What was billed as a “memorial service” in Arizona last night was more of a pep-rally and celebration of life. It was complete with sloganeering, bumper stickers, and t-shirts.
It is what was needed.
What’s more, Mr. Obama gave a stunning rebuke to his own base who’ve engaged in a horrific blame game all week.
But at a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized – at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who think differently than we do – it’s important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds.
Contrast that with what his supporters have been up to all week. It is disgusting. Let us also not forget that the President’s own Democratic advisors were hoping he would seize on this moment as a way to polarize the country against the right and the tea party movement.
While many will say parts of his speech were campaign-ish, let’s not forget that the President has failed miserably at every speech he has given as President. So a campaign style speech was the only way for him to deliver.
And I think he did as a President must do.
But can he himself, the man who implored Democratic voters to “punish our enemies” and only recently referred to Republicans as “hostage takers” live up to his own words?
This is, after all, a man who got his political start in the home of a terrorist who’d dedicated a book to Robert F. Kennedy’s killer — a man who never repented but who Mr. Obama then gave grant money to.
Will the President live up to his own standard? Everyone can change. Everyone can repent. Let’s hope this President will.
But there is much that still must be done and much the left must still learn.
Yesterday, Governor Sarah Palin delivered a video address on the mess in Arizona. For a week, the left has blamed Palin, not Loughner, for the shooting. Then they attacked her for not responding. Then they attacked her for her response and using the phrase “blood libel,” a perfectly legitimately use of it given what she and the right have been subjected to this week.
But the left pounced.
All week long, the left has said Jared Loughner was persuaded to try to kill Congresswoman Giffords because of right-wing hate. We know that was not true. But here is what else I am sure of.
Out there somewhere is someone who would love to kill Governor Palin. God forbid they do it. But you and I both know there is some crazy MSNBC watcher and Media Matters reader who even now is dreaming of doing so.
And should they try, we can be equally sure of something else. The left will be divided into two camps: (1) bitch deserved it and (2) not my fault.
It is unfortunate. I hope it never happens. But you and I both know the reality in which we live.
Jeff Emanuel
Neil Stevens
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gumpy Thursday, January 13th at 5:32AM EDT (link)But, it was a truely grat & inspiring speech. Hopefully those who have been injured will heal fully including those of us harboring hate.
speech
psychiatrist Thursday, January 13th at 9:50AM EDT (link)Thanks…
Dear Mr Erickson
webbfoot Thursday, January 13th at 3:07PM EDT (link)Wat to go!! Throw a little more gasoline on the fires of hate.
All the extremists like you, right and left, should go to the Grand Canyon, to your appropriate sides and jump over the edge. Than those of us in the middle ground politically will work together and solve the Country’s problems.
Have a safe flight. The view will great on the way DOWN
Do you have any cohearent thoughts.
gekster (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 3:14PM EDT (link)Or did you just come here to throw bombs.
PS. YOU”RE not throwing gas on the flames?
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
Clean up in Aisle 7. NT
barry915barry (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 3:20PM EDT (link)how very droll
streiff (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 3:21PM EDT (link)thanks for sharing
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
You first, we need to know it safe
Juggernaut (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 6:27PM EDT (link)at the bottom. Perhaps if FecalMediaMatters reports back then we’ll trust the bottom is safe. And if there’s water down there, see if you can walk on it like your messiah.
RomneyCare is Right Wing Socialism –
Romney “severely conservative”? That’s the opposite of a “compassionate conservative” like George W. Bush? Actually, we know what a severely conservative is. It’s Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney is no Dick Cheney.
Don't forget, he was starting his 2012 campaign the same day
renny (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 3:13PM EDT (link)I cannot watch o speak any more than I could watch Clinton feel my pain after a couple years.
What else could Obama say? He gave a Kum-byah speech, as many of his speeches have been, and I am not surprised that he didn’t pull a Paul Krugman on stage in AZ. He was in man of the people mode, but I am guessing that is short lived and we will soon see and hear harangues about his enemies and the teabaggers soon again. Because in the end, I don’t think he is all that smart.
Obama will always say what is fashionable at the moment
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Friday, January 14th at 9:23AM EDT (link)regardless of what he was saying a month or two ago.
He acts as if the American people have no memory.
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gumpy Thursday, January 13th at 5:32AM EDT (link)But, it was a truely grat & inspiring speech. Hopefully those who have been injured will heal fully including those of us harboring hate.
What struck me was the t-shirts.
Christine (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 5:39AM EDT (link)I didn’t watch the speech. Couldn’t. But I followed the reaction on Twitter, and was FLOORED when I saw a picture of a staffer setting out t-shirts prior to the event.
Erick, I’m sure it was a great speech, and maybe that is what needs to be said….but I just can’t get past those t-shirts. It’s beyond any word I can use to describe it. Tacky is the first one I think of, but it’s not enough.
This man, who gave a queen a collection of Obama speeches as a gift, who gave a Prime Minister a stack of movies – had to put a logo on a tragedy that took 6 beautiful people away from us and injured so many more.
He handed out t-shirts.
It’s DISGRACEFUL.
The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.
“I would be a poor Commander in Chief”
– Barack Obama, July 3 2008
He's consistent.
Loren Heal (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:22AM EDT (link)You have to love that.
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Join the Concord Project, and follow @lheal, if you dare.
just a little balance, please!
gumpy Thursday, January 13th at 11:47AM EDT (link)He gave a great and inspiring speech. That’s what a Commander in Cheif is supposed to do. Do you think he printed them himself? Do you think he gave his spproval for their sale? Really, what planet are you on?
Look, I hope I'm wrong.
Christine (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:44PM EDT (link)I hope his team isn’t that crass, unfeeling and disgraceful. I hope it was a faked picture or a joke. I really hope so because if that picture was real it is insanely embarassing.
No, I’m not foolish enough to believe he did it all himself. But his team did it and he leads the team. If they did it without his knowledge, he has FAR bigger problems than we already know about.
and they weren’t being SOLD (at least from the picture). They were placed in people’s seats.
The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.
“I would be a poor Commander in Chief”
– Barack Obama, July 3 2008
Look, I hope I'm wrong.
Christine (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:44PM EDT (link)I hope his team isn’t that crass, unfeeling and disgraceful. I hope it was a faked picture or a joke. I really hope so because if that picture was real it is insanely embarassing.
No, I’m not foolish enough to believe he did it all himself. But his team did it and he leads the team. If they did it without his knowledge, he has FAR bigger problems than we already know about.
and they weren’t being SOLD (at least from the picture). They were placed in people’s seats.
The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.
“I would be a poor Commander in Chief”
– Barack Obama, July 3 2008
Yes, I do think he is capable of giving approval for their sale.
The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 1:27PM EDT (link)The man is the epitome of cad.
In fact, I’m surprised his handlers managed to convince him of the importance of outdoing any Hollywood actor in providing a performance he didn’t feel and which runs contrary to his essential socialist nature.
He is ALWAYS in campaign mode
renny (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 3:15PM EDT (link)T-shirts are the least of it.
Go away little troll
uselogic Thursday, January 13th at 1:40PM EDT (link)From your previous posts, your progressive persuasion is obvious.
Go away little troll
uselogic Thursday, January 13th at 1:40PM EDT (link)From your previous posts, your progressive persuasion is obvious.
We're trying not to call people trolls anymore (nt)
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 1:43PM EDT (link)RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
I watched and listened and came away uninspired.
alwaysfiredup Thursday, January 13th at 4:09PM EDT (link)Sorry, you’re not fooling anyone. I saw not a single story today by the MFM where the Left took a higher tone. It’s still all “kill Palin” all the time. If Obama was a great man people would actually listen to him and do what he asks. Clearly he is completely impotent. Put your “great speech” in your pipe and smoke it.
No need to be rude, gumpy. Let's be real, he
runner12 (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 5:47PM EDT (link)and his staff had a significant say-so in what went on. He is the POTUS for crying out loud. Not sure what they were thinking with that one.
By the way, would you be defending those actions as ardently if the President had an (R) next to his name? Just curiousl
No need to be rude, gumpy. Let's be real, he
runner12 (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 5:47PM EDT (link)and his staff had a significant say-so in what went on. He is the POTUS for crying out loud. Not sure what they were thinking with that one.
By the way, would you be defending those actions as ardently if the President had an (R) next to his name? Just curiousl
Second post, just like the first.
jdw4america (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 9:06PM EDT (link)Just a thought…although he fills intelligent, thoughtful, reflective people with an almost uncontrollable urge to vomit, we do know that he is the POTUS. As such, he does have some degree of authority to determine not only the venue of his speeches, but also to set the tone for his speeches. Therefore, if there are freshly printed t-shirts to present to the attendees of said “memorial service,” it is with a high degree of certainty that one may presume he knew about them in advance. To use a familiar phrase – it ain’t rocket science.
That being said, what kind of person gives out t-shirts at a service honoring the victims of a mass murder? Other than a crass, opportunistic, narcissist with a messiah complex, I can’t think of a single soul.
So What?
Superheater (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 11:36PM EDT (link)Good grief man, get a grip. This is like being lectured on fidelity by Tiger Woods.
So you saw Al Capone drop a nickel in the poor-box, big deal.
