The Blame Game and Prayers Begin


Editorial Note: This morning, prior to this news, we were running a caption contest on this cartoon. We have suspended that contest and removed the cartoon from the front page.

— Erick

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A terrible tragedy today. Rep. Giffords of Arizona was gunned down and, though early reports were that she is dead, the hospital is confirming, as of this writing, that she is alive and in surgery. 11 others were apparently shot and six others are dead.

I spent an hour with Rep. Giffords a few months ago. She and I were sitting in Jim Bohannon’s studio with Robert Reich was on the air. She’d driven him over to the studio. We chatted for an hour. We disagreed on much. She was extremely, exceedingly nice.

My prayers are for her and her family.

Unfortunately, the left is using this tragedy to score political points. Rep. Giffords was on Gov. Palin’s target list for defeat this past November. The left claims Gov. Palin has blood on her hands. So does the tea party movement.

Less than a year ago a gunman stormed into the Discovery Channel’s headquarters, taking hostages and threatening to kill them all. The left immediately accused the man of being a tea party activist.

Unfortunately for the left, the man turned out to be an envirowacko leftist raised on Algore’s global warming garbage.

Immediately, the left changed their tune and proclaimed that no longer could we as partisans accuse each other of causing things like this. There are just crazy people in the world and tragedies happen.

My, my how quickly they forget.

The truth is there is evil in this world. Evil exists where God does not and as we drive God further and further away, evil creeps in more and more. Today was not a random act of violence. It was a profound evil.

Let’s not pretend it wasn’t. Let’s not pretend evil does not exist.

But let’s not let the left, yet again, spin this against the tea party movement, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, or Sarah Palin inciting violence. That’s both a profound lie and just another, though lesser, bit of evil.


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There is no "left" or "right" to this

barleycorn (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 2:39PM EDT (link)

This is an attack on America, our institutions and our freedoms. Whoever did this, no matter his motives, acted out of deranged evil and anyone who tries to make political hay out of this is sick.

Before we are conservative or liberal, or left or right, or Republican or Democrat, we are Americans. This is tragic and could have far reaching consequences that hurt all Americans.

Again, this and all actions like it, are a direct attack on the United States of America and every good thing we have stood for over the last 234 years.

Schitzophrenic - Jared Lee Loughner

grateful_red (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:45PM EDT (link)

The normal age of onset for Schitzophrenia is the early 2nd decade for males and the late second decade for females — he’s 22-21

If you look at his you-tube channel there is evidence of word salad, ruminating thoughts, racing thoughts….

I bet when they interview him he will be found to have schitzophrenia.

I think this will turn out to be a profound tragedy of a mentally disturbed and confused man.

Oh – and BTW what Paul Krugman just wrote make him an absolute tool

I think you will prove to be 100% correct.

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:52PM EDT (link)

The ramblings he has made and his incoherence seem to point quite clearly to schizophrenia.

I don’t think this had anything to do with politics. It is the actions of a mentally disturbed individual.

 

I think you will prove to be 100% correct.

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:52PM EDT (link)

The ramblings he has made and his incoherence seem to point quite clearly to schizophrenia.

I don’t think this had anything to do with politics. It is the actions of a mentally disturbed individual.

runner, I believe that as well

Scope (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 5:07PM EDT (link)

he shot a sitting Democrat Congressmanwoman, and, also shot and killed a Federal Judge that was appointed by Bush. Found Linda Lopez comments interesting when she called out the Tea Parties, and the awful things they said about Giffords in her recent 2010 election campaign.

 
 

Fools say foolish things...

halothane Saturday, January 8th at 5:36PM EDT (link)

Paul Krugman is an idiot, and I would be more flabbergasted if anything coming from his blog actually made sense. I’m sure someone, somewhere, actually tracks violent acts by political affiliation, and I’d be willing to put a fair bit of my money up that violent acts by members of the left outnumber those by the right by a fair margin.

Having minimal insight into this tragic incident, Krugman is already willing to say that he knows exactly why this happened. When the full story comes out, and we find out that this murderer, far from being a calculating right wing operative, is a seriously disturbed man with a long and probably documented history of mental illness,one wonders if Krugman will apologize for jumping the gun, and being an idiot…again.

 
 

DIFFERENT WORLD

jacksonandy78 Sunday, January 9th at 3:32AM EDT (link)

BEFORE TODAY WAS A DIFFERENT WORLD!

Change to REMOVE the UNFAIRNESS must now come or far worse than today will be coming along.

Check me out on HuffPo!

h ttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/JacksonAndy78

scram nut -nt

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, January 9th at 4:29AM EDT (link)

nt

Molon Labe!

Equal opportunity under the LAW

jacksonandy78 Sunday, January 9th at 11:19PM EDT (link)

Equal opportunity under the LAW or the country can not survive.

Check me out on HuffPo!

h ttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/JacksonAndy78

 
 
 
 

Hang on! Reuters says she's still alive!

jamisonfaught (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 2:42PM EDT (link)

Praise the Lord – the initial report of her death is being taken back. Reuters and some law enforcement are saying that she’s still in surgery, very critical condition, but NOT dead.

FN, she is alive,

gekster (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 2:48PM EDT (link)

and in critical condition.
just the same, don’t quit praying.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 
 

I will not let the left demean this woman by their HATE...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 2:48PM EDT (link)

I will tell anyone who will listen how despicable they are that while this woman clung to life how they ripped her humanity away to make a political point and suggest you all do the same until the crescendo is so loud they skulk away to the dark corners to which they belong.

Markos saying some pretty nasty stuff on twit -nt-

ladyimpactohio (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:29PM EDT (link)

We the people tell government what to do, it does not tell us.–Ronald Reagan in his farewell speech

He's a pretty nasty person

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:32PM EDT (link)

Sounds about right.

Kos themselves "targeted" Giffords

ladyimpactohio (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 5:21PM EDT (link)

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/skyeFA/kostarget2.jpg

We the people tell government what to do, it does not tell us.–Ronald Reagan in his farewell speech

 
 

The entire tweeting left has become unbearable now.

TNJim (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:34PM EDT (link)

I just shut off tweetdeck. Same thing going on Palin’s Facebook page.

Activism: What to do after the TEA party rally. Unified Patriots

 
 
 

Why do the people on the Left do this?

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 2:52PM EDT (link)

Do you not care that this woman was a mother and wife? She is a human being and so were the others who were shot. They are not simply poltical fodder that can be tossed around.

Just because Palin wanted to defeat her in office or disagreed with her politically does not mean that she wanted her to be harmed. People, please have a heart. Our focus right now should be to pray that this woman will live and survive this tragedy ( Fox is reporting that she is alive, but in critical condition).

Make no mistake, this was an attack on the US. Someone shot at a United States Representative and her staff. This is a sad daty and I hope that the person who committed this crime will be brough to justice.

 

OK---here are the local news sources to watch

smagar (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 2:54PM EDT (link)

Newspapers:

- Arizona Republic is the state’s most professional newspaper, out of Phoenix
- Arizona Daily Star is Tucson’s only “real” newspaper. Google: “azstarnet”

Online papers:

The Tucson Citizen and Tucson Weekly will be the most pro-liberal. (Tucson Weekly is an alternative newspaper). If you’re looking for slurs on Republicans, they’ll most likely start here.

On TucsonCitizen.com, watch the following bloggers, whose disdain/hatred for Republicans is most white-hot
- Desert, Science and Hot Dogs: The Three Sonorans
- Tucson Progressive
- View From Baja Arizona
- The Data Port

If you’re looking for the places where “blame-the-Republican” comments are likely to emerge, watch the Weekly and the Citizen.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

Live Local News Feed NOW

Justin Spagnolo (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:05PM EDT (link)

You have to install Microsoft’s Silverlight to watch feed:

KOLD Local News Online Stream

NPR article is updated regularly HERE

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison

19 shot; 5 dead; several in surgery; 21 yr old gunman nt

carolina Saturday, January 8th at 3:20PM EDT (link)

19 shot; 5 dead; several in surgery; 21 yr old gunman nt

carolina Saturday, January 8th at 3:20PM EDT (link)
 
 

Moderators, where do you want Tucson locals to post updates on Giffords---Moe's thread or Erick's? nt

smagar (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 2:57PM EDT (link)

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

 

Ohhh k.

bjwilson83 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:01PM EDT (link)

Just disgusting. The Pima County Democratic Party is already trying to score political points with this on CNN.

