Open Thread

http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ dhorowitz3

The bottom line is that the president doesn’t legislate. Therefore, the White House deal is meaningless until congress takes up its own version. We must not take everything that Obama offered and continue to negotiate that the unemployment welfare gets paid for and is only extended for 4 months. By then, the Republicans better have the guts to end this new permanent entitlement program from becoming the next SSI or Medicaid.

In terms of the temporary nature of the tax deal, I’m not to concerned. Let Obama be saddled with the tax debate in 2012 headed into reelection.

EagleWatcher

n/./t

steve_b25

…and sacrifice still.
“Yesterday, December 7, 1941 – a date which will live in infamy – The United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan…As Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense…With confidence in our armed forces – with the unbounded determination of our people – we will gain the inevitable triumph – so help us God.”
President F.D. Roosevelt – 8th December 1941
The Moderate Republican

http://www.ArchitecturalShots.com mdyou

We’re not out of this yet. Barry obviously hopes that Congress will simply shoot the hostages for him. That’s what he wanted in the first place.

bk

Obama completely threw the left-wing under the bus the other day, then spent speech after speech bad-mouthing the GOP worse than he ever has. He must think his liberal backers are even stupider than they really are, because they know darn well that after dragging them down in this election he’s trying to prop himself up for the next one.

Now we’ve got the left calling Obama an idiot, a narcissist, etc., which were racist codewords when used them prior to last week.

Obama’s heated rhetoric makes him look like a complete idiot. It’s as if John Boehner had walked out of the Obama meeting and announced to the TV cameras, “We know that Obama is a liar and incompetent. This deal gives his side way too much but when you cut deals with Satan you get what little you can.”

It’s looking pretty likely that the big-money people who own the left – all those rich white guys like Soros, Kos, etc. – are going to hire someone else to carry their sword in 2012 primaries now that Obama has served his purpose. I love how this has the chance to splinter the left along ideological and racial lines. I seem to recall that in 1980 they had an incompetent liberal incumbent but the powers that be (i.e. Teddy Kennedy) decided he wasn’t liberal enough. It’s probably the biggest favor liberals have ever done for the country. We can pray 2012 works out as well.

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

Would have been better here.

Here it is:

http://www.redstate.com/bpickle/2010/12/07/obamas-compromise-who-wins-who-looses/#comment-13

For Liberty,

ColdWarrior

romeg

A Harvard Law Professor and all that the Media has made this god/man out to be he certainly has a limited imagination, doesn’t he?

It’s been said that Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

I mean, for goodness sake, Rush Limbaugh used the America Held Hostage theme/meme more than 15 years ago to refer to the liberal take-over of the Federal Government.

I wonder: Are they paying Rush a royalty for its use?

http://vladenblog.tumblr.com Vladimir

larryhh

is anyone else out there hearing that a cloture vote on the DREAM Act/amnesty is coming up on Wednesday? I get daily emails from a group that monitors this very closely (and usually accurately), and they are saying it is on Reid’s agenda for tomorrow. Is this is true, am I the only one a little nervous that the Senate Republicans might do something foolish that might help this pass, or can we safely assume a filibuster would be the GOP response? We only need to filibuster this until the lame ducks go away, because we know amnesty would never see the light of day in the new Congress. Please–can someone put my mind at ease?

Old_Dominion

Upton gets Energy & Commerce, and Jerry Lewis gets replaced as Appropriations chair by the only Congressman than loves pork more than him: Hal Rogers. Somewhere in the heavens Jack Murtha is doing a happy dance…

earlgrey

Old_Dominion

Although I cringe at what will almost assuredly be a deification of Mrs. Edwards, and unwarranted sympathy for her incorrigible husband.

runner12

with both her and her husband’s political beliefs, I feel for what her family must be going through right now.

powertothepeople

years ago. She lived a life where she pushed her liberal progressive agenda right along side her husband. Once she was diagnosed with cancer she was made a deity especially after her husband did what he did.

While I am sorry for the pain she suffered at the end and the pain her family has and will suffer from her disease and death, I just cant find to much sympathy for her.

