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From: kristiebk@gmail.com
Subject: In response to your posting about the blame glame and political opportunity
Date: January 8, 2011 4:40:57 PM EST
To: contact@redstate.com

It’s about consequences to your actions and the words you speak.

And the action that Red State, Sarah Palin, Rush, Glenn, those crazy ladies from Minnesota and Navada purport is to demonize those with whom they disagree. And the glee with which you’ve done it results in this senseless, violent tragedy in Arizona.

Of course you are culpable. Every bit as if you had pulled the trigger yourself. And of course each and every one of us should point out that the fervent dislike, nee hate, that much of the Republican party espouses today fuels this very fire. The way you discourse is dangerous.

You just don’t want to see it.

Perhaps you might want to give gun control another thought?

Kind regards,
Kristie Brown Kelly

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COMMENTS

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    Hilarous.

    I hope she has enough salt to choke down those words when the truth comes out.

  • NeoKong

    The left-wing nut jobs are trying to pin this on the right.
    Apparently it is all because of Sarah Palin’s election target map.
    She commands us and we have no choice but to obey.

  • Common_Cents

    Not quite American conservative and tea party playbooks.

  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

    then she must equally hold responsible those on the left who “targeted” and demonized Bush, Cheney, etc. etc.

    (Yeah, I know she won’t.)

  • Bill S

    It’s as predictable as the sunrise. The Left are scum.

  • Scope

    that this crazed lunatic was stooped by a gun totin’ citizen in the crowd that shot him, and stopped the massacre. Early reports and all.

  • JadedByPolitics

    this is where the media and the Democrats, but I repeat myself will go after today. Be prepared to fight for the 2nd Amendment rights for all Americans who would never kill another without provocation.

  • izoneguy

    The government & gangsters…..

    So, who do want to “control” you then?

  • NeoKong

    YouTube page.

    Nothing right-winger about him. Sounds more like a KosKid.

  • runner12

    Has she been watching the news and the reports on this shooter? He does not appear to be motivated by any idealogy. His ramblings appear to be those of someone who is schizophrenic.

    It amazes me how one act of hate and insanity sparks more hate and insanity. You can tell the character of a person by the way they react when such terrible events occur. All of the comments here on RedState have been condemning of this act and pleas for active prayer on behalf of those injured.
    The reaction of the Left has been one of hate, blame and hideous rhetoric. They show a callous disregard of those who were injured and seek to use a tragedy to try and score political points.

    Their behavior only further reveals their true character (or lack of it).

  • runner12

    Has she been watching the news and the reports on this shooter? He does not appear to be motivated by any idealogy. His ramblings appear to be those of someone who is schizophrenic.

    It amazes me how one act of hate and insanity sparks more hate and insanity. You can tell the character of a person by the way they react when such terrible events occur. All of the comments here on RedState have been condemning of this act and pleas for active prayer on behalf of those injured.
    The reaction of the Left has been one of hate, blame and hideous rhetoric. They show a callous disregard of those who were injured and seek to use a tragedy to try and score political points.

    Their behavior only further reveals their true character (or lack of it).

  • gekster

    I left out the names to protect the idiots.
    ___________________________________________________

    Lunatic anarchist right wing whackos is what is happening.

    It is called the Radical Right.

    ‘Patriots’ who can ‘t stand that we have a black president.

    Thanks, Rush and Glen and Sean and Sarah.
    I have no doubt this is blood on your collective hands.

    This is what you get when you get a bunch of people, including public officials tauting gun rights and inciting violence. This is happening more and more as these right-wing nuts and their avid supporters – like legislator?s openly support these severe positions.
    These people keep crying “we want our country back”. Well, I want mine back too. This new country they are giving us is radical, dangerous and quickly becoming out of control.

    We all know that within the next 30 minutes, the NRA will make a statement disavowing themselves from this and saying that it’s all related to gang warfare in Mexico.
    I’m not even gonna hold my breathe. Let the blaming of the illegals begin.

    If this person associates himself in anyway to the right, the right is going to do everything in its power to suppress this informatio?n getting out

    We will never get stricter and sensible gun laws as long as we elect the Right and have the NRA, like most corporatio?ns etc. buy our politician?s.

    GUNS + TEABAGGERS + ARIZONA = THIS!!!
    Can’t say i am surprised.?……I hope she pulls through.

    The righties will say that it was just a coincidenc?e.

    To quote a comment from the NPR article:
    Put it in perspectiv?e — she was at a supermarket meeting her constituents – while the Tea Partiers were meeting their lobbyists the other day in lieu of getting Constituti?onally sworn-in for their seats in the House.

    This is what Sharron Angle and others in the Tea Party have advocated.
    Stand against those who throw gasoline on the inferno that our public square has become.

    And so it begins… Is this not the action the pundits were hoping for, even fanning the flames for?? So someone is finally a victim of their crosshairs?. Very sad place we’ve arrived at today.

    It seems to work for Right Wingers who kill abortion doctors and Unitarians?…

    The GOP has gone too far this time

    Like Sarah says “lets lock and load” , too bad some took her seriously

    __________________________________________________________

    There is soooo much more, but it’s mostly just the same.

  • redneck_hippie

    with the caption:

    “If there’s no flag in the constitution then the flag in the film is unknown.
    There’s no flag in the constitution.
    Therefore, the flag in the film is unknown.”

    And towards the end of the vid, he burns the flag.

    Yeah.

  • BigGator5

    Kristie Brown Kelly, I would honestly like to know who suggested we go out and start shooting people. We believe in having guns for our protection, not to murder.

    Makes my head spin that this person might be in power somewhere.

