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This is one of those posts that must occasionally be written, though I don’t like to write them.

RedState is, above all else, a community site. Anyone can start a diary and participate in the community. Those who play well in the community avoid the blam stick and, over time, we tend to promote from within to the front page.

The way we do promotion is pretty straight forward. We look for people who write quality diaries and are engaging in the comments. Here then is the rub.

I have been negligent in promoting diaries to the front page. I have occasionally asked other front pagers to promote diaries to the front page too, but I get a pretty constant refrain and have seen the same myself — a lot of diaries at the site are short or filled with typos or factual errors or have other problems. Being a largely volunteer run site, it becomes time consuming to fix all the errors to promote something to the front page.

In the last few days I’ve endeavored to get better at it. But I need your help. We have a couple of things happening that combined are causing issues.

First, a good number of you have become very good friends and that is awesome. At the same time, those who have been around a long time and have become friends tend to recommend each others diaries, thereby hurting the chances of a newbie to get on the list. Additionally, many of us tend to stick up for one another and do what amounts to a pile on of a commenter who disagrees or is taken to disagree with a diary or other comment.

We are in danger of developing more Clans than the morons in Twilight — seriously people, to borrow from Caleb, if your boyfriend shimmers in the sun and won’t sleep with you, he’s not a vampire. He’s gay. But I digress.

Second, a number of the diaries are cross posted, which is not a bad thing, but they, coupled with the short form diaries, push a lot of good quality, well thought out diaries off the front page before anyone can see them.

While I don’t want to discourage cross-posting, I do think we all need to work together to find a way to shine the spotlight on quality long-form diaries and, in particular, to encourage new users instead of ganging up on them.

As any community grows, we tend to evolve. Things that were once important sometimes stop being important. Some things that were not important once grow to become important. I suspect that some of the issues we are dealing with result largely from the evolution of and growth of the site.

I personally think the willingness to embrace newcomers at the site, even those with whom we disagree on some issues, is critical to our strength as a site and we must necessarily, even in a time of growth and evolution, always be willing to extend a welcoming hand to those new to the site.

I’m not sure what all the solutions are, but hope we’ll be mindful of some of the problems and work together on this. Feel free to leave a comment with any suggestions or concerns.

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  • rdelbov

    I appreciate your comments and I appreciate your posts. I may disagree with you at times but I appreciate your views.

    I also appreciate the fact that there other front page threads took a different views on recent events then you did. In politics we can be on the same side and disagree on specific bills and tactics.

  • mine

    Wow! It’s this sort of openess and vision that has made Redstate my No 1 news source. Keep up the good work Erick.

  • http://www.ArchitecturalShots.com mdyou

    …and to solidify our conservative bonafides. It’s not that we don’t care to write diaries. We’re here for more eloquent confirmation of what we feel, just may not be articulate enough to express. Or we don’t have the time.

    But we can comment and agree or disagree. The fact that our messages are short doesn’t mean we don’t care. We look forward to expertise that we trust.

    I guess we’re the bitter clingers.

  • penguin2

    I found one of the most helpful things a person could do to get known, is to participate in the community. One doesn’t even have to write diaries, or write them frequently for this to happen. Reading, commenting and/or recommending on others diaries, helps everyone to get to know you, your thoughts and opinions. Then when/if you choose to write a diary, there will be more people who will read your posts.

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    I think what Erick was pointing out is that some of the diaries themselves didn’t live up to what his vision of a diary is supposed to be. I don’t think he was referring to people who just read and comment.

    If you look at the definition given on the diary creation page, it says:

    Important: The diaries section of this site is reserved for pieces of original research, reporting, commentary, or analysis. Brief comments, introductory or welcome messages, or other short posts must be placed in Open Threads which are posted periodically on the front page. Short, fluff diaries are subject to immediate deletion by management.

    Thank you.

    I think the point was that if you are going to publish a diary (which pushes other diaries down and eventually off the front page), it ought to be a serious, well thought-out piece that is worthy of being displayed on the front page of a major national blog.

    @Erick,

    I am fairly new to the site and although it took me a while to get used to the whole ‘recommend’ feature and to see just how it works, I’ll admit (possibly to my peril) that I noticed that the name attached to a diary seems to be a very heavy factor in determining if it makes it to the ‘recommended diary’ list.

    Here’s a solution: keep the ‘recommended’ feature but only moderators can promote diaries from the ‘member diary’ list to the ‘recommended diary’ list. Recommending a diary would then be a way to voice a suggestion to the moderators to promote the diary . . . but it wouldn’t happen automatically.