Nice to know they've got their priorities straight

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:25PM EDT (link)

/sarc

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 

Multiple Witnesses

carmen Saturday, January 8th at 3:01PM EDT (link)

… and not one word on the perp’s race. (You KNOW the MSM would have posted it by now if he “looked” like a TEA party patriot)

I say the left will be rendered VERY quiet (a la the Discovery Channel gunman) when his identity/motive are confirmed.

Continued prayers for her, her family, and the other victims and their families.

White

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:03PM EDT (link)

Clean shaven, short hair, mid 20′s.

 

I am so sick

proudgop (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:03PM EDT (link)

over this. I am sure press will use this to demonize the Tea Party crowd to no end

No rational person can kill anyone in this manner. I pray for her kids especially they are way too young to not have their mother to not be around.

 

some twitter reports of clean cut white teens/20's nt

Common_Cents (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:04PM EDT (link)

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”
-Ben Stein

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche

 
 

Crazy, but typical...

peterfny Saturday, January 8th at 3:04PM EDT (link)

It’s sad that the Left seems to almost jump with glee when something tragic like this happens because they see an opportunity to mine it for political capital, rather than being concerned about the victims involved. It’s shameful and tells you all you need to know about the most sick of the sick on the Left. If it comes out this was a protest against her immigration policies, watch how they all retreat like cowards.

Never let a crisis go to waste.

eastbaylarry (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:59PM EDT (link)

Seems I’ve heard that from the Marxists before.

2+2=4 dammit!

 
 

The left is shameful in almost any situation...

traversecityconservative (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:06PM EDT (link)

Unfortunately, this is a call to arms on the leftie websites like Daily Kos – they want the guns taken away, the talk show hosts inciting violence off the air and they want this to be the end of Sarah Palin for “targeting” her during the elections. I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I don’t even put it past the libs to do things like this on purpose to further their goals and political figures. It is more likely that the shooter will turn out to be a registered Democrat than anything else. And we will probably hear Sarah Palin’s name this week more than Giffords. And the libs will not feel guilty about it at all.

Remember the Wellstone memorial?

conservativemusician Saturday, January 8th at 3:30PM EDT (link)

You know…the funeral service that turned into a campaign rally? It was disgusting and the left’s predictable reaction to this tragic situation reminds me of that pathetic display. As Erick alluded to in the Discovery Channel incident, the left will use anything to gain an advantage politically – including using the possible death of one of their own at the hands of a deranged lunatic to do it. They are despicable and heartless – but fortunately, the God that many of libs do not actually believe in is in control, even when senseless evil like this rears its ugly head.

My prayers go out to the Giffords family and I hope that she will make a full recovery.

Respectfully, conservativemusician

 
 

Listening to CNN they interviewed a cartoonist

throwback59 Saturday, January 8th at 3:08PM EDT (link)

for one of the local papers, a Fitzpatrick, I believe. He started out saying this was the fault of the “Right Wing.” Disgusting.
May God have mercy on the victims and pray for the wounded.

David Fitzsimmons, writer of the "Daily Fitz," is hardcore left, and well known for it.

smagar (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:30PM EDT (link)

He’s also very down on the Mormon community in AZ, which (in his opinion) doesn’t support governmental social programs as aggressively as it should.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

 

If CNN called Fitz directly, then CNN was trolling for trash on Republicans

smagar (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:34PM EDT (link)

Fitz is a well-known quantity in Arizona media, as an incessant critic of the GOP. Also, Fitz is known for saying provocative things.

If CNN called Fitz directly…it wouldn’t surprise me if CNN wanted to air comments trashing Republicans. If so, they went to the right place.

Did Fitzsimmons identify himself as a representaive of the Arizona Daily Star?

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

CNN identified him as such before putting him on

throwback59 Saturday, January 8th at 7:23PM EDT (link)

the air. Even the reporter was a bit stunned by his comments.

 
 
 

Two More

silentcal2012 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:13PM EDT (link)

The left also jumped the gun on the loon who drove his plane into a building in Texas. His writings were full of anti-Bush hate. I think the also jumped the gun on the Fort Hood psycho, saying it may have been a right wing radical, then saying it had nothing to do with his Muslim background.

And also the Pentagon shooter

Raven (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 5:59PM EDT (link)

The guy who tried to force his way into the Pentagon by shooting at one of the gate guards.

“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36

 
 

Just the other day

melbedewy (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:14PM EDT (link)

the Daily Kooks were making “jokes” about Scalia dying.
By the way, Giffords was a Blue Dog which on that blog is called a “Bush Dog”-a species they have repeatedly called on to be “exterminated”, “wiped out”, etc.

Here is a post from one JtinDc from Jan. 4 on that lovely blog:
” I will be dancing in the street on the day evil scumbags like Cheney and Scalia die. If any of them get buried anyuwhere within my geographic location I will make every effort to spit and pi*s on their graves on at least an annual basis.” followed up by one two Moms in AZ who states “I feel bad that I agree with you “.
Then we have another humanist called teachme2night chime in with “I can’t think of a single way Scalia could die that would fail to make me laugh out loud and dance a little jig.”

Somebody with more internet knowledge then I needs to save these posts before TV Markos deletes them.

Shift Command 4 on Macs saves a screenshot.

froster (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:22PM EDT (link)

nt

Republican from California.

on Windows /nt

eastbaylarry (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:04PM EDT (link)

2+2=4 dammit!

 
 
 

CNN is already playing the game with this tragedy

olsmithie (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:19PM EDT (link)

Just heard CNN reporter keep prodding Pima County Dem committee leader until he got a gun control comment out of him.
Pima county leader’s main concern, rightly so, was the welfare of the injured, but the reporter couldn’t help himself….
Prayers for the Rep. and others injured.

Regards

 

Prayer

ashland_avenue (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:20PM EDT (link)

May the One who was a source of blessing for our ancestors, bring blessings of healing upon Gabriel Giffords, a healing of body and a healing of spirit. May those in whose care they are entrusted be gifted with wisdom and skill, and those who surround them be gifted with love and trust, openness and support in their care. And may they be healed along with all those who are in need. Blessed are You, Source of healing.

 

Uncertain times, for sure

chamberD Saturday, January 8th at 3:23PM EDT (link)

G. Giffords is my congresswoman, and I wanted to see her replaced by Jesse Kelly. Nevertheless, I am exceedingly sad to learn that she — and others — have been shot.

Prayers for all of them are in order, and also for our nation — as I do not think that the people who boast of not letting a crisis go to waste will hesitate to further their leftist, anti-Constitutional agenda through using as a pretext this despicable incident.

I’m not smart enough to click links before I tell people to do research.

As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasil® . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.

Same here

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:29PM EDT (link)

Two years ago she was my Congresswoman, and I wanted Kelly to win. My prayers (and Kelly’s, I’m sure) go out to Giffords.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

Thank you, aesthete

chamberD Saturday, January 8th at 5:50PM EDT (link)

. . . for your acknowledgement of my comments.

Did you move out-of-state?

I’m not smart enough to click links before I tell people to do research.

As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasil® . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.

Worse

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 6:54PM EDT (link)

I’m in AZ-08 (Grijalva’s district).

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

Oh dear

chamberD Saturday, January 8th at 10:15PM EDT (link)

ugh

I’m not smart enough to click links before I tell people to do research.

As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasil® . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.

 
 
 
 
 

Alphabet Agency type shooter??????

rwtimm (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:26PM EDT (link)

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/democratic-rep-gabrielle-giffords-6-others-shot-at-arizona-safeway/69138/

The gunman, who may have come from inside the Safeway, walked up and shot Gifford in the head first. According to Rayle, who is a former ER doctor, Gifford was able to move her hands after being shot.

After shooting Gifford, the gunman opened fire indiscriminately for a few seconds, firing 20-30 rounds and hitting a number of people, including a kid no older than 10 years old. Rayle hid behind a concrete pole and pretended to be dead. When the gunman apparently ran out of ammunition he attempted to flee, but a member of Gifford’s staff tackled him. Rayle helped hold the gunman down while waiting for the sheriff to arrive, about 15-to-20 minutes later. The EMS came about 30 minutes later. Rayle said he was “stunned” by how long it took medical help to arrive.

The gunman was young, mid-to-late 20s, white, clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or while being held down, although he struggled at first. He was “not particularly well-dressed”; he didn’t look like a businessman, but more of a “fringe character,” Rayle said. The sheriff’s department arrived, arrested the gunman and cordoned off the parking lot.