  • chbroussard

    …Ms. Kelly has shown us it’s pretty darn low. Here on Redstate, post after post is offering prayers for Rep. Giffords and the other victims. The left would serve themselves well to handle themselves with the same amount of dignity being shown here.

  • chbroussard

    …Ms. Kelly has shown us it’s pretty darn low. Here on Redstate, post after post is offering prayers for Rep. Giffords and the other victims. The left would serve themselves well to handle themselves with the same amount of dignity being shown here.

  • http://www.tobytoons.com TobyToons

    http://www.examiner.com/libertarian-in-national/on-msnbc-radical-cartoonist-ted-rall-rallies-left-to-take-up-arms

    When did Hannity, Rush, Sarah Palin, Redstate, etc. EVER suggest literally taking up arms for a future ware with the other side?

    THIS LEFTY WROTE A BOOK SUGGESTING IT.

  • Doc Holliday

    but in an insane way. He is unsurprisingly a nut. No mention of the Tea Party, Palin, Fox, etc. He does mention he does not believe in God.

    Seems like a creepy, sick person. I would bet the investigation will show many saw signs of this sickness.

    To the left who are trying to score political points, you are shameless.

    The press, including Fox news, are making all kinds of false comments related to guns, motives, and influences. Basically the press is acting like the press.

    My prayers for all who have been killed and injured.

  • Finrod

    .

  • paulnashtn

    This guy evidently was not a left wing fanatic nor a right wing nut but rather an anarchist ? he really believed in no controlling authority

  • gekster

    there were several posts for prayers,
    and admonitions for those jumping the gun as to who the shooter is.

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    Would you support an amicable divorce? If so we can split the country in half with you Lefties to one side and we right-wing crazies to the other? I’d love to be rid of you and your fellow travelers’ overbearing need to control the rest of us.

  • NeoKong

    Apparently he is a little flag burning anarchist pinko.

  • Ausonius

    You can hear it now:

    “WHY did YouTube not alert the authorities after he posted these videos?”

    “They were obviously negligent, ladies and gentlemen!”

    “THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN!!!” :)

    Responsibility becomes meaningless, when anybody at any time can be held responsible for the actions of another.

  • romeg

    This whack job was about as far to the left as one can get without actually falling off the edge.

    No mere radical Atheist but one who actually got angry at being given a Bible; and apparently someone of the Black Helicopter/Tinfoil Hat persuasion.

    But self-examination and introspection is not a hallmark of leftists so we should not expect any regular contributor so the Puffington Host to look beyond the superficial: The shooter previously served in Uniform. He used a Handgun to commit this heinous act. Ergo he MUST be a right-wing Tea Baggin’ Republican.

  • http://www.800cart.com Ron Robinson

    … who relies on the Constitution and the gold standard to inform his thinking

    Not a very well thought out system of belief.

  • renny

    against the right about violence from the Duke lacrosse players to broken windows at an Obama headquarters in 2008 to a professor who claimed a noose was hung on her door, all of which turned out to be fake, self promoted, or perpetuated by lefties themselves.

    The guy is a crackpot (old terminology) and the Congresswoman was not a leftwing nut herself as she was for control of immigration and illegals. Why would the right attack her?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.dirkworld.com dirkbelig

    This reminds me of 9/11. The towers had just collapsed. There was speculation that tens of thousands may’ve died. And what was an extremely vocal liberal on a non-political (ha!) message board saying? He was blaming it on “the coup that the Supreme Court conducted putting Bush in office.” Yes, he really said that.

    A horrific terrorist attack with massive casualties had just unfolded before our eyes on live TV and within a half-hour, the first impulse of this typical Lefty was to hop on his soap box and howl about the injustice of his candidate not winning and not being allowed to sue his way into office.

    I’d never realized the sheer level of rage and psychosis at work inside the heads of liberals until then. I just figured they were bleeding heart hippies who just wanted to help. While many are, there are more than too many of these haters and it crystallized just how important it is to keep them waaaaaaaaaaaaaay far away from any positions of power or authority.

  • Mary Beth

    And they even said “TARGET”!!!

    Obviously, Daily Kos was… ahem… “culpable. Every bit as if [they] had pulled the trigger [themselves]. “

  • Mary Beth

    http://oi56.tinypic.com/2apvzk.jpg

  • mustango

    Given the number of victims it’s very likely that the shooter had an automatic weapon which was already illegal in Arizona.

    They have no trouble understanding that prohibition didn’t make alcohol go away, and love pointing out how the war on drugs didn’t make drugs go away, yet somehow they still think more and more layers of gun control will somehow work in the way those two totally failed to.

  • miconservative

    hurt and killed by this nut case. How does the left know that the real target in this situation was not the BUSH appointed federal judge who was murdered? Where is the sympathy for him as well. God please bless all of the victims of this heinous act

  • melissatx

    on the suggested reading list, here.

  • earlgrey

    Rush, Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck, are we to believe that they are so influential as to cause a functional human being to take the lives of federal officials, children and themselves. Is that really how Kristie and left think of the human race? We are just a bunch of animals waiting to be controlled?

    Can someone explain that if these conservatives had so much influence over this guy, why did he not mention them in his “video manifesto” and facebook/myspace page.

    It is beyond ludicrous to pin this on the right, and while we shouldn’t be surprised by it, we should feel the need to be defensive. I say no tolerance for the blame game. Be bold and tell these leftists we aren’t going to let them “frame” the right.

  • earlgrey

    The leftists are getting in my head already.

