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Who Made Them God?

“If this plan passes we’ll be back at this in ten years …. The leviathan’s hunger cannot be contained unless we have the will to gut it.”

To listen to the news coverage today, Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles have become deities. No doubt Barack Obama will be jealous.

The coverage of this Deficit Commission plan is ludicrous. The reporters breathlessly reporting on it are overwrought in ecstasy, but few of them actually understand what they are talking about.

It’s just . . . it’s just . . . bipartisan.

Bend over America. The Bipartisan Ship is coming. Good Lord. Our only moderate saving grace is that the Commission does not have the votes to make the report “official.”

Look, the plan has some good ideas. Getting rid of tax exemptions that were obtained by lobbyists for the privileged few is a good idea. Getting rid of the home mortgage deduction would amount to a huge tax increase, though it is arguably offset by lower overall rates.

Some conservatives will argue that scrapping any tax exemption for any group is a tax increase. But many of those tax exemptions and deductions were obtained by big business to put them at a competitive advantage to competing entrepreneurs who can’t afford the lobbyist. I’m in favor of getting rid of those.

Likewise, the quest for these exemptions and deductions has had a corrupting influence within the conservative movement as businesses pay conservatives to support particular tax exemptions and deductions regardless of the merit. Some of the most vocal critics of streamlining the tax process in this country are coin operated conservatives who profit from lobbying for individual exemptions to benefit individual companies at the expense of everyone else.

Bringing less complication and inequity to the tax code is a good thing and is arguably very pro-growth.

But that’s about the sum of the good in the plan. The plan does not take on Obamacare, which we already know is unsustainable and will lead to ruin.

Likewise, the Deficit Commission presumes we will have long term higher taxes in relation to GDP than we have historically had and also presumes we will have a much larger government that we’ve historically ever had.

That is both foolish and unacceptable. No conservative can support a plan that presupposes the last decade’s excessive government spending as the norm. The presuppositions of this plan are fatal to ever reining in government and reducing the burden of government on Americans. Likewise, those presuppositions are premised on the fallacy that tax increases will not affect the behavior of taxpayers.

Supporting this plan supports the idea of the leviathan. And let’s make no mistake about it. If this plan passes we’ll be back at this in ten years. Why? Because any plan that presupposes the federal government can continue to play the role of the leviathan in all areas of our lives presupposes that the leviathan must continue to be fed from all areas of our lives. The leviathan’s hunger cannot be contained unless we have the will to gut it.

The only way to truly reduce the deficit is to get Washington to get out of our lives, privatize social security, and hand back the power of education, health care policy, and transportation to the states.

COMMENTS

  • fpete13527

    Perfectly stated here and on the radio last night.

    And oh by the way, if there must be further examples that validate the complete invalidity of this complete MESS of an idea, simply look at Europe right now.

    Europe, who represents at least a good portion of these spending concepts and proposals, is nearly on the verge of complete bankruptcy and rioting in the streets. And they are asking the US to bail them out.

    The ghost of Christmas future if we went down this bogus path.

  • http://teapartisan.wordpress.com Socrates

    This commission has always been a disengenous joke. I’m sure the individual squishes involved believe they are doing great things for the Republic, and all, but come on. The impetus for this commission came from Obama, who, having spent more money than any person in the history of money, decided he needed to play both sides of the issue.

    So this “debt” and “deficit” commission, not a spending commission.

    This government needs to be slashed on the order of 50% just to get back to being oversized.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • gamechange11two

    I’ve always thought anything over 15% is kleptocracy. Now there’s something to rally around: the 15% government. That should eliminate most of the unconstitutional flippity-flab we’ve acquired over the last 100 years.

  • wolfeman

    Just think, if this panel was made up of men with lesser minds there’s no telling what may have happened. They may have recommended something really stupid, like abolishing the IRS, implementing a comsumption tax, and letting the state departments of revenue be responsible for collecting the taxes with thier current infrastructure. They could actually downsize considerably since they’d be collecting thier cut along with the federal cut as a sales tax. The IRS would need to consist of what, a couple of hundred employees to process the funds from the 50 states? They have well over 100,000 now with a budget over 12 billion and growing by about a half billion each year. That would be a pretty significant cut not to mention the stimulitive effect it would have on the economy. But what do I know? I’m just a knucle dragging hillbilly with only a high school education. Thank goodness for those masterminds on the deficit commission!

  • Michael Dugas

    Our tax dollars through the IMF. Watch it’s a done deal.

  • Scope

    Unless you are for no taxation, the IRS is necessary to a degree. The consumption tax is as destructive as are the federal income taxes, and, possibly worse. I don’t agree with your suggestions, if that is what they were.