 

Yep, Kos just removed the story from Thursday..

ladyimpactohio (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:33PM EDT (link)

diary by Blue Boy who says he worked to get Giffords elected & because she voted against Pelosi as speaker, she (Giffords) was dead to him.

Downloaded it though. Have it on my desk top. Pretty nasty stuff.

We the people tell government what to do, it does not tell us.–Ronald Reagan in his farewell speech

THis one? I wonder if the lame stream media will report this?

Common_Cents (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:41PM EDT (link)

This is courtesy of DAILYkos.com

“My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!
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by BoyBlue
Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:07:17 AM PST

I am from the Tucson area and live in Congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords’ district. I worked like a dog for her elections when she was in the Arizona House, surrounded by rightwing nutcases. When Arizona re-districted in 2002, a seat opened up and she was right smack in the middle of it. So was I because I live in Oro Valley, Arizona, which is at the heart of that – then – new CD. I was one of several people to talk her into running and pledging complete loyalty and pledging to raise as much money as possible for her.

She ended up running for the first time against a fellow AZ House member, Randy Graf who was a rightwing whacko who advocated guns in bars and was the “Russell Pearce before Russell Pearce” vis-a-vis border issues. With a LOT of hard work and plenty of money, Gabby won. Easier than thought, too. I never like to throw money in people’s faces, but i have given Gabrielle Giffords THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of dollars in both good times and bad times for me financially.

* BoyBlue’s diary :: ::
*

Fast forward to this election season. A weirdo asshole named Jesse Kelly who advocated ELIMINATING Social Security and was a tea bagger favorite got the GOP nom to run against her. I am gay and had been married and my spouse left me January 15, 2010. I shot myself in the mouth in a serious suicide attempt, because of that. Barely surviving, I spent two months in the hospital and still have some paralysis. I did receive a severance from my employer, as i had been laid off in December, 2009. That may have been part of the reason my spouse left me.

Anyway, after months of physical and mental rehab, I got back into the political scene and started working for Gabby once again. I raised over $100,000 for her and maxed her out myself out of my severance, even though i still don’t have work and could not qualify for state aid because of my severance.

She wins her re-election and told me she was still a supporter of Speaker Pelosi at her victory party. We talked about how Nancy Pelosi was a successful woman and accomplished oh so much in just four years as Speaker.

Today, just a little while ago, I saw on Andrea Mitchell Reports (out of the one eye in can still see out of) that Giffords voted AGAINST Nancy Pelosi as our Minority Leader. Rhetorical question: I fought back from my condition and jumped in with both feet to help Gabrielle Giffords for THIS shit???

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is dead to me now. I won’t lift a finger, make one phone call, nor will i EVER vote for her in the future. And why did she do this? Giffords never told me she was conservative Democrat. And her voting record is okay. Damn.”

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”
-Ben Stein

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche

Send that to law enforcement

proudmarinemom (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:45PM EDT (link)

Yep, that's the one. Have it on my desktop...

ladyimpactohio (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:58PM EDT (link)

not gonna post it, will save for law enforcement if they ask. With all the comments.

We the people tell government what to do, it does not tell us.–Ronald Reagan in his farewell speech

 
 

Common_Cents, umm, you might want to edit something

TNJim (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:45PM EDT (link)

from Kos before posting it here.

Activism: What to do after the TEA party rally. Unified Patriots

 

I was just going to post that.

bjwilson83 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:54PM EDT (link)

Kos and others are throwing a fit about Palin scrubbing the target list (I’m not sure, but that may have been done some time ago). He might want to take a look in the mirror, as he scrubbed this article pretty fast.

 
 

Got It Too

BigGator5 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:55PM EDT (link)

I got it too. BlueBoy should be ashame of himself.

Educated (About The Issues Facing Us Today), Dedicated (To Making A Difference), And Highly Motivated (To Getting Things Done)
@biggator5

Err.. BoyBlue

BigGator5 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:59PM EDT (link)

Err, I mean BoyBlue.

I also got a screen cap, so it wouldn’t disappear down the memory hole.

Educated (About The Issues Facing Us Today), Dedicated (To Making A Difference), And Highly Motivated (To Getting Things Done)
@biggator5

 
 
 

So no one thinks the perp is a rightie?

wizenedelder Saturday, January 8th at 3:33PM EDT (link)

The facts have not come out, but I think it’s very interesting that you all are condemning the left for their reaction in much the same fashion that the left is blaming this on the right.

We’ll see what the facts are. What will you say if he is a tea party guy?

We will say what we are saying now.

Christine (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:37PM EDT (link)

It is horrible and the [person] who did it should fast-track to the death penalty.

We don’t condone evil and we don’t excuse it. EVER.

The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.

“I would be a poor Commander in Chief”
– Barack Obama, July 3 2008

 

So you think that the Left's reaction is okay?

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:39PM EDT (link)

Good grief, that is sick. The speculation should not even be going on while this woman is fighting for her life. Our focus should be on praying for her and those who have been wounded.

 

So you think that the Left's reaction is okay?

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:39PM EDT (link)

Good grief, that is sick. The speculation should not even be going on while this woman is fighting for her life. Our focus should be on praying for her and those who have been wounded.

 

It's a matter of script

civil truth (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:40PM EDT (link)

We’re not interested in speculation but waiting for the facts to emerge, which may take several days. the left has already started the same familiar litany, as the author described.

And the reactions are not equivalent – the left is already condemning right wing political figures and groups as responsible, the author and the rest of us are simply condemning the left’s script.

And pray tell me, where in the “tea party” movement has there been a call by responsible adherents for assassination? I haven’t heard it.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

 

Your right, the facts have not come out yet,

gekster (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:41PM EDT (link)

but from the left:

from HuffPo

LWilkinson315

OMG :(
My prayers are with the Congresswo­man and her family.
I have a really bad feeling in the pit of my stomach- what has conservati­ve media done to our nation?

I just heard that she is responding to commands from doctors.
Keep the prayers coming.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 

What will we say? Due process. Whoever is convicted

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:42PM EDT (link)

will face due process, and in AZ, with six dead (last report I saw) it’s a capital case, he’ll get the death penalty & good riddance.

Is that clear enough for you?

Change

Hope so. I will even plug in the chair if asked but...

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 5:22PM EDT (link)

the initial reports of his behavior make me believe he will be shielded by one of the lefts greatest judicial inventions; the insanity defense.

Although Clark v. Arizona relatively recently set a high bar for application my guess is the defense will roll it out pretty quickly.

Prayers to the families..we are all pulling for you!

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

The insanity defense is not an invention of the left.

the_invisible_hand (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 6:58PM EDT (link)

This is a common law tradition dating back to concerns of mens rea in a culprit.

If, indeed, this killer has deep mental issues that negate his ability to be aware of right and wrong, then he should be in a mental facility.

Contrary to pop culture views, being committed as criminally insane is not a slap on the wrist or preferable to being incarcerated.

The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn’t work and then they get elected and prove it.
-P. J. O’Rourke

 
 
 

It doesn't matter if the perp is a rightie

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:42PM EDT (link)

The left prays for days like this, while the right prays they will never come. The left leaps to score political points, while the right falls to their knees in prayer for the victims.

You’re seeing it right before your eyes.

 

No one cares

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:46PM EDT (link)

Except for the small-minded and vituperative trying to score political points, jack. The only question I want answered regarding the killer is how long it will take to fasten him to an electric chair (and I think I can speak for the whole of the conservative community when I say that).

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 

Uh, the left is condemning the right (a large group of people) for the actions of one guy whom we know little about

JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:47PM EDT (link)

We are condemning a large group of individuals (not a single stray blogger) for making blanket condemnations about a large group of Americans based on what is at this point speculation about a single individual.

Get the difference?

Who the perp is for the purposes of this analysis is irrelevant. The perp is one person.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 

Uh, the left is condemning the right (a large group of people) for the actions of one guy whom we know little about

JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:47PM EDT (link)

We are condemning a large group of individuals (not a single stray blogger) for making blanket condemnations about a large group of Americans based on what is at this point speculation about a single individual.

Get the difference?

Who the perp is for the purposes of this analysis is irrelevant. The perp is one person.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 

That he should face punishment to the fullest extent of the law

andysmith (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:48PM EDT (link)

and that we don’t care what party he’s registered for, who he voted for, etc, etc, etc. At this point he’s a criminal and should have the death penalty appplied.

“Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ”
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. ”
“Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.”

