the show that Mr. Erickson writes about. I am a very big fan of Dr. Krauthammer and I was surprised at what he said. I agree with Mr.Erickson on this one.

As far as those bringing up his former political associations I have to echo Swami7774 thought ‘There was another former Democrat’.

Never Underestimate The Ability of Highly Intelligent People

Ausonius (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 11:38AM EDT (link)

to become at any given moment complete morons.

e.g. Bill Clinton. Or in this case Krauthammer.

One should not “misunderestimate” this ability either! :)

Being “ideologically fastidious” is NOT the same as choosing Crist over Rubio, as Crist’s later behavior has proven so obviously!

Is it possible that Krauthammer does not realize DeMint’s contribution?

If DeMint’s name were e.g. “Sanchez” would he be more favorable? I do wonder if that is not the reason Mr. K. suddenly views Mr. Rubio as the future. Perhaps Mr. K. is showing his own fastidiousness here.

Former Democrat Reagan would not have made such a mistake as Mr. K.’s.

Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.

Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.

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There's a Jargon File term for this

Finrod (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 11:55PM EDT (link)

It’s called: dumbass attack.

Defined as: Notional cause of a novice’s mistake made by the experienced.

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Never Underestimate The Ability of Highly Intelligent People

Ausonius (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 11:38AM EDT (link)

to become at any given moment complete morons.

e.g. Bill Clinton. Or in this case Krauthammer.

One should not “misunderestimate” this ability either! :)

Being “ideologically fastidious” is NOT the same as choosing Crist over Rubio, as Crist’s later behavior has proven so obviously!

Is it possible that Krauthammer does not realize DeMint’s contribution?

If DeMint’s name were e.g. “Sanchez” would he be more favorable? I do wonder if that is not the reason Mr. K. suddenly views Mr. Rubio as the future. Perhaps Mr. K. is showing his own fastidiousness here.

Former Democrat Reagan would not have made such a mistake as Mr. K.’s.

Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.

Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.

Cato@rock.com

AND…Know Your Czars…Before They Hit BIG BRObama’s Unemployment Line in November: http://www.czarcards.us/

 
 
 

Charles K. is smart, but not infallible.

minncon (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 7:45AM EDT (link)

I watched that panel discussion on Fox too, and came away with the sense that none of them “get” the grassroots conservative movement (which, for shorthand, has been dubbed the “Tea Party.”)

They seem to join in the emerging establishment Republican meme that is saying the Tea Party contributed to the election sweep, sure, but now it’s time for “us smart guys” to take over again.

Krauthammer’s comments, along with Mort Kondrake’s snark that Michelle Bachmann is just a “loudmouth” not really suited to a high leadership position, reveals that the pundits don’t get the movement either. (Kondrake’s comment also reveals that he continues to be an idiot.)

“When I was crossing the border into Canada, they asked if I had any firearms with me. I said, “Well, what do you need?” -Steven Wright

I think they get it.

Locked and Loaded (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 8:27AM EDT (link)

They’re just exposing themselves as part of the club that wants to wish it away.

No GM, GE, or any GSE for me.

Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?
Matthew 20:15 NIV

 

Mort sure does "snark" well

BA Cyclone (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:16AM EDT (link)

I think he truly has an elitist view against anything relating to “tea party” or the conservative uprising in general.

He plays on the “moderate” team and I guess he thinks this is a loss for him.

They all keep using DeMint’s “30 conservative Senator” comment completely out of context and mis-apply it to hypotheticals that have nothing to do with what DeMint was saying.

And then they say “look how great Rubio is!” They define out-of-touch and elite…some more than others. But I think it’s ironic that Mort fashions himself a moderate, yet he’s clearly elitist.

“If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions.” — James Madison

“Electing Republicans who don’t have the courage of their convictions may be easier in some circumstances, but it won’t save our country.” — Jim DeMint

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Mort sure does "snark" well

BA Cyclone (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:16AM EDT (link)

I think he truly has an elitist view against anything relating to “tea party” or the conservative uprising in general.

He plays on the “moderate” team and I guess he thinks this is a loss for him.

They all keep using DeMint’s “30 conservative Senator” comment completely out of context and mis-apply it to hypotheticals that have nothing to do with what DeMint was saying.

And then they say “look how great Rubio is!” They define out-of-touch and elite…some more than others. But I think it’s ironic that Mort fashions himself a moderate, yet he’s clearly elitist.