  • arxdei

    I am a liberal, worked on Barack Obama’s campaign, but no matter who the shooter ends up being – whatever his story – he stands alone. The shooter was not a Republican, a Democrat, but someone who is truly Unamerican. He assaulted citizens, a judge, and a Congresswoman who were exercising their First Amendment rights. This tragedy is one of significant human loss but is felt by so many, from either side of the political fence, because it feels like the right that keeps the USA a free country was violated.

    One e-mail does not define the majority nor does this comment. Most people, however, that I know – feel the same way as I do. I think sometimes the world of online discourse is skewed and more polarized than how most citizens in this country really feel.

  • Doc Holliday

    regardless of the fact that the sicko committed the oldest crime of man. After the quince eating.

  • http://vladenblog.tumblr.com Vladimir
  • Tbone

    It seems to be the only explanation for their ability to deny truth, reality, morality and factual evidence in opposition to their delusions.

  • chipbennett

    This guy is a left-leaning psycho. Try to follow these ramblings.

  • redguynabluestate

    American Heritage Dictionary: pro?jec?tion, n.

    Psychology

    The attribution of one’s own attitudes, feelings, or desires to someone or something as a naive or unconscious defense against anxiety or guilt.

  • johnnyd

    http://tinyurl.com/36gnlce

    Unfortunately you have to counter the BS from the left.

    My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!
    ShareNew 0by BoyBlue
    Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:07:17 AM PST
    I am from the Tucson area and live in Congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords’ district. I worked like a dog for her elections when she was in the Arizona House, surrounded by rightwing nutcases.

  • Patricia_C

    … is also trying to paint Jared as a deranged Sarah Palin loving Tea Party member.

    Sad, yet as Bill said, “It’s predictable as the sunrise”.

  • JadedByPolitics

    I think you are correct that it is a minority of lefties that are skewed with this thinking. I remember when Americans came together as a whole during times of distress in the Country however you have to admit that we on the right are fighting unimaginable forces when the news media floats the “theory” that the right is to blame. I don’t know anyone who would ever want to politicize Americans dying other then the media and left but then I repeat myself.

  • izoneguy

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/01/arizona-shooter-jared-laughner-a-certified-nut.html

  • sailingaway

    according to someone who went to school with him.. Maybe it is the rhetoric of the left they should be paying more attention to.

    http://twitter.com/caitieparker

  • smagar

    Ms. Kelly, it’s not a good ideal to mess with people who know how to take your mistakes and make them worldwide knowledge.

  • jackfay

    Kristie Brown Kelly,
    I am constantly amazed at the complete stupidity of so many Americans. I can only put it down to the awful state of public education in this country, yourself being a prime example of this tragic trend.

    Historically all violence comes from the LEFT side of the political spectrum. Your assertion that this violent crime was somehow the fault of conservative thought or speech is just another by product of a crisis of critical thought in this country.
    We have no knowledge of motive or agenda in this crime yet your progressive, liberal, Rotarian butt has to insert politics into a story where it most likely has no place, and certainly no purpose other than to forward your contrived political objectives of Socialism and Communism.

    Exactly what hate speech or hateful demonizing of people are you actually referring to? You state: ” And the action that Red State, Sarah Palin, Rush, Glenn, those crazy ladies from Minnesota and Navada purport is to demonize those with whom they disagree. And the glee with which you have done it results in this senseless, violent tragedy in Arizona”.

    Can you provide even 1 concrete example of the hate you smear these people with? What is happening here is known as “Projecting”. Its when people try to place their own motives and actions on to others. That is exactly what you are doing here. Gleefully Demonizing good people that have never done anything to deserve either the rancor nor the hate that you are clearly throwing their way. Again you are just projecting your own hate and applying it to others as if this is an acceptable way to conduct ones thoughts and actions. Believe me when I tell you that good Christians and good Conservatives do not think like you do. In fact we embrace exactly the opposite mode of thought and action.

    Perhaps we should look at your claim that we bask in”GLEE” at our actions and their consequences? The only person in this discussion that appears to be gleeful is you, now that you have a soap box upon which to stand. None of the people you have set out to smear hold 1 iota of fault or bear even a thought of culpability in this tragedy. None. Any rational person understands that. But no one has claimed rationality in your defense so perhaps I am traveling too far afield here.

    In case you are wondering why you are receiving so many e-mails from people that disagree with you and your petty prose, it is exactly because “It?s about consequences to your actions and the words you speak.”

    As you sit in your home scared of all of the negative reaction you are getting and wishing in your liberal little heart that all the bad gun owners would all just go away and die, please remember this: Conservatives do not resort to violence as a means of confronting the wrongs and injustices in this world. We attack them head on with the truth and our righteous indignation. Your fear of violent reprisals comes from Projecting your own thoughts and planned responses on to good people who would never do anything like what you portray them to already have done in spirit.

    Sincerely

    John Fay

  • Dirt Winston

    http://www.facebook.com/people/Kristie-Brown-Kelly/1006147536

  • http://www.andrewcray.wordpress.com andrewcray

    In a perfect world, (The one the Founders dreamt of) someone in the crowd would have had a gun and would have shot the attacker. Thus is the point of the Second Amendment.

    Who wants to live in a world where terrorists, rapists, murderers, and serial killers have guns, but YOU don’t.

  • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

    1. The DAILY KOS put a BULLSEYE on Gabrielle Giffords back in June of 2008:
    http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-congresswoman-voted-against-nancy-pelosi-and-is-now-dead-to-me-eerie-daily-kos-hit-piece-on-gabrielle-giffords-just-two-days-before-assassination-attempt-on-her/#comment-331196

    2. Gosh, it didn’t take the left very long to start talking about gun control, did it?

    3. Remember that, in the Alinksy and Cloward-Piven and Obama playbook, one of the tactics is to keep a constant stream of crises coming at us, to throw us off balance, distract us from what they’re doing, and most importantly, get us all worked up into an emotional state so that we’re not as rational and are more vulnerable to their manipulations.
    http://frontpagemag.com/2010/04/20/how-evil-works/

  • carolina

    Sometimes it seems like the only people who post on a lot of www sites are slightly wacky themselves!
    Thanks for your sane post.