-The great Ronald Reagan
www.rightreality.wordpress.com

 

and this.

gekster (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:48PM EDT (link)

Brent Willcom
‘Don’t tread on me’ remember those tea party signs? Or how about, “next time, we’re coming loaded.” The time for news stations like Fox, to be held accountabl­e for this horrendous crime IS NOW!

and from BDErice
Extreme right wing is violent and crazy. They believe that fighting the American government on behalf of multi-nati­onal corporatio­ns is patriotic.

and all they know is the gunman is 20ish and white, well dressed.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 

Do you condemn the actions of the shooter or not?

conservativemusician Saturday, January 8th at 3:52PM EDT (link)

I think you can tell from the comments by

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:00PM EDT (link)

those of us on RedState that we wholeheartedly condemn these actions. Who would not? Good grief, this guy opened fire on a crowd of innocent people.

Thank goodness that there were courageous people in there who tackled him and subdued him.

 

I think you can tell from the comments by

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:00PM EDT (link)

those of us on RedState that we wholeheartedly condemn these actions. Who would not? Good grief, this guy opened fire on a crowd of innocent people.

Thank goodness that there were courageous people in there who tackled him and subdued him.

I agree and understand what you are saying runner12.

conservativemusician Saturday, January 8th at 4:09PM EDT (link)

But the tenor of wizendelder’s original comment was very insensitive and more focussed on taking shots at the right than extending prayers to the families of the victims of the shooting. This is what the left does all the time and I’m sick of, so as Jaded also correctly alludes to down thread, my question to him was more in getting him to expose who he really is.

I agree with others on this thread who have stated that it is irrelevant what the shooter’s political views are. Regardless of what they are, the guy is obviously deranged and does not represent what the conservative movement is.

Sorry CM, we are on the same page then.

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:24PM EDT (link)

Just got the questions and replies confused.

 
 
 
 

What will you say when he is not...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:00PM EDT (link)

Yeah you won’t be back, because you are not of the right, that is apparent. WE don’t sling arrows while people are fighting for their lives. We give the dead and dying the dignity they deserve and not use them as political pawns, that is a bug of the left.

 

Sorry, wizenedelder, but Democrat talking points are not welcome here.

Bill S (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:13PM EDT (link)

Bad day to be a smartass, I’m afraid. If you have a burning desire to be reinstated, visit the Contact link. Don’t expect a whole lot of sympathy from me, on a day where Markos showed what a deep scumbag he is by blaming Sarah Palin. The Left is a sick breed.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 
 

Attention, leftys---we are screen-capturing what you do! nt

smagar (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:36PM EDT (link)

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

Did you get the Kos?

proudmarinemom (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:41PM EDT (link)

I tried but it went down before I could screenshoot it.

ScreenShot

reesforcongress Saturday, January 8th at 3:53PM EDT (link)

I’ve got it. Saved on my desktop. They’re braying about Palin’s PAC taking down the “gun sights” map. Funny, they’re not saying a word about the KOS scrub. I’m shocked. *sarcasm*

 
 
 

Left is already comparing this to Columbine, which was when Clinton's comeback began

nvrepub (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:45PM EDT (link)

I am sure they are

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:51PM EDT (link)

…while ignoring the Colombine shooter’s virulent anti-Christianity.

 

Fox news has just reported that Federal

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:51PM EDT (link)

Judge John Roll was killed in this shooting. He has a judge appointed by Pres. Bush in 1991. This is a sad day in America when our elected and appointed officials are attacked like this.

 

Fox news has just reported that Federal

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:51PM EDT (link)

Judge John Roll was killed in this shooting. He has a judge appointed by Pres. Bush in 1991. This is a sad day in America when our elected and appointed officials are attacked like this.

Correction. Fox just amended their report.

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:53PM EDT (link)

All they know is that Judge Roll was among those shot.

 

No, that's not confirmed. nt

proudmarinemom (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:53PM EDT (link)

It was just confirmed on Fox that Judge

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:35PM EDT (link)

Roll was among one of those killed. Very sad.

 
 
 

shooter a 22 yr old Afgan vet nt

carolina Saturday, January 8th at 3:53PM EDT (link)

Fox has a name, Jared Laughner, or might be Laughtner.

TNJim (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 3:59PM EDT (link)

Shep wasn’t sure. of pronunciation.

Activism: What to do after the TEA party rally. Unified Patriots

 

shooter a nut-job. Fox will play his U-tube video soon....... nt

carolina Saturday, January 8th at 4:25PM EDT (link)

gekster has it posted below, carolina

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:29PM EDT (link)
 
 

Just a point

paulnashtn Saturday, January 8th at 4:01PM EDT (link)

Reply to this is your friend :) -nt-

Christine (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:06PM EDT (link)

The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.

“I would be a poor Commander in Chief”
– Barack Obama, July 3 2008

Sorry

Christine (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:10PM EDT (link)

I see by the updated comment below that this was not what I originally assumed :)

The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.

“I would be a poor Commander in Chief”
– Barack Obama, July 3 2008

 
 
 

Just a point

paulnashtn Saturday, January 8th at 4:05PM EDT (link)

This is a shooting with political motives but we really have NO idea WHAT political motives and all this mudslinging should wait until later and concentrate on prayers for the living and the families of the dead

 

Twitter posts saying Gifford is out of surgery

Christine (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:07PM EDT (link)

and there is optimism for her recovery. Keep praying…

The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.

“I would be a poor Commander in Chief”
– Barack Obama, July 3 2008

Surgeon on KOLD interview says Giffords..

ladyimpactohio (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:22PM EDT (link)

had one gunshot to the head, thru & thru. Dr. Reed. He is optimistic for a recovery, but not sure what kind of recovery.

Dr. Reed also says a girl about 9 years old was killed.

Our prayers are working for Giffords.

We the people tell government what to do, it does not tell us.–Ronald Reagan in his farewell speech

 
 

I can't believe

andysmith (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:11PM EDT (link)

that I have Facebook friends that are blaming Sarah Palin for this….
“Dear Sarah Palin, Nice work with the whole crosshair, Don’t Retreat, Reload bit. You twit.”
Poor woman is fighting for her life, her family doesn’t know if she’ll survive, and all they can do is try to score political points. Shameful.

“Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ”
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. ”
“Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.”

-The great Ronald Reagan
www.rightreality.wordpress.com

I'd be doing some un-friending, if I were you. -nt-

Bill S (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:14PM EDT (link)

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 
 

I can't believe

andysmith (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:11PM EDT (link)

that I have Facebook friends that are blaming Sarah Palin for this….
“Dear Sarah Palin, Nice work with the whole crosshair, Don’t Retreat, Reload bit. You twit.”
Poor woman is fighting for her life, her family doesn’t know if she’ll survive, and all they can do is try to score political points. Shameful.

“Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ”
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. ”
“Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.”

-The great Ronald Reagan
www.rightreality.wordpress.com

 

The shooter has apparently has a You Tube video out with his political views

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:20PM EDT (link)

Anti-God, semi-right wing, and thoroughly, completely detached from reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHoaZaLbqB4

Here it is, i hope this works

gekster (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:22PM EDT (link)

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

Well there is a whole lot of crazy in that...nt

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:25PM EDT (link)

Here is website listing books Loughner says he has..

ladyimpactohio (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:29PM EDT (link)

I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.”

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jared-lee-loughner-2011-1#ixzz1ATv2QeAs

We the people tell government what to do, it does not tell us.–Ronald Reagan in his farewell speech

 
 

As an addendum to this

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:24PM EDT (link)

If this is true, and I am not sure it is, a friend of mine who is a psychologist has seen this type of thing before. Generally, psychosis manifests itself in late adolescence – early twenties. This man was nothing more and nothing less than psychotic. I would venture to say that law enforcement knew him well, as did campus police and Psychological Services at whatever school or university he attended, and it may come out that he had been involuntarily committed to the psych ward at a local hospital.

This horrific tragedy seems to be the result, as is usually the case, of a severe mental illness.

I have been listening to the reading of

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:29PM EDT (link)

what this guy posted on YouTube on Fox and he sounds like someone who is mentally ill. His sentences were incoherent and like gibberish. It seems that he just targeted the largest group of people he could find. Absolutely disgusting.

 

I have been listening to the reading of

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:29PM EDT (link)

what this guy posted on YouTube on Fox and he sounds like someone who is mentally ill. His sentences were incoherent and like gibberish. It seems that he just targeted the largest group of people he could find. Absolutely disgusting.

 

With the exception about the slide regarding the need for sleep

JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:32PM EDT (link)

The entire thing is gibberish.

The only thing remotely political about it is the plug for gold/silver over fiat currency.

That guy is really messed up!