Sort of like when Pelosi, Obama, and Reid go. I will not throw a party, but I will not shed a tear either.

runner12

reported on this issue. From what he said, it is largely expected not to pass due to the pledge by all Repubs that they would filibuster any legislation until the tax cuts were dealt with. Besides, there would also be many so-called Conservative Dems whom I would suspect would not go for this measure. That being said, I am going to be keeping a close eye tomorrow on what goes down.
This is my two cents, but there is probably someone else out there on RS who could add more input.

runner12

reported on this issue. From what he said, it is largely expected not to pass due to the pledge by all Repubs that they would filibuster any legislation until the tax cuts were dealt with. Besides, there would also be many so-called Conservative Dems whom I would suspect would not go for this measure. That being said, I am going to be keeping a close eye tomorrow on what goes down.
This is my two cents, but there is probably someone else out there on RS who could add more input.

Ann_W

And now w/ my ill gotten ransom I’ll do evil things like employ music teachers for my children, employ handymen to do improvements to my house, and maybe even pay the furniture store down the road for some new furniture.

I know, it would be much better going to a lazy bureaucrat somewhere.

fpete13527

earlgrey

I don’t think the votes are there, but Harry Reid promised he would push this, and so he is following through.

swami7774

Nobody–NOBODY–is talking about “cutting” taxes. I wish that were so, but it isn’t.
The only question is: will anyone’s taxes go UP?
The Democrats and the media(I know–one and the same) are getting away with intentionally miscasting the debate.
Nothing new about that.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/bdpaasch Brian Paasch

Why is the GOP leadership negotiating ANYTHING right now??? The dems still own Congress. Let the dems stew in their own juice. Any “compromise” act that is agreed upon is likely garbage and will do nothing to address voter anger but by being publicly “at the table” the GOP is happily buying a share of the trouble. And the dems are VERY effective at blaming the GOP for bad stuff engineered largely if not entirely by the dems. (Remember the “man on the street questions” asked after the 2008 election? “Who currently controls the US House?” Oh, the Republicans of course.)

So why are the beltway GOP intentionally buying trouble right now??? I truly don’t understand!

izoneguy

All this deal does is add $150 Billion to our debt.

So what if the left someday gets to raise taxes on the “rich”?

The left will blow it on more re-distribution.

The tax rates need to be cut and government must be starved.

Obama & the left believe in government for government’s sake.

philhoganjr

amazing. what’s the matter with these guys? seriously? what recourse would upton and rogers have if they didn’t get these posts?

no shot the house goes against the steering committee recommendations, but it’d sure be nice to see a bunch of freshmen congressmen vote against them.

Scope

if the new crop doesn’t do better than this.

We’ve agreed to decrease the FICA taxes, and, I don’t know if that includes the employer portion or not. The employee pays 7.65%, and, the employer also matches that amount with 7.65%. Self employeds pay the full 15.3%. I believe we may have surpassed the payouts of SS, with the number of contributors this year. So, we’ve cut back on the intake, while still paying the current obligations?

The estate tax is a new tax, and, I know that would affect my husbands employer, as his business assets, building, equipment etc. is worth more than $5 million. That doesn’t even include his personal property. He pays his 75 employees full medical insurance costs, no contribution. He pays very fair wages to the employees, and, he distributes Christmas bonuses to all employees, depending on profits. He contributes much financially to the community Police, Firefighters, Food Bank, Youth organizations etc. This is a crime against beneficiaries of estates that would carry on those projects, as his 2 children would.

I’m not certain what the new unemployment benefit payments encompass. I’ve heard that it will not contribute to the 99ers, but, will be money to pay for more recent unemployeds, that will exhaust their state benefits. Yet, the unemployment numbers have not risen as dramatically as one would think for this expense, if the numbers are even anywhere near to correct. No matter, if the Feds run out of money for the unemployed workers, the fault will go back to the states for allowing the unemployeds to live on the street, and, be forced to eat dog food. It’s more borrowing, and more added to the deficit, that the Republicans were elected to stop.

I’m not sure of all of the tax credits that Obama insisted be extended, but, of the few I’ve heard of are all for the lowest income earners, who don’t pay taxes to begin with. Redistribution.

I’m not holding my breath that any of this “deal” will make it through the House or Senate. The Dems will try to add things, and, some of the Republicans, especially in the House, will block it’s passage. I see it that we are still at the starting point. Obama gets credit for “looking out for you”, and, the Republicans look good for not allowing some people’s Christmas to not look so bad.

http://seekingliberty.wordpress.com fmaidment

…that it’s only racist if you’re conservative.

