John Cornyn Declares He Will Continue The War Against Conservative Candidates

AceInTX

the more things change…the more they stay the same.

What’s worse is Rubio and Paul voted to keep him as NRSC Chair

AceInTX

rdelbov

the exact opposite view of this article. Instead of seeing this an attack on DeMint I believe John C. Is inviting DeMint-Redstate and others to provide input and comment on candidate recruitement.

1. Has anyone noticed all the spectulation on candidates for 2012 senate seats? There is a myth in candidate recruitment that people just get calls out of the blue from DC “hey maybe you should run for US senate”. Oh get real. Ambition is in the DNA of every politician. The NRSC does not so much recruit as explains and encourages.

2. I mentioned earlier this year as the NRSC was attacked for not recruiting top guys in races in HI-NY-VT-OR. Yup we had second tier folks in at least five states this year. Gillibrand polled mostly under 50% and we did not attract a top candidate. Yet when the NRSC did encourage and support top flight candidates in 2010 we attacked them-in some cases- for not being conservative enough. Exactly what do we want the NRSC to do?

3. I think John C. is telling the conservatives he wants to listen to their concerns. I might add in 2012 we will see less candidate recruitment from the NRSC as the playing field and political atomsphere looks to be more favorable to the GOP

cwilson

is one of the primary jobs of the NRSC, isn’t it? The issues we have are (a) endorsing in a contested primary — even if one of those contenders is the recruited candidate, and (b) recruiting RINOs.

(b) is easily fixed in concept — just recruit more conservative candidates. Maybe, I dunno, ask a few local Republican voter types what they think about prospective recruits, rather than asking local Republican political hacks and DIABLOs.

(a) seems easy for Cornyn to do — in races for open or Democrat-held seats, where they did no recruiting. But…where there is an R incumbent, it’s not surprising the NRSC supports the incumbent against any primary challenge — the NRSC is a creature of the elected R Senators…I don’t like it, but that’s what the Senators created it to do.

The tricky bit is what to do when the NRSC recruits a candidate for an open or D seat, and a grassroots candidate challenges in the primary. It’s not a very good recruitment strategy to say “Hi, Mr. Accomplished and Popular State Congressman. Would you consider running against evil Democrat Senator Moriarty? Oh, and BTW, if you have a conservative or grassroots primary challenger, we won’t endorse or support you; you’d be on your own. But hey, if you DO win the primary, we’ll be back in time for the General.”

I think the only REAL solution to this problem for the NRSC is that they should be a LOT more careful in recruiting candidates in the first place: recruit somebody who is well-liked by the Republican base *voters* (as distinguished from the state Republican party apparatus) and you won’t have a primary challenge.

If *that’s* what Cornyn is trying to do, by inviting DeMint and other conservatives into the *recruiting* process — to prevent the NRSC from making boneheaded recruiting mistakes — then that’s probably a good thing.

I have my doubts that this is actually Cornyn’s intention, tho.

http://itsaboutfreedom.proboards.com IronDioPriest

The US Senate is an exclusive club filled with ambitious people who want to brandish the title “Senatah” until the day they die, and have their name inscribed on the local airport until Charlton Heston and Roddy McDowell find it buried in the sand.

Cornyn sees himself as the best person to hold that exclusive club together. He sees his top priority as protecting incumbency, and his secondary priority as managing personnel when God forbid someone exits the club.

Apparently his colleagues agree – unanimously.

They. Don’t Get. It. And they put the political integrity of the United States at risk by their arrogance.

http://everystatecontentment.com wleeper

There is no Constitutional basis for career politicians like John Cornyn to choose which candidates are to be supported. His committee goes out and recruits career politicians then expects the people to support their candidate. Under the Constitution it is the people who have the authority to select their own representatives, not a committee of the U. S. Senate. We would be much better off if everyone would refuse to send money to the National Republican Party. We have the right to pick our candidates, then send our money directly to the candidate of our choice.
Wayne Leeper
www.alandcalledamerica.com

Wubbies World

This man cannot be allowed to continue to exist in the Republican camp. He is awful! He is epitome of the Ruling Class donk. He must go!