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 

I hate when I am right

Jack_Savage (Diary) Sunday, January 9th at 12:52PM EDT (link)

From today’s report on Fox News by Jana Winter:

“Loughner was kicked out of Pima Community College following a series of run-ins with school officials and police at the colleges where he frequently caused disruptions in classrooms and elsewhere on campus, according to The Arizona Republic.

The tensions with school officials led to Loughner’s production of a YouTube video in which he declared the college illegal, the newspaper reports.

The college said Loughner could only return if he received mental-health clearance, according to The Arizona Republic.”

This is a Virginia Tech / Wendell Williamson (UNC Chapel Hill) type situation. Period. Authorities knew who he was, and knew what he could do, but could not pre-emptively arrest him.

 
 

Not sure it is the right guy.

redneck_hippie (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:28PM EDT (link)

The name is spelled differently. Jared Lee LOughner.

In any case, this JL LOughner looks a nut. He thinks he is a terrorist (?).

Here is his reading list from his YT Channel:

Books:
I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

If this is not the guy...

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:33PM EDT (link)

…LE needs to be breaking down his door right now.

My thoughts, exactly.

redneck_hippie (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:39PM EDT (link)

He speaks about the past tense in a way that indicates he was contemplating certain actions. Mental disturbance quite evident.

http://bit.ly/egw1RL


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

 
 

Fox just said his U-tube & other www stuff already removed! nt

carolina Saturday, January 8th at 4:37PM EDT (link)

Not yet. I also found ths one:

TNJim (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:39PM EDT (link)

More disturbing than the one gekster put up.

Activism: What to do after the TEA party rally. Unified Patriots

 

Not yet - can we save it somehow?

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:40PM EDT (link)

gekster’s link still works – can we save it somehow?

Already downloaded it, plus 2 more, Jack. nt

TNJim (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:44PM EDT (link)

Activism: What to do after the TEA party rally. Unified Patriots

10-4

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:47PM EDT (link)

They are certainly highly disturbing, and quite sickening to see.

Here's another I ran across, don't know if you have it.

gekster (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 10:11PM EDT (link)

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

I've got all 5, gekster. nt

TNJim (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 10:33PM EDT (link)

Activism: What to do after the TEA party rally. Unified Patriots

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Federal Judge John Roll was killed

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:26PM EDT (link)

…and may well have been the target. He and family had been under strong fed protection for two years over an illegal immigration trial.

Watch and wait.

That explains the return fire from the crowd that has been reported

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:31PM EDT (link)

Interesting – also has been reported that another person has been arrested, with a third sought.

It was reported that someone in the crowd shot the gunman.

gekster (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:36PM EDT (link)

It is not stated who.
A private citizen or security.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 
 

Could be Vassar, but this kid sounds more Columbinish to me..-nt-

ladyimpactohio (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:33PM EDT (link)

We the people tell government what to do, it does not tell us.–Ronald Reagan in his farewell speech

I doubt it, I don't believe in coincidence

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:53PM EDT (link)

the kid reportedly is a marxist-nazi lover (left a vid), read anarchist, who neither Left nor Right claim, but is usually Left. The judge was under protection over an illegals case in fed court there, so Mex drug lords also part of the mix.

That was one of my first thoughts, too, VB...

heartlander (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 7:08PM EDT (link)

…wondering if this had anything to do with the narco-lords.

Sounds like no, that the murderer is just a lone psychotic.

“The still, small voice of God in every human soul is the greatest ally of the pro-life cause, and why it will ultimately prevail.”
–Donald R. McClarey

 
 
 
 

I have heard some of his writings, postings on YouTube

melissatx (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:31PM EDT (link)

Some of his posings elsewhere….the guy sounded like he had enough material from both left and right to be dangerous, but not an idealogue following a party line.

I have ALREADY seen accusations that he was a TEA PARTY person, but from what I have seen he was sure the Amendments to the Consituttion invalidated it along with other strange takes on the US.

He is a loon.

But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. John Adams

I'd call him insane, paranoid and anti-authority

josephusmyer (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:37PM EDT (link)

He talks about starting your own currency, terrorist just being a label, government trying to force people to read Bibles, brainwashing and similar.

Lists Farenheit 451, Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf as favourite books.

I’m not sure you can classify that kind of ideology as anything other than crazy.

Whilst a lot of people on our side of the political spectrum don’t like big government, I think there’s a massive gap between wanting to reform entitlement programs (as the mainstream right does) and believing that people in authority are trying to brainwash people (as this nutjob does).

 
 

His favorite books, The Communist Manifesto &...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:37PM EDT (link)

Mein Kampf

What we have here is a one of those “liberatarians (not old school), anarchists, liberals” that have been swirling at the bottom of the bowl of ideology, that I have mentioned before.

Can we just call him totally insane?

josephusmyer (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:38PM EDT (link)

I mean, I know people who are fairly libertarian, and they don’t believe government is trying to brainwash people.

Well of course we can call him insane but...ABCCBSNBC

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:42PM EDT (link)

MSNBCCNNNYT etc will call him a Conservative, we know better, those who watch them do not. I did include the disclaimer about Libertarians because those calling themselves that today are not of the classic meaning quite like liberals are not either. Progressives have infested them all and changed their entire identities. I have seen those three supposed ideologies as I say swirling into the bowl of ideologies for years which is why I say it as often as I can so perhaps if there are true Libertarians or liberals left they can fix that which ails them.

Actually, only the courts can

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:55PM EDT (link)

…and until they do, he had a purpose

Well Vassar it is my hope that they do not...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 5:01PM EDT (link)

find him criminally insane because he ought to get the death penalty for his crimes.

 
 
 
 

I think it's sad

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:08PM EDT (link)

that we feel the need to attach this sort of insanity and hatred to an ideology. There are no winners here, political or otherwise: this guy was just unhinged and ready to break. He could have been set off by anything from the color of a cereal box to Edgar Allen Poe: it just so happened that he was set off by fringe politics (which aren’t libertarian, but which I won’t comment on besides that out of respect).

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 

This is exactly right

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:38PM EDT (link)

“….the guy sounded like he had enough material from both left and right to be dangerous, but not an idealogue following a party line.”

The left is going to be so, so disappointed if this doesn’t work out for them.

If you check out this "type" in Europe

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:56PM EDT (link)

…he’s a minion of the Left

Krugman calling this an "assassination attempt"

ladyimpactohio (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 5:00PM EDT (link)

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/assassination-attempt-in-arizona/?src=twt&twt=NytimesKrugman

“We don’t have proof yet that this was political, but the odds are that it was.”

We the people tell government what to do, it does not tell us.–Ronald Reagan in his farewell speech

 
 
 

A final thought on this horrible situation - if any rhetoric is to be throttled back

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:45PM EDT (link)

It needs to start with Barack Obama. A list of his inflammatory language would be very interesting to read. We could start with “hostage takers” – it’s OK to shoot them, right?

 

Jared Laughner's FaceBook Page

Patricia_C (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:59PM EDT (link)

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001935064664

Jared and Neuken Op de Fiets are now friends. · Add Neuken as Friend.
Jared is now friends with Brant Hansil and 10 other people…
Jared added Sara Palin and Sarah Palin to his list of inspirational people..
Jared changed his Interested In..
Jared likes Tea Party Patriots and Sara Palin..
Jared joined Facebook..

He also lists:
_______________________________________________________

Basic Information.Sex Male

Interested In Men
_______________________________________________________

He lists under Activities and Interests:

“Tea Party Patriots”

Other than that, the page is blank.

Of course, liberal activists like “JoeMyGod” are busy putting out the message that this FaceBook page is “fake”.

Interestingly… Remember a guy named Jason Levin? The man who started a website back in April called Crash The Tea Party… The man who encouraged his follwers to infiltrate the Tea Party in an effort to dismantle the organization by destroying the Tea Party through faking events of racism and violence to turn public opinion against them?

Pajamas Media wrote a piece on him back in April of this year.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/whos-behind-the-crash-the-tea-party-website/

A post on his website read:

WHO WE ARE: A nationwide network of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents who are all sick and tired of that loose affiliation of racists, homophobes, and morons; who constitute the fake grass-roots movement which calls itself “The Tea Party.”
WHAT WE WANT: To dismantle and demolish the Tea Party by any non-violent means necessary.
HOW WE WILL SUCCEED: By infiltrating the Tea party itself! In an effort to propagate their pre-existing propensity for paranoia and suspicion. … We have already sat quietly in their meetings and observed their rallies.
Whenever possible, we will act on behalf of the Tea Party in ways which exaggerate their least appealing qualities (misspelled protest signs, wild claims in TV interviews, etc.) to further distance them from mainstream America and damage the public’s opinion of them. We will also use the inside information that we have gained in order to disrupt and derail their plans
Sound like fun? … It is!!