  • IJB

    So the Commission is irrelevant anyway.

  • renny

    and ilk who have created the deficit/debt crisis deliberately in order to call for tax raises so they can spend more money.
    Bork’em. No compromise, No quarter.

  • JSobieski

    Think of how much domestic productivity would be harnessed if only consumption was taxed, and production was unfettered?

  • calgacus

    The question is “Is it better”? If it does move things overall in the right direction then we should support it. Incrementalism is good, so long as we incrementally move in the right direction (which has never happened).

  • http://www.nucre8ion.org nucre8ion

    Why does Uncle Sam require more than God?

  • brubey

    Why are we not revoking the tax-exempt status of all churches, synagogues and mosques? All are really businesses in disguise and nearly all make a profit. They should all be taxed upon their income and holdings.

  • politicalqrm

    comment regarding the commission’s findings. He was adamant about getting out of this mess and how the country is in a dangerous financial situation.

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  • politicalqrm

    I meant to say that the same people who are screaming about cutting and the financial problems we are in are the same people who got us into this mess. I saw Judd Gregg’s comments on FOX and I actually laughed. The man is sounding an alarm about the US money problems and he was one of the people who spent the money! Thank God he is retiring. We will not miss him

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • gamechange11two

    Then we can talk about 10.

  • raphaelhythloday

    All things considered, a tax code with no deductions reduces the power of the Central Government to dictate how we spend that portion of the money we earn that they allow us to keep; it also reduces the power of the Central Government to show favor to one industry or firm over others. Does anyone believe, however, that the ruling class will ever eliminate tax loopholes and suffer the resultant reduction of power? To engage in such folly is to be trapped into a game of whack-a-mole. Can we all think of the class of ?worthy? examples of exceptions to the no-loophole rule?

    Let?s be done with the whole business and repeal the 16th amendment. We should not be na?ve enough to think that this move is a panacea (There is no free lunch.), but it would knock one leg out from under Leviathan. I say we give it a shot.

  • scottb

    Erick sounds like a Bush supporter wanting to privatize S.S. Besides if they did that who would congress and the president have to rob for their pet projects? In my opinion the quickest way out of this mess is a “fair tax”. every body pays the same percentage of their income, rich and poor alike. These hand-outs have to stop and that includes foreign nations. We don’t have the money. More tariff needs to be put on foreign goods. what they are paying now is ridiculous. We need to be responsible for our own health care but take care of the seniors as they have paid for the right to receive help along with veterans.
    The voting to raise salaries in all steps of Govt. needs to stop. We hire them and we fire them and we need to be able to say how much they get paid. If all the wasteful spending were halted, including the presidents flying around the nation campaigning for their cronies would save billions.
    The people know how to save and scrimp and we don’t some 18 panel full of cronies which are a part of the problem and certainly not the solution.

  • scottb

    Erick sounds like a Bush supporter wanting to privatize S.S. Besides if they did that who would congress and the president have to rob for their pet projects? In my opinion the quickest way out of this mess is a “fair tax”. every body pays the same percentage of their income, rich and poor alike. These hand-outs have to stop and that includes foreign nations. We don’t have the money. More tariff needs to be put on foreign goods. what they are paying now is ridiculous. We need to be responsible for our own health care but take care of the seniors as they have paid for the right to receive help along with veterans.
    The voting to raise salaries in all steps of Govt. needs to stop. We hire them and we fire them and we need to be able to say how much they get paid. If all the wasteful spending were halted, including the presidents flying around the nation campaigning for their cronies would save billions.
    The people know how to save and scrimp and we don’t some 18 panel full of cronies which are a part of the problem and certainly not the solution.

  • Sean (SIConservative)

    Privatizing Social Security doesn’t get government out of peoples’ lives. Abolishing it does.

  • Kyle-MI

    Sounds like a great idea on paper, but it isn’t going to happen.

    The senior vampires have been drinking the youth’s blood for too long. They won’t let go even if we promise that the changes would only affect those under 50. Nothing is going to happen until the system collapses.

    It still amazes me that anyone under 40 believes SS will be there when they are ready for retirement. There will not be enough young voters to overcome the vampires until we are at the brink of destruction.

  • Sean (SIConservative)
  • biglarryk56

    Naturally, you think that consumption taxes are destructive, butyou don’t say ANYTHING to back it up. And that irritates me to no end.