Here’s a little of BHO’s civility-remember he won’t call it terrorism, but this is how he speaks of his fellow citizens if they are political opponents.
“bring a gun”
“bitter”
“punish your enemies”
“get in their face”
“whose ass to kick”
“hostage takers” (just weeks ago)
In any case, ask the Germans about the value of great and inspiring oratory.
He’s a liar (gifted) and a jackass.
http://www.redstate.com/superheater/2011/01/13/will-you-be-silenced-by-the-fallout-from-tucson/
Are you serious? Someone was selling t-shirts
runner12 (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 5:44PM EDT (link)at a memorial service? That is beyond tacky, it is disgraceful. Who in the world could be so insensitive and frankly inappropriate?
They had concessions open too
alwaysfiredup Thursday, January 13th at 6:14PM EDT (link)So you could get a beer and nachos to go with your sorrow!
Yikes!
wannabeanncoulter Thursday, January 13th at 5:49AM EDT (link)I didn’t watch the speech. Couldn’t. But I followed the reaction on Twitter, and was FLOORED when I saw a picture of a staffer setting out t-shirts prior to the event.
I didn’t see the speech either, and haven’t yet seen the coverage about the speech. But I have to ask you: WHOSE staffer was selling t-shirts? Where was the booth set up in relation to the auditorium? Do you know anything about where the proceeds will go?
Great catch, by the way!
I do think anyone named B. Hussein Obama should avoid using “hijack” and “religion” in the same sentence. — Ann Coulter
The t-shirts were handed out...not sold
dhoerster (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 5:57AM EDT (link)They were placed on the seats in the center. Everybody received one.
I’m basing that on some pictures I saw of event staffers setting for the event.
T-SHIRTS
reformist55 Thursday, January 13th at 9:47AM EDT (link)You PAID for the t-shirts with your tax dollars. Center for American Progress.
It was not was needed
dhoerster (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 5:53AM EDT (link)To me, a big pep-rally/service seems to show a lack of respect. I guess I’m in the camp of low-key and dignified events. But handing out t-shirts? Kind of creepy if you ask me.
A speech from the president from the Oval Office may be what was needed. Not a campaign-style rah rah session. Don’t get me wrong – I thought parts of the speech were good. The venue is what I had a problem with.
Appearance from the White House?
edintexas Thursday, January 13th at 8:34AM EDT (link)Dear Leader couldn’t keep up his schedule for being the President with the least time “at home” if he gave speeches from the Oval Office instead of spending the taxpayer’s money in ostentatious displays of the ability to keep the Secret Service Detail exhausted.
I agree--we didnt need the White House
dudette Thursday, January 13th at 9:57AM EDT (link)Giffords is not dead; the poor judge is not even mentioned most the time. It was over the top. I havent seen the publicity or heard paens of praise such as were spoken in the memorial for any of the bravest acts of courage by some of our military heroes. it was a publicity event for O-hole and a typical touchy feely emotive event. To me it is unbefitting i can’t explain it but way way way too much of everything
It had to be over the top.
The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 1:31PM EDT (link)Remember your Jonah Goldberg: one of the key tenets of Liberal Fascism is to replace religion with the same emotional awe for the secular state. Over the top displays at times like this is the only mechanism they can come up with to try to replace religion. Not that I think they will be successful, but it is the only thing they can wrap their brains around. Sort of the same way they keep thinking if they just explain 0bamacare better people will like it more.
Good point.
bjwilson83 (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 2:54PM EDT (link)I couldn’t help feeling like I was watching an Obama-worship session rather than a memorial service while watching the speech.
Part of replacing religion with
lineholder (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 3:07PM EDT (link)worship of the state.
and much the left must still learn?
macjedi Thursday, January 13th at 5:59AM EDT (link)The Left and particularly the Progressive far Left has nothing to Learn in the sense of gaining command of information to better serve the people. Perhaps they will refine their operating methods while assimilating the Nation; to ‘fundamentally transform’ it into their ultimate desire, a socialist quagmire.
The Left is like the Borg. For the Left, moderation, negotiation, reason and tolerance are irrelevant. We must defeat them every time on every front. We must tackle and subdue every thought and make it obedient to the Truth. For us, this is the Good Fight.
You shall know them by their fruits. One ‘good’ speech from BHO is certainly welcome to a nation longing for ‘good’ leadership and inspiration in these difficult times. Unfortunately for us, it is simply another opportunity by the Left to delude the people into admiring this President enough to give him a second term in office. God have MERCY on us!
Remember!
bigredone Thursday, January 13th at 6:16AM EDT (link)Watch what the man does; don’t pay attention to what he says.
Judgment reserved until I see what he does.
Houdini
robmull Thursday, January 13th at 6:41AM EDT (link)Watch the “left” hand. You are exactly right; “Watch what the man [and (his) base] does, don’t pay attention to what [he] says”. The liberal progressives have a store-room full of secular progressive ideas and regulations, just waiting for an opportunity; or better yet a crisis. Remember the “Top down, bottom up, inside out” ideology of liberal progressives; and now, for the first time, [they] have the entire “top”. Remember though, “We” are the “bottom” and “We” don’t want “inside out”.
Wishful thinking?
steelpier1 Thursday, January 13th at 7:22AM EDT (link)And I’ll be waiting for all of the tigers in India to change their spots. There IS NO GOOD in Barry Sotero.
Wishful thinking?
steelpier1 Thursday, January 13th at 7:22AM EDT (link)And I’ll be waiting for all of the tigers in India to change their spots. There IS NO GOOD in Barry Sotero.
If people had looked at what he DOES...
heartlander (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 9:32AM EDT (link)…and not what he SAYS,
he would not be President.
In 2008, his voting record was there for everyone to see: most leftist Senator in the U.S. But people chose to listen to what he SAID, not look at what he DID,.
His previous jobs were there for everyone to see: “community organizer” (which in Alinskyite organizations has the very specific meaning of agitator/mau-mauer/rabble-rouser/thug-in-chief). Lawyer for ACORN. Co-director (WITH BILL AYERS) of an organization that disseminated grant money to “progressive” groups including groups run by outright Communists. But, Americans chose to listen to Obama’s silver-tongued platitudes and lying instead of looking at his actual record.
If we really cared about actions and not just talk, no way would this communist dweeb be President of the United States.
“The still, small voice of God in every human soul is the greatest ally of the pro-life cause, and why it will ultimately prevail.”
–Donald R. McClarey
That's what I thought yesterday, too.
redneck_hippie (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 10:30AM EDT (link)(I refused to watch). I do not care what kind of praise he gets for his speech. Everything this man does is calculated down to the last bozon. For 2 years, 2007 to 2008 he and his followers managed to cover up exactly who and what he is. Now the same is going to happen from 2011 to 2012. Although it is nice he gave an effective and in most ways necessary speech, I give him no credit. Sorry, Mr. President. If you had an ounce of class or integrity you wouldn’t be who you are. Let’s hear the speech where you apologize for what you have done. Then I’ll start listening.
my thoughts too redneck_hippie
sharonmcp (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 11:13AM EDT (link)For 3 years Obama and gang have called us racists, astroturf, hostage takers, the enemy, hillbilly inbreds, knuckle-draggers and more, that if I mentioned here would get me banned.
Now we’re supposed to forgive and forget in one big kumbaya moment?
Nope, not gonna do it.
“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan
Only words
NickDeringer (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 6:31AM EDT (link)We can be hopeful, but hope without action is meaningless.
I thank God he didn’t blame Bush for this. His followers know this was an obligatory gesture and the rhetoric from the NYT, LAT, WaPo and the rest will be just as vile once the euphoria wares off.
NickDeringer
Blame Bush
robmull Thursday, January 13th at 7:28AM EDT (link)To blame Bush is no longer Mr. Obama’s job; [his] Social Justice advisors tell [him] so. All of the “blaming” served its purpose to get [his] Czars in place [by focusing our eyes in a different direction] to “fundamentally transform” America. SDS radicals, Cass Sunstein and Mark Lloyd are now in charge of the FCC, and Cass and Mark absolutely love how Hugo Chavez eliminated all but the “State” run media in Venezuela. Although Mr. Obama’s words were melting in the air like honey dripping into warm, inviting waters last night, [his] henchmen never rest. You might call them “busy little bees,” but if we’re not very careful, America is about to be “stung” to death by “Fairness,” regulation and debt.
Busy little bees
grammy1 Thursday, January 13th at 11:18AM EDT (link)Sounds like killer bees from the dark continent to me. There is a cure for these killer bee stings. Tea bags!
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. Edward R. Murrow
Agreed with bigredone here.
CJB68 Thursday, January 13th at 6:33AM EDT (link)I have no problem with the message, especially when my mind goes back to one other historic divisive period in our nation’s political arena which took shape not so long after its very founding. Anyone who paid attention during class knows where that one went.
President Obama needs to put his money where his mouth was last night and do something about the hate-mongers amongst his own party. Some of them have quite lucrative and high-ranking positions, both within the government agencies and within the mass media itself. We on the right have been doing our part of keeping the crazies out of the forum. So let’s keep an eye on what the left is doing to prevent another Jared Loner “incident”.
If it happens again, call them on it!