“If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions.” — James Madison

“Electing Republicans who don’t have the courage of their convictions may be easier in some circumstances, but it won’t save our country.” — Jim DeMint

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Mort Kondrake is a Liberal

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 11:00AM EDT (link)

He is the Democrat “fair and balanced” part of the panel along with Juan Williams and Mara Liason. There is no such thing as a “moderate” Democrat, which is why the so-called Blue Dogs were thrown to the wolves by their own party this year. NPR threw Williams to the wolves. The WH forced Liason to take 30 days off from FOX, to listen to how bad FOX is, but, she came back. I suspect Liason will be the next sacrificial lamb for NPR, after the dust settle from Williams.

 
 
 

Panel was clueless and Krauthammer's comments about DeMint VERY dumb, and then some

fpete13527 (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 7:51AM EDT (link)

I saw last night's panel on FOX

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 8:32AM EDT (link)

Kondrake started out by bashing what he called- Redstate.com which is some sorta Tea Party kinda website. He brought up the post where some of the Republican Senators that EE listed, for possible primary challenges, was just dumb. He named some of the Senators on the list, including the worst, and said- can you imagine that, obviously the site doesn’t want to grow the party. (I’m paraphrasing). This coming from the likes of a Democrat Party hack was understandable. They want nothing more than to divide the Republican party, and, Kondrake knows the Tea Party people want the squishes gone. He was participating in the Democrats game of picking our worst candidates. That was expected of Kondrake, but, Krauthammer’s comments were outreageous.

When I heard Krauthammer going after DeMint, my first thought was- and so many on our side give this guy credit for being brilliant. He was also right there with Rove in attacking O’Donnell. I wasn’t aware that Krauthammer was a former Democrat, and if he supported Carter, that should tell you something about his political philosophies. Krauthammer has made many comments since Obama was elected that show that he does have some sympathies for the Progressives, but, more importantly, he is a moderate, who supports the Republican Elite Ruling class, and obviously considers himself among them. I stopped giving him credit for being on our side long ago.

Mort is a grumpy old man

BA Cyclone (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:10AM EDT (link)

He has seemed increasingly grumpy the last six months or so – he’s not on the panel nearly what he used to be…maybe going back to 2008 or so when he seemed a regular.

He sticks up for the “middle” and therefore I guess his natural bent is to resist any movements that reflect conservative purity in the political class. It is funny because he clearly prides his role as a “moderate” yet he increasingly comes off as an elitist all the same.

Krauthammer – I can give him a pass now and then but it is truly disappointing (and possibly instructive) that his insight here is still visibly muddied by the waters of D.C. I think if even C.K. can get caught up with D.C. blinders, then we ought remember that no person walking within D.C. ZIP codes should automatically be granted lifetime trust. The fortitude required to maintain conservative values AND remain connected to the “outside world” must be stellar.

The only thing I could think during that particular discussion was: “Hello? Clue phone?! You hate DeMint but cite Rubio as a great example of where the party should go??!!”

“If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions.” — James Madison

“Electing Republicans who don’t have the courage of their convictions may be easier in some circumstances, but it won’t save our country.” — Jim DeMint

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Mort Kondrake is a Liberal

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 11:05AM EDT (link)

He is not a Republican.

 
 

Mort is a grumpy old man

BA Cyclone (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:10AM EDT (link)

He has seemed increasingly grumpy the last six months or so – he’s not on the panel nearly what he used to be…maybe going back to 2008 or so when he seemed a regular.

He sticks up for the “middle” and therefore I guess his natural bent is to resist any movements that reflect conservative purity in the political class. It is funny because he clearly prides his role as a “moderate” yet he increasingly comes off as an elitist all the same.

Krauthammer – I can give him a pass now and then but it is truly disappointing (and possibly instructive) that his insight here is still visibly muddied by the waters of D.C. I think if even C.K. can get caught up with D.C. blinders, then we ought remember that no person walking within D.C. ZIP codes should automatically be granted lifetime trust. The fortitude required to maintain conservative values AND remain connected to the “outside world” must be stellar.

The only thing I could think during that particular discussion was: “Hello? Clue phone?! You hate DeMint but cite Rubio as a great example of where the party should go??!!”