NeoKong

” Do what you’re told and do not defy me. “

He is just another politician who doesn’t like those pesky voters getting in the way of things.
I’ll bet he likes the Tea Party just about as much as Lisa Murkowski does and he is no doubt very happy about what happened in Alaska.

JoeG

My thoughts are very similar.

We can’t be mad at the NRSC for backing an incumbent. (Except Murcowski after the primary.) They are a organization run by incumbent Rs. That part will never change.

What we could hope for is avoiding anger and mistrust by the NRSC picking candidates that will be strongly contested by the base. I am a bit hopeful that Cornyn and others may look at the primaries of this year and realize they can’t’ keep going the way they are. The best possible outcome would be for them to run people by DeMint before they announce an endorsement.

JoeG

At least Texas has become a sure R state.

I just wonder if he’d try the write in angle if he was primaried?

fpete13527

At this point it should have been clear to the GOP Senate that what they have been doing could not possibly be more in left field than it is.

Unfortunately, it isn’t.

The core of all that is pitiful in the GOP Senate won’t let go. And there is enough of the rotten core left to cause a lot of damage!

The new group of Senators will do great things but it will be hard for them and they can only do so much being brand new. The NRSC ensured that some of the other Conservative candidates who easily could have won didn?t….and Cornyn will do all he can to ensure that Conservative candidates continue to not win.

And the core rotten group has their caucus back – Cornyn, McCain, Murkowski, McConnell, Trigger Sisters, DICK Lugar, and others.

Obama and the Dems are jumping for joy here. They know that with this disgraceful group in place……the DemComm work toward the destruction of the country will be much easier. Soros and Podesta can put their money back toward voter fraud and covert injection of disruption/Communism. They won?t have to put much money toward running a legal Dem candidate. Cornyn will insure the GOP candidates are bad enough.

The problem for Cornyn and McConnell, and their disgrace to humanity core, is that the American people are not going to allow them to continue the damage that THEY have allowed and created.

Cornyn turned Florida into a swamp hole infestation that is only now beginning to unravel itself. Much of the Florida State Legislature turned into Murkowskis, McCains, Specters, and Lugars under the Crist…..and we have CORNYN to thank for that.

As a matter of fact Crist is laughing his head off because he is now a lobby person and he will no doubt be lobbying for Obama. I wouldn?t be surprised though, if Cornyn didn?t hire Crist for his head NRSC Staff person.

CRIST was on the CORNYN/NRSC front page as the MODEL Republican for MONTHS after it was clear that Rubio was Florida’s choice …..and CRIST stayed on the front page for months, and months, and months, and months AFTER Cornyn “knew (not)” that he shouldn?t be there. CORNYN = ZERO INTEGRITY.

If the GOP Senate is choosing their NRSC leader to be Cornyn, the GOP Senate needs to be clear that there will be many, many, many, many, many. primaries coming their way. Many.

Even with ALL the work that has to get accomplished immediately to save the country, work needs to begin to replace MANY in the GOP Senate ……NOW. I repeat……NOW.

earlgrey

I am channeling my Cold Warrior a bit here, but a stronger local republican party is a more constructive route than primarying Cornyn. Now I must add my I know little about politics, so I could be wrong here.

runner12

to “clean house” in the Senate. These people are entrenched in their power and in their Washington elitism. Even before the elections, it was clear that the House of Representatives was “getting the message” that the conservative wave was coming while the Senat GOP stuck its head in the sand. I honestly cannot determine if it is plain stupidity to foolish arrogance on the part of the GOP Senate. All I know is that Cornyn and those like him MUST go. We must purge the party of these types.

zornorph

Well, rather than complain about Big John, I hope that conservatives are going to go out and recruit some good candidates. It was a real mix last time; Angle, O’Donnel and Miller were absolute FAIL as candidates. Buck wasn’t too bad, but he could have won his race if he’s have stuck to the economy and kept his damn mouth shut about the other stuff. I’m happy to support conservatives if they are good candidates like Marco Rubio and Ron Johnston of if the state is a gimmie like Utah, but I do NOT want to see races lost because of FAIL candidates.