Delusional and Arrogant. The Modern Democratic Philosophy.
Taqiyya
robmull Thursday, January 13th at 7:08AM EDT (link)is what we are whitnessing first hand. Anyone who believes what Mr. Obama is programmed and teleprompted to say by [his] legions of advisors hasn’t paid attention to how Hugo Chavez achieved [his] current liberal progressive stature, First the contrary conservative media has to be regulated out of business; and if you think [that's] not happening as we speak, you are a victim of “taqiyya”. The truth “has no agenda,” but a liberal progressive never stops [theirs].
.
Why would he do THAT?
heartlander (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 9:40AM EDT (link)Why on earth would Obama “rein in” the hotheads in his own party? Anyone who holds their breath for THAT needs to read up on Barry O’s background. The whole REASON he is in the White House is to overthrow this country from within. The name of the game is chaos/dissension/uproar. Do you really have no idea who is behind this man?
The only reason I’m not in complete despair for our country is my hope that perhaps the pushback, indeed the very existence of the Tea Party movement, shows greater resistance than what the Ayers/Soros/Pelosi crowd expected, and that that resistance will prevent them from consolidating total control within the two years they have remaining in their control of the executive branch.
“The still, small voice of God in every human soul is the greatest ally of the pro-life cause, and why it will ultimately prevail.”
–Donald R. McClarey
Heartlander, again
redneck_hippie (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 10:34AM EDT (link)as I stated above, my thoughts exactly.
Wink, wink ...
cam1 Thursday, January 13th at 6:48AM EDT (link)nod, nod …
Election 2012 fully engaged...
unclefred (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:58AM EDT (link)It was a good speech, or would have been had I believed for one second he believed what he was saying. Sadly, he will say anything to secure reelection.
While the announce purpose was to heal the nation, the true and only purpose was to heal his image and obscure his record for the last two years.
Sarah Palin Facebook Death Wish Page
tonywarren Thursday, January 13th at 6:52AM EDT (link)PLEASE report the following page!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-hate-it-when-I-wake-up-and-Sarah-Palin-is-still-alive/129929197021040
It was being reported yesterday.
america1st (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:12AM EDT (link)But they have left it up; of course FB is such a right wing hate site. /sarc
Logic in the mind of a liberal is like a snowflake in the desert: lost, alone and soon destroyed by a hostile environment.
Here's a different link
wrenhal (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 9:39AM EDT (link)yours didn’t work for me: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/I-hate-it-when-I-wake-up-and-Sarah-Palin-is-still-alive/129929197021040
Also, make sure you report it as : Contains hate speech or attacks an individual … And then you can choose a type… I chose disability because they are making fun of Trig and such.
This is the MOST SHOCKING thing
proudmarinemom (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 10:13AM EDT (link)I have seen yet.
I do not belong to Facebook and cannot file a complaint, but this individual must be reported, not only to FB, but to the FBI.
This is getting truly frightening.
Please take screen caps of this FB page.
proudmarinemom (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 10:26AM EDT (link)Forward it to your Congressmen and Senators.
Forward it to the Washington Post and the New York Times.
It will not be sufficient to allow FB simply to take the site down. This person needs to be charged.
Funding Sarah Palin's Defense
rebelyid Thursday, January 13th at 6:57AM EDT (link)Since we have been told we should be responsible for our words, and since the irrational and irresponsible ‘targeting’ of Sarah Palin for any responsibility for the sickening violence in Arizona has caused such an increase in death threats against her that she may have to increase the costs of her personal security, I thought it would be just and responsible if those fools who perpetuated that politically opportunistic, morally retarded hype would contribute to a fund to help Ms. Palin fund her need for additional security.
Very funny.
robmull Thursday, January 13th at 8:19AM EDT (link)Liberal progressives contributing anything but hate to a pro-life, honest, conservative, intelligent woman like Sarah Palin would do nothing to promote [their] radical agenda. If Mr. Obama is not removed from office, soon, for not presenting proper paperwork about who he actually is, America will be taken over by [his] radical regime; who [by-the-way] are already in place as Czars to by-pass Congress, shut-down conservative voice and make Hugo Chavez look like and complete amateur. There is no time left to be soft-soaped by teleprompted drivel.
Where’s the birth certificate, passport, school records, grades, adoption papers, parents marriage certificate, fathers citizenship papers, Indonesian, Muslim school records, UK citizenship, “Foreign Exchange” grants and travel documentation? Have I left anything out?
Yeah, you left out..
wrenhal (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 9:45AM EDT (link)an MRI showing he has more than half a brain.
oh he's brainy all right...
heartlander (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:45PM EDT (link)…in all the wrong ways.
That’s what scares me.
“The still, small voice of God in every human soul is the greatest ally of the pro-life cause, and why it will ultimately prevail.”
–Donald R. McClarey
Spinning
massreader Thursday, January 13th at 7:01AM EDT (link)I am sorry — sorry that I read all these comments —
You people are delusinal — You people are expert ‘spinners’
I am ashamed that that I can call you Americans.
I doubt that this will make it to your blog.
Berns
Spinning
massreader Thursday, January 13th at 7:09AM EDT (link)Thank you for posting my message — I was surprised . Am I the only poster here with an opposeing view of this blog site? Hard to believe that.
Berns
"Delusional, expert spinners"
jbinvirginia Thursday, January 13th at 7:28AM EDT (link)“You people” “Ashamed that I can call you Americans” “Delusional” “Expert spinners.”
This is called free speech, Berns. This makes us DECIDEDLY American, though I would admit some are delusional
I need to report him to Rodney King, Obama's czar of Civility
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:27PM EDT (link)I mean, we all need to get along.
Please explain your opposing view.
napensnake Thursday, January 13th at 7:37AM EDT (link)All you’ve done is call the others “delusional” without explaining how they are misguided. Perhaps all the posters are delusional expert spinners. Honest discourse suggests that you correct them or offer an opposing viewpoint– not merely call them names.
Hello Bern's...
macbookben (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:04PM EDT (link)Welcome to RedState. Like Bill Cosby said during his intro to Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids, “stick around…but if you’re not careful, you just might learn something.
I’m coocoo for cocopuffs delusional, you betcha!
Proud reformed liberal, born-again conservative (since 1999)
I know where you're coming from Berns/Massreader
Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 4:03PM EDT (link)In fact, if I’m correct, I wrote an entire essay about you only yesterday.
You're not clear as to what we're delusional about....
penguin2 (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 7:29AM EDT (link)Nor are we expert “spinners.” Maybe you can clarify what you find so distasteful about our blog.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. – Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. – Vassar Bushmills
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Troll Alert!
sharonmcp (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 7:58AM EDT (link)So, just how much does a Media Matters/DailyKos troll earn these days?
“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan
where'd Berns go?
macbookben (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:09PM EDT (link)n/t
Proud reformed liberal, born-again conservative (since 1999)
Of course it made it to our blog.
Moe Lane (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:13PM EDT (link)You’re the best kind of opponent to have: one with an imperfect mastery of even your native tongue.
We’re just not going to keep you around.
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jbinvirginia Thursday, January 13th at 7:06AM EDT (link)I, too, thought the president did a good job delivering the speech — most of it. Especially when he spoke of 9-year-old Christina and was visibly moved. I felt he was actually picturing his own girls.
But I couldn’t get beyond the cheering section…I didn’t even know about the t-shirts. That would’ve put me over the top. The ridiculous applause at the most solemn of comments. The president did well, which is hard for me to admit, but the rest of the audience, most of which appeared to be university students, should be ashamed. Though, I would also say that whomever wrote this speech should be moved to the campaign dept., and out of the memorial department. The language, considering the occasion, teetered on disrespectful at times.
I also noted the many scriptural references. Perculiar, isn’t it? Or perhaps only when faced with death do progressives turn to a higher power for strength.
Liberal progressives
robmull Thursday, January 13th at 7:53AM EDT (link)are the cheering section of Mr. Obama’s regime. [He] no longer has do do anything but soft-soap the average trusting American; all of [his] Czars are in place and working night and day to by-pass Congress for their radical secular progressive agenda; little crooked radical hands turning “Fairness” dials and presenting tens of thousands of pages of age-old and unread health care bills and bail-outs from every corner of their shady twisted vaults and lock-boxes of Socialistic/Communistic ideology. It’s no wonder [they] have to remove conservative persons and media from America’s honest consciousness; secular liberal progressives only work well on holidays, weekends, in silence and in the dark of night!!!
Agree
jbinvirginia Thursday, January 13th at 8:13AM EDT (link)“He no longer has to do anything but soft-soap the average trusting American…” I would agree with this, but I do think this speech was one of his more moderate, heart-felt ones. I heard just last week, though, that Obama needed an Oklahoma City to turn the hearts of the American people back to him…ironic, isn’t it? Opportunity not wasted?
Progressives hide behind comfortable, disarming language...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:10AM EDT (link)Ignore what he says. Pay strict attention to what he does…
Time will reveal his sincerity.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
Progressives hide behind comfortable, disarming language...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:10AM EDT (link)Ignore what he says. Pay strict attention to what he does…
Time will reveal his sincerity.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
Did you hear the word?
mirac777 (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:41AM EDT (link)GOD?
United we stand…. Divided we fall.. into the pits of Socialism.
