Byron York has good news for people around the country.
Your local airport can opt out of having the Transportation Safety Administration handle security at your local airport. Instead, you can contract out to the private sector. It was one of the ingenious and little noticed provisions the Republicans dropped in the post-9/11 legislation creating the TSA.
With a move to unionize the TSA and the TSA groping 3 year olds and nuns in nutty security theater, opt-ing out in favor of free market competence sounds like a great idea. Oh, and Congress will cover the payments to the TSA replacement.
Practicing what I preach, I am the Chairman of the Public Properties Committee of the City of Macon, Georgia. As such, I chair the committee that oversees the Middle Georgia Regional Airport. I will be drafting legislation to have my local airport opt-out of having the TSA grope passengers.
Jeff Emanuel
Neil Stevens
I have an idea.
NeoKong (Diary) Tuesday, November 16th at 10:32PM EDT (link)Let’s put up a YouTube video of a grown man who somehow manages to make it through airport security without crying like a little girl.
Then after that we can show one of the millions of children who
somehow mange to make it through without having a tantrum.
Can we please stop torturing the TSA…?
I do not think for a moment that they enjoy looking at the naked bodies of the millions of people who pass through security nor do they relish the fact that they have to grope a man’s groin.
Let me ask all of you. Do you want to rub your hands up and down some random stranger’s legs….?
Also do me a favor and stop whining about what Israel does.
They have less then 1% percent of the airline traffic the U.S. has and more than half of their passengers are former Israeli military.
They also have less than three million tourists a year who visit their country.
They also stop every single vehicle that comes into the airport and they staff their security with soldiers with machine guns and undercover personel.
They do not worry about Israeli citizens hijacking an aircraft because it has never happened whereas here in the United States we invented the tactic.
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That's one idea
texasgalt (Diary) Tuesday, November 16th at 11:08PM EDT (link)Here’s another:
Profile the most likely perps to keep Muslim crotch bombers off airplanes . . . especially when they have a bad passport, are flying from YEMEN on a one way ticket and have a father who warned us his son was dangerous.
I don’t want to torture the low level, barely functional TSA personnel but I wouldn’t mind a shot at Big Sis.
I have a grand daughter 3 years old. There would be a big and immediate problem if anyone put there hands all over her.
This is not a rational argument
jmimac351 Wednesday, November 17th at 7:10AM EDT (link)for why Americans should be subjected to this sort of treatment and ignore the Constitution. There needs to be reasonable balance between rights and security. Touching genetalia is not a balanced, proportionate response to the threat we face. In fact, it appears those who pose the greatest threat, Muslims, are being treated with less scrutiny. The people who “invented the tactic” are Muslims who want to kill Infidels like me. Muslims going thru ariports should be profiled. Not because 99.9% of Muslims are terrorists, but because 99.9% of terrorists are Muslims.
Or, put another way, if Muslims were not permitted to fly on airplanes, non of this enhanced security would be necessary. White Christians don’t try to blow up planes, Muslims do.
How do you like ‘dem apples?
Dear Neo ...
cam1 Wednesday, November 17th at 7:35AM EDT (link)2 questions: Do you work for the TSA? And, are you saying the Israel does it right?
Your idea works in 8 counties in Nevada
pilgrim (Diary) Wednesday, November 17th at 8:21AM EDT (link)In those counties it is a brothel instead of an airport where paid workers relish groping and rubbing their hands up and down a stranger’s legs. The one difference is the volume of people visiting an airport vs visiting a brothel, but it’s like they both operate on the same model.
I would like to see more citizens of the United States
macchat8 Wednesday, November 17th at 6:20PM EDT (link)Packing guns, machine guns and everything else they need to protect themselves. They have been the only ones to detect the last 3 attempts at terrorist attacks and our airline industry anyway. Everyone seems to be ignoring the obvious. We can protect ourselves if the Government will get out of the way. This was the reason the Japanese Emperor didn’t attack the U.S. on the mainland. He said there was an armed American behind every blade of grass. A bit of a deterrent I would say.
The Congress also opted out of pre-screened security lists; meaning that people could have background checks done and then get a special pass at public airports, being completely unencumbered by this circus facade called Security checks. So Airline workers and business travelers, high volume flyers and anyone else who wished to be ‘pre-screened’ could opt to travel hassle free. Why did they drop that option???? It is about harassing the Citizens and getting us use to being mis-trusted and mis-treated. More to come.
Cindy
Did you check your facts?
yech Friday, November 19th at 12:58AM EDT (link)“more than half of their passengers are former Israeli military”
In a country with manual drafts thats bound to happen no?