Who said anything about white?

http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

“pardon mr president?”
“they took me hostage and made me do things and they didn’t even spank me!”
“sir, michelle is on the phone for you…”
“yes, dear, oh-oh-oh-ooooh… yes dear… um I have to go now…”

http://seekingliberty.wordpress.com fmaidment

…Ted Kennedy’s passing.

It was a painful and debilitating way to die. I wouldn’t wish it on anybody.

But my sympathy ends at the human. It doesn’t transcend into accepting her as some form of model for behavior or for a belief system.

http://seekingliberty.wordpress.com fmaidment

You’re absolutely right. If they were “tax cuts”, our taxes would be going DOWN, not staying the same.

This isn’t an extension of “tax cuts”, they’re an extension of “tax rates”.

Gotta’ love how the liberals get to set our dialogue…

IJB

Here’s the Upton and Rogers story links, FWIW.

This news, esp. the Upton news, is incredibly bad.

The other named chairs – Baucus of AL over Royce for Financial Services, and Hall of TX over Rohrabacher for Science – are also bad news.

To say I am increasingly pessimistic right now would actually be an understatement…

biglarryk56

Miss idiot Pelosi keeps screaming that it will cost the government 700 billion dollars if we simply leave the current rates in place.

I have news for you Nancy dear…this doesn’t cost the government ANYTHING…IT’S NOT YOUR DAMN MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! Now shut up and go sit in the corner, you dunce…

biglarryk56

The whole damn tax system is the problem…we’re still punishing production, saving, and investment, along with the damn confiscatory IRS and those blasted payroll taxes.

Enter the Fair Tax, where you’re in control by simply planning your spending while keeping your ENTIRE paycheck.

Unless we kill the IRS bastards by starving them out, we will never get rid of the progressive statists who don’t give a damn about anything but their own sorry butts.

powertothepeople

some of it is quite interesting. Sorry could not embed as there was no link.

Lighter Side of Life

throwback59

now liberals will be asked “When did you stop believing in Obama”?

smitch61

I am a 99′r. 50, laid off for two years this January. I remain positive, I refuse to be defeated. Finding a full time job is full time work, by the time I get a job I will need a vacation. I do believe that if the unemployment were to go back to it’s original intention of 26 weeks the job market would improve with that move alone. With that said I am very thankful for my benefits. I have never before collected. No one that I know personally collecting unemployment is taking advantage of it. I believe that the latest extension will further impede my effort. Most companies are hiring temp workers these days. I have had a few of those in the last two years. When I am fortunate to get a temp job, I take it. I still continue to look for work, and when that assignment is over I am back on unemployment benefits. It is an absolute mess of a situation, a catch 22 if you like. If you are working a temp job and receive a call for an interview for a full-time position, you cannot take the day off to go to the interview, or risk losing your assignment, therefore your benefits. I keep plugging along.

hampa

When O’Bama, Pelosi and Reid go, I’ll throw a party. I might even even have a little nip, for the first time in 21 years 8 months and 7 days.

earlgrey

Warner Todd Huston over at Right Wing News is sayign there is a cloture vote tomorrow on the unionization of federal firefighters and policeman. I would not expect such a bill to pass, but he is saying it could be close. this woudl be really scary as then police & fire operations would effectively be under federal not local control.

Next93

if I’d been there, I’d have blocked *any* extension until the Dems admitted publicly that they’d been intentionally misrepresenting these as “tax cuts for the rich” for the last 8 years.

My position would have been “if they’re only tax cuts for the rich, your constitutents won’t notice if we let them expire”.

dsmurf

unenemployment benefits, unemployment> the ULTIMATE Green job, minimal carbon footprint subsidized by the big oil Republicans, oh Tay

Kyle-MI

The body count is now at one. How much higher will it go?

http://www.dailytech.com/Taliban+Murders+Afghan+Elder+Thanks+Wikileaks+for+Revealing+Spies/article19250.htm

powertothepeople

in any reality? Our reps are not in the business of allowing class warfare and legal robbing from the rich just to get an apology or admittance from the dems when one would never come. There job is to cut taxes to all Americans and cut spending across the board and screw the dems, their supporters, and trying to get an apology.