Conservatives like her response:
opditch Thursday, January 13th at 7:13AM EDT (link)Note the poll on FNC Special Report online Last night:
“Your reaction to Sarah Palin’s response:”
Perfect in tone and delivery 78.02% (10,274 votes)
Adequate 7.67% (1,010 votes)
Bad timing ahead of memorial 4.36% (574 votes)
…Too political 9.96% (1,311 votes)
http://RPVNetwork.org, http://Vets4Sarah.net
POTUS made a good speech...
southernpatriots (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 7:43AM EDT (link)The POTUS made a good speech. Maybe it will help bring healing to unite the divide. Maybe (not likely) the leftist of his party who were throwing bombs all week at Palin, Limbaugh, Fox News, Republicans, etc. will quit (not even on this issue will they quit! they have core beliefs which prompt this virulence). Obama will be back on the course he has been on, campaign speeches, bordering on hate speech. His close advisors want him to take the tack of Clinton after OKC and rise above it all and be presidential. They think this is his opportunity (his OKC) to seize the moment and gain the momentum, gain back popularity, and prepare for a second term (God forbid!!!).
The sad thing is
wolfeman Thursday, January 13th at 8:09AM EDT (link)There will be quite a few republicans in congress that will go out of their way to work with him and help him prepare for winning a second term.
The "...tack of Clinton..."?
edintexas Thursday, January 13th at 9:04AM EDT (link)You are correct that strategists have advised he take the “tack” of Clinton after OKC, but your recollection of the “tack” Clinton took is more than a little awry. Clinton blamed “talk radio”, he blamed “anti-government sentiment”, he blamed the “militia movement”, he blamed the (so called) gun culture. He blamed everything and everybody on the Right (and some in the middle) for the bombing.
Actually, giving him his due, Dear Leader thus far has been the one to “…rise above it all and be presidential.” I have doubts that this “tack” will continue, but for the moment he’s actually acting as a President should (except for the tee shirts – community organizers can’t help themselves).
I can't see this guy as "presidential" no matter how hard I try!
heartlander (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:49PM EDT (link)BUT
after watching Sarah Palin’s video yesterday, that very word came to my mind quite emphatically.
“The still, small voice of God in every human soul is the greatest ally of the pro-life cause, and why it will ultimately prevail.”
–Donald R. McClarey
0bama kicks off re-election campaign
gahanson Thursday, January 13th at 7:54AM EDT (link)event billed as a “memorial service.” That should be the headline. So what if he can deliver a speech fed to him word for word over a teleprompter, doesn’t really mean anything.
When real leadership was needed, he remained totally silent while his party hacks, and his media lapdogs upped their rabid rhetoric for several days. He could have stopped most of it, but he felt that it might be useful in taking down his most formidable foe, Sarah Palin.
His words last night ring very hollow.
The toxic swill being pumped into the atmosphere can be, and should be, laid directly at the feet of 0bama.
I agree gahanson
sharonmcp (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:23AM EDT (link)0bama kicks off re-election campaign event billed as a ‘memorial service.’
I said the same thing to my husband. I don’t know if even this administration would be crass enough to plan it that way, but once the crowd took it in that direction, Obama was more than willing to follow along.
Although when he said the line about “if there are rain puddles in Heaven, Christina is jumping in them today”, I became a puddle of tears.
“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan
Political Rhetoric
atillathehun Thursday, January 13th at 7:59AM EDT (link)There were moments in the speech when the president directed his words to the nine year old little girl that were uplifting.
Personally I cannot get by his agenda to bring the country into European Socialism.
Speechwriters.
mirac777 (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:37AM EDT (link)Even the most Communistic speechwriters in world history had a flair for turning lies into believable truths for the utterly ignorant sheep of society.Its how they get into power and then remain in power.
United we stand…. Divided we fall.. into the pits of Socialism.
"Will the President live up to his own standard? "
america1st (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:21AM EDT (link)Absolutely.
Pigs will fly.
Satan’s Outriders will win the Stanley Cup.
Every little girl will have a barrel of pixie dust and her own Shetland unicorn.
Logic in the mind of a liberal is like a snowflake in the desert: lost, alone and soon destroyed by a hostile environment.
Had the shooter been
Loren Heal (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:29AM EDT (link)a Michael Savage or Late Night Paranoid Radio listener, it would have been a different story and it would not have taken days.
Rather, the FCC would already be moving. Who knows, maybe they are.
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Barack Hussein Obama
mirac777 (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:35AM EDT (link)No matter what his handlers come up with for him to read off his teleprompter, his deep seeded ideology is still evident. He didn’t grow up in America. During early adult years he worshipped Anti-American hatemongers and radicals.This is at his core and will never change.
He calls himself a Christian, yet cannot bring himself to utter the word GOD at a memorial service. Epic fail exposes another epic lie about his core to even the most naive of observers.
“This is, after all, a man who got his political start in the home of a terrorist who’d dedicated a book to Robert F. Kennedy’s killer — a man who never repented but who Mr. Obama then gave grant money to.”
I hold these truths as unquestionable and all-telling.His first major function as POTUS of a nation in crisis, was to turn a memorial service into a defacto-campaign pep rally complete with free T-shirts and bumper stickers. No spin in the world can change the fact that this man is a danger to our Republic and our freedoms.Yes he truly is “Historic”
United we stand…. Divided we fall.. into the pits of Socialism.
And remember who
heartlander (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:51PM EDT (link)who Saul Alinsky, “father of comunity organizing,” dedicated HIS book to: Lucifer!!!
“The still, small voice of God in every human soul is the greatest ally of the pro-life cause, and why it will ultimately prevail.”
–Donald R. McClarey
Barak Obama's very political essesnce is to Divide
clarioncaller Thursday, January 13th at 8:55AM EDT (link)It is how he sees the world.Class warfare between the “have’s and the have not’s” is how he thrives and seeks to “fundamentally transform America” and to “right” this fundamental flaw in American society.His actions speak louder than yesterdays rhetoric.I’m surprised Eric was taken in my last nights “performance”.Very surprised.
Very true, he does not care if they are dems... its class warfare.
carolina Thursday, January 13th at 9:51AM EDT (link)The ‘best’ result, for me, is that I get to ‘remind’ any hostile dems that THEIR president said to “be nice”. This comes in handy at politico.
I was surprised by Erick's response, too
heartlander (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:54PM EDT (link)I can’t listen to most talk radio anymore for the same reason. Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck, even Sean Hannity sometimes — they are way too willing to give Obama credit where NONE is due.
I occasionally listen to Rush and Levin. They’re the only ones that get it about who Obama really is.
“The still, small voice of God in every human soul is the greatest ally of the pro-life cause, and why it will ultimately prevail.”
–Donald R. McClarey
I just read the speech
belcatar (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 9:07AM EDT (link)I thought the words were good. It’s nice to finally get a speech from him that isn’t a diatribe against Bush. However, it’s difficult for me to separate President Obama from the good points he makes in the speech. If it was anyone else telling me those things, I might be more inclined to believe it was sincere. That’s probably my failing more than it is President Obama’s.
Irreversible
Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 9:09AM EDT (link)Irreversible
The damage Obama has done to this nation is irreversible. It can only be repaired by a change in leadership at the helm of our nation.
In full control of the government, Mr. Obama and his party could not help themselves. They used their unimpeded power in ways which fully revealed their diabolical intent. It displayed an ugly vision based on an overreaching, freedom limiting, oppressive government driven by the whims of their philosophy and not limited by our Constitution. When we peacefully fought back, they dismissed the will of the people as some quaint, uninformed and misguided opinion grounded in ignorance. Simply astonishing.
To ensure the success of his agenda, Mr. Obama has rebuked and dismissed us as some type of “fringe” element for exercising our Constitutional rights as Americans. Those on our side who have spoken loudest against his assault on our freedoms and the heavy yoke of government have been targeted. Yes, I’ll use that word, targeted.
For years Democrats have surreptitiously stacked our courts with their adherents. They quietly advanced their cause through backroom deals and legislation which slowly ate away at our Republic like a cancer. We gave them the benefit of our sincere doubt that these actions were part of a shared, constitutionally rooted vision for our country. We trusted Democrats that good intentions were a basis for their actions or as Jefferson said below “the public good” and we simply differed in “essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good”. But now we know it is nothing of the sort.
Mr. Obama and his party have lost the trust of the American people. Anything he says or tries to achieve will be seen as an attempt to once again disguise their real intent. You cannot ignore the people’s will when holding all the levers of our government’s power, then when your iron fist loses its grip suddenly appear conciliatory. Whether correct or not, it appears dishonest, perfidious and insincere.
A new President will bring a new day. And we need that “change” sooner rather than later.
“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson
Marcus
lineholder (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 1:15PM EDT (link)I keep thinking about this.
This hasn’t changed, Marcus. It is the same now as it was half a century ago. They are much closer to fully succeeding than I care to contemplate out of awareness that despair could easily creep into my own heart and mind.
I keep telling myself that now isn’t the time for despair.
Now is the time for resolve.
Now is the time for new leadership.
We definitely agree on that point.