    Anyway, just my two cents; *dons his flame-retardant EOD suit*

  • Sean (SIConservative)

    One of the things Erick was talking about was little mistakes. Though he was directing it mainly at diaries, some applies to comments as well. Take a careful look at your second paragraph. I think that you missed a word in the first sentence, and “than”, not “then”, is the comparative. They may seem like minor issues, but mistakes like that do matter.

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    Erick, just another suggestion that I’ve been considering for my own website project that will be focused on Florida politics, but you might consider incorporating a forum into RedState.

    Forums are an excellent tool that encourages discussion — and there doesn’t need to be a stringent limit on quality or length for a forum topic. In fact, very short forum posts can lead to long and lively discussions . . . it would also provide a good way to clean up sub-par diary posts by moving them to the forums (as opposed to just deleting them).

    There are many ways to integrate forum software into WordPress that I’ve been looking into; again just a possible suggestion!

    vBulletin, bbPress, or phpbb are popular forum software, with vBulletin being the most popular and professional.

  • Sean (SIConservative)

    There have been times when I wanted to point something out or bring something I thought noteworthy up without having the time or the energy to post a proper diary. At such times I look for an open thread. Normally I find one that’s recent enough, but there have been times when I have just ignored the issue, even though I thought it significant, because there was no appropriate place to bring it up without a full diary. Some others seem inclined to post an extremely brief diary in such circumstances. I think that having at least one open thread every day, or maybe always having one on the front page, might significantly cut down on the shorter diaries.

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    some applies to comments as well.

    Don’t you mean, some “apply” to comments as well?

    I’m certain he meant the diaries, lets not get too nitpicky about comments . . . comments are written train-of-thought with possibly a quick once-over to check for glaring errors or typos. A good diary or blog post will be written, revised, proof-read, and re-proofed before being published.

    Focusing on “than” vs. “then” in a brief comment is a little extreme.

  • rdelbov

    Sean as I key as between work chores I am prone to errors. I rarely check my posts. I appreciate your gentle correction.

    I will work on spelling but can’t promise on Grammar. I wish I could claim Joyce as a model or perhaps St. Paul but rather if thoughts are just not organized into sentences.

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    We need to resolve this.

  • bk

    I tend to use the “tracker” page (Recent Posts). The bad part is what you talked about – new diaries tend scroll of the first page (as opposed to the front page) VERY quickly.

    So it’s kind of a catch-22: It’s great that some nobody like me can join and post an occasional diary, but at the same time it’s frustrating if it seems like it’s gone so fast that no one had a chance to read my wonderful work of art. :-) I’m sure I’ve had dozens of diaries scroll off for every rare one that’s made the recommended list or gotten promoted to the front page.

    Some people may use mainly the front page, but I figure they would tend to the sorts of people whose involvement consists of skimming the briefing as opposed to people who spend a fair amount of time here commenting etc.

    Some people may use the Recommended Diaries list, and those are the ones who are going to care about recommendations. (Duh.) I’ve never worried too much about making recommendations nor getting them (not that it isn’t nice to get them) because I don’t often go by that list. And there probably are a relatively small group of people who tend to get a lot of recommendations due to some combination of the quality of their diaries and their name recognition among people who spend a lot of time here.

    There’s probably no perfect answer – making it as open as you have will invariably lead to some of these kinds of things. But in my humble opinion the good far outweighs the bad, and being liberal (in the good sense) here in terms of how the site is managed is a good thing.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    But LadyPenguin emailed me earlier that RedState has posted more than one “how to” diary/front page pieces as to how new visitors to RS can best join in and become a part of the community. Everyone needs a roadmap.

    Why not reprise one of more of the better ones?

  • powertothepeople

    luxury of an advanced education and will make some mistakes. Even some of us who have gone on to a university may not have strong English skills.

    Or it could be that a person like me is who legally blind and has trouble proofreading. I have to rely on my steady moving memory to remember where I am in the typing and that I used the proper form of the word. The magnified screen only goes so far, outside of that I can only hope people get the gist of what I am trying to say and can excuse my English errors. Try to do the same for such a small mistake.

    Sorry but making a mountain out of a molehill (than to then) was not what Erick was trying to get across. Sort of funny though you brought that issue up when you made a minor mistake by using the word “some” applies when you most like meant “same” applies.

  • Scope

    to have open diaries each day. What I’ve been doing if there is some big breaking news, or to comment on something that would not appropriately fit on any diary, without thread jacking, is to post the comment on the Morning Briefing post. I don’t know if that is appropriate or not, but, I’ve seen others do the same.