  • d_lamar

    He blamed Rush and conservative talk radio for the bombing. The marxists never miss an opportunity to use a terrible tragedy for political gain.

  • ohiohistorian

    I understand the assailant favors Mein Kampf, the Communist Manifesto, and burning flags. Sounds like a real conservative to me.

    And regarding your spew about gun control, it was a liberal NUT that had the gun. Didn’t someone in the crowd who also had a gun shoot the little liberal? That was the report that I heard. So a gun averted a larger tragedy.

    Just what we need is another lefty telling us what we need. Why don’t you, Olbermann, Schultz, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and the rest of you lefty cranks get together and write down what you REALLY stand for. Everyone would turn off MSNBC and 2012 would be a landslide for conservatives.

    There was a psychiatric posting one time that liberalism is a mental disorder. Should that be more thoroughly investigated? I know that most of you are not in your RIGHT mind, but even your LEFT mind may need some medication. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=56494

  • carolina

    Said something about playing in a band together – and shock over his actions. Also said Good Morning America was calling him……

  • http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

    Is this what Breitbart was talking about when he said Markos wouldn’t like the blowback?

  • msctex

    It is one thing to mislay blame. It is another to pretend not to be aware of the reality of the matter, and then change one’s tune “once the facts are in.”

  • http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

    The last facebook group she joined was “Corner of Crazy”.

  • pauly1620

    Just like Mayor Bloomberg’s ignorant comments after the attempted Times Square bombing, we see again how knee-jerk the left in this country is and how hopeful (for lack of a better word) they are that the perpetrator of this heinous crime is “one of us.” The left is forever holding their breath for an “I told you so” moment to portray those of us on the right as murderous, hateful people. However, when the facts become known, all too often, the left’s immediate reaction is WRONG. What their arrogant bigotry does highlight however is the left’s inherent hatred for those that dare disagree with them and how they view those of us that identify as being right of center.

  • traversecityconservative

    The guy didn’t want God injected into anything. That’s right up the libs alley right there. Even when it’s “one of their own,” they still blame our side.

  • aesthete

    including economics and social issues. It shouldn’t be shocking that the party of collective rights, “society”, and mob rule is the one that jumps to assign collective blame to someone.

  • melissatx

    Tthe excersizing of 2nd Amendement rights could have prevented this.

    Kudos to whomever tackled this wanker.

  • melissatx

    Tthe excersizing of 2nd Amendement rights could have prevented this.

    Kudos to whomever tackled this wanker.

  • melissatx

    “Shame on those like Arizona State Senator Linda Lopez, who blamed the tea party on FOX news without any basis in concretes or any knowledge of the identity of the gunman.”

    Thus the reason I cannot stand Shep Smith….he could have said the same thing but let it go. She was completely out of line.

  • marshmom

    is how steady I would’ve been holding my gun when I shot the SOB who was killing innocent people!!! That’s MY idea of “gun control”.

    Also, when you write such profound crap in the future, it would be nice if you could list examples of your grievances. Any intelligent person can point to specific instances of the “hate speech” that they are referring to, especially when they take time to write a letter to express their displeasure. Obviously never had too many research papers to write, eh?

    Get off your high horse and prove a point if you have one–don’t just come here and make accusations that aren’t true. Get a life.

  • carolina

    instead of individual responsibility. It shows in all of their statements. (just like obama blaming Bush for everything) It is like a collective group think sickness. ugh

  • carolina

    instead of individual responsibility. It shows in all of their statements. (just like obama blaming Bush for everything) It is like a collective group think sickness. ugh

  • earlgrey

    premise at the very root of it rather than nibbling around at the edges.

    We have let the left tell us how to debate for far too long. IMHO

  • charm2

    Kristie, you are right about one thing…… “It?s about consequences for(to) your actions and the words you speak” and what you have communicated here is irrational and irresponsible of you. No one knows what drove this murderer to do this horrible thing in Arizona. Yet you have decided you know what it is and you are accusing people of doing something terrible that you have totally concocted in your head. Is this how you live your life, imagining that someone did something then hatefully striking out at them with baseless accusations? Get some help.

  • marshmom

    on facebook. Perhaps that’s where she gets all her news. In that case, no wonder her head is in the clouds.

  • gekster

    A little farther south.

  • Bill S

    would have learned a long time ago that we feast on stupid like this. She just bought RS a couple thousand more hits to fund our conservative cause.

    Thanks, Kristie. I hope you’ve enjoyed your 15 seconds of fame. We have.

  • Bill S
  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim
  • smitch61

    The gunmen is responsible… period… no one else. Honey, is was a leftist, one of your own.

  • bobmontgomery

    Politico reports Cantor’s office says all legislation for next week has been postponed so they can take whatever action is necessary as a result of the tragedy. I don’t understand that statement. Is there something else going on?

  • earlgrey

    That is SWEET. Scared of guns myself, but I like living in places where good people can carry them.

  • http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

    Presumably, it could affect the outcome of legislation.

  • z06gal

    that those on the left would politicize a stop sign. They truly are of the mindset, never let a crisis go to waste.

  • gekster

    From a girl who knew him in HS.

    A musician who knew Laughner in high school starts tweeting about it. Witness the speed of news in the Twitter era.

    5:09: Saying Jared Laughner was the gunman. Really hoping that’s not the same guy I went to HS with, really good friend. Freaking out right now!!!