  • biglarryk56

    Notice how all the pieces of crap we have to put up with (income taxes, the Fed, Prohibition, popular election of senators) all came from the same period…the “progessive” era of Woodrow Wilson? And look what we got for it…I agree, repeal the 16th amendment, then repeal the 17th amendment and let the state legislatures elect the senators to represent the STATES’ interests as the Founder intended. The Fed has always been unconstitutional in my opinion, but if it has to stay, a complete audit, as required under Ron Paul’s HR 1207 (300 plus co-sponsors, but Pelosi, Frank, Rangel, and the other buttheads won’t even allow a floor vote) would ve a good step forward. At least, after seeing all the corruption and crime it caused, the country had the good sense to repeal Prohibition.

  • bwakefield

    I found the Debt Panels recommendations interesting and very challenging. I agree we have to do something. However I offer the following for consideration:
    Only government is capable of creating such immense waste and programs that once implemented never go away. I liken this to the family who in good times buys fur coats, limos, hires a pool boy, goes out to dinner every night, and vacations in Paris for 2 months. When times get tough and the money goes away rather than eliminate the items of “excess” noted above, they stop buying clothes for their kids, don’t pay the water and electric bills, run up their charge cards bills, while still living the life of excess. Their visual attempt at debt reduction is just that only visual. We know an individual family can’t do this for long. But government(s) can because they are working with our money. Governments and for that mater “Debt Panels” never get to the real waste.
    Case in point, Alan Simpson and his ilk, when in congress, raided the Social Security System with impunity. That is why SS is insolvent. Now they want to fix a problem they caused by asking those of us who paid into it to take it on the chin for America, What hypocrites.
    Speaking of keeping your “fur coat and limo” in hard times I was shocked to see a commercial on TV advertising “free cell phones” But to get one you have to be on one of the Government hand out programs. I went on line to HTTP://assurancewireless.com and found a list of “Government Programs” such as; Medical Assistance, SNAP,TANF, SSI,TDAP, PAA, EUSP, MEAP, I am sure this is just the tip of the iceberg of government “fur coat and limo” programs
    A little investigation into these programs indicates to me they are truly “fur coat and limo” programs that are not addressed or eliminated it this “belt tightening” exercise proposed by the Debt Panel.
    While I agree that something needs to be done with our national budget. This time lets start at the top with the “fur coats and limos” and not look to the working stiffs of America to take it on the chin again.
    Bruce

  • biglarryk56

    SS should never have been started in the first place…thanks, progessives, another idea to save us from ourselves has shown to be an utter failure yet again.

  • Kyle-MI

    You will know by the wailing and gnashing of teeth. Definitely not enough teeth gnashing yet.

    We still have time for a soft landing, but every year we put this off will make the eventual correct more painful.

  • bwakefield

    Kyle, I understand your point. While I am an old vampire now I wasn’t always one. If the government had said to me when I was 20 do you want IN or Out, I would have voted for OUT. But that was not the case. I have paid into the SS system for over 40 years and have not gotten back one dime yet. Give me what I paid into it and I will go away happy. What other entitlement programs do you know of that the recipients paid into it? None! Alan Simpson and the other scum bags of his ilk robbed the SS system anytime they need a few Pork Bucks. It’s the government robbers who have stolen my money and left SS system in ruins for those of you coming along. Now you and the Alan Simpsons of the world want me to take it on the chin for America and give up more of what I paid into the SS system. Kyle I am a senior but not a vampire. Gives us old guys a break. My generation has done a lot of things wrong, LIke not giving the next generation the America that was given to us, for that I am sorry. but SS is not the enemy. Government and all the unpaid for entitlements are.
    Bruce

  • doubledok

    The well-calculated “Fair Tax”, coupled with banning ALL income monitoring of individuals (including state & local) offers many advantages.
    1. Promote savings
    2. Tax gray markets like prostitution and drug dealing, stolen property, illegal aliens, etc
    3. Invite several hundred billion dollars secluded in off-shore shelters back into our investment pool
    4. Provide a magnet for new business development from all-over the world
    5. Incentivize infrastructure investment
    6. Save record-keeping costs & time
    7. Down-size government as the IRS reduces their monitoring by 80%
    8. Disempower congress from redistributing our income with tax exemptions
    9. Tax collected from previously exempt charitables as they purchase goods
    10. Decrease throw-away culture as only new products are taxed
    11. Make equal footing a tenet of the culture
    12. I offer an additonal “Declaration” based exemption – no tax on health care costs of any sort, criminal defense, water, solid food not containing a form of sugar as one of first five ingredients, recreational services (not products). All in the vein of “. . .life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”
    see www.fairtax.org

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • doubledok

    The government is funded proportionally to their effectiveness at governing the for economic success. This may prove to be the ultimate benefit of “the Fair Tax”.

  • JSobieski

    is it really a serious proposition?

    Even folks like DeMint, Coburn, and Ryan vigorously disagree with you. Seems to me that we have all sorts of reforms we need to get to before we get to abolishing SS, something that no elected official endorses.