Lost the link.
lineholder (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 1:16PM EDT (link)Here it is.
http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm
Never Let Liberals Attend Funerals....
themarathonman Thursday, January 13th at 9:30AM EDT (link)Remember the Paul Wellstone Memorial Service and Pep Rally several years ago?
It is unfortunate that every time there is a high-profile funeral of this calibre, libs always find a way to turn it into free advertising. “Funeral??? Great! Break out the cheap t-shirts! Set up the adoring Young Democrats / SDS mosh pit stage left! Load the prefunctory solemn, politically-correct eulogy speech! Make sure the MSM crowds out actual funeral attendees front-and-center! And what the heck…where’s Fred Phelps????!!!” Everything but the light show and fireworks…and they would have provided those if they could have gotten away with it!
A simple, 10-minute speech is never enough for the Soetoro Gang. Respect for the dead? Please.
The Marathon Man
He deserves no benefit of the doubt or accolades Erick
IronDioPriest (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 9:34AM EDT (link)He has been the leader of the lies, hatred, and incendiary rhetoric. Now that he has suffered a political loss, he wants to admonish everyone to play nice?
Screw that, and screw him. He’s called me and you and everyone else who opposes him an enemy. I won’t forget that. The word enemy has a specific definition, and I take him literally.
His plea for civility in the face of political defeat reminds of the scene from “Saving Private Ryan”, where the American soldier is faced one-on-one with a German soldier in the upper room of a house. They begin struggling in hand-to-hand combat, but when the German soldier gains the upper hand, and his blade is about to come down on the American, suddenly the American begins pleading with the German – trying to reason with him to stop.
My point is, Obama is a cynical, malevolent, bitter partisan who has led his side of the debate to unprecedented vitriol, lashing out at the American people as evil, stupid, unsophisticated, and worthy of scorn. He took the fight to us. Now that the political tides have turned, he wants to plead with his enemies (his term) not to push that political knife into his chest, just like that soldier in “Saving Private Ryan”.
I say screw ‘im.
“If we finally fail in this great and glorious contest, it will be by bewildering ourselves in groping for the middle way.”
-John Adams, 1776
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It was was was needed?
reformist55 Thursday, January 13th at 9:43AM EDT (link)Give us a break Erick. T-shirts, cheers and yahooing at a memorial service is what was needed? And don’t say he can’t be blamed for what others do. His supporters paid for and organized the “rally”. Did they act like this a Ted Kennedy’s funeral?
Oprah like
jimpinter Thursday, January 13th at 9:46AM EDT (link)I expected him to end his pathetic “memorial” speech, by telling the assembled, to look under their seats to find the keys to a BRAND NEW GOVERNMENT MOTORS ESCALADE!!!
Will say and do anything to slither into another term.
Nicholae Carpathia, anyone?
Yes, exactly!
bjwilson83 (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 3:05PM EDT (link)I was thinking the same thing. It’s like his advisers are basing their strategy on the Left Behind series.
understanding conservatism
jonaf Thursday, January 13th at 9:48AM EDT (link)To me, none of what the left is doing would be possible if there were a better understanding of conservatism – and if conservatives would articulate their philosophy clearly and fearlessly.
To that end, please take a moment to check out the book Gut Feeling: Why Your First Instinct Is Always Right. It’s about who conservatives are and why they think and believe what they do.
Excerpts can be read at gutfeelingbook [dot] come. This book is one private citizen self-publishing the conservative brand in a way the professionals should (but don’t).
The setup is in.
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 9:49AM EDT (link)Now, any time a conservative disagrees with Soeterro or a liberal on anything, no matter how civil, a guilt trip attack will be launched, “the right is still amping up trouble even after Tuscon.” And the spineless R’s will comply and back down.
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
The president chastises his own party
Heavy Horses (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 10:30AM EDT (link)for aggressive rhetoric drawing unwarranted connections between the Right and the shooter. He deserves credit for that.
I think (hope) we all agree that the anger and hatred has grown to a level that threatens to damage our country. It certainly has no place in civil society, nor is it anything we should be proud of.
I don’t think we should respond with derision. Why not use this as an opportunity to raise the level of discourse to a more humane level?
It really can only help us.
If we’re honest, we have to admit there is plenty of room for improvement on both sides. Why not ask that we do better, while we demand they do too?
Joe
Heavy Horses Farm
For this to be an opportunity
unclefred (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 11:31AM EDT (link)it would require that the other side has a genuine desire to find common ground based on respect for opposing views and opinions.
Do you believe that is the intent of this speech? Do you believe that such a circumstance actually exists on the left? I do not. Their motives are clear. The goal is to silence opposition. If the attempt to pin the “rhetoric on the right” as the motivator of the shooing had succeeded, the left would be pushing legislation to silence us. That failed, so now they seek to influence us to silence ourselves. Any move that induces us to refrain from defending our views because we are concerned about how our discourse will be labeled, hardly helps us.
Provided that it is handled responsibly, anger has a very appropriate place in civil society. If I am mugged, or defrauded, or lied to, or maligned, becoming angry is a completely acceptable response. Anger equates neither to violence nor to hatred. It is inappropriate to lump anger and hatred together.
Until it’s proven false, the most likely explanation that this is merely political theatre kicking off re-imaging Obama and attempting to control the debate for the coming election.
Some observations
sapwolf Thursday, January 13th at 10:43AM EDT (link)1) The words of the speech were OK. No objections.
2) Obama does not believe the words of his own speech. He has no authenticity or sincerity.
3) The shiets and slogans and pep rally were reprehensible.
4) His speechwriters had to override the speech after Sarah Palin’s speech earlier in the day (which was a home run and you know Palin believed what she said and was sincere and honest.
Obama’s problem now is that many of the people who voted for him, especially the Independents, know who the real Obama is and that Obama will never live the words he uttered last night.
Sarah Palin has lived and will continue to live her words.
I heard that Obama
Heavy Horses (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 11:09AM EDT (link)wrote most of the speech himself. I don’t know how that would be verified, but it is being reported as such.
At any rate, I felt his speech was sincere. There was at least one moment when he appeared to be choked up. When he was speaking of the child.
I think we all know that what he said is correct – whether we like him or not. I get the impression that there are those who will endeavor to live up to the ideals he espoused and those that won’t – on both sides.
I believe it is in the best interest of our country, and our children to do so. So I’ll try.
Joe
Heavy Horses Farm
You know HH.
gekster (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 11:28AM EDT (link)You can quit being an Obama apologist any time now.
Since he became a candidate for the Presidency in 2008, we have studied him ad nauseum.
We know all about him, his ways, his intentions,
and his goals, stated and unstated.
We know of his mindset.
We know what he wants to make America.
We have watched and yelled while he tries to dismantle this great country.
From his drilling moratorium to his blantent and unlawfull grab of the internet,
his unconstitutional healthcare bill and his EPA stating
that carbon dioxide, (which we all exale) is a pollutant and needs to be regulated.
This one insincere speech does not a President make.
As one has pointed out, the memorial for Ted Kennedy was a memotial, not a pep rally that this was.
He may have had a somber moment when talking of the child,
but the rest of it was off the script, not of the heart.
He said what he had to say so as not to look to partisan.
And he “chastised” the left and right?
It was more of “I better say something about this so I look nonpartisan” moment.
The majority of posters here allready know of this man, Barack Obama.
You can quit apologising for him.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
What modifications did they make to speech?
sapwolf Thursday, January 13th at 10:47AM EDT (link)After Sarah’s speech earlier in the day, they had to rewrite Obama’s speech.
I’ll bet the original was more partisan, and they would have easily been perceived as not rising above it like Sarah did.
Remember, this is woman who receives regular and numerous and public death threats against her and her family.
If there are any attacks launched on Palin, and the perps are a molecule to the Left of Mark Kirk, Obama will be finished.
The same old rhetoric from the left when they are losing...Blah blah blablah blah,
ihateliberals Thursday, January 13th at 11:11AM EDT (link)Here is an excerpt of he the President’s speech last night and what I heard from the left. . “Blah blah blah blah and then blah blah blah blah blablah, Blah blah blah blah and then blah blah blah blah blablah, Blah blah blah blah and then blah blah blah blah blablah,”
Yes he did very good at turning a Non-crisis situation into a major crisis. The incident in Arizona had absolutely nothing to do with politics. But as a point to be made the shooter was a Democrat but does not read the news, listen to the news and especially did not listen to talk radio. Essentially, the gunman was nothing more than a punk nut job with a suicide by cop mentality.
There is no blame to be placed here unless it is on a failed mental health system. A system that turns it’s back on those that are a danger to themselves and others. Loughner was that type of character. With the number of arrest and even a stop by police the morning of the incident this man should not have been able to pass an FBI screening nor should he have been walking the streets.
You can always tell of how sacred the left is becoming when they try to start working with the right or they start this let’s all get along together Krap that they will not do when they are in control. Compromise is not in the vocabulary of a Liberal until they are backed into a corner and they can’t move. This was very evident a year ago when Obamacare was being shoved down our throats. Where were the kind words then Mr. President? Where was the transparency then Mr. President? Where was the empathy, kindness and compromise then Mr. President?