    5:09: Official I went to high school & college, & was in a band w/ the gunman. I can’t even fathom this right now.

    5:32: He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in ’07, asked her a question & he told me she was “stupid & unintelligent”

    5:34 he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven’t seen him in person since ’07 in a sign language class

    5:36 As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.

    5:40 he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in ’06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.

    6:09 This is a circus. Good Morning America just called me.

    I’m withholding the name for privacy, but shure she will hit the news soon.

  • scymiral

    … don’t be surprised when people start actually treating them like traitors and putting them down like dogs. Giffords today, John Roll yesterday… who goes down tomorrow? And more to the point, why should you care? I mean, leftists are bad for America, right? They’re traitors, right? Right?

    The horror at Giffords’ murder is genuine, of that I have no doubt. Crazy person or not I just hope that this shock helps serves to tone down the rhetorical excesses that have become the norm. in American politics. At least, the next time you use words like “traitor” to describe a political opponent, think for a moment whether or not you actually want them to be treated like a traitor, to be shot and killed the way Giffords and Roll were.

    That’s all. Thanks. Back to invisible lurking. Cue the “they started it”/”they’re worse at it” comments.

  • oblio

    and Giffords is still alive, and your timeline is off. Your hypothesis needs some work.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    …would be smarter than that.

  • bassethound

    posting one liners blaming conservatives for the shooting, while sniveling and whining about the “hate” of Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, and “the right” in general.

  • gekster

    and just stopped by to say hi to the Congresswoman.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908
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  • runner12

    kind of behavior that we have condemned by you and those like you. For your information, Judge Roll was a conservative and appointed by Bush. Not that it matters what is political affiliation, the man was murdered by a crazy lunatic. Politics has no place when a tragedy like this occurs.

    It is an illogical statement to claim that calling people traitors equates wishing someone dead. This is an inane argument and can only be a result of your hatred for conservatives. It is also cowardice to make false accusations and then return to “lurking” behind the scenes.

    In your attempt to use a tragedy to make a jab at your political opponents, you reveal your own lack of character. Note that one could infer from some of the reports that are out that this lunatic also had some Leftist leanings and yet few on this site are accusing him of being a liberal. You know why? Because it is inappropriate and most likely inaccurate. Most likely it had nothing to do with politics and everything to do with a mentally ill person committing an act of violence.

    P.S . Rep. Gifford is not dead (thank God) and the prognosis is that she will recover.

  • runner12

    Looks like you all took care of him/her. Unbelievable what some people on the Left will say and do.

  • runner12

    Looks like you all took care of him/her. Unbelievable what some people on the Left will say and do.

  • nvrepub

    nt

  • nvrepub

    nt

  • lineholder

    I was just thinking about how you probably get pounded day in and day out by these kinds of comments, yet you’ve continued to stay to the side of what is right, come what may come.

    Thank you for all that you do.

  • gekster

    and stand by them.

  • gekster

    ntnt

  • krsnadas

    Good reply – you have the same name as my cousin – hmmm, I’ll ask him if he posts on RS.

  • Next93

    Now I get to take bets on whether the MSM will bury this.

  • Next93

    I have a golden retreiver that INSISTS on shedding all over the house.

    Once you finish convincing the left to stop thinking of the electorate as helpless automatons, could you come over to my house and convince my dog to stop growing fur?

    Thanks.

  • lineholder

    Still, I’m grateful to Erick for the stand that he has taken. I just wanted him to know how much I appreciate it.

  • gekster

    just agreeing with you. ;)

  • powertothepeople

    and set up a letter and gift drive for the people wounded or killed in this shooting. They say we are evil and hate all those we oppose, lets show them the opposite is true. I have seen the letter drives where a main letter is composed, and then all those who wish to include their own note and name can do so through a box that is then attached to the letter. We could take up a money drive to supply flowers to all the graves and a fund for those wounded. I bet within 24 hours, we could have multiple letters and notes, and every grave would have a flower set with the sites condolences attached. Not too mention we could start a fund for those wounded that may help feed the victims family while they visit with their wounded in the hospital.

    Just an idea……….

  • 6eorge Jetson

    shouldn’t throw stones

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAsysJ72NSU&feature=related

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  • america1st

    you may be sure he’d not confront one of his fellow travelers.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    Wonder how long before this gets taken down by YouTube/Google

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  • AceInTX

    Katie Pavlich is up at Town Hall with Screen Captures of the douche bag’s Face book rantings…

    Shooting Suspect Jared Lee Loughner

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  • silentcal2012

    This is kind of old news already. Been beaten around the internet all day.

  • AceInTX
  • daendda

    from the left is laughable after the 8 years conservatives suffered. But then we get 2 more years of a man child president that feels entitled to make everything about him and not have anyone say anything bad about him. How is rhetoric any more inflammatory recently than it was in say 1775 when we started a war, or during the civil right movement. Gone are the days when the Right goes along to get along just to play second fiddle to the democrats. Don’t like the rhetoric…get out of politics you ninny.

  • jacksonandy78

    Wake-up call for every American to a Violent Crossroads with Simple Questions?

    1. Unfairness in the US political system creates negative ENERGY – How do we Remove or at least Reduce that anger?

    2. Is our challenge and obligation to overcome the Unfairness?

    In America we have always had some unfairness but when it has gotten out of balance over the decades, we Americans have found useful ways to bring HIGH DEGREES OF UNFAIRNESS back into balance using the ?beauty of the idea that America is .. beholden to all of its citizens..to the ideals of equality and freedom.?

    But our country has always fallen short of closing the complete gap between that unfairness and our ideals.