  • Read Chesterton

    I wasn’t sure what to think about the diaries that are cross-posted so as to promote other sites. This being an advert supported site put the practice in question in my mind.

    I’m proud to have been an RS member here from almost the beginning, having lost track of my first account name (“Harrison Bergeron” I think) and signing up again. I’m here to stay atuned to real life conservative politics and I’m grateful for the continuing education.

    Oh for the day I find the time to write a diary good enough for the front page.

  • powertothepeople

    I made my own mistake. Figured I better admit my guilt before the Grammar police run me in…

    Last line should be likely not like.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    Hi scorpio,

    I don’t think we’ve ever had a proper conversation before. You’ve got a good grasp on things, and I’d like to add my thoughts to yours, and also touch on few concerns you’ve brought up.

    Redstate is probably unique in that it is a conservative news, activism, and opinion blog that cultivates a strong relationship with its community o f readers by way of diaries, comments, and recommends.

    The front page editors don’t always agree with each other, and the readership doesn’t always agree with the front page. This applies not only to the issues per se, but also to the relative importance of the issues. By the latter I mean that sometimes the FP (front page or pagers) sometimes fail to even mention items the readers want to see covered.

    The relationship its a fantastic formula for helping the FP stay relevant. If they stay very far, you can count on a preponderance of both comments and diaries that show the way too the North Star.

    In that vein, the Rec List must always belong to the readers, 100%. It is the readers’ expression of what is most on their minds. It can never be an ‘Editors Choice’, because we already know what’s on the minds of the editors by what they publish down the middle column.

    The rec list is not perfect, and there its a fair criticism leveled against it that there is a problem with cronyism. And yes, certain writers get reccos even for throwing out a ham sandwich and calling it a diary.

    Cronyism in this matter is unavoidable, and it calls on self discipline and sometimes gentle reminders (hence this missive from the Big Dog Erick) to keep in check. But it is perfectly natural to scan the list, look for the writings of friends, or of people you don’t know but have recommended you or commented in your diaries before, and if it’s well done, give it a rec. Sometimes you build a comstituency by reaching out and helping others.

    But I also submit that ithe rec list s not free from the wonderful cleansing effects of Darwin. All diaries are not equal. Some people are good and expressive writers. And some, not so much. Some people are just french fries, some topics are not all that compelling, and some people are moderates or worse. And to be blunt and unkind, some people put more effort and love into their work than others do.

    All of that is reflected in the rec list. Therefore the rec list is a multi layered item. Frankly, it only takes usually 8 lor so recs to get there, so those who might be considered the ‘in’ crowd do not exactly have ir locked down.

    So whatever its problems, we can work on them without a wholesale change of direction. To sum up, these avenues of reader participation are how the management knows where the parade is going so they can stay in front of it.

    Ps – apologies for typos. I did this whole thing on my phome keypad.

  • Scope

    and I agree about the newbie diaries not getting the credit some of them should get. There are some very talented and articulate new people entering diaries, and yes, they are gone before anyone has had a chance to see them. We have gotten some wonderful new front pagers, that all have brought different subjects, and different perspectives to RS.

    I laughed when I read- “We are in danger of developing more clans than the morons in Twighlight.” What a great non-offensive way of saying something that is so true. Thank you also for including language about those that tend to pile on.

  • techsan

    I’m an avid reader…occasional commenter…and even less occasional diarist.

    In a couple of cases, I found an interesting article which I wanted to share. I put a link, small blockquote, and a couple of sentences of comment. I then proceeded to receive constructive/respectful feedback that I needed to expand further. I didn’t have time/desire to do so at the time.

    I’ve been thinking Twitter is built for this, but it’s too far on the other end of the spectrum…too short.

    I agree, then, that an mid-length quick-hits area would be well received (at least by me).

  • AceInTX

    Red hot used to serve this purpose some what…only make it available to everyone…where we can go and post short blurbs like…”What do you guys think of A and how it relates to B”…and let the debate happen freely.

    I miss the days on RS 2 when we’d have 300 post threads where we’d all pick over each others posts and work out the weaknesses in each others arguments.

  • AceInTX

    I like debate…and a chance to see thoughts fully fleshed out…drive by one line comments just bore me

  • AceInTX

    they just scroll off into oblivion

  • AceInTX

    1) Make the recos expire more quickly on the reco list:

    I’ve quit looking at the Reco List because it doesn’t change from day to day any more…maybe make it scoll so when the top diary has been on to for a full day…it drops off

    2) Add a button to browse to older member diaries:

    We had this on 2.0 and it went away on 3.0 and beyond. make it so you can go back to expired diaries that you’ve missed if you are away for a day or two.