http://aposematic.wordpress.com aposematic

Hey Erick, I seem to remember just yesterday on Twitter you were singing Cornyn’s praises in getting a bunch of Conservatives elected. You were wrong then as Cornyn was forced against his will to support Conservative Candidates once it looked like they might win. Initially Cornyn supported Conservative traitors (Murky, Crist, and the Conn. RINO). So, this begs the question: which way is the wind blowing today?

fpete13527

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

Old_Dominion

Look at Delaware, Colorado, and Nevada. All three of these were winnable had extremist elements not put up a lunatic in each state. Instead of the powerful symbolism of knocking off the Majority Leader, he managed to win for one reason only: Sharron Angle belongs in a mental institution. Instead of taking the Vice President’s Senate seat in a cakewalk, an unabashed liberal Democrat won because the can’t miss Republican candidate was knocked out in favor of someone so stark raving mad that she needed to remind voters that she was, in fact, not a witch. And instead of adding on to two big House wins in Colorado with a highly qualified candidate like Jane Norton, we wound up with Ken Buck, a guy so awful he couldn’t even beat a stiff like Michael Bennett.

Moderate Republicans and pragmatists do not need to be thought of as being incompatible with conservatives. Yet that’s exactly what happened, and good for Cornyn for realizing that.

http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

There is a Republican tendency to conserve the ways of the past even as they become dangerous and self-destructive. Democrats have long since realized that the 17th Amendment turned the Senate from the deliberative, slow body that protects the states into a more populist body of Senators that all have to pander to an entire state full of people, and who are protected from accountability by their 6 year terms. In other words, the Senate is now the MORE extreme and impetuous half of Congress. The only thing that disguises this impetuous tendency is the filibuster.

Republicans believe this 17th amendment reality requires them to keep on bringing home the pork barrel projects. That worked for the 20th century. But now Democrats have different plans. They have been taken over by Socialists. Now the Socialist Democrats are going full speed ahead with their plans. Their plans work even better if they are larded up with a little bit of Republican pork.

Republicans need to recognize the nature of the situation. This is not the same old Democrat Party. This isn’t the Democratic Party of JFK, but “the party” of Alger Hiss and Van Jones.

IJB

eburke

And I agree in toto with one slight twist – if enough of the base gets involved in the party at the Precinct level, then the “base” and the “Party” become one and the same thing.

It’s so easy to do, even a dumb schmuck like me pulled it off.

How easy? Try this link on for size: http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com/

Joshua Persons

I’m not saying Angle et al. were the best candidates, but they WON THEIR PRIMARY. It was the Republican voters of the state of Nevada that elected Angle as their chosen candidate, not some scary shadowy Tea Party conspiracy. You need to tone down your rhetoric.

eburke

In fact, you are dead on.

As I commented up-thread, if the base *becomes* the Party, then voila! Issue solved.

http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

The people of the states voted in those candidates. They knew what they were doing and what the stakes were. If there was any trickery at all, it would have been from non-Republicans voting in the primary.

That’s something we can fix.

And the other thing we can fix is to put in a new RNC chair who doesn’t waste the party’s money on kinky nightclubs and his own book tour. That way the RNC can actually afford its 72 hour GOTV operation with boots on the ground. Angle and Buck should have won their races. They didn’t because there was no GOTV *at all* for them. O’Donnell had her own problems but part of what she did was to be the shiny new toy who distracted Democrats from other good Tea Party Republican candidates who did win their races.

Old_Dominion

Alaska. His charge is increasing membership in the Senate Republican Conference. Much like national Democrats didn’t ultimately give much of a hoot in the Lieberman/Lamont race because they knew the winner would caucus with the Democrats, someone like Cornyn can’t be all that concerned with a situation like Alaska, because the Democrat wasn’t viable.

Old_Dominion

But it wasn’t just Republican primary voters, although they too had their own role which they have every right to.

The larger point is that Cornyn was right in each of these races. Had the NRSC-supported candidate won in each state, then there would be three more Republicans in the Senate this January.

rowdydfw

WE recruited new blood in the Senate and sent them there to listen to us, not John Cornyn. We’re going to do the same thing in 2012 whether John Cornyn likes it or NOT.