If you were in office and had refused to extend the tax cut all while excusing your vote due to waiting for an admittance or apology from the dems, we would have started a Fire your sorry butt campaign on here and we would work to replace you with someone who will do the right thing regardless of what the dems do or do not do.

antisocial

1>Makes him look bipartisan (GOP Support for the measure)
2>Makes him look compassionate(unemployment benefit extension).
3>I don’t think economy is coming back significantly by fall of 2012. And economic growth needs a combination of regulations and taxes. He can then say – See republican idea of tax cuts doesn’t work. Party of the Rich etc. etc.

See the signals being sent out for Nuclear/Coal.

Next93

This is one of the many reasons it’s a good thing I’m not in Congress, but I have to say that at some point, the Dems and the lickspittle press should be exposed for the shameless misrepresentation of all things conservative, as well as the Bush administration (which I have a hard time including in that classification).

powertothepeople

without doing the wrong thing. And quite frankly, more can be done to expose them by people on the street than someone in Congress. We are the ones who can show our neighbors, friends, and family the truth. Want to expose them do that, but wanting or encouraging our reps to do the wrong thing just to get an apology or admittance,which would never happen in a million lifetimes, just makes no sense at all.

rabidcaveman

We’ve been instructed on how to deal with dialogue enough here on RS.
Inform ALL on the concept of “cuts”, and “rates”. Then, quite possibly, we can break through the fog of misinformation.

concap

Every bit of freedom lost in the last 100yrs was COMPROMISED away by the right and in the last 50yrs by a Conservative.

Just as cold is the absents of heat, so is it, socialism is the absent of Capitalism. Every compromise is a lose of freedom and a gain for socialism.

You can not compromise your way to full capitalism only socialism.

The Tea Party is getting NO respect from the good old boys running the Republican Party.

The U.S. was made great ONLY because of the Constitution and CAPITALISM and NOTHING but.

If all of the politicians? just disappeared, we would still be in the same boat we are now.

THE PROBLEM IS ECONOMICAL. THE PROBLEM IS OUR MOVEMENT AWAY FROM LAISSEZ-FAIRE CAPITALISM TO A SOCIAL CAPITALISTIC MIX. IT?S OIL AND WATER. YOU CAN NOT MIX THE TWO.

The Tea Party (Conservatives?) are still not the full answer. How ever, they are more right of left then most current Conservatives?.

Politically speaking, there are only three types of people in the US right now, and that?s:

Full Progressive socialists (full left), Part time socialists (social conservatives?), and Constitutional Capitalist (full right).

I do not spend time trying to convert the left, only the ones just ritht of left. (social conservatives?)

What is difference in the social in socialist and the social in social concervative?

I don?t fight or argue the point of who?s opinion or position is better.

I just express a point of view, provide some educating links in the hopes that one day they will gravitate more to the Constitution and Capitalism.

I’m a purest in both the Constitution and Capitalism.

I realize things will never be 100% to the right or full freedom within the rule of law.

My short term goal is to be a strong gravitational pull towards Capitalism . Whether you move more to the right, is up to you.

My long term goal is a two party system consisting of Constitutional Capitalists? on the right and Social Conservatives? and Blue Dog Dems? on the left, and all others to the left of them out of the picture.

You need to take a good look at where you are on the political spectrum and determine whether that spot is the answer to the problem, part of the problem or is the problem.

Being right is a result of being for the Constitution and Capitalism. The less you agree with the two, the farther you are to the left.

Ask yourself this. If my children never experience full freedom, how will they know what they have lost, or whether they should fight for it at all?

All comments welcome.

20yr retired Combat Vet.

jamesmackey

Here’s Ray McGovern’s take on WikiLeaks.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/former-cia-intelligence-analyst-fourth-estate-is-dead/

Ray McGovern Bio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_McGovern

concap

For those of you who are not familiar with Herman Cain, watch a few of these on You Tube

http://www.google.com/search?q=youtube&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIE_en#q=Herman+Cain+site%3Ayoutube.com&hl=en&sa=X&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGIE_en&prmd=ivo&source=univ&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&ei=6_IETf6xGY6ynwfelp3lDQ&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CDMQqwQwAg&fp=5d5a88525b399b50

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