    3) Ad a “Pop Off” Forum for short posts:

    Scorpio suggested a forum format. This would solve the problem of a poster having something important to call everyone’s attention to that they may not be able to expand into a diary feeling the need to post a too short diary which EVERYONE hates when it happened.

    finally….I wouldn’t worry about the clannish tendencies of longer term members…clicks form…and clicks break apart as the issues of the day change…I find myself joining a click with people today…who couldn’t stand me when I was having such a difficult time swallowing McCain as our nominee…and visa versa… some people I naturally allied with then have faced off with me recently over one issue or another.

    .

  • AceInTX

    nothing said in the heat of debate should be enough to drive anyone away from here….

    This ain’t the place for a thin skin. Don’t take it too seriously and shrug it off some times.

  • IJB

    I remember I was looking for one of them one time, and was shocked it wasn’t linked to anywhere, even from the ‘Contacts’ page.

    The “How To Write a Proper Diary”, etc. Diaries need to be readily available via linkage (and so commenters like me can easily link to them in a comment to improper new user diaries).

  • IJB

    ‘Confirm Them’ was an example of a good ‘spin-off’ site from RedState that I guess ran up against its natural life-cycle and fizzled out.

    But I think RedState needs more spin-off/sister sites like that.

    And an obvious one I think we need is something like a RedState version of the Swing State Project (SSP) site (call it ‘The Purple State Project’ or something). But there’s something wrong when the only people who are putting out their own redistricting maps are the users of SSP, nearly all of whom are putting out maps that favor *The Left*. We need something like that on our side, so we have something to go in with when we start contacting Republican legislatures and legislators around the country about Redistricting.

    This kind of thing doesn’t really fit in here on this site. But it would fit in to our answer to SSP… :)

  • acat

    (removes grammar pedant hat)

    A caveat to your thin skinned warning .. it does cut both ways – we risk driving away the n00bs who haven’t yet seen some of the verbal full-on battle-royales end with the opponents giving each other a slap on the back … and then agreeing in a later diary… It can be a little intimidating.

    Mew

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    I was absolutely STUNNED when I showed up at the RedState Gathering this year to find that so many people recognized me by my screen name. I don’t write diaries much and I tend to comment in waves, so I always figured I was an unknown. I’m never going to make the front page, but I know now that I am an important part of this community.

    It has truly changed my experience here for the better.

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    I was absolutely STUNNED when I showed up at the RedState Gathering this year to find that so many people recognized me by my screen name. I don’t write diaries much and I tend to comment in waves, so I always figured I was an unknown. I’m never going to make the front page, but I know now that I am an important part of this community.

    It has truly changed my experience here for the better.

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    after over 5 years here I still can’t seem to prevent the double post….

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    after over 5 years here I still can’t seem to prevent the double post….

  • IJB

    This will probably work best if it’s not explicitly *Erick’s* job to ‘open’ one: maybe assign one moderator one or two days of the week to post the “Open” Thread – IOW, saym Moe could be in charge of posting the “Open” Thread on Tuesdays; Neil could be in charge of “Open” Threads on Wednesdays; etc.

    It might even be more helpful if the “Open” Threads were posted at a *set* time daily – say around 5pm EST, or something.

    Anyway, just some ideas to throw out there.

    But I definitely agree that a daily “Open” Thread will help.

  • Bill S

    It is a known generator of double posts.

  • Scope

    it has been established, in the commentary at least, that spelling, grammar etc. doesn’t apply to the comments, just the diaries. Myself personally, as long as I get the gist of what someone is saying, it’s a good and valid comment. There are many that comment that use bad grammar or spelling, or who have typos, but, I still like reading what they have to contribute. I appreciate Codevilla’s description of the Country Class, who may not be a Harvard grad, but, in many cases they have more common sense than some of the so-called intellectuals.

  • AceInTX

    I hate typing something and having someone point it out or finding it later and thinking…”why did I type it That way.”

    Leon pounced on me one day for typing phase as faze…I ended up slapping myself in the fore head and saying…”Dummy”!

    this I’ll say though…I hope Erick hasn’t started a wave like we did a couple years ago of grammar police roaming the threads pointing out every miss spelling.

    I also have a problem dealing with some who used to point to your bad grammar…or inability to spell in the heat of the moment…as proof that your points were invalid…or that you were too stupid to have a point.

  • AceInTX

    shouldn’t short circuit the battles we must some times have

  • AceInTX

    and my fingers are twice the size as most….so typo’s are inevitable…I usually catch them in comments…though I miss most of them in my post titles since it doesn’t spell check and proofing the title is impossible since the words disappear in the box.