John Cornyn himself does not listen to his constituents. I will give him credit that he does answer your correspondence but it’s usually full of bufoonery and sidesteps.

There’s already a movement in Texas taking aim at finding us a senator, actually TWO of them, willing to go to Washington and represent the people instead of the party’s interests. He doesn’t get it that if senators listen to the people, then the people will take care of the party’s posterity in Washington DC.

Old_Dominion

But it’s not the RNC or NRSC’s fault that Buck and Angle lost.

Do you have any doubt that Sue Lowden and Jane Norton would have outperformed them? In Nevada it probably would have been enough to put Lowden over the top, in Colorado it certainly would have been enough.

texasgalt

Old_Dominion, what ever happened to Trey Grayson?

We’d be saying Senator Buck right now, had not the jackwagon Cornyn dumped his whole pot on Carly California, who proved to be a terrible candidate, as conservatives knew she would be. Yeah, that crystal ball is really clear after the election, huh?

As for Cornyn, he’ll hear from TX conservatives in 2014.

http://www.rightklik.net rightklik

It’s Cornyn vs. DeMint. Cornyn represents the plutocracy, Demint is standing up for the rest of our republic.

fpete13527

Angle and Buck are EXACTLY what is WANTED AND NEEDED, both by those respective states and for the SENATE overall. The PEOPLE picked the right candidates.

CORNYN, did the maximum possible to NOT support these candidates because he knew that it would be harder for him to continue his progressive RINO, wimp, liberal, porkfest operations.

CORNYN knew that with quality candidates like Buck, Angle, and Miller that his days would be numbered ? as they absolutely should be!

CORNYN is the worst of the worst of the worst.

Buck, Angle, and Miller are the best of the best.

My life between now and 2012 will be about putting more like Buck, Angle, and Miller in every branch of government from my REC city council precincts – right on up to Senate.

It will also be dedicated to do everything possible to have those like CORNYN/CRIST?OUT.

Philip

I just got finishing spanking Senator Kay, along with many others, over Earmarks and will have to go back for NPR and now this? I try to be supportive of my Brother and Sister Texans but Mr. Coryn needs to WAKE UP!

http://www.rightklik.net rightklik

to support the theory that Sue and Jane were strong enough to beat Harry and Michael even though they weren’t strong enough to beat Sharon and Ken.

victrola

The reason why we don’t have 3 additional Senate seats is almost purely because of candidate quality. That’s really frustrating, and something needs to change. (and the answer is not just higher turnout, we shouldn’t be cutting it that close and 2010 was a blowout for Republicans)

I do think Cornyn has been incompetent (along with Steele), but I disagree that the NRSC as an organization should be completely hands off when it comes to candidate selection,

It’s all on a case-by-case basis, but when someone tries to say run for a Senate seat and has ZERO elected experience, that should set off warnings that this person could blow a Senate seat for us.

I can definitely think of exceptions, but shouldn’t a committed Conservative work his way up the ladder first? How about running for State Senate first? Just because a kid might have some talent doesn’t mean he goes right into the Major League, he needs seasoning in the minors first.

I honestly do not believe that Cornyn wakes up in the morning and tries to torpedo conservative Senate candidates. I actually believe he is a conservative, and wants to see our movement succeed. He’s made some bad calls (like with Rubio) but I think he wants candidates that can win, and sometimes the candidate that can actually win the race isn’t the most conservative one in the primary.

calgacus

I’ll keep my fingers crossed but somehow I am skeptical. I think the truth is, and everybody knows it, that without Jim DeMint there never would have been Marco Rubio or Pat Toomey or several others.

calgacus

I can only think of Deleware – Mike Castle. I do not think Sue Lowden, the choice of the NRSC was doing any better in polls than Sharron Angle – esp. after BarterGate. Also, Angle did have elected experience and was not endorsed by DeMint in the primary, only once she had already won the primary, did he endorse her.

IJB

That’s the problem with the NRSC – it’s ‘incumbent protection’ first, and electing Republicans *second*.