If you try to go to his website today you will find this message:

Notice: This domain has been redirected”
If you are the registrant of this domain please contact
invalidwhois@godaddy.com

http://www.crashtheteaparty.org/

Another interesting thing are those posts believed to have been written by Jared Laughner prior to the shooting in which he mentions poor spelling habits of others as his justification for trying to kill those innocent people today…

Coincidents all?

“Even when you fall on your face, you’re still moving forward.”

If you combine those statements

Scope (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 5:51PM EDT (link)

and the ones about the Gold standard, or whatever he said, is it possible he was a Ron Paul type supporter? The Tea Party Patriots makeup much of what was the Ron Paul Campaign 4 Liberty crowd. The Tea Party Patriots came out in full support against Giffeords. The Tea Party candidate that ran against Giffords, Jesse Kelly, was a libertarian? at least at one time from what I’m reading. There was also a Libertarian candidate that ran against Giffords, but Kelly almost beat her in the last election.

No matter what or who he is, he is mentally unbalanced, and they exist across party lines.

Last paragraph is the money quote:

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:12PM EDT (link)

“No matter what or who he is, he is mentally unbalanced, and they exist across party lines.”

A sane person of any political stripe acting in his right mind wouldn’t have written what he wrote, or indiscriminately killed a nine-year old and God knows how many people

It’s simply disgusting that many feel the need to turn this into yet another event of political gamesmanship: as if the natural result of conservatism was deranged lunatics shooting random people.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 
 

Speaking of scrubbed sites,...

swami7774 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 5:17PM EDT (link)

……until an hour or so ago the DCCC had a page that featured a map of America and several bullseyes in different locations. Each bullseye would call up a Republican congressman who, in the DCCC’s words, was “TARGETED” for pressure re the stimulus.
As I said, that site has now been scrubbed. Wonder why? I took a few screen shots and will post if I can figure out how.

Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism.

Now the FaceBook page I mentioned has been scrubbed

Patricia_C (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 5:26PM EDT (link)

The link oddly takes you to the one I used to find it… MINE!
Dang

“Even when you fall on your face, you’re still moving forward.”

Found another link to ANOTHER FaceBook page for Jared

Patricia_C (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 5:55PM EDT (link)

Very strange…

It’s not the same in appearance as the other (now scrubbed FaceBook page) but it is similar just the same… all the way down to his being a male interested in men,

The posts made by others on his “wall” are interesting to say the least.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001943854736#!/profile.php?id=100001943854736&v=info

“Even when you fall on your face, you’re still moving forward.”

Seems like someone might be faking these FaceBook pages

Patricia_C (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 6:05PM EDT (link)

An effort to make Jared look like a deranged Tea Party member?

“Even when you fall on your face, you’re still moving forward.”

Any Facebook pages are fakes

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 6:09PM EDT (link)

The guy’s Youtube account links to a Myspace account, not a Facebook account.

The Myspace account has been deactivated.

RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

I thought so...

Patricia_C (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 6:16PM EDT (link)

Someone IS trying to paint another liberal (Mein Kamph/ Communist Manifesto reading) psyco as a deranged Tea Party member.

Why am I not surprised… again…?

“Even when you fall on your face, you’re still moving forward.”

I wouldn't call him a liberal or a leftist

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 6:18PM EDT (link)

He was more of an atheist anarchist goldbug, not right or left but just nuts.

RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

I do think who ever is faking the FaceBook page(s)

Patricia_C (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 6:30PM EDT (link)

… is trying to paint Jared as a deranged Tea Party Member…

But I DO get your point of not having any evidence of Jared’s political leanings… yet.

In other words, who ever is faking these pages is not letting “a good crisis go to waste”.

“Even when you fall on your face, you’re still moving forward.”

I do have evidence of his views...

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 6:59PM EDT (link)

… and they aren’t what anybody is saying.

The guy’s a nut, he’s not part of the mainstream right or left.

RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

 
 

Liberal, conservative, whatever...

Greg Garrison (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 7:10PM EDT (link)

…it’s a mistake to personalize the political and politicize the personal. While ideology obviously influences a sane individual’s actions and general behavior, Neil is right on: This guy is crazy, and that’s why he murdered today, not his politics.

We won’t do conservatism or the GOP any favors by talking like the opposition.

http://www.thejoyofreason.com

“The art of compromise, which is central to a successful democracy, is not something that people learn overnight.” – Donald Rumsfeld

 
 
 

Mr. Stevens, is this fake?

Jim Tomasik (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 7:11PM EDT (link)

Someone pointed out this to me.

http://twitter.com/caitieparker

I can’t tell but it looks real to me.

No idea

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 7:45PM EDT (link)

Maybe she knew him, maybe she didn’t.

My point of reference on this guy is his Youtube account, complete with suicidal video.

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"left-wing, quite liberal and oddly obsessed..."

Jeffrey Malbis (malbis) (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 5:39PM EDT (link)

A woman who went to school with Jared Loughner is tweeting some interesting things about the shooter:

(Obvious caveat that there is no way to confirm at this time that she actually does know him, but the following is interesting)

“I went to high school, college, & was in a band with the gunman. This tragedy has just turned to horrific.”

“As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.”

“He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in ’07, asked her a question & he told me she was ‘stupid & unintelligent’”

“he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven’t seen him in person since ’07 in a sign language class”

Her latest tweet is that Good Morning America has called her. It’ll be interesting to see if they actually put her on if she actually did know him.

Obsessed with the 2012 prophecy?

lineholder (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 11:32PM EDT (link)

Wonder if that is a reference to the Mayan 2012 prophecy.

A lot of Gaia-worshippers put heavy stock in that prophecy. Some of them are so obsessed with it that they could easily become dangerous.

One thing about that Mayan prophecy.

gekster (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 11:49PM EDT (link)

Thay say that the Mayans predicted the end of the world because thier calender only went to 12/21/2012, or something like that.
Did anyone ever think that maybe there wasn’t anyone around to make the 2013 calender?
How many times do yo get a calender going past the present year.
They did just up and disapeared suddenly.
OK, threadjack over.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 
 
 

Does anyone else find it weird that NPR first reported that Giffords was dead?

usadying (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 6:06PM EDT (link)

NPR??????? Their so-called news organization should be dismantled. How could you publish something like that without confirmation?

... imagine the horror of Giffords' family after hearing NPR's report of her death...

Patricia_C (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 6:24PM EDT (link)

Just another example of the liberal media writing the headlines they WANT to be reality and to hell with who they hurt.

“Even when you fall on your face, you’re still moving forward.”

 
 

I don't believe in coincidences...a Gibbsism for sure.

melissatx (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 6:13PM EDT (link)

NPR was there as well as Loughner;

But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. John Adams

 

It's halftime, so I'll just say...

Addison (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 6:21PM EDT (link)

Latest information seems to indicate that this person used political thoughts s merely the random bits of lettuce and tomato and Bac-o Bits in his psychotic word salad. If it weren’t the gold standard it’d be FEMA concentration camps or UFOs or lizard people. If this guy was a Tea Party member I’ll be surprised, and if he mentions Sarah Palin I’ll be doubly surprised. But neither would be relevant in any case since a causation implies some level of rational link, and the suspect doesn’t appear to be playing by those rules.

Society needs an early warning system for 20-something males exhibiting signs of a schizophrenic break — but that’s probably impossible because what gets defined as “insane” thoughts would probably be subject to political pressure of all sorts and we don’t want a revisit of Stalinist punative psychiatry…

it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

I agree with you

ModernAgeFan (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 6:50PM EDT (link)

From what I have seen on you tube this guy was barking insane. Its tragic that he was able to kill and wound so many people before he was stopped. It is even more tragic that there are opportunists who would exploit this tragedy to advance their own agendas. The more things change the more they stay the same.

 
 

So his credentials are

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 6:31PM EDT (link)

- Does not believe in God
- Likes burning the American flag
- Dislikes the police
- Favorite books Mein Kampf and Communist Manifesto
- Pretty sure he washed out of the Army in MEPS. I have yet to see anything substantive he was a “veteran”

Product of the Tea Party? You have to be kidding- right??

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

"Army recruit...never made it past the urinalysis."

redneck_hippie (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 7:03PM EDT (link)

Per an Army officer quoted on ABC radio news.