“If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions.” — James Madison

“Electing Republicans who don’t have the courage of their convictions may be easier in some circumstances, but it won’t save our country.” — Jim DeMint

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Right On, Erick

reaganiterepublicanresistance Tuesday, November 9th at 8:38AM EDT (link)

They are setting up the Bachmann thing as a staged “defeat” for the TEA Party, since Hensarling is the favorite… and the MSM know that

As for Krauthammer, outside of foriegn policy I don’t respect him much since he started in on Palin… now we are seeing more of the same, not the free thinking intellectual we thought he was apparently

BUT… Bill Kristol continues to redeem himself, at least in my eyes… and a HUGE Palin supporter to boot- those that paint him as an establishment/Bushite/neocon must not be listening to him over the last two years

 

There was another former Democrat...

swami7774 (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 8:45AM EDT (link)

…who left the party(or, more famously, the party left him) and became the greatest president of the 20th century.
Krauthammer is saying, perhaps inartfully, that we can’t be 100% pure 100% of the time. There will be times, in certain states(like mine, MA) where we will be given a choice of a 75% ally vs a 0% ally, In those situations, the choice is easy.
In retrospect, Krauthammer was right about Connecticut. Simmons was bland but he’d have had a better shot against the cadaverous Blumenthal.

Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism.

On CT: Assumes Facts Not In Evidence (nt)

IJB Tuesday, November 9th at 9:55AM EDT (link)

Also, Castle was not a 75% ally

cwilson (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:09AM EDT (link)

He was a 20% ally in off-years — and in a four-year replacement term and a promise of no run for re-election, all four of his years would have been off-years.

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! –Samuel Adams

Your numbers are actually off--an ACU rating is not the same thing as voting %

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:12AM EDT (link)

nt

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

In the absense of other documentation

cwilson (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:17AM EDT (link)

…supplying hard numbers, that’s all we got. Rate of supporting the GOP Leadership is *not* the same thing as being an ally of conservatives, either: given the solid human waste our leadership HAS supported in the past decade.

Unless you want to use “feelings”: I feel like Castle supports conservative positions 62.3462% of the time…

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! –Samuel Adams

The Washington Post actually put out the statistics before the primary

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 9:53PM EDT (link)

The link was posted on RS several times. I can google it for you, or you can google it for yourself.

“Feelings” has nothing to do with anything.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

Are you talking about this?

cwilson (Diary) Wednesday, November 10th at 4:41PM EDT (link)

Wapo report on Castle’s voting record

At best, it offers the “with party” voting percentage over all votes in the 111th Congress, or “with party” voting for Wapo-selected bills since the 109th Congress.

First, I don’t trust the Wapo to select the bills that show Castle’s full contrast with the Republican party mainstream; I suspect strategic omissions to beef up Castle’s with-party appearance. It’s a two-fer: since from the Wapo’s perspective, liberal Republicans are the best kind, you want to fool Republicans into electing them, so higher “with-party” numbers help you do that. But also, enhancing any R’s with-party numbers help you convince Dem voters to vote against them, increasing the probability of replacing even “acceptable” (to the left) republicans with a Democrat.

Second, as I stated before, “with-party” does not mean the same thing as “with US”, given what @#%! the GOP leadership and W have pushed (campaign finance reform? comprehensive immigration reform? medicare part d? the list is ginormous)

Now, if ONLY we had an organization that selected all or most of the bills of interest to conservatives, and then rated whether politicians voted with or against the mainstream conservative position — as opposed to the Republican Leadership’s position — well then, that’d would be more apropos than Wapo’s presentation.

Oh, wait…

We have that.

It’s called the ACU rating.

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! –Samuel Adams

Its not a matter of trust--its an actual tabulation of votes

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, November 10th at 9:47PM EDT (link)

anything else is “feelings”.

In a vote where R’s vote one way and D’s vote another (all votes are binary), the R vote is the conservative vote.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

Editorial control == bias

cwilson (Diary) Thursday, November 11th at 10:18AM EDT (link)

Wapo doesn’t list ALL votes; neither does the ACU. So, by selection, they can bias their numbers, as can the ACU. Since the ACU and the Wapo are diametrically opposed, we can expect that their selection bias is calculated to present different results, aimed at encouraging different behavior/decisions in their readers.

Unless you tabulate ALL votes…but even that can lead to false impressions. Is voting for adjournment a “conservative” vote? Is conferring a Congressional Medal of Honor “conservative” or “liberal”?

Your suggestion of looking at those votes where the majority of the Dems voted one way, and a majority of the R’s voted the other way, as a proxy for “liberal vs. conservative” is pretty good: but are you sure the Wapo listed ALL such “party-line” votes?