    I also tend to type phonetically to get my thoughts down while they’re in my head because I’m ADD and often loose my train of thought mid post…I go back and spell and grammar check later if I have time…

    Bottom line…threads aren’t the place to spell and grammar check…it irritates the hell out of me to put together a well thought out rejoinder to some inanity to have the poster of said inanity come back thumbing his or her nose because you confused “to” with “too” or “two”….(sometimes I hate the English language….who the hell thought up three different ways to spell the same word anyway?)…but I appreciate it when folks help me spell and grammar check my Diaries.

  • AceInTX

    can’t we just spell them the same way?

  • rdelbov

    I must read your posts more closely. I would not be eager to walk around a Redstate gathering wearing a name tag with my posting handle. I would be concerned about being on the business end of a Bob Etheridge moment.

    I must lack charm because I can’t do more then one or two posts with out being called a shill or a tool or a fool or a putzhead or a moron or an idiot.

    Thankfully I am thick skinned plus I am unfamilar with some curse words so I just laugh it off.

  • eastbaylarry

    I stumbled onto the HTML help diary in a comment one day and immediately book marked it because I was not aware that such things existed.

  • eastbaylarry

    and being here mainly for education/information, one thing that I’ve looked for is a list of diary posters and a link to there diaries. Something like:

    EastBayLarry:
    Diaries: 3 {with a link to a list my diaries}
    Comments: 105 {with a link to some kind of list to my comments}
    Other information as suits.

    With this kind of reference, I could make sure I haven’t missed and posts by my favorite posters, (Veronica? Where are you?)

    Also, is there anywhere to find a list of “Categories”? A category link is a great way to find posts on similiar topics, but unless you can find a diary that *has* that category, there is no way to find that list of diaries.

  • AceInTX

    It’s etiquettetoward other members that prompts the rule to not post short diaries.

    The Diary lit is for posts dealing with researched and well thought out opinion pieces…they are not there for single paragraph…and sometimes even sentence long diaries….It’s rude to bump a diary someone may have spent a day or more researching and writing off the list of member diaries with a comment long diary.

    Just don’t do it…if the thought is worth posting on…it’s worth expounding upon by pulling in supporting evidence…thoughts and maybe even pictures and video….if it’s not worth the effort to make it a column length…it’s not worthy to be a diary.

  • nessa

    …it takes you to a page that lists many of the things you seek. Like yours, here

    As for the topics, that’s up to individual authors to include in their posts.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Your Morning Briefing posts are ideal open threads.

    And they’re up every day.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    You can edit your profile and put whatever you want in it. Within site rules of course.

  • AceInTX

    Heh

  • AceInTX

    I must lack charm because I can?t do more then one or two posts with out being called a shill or a tool or a fool or a putzhead or a moron or an idiot.

  • eastbaylarry

    But if I want to go to, for instance, Vassars’ profile, I have to find a diary or comment by him first to get the link.

  • Scope

    true, but, not community building. Try to behave yourself you rascal. LOL

  • acat

    And the last thing I want is grammar police…

    Mew

  • nessa

    …pretty good at finding topics if the topic is mentioned in the text. It will require some wading through stuff though.

  • eastbaylarry

    but I don’t always want to look for something specific. I would like to just ‘browse’ authors and be able to see if they have contributed lately.

    Another commenter above complained that diaries scroll off of the ‘Recent Posts’ list too quickly. I don’t want to have to search for all my favorite posters just to see if one of them has had their diary pushed off of the list since the last time I logged in.

    Maybe I’m just not explaining what’s in my minds’ eye clearly.

  • acat

    just what in the body of my post this is in response to.

    The actual subject of my post was in response to Ace’s “Don’t take anything personally” post. I’m perfectly happy to overlook grammar and spelling – I have some routine spelling misteaks that I haven’t overcome yet.

    I certainly agree with you and apparently Codevilla that country folk have a lot more knowledge about how things really work than ivory tower types. Ask any southerner over about 50 about “college boys”… they’ll tell ya.

    Mew

  • Scope

    some make comments based solely on their own personal impressions or opinions, and, they shouldn’t be held to account for those that believe that only the most intellectual should be allowed to comment. Sometimes the street people have good things to say, and, they don’t always rise to the level of a Harvard education. If they are conservatives, they deserve a seat at the table, because they are on our side. There are some terrific thinkers that don’t always express themselves all that well.

  • rdelbov

    time I see that picture. I love Fred Thompson. Fellow TN guy. Went to Memphis State for undergraduate work. Fred sold men’s suits while he was a student here in the 1960s.