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  • swstryker

    I’m sure you have been receiving plenty of emails already, but I just wanted to report one simple fact that your left wing liberal media probably won’t bring out. The truth is that Jared Lee Loughner had a good friend who had this to say about this sick, demented individual.
    “A 22-year-old woman in Arizona, Caitie Parker, claimed on her Twitter feed that she went to high school and college with the gunman, and was in a band with him. She described his politics in the past as “left wing, quite liberal, & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.”

    Want to rethink your ill timed, reprehensible, finger pointing, politically charged blame game?

    Scott

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  • Christine (Trelaina)

    I saw Jake Tapper trying to get in touch with her for ABC, and I’m sure he wasn’t the only one.

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    I hope you are saying the same thing on liberal websites.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    I put the blame firmly on Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens. It is obvious, otherwise why would he mention his atheism. Clearly teh Targeting of religion, especially Christianity is what drove this guy to it.

    Consider this, The Congresswoman is named after a Biblical Angel. Clearly it was just as if Dawkins and the ACLU were the ones who pulled the trigger!

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    I hope you are very young, because if you are a mature adult and don’t understand that LIFE IS UNFAIR as a principle and government can’t do SPIT to change that, I feel very bad for you.

    Go balance your own life and leave mine alone.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    skewed and political than the work-a-day world. Just like on college campuses, political thought is all important while in the real world it is not even thought about on a daily basis.

    Nevertheless, it is important what goes on in these forums because all sort of radical and noxious thoughts and movements in the past came out of academy and political pamphlets and coffee houses.

    The Internet is like that but times a thousand.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    skewed and political than the work-a-day world. Just like on college campuses, political thought is all important while in the real world it is not even thought about on a daily basis.

    Nevertheless, it is important what goes on in these forums because all sort of radical and noxious thoughts and movements in the past came out of academy and political pamphlets and coffee houses.

    The Internet is like that but times a thousand.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    That damn Matt Damon is handsome, talented, and he gets lots of good looking women. Plus he is a mind numbed lefty.

    I DEMAND that he let me borrow his women, and that he buys me a sports car, after all it is damn unfair that a stupid shallow left winger have all the things that I don’t have.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    That damn Matt Damon is handsome, talented, and he gets lots of good looking women. Plus he is a mind numbed lefty.

    I DEMAND that he let me borrow his women, and that he buys me a sports car, after all it is damn unfair that a stupid shallow left winger have all the things that I don’t have.

  • johnt

    Does this poor little beast know she is advertising her own flaming hatred. Ah, for the days when dissent was patriotic.

  • AceInTX

    In fact,..I didn’t know the congresswoman had been shot till late in the afternoon…it was late last night before I got to read anything on it

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  • AceInTX

    Go to town hall and Politico and read the spammers hate filled and vitriolic rantings as they tell us to tone down our hate filled hate filled and vitriolic rantings.

    I it would never occur to me to ever accuse any human being of the things these people accuse us of. It’s vile and dispicable

  • pirate55

    I have been debating whether to respond to this and your post provides me with that opportunity. The rancor enveloping our country is indeed real and provides a fuel for many “unstable” individuals to “act out” their distorted convictions. For the American media to interpret the recent act of violence so soon, calls for speculation that is not appropriate and will indeed provide more fuel for the many “zealots” who walk in our midst. The American media has long acted irresponsibly and I expect it will continue to do so, looking to portray complex and tragic events in a political slant. It is more than irresponsible yet it will continue as the media “intellectuals” continue to “decide” what is good and what is bad for the American people.

    I suppose such rancor in the political philosophy arena has been evident for some time, but I saw dramatic and dangerous signs take hold during the 2000 Presidential election and it was by our friends to the left of center. It was they who were enlisting the “homeless” to vote under other voters’ identities in our northern cities for the price of a package of cigarettes. It was they, the children of the major left political party who were slashing the tires of opposition vehicles during the early morning hours of a national election.

    I heard with my own ears many in my city refer to a sitting president from 2000-2005 in a most negative way, complete with inappropriate profanity. Such events were payed little attention to by our media and “political correctness” has been abundant.

    I have now heard a sitting president liken my conservative values and the political party that best represents then as “hostage takers” during the recent lame duck session of the Congress. I have endured a left of center media who feels conservatives are only concerned with the rich.

    Make no mistake America, we do have opposing views. I believe a return to base values to include those encompassing morality and “hard work” by a nation under God and founded by Christian men is very appropriate. I do not believe government can solve each and every problem confronting Americans, yet I believe responsible hard working Americans, left to their own devices can.

    Let us not get lost in a media continuing to demonize Conservatives, or for that matter Liberals. Let meaningful dialog again become our mantra. Let us realize that Liberals and Conservatives will always have opposing views. It is when we place the label of RADICAL before either that they interestingly become one and the same.

    As a retired law enforcement professional, I deplored “media investigation” and “trial by media” because of its tendency to distort the truth. Unfortunately, the media in my humble estimation should have a rating equal if not lower than our elected officials.

  • melissatx

    “We support our soldiers when they shoot their leaders.” …. finger wagging and finger pointing from them is laughable.

    I saw Donna Brazille, Al Sharpton, Geraldo Rivera…..they didn’t waste any time jumping on the blame-Talk-Radio-and-conervative-pundits bandwagon.

    They missed the part where this DB was a member of American Renaissance:

    “The group’s ideology is anti government, anti immigration, anti ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti Semitic,” according to the memo which goes on to point out that Congressman Giffords is the first Jewish female elected to high office in Arizona. A recent posting on American Renaissance’s website on January 7 begins with an article entitled: “Exit poll: Whites are Different.” The site goes on to list anti-immigration articles. Investigators are also pursuing Loughner’s alleged anti-Semitism.
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/alleged-az-shooter-may-have-links-to-pro-white-racist-organization-2011-1#ixzz1AYjPqI00

    The guy was not a conservative. He started as a liberal and spiraled down from there.