I’m not — and that’s not based on “feelings” but rather years of observation of the behavior of an orthodox and monolithically leftist newspaper.

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! –Samuel Adams

 
 
 
 

The Washington Post actually put out the statistics before the primary

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 9:53PM EDT (link)

The link was posted on RS several times. I can google it for you, or you can google it for yourself.

“Feelings” has nothing to do with anything.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 
 
 
 
 

"cadaverous" ha!

BA Cyclone (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:17AM EDT (link)

Well played.

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“Electing Republicans who don’t have the courage of their convictions may be easier in some circumstances, but it won’t save our country.” — Jim DeMint

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"cadaverous" ha!

BA Cyclone (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:17AM EDT (link)

Well played.

“If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions.” — James Madison

“Electing Republicans who don’t have the courage of their convictions may be easier in some circumstances, but it won’t save our country.” — Jim DeMint

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Krauthhammer is the epitome of the Washington insider....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 8:47AM EDT (link)

He cannot see and will never see what it is that WE The People want and desire because he sits his butt around with the same Washington insiders that have picked apart this great Country one bill at a time. He is of the type who thinks that spending is fine as long as it is spent on what he and Peggy Noonan find interesting when the reality is that WE The People do NOT want the spending at all!

 

Anyone else sick

proudmarinemom (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 9:08AM EDT (link)

of these people defining “The Tea Party,” Capital T, Capital T, Capital P.?

Every time any of these self-appointed pundits say the words “tea” and “party” in the same sentence, I have to back away from our old analog television so the shoes I throw at it miss. (I can’t afford one of those new plasma sets.) That goes for you, too, O’Reilly and Hannity.

Message to all of you: STOP defining the “Tea Party.” You are not one of us. We are the ones on the OTHER side of the camera, without teleprompters, without microphones, without pancake make-up. Unlike you, we do not get paid. Your paycheck automatically gets you banned from our “party” (lower case).

See you at the next rally? No, I didn’t think so.

 

Hensarling

rdelbov Tuesday, November 9th at 9:23AM EDT (link)

has been hard working for conservative causes within the caucus and has been very active in promoting the conservative agenda in legislative ways.

Bachmann has been an advocate of the conservative cause in public forums.

This is an inside workhorse position and not one of public relations.

I suspect Bachmann will drop out before the vote takes place.

Who's going to be Majority Whip?

HaroldHutchison (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 11:18AM EDT (link)

Wouldn’t a good compromise in that case be to have Hensarling at Majority Whip and Bachmann at Conference Chairman?

Kevin McCarthy is

rdelbov Tuesday, November 9th at 12:22PM EDT (link)

odds on favorite. Kevin McCarthy has been a conservative advocate and has been a big time candidate advocate. He has been a tireless campaigner.

Not a hit on Bachmann but too much face time on TV and airtime on radio is not a selling point for house leadership positions. House leadership is about listening to members and then convincing members of what leadership wants. Its not microphone time.

Hensarling has been a big thinker but not a vote counter. So McCarthy is the guy.

 
 
 

I guess color me Purple

Goldwater_Conservative (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 9:27AM EDT (link)

I like Michelle Bauchman, I love Jeb, I’m leary of what the tea party will become and I cant stand Palin.

Tea Party needs you

Beaglescout (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:21AM EDT (link)

Whether Goldwater would have been for gay marriage and open homosexuals serving in the military or not is irrelevant. This is about saving the Republic from the ravages of its irresponsible, stealing public servants and restoring the Constitution as the law of the land.

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton

Don't sit back and watch and tehn say you're worried about what the tea party will become.

morstar150 (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:37AM EDT (link)

There is much work to do. Stop dwelling on the election that has just past. It was a huge success for our America. Let’s continue that momentum and turn the direction of the nation around. Right this ship!!!

You will read it here time and time again, GET INVOLVED. Some people go to the Tea Party rallies and meetings, that’s great but the real power is in taking the reins of the party by becoming a district leader or a precinct representative.

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil, in its worst, an intolerable one. (Thomas Paine)

 
 

There He goes again...... nt

audax (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 11:07AM EDT (link)

Audeamus pro audere est facere

 
 

I give credit

LisaDe (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 9:36AM EDT (link)

to Rubio’s win directly to Rubio. He was the better candidate by far.

Krauthammer is far from dumb. Everybody slams this man if they don’t agree with his opinion. Fine. That’s what this site is all about. But like it or not, the man was correct about O’Donnell in more ways than one. The way I see it, after watching Dr. Krauthammers lectures etc, I’d say 98% of what he says is more intellegent than the lot of them put together.