People think we live in a very harsh political environment these days. This is nothing compared to the violence incited by the Unions in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s. People actually took their opinions to the streets and had fist fights about it. No we live in a kinder gentler time. This cutesy little speech may bring about a few days of disorientation but when the President and the Senate get back to business as usual the American people’s memories will emerge again and we will remember the lack of compromise and civility from the Democrats when they had the power.
I hope and pray that nothing happens to Governor Palin but with the whack-o’s that are out there and the glory seekers anyth9ing can happen.
So here is some more of the Presidents speech. “Blah blah blah blah and then blah blah blah blah blablah, Blah blah blah blah and then blah blah blah blah blablah, Blah blah blah blah and then blah blah blah blah blablah, “
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glorious Thursday, January 13th at 11:26AM EDT (link)right!
Obama makes the memorial about himself
givemefreedom Thursday, January 13th at 11:12AM EDT (link)Did he use teleprompters, or did he speak from the heart? I say telepromters.
What I saw was a failed president taking the opportunity to show an empathetic side of himself rather than his recent facial countenance that comes from being continuously nationally ostracized and pathetic.
His attendance wasn’t necessary, the people of Arizona would have done just fine without his control of the podium and hence the memorial.
What he should have done is announce that his federal government was dropping it’s law suit against Arizona and in the process give other mental patients reason to stand down. Sending in troops to help control the Mexican border and to quell impending, riots would go a long way to help Arizonans pass through this horror story of 2010-2011.
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glorious Thursday, January 13th at 11:25AM EDT (link)you are right
pep rally for BO
glorious Thursday, January 13th at 11:24AM EDT (link)I have never heard cheering at a memorial service. Because it is NOT appropriate. The whole tone was wrong. I appreciate that he didn’t say to shoot Sarah, but that’s about all I can say that is commendable. Clearly a political op for BO. You are too nice, Erick. Contrast with FT. Hood. Is a member of Congess really more important than our military? Is it really more serious when one mentally ill man shoots someone than when an Islamic terrorist carries out jihad? The Emperor is naked. Keep pointing i out.
glorious one of the things I remember most about the Ft. Hood memorial
sharonmcp (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:00PM EDT (link)was when Obama and his wife came into view as they were walking to the stage, and the crowd erupted into applause, cheers and whistles.
I was appalled, and heartbroken for the families of those who had lost loved ones, that these people showed such a lack of respect for the grief the families were going through.
Just shows the mindset of those that support him.
“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan
and don't forget...
macbookben (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:20PM EDT (link)…the political opportunism on display at Sen. Paul Wellstone’s memorial in ’03. It sounded like a pep rally against Bush
Proud reformed liberal, born-again conservative (since 1999)
I watched the service....
jiminga Thursday, January 13th at 11:44AM EDT (link)until Obama switched to campaign mode and I switched to the DIY channel. The only reason for Obama, J-Nap, and the AG being in attendance was an attempt to burnish their images, which is desperately needed. We are now supposed to view them all as nice people, rather than rank amateurs that are in way over their heads. Where were the cabinet members after the Ft. Hood jihad attack?
Welcome to the 2012 campaign.
No Surprise
hendrig Thursday, January 13th at 11:55AM EDT (link)They were all saying that we shouldn’t jump to conclusions just because the Ft Hood shooter was a Muslim. Now they are falling all over themselves to get in front of a camera and blame everyone that doesn’t agree with them.
I do the exact same thing
proudmarinemom (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:02PM EDT (link)when Obama appears on the screen.
I can basically frame an entire house, hang and finish drywall, install plumbing fixtures, run electrical wiring and build a stainless steel water feature in my living room, thanks to all the hours I’ve spent watching DIY and HGTV to avoid listening to Obama.
I owe the beauty of my home to Dear Leader.
I hope ...
Heavy Horses (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 11:45AM EDT (link)I hope one day people on all sides will see that hate and anger spring from fear. If we loose our fear our anger melts away. Displays of anger and vitriol are really nothing more than admissions of our fear.
It is hard to be brave and it is hard to be kind. I know that from personal experience. I hope we can all at least agree it is important to try.
(My account will be deleted buy the time you read this)
Joe
Heavy Horses Farm
Yes, I am afraid...
glorybee Thursday, January 13th at 12:31PM EDT (link)…that liberals will succeed in curtailing free speech & free thought
…that liberals will finish destroying the American free-market economy
…that liberals will continue to purge our culture of modesty, industry & manners
…that liberals will succeed in making marriage fungible and abortion universal
…that liberals will bring to ruin our defensive capabilites, and the will to use them…
…and that makes me angry.
Political Agendas
hendrig Thursday, January 13th at 11:46AM EDT (link)The people who are using this tragedy just to push their own political agendas turns my stomach. It seems they want to pin the responsibility on everyone but the person that pulled the trigger.
I agree Obama said the right things
mspector (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:00PM EDT (link)and set an appropriate tone. But a great speech? Let’s not get too caught up in the rock-star mythos.
Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address lasted barely 4 1/2 minutes; he stood up and sat down so quickly that the official photographer didn’t have time to get set up to take his picture.
Reagan’s speech in honor of the Challenger astronauts lasted about 12 minutes.
Clinton’s speech in honor of Oklahoma City lasted about 18 minutes.
Sarah’s video message yesterday lasted 8 minutes.
Obama’s speech lasted 37 minutes. As for the left-wing circle jerk and “tone” in our “political discourse”, Obama didn’t say anything Sarah didn’t. Perhaps it makes a difference that it came from him (though there were shots at Dupnik applauding Obama’s comments in this vein, so probably not). And I may have missed it (I could not force myself to watch for more than a couple of minutes at a time), I don’t think he made any references at all to his own over-the-top, hateful rhetoric in 2008 and 2010. If he had been man enough to do that, I might feel a little more respect for his performance than I do.
The bulk of the speech featured Obama droning on and on, telling us vignettes about all the victims. His style was wooden and lifeless. If you could listen to it without the background noise (squeals, cheers, applause) you would most likely just fall asleep.
Yes, the victims need to be remembered as do the people who took Loughner down. But so too did the soldiers at Fort Hood. So did the students at Virginia Tech. I may have been asleep at the time, but I don’t remember Obama giving a 37-minute speech on the soldiers’ behalf (or saying anything at all, for that matter, beyond warning us all not to rush to judgment regarding the motives of the Muslim shooter), or taking a 20-car motorcade down to VT to console the students there.
Make no mistake: this was about the shooting as a political event. Does anyone think that we would have gotten this show if Loughner had aimed at Giffords and missed?
And about that squealing and cheering. The first time he heard it he actually looked taken aback. At that moment he could have said something to the effect of the gathering being a memorial and asked people to act accordingly. He did not do so. Instead he embraced it and increasingly played to it, all in accordance with Alinsky’s dicta of having no plan and responding to the moment as it unfolds.
I’m happy that Obama said the right things, though as usual with him the event was over the top and came as close as possible to being more about him than the situation in Tucson.
“Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.” (Thomas Paine)
“A friend of mine was asked to a costume ball a short time ago. He slapped some egg on his face and went as a liberal economist.” (Ronald Reagan)
Totally agree.
uselogic Thursday, January 13th at 2:16PM EDT (link)Not to be totally crass but… more folks died in Tennesse & Kentucky during the flooding last year. Where was this president then? Not a visit, not a peep. Same from Big Sis and the other camera hogs from last night. And the cheering and coordinated t-shirts made me vomit in my throat a little.
It could have been done with dignity and respect but that is not what these folks do. They do campaign events. Compare that to Bush quietly meeting military families at Dover & the WH on the QT. Asked for no coverage, out of respect for the fallen soldiers’ families.
The only reason Obama was in Tucson
ihateliberals Friday, January 14th at 9:45AM EDT (link)ws becasue of congresswoman Giffords. whether she was shot or shot at and missed did not make any difference. It was something they could turn into a crisis situation. He nevers let a good crisis go to waste.
The only reason Obama was in Tucson
ihateliberals Friday, January 14th at 9:46AM EDT (link)ws becasue of congresswoman Giffords. whether she was shot or shot at and missed did not make any difference. It was something they could turn into a crisis situation. He never let a good crisis go to waste.
Exactly Why?
cowatchman Thursday, January 13th at 12:06PM EDT (link)I still fail to find the reason just why every tragic event anymore is a reason for a President to heal and comfort a nation. We have had tragic events equal to this before where past Presidents spoke to the nation but that was a speech delivered from the Oval office. When they attended memorial services they took strides to lessen their role so as to give respect to the memory of the departed. While I believe there were rare moments where the speech was well delivered and the content proper but in contrast to other events it was not the time or the place for President to use for a test for political sound bites. One only had to watch and listen to the cheering and clapping by the students and others in attendence to know they were egged on by unneeded political remarks.
The President can deliver a good speech we know that but with his authority he should have told his staff and those who were to also speak that this was for the victums and not a campaign rally. While his remarks did as Erick wrote “Mr. Obama gave a stunning rebuke to his own base who’ve engaged in a horrific blame game all week” he could have used his voice and his title to rebuke the moronic audience made up students. If the President could go off script to provide false hope by saying Congresswoman Gifford “opened her eyes” he certainly could have settled an unruly crowd and reminded them that this was a memorial for the victums and the families. Second point even to mention that the Congresswoman opened her eyes is to give a false hope that she will heal completely from her wounds. That alone was snapped up by the press as a key moment in the speech giving the impression that she wasn’t healing before Obama made his visit and now a miracle has happened before the eyes of a nation. What in the world was the President doing to mention it in the first place. Doctors will tell you that patients will do things such as the Congresswoman did sometimes in a change for the good and sadly sometimes they do it before expiring. To equate that with a dramatic change for the good is simply not true. He should have been more cautious and released that quietly after the memorial
In contrast the students of Columbine High School in Littleton Colorado showed more class than the students which attended last nights memorial.