    I supported him in 2008 and still can’t understand why he did not catch fire.

    Here’s something for the post from yesterday. Not every guy who would be a super President has the fire to run for President. Maybe we need three debates and a 50 state same day primary.

    I still don’t know why he did not do better in 2008. Fred

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    Well that certainly makes a lot of sense to me. I knew I would go wrong somewhere! :)

  • acat

    Fortunately for us, Red State makes finding out if somebody is new as simple as a mouse click.

    Just click on their username… and you can see both how long they’ve been around, how active they are, and what they’ve said recently.

    For example, Scope has been here for 2 years and 3 months, has written several diaries and a number of posts, and is in no way a newbie or a n00b.

    I don’t care if someone typoes their way through a comment, if they have something to say. (I do think spell check and grammar check for diaries are a Good Idea though…)

    Mew

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    The recommended diary list has always been and will always be a place for users to recommend stuff.

  • bk

    :-)

  • Brian Simpson
  • Brian Simpson

    It doesn’t have to be a novel, but it does have to exist in order for it to get to the front.

    One big key is to cover your local (state level) politics. If they have a wide-audience appeal, you could find your way to the front.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    make us all proud of our association with Redstate, which has been my ideological home since its inception soon after my conservative epiphany. Despite your younger age than mine, I consider you a conservative and Christian mentor. God bless you brother…and btw, I look young too!

  • promise

    my mind was thinking exactly what you said mdyou!!! But you stated better than I could ever have!! THANKS

  • itrytobenice

    for what it’s great for, which is posting links with a short blurb as to why the link is worth opening.

    When I’m twittering, I’ll find myself with 50 tabs open to articles that someone found that are well worth reading, forwarding to email contacts, researching or diarying about. If your ‘following’ list is composed of intelligent, informed, interested political junkies – as mine is – you can’t help but appreciate all the great screening efforts.

    There are a million conservative blog posts on the internet every day (or maybe a billion – who knows?) and quite a few of them are worth reading, but who in the world can possible read them all? A properly managed twitter account is a great screening tool.

  • IJB

    The other problem with the “Morning Briefing” posts is that they aren’t posted daily (e.g. not over the weekend, and sometimes not even during ‘slow’ (political) weeks, IIRC).

    And I’m not sure it’s fair if Erick is bearing the brunt of the responsibility for coming up with ‘Open’ Threads.

    I’d still suggest a daily, explicitly *labeled* Open Threads, preferably posted in the afternoons, and with the responsibility for putting them up rotated among the moderators. (The ‘Morning Briefing’ posts can then act as quasi-”morning Open Threads”…)

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I don’t feel bad having him do the briefing :)

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

    In the vein started by EBL for making sure we don’t miss favorite authors.

    Either onsite like an alternate frontpage with MY favorites or just an email with a link to a new post.

  • IJB

    That was the other place I once searched, along with the Contact page, when I was looking for the “Guidelines for Diaries” diary (as well as the HTML Help Diary), and neither of these show up on the ‘Help’ Page.

    Pretty much the only thing on the ‘Help’ page are the very general rules for posting (e.g. “No profanity”).

    The ‘Help’ Page definitely could use a lot more fleshing out…

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

    thanks.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    So, for example, http://www.redstate.com/erick/rss

  • antisocial

    That would make this my only site. If we can have a section on news that would be really great. I end up going to sites like hotair, NRO, drudgereport and finally come back here for perspective from my favorite posters. I realize that would be a separate operation in itself. Maybe we could have volunteers do that.

  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

    I admit to reco’ing diaries from friends here, as I have made a few in my year and 2/3rds here. As a result, I am guilty of overlooking what have been quite a few quality diaries. I have also missed some from newbies, at least, those who have been members here for less time than I. But RedState has attracted several quality writers since I joined, and they do deserve recognition.

    I guess my big regret here is that the Recommended Diaries column has room for only 10 diaries.

    To Erick, thanks for this insight.

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics
  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

    And to RoguePolitis, I have some favorite authors whose RSS feeds I have listed in my bookmarks. Neil’s advice below works, as does simply clicking on the RSS icon in the address bar, in FireFox anyway, when you have a particular favorite’s diary pulled up. That can then be saved to a bookmarks folder for RSS feeds you subscribe to.

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics
  • http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

    I’m pretty new here, although technically I signed up 6 months ago. I was focused on local Colorado blogs during the elections. I think it would be great if we could sort people by state – have a “Colorado brigade”, etc. It wouldn’t have to be a separate site; it could be a category for state related diaries. As redstate grows, I think this could be a good way to organize things and generate more conservative blogging in swing states.