That’s why the NRSC should be split into two organizations – one dedicated to incumbent-protection and maintaining the “good ol’ boy’s club”, an organization the rest of us can safely ignore; and a new election committee whose *primary* purpose is electing Republicans to the Senate regardless of who’s currently there.

As long as the NRSC continues to focus on the first goal, and not the second, it’s going to be roundly ignored and despised by the rank-and-file…

JSobieski

I am inclined the believe that Jane would have done no better in CO. However, given the attackes used against Angle, I don’t see how they could have worked against Sue. She would have been less susceptible to the “radical” meme thatn Angle was.

Primary campaigns are different than general election campaigns. For a good example of that principle, look to Alaska. Murkowski lost the primary but apparently was a stronger general election candidate.

Some factors to consider in evaluating this issue:
(1) what was the margin of victory in the primary?
(2) what was the turnout in the primary?
(3) did the primary opponent raise arguments in the primary that would ultimately be raised in the general?

I am content with my support of Angle, Buck, and Miller–no regrets. That said, the winner of a primary is not necessarily to strongest general election candidate.

IJB

I’m unconvinced that *any* of the three NV GOP candidates could have won NV – that election was obviously stolen lock, stock & barrel by Harry Reid and his crew (there’s really no other way to explain a *9 point swing* in under 24-48 hours…). So I don’t think it would have matter who was the GOP candidate in that race.

CO, OTOH, I think is one that we could have won – Buck made a lot of mistakes, and was not the best candidate we could have run there. I personally suspect that Jane Norton would have beaten Bennet, though I have no way to prove that.

OTOOH, I suspect we would have lost DE even with Castle…

http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

Doing thr same things over and over again hoping for different results?

What? He doesn’t want different results? Oh… then he just likely a corrupt RINO who needs to go then…

The_Gadfly

Murkowski ceased to be the Republican candidate when she lost the primary. If his job is to increase the Republican caucus, at that point his job became to elect Joe Miller. And that means enforcing party discipline by doing things like removing her from Committee Chairs if she fails to follow party rules.

On the other hand, if what he is engaged in is incumbency protection, what he did follows logically. Same for Lieberman and the Dems. What I will grant the Dems is they hewed closer to correct party response with Lieberman.

The_Gadfly

the false assumption that because things have tended to happen in a certain way in the past, they will continue to happen that way in the future. In the old Senate you moved up only when the old dog died. Then his Jr. moved in and used the same tactics to maintain control until he died. The Big 0 changed all that but some Senators haven’t figure that out yet.

cam1

“John C.” is no friend to the new revitalized conservative movement in the Republican party. He is worse than a RINO. He’s a member of the “country club” and cares only about his power. It’s up to you Texans to take his job from him.

The_Gadfly

and verging on violation of site rules.

Angle was “lunatic” and “belongs in a mental institution”?

They talk that way over at Kos, HuffPost, and Firedog Lake. If you want to talk that way about Republicans you are welcome to join them. Otherwise apologize for your behavior.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

No, it’s not enough to retaliate by pulling all ground support. See Colorado, Nevada, Washington.

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

It’s ok if your group gets involved, but not others.

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

Thanks in advance.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

She was an absolute disaster. By the end of the primary volunteers were fleeing her petty ads and gender games. Cornyn stepped in it big time by supporting her in the primary. Bennet used those same attacks to derail Buck in the general. They were false, but the fact that she had used them gave them an air of legitimacy. And if the NRSC had funded a ground game, the race would have been won.

Jack_Savage

If Cornyn had his way, Charlie Crist and Mike Castle would be Republican Senators and Arlen Specter would still be fouling the halls of the Senate as a Republican. I’ll pass.

A Republican winning an election and achieving a conservative victory for this country are two different things. There is no worse lie than one which is very close to the truth.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

And all those candidates were polling ahead of their opponents. They should have won, and could have if Cornyn had backed them with a competent ground game instead of flushing money down the toilet in California.

IJB

…for the overall *Party* committees to get involved in internal primary struggles – their job is to promote the Party overall, not to promote one faction of the Party over the other.

The latter *is* the legitimate job of outside (non-Party) groups.