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

 
 

This happened about a block from my house.

minister_of_war Saturday, January 8th at 6:48PM EDT (link)

It’s so sad & so scary. We shop at that Safeway & I have a number of friends who work at the bank in the same parking lot. This monster is pure evil. I understand that he may be truly mentally ill, but he needs to pay for his actions in this life & in the next. Justice will be served. And God will serve the ultimate justice.

I'm sorry to hear that

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:15PM EDT (link)

I shop at that Safeway from time to time, as well, so it took me aback as well.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 

Erick, thank you...

heartlander (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 7:01PM EDT (link)

…for your comments, which are sane and good and true, at once down-to-earth and profound.

I am grateful that you are the face and the voice for so many of us. We couldn’t ask for a better representative.

“The still, small voice of God in every human soul is the greatest ally of the pro-life cause, and why it will ultimately prevail.”
–Donald R. McClarey

 

For those above who are posting about Giffords children

Scope (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 7:23PM EDT (link)

She doesn’t have any children. Just goes to show the misinformation alleyway that even some Republicans buy into. I pray for Mrs. Giffords full recovery, but, we need to watch the next 24 hours, as her surgeon said. I pray she has a full recovery, and, is back in the House very soon. Please get the facts straight guys.

 

Is anyone watching the press conference on Fox

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:19PM EDT (link)

with the Pima County sheriff? He is all but blaming talk radio for “influencing” a mentally ill person. This is unbelievable. He is turning this tragedy into a political opportunity on live television. Sick.

This sherrif seems like a loose cannon

Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:21PM EDT (link)

sooner the FBI takes over the better. He is doing all this speculating about the “tone” of the political debate in this country.

Molon Labe!

Breaking News: Giffords office Pima & Swan, area evacuated, suspicious pkg.

Patricia_C (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:26PM EDT (link)

http://twitter.com/kgun9/status/23898701407723521#

“Even when you fall on your face, you’re still moving forward.”

 

Agree about the sheriff. He is part of the problem.

carolina Saturday, January 8th at 8:30PM EDT (link)

All that talk about bigots and vitriol…….. no wonder he’s received threats too.

 

Amen. He appears to be acting highly

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:31PM EDT (link)

unprofessional and is not up- to-date with the facts.

 

Amen. He appears to be acting highly

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:31PM EDT (link)

unprofessional and is not up- to-date with the facts.

 
 

He's a democrat. nt

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:29PM EDT (link)

he seems unprofessional

Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:32PM EDT (link)

most Democrat Sheriffs are not. He called Arizona the “Mecca for bigotry and prejudice”

Molon Labe!

That Sherriff REFUSED to implement the new law...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:39PM EDT (link)

I meant agenda...but you get the point....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:40PM EDT (link)

WE will have to work very hard to STOP this political poisoning of the Conservative Movement by the media and Democrats. This day people died and a Congresswoman is fighting for her life and they fighting to destroy us!

certainly some are

Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:45PM EDT (link)

it is shameful. Some will do ANYTHING to to score political points and demonize law abiding citizens. We will be forced to defend our rights if what I think the hard left and drive by media has planned.

My prayers are with the dead and wounded, and their loved ones.

Molon Labe!

Perhaps Greta Van Susteren should interview Sherrif Dupnik again. nt

smagar (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 9:01PM EDT (link)

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

The moron Dupnik tells us that there is another person of interest...

minister_of_war Sunday, January 9th at 12:45AM EDT (link)

…but then he refuses to give us any information about who that person is. The irresponsible sheriff tells us nothing about the 2nd person of interest to help those of us who live in the community to have some semblance of comfort in knowing that a 2nd psychopath isn’t out there ready to begin a 2nd rampage.

How dare Dupnik mention another person & not give us some kind of info about that person. Like I said above, my wife & I live one block away from this massacre.

Then on top of that, our stupid sheriff says that Arizona has now become America’s capital of bigotry. From what I can tell, the moron Dupnik has no evidence to show that this tragedy had anything to do with bigotry. He needs to shut up & get back to doing his job. Good thing that the terrorist gunman is now in FBI custody so that Dupnik can’t be the one making sure that he remains behind bars.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Well, I'll be!

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:34PM EDT (link)

Imagine that. Good grief! He just blamed talk radio AGAIN and claimed that they are responsible for this violent act. He should be ashamed of himself and should be removed from office.

This is not a professional way to act in the midst of a tragedy. He is quite a poor reflection of the Democratic Party.

 

Well, I'll be!

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:34PM EDT (link)

Imagine that. Good grief! He just blamed talk radio AGAIN and claimed that they are responsible for this violent act. He should be ashamed of himself and should be removed from office.

This is not a professional way to act in the midst of a tragedy. He is quite a poor reflection of the Democratic Party.

Tucson is a Democratic town with a Democratic media.

smagar (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:58PM EDT (link)

Clarence Dupnik isn’t going anywhere.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

That is sad then.

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 9:18PM EDT (link)

It is such a tragedy that people are throwing political jabs, some abusing their position of authority to do so.

I don’t believe politics had anything to do with this from what I have heard. The person who committed this horrible act appears to be mentally ill. His ramblings make no sense at all.

It just breaks my heart to hear of the loss that occurred today and angry that someone would target a US Representative like this. What a sad day.

Something tells me PLENTY of national media will want to interview the sherriff after this press conference.

smagar (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 9:30PM EDT (link)

It will be interesting to see:

1. How the national media handles him. If, like most MSMers, they dislike conservative talk radio, let’s see what questions they DON’T ask him. If they throw him softballs, that allow him to dance away from the comments he made tonight (or at least not get pinned down on them)…well, that will just confirm what we already suspect about the MSM.

2. What interviews the sherriff declines. It wouldn’t surprise me if reporters who would press Dupnik to really clarify his comments (e.g., Greta Van Susteren), can’t get interviews with him this week. But, don’t be surprised if Anderson Cooper and Morning Joe have him on the air Monday morning.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

 

Had it happened in Maricopa County

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 9:48PM EDT (link)

Sheriff Joe would be spouting drivel on the other side of the political spectrum.

Change

But it didn't mr becker

alvin691 Saturday, January 8th at 9:57PM EDT (link)

And now it is up to you to realize why it didn’t. I would start with Sherrif Joe’s jail system, and that the shooter had been arrested before.

You obviously know nothing about Arizona or

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 10:19PM EDT (link)

Maricopa County. Or the Sheriff’s Department for that matter.

Maricopa County has a much higher crime rate than Pima County and it’s going up in MC and down in PC.

And, you completely missed the point, which was a Democrat Sheriff was making D-talking points in his presser, a Republican Sheriff 90 miles away would not only be doing the same thing, he’d likely be much further over the top.

Change

well that is a shame Mbeck

Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 10:23PM EDT (link)

where I live we have a Democrat Sheriff and he is professional, he focuses on crime, not politics.

Molon Labe!

So glad to see

kestrel (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 10:41PM EDT (link)

this particular bundle of 1′s and 0′s. I didn’t know you were back, Doc. I’m glad you are. Hello to your folks, too, and I hope they’re as comfortable as possible for their situation. Please tell them I appreciate their offsprung collection of 1′s and 0′s. Thanks.

lol Kestrel

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, January 9th at 12:14AM EDT (link)

good memory bud :) Thanks for the kind words, I will tell them. They won’t get the 1′s and 0′s part though.

Molon Labe!

 
 

Yeah Doc it is.

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 10:59PM EDT (link)

And the heck of it is, both will probably die of old age still in office and both will likely serve two more terms after death. And neither of them is going anywhere, NOBODY from Tucson will get elected Governor in this lifetime and Joe as turned down the opportunity to run several times. Plus, he’s older than I am. A lot older.

But politics rule with AZ county sheriffs. I wonder sometimes if Joe drives it and the rest just react because he pisses them off.

Change

seems that way Mbeck

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, January 9th at 12:30AM EDT (link)

even back to the heyday of Tombstone. The town marshal was Repuplican and the county sheriff Democrat. The two town papers were Republican (Epitaph), and Democrat (Nugget), and they were partisan on everything, including shootings.

Molon Labe!

LOL Doc

redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, January 9th at 12:44AM EDT (link)

Redstate wasn’t the same without you. Hope your loved ones are getting along ok.


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

thanks redneck hippie

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, January 9th at 2:13AM EDT (link)

we are doing the best we can. I owe them more than I can ever give them, but I am trying to give them a lot.

Molon Labe!

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

That is sad then.