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    The thing I like so much about RedState is that is is more of a traditional blog, well multiuser blog . . . but even more than that. It is a true idea forge in the way that it allows voices from below to rise up. If you added news amalgamation in the way that hotair does, it would totally change the feel of the site.

    What I usually do is check out news sites local to my state and hometown, see if anything interesting is going on, then hit Drudge and HotAir and then finally spend the bulk of my time here . . . reading the front page, then delving into diaries which is the most interesting part. If something along the way sets me off then I’ll write one :)

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Wouldn’t it just push down the member diaries in terms of prominence?

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    and I know that’s the problem. My husband tends to use Firefox and I use IE (that way I don’t open up his email or Facebook page, and vice versa). I’ve avoided Chrome because…well, it’s Google :) I really do have to look at my options.

  • bk

    There’s not a “first page” of recent posts – it’s the ONLY page of recent posts.

  • bk
  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    There’s a search bar on the front page that says “Get Local” where you can select your state and see the recent posts that tag you state in them. I periodically peruse that feature for Florida.

    You can also look up articles by tag. Just enter the URL in this format:

    http://www.redstate.com/tags/index.php?tag=sarah-palin

    As an example.

  • IJB

    You’re right – the HTML help post is linked to from the ‘Help’ Page. My bad.

    But the “Guidelines for Diaries” post is not there, and it should be.

  • jccbin

    needs to be long and expounded upon.

    As a former newspaper editor, I can attest to many of these diaries, and front page posts, being nothing more than ego-driven research-fests; “mine is bigger than yours.”

    I’m sorry guys, but I have no interest in being FORCED to read thousands of words to get to a point that could have been properly expressed in a couple hundred words.

    Offering the option of looking at your footnotes is fine, but don’t make me read through your research/drivel/self-aggrandizement if I don’t want to.

  • jccbin

    is the soul of wit is the thing I keep in mind when writing. I think it is horrible that the modus operandi of the site is to give the LENGTH of any diary any weight in whether to allow or promote it.

    Seriously. Your goal may be to encourage thoughtful, well-done work, but the result is academic overkill.

    I would fire any writer who could give me their entire message in two sentences, but instead made me wade through a thousand words.

    It is an insult to good writing, which is ALWAYS best when brief.

  • Scope

    This was the number one definition of a nOOb-

    noobs

    “Someone who does not know how the world works, what is going on, or anything. They aren’t as new as annoying. A newbie is someone new but isn’t an idiot. A n00b is the most annoying thing on this earth!”

    That was the reason for my question on who determines who are nOObs.

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    I’m a bit of a news & politics junkie, of course, but I appreciate that RedState is more of a home for activism and openly ideological discussion than actual news, plus the nature of the community is good fun. News reporting requires a level of objectivity (or at least the appearance of objectivity) that RS doesn’t pretend (or intend, as far as I can tell) to have. Plus it would presumably add a layer of expense that would have to be paid for by additional revenue.

    I think that adding a news feed would be a bit like a stamp of approval for a wire service or news outlet, unless it’s just an RSS feed. If it were, though, I don’t see how it would add much value, and as scorpio and Neil have pointed out, it would change the nature of the site and make it more difficult for unique voices to have a platform.

    I’m glad that Erick wrote this. I’m a newcomer to RS, and I made a couple of mistakes a first (some too-short diaries and being a bit curt once or twice), but I felt immediately welcomed. There’s probably a permalinked FAQ about diary length, but I didn’t see it before joining in (If there isn’t, it would be helpful). RS is a great place for info and dialogue and the first site where I’ve actually engaged in conversation, instead of merely reading articles and a handful of comments.

  • acat

    I find that slightly hard to believe, Scope.

    Does the definition “A newbie or low-post-volume individual who is either being deliberately obtuse or really does not understand a provable fact or series of facts.” work for you?

    (see also: http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/18-types-of-internet-trolls)

    Mew

  • acat
  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    For some reason it often takes two or three or more clicks of the “Recommend” button and subsequent page reloads for it to actually work . . . When I first started trying to reco diaries I thought it was broken and didn’t work for me and wasn’t for a couple of weeks that I figured out how to make it work.

    Don’t know if its my browser or what but thought I’d mention it as a requested fix!

    Windows 7 x64
    Mozilla Firefox 3.6.12

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    It does not work on my mac (safari) or iPhone (safari). On my work PC (XP pro w/ IE 7), I get an error window (501 error, I think), and then if I wait a second, it reloads the page with my recommendation recorded.