He’s asked for his opinion and he gives it. He doesn’t shape and mold it to conform to what he thinks is the most unoffensive response. And I bet they pay him alot for it. I am sure that 98% of what Charles says is alright with most readers here, it’s the 2% that causes the uproar. I will always prefer Charles’ opinion to any other on TV.

I think the clear lesson from this election

Goldwater_Conservative (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:05AM EDT (link)

is the bigger the stakes, the more important that you have a viable candidate becomes. The tea party’s power was seen at the state and house levels, but once you get to the senate level their power becomes a sort of curse. Rubio and Toomey rode the tea party to a primary win but knew they had to become more than just a tea partier and they reached out to the independants, thats why they are senators. Paul turned out to be a very good candidate in a deep red state, so he is a senator. But Miller, Angle, O’Donnell and Buck could never become more than just the tea party candidates and they all went down. Let this be a big lesson for the 2012 presidential election.

GOTV was the missing piece

Beaglescout (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:25AM EDT (link)

It wasn’t the candidates. Angle should have won. She would have, if the RNC had done its job to get out the vote. Same with Buck. O’Donnell, maybe not, but it sure didn’t help her to have all the country club Republicans in Delaware endorsing her bearded Marxist opponent.

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton
 
 
 

5

swami7774 (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 9:59AM EDT (link)

nt

Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism.

 

weighing in

davenj1 (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:20AM EDT (link)

Actually, Krauthammer is an excellent voice with insightful analysis. I previously wrote that the GOP should accept the losses in Colorado, Delaware and Nevada for what they were. Did they damage the Republican Party? Only if one is short-sighted akin to those who cannot delay immediate gratification (like Lindsay Graham). As long as they were true to their principles of fiscal responsibility and limited government and still lost, then that only makes the GOP stronger in the long run. The bottom line is that there would be no tea party movement today if Republicans had remained true to their core values under Bush. Yet remember that it was a Republican Congress that ushered in the biggest entitlement since the 1960s and further entangled the Federal government in education with NCLB. And yes, the alleged Hensarling-Bachmann “non-controversy” is just something Democrats and the MSM allies wet dream about- an alleged civil war in the GOP while ignoring the fact their prima donna President is weakened and the Democratic Party has internal problems bigger than any the GOP allegedly has. Finally, again- Sarah Palin and Michael Steele need to be sent on a GOP-paid and sponsored two-year caribou hunting expedition in Alaska.

 

weighing in

davenj1 (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 10:20AM EDT (link)

Actually, Krauthammer is an excellent voice with insightful analysis. I previously wrote that the GOP should accept the losses in Colorado, Delaware and Nevada for what they were. Did they damage the Republican Party? Only if one is short-sighted akin to those who cannot delay immediate gratification (like Lindsay Graham). As long as they were true to their principles of fiscal responsibility and limited government and still lost, then that only makes the GOP stronger in the long run. The bottom line is that there would be no tea party movement today if Republicans had remained true to their core values under Bush. Yet remember that it was a Republican Congress that ushered in the biggest entitlement since the 1960s and further entangled the Federal government in education with NCLB. And yes, the alleged Hensarling-Bachmann “non-controversy” is just something Democrats and the MSM allies wet dream about- an alleged civil war in the GOP while ignoring the fact their prima donna President is weakened and the Democratic Party has internal problems bigger than any the GOP allegedly has. Finally, again- Sarah Palin and Michael Steele need to be sent on a GOP-paid and sponsored two-year caribou hunting expedition in Alaska.

 

I like Charles, but he does have a squishy bone or two

johnt Tuesday, November 9th at 11:59AM EDT (link)

in him. Jim DeMint is a force and counter balance to the Lindsay Graham wing of the party. I would think he’ll have more clout the next two years.
Talking heads, including CK get a little too comfortable, the criticism comes too easy & their heads too big. This is going to be a tough two years, the left is exploding in undisguised hate, maybe we should lay off DeMint and concentrate on the boiling fascist left, and their hero, The O. Hello C K .

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

 

Overall, I have not found Krauthammer to be...

clintonformccain Tuesday, November 9th at 1:38PM EDT (link)

….dismissive of the tea party force and its shaping of the Republican party in this election cycle. I think he’s been “fair and balanced” in outlining both the strengths and weaknesses of the various tea party-esque candidates and, more importantly, he’s been rigtht most of the time.