    I get suspicious when buzzcut Janet already has a workup on the group like this, but sees no problem with CPUSA or LaRaza. Stanby for compare and contract hit pieces with Tim McVeigh, Ruby Ridge and Waco. Stand by for a new slew of anti-2nd Amendment bills.

    I, for one, will make no aplogies for anything I have done or said in support of 2nd Amendment rights, states rights, speaking out against illegal immigration and suporting views from the right. I will not apologize for being a Tea Party member and will lay the blame where it belongs: an unstable loser who was deluded, psychotic, and dangerous.

  • arxdei

    I guess, for me, I think shooters like this usually have other issues that are largely divorced from politics and involve mental health issues. My concern is when average citizens start engaging in acts of vandalism and intimidation of their political opponents. This happens on both sides and is something to reject and punish.

    My disappointment for the past decade has been that our country seems unable or unwilling to make difficult decisions. Should we fail to have honest debate on those decision points – we will fail to improve our country and we will watch as the world leaves us behind.

    Our media will always have its biases – it’s made up of normal people with their own personal political preferences. That being said, Edward Murrow, for instance, was a Democrat – but he didn’t let that interfere with the seriousness that he engaged his role as a journalist. Somewhere, along the way, we have started to watch and follow those journalists that best reflect our political preference rather than those who treat, appropriately, journalism as a sacred duty in a democracy. I find myself doing this too so I try and follow more neutral news sources and, also, those of my political opposition to sharpen my own thinking on issues. If we only talk and listen to our allies – our ability for rational debate will atrophy.

    Citizens need to make an effort to talk to engage in the democratic system. We need to make an effort to attend town halls, speak to our neighbors, and understand that it is our responsibility, no matter how hard our jobs are, to really try and understand the issues. Our politicians, although some appear honest and good, often take advantage of our superficial understanding of the major issues facing the country by using rhetoric to replace logic and evidence.

    Finally, politicians need to understand that – as innocent as “spin” may seem – most people have no choice but to take what they say at face value. As much as we need to spend more time engaged in our democracy – we will always need representatives and the media to synthesize the complexity of national laws for us. When we hear that tea party followers are racists or that liberals want “death panels” – without personal knowledge of many of the tea party or liberals – we may find ourselves starting to believe that the tea party’s opposition to Obama has to do with his skin color or that liberals want to set-up panels of government officials to kill our elderly.

    If we wait for “the other side” to be the better person and stop the politics of victimization and anger – we will be waiting forever for the vicious cycle to burn itself out. We have serious issues of education, poverty, debt and competitiveness that will not wait for us to slowly, dimly find this out on our own.

    I am sure there are several big issues that we will not agree on. I am also sure that we probably have more in common than either of us realize.

  • charlienj

    The first comment by one of your readers is that he “hopes she chokes”.

    This site really is the problem

  • melissatx

    The lady left her information in the mail bag.
    If anyone contacts her from this site, I would really be surprised.
    We are not DU or Daily Kos.

  • SoFiMil

    to silentcal2012′s snottiness.

  • SoFiMil

    to SilentCal 2012′s snottiness.

  • SoFiMil

    .

  • jacksonandy78

    We can not afford that defeatist attitude.

  • jacksonandy78

    Not equal results!

    But when some can take up stealing and Fraud with immunity then we have to investigate them and prosecute!

    Equal opportunity under the LAW is KEY to the survival of this country.

  • jacksonandy78

    When some can take up Stealing and Fraud with immunity then we have to investigate them and prosecute!

    Equal opportunity under the LAW is KEY to the survival of this country.

  • jacksonandy78

    Not equal results!

    When some can take up stealing and Fraud with immunity then we have to investigate them and prosecute!

    Equal opportunity under the LAW is KEY to Survival of this country.

  • pirate55

    …is both a noble one as well as insightful, rather than inciteful. That is the direction both sides need to seek, both left and right. I really do appreciate it though.

    I do remember when those with the “mental health issues” which required a society’s attention were for lack of a better description “locked up”. Our society’s trend of violence has been on an upward spiral since. While I wholeheartedly agree the rights of individuals to be sacred, I also believe there needs to be a stronger counterbalance to protect our society from those who “may” pose a danger.

    I believe a society who attempts to rehabilitate violent offenders is more often than not, condemned to be again victimized by them. I stress the word violent and I believe we are a society which needs to rethink rehabilitation as its first choice when “punishment” is both more appropriate and a far better deterrent to recidivism. and a greater benefit to a society often “stretched thin” economically. But talk of “prison industry” is for another time.

    As to the media, they need to re-examine themselves and their own responsibilities to “We The People” and again teach us “How to think” and not “what to think”. Your point as to media “neutrality” is well taken and needs to be heeded. Many liberals believe conservatives are mindless robots controlled by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, and Sean Hannity. They would be surprised to hear that though I am a conservative and often agree with all of them I find one arrogant and vain beyond any comparison, one an individual whose ego has no boundary and another, too rah rah for my own taste. I also find many on the other side via airways such as MSNBC to be much the same while airing their liberal slants. Intellectually, I gain value from the banter of both, yet remain a “mindful” and opposed to “mindless” conservative. Media thrives on controversy and in my opinion has embraced it rather than trying to ameliorate it.