  • izoneguy

    if I post a comment first.

    I am using an iMac and Safari Version 4.0.2 (5530.19)

  • Scope

    My original post asking , who determines who the nOObs are, was in reference to the definition that I supplied, from the Urban dictionary above. What I originally said was that there are people who comment here, that would surely not qualify for the Harvard debating club, but, who have good things to say that are pertinent to our parties positions, or that just add street sense, or country class type comments, not fancy, not profound, not written with world class knowledge. I didn’t say that in any argumentative manner, I was not sarcastic, and I was certainly not speaking down to you. I made an observation, period. Your reply above, as to the definition of Noob, was a newbie, period.

    I posted the definition I was going by, with a direct quote from where I read it. Again, not argumentative, not condescending, not looking to pick any arguments.

    I get back from you two arrogant, condescending, haughty replies. As you pointed out yourself, after being here for 2 years and 3 months, I am very well aware of how to find out how long someone has been here. I’m actually capable of turning my computer on also. Believe it or not, I also know how to turn the water on in my shower.

    I’m quite sorry I actually even replied to any of your comments. I just thought I could exchange some comments with you, as long as Palin, or Social Issues were not involved. I’ll refrain in the future. I don’t do well with arrogant and condescending, especially when they have retorted “because I’m right” to an opinion exchange in the past.

  • acat
  • Scope

    This is an example of what I was trying to say, as to not having Harvard debaters as the best and brightest postsers, but so on target-

    “Are we suppose to stop exhaling, every time you exhale you put out CO2, we need CO2 for trees to grow and to balance out the atmosphere. Co2 rises through the clouds and is returned as O2, we breath in O2 and exhale CO2, it?s other elements that need to0 be curtailed.We also need to stop this ethenal bunk, it cost too much to produce and it also cuts into our corn for food and stock feedings. Drill off shore and into our reserves and refurbish OUR refineries. Gore is a hypocrite anyway, her flys a big jet all over and has a big house which burns a lot of electricity.”

    That was a comment made at The Heritage Foundations “The Foundary” site. I will not link the article, or to the commenter, it doesn’t matter. The comment is filled with typos, common folk sentiment, no links to prove their point, but, absolutely someone on our side, and, someone who “gets it.”

  • acat

    If I were trying to carry on a conversation with this poster, I’d watch for how well he or she reacts to corrections (“You left trees out of the oxygen cycle”… “Al Gore is a he, did you mean Tipper?”) …

    It’s not unheard of for concern trolls to fake dumb… and this piece of a post that, for all I know, you got Becker’s dead white cat to write could really go either way without some additional history or histrionics.

    Mew

  • Scope

    Why have you made it your goal to “watch and correct” what everyone has to say. I was correct in my earlier post. You are an arrogant elitist, who believes that you have the last word, on everything. Clue- Not everyone agrees with you. You require everyone to prove everything they say or post, never backing up anything you say, with any proof of anything, even though you have yet to post much of anything other than your haughty opinions. You have yet to post the first diary. You have yet to give many here credit simply for their opinions, yet, you have many many of your own. You have no ability to offend me, you have no credible positions for me to be offended by. I recognized your superior opinions of yourself early on. You just confirm it every time you post, especially to my comments. You’ve hitched your wagon onto a few, and, you feed off one another in order to make yourselves feel superior. You are not worth even these typed words. Have at it. There are so many things going on in this country, so many Congresspeople to keep an eye on, so many current events to pay attention to, that to continue a round and round conversation with you about nothing important takes my attention away from keeping up with the important things. I have much more desire to stay in the good fight than to pay any more attention to your games of sucker. It might just be me, but, I haven’t personally ever run into a guy that closes all his posts with MEW.

  • HappyBunny

    Or a brain implant.

  • acat

    I replied.

    We disagree on some things. So what? The only place everyone agrees is an echo chamber, and I just don’t see living in one.

    I’m not seeking anything out of my posts, other than to try to get through to some of my potential political allies that, well, we may not always see eye to eye.

    I will not be replying to your posts in the future.

    Mew

  • E Pluribus Unum

    I’m just an old timer here, and your concerns were valid and born out of a desire to make RS as good a place as it can be.

    Plus I see you made an appearance on the Reco List yourself this week. Congratulations and many happy returns!

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil_truth

    …and the hidden stories behind the keyboards.

    I meant to respond on an earlier comment of yours, but it seems to have scrolled off your comments page, But when I read of determination like yours, I need to take my hat off in awe (and be more grateful for what I have that too often I take for granted).