It's a way to grow...

texas214 (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 3:47PM EDT (link)

if you don’t examine your strengths and weakness’ in the post election aftermath then you are destined not to learn from your mistakes.

Not defending what Krauthamer said, but I for one am appreciative of what DeMint has done, yet would rather see the likes of Rubio carry the torch forward. At this point it is important to stake out conservative positions, but moving forward we need spokesmen and women who can attract more to the cause.

 
 

Dr. Krauthammer can say astonishingly dumb and detached things now and then.

spainishirish (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 3:30PM EDT (link)

This happened to be one. You are absolutely right on this point, Erick. Without Sen. Demint, there would be no Sen. Rubio courtesy of the…Dr. Krauthammers of our party who first cast their lots with the disgusting Florida governor.

I think Crank was on to something above. Krauthammer’s writing tends to be lucid, insightful, and, at times, brilliant. But off the cuff he can fall apart. The ability to take time to reflect and respond is something that distinguishes writing from speaking. My gut is that Nixon speechwriter Krauthammer doesn’t like what Sen. Demint represents, which is the passage of the GOP to a newer generation, and when put on the spot for a quick answer, what came out was a factually inaccurate explanation for his rationale. It probably belies what Krauthammer actually feels, but it was sad to watch.

 

The GOP is DOomed

jamo (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 3:42PM EDT (link)

People like CArl Rove, Charles Karuthammer, Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, etc. will doom the GOP and, unfortunately take the country down with them.

Reform has no chance if left in the hands of these Good old boys. Beat them down now, or you will have to live with them, and you can’t live with them.

This is dumb

Goldwater_Conservative (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 4:23PM EDT (link)

just like saying lets get rid of all the tea partiers because they are new and stupid. The “good ole boy” mantra means they have been around the block and thus know what it takes to get things done. Yes it could also mean they are stuck in there ways and beholden to certian intrests, but nevertheless they are valuable assets to the conservative cause. The purity thing just doesnt work in the US Government, it has never, nor will it ever work. The GOP needs pragmatic leadership, not utopian goals. Here is a news flash, the GOP isnt going to get everything they want in this upcoming session, but its imperative that they exuctue and achive all that they can.

 

jamo, I take it you're not "in" the Party as a "card carrying member" of it?

ColdWarrior (Diary) Tuesday, November 9th at 4:50PM EDT (link)

You are right that there are many Republican commentators and incumbents who are making bad, bad judgments.

But the way to reform the Party, for us “little guys,” is to get inside it as precinct committeemen so we can vote for the leadership. If you had become a precinct committeeman in the Republican Party over the course of the last two years, you’d now be in a position to attend your local Republican Party committee bi-annual organizational meeting to cast votes for its officers. You’d also be in a position to vote for the county officers or delegates to the county meeting (every state has different rules). Bottom line, you’d have direct and indirect voting rights for all of the Party leadership, including even the RNC Chairman.

If you want to “beat them down,” the best first step is to actually get involved inside you local GOP committee.

I explain it all at my little blog. There might even be a link there for how it works in your state.

If you aren’t already inside the Party as a precinct committeeman, I hope you’ll join those of us conservatives who are already there. Come on in! The water’s fine, and it’s fun.

Thank you.

For Liberty,
ColdWarrior, PC
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Disappointment is nothing new

citizenjerry Tuesday, November 9th at 5:53PM EDT (link)

Disappointed? By Charles Krauthammer? I’ve stopped counting the times. Charles in Charge just comes off as someone who needs to always be the smartest person in the room.

 

Krauthammer is a neocon

californiagold Tuesday, November 9th at 6:29PM EDT (link)

It’s not surprising that Krauthhammer shows little loyalty to conservatives like Demint or Palin. The reason is simple. Krauthhammer is not a conservative,,,,he’s a neoconservative who’s beliefs often collide with limited government conservatism.

The neoconservative movement nearly destroyed the republican party over the course of the last decade with their big government spending habits and never ending wars. It’s good to have guys like Senator Demint around to restore sanity.

 

Prefer Jeb Hensarling

George_B_TX Wednesday, November 10th at 11:22AM EDT (link)

I’ve talked to Jeb in person and followed his political career here in Texas. He’s the right guy to be GOP Conference Chair. Great communicator and solid conservative. Nothing against Michelle, but I believe that Jeb is simply better at winning moderates and independents over to our side.