    Involvement is a key to the democratic process and I find myself “fully engaged” in the process which I was forbidden to engage in when I still worked for law enforcement. That is as it should be as politics has no place in the policing arena. But as a counter to your point, there are many on both sides of the aisle who desire our citizens to remain “uninformed” as they continue to “profit”. It is because of that a TEA Party has arisen and liberals need to understand they too are welcome to be “informed” and take back the government from “career politicians”, too numerous to mention here. Yet mainstream media continues to depict this movement as “extreme” and “radically right” without any tangible evidence to support this position.

    My last point is that “more government” for the “welfare of the people” is just that, WELFARE and will eventually overwhelm our economic system by sheer apathy as it did the former Soviet Union. We The People, left to our own devices are far more responsible than any government in addressing many of the societal problems we face. Government was only meant to “guide” us, not “control” us. If you agree, welcome to the other side of the aisle and we then again are Americans and much closer as you suggest, politics and a media for profit notwithstanding.

    Have a great day my fellow American. Let us both work toward a better United States of America.

  • Jack_Savage

    What are you doing today to eliminate the hate pouring from the left? Please give me a link to your posts on HuffPo, DKos or any other leftist website that echo what you just wrote here.

    And for the record, I do not buy for one second the tired meme that “both sides do it, we all need to calm down”. From the socialist riots in NYC, to the Chicago Democrat Convention, to Kent State, to the “antiwar” movement, to “racists” and “teabaggers” to this weekend, the left has made it their business to foment chaos, disorder and calamity in order to further their agenda and score political points.

    Tell me what you are doing about it. I would really like to hear it.

  • pirate55

    To eliminate the “hate pouring from the left” as you have well put it, I have engaged in conservatism and followed that up with political party involvement. My post was merely pointing out to arxdei he might be a bit more conservative than he realizes as more government is not only dangerous but at the root of the problem and that members of the political party I have aligned myself with failed to heed Ronald Reagan’s sensible warning when they achieved a great victory in 1994.

    Hopefully, in 2010 they will follow up both forcefully and completely. And for the record, no part of either of my posts suggests conservatives “do it”. I merely pointed out I deplore “career politicians” of the left and the right who merely profit from government at my expense as a taxpayer and a conservative.

    I fully agree with your second paragraph as I was in those trenches as that “thin blue line” and I did endure quite a bit as I lost members of my police family to it. This is why I am a conservative and this is why I speak yet try to be convincing, even to the liberal left,……as well as to you..

  • Jack_Savage

    arxdei:

    “If we wait for ?the other side? to be the better person and stop the politics of victimization and anger – we will be waiting forever for the vicious cycle to burn itself out.”

    pirate55

    “That is the direction both sides need to seek, both left and right.”

    What I am waiting for is for the left to get down on its collective knees and beg forgiveness for all the hate, chaos and disorder they have been part and parcel of for generations, then apologize for all the slander that has gone on in, say, in just the past ten years, acknowledge that not one program or initiative of theirs that we have spent billions of dollars on has made a dime’s worth of difference, and has actually done far, far more harm than good, fly to Wasilla and help rebuild the church that one of their followers burned down, and then retreat to their appointed, worthless, non-productive positions, shut the hell up for five minutes, and let some adults fix all they have wrought.

  • pirate55

    Hate speech is a product of our left and now a stunning hypocrisy is coming to bear. Doesn’t anyone remember the 60′s, and 70′s, when all I heard was “Pig”, “Off the Pigs”, “Oink Oink” and many others. I do go back that far and was a member of a major city “bomb squad”.

    Yes sir, I remember “The Anarchist Cook Book” by William Powell and still have my copy on my den’s book shelve to remind me of the left wing hate. Powell has such nice things to say about “cops” throughout the book and I just reread page 154 to remind myself of his affection.

    Yes sir, I do believe we need to “control our anger” and channel it positively for the change we conservatives seek. We must understand the radical left is still out there, they only changed clothes. Yes, we must defend our conservative convictions with our tremendous wisdom and intelligence many on the right possess and we must prevail. Thanks for your criticisms though. I also can appreciate them.

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    Go back to HuffPo where you can float around in your little happy cloud thinking some massive government can put everyone on the same little balance beam, if we all just closed our eyes and wished hard enough…oh, and gave it all our money and control of our lives, can’t forget that.

    We deal with the real world here.

  • ssshannon1026

    Conservatives have no problem with holding everyone, rich and poor alike, to the same standard of common law. And we hardlly need leftist to explain that or the notion of equal opportunity under the law to us. But that isn’t really what you are talking about. You are simply dressing Marx up in one of Jefferson’s old coats. What you want IS equal results. You want a central federal government empowered to take from those who succeed and give it to those who don’t and you will use and device to claim that such success was somehow criminal or discriminatory. And the proof you will use is that some people have more than others.

  • ssshannon1026

    …are completely contradictory concepts. If you give people freedom, real freedom, the inevitable result will be unfairness and inequality. The only way you can achieve fairness and equality is to limit freedom and liberty. The “beauty of the idea” of American is that individuals can pursue their own happiness and nothing more. Actually achieveing it was never part of the deal, just the freedom to try.

  • ssshannon1026

    The left simply has nothing intellectual remaining other than associating any opposition to their principles as hateful and therefore instigating violence. They are such mind numbed, true believers, that they cannot for one moment consider the extremisim of their own views, and accept any degree of criticism of them in a dispassionate manner. Simply put, there is no criticism of liberalism that we conservatives could possible say in even the most benign way that would not be promoted as hate by them. They are true believers, and you simply cannot reason with them. And, ironically, that is precisely why the democrat party continues to become ever more radically leftist. Any organization that cannot accept criticism is caught in an intellectual feed back loop that has no ability to moderate itself.