“They do not worry about Israeli citizens hijacking an aircraft because it has never happened”
Ever hear of Entebe?
Do you know how short the lines for security are in Israel? Did you know you only have to remove electronics from your pockets before going through metal detectors in Israel? If only America would work the same way Israel does, it would save a lot of time, shorten lines and cut out the dressing rooms after security.
Can we please stop acting like TSA agents have no choice?
pamelagorman (Diary) Sunday, November 21st at 4:32PM EDT (link)I will be the first to ask folks to please not assume the worst of all TSA agents (which I did elsewhere already). But, why aren’t we seeing some internal correction in those airports where abuses (yes “abuses”) occurred and were documented publicly?
These guys/gals need to self-regulate their brethren. We all know there is a lot of difference between the way some are handling their jobs and the way others are carrying out the same orders. If the “good agents” see abuse, they need to deal with it. Failing to do so is an endorsement of that brazen abuse of power. So, yes, the “others” in TSA that see this going on but do nothing are equally to blame.
The skies are not safer because a 16 year old girl is stip searched or because an 3 year old has her labia fondled by a stranger in public. TSA agents know that. Yet they do it. It is their choice to select these passengers.
And, if you believe the terrorists don’t already have a way around this “inconvenience” to their deadly plans, you are living a fantasy, my friend.
Anyone who doesn’t believe those same terrorists are having a good belly laugh over our loss of freedoms and perceived sense of safety as a result, is a fool.
My desire is to see the policies made reasonable in an effort to truly make us safer. And, I believe the American people need to see those that abused innocent people brought to justice. That is going to require some correction to those within their ranks that took their training and threw it out the window in favor of the intoxicating adrenaline surge they got from exerting power over another human being… an innocent, free, simply-trying-to-get-somewhere-with-dignity-intact human being.
In the end we are all safer on our flights if Americans trust TSA with their safety and we all treat each other respectfully.
My "local" airport is Atlanta Hartsfield
jstjoan (Diary) Tuesday, November 16th at 10:59PM EDT (link)I’m not very optimistic anyone there would even consider opting out of TSA. *sigh*
Three questions that destroy most Liberal arguments according to Thomas Sowell:
1. Compared to what?
2. At what cost?
3. What hard evidence do yo have?
Your "local" airport....
NeoKong (Diary) Tuesday, November 16th at 11:15PM EDT (link)is the busiest airport in the world.
88 million passengers and 970,235 flights a year.
This one airport dwarfs Israeli air traffic.
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Hartsfield-Jackson is also one of THE most
marshmom (Diary) Wednesday, November 17th at 7:31AM EDT (link)inefficient airports in the country. Nobody who works there is respectful. And yes, I wouldn’t doubt that they do get a kick out of intimidating certain people with their “groping”.
I traveled through there last year before this mess with two small children and that was bad enough. I had to dump all my kids juice out(one of the only things that would pacify them on the plane), they made me dump out all of my kids stuff and for some unknown reason we got pulled to the side and harassed by customs.
The workers there obviously hate their jobs, and don’t give a darn how long you have to wait in line with a screaming baby, nor do they care if you miss your flight because of their incompetence. Having to be at an airport 3 hours before your flight leaves (yes, really) just because the TSA is inefficient is inexcusable.
They are rude, disrespectful, and the best thing to happen to Atlanta airport is if they got rid of the TSA. Unfortunately, pigs will probably fly first.
Hartsfield-Jackson is also one of THE most
grandpa6 Wednesday, November 17th at 3:21PM EDT (link)You are so right My wife & I fly out of Hartsfield about 6 times per year & I dread each trip dealing with these incompetent, nasty agents. Most of which probably did not have a background check. When they started the 3oz. liquid law these people were stealing perfume and other expensive products. They were throwing them in a bin and I personally witnessed some of them going through the bin picking out the things they wanted to take.
Uh, I work for the FAA
jstjoan (Diary) Wednesday, November 17th at 8:39AM EDT (link)As a matter of fact I worked as an Air Traffic Controller for many years before finally getting a administrative job. So, I’m perfectly aware that ATL is the busiest in the world which is exactly why I *sighed* at the fact that TSA will always be there and I will always be forced to go through their molestation tactics until soemthing changes.
Three questions that destroy most Liberal arguments according to Thomas Sowell:
1. Compared to what?
2. At what cost?
3. What hard evidence do yo have?
Oops
jstjoan (Diary) Wednesday, November 17th at 8:41AM EDT (link)I meant this to be a reply to NeoKong’s post. Sorry ’bout that marshmom.