IJB

If you want to lay the “turnout” argument at anyone’s feet, focus on the RNC and Steele – that’s *their* job.

Viator

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Including the following Republicans:

* Jeff Sessions, Alabama, Ranking Member
* Orrin Hatch, Utah
* Chuck Grassley, Iowa
* Jon Kyl, Arizona
* Lindsey Graham, South Carolina
* John Cornyn, Texas
* Tom Coburn, Oklahoma

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/11/coica-web-censorship-bill/

JoeG

The NRSC is created to keep electing themselves. Senators aren’t going to support kicking their colleagues out.

What we should be mad at is them picking people in open primaries.

itrytobenice

Senators are the ones who raise money for the NRSC and they’re never going to work and solicit funds for a group that might recruit their primary opponent.

If they will just stay out of the primaries and recruit candidates for the open seats, they’ve done all they can practically do. That’s where Cornyn made us all mad, was by sticking his nose into the FL primary, choosing Crist over Rubio when it was an open seat.

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

Just like the other groups are trying to do. Well, some of them anyway.

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

He was inexperienced, and it showed throughout the race, but especially at the end. Sure, a lot of it was unfair and twisted, but that’s how politics goes. There’s a hundred reasons why Buck lost, the lack of GOTV was only one of them. A big part of it was he allowed Bennet to run against his own record successfully.

Randy

All of them must go…… period

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

with the normal GOTV effort. It would be much harder to prove. I wouldn’t begin to try to prove it either way, but there’s more than one reason why Buck lost.

Adjoran

Cornyn “worse than a RINO” – with his 93 LIFETIME rating from ACU?

Jim DeMint voted to reelect him as Chairman. Is Jim RINO, too?

I heard some screaming “RINO” at Imhofe because he didn’t participate in the dog-and-pony show of banning earmarks – the guy sports a 98 lifetime score; no one who’s served as long as he has EVER made that before.

Seems to me people are throwing around “RINO” like Al Sharpton cries “RACISM!” It’s meaningless, and just a smear against those who disagree with you on any issue, even slightly.

After a while, people start to write off those frothing at the mouth and shouting invectives.

Adjoran

The NRSC’s purpose isn’t to promote conservatives, it is to reelect Republican Senators first, and secondly to elect Republicans to take Democratic seats. That’s what it is there for.

Candidate recruitment has always been a part of it, but not such a big part because in any given cycle there are only so many seats we can compete for that haven’t already attracted candidates. When the NRSC doesn’t recruit a strong candidate, as in NY for example, they get criticized, but then when they recruit someone with better electoral prospects but imperfect, they also get the heat.

america1st

The NRSC can do all the recruiting they want – and I hope they do, doing it well.

BUT KEEP OUT OF THE PRIMARIES !!!

AND SUPPORT THE WINNERS THEREOF.

Angle, Buck & Miller were all winnable races. Rubio won *despite* Cornyn, as did Toomey & others.

If there is any lesson to be learned from this election, it is to stop putting money into the Left Coast People’s Republik of Flakes, Fruits & Nuts. If Fiorina & Whitman couldn’t win over babs babble and jerry spacecadet in 2010, then it is time to abandon it to the mexicans, jackasses, parasites & lemmings (who will finish turning it into a new Bangladesh inside of a decade) and bring the few Americans remaining there to other parts of this country.

america1st

If Cornyn repeats his primary interventions the next time, it certainly will be essential to find him a porch with a nice view in 2014.

izoneguy

That would really make the DC insiders sick…..

I doubt Rick would want to go work in a swamp when he already lives in the best place in America.

http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

and he would not be my first choice, but not a bad compromise candidate also.

http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

and he would not be my first choice, but not a bad compromise candidate also.

nvrepub

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nvrepub

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IJB

Split the NRSC into two committees. I’ll keep mentioning it in hopes that someone will realize it’s that, or bust, for the NRSC (at least with small donors)…

texasgalt

It’s your neck of the woods. . .but it was a pretty tight race and it wouldn’t have taken much to swing the results.

A decent candidate for Governor might have made the most difference.

texasgalt

I take him at his word that he wants to de-emphasize the impact of DC on the states.

cwilson

eburke

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