These were college students not third graders. Former POTUS Clinton waited until most of the memorials had finished and to his credit he didn’t attempt to make it all about him. Whoever decided to place T-shirts at the event should be fired. That was very tacky if it came from the President’s office staff. That said one has to question the many hypocritical statements President Obama made in his speech. I find it hard to believe the words President Obama said last night given the numerous times he has outright lied, showen disrespect, and used language that one could say far beyond crosshairs on a map. If the President actually means what he said NOW is the time to show it and work with the otherside and really heal the nation. Even if that means signing a bill to repeal a bad law that bears his name.
I’m afraid that just like his words this man is very hollow.
That is why he had Michelle there...because a stuffed shirt
melissatx (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:25PM EDT (link)makes a hollow suit look so much fuller.
Right words? Maybe.
It appeared to me to be the kickoff of his 2012 run, from Tucson.
But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. John Adams
That is why he had Michelle there...because a stuffed shirt
melissatx (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:25PM EDT (link)makes a hollow suit look so much fuller.
Right words? Maybe.
It appeared to me to be the kickoff of his 2012 run, from Tucson.
But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. John Adams
Actually cowatchman
sharonmcp (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:48PM EDT (link)I just watched the most recent press conference by her doctors. According to them, the congresswoman can move both arms and legs and is seeing out of both eyes.
They even had her sitting up and dangling her legs over the side of the bed and she was able to lift them both when asked to. They hope to have her sit up in a chair tomorrow.
They will not know if her speech has been affected until they remove the breathing tube, which they hope to do either tomorrow or the day after.
When asked if Rep. Giffords recovery was a miracle, one of the doctors said they would be foolish to deny that medical miracles don’t happen often.
“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan
btw
sharonmcp (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:50PM EDT (link)In no way am I implying that she opened her eyes because her hospital room had been graced with the presence of Obama.
“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan
I'm very glad that Ms. Giffords' condition
lineholder (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 1:32PM EDT (link)is improving. This is great news!!!
I personally don’t care that much about the “spin” that is placed on who was or was not with her when she opened her eyes.
Noted
cowatchman Thursday, January 13th at 5:27PM EDT (link)However I will stand by my statement it should not have been said, she could have had a turn for the worse. (God Forbid) Obama didn’t think far enough to see both sides but only to promote his own image as the “Messiah” label he had during his campagin. Granted medical miracles happen daily with the birth of every child, cancers that shrink and or disappear, and wonder drugs discovered. I am aware of that but in honesty how would everyone react if indeed it turned out bad. This President has a bad habit of shooting off his mouth at times when he should just keep quiet.
Consider his comment about the Cambridge police acting “stupidly.” How would the reaction have been had the Congresswoman expired over night.
Perhaps I didn’t choose the right words in expressing that view but it is something as one in leadership President Obama should have considered before making such a public statement. I did speak from personal experiance I made a comment to a young man who was growing in to his body with less than graceful results. When he stumbled for the 10th time at work I said something to him saying: “____, I worry about you, if you keep that up you won’t make 30 years old.” Innocent remark given to the situation or so I thought. Two hours later that same young man was gone. He had an overlooked heart problem that took his life. The words I said haunt me to this day. I had no idea and neither did the youngman’s parents. This is why I would have cautioned the President from saying what he did at the memorial service last night. He should have errored on the side of caution.
President Shelton
proudmarinemom (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 1:05PM EDT (link)should have instructed students that this was to be a solemn occasion and not a pep rally for their political candidates, but, of course, it is not politically correct these days to instruct students to behave appropriately.
Virginia Tech students observed their own occasion with dignity and reserve. But then, there were no Democrat operatives whipping them into a frenzy and giving out pom-poms and t-shirts.
5,ditto,amen nt.
bobmontgomery (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 1:26PM EDT (link)If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington
Mr. Obama's Speech Vapid and Directionless
kipling (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:29PM EDT (link)Mr. Obama’s speech last night had no central theme and seemed rather pointless. His basic theme seemed to be: Evil exists in the world so we should be nice to each other.
Mr. Obama raised several themes but never developed them. He borrowed passages from Reagan – “city of God” – and Lincoln – “government of the people;” but he never developed those themes.
He never provided comfort to the family and friends of the victim nor did he put the tragedy in a larger perspective – just think of Reagan’s comments about the space shuttle explosion.
I am still not sure the purpose of the first Scriptural quote he gave.
I WAS impressed with Daniel Hernandez.
melissatx (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:34PM EDT (link)HE was inspiring.
But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. John Adams
I WAS impressed with Daniel Hernandez.
melissatx (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 12:34PM EDT (link)HE was inspiring.
But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. John Adams
Photo-op Alert
gs425 Thursday, January 13th at 12:48PM EDT (link)This speech would have resignated more had it been given on Saturday while the left wing smear maching formally known as the MSM was getting into full swing blame mode.
Instead, they wait 4 days and base the entire photo-op on the most positive feedback, that being most Americans don’t believe political ‘rhetoric’ was too blame for the loon shooting everyone in site.
This man is nothing more than a political opportunist.
Gabby Giffords for Veep?
chihank Thursday, January 13th at 12:53PM EDT (link)The Dems are milking the AZ shooting to the max. I get the erie feeling that Obama might dump Biden from the ticket in 2012 and put in Giffords as the Veep to play up the sympathy vote.
Yes, but . . . . . .
dws1151 Thursday, January 13th at 7:38PM EDT (link)“The dems are milking the AZ shooting to the max”
No doubt. But, of course, that’s what politicians and their facilitators do. Nobody should be surprised! And, you must remember that the Republicans milked the Major Hassan shooting at Fort Hood “to the max” as well. I suppose it goes with the territory: Lie with dogs, rise with fleas!
Tell me what Republican "milked" the Ft Hood shooting.
gekster (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 7:43PM EDT (link)Give ma a link so I may be enlightened.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
One glaring difference w/Ft. Hood
oblio Thursday, January 13th at 7:53PM EDT (link)is that it WAS perpetrated by a Muslim in the name of Islam. There is no such causality with the Right/Palin & Tuscon.
More importantly
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 7:59PM EDT (link)I am not aware of any movement conservatives calling for restrictions of speech on average Muslims, or any substantive reaction besides ensuring tighter security and less gun control at military bases.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Imagine my wonderful surprise....
bobmontgomery (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 1:32PM EDT (link)…upon going totTownhall this morning and reading this, from Debra J. Saunders ; “This is a free country. If Sarah Palin wants to run for president in 2012, she is free to try. But she will not win the GOP nomination because Republican voters are not going to choose a middle-aged version of Britney Spears — a figure whose most evident talent is to attract attention to herself — to challenge Barack Obama. “
If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington
That's...a different perspective
lineholder (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 1:36PM EDT (link)from any I’ve heard so far.
I am no longer shocked...
bobmontgomery (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 2:05PM EDT (link)….by any comment I hear or read, from any quarter. Debra Saunders writes for the SF Chronicle, but she is no Paul Krugman, she is no Keith Olbermann. I have read many a piece by her which seems common-sense. So where does the “middle-aged version of Britney Spears” and the “whose most evident talent is to attract attention” come from? It comes from the same uncomfortableness, the same fear, the same entitlement mentality that Sarah Palin identified when she said when she wasn’t going to Washington to seek the good opinion of the inside-the-beltway types. And I am not plugging for Sarah here.
If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington
bob, I'm not shocked.
lineholder (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 2:30PM EDT (link)It’s just a different perspective from any I’ve heard so far.
There are a lot of questions that conservative females have about whether or not Ms. Palin can provide the kind of leadership that our country needs right now. I’m one of them. I’m willing to try to be open-minded about it, but I do have my share of questions about it.
I don’t know that I would go so far as to identify Ms. Palin’s actions as some sort of “attention-seeking behavior” though.
These so-called journalists
proudmarinemom (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 2:40PM EDT (link)are beyond mean.
To keep piling it on like this, relentlessly, amounts to sadism.
This woman, regardless of her political beliefs, governing ability, personal appearance, manner of speech and breeding is the MOTHER of five children. She is a human being, or have people forgotten that public figures are made of flesh and blood?
I had no intention of supporting Palin before this event occurred, and I don’t know whether I’d give her my vote, however, she will get 100 % support from me in her fight against the unfair maligning that continues five days after the event.
This goes way beyond disagreement on policy. Really sick.
proudmarinemom have you seen
sharonmcp (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 6:00PM EDT (link)the things these self-described, compassionate, tolerant people have said about her youngest, Trig?
Disgusting!
Of course that started after they finally had to accept that he actually is Palin’s son and not her daughter’s.