  • Scope

    It was defeated 11-7, thank you God.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/131841-deficit-panel-votes-down-plan

  • Sean (SIConservative)

    What are the odds on the US paying off it’s $14 trillion debt and $50+ trillion in unfunded obligations?

  • http://opinerlog.blogspot.com jdelaney3

    Only the abolishment of the Education & Energy Depts (for a start), a 33% reduction in the non-military federal workforce, an absolute pay freeze on the non-military workforce, an across-the-board 25% reduction in federal budgets, the imposition of the Fair Tax,and the privatization of SS and healthcare can avert disaster. But not even the most well-intentioned among our so-called leaders will dare go for that. Political courage is at a premium, and it is only by the courageous actions of prinicipled political leaders that our nation’s economic collapse can be averted.

    Besides the lack of political courage on the Hill, there is this unfortunate reality: there are simply too many Americans who have surrendered their self-esteem and self-reliance in exchange for gov’t handouts and entitlements. It is this powerful bloc of folks which will be implacably opposed to any meaningful and substantive remedial actions. Thus, sadly, economic collapse and political upheavel are, I’m afraid, unavoidable.

    Prepare for the worst, folks. It’s going to take a painful calamity to shake Americans out of their dependency.

    Good artilcle, Erick. Your last para nearly said it all.

  • Kyle-MI

    I am planning on it. I do not expect one thin dime from SS by the time I retire. I have made my financial plans accordingly. I could live with that if only I knew the system were being fixed.

    I am angry because the senior voters seem to buy into the liberal demagoguery time and time again. I am angry because they do not even want to compromise. I see them shooting down plans to take a small pittance, 2%, and allow the young to control their own money. But no, all it takes is a bunch of liberal political ads screaming at the top of their lungs, “Privatization, privatization” and the seniors fall in line like good little sheep. It does not matter to the senior vampires that every proposal to fix the system is targeted at those under 50 and would exempt those 50 and over. I am sick of it. If they want to buy into the demagoguery and refuse to compromise, then I have no incentive to try to work with them.

    You will get your money, but your children and grandchildren will be left with nothing. That is the situation in which you are leaving them. And you are refusing any compromise that might fix the problem. Well, as long as you get yours, you should be happy. You will be long dead and gone by the time they face their bleak old age.

  • romeg

    is based on the premise of taxing income. This is the wrong approach to taxation in the first place. It was a bad idea when it was conceived, a worse idea when it was first implemented and has become nightmarish in its present form. It has spawned an entire industry of lobbyists wherein each player attempts to manipulate Congress in a way that favors that lobbyist’s clients.

    But far worse than that is the idea that Government would apply a tax to productivity and production. The very notion is anathema to sensible governance. Production and productivity are desirable goals and INCREASES in those two are desirable outcomes. Taxing them implies that they are undesirable and should, therefore, be discouraged.

    It is time to abandon this foolish notion and strip Congress of this power altogether via repeal of the 16th Amendment.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • mirac777

    Dear Debt Commission. You could have saved a lot of made up theater here and time and money, by just telling the truth. You parasitic tyrants want to tax people more to quench your thirst for power and feed your dillusions of grandeur.

    Just a few observations from an unemployed man who is watching your gladhanding on c-span right now. I find it all-telling that this same group of people seem to feel the need to grandeurize each other for 15-20 minutes before stating their position. Everyone there, we were told, were such great dedicated financial wizards and public servant gods. Did you do this for free then? Every one of you in that room has made your living and millions by sucking off of the taxpayer. I have heard such high praise of one to the other here, that I feel like I am in the middle of a Dr Phil show trying to unite a dysfuntional family that refuses to admit their problems !

    The very same people who have dug us into this mess, seem content to deny their (our gov’t) part in creating the massive debt we are collapsing under today. All while admitting that they wont have the 14 votes to pass the recommendations. Patting each other on the backs for ZERO accomplishments. How nice.

    Which one of you has the guts to tell the people how much this “dedicated service” these “wise wizards” have performed here will cost the lowly taxpayer for your nothing accomplished glad-handing?

    While every single person in the room, ( except 2) sat there on TV, and told us how great, wise, and wonderful they all are, I made one simple observation: Not only is this a poorly written drama at the expense of the taxpayer that will accomplish exactly nothing, but this love-fest of tyrants who got us into this mess leaves me waiting for your last announcement: That you will all adjourn to the Honeymoon suite at the Ritz-Carlton to consumate your oh so wonderful marriage to each other. Yes, I,m sure the taxpayer will foot the bill for it, as is always the case. What a pathetic drama.