Three questions that destroy most Liberal arguments according to Thomas Sowell:
1. Compared to what?
2. At what cost?
3. What hard evidence do yo have?
Oops
jstjoan (Diary) Wednesday, November 17th at 8:41AM EDT (link)I meant this to be a reply to NeoKong’s post. Sorry ’bout that marshmom.
Three questions that destroy most Liberal arguments according to Thomas Sowell:
1. Compared to what?
2. At what cost?
3. What hard evidence do yo have?
Good move. Minneapolis may opt out as well.
spainishirish (Diary) Tuesday, November 16th at 11:08PM EDT (link)Of course, Napolitano and Comrade Obama will shut down the only kind of enhanced interrogation techniques they publicly support–that of American citizens domestically–once they see their potential union supporters being given pink slips. But that could be win/win: the Obama Administration’s domestic torture program would be shut down and the TSA still could be cut down to size.
I love it when a conservative is in charge
toothpick (Diary) Wednesday, November 17th at 1:39AM EDT (link)Erick, just wanted you to know – the last paragraph of your post made me smile. As Ghandi once said: “You must be the change you wish to see in the world.”
Love it.
Go Erick!
pamelagorman (Diary) Sunday, November 21st at 4:38PM EDT (link)I echo Toothpick’s comments.
May 2002
dnha14 Wednesday, November 17th at 9:34AM EDT (link)About 8 months after 911 my family took a vacation. We got to the airport and our luggage got checked. Hey no problem, 9/11 had just happened. We wanted to be safe. Then we got to the security area where my 11 year old twins were pulled from the line for extra scrutiny. Hey, ok. We all want to be safe, no big deal, a little hassle, so what? Then we got to the gate. Again my 11 year old twins were pulled out of line for additional scrutiny. They were patted down and wanded. I turned to my wife and made some comment about how evil our kids must look. I was also wondering where they might have picked up explosives between the security check point and the gate. I don’t remember passing an explosives store. So, now I’m beginning to think this security stuff is a little overboard. They finished with my kids and the next person up was a young woman. She was wearing tight short shorts and a halter top. She could barely hide herself much less any contraband. They however, dutifully wanded and frisked her. This is all in full public view, by the way. While all of this was going on 5 young Arab men were allowed on the plane without any additional scrutiny. It was then that I decided that this security system was, at best, flawed. Now, with what is happening today, I am convinced that the DHS and TSA need large doses of anti-psychotic meds. Alice in Wonderland anyone?
Opting out-
melatr7 Wednesday, November 17th at 9:50AM EDT (link)I understand that there is an opt out (backscatter machine) protest being planned for the day before Thanksgiving. Hmmmm That would cause a massive backlog on the busiest flight day of the year. Despite the obvious problems that would be borne of this, I’d LOVE to see it take place.
That would cause ticket holders to be re-routed to the gropers where I wish each and every one of the passengers would ask to see the warrant issued against them for probable cause, describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.
For those who really wanted to skip over asking to see the warrant, maybe they would like to ask to see the employee’s hetero or homo certification. After all, aren’t we guaranteed a member of the same sex?
Finally, after the pat down, and just to show they don’t hold a grudge, it’d be great if everyone had a dollar in hand to toss down as a tip for their ‘experience’. (Only if they were happy with it, of course.)
Last time I flew, I went through the backscatter machine and still got patted down
earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, November 17th at 9:54AM EDT (link)I asked why I was selected and neither agent responded and then I asked again and they claimed it was random.
Now that I have learned more about them, I don’t think they are safe.
common ground
seanos Wednesday, November 17th at 10:04AM EDT (link)As a liberal, I think that this is an issue that progressives and tea-party republicans can see eye to eye on. I think that this is a gross infringement on our right to privacy. I’m not a particularly modest person, so it’s not me personally that I am concerned about. I’m sure that the majority of TSA screeners are fine men and women. However, I cannot ignore the fact that they are paid barely above min. wage, thereby eliminating (at least in my opinion) any incentive to be professional ( http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/tsa-screener-cited-torture-scanner-case ) and more likely to be corrupt. How stringent a background check do they need to go through? Would you allow your 12 year old little girl to be seen naked by ANY adult other than yourself or her Doctor? And since we know that they lied about not keeping copies of the images ( http://gizmodo.com/5690749/these-are-the-first-100-leaked-body-scans ), what’s to keep some down on his/her luck screener from selling the images online? Further, the media seems to be ignoring the fact that the best way to detect contraband of ANY kind is using dogs? A dogs brain contains up to 300 million olfactory receptors compared to our 40 million. This means that not only can they be trained to identify a smell, but that they can separate that scent from others. In other words, they can find a bag of weed on a subway platform in rush hour. Also, they work for dog food. I guess the K9 lobby should have hired Michael Chertoff ( http://gawker.com/5437499/why-is-michael-chertoff-so-excited-about-full+body-scanners ).