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 9:18PM EDT (link)

It is such a tragedy that people are throwing political jabs, some abusing their position of authority to do so.

I don’t believe politics had anything to do with this from what I have heard. The person who committed this horrible act appears to be mentally ill. His ramblings make no sense at all.

It just breaks my heart to hear of the loss that occurred today and angry that someone would target a US Representative like this. What a sad day.

Sorry for the double posts

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 9:19PM EDT (link)

IE is giving me fits today.

Try closing it out, and logging back in.

gekster (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 9:24PM EDT (link)

That usually works for me.

And after hitting reply, wait a day or two for it to load.
LOL

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 
 

Sorry for the double posts

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 9:19PM EDT (link)

IE is giving me fits today.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Is anyone watching the press conference on Fox

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:19PM EDT (link)

with the Pima County sheriff? He is all but blaming talk radio for “influencing” a mentally ill person. This is unbelievable. He is turning this tragedy into a political opportunity on live television. Sick.

Most people in Tucson believe that Clarence Dupnik is a complete moron...

minister_of_war Sunday, January 9th at 1:03AM EDT (link)

… today he opened his mouth once again to remove all doubt.

Dupnik *may* be an idiot, but that's not an opinion widely shared in Tucson.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, January 9th at 1:17AM EDT (link)

He’s been the Sheriff since 1980. First appointed in 1980 and reelected 7 times. He’s not the least bit out of the mainstream in Tucson…

Change

There's no "may" about the fact that Dupnik is an idiot...

minister_of_war Monday, January 10th at 8:20PM EDT (link)

… and too often like other local politicians everywhere, the guy seems to get reelected each time only because nobody is paying any attention & his party affiliation happens to be the same as the majority of county voters.

That said, he’s now a national disgrace & everybody now knows it since it’s been so public. He has worked his hardest to ruin the case against the shooter, while at the same time attempting to scare the general public into panic & mocking his voters at the same time. As Moe Lane noted, Dupnik will not win reelection again.

But he really ought to just step down & resign from his office after his irresponsible behavior.

 
 
 
 

They're looking for a second man, in his 50's. nt

carolina Saturday, January 8th at 8:25PM EDT (link)

They're looking for a second man, in his 50's. nt

carolina Saturday, January 8th at 8:25PM EDT (link)

According to Olbermann, Pima County Sheriff

avgjo (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 9:14PM EDT (link)

blames talk radio and ‘bigotry’ for this.

Another article on this:

http://www.huliq.com/10061/az-congresswoman-giffords-shooting-update-hate-speech-blamed

disgusting to politicize this.

Ceterum autem censeo, Obamaecuram esse delendam.

It’s the morality, stupid.

My guess is that Pima County is a hotbed

alvin691 Saturday, January 8th at 10:00PM EDT (link)

for this kind of thought and activity. This kid was a dope-smoking hippie that was arrested before, but not prosecuted in leu of a “program”. Maybe some real time could have straightened him out.

 
 

My prayers to the all those injured and killed, also my thanks and a salute to the brave individuals who tackled this wacko and kept him from hurting anyone else.

Mike Ferguson (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 9:58PM EDT (link)

These people deserve our thanks and to be recognized for their heroism. If there were really bullets left in the suspects gun then they saved lives period. Their actions are the definition of “Hero”

Mike

Let us be sure that those who come after will say of us in our time, that in our time we did everything that could be done. We finished the race; we kept them free; we kept the faith.
Ronald Reagan

 

I keep thinking

kestrel (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 10:29PM EDT (link)

about the nine-year-old girl, but pray for all.

So, soo, soo sad...

minister_of_war Sunday, January 9th at 1:08AM EDT (link)

They had her devastated dad talking by phone on the local news about her.

Her father mentioned that the poor girl was actually born on 9/11. He mentioned how she was born on the day of one tragedy & died on another. He said that there were four members of his small family & now there are only 3. It was so very sad.

 
 

Most egregious example of 'vitriolic speech' is from the President...

rightthemes Saturday, January 8th at 11:04PM EDT (link)

As the Left will predictably use this tragedy to attempt to stifle free speech and attack conservative radio, tv and Internet as ‘vitriol’ and ‘overheated rhetoric’, etc, it will be very important to point out that no less than the current President of the United States repeatedly uses language of vitriol and war; with talk of the opposing side as ‘hostage takers’, ‘the enemy’, etc, he has been absolutely the worse offender and we should hold his feet to the fire as well as the MSM as they attempt to spin this for their political advantage.

This has been an utter horror and tragedy, but we must not give any quarter in this struggle; modern politics is warfare of communication and there is too much at stake to let this event sway us from our goal of defeating the Left. We can not allow them a fee pass on any lies or misinformation that they will attempt.

(No to mention that initial indications that this individual listed the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf among his favorite books – full on far -Leftist if there ever was one. )

And let me state that my prayers are with the families of the victims this evening….

Obama also said

Superheater (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 11:40PM EDT (link)

something about if they bring a knife, we bring a gun.

 
 

It will be interesting to see

jstjoan (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 11:11PM EDT (link)

the changes our elected officials make in handling their public appearances. I hope there is not an over reaction but I certainly don’t blame them for being concerned for their own safety after this horrible tragedy.

Are things getting so heated that it’s time to consider extra security for Congressional Rep’s and Senators? Should they take some of that 5% they voted out of their own budgets and put it toward Secret Service protection? I think I’d support that expense to ensure our government functions properly.

My heart aches and my prayers will continue for all the victims and families that suffered today.

Three questions that destroy most Liberal arguments according to Thomas Sowell:
1. Compared to what?
2. At what cost?
3. What hard evidence do yo have?

You betcha there will be extra security.

usadying (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 11:50PM EDT (link)

And that will further insulate the political elites from their constituents.

 

You betcha there will be extra security.

usadying (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 11:50PM EDT (link)

And that will further insulate the political elites from their constituents.

 
 

Unfortunately Used For Points, or Inevitably

Superheater (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 11:37PM EDT (link)

Unfortunately, the left is using this tragedy to score political points.

Its not unfortunate, its inevitable.

Clinton with McVeigh, Bloomberg with the Times Square Bomber.

I’m still waiting to hear how John Wilkes Booth and Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme (spelling?) were Tea Party members.

 

It's more of an indictment of our times than anything else.

anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 11:54PM EDT (link)

My gut instinct is that at the end of the day for this he’ll turn out to be a seriously mentally deranged person who would have likely shot anyone coming out for an easily accessed local event on the day he chose to go kill someone. Like the guy who flew his plane into an IRS building the media will probably find that the whole real story doesn’t fit the template they tried to force onto the event. Then the media will drop the story like a hot potato.

Sadly many people get shut out or shut off from society and it doesn’t always take a long time to take the trip down the conspiracy/truther rabbit hole of redefining reality to fit this person seems to have walked himself into.

That some will exploit this tragedy for partisan political points is actually a total disgrace in their part that should warrant their removal from office, such as the Sheriff in question and others who are rushing to blame political enemies. But that’s just my opinion.

Razz Etc!
“Best Poker book written ever!!!” – Author’s unbiased opinion…

 

Totally disgusted with MSM & Left on this.

uselogic Sunday, January 9th at 12:38AM EDT (link)

But I sure expedted it. Some female Dem talking head on CNN earlier this eve repeated the lie that during the healthcare takeover debate, “MANY Democratic legislators had their offices and homes vandalized.” Went on to imply violence is all from the Right. Low-life weasels turn a tragedy into talking points they can spread to “bright” folks like Kristie Brown Kelly.

 

May our good Lord give Rep. Gifforts

warkarma Sunday, January 9th at 5:55AM EDT (link)

The strength, spirit, and will to pull through this.

May He guide the actions of her doctors and nurses caring for Gabrielle, and help them act to the best of their professional abilities.

May His kindness and love be with Gabrielle’s family during this trying time.

May He grant eternal peace to those we’ve lost today.

Amen.

There is no right or left in this as far as I’m concerned. This is awful and downright heartbreaking, and I hope she pulls through. Hug your family and be grateful – heaven forbid, it can disappear that quickly.

I support a Mitt Romney / Tim Pawlenty ticket in 2012.

Amen

runner12 (Diary) Sunday, January 9th at 8:11PM EDT (link)

Is there a place where people can send well-wishes and notes of encouragment for her and the others recovery?

 

Amen

runner12 (Diary) Sunday, January 9th at 8:11PM EDT (link)

Is there a place where people can send well-wishes and notes of encouragment for her and the others recovery?