Agreed, actually agreed!
mustango (Diary) Wednesday, November 17th at 10:46AM EDT (link)I’d thought the political chasm too wide these days for anything to cause uproar on the right and the left simultaneously, yet somehow the TSA has found a way to unite people from all over the political spectrum against them.
Congressional lame ducks interested in salvaging some form of legacy? Here’s your chance.
“I just miss — I miss being anonymous.” — Barack Obama
I fully sympathize, Mr. President. I miss you being anonymous too.
There is a TSA memo out there from Nov 2001
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, November 17th at 11:33AM EDT (link)A couple months after 9/11.
It warned TSA workers about discrimination.
The takeaway for many TSA workers was, “I won’t bother anyone but little old ladies.”
http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2009/12/29/tsa-memo-right-after-911-doesnt-this-make-you-feel-all-safe-inside/
Excerpts from 11/2001 memo:
“Treat people who may appear to be of Arab, Middle Eastern or South Asian descent and/or Muslim with the same respect you would treat people of other ethnicities and religions, and treat all people in a polite, respectful and friendly manner.”
“Do not subject persons or their property to inspection, search and/or detention solely because they appear to be Arab, Middle Eastern, Asian, and/or Muslim; or solely because they speak Arabic, Farsi, or another foreign language; or solely because they speak with an accent that may lead you to believe they are Arab, Middle Eastern, Asian, and/or Muslim.”
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
sounds like a commons sense idea....
seanos Wednesday, November 17th at 12:05PM EDT (link)until you think about it for more than 2 minutes. First of all, most all airports in major cities will slow to a crawl if you decide to search everyone who looks like they may be middle eastern. Secondly, do you think that someone planning on highjacking a plane is really going to be sporting a long beard and turban smelling of rosewater? If you were going to go on a shooting spree at the Jewish museum, would you wear your white robe and hood? The problem with profiling is not it’s inherent racism, but that it’s a waste of time because when you profile you overlook everyone else.
Neither of the excerpts talked about 'dress'.
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, November 17th at 12:21PM EDT (link)Dress was mentioned in a paragraph in the entire memo.
Again, the takeaway from the memo for the TSA worker is don’t mess with anyone in order not to discriminate and avoid getting into trouble.
The memo said asking a sikh to remove a turban is against his religion. But I have to remove my baseball cap? Sorry, if you want to fly you will remove any head covering, period.
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
TSA + Obamacare + Unions =
msgrant (Diary) Wednesday, November 17th at 11:40AM EDT (link)free prostate screenings for all male airline travelers by TSA workers who will be at least as qualified as the eventually unionized government “doctors” that Obamacare will give us. Win-win!
Anyone??
Pizza_God Wednesday, November 17th at 11:56AM EDT (link)How many Terrorists have been stopped by the TSA?
How many shoe bombs have they found?
How many Undewear bombs have they found?
Have they ever stopped someone who had the intent to harm???
I have NEVER heard of one and have heard that there are NONE.
“There are some who’ve forgotten why we have a military. It’s not to promote war; it’s to be prepared for peace.”
— Ronald Reagan
Behind the curve
Thomas_Hauber Wednesday, November 17th at 12:59PM EDT (link)Pizza_God, you make a good point. All of these security measures have always been implemented after and incident. In other words they are not necessarily designed to stop the next attack only the previous one.
I personally am uncomfortable with being x-rayed by a machine as little tested as these backscatter machines. For an interesting read go to the TSA website and read the John Hopkins report. In the first couple of pages is the disclaimer that they never actually tested a machine calibrated for use in the field. And we are supposed to rely on this as a validation of the safety of the machines!?!
Link
Thomas_Hauber Wednesday, November 17th at 1:11PM EDT (link)http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/jh_apl_v1.pdf
Above is the link to the John Hopkins report. Just read pages 3-5 and you will all be asking question regarding these machines.
Also:
How much training have these operators had with this equipment?
Are they certified to run an x-ray machine?
I would bet good money that the TSA is offering less training than one-day of a radiologist’s training course.
How does that help?
Menlo (Diary) Sunday, November 21st at 4:57PM EDT (link)They still go by the same policies and do the same things, so I’m not sure what that accomplishes.
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