I can honestly say that in the 3 years Obama’s been in the spotlight, I’ve never read or heard anyone from the right make a disparaging remark about the Obama children. Not saying it hasn’t happened, just that I’ve not heard of it.
“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan
A memorial, or fund raiser?
missyjanie Thursday, January 13th at 2:49PM EDT (link)The Presidents speech was good, a bit lengthy, but good. Was it in pure campaign style? Depends on ones own perception.
The left has stated, prior to 1/8/11, that Obama needed his own Oklahoma City, Timothy McVeigh. Is that the realreason BHO flew to Tucson? After all he never has bothered to go to the border. He still hasn’t even though it is a mere 60 miles from his personal appearance.
Did you know they were selling admission? Why then would other souvenirs be outrageous?
This is just another “seize the opportunity” moment in my opinion.
My other question is, when we begin to hear the world/national news again?
missyjanie, we probably won't
lineholder (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 3:02PM EDT (link)hear world news from the MSM, but there are conservative newspapers with sites on the internet. You might try that.
Just remember that another nation’s definition of “conservative” isn’t exactly the same as our own.
This is getting scary.
bjwilson83 (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 2:51PM EDT (link)The left has ginned up so much gut level hatred toward Palin that an attempt to physically harm her is bound to happen sooner or later. Part of me wants Palin to stand up to the left, but sadly part of me wants her to back down just for her own safety. It’s a sad state of affairs in America today. And all this when we have a Democrat President and Senate!
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed Obama has developed a noticeable crease across his chin?
nvrepub (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 3:23PM EDT (link)I don’t remember him having that a couple years ago.
The mote in one's eye
redgrayandblue Thursday, January 13th at 4:38PM EDT (link)First, as a centrist, let me say it was nice to see a nice word about the President on this site.
However, I did have to laugh because you attributed the President’s remarks about civility as applying to Democrats–I guess he told “them.”
Then you immediately proceeded to give “uncivil” remarks about Democrats and framed the Democrats as being vicious and promoting the killing of Sarah Palin–now I have definitely heard negative things about Sarah from the left–but that isn’t one of them. On the other hand, I’ve heard Pelosi called a bitch and worse many times by the right–in fact, probably on this site.
There’s a Biblical lesson here–And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Translated: We can see the sins of others–while we are often blind to our own.
Palin Death Wish Tweets Re Tucson Shooting from Legal Insurrection on Vimeo.
With all due respect sir, please be honest
runner12 (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 6:08PM EDT (link)about who you are and what you believe. I have read many of your comments and they never seem centrist. When you begin your sentence by being “surprised” by seeing something nice about Obama on this site, you out yourself.
If you are a liberal, that is fine. We welcome honest debate as long as it does not get ugly. But please be honest and up front. Extend to us that courtesy.
The reason why we are saying that his remarks regarding civility were directed at Dems is because of the baseless hate we heard spewed towards us over the weekend. Pardon me sir, but were you watching the news? Palin was accused of being an accessory to murder as well as the Tea Party.
On a regular basis we are called homophobes, racist, and ignorant whenever we disagree with any talking points of the Left. There are sites laced with profanity who are dedicated to spewing hatred of conservatives, Why don’t you trot on over to Daily Kos for some examples? Maybe you can post a similar comment there regarding the need for civility. This is not meant to be sarcastic, I am being completely serious. But beware, people here are much kinder in their replies than there. You may see a few four-letter words flying around.
With all due respect sir, please be honest
runner12 (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 6:08PM EDT (link)about who you are and what you believe. I have read many of your comments and they never seem centrist. When you begin your sentence by being “surprised” by seeing something nice about Obama on this site, you out yourself.
If you are a liberal, that is fine. We welcome honest debate as long as it does not get ugly. But please be honest and up front. Extend to us that courtesy.
The reason why we are saying that his remarks regarding civility were directed at Dems is because of the baseless hate we heard spewed towards us over the weekend. Pardon me sir, but were you watching the news? Palin was accused of being an accessory to murder as well as the Tea Party.
On a regular basis we are called homophobes, racist, and ignorant whenever we disagree with any talking points of the Left. There are sites laced with profanity who are dedicated to spewing hatred of conservatives, Why don’t you trot on over to Daily Kos for some examples? Maybe you can post a similar comment there regarding the need for civility. This is not meant to be sarcastic, I am being completely serious. But beware, people here are much kinder in their replies than there. You may see a few four-letter words flying around.
What a crock of crap
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 6:17PM EDT (link)First, this is just utter stupidity:
“I’ve heard Pelosi called a bitch and worse many times by the right–in fact, probably on this site.”
Really? How about a link to just one on this site? Or is “probably” your little get-out-of-jail-free card? Waiting…
And then this tripe:
“Then you immediately proceeded to give “uncivil” remarks about Democrats and framed the Democrats as being vicious and promoting the killing of Sarah Palin–now I have definitely heard negative things about Sarah from the left–but that isn’t one of them. ”
Take a look at this, then report back, homey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s4YfBKs39Y
Honestly, do you think you centrists / leftists have any credibility at all any more? PARTICULARLY about this issue?
Try again, but harder. Your cover is coming off.
Do not come into this house and insult your host.
proudmarinemom (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 6:29PM EDT (link)Your little hit-and-run diatribe demonstrates your cowardice spectacularly.
Provide evidence to back up your scurrilous accusations or be gone. Before someone drops a house on you.
Do not come into this house and insult your host.
proudmarinemom (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 6:29PM EDT (link)Your little hit-and-run diatribe demonstrates your cowardice spectacularly.
Provide evidence to back up your scurrilous accusations or be gone. Before someone drops a house on you.
You obviously were not on Teh Twitter, then
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 7:56PM EDT (link)all manner of tweets flying about calling for the assassination of Palin. I’m not a super-fan of the old gal, but that’s some pretty heavy-duty vitriol. You know what, though? If Sarah Palin were to be assassinated, I would not blame the broader left’s rhetoric for it, call for restrictions of speech, or try to get my unrelated political agenda passed “in honor” of Palin. I would blame the party responsible: namely the assassin in question. I would also have unkind words for leftists in jubilation over such a senseless act, just as I would for any rightist/Republican who has done so in the wake of the current tragedy. (I do not know of any who have done anything so repugnant vis a vis Giffords, but if you manage to find any, my take on them ain’t what you call civil.) The above response is (with the possible exception of trifling details here and there) exactly replicated among movement conservatives. But hey, I guess such consistency cannot be expected of a “moderate” such as yourself.
BTW, FreeRepublic is the place to go if you want to see “uncivil” language used with regularity to describe other people. IMO, it is a cesspool more representative of standard incivility on the internet than of Republicans as a group.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Oh, good, I can imbed Vimeos, too.
Moe Lane (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:08PM EDT (link)Good to know.
The Kim Kardashian of blogging.
Check out my blog at http://moelane.com/.
http://moelane.com/filthy-lucre-filthy-lucre/
http://twitter.com/moelane
My (combined) wish list.
oh really redgrayandblue?
sharonmcp (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 6:19PM EDT (link)“you immediately proceeded to give “uncivil” remarks about Democrats and framed the Democrats as being vicious and promoting the killing of Sarah Palin–now I have definitely heard negative things about Sarah from the left–but that isn’t one of them. “
You might be interested in this video that was pulled from youtube today because of it’s calls for violence and death against Palin and her family.
It may not be the democratic leadership itself calling for Palin’s death, but who do you think set their rabid dogs loose on her?
Warning, vile and disgusting language is portrayed.
Palin Death Wish Tweets Re Tucson Shooting from Legal Insurrection on Vimeo.
“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan
From what I hear, President Obama avoided
runner12 (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 6:21PM EDT (link)being partisan in his speech last night ( I was not able to watch the speech ). For this he should be commended, but not praised. I expect my President to show common sense and compassion in the face of tragedy. There is not much merit in doing what should be simply par for the course.
I am also not ready to claim that he is now going to “move towards the center.” This belief is based on his past behavior. He made many claims prior to winning the Presidency, many of which sounded centrist. But there was always that troubling aspect of what his actions had been in the past. But no matter, right? After all words and a pretty speech are all that was needed.
Once in office he launched the most audacious power grab in the history of the United States. He took over banks, the car industry, and the health care system. He ran up the deficit in an unprecedented manner. Under his leadership, the FFC launched multiple attacks against the 1st Amendment.
With all of his past ACTIONS, I am not willing to now deem him something he is not after a good speech. He was and still is an ultra left-wing President.
From what I hear, President Obama avoided
runner12 (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 6:21PM EDT (link)being partisan in his speech last night ( I was not able to watch the speech ). For this he should be commended, but not praised. I expect my President to show common sense and compassion in the face of tragedy. There is not much merit in doing what should be simply par for the course.
I am also not ready to claim that he is now going to “move towards the center.” This belief is based on his past behavior. He made many claims prior to winning the Presidency, many of which sounded centrist. But there was always that troubling aspect of what his actions had been in the past. But no matter, right? After all words and a pretty speech are all that was needed.
Once in office he launched the most audacious power grab in the history of the United States. He took over banks, the car industry, and the health care system. He ran up the deficit in an unprecedented manner. Under his leadership, the FFC launched multiple attacks against the 1st Amendment.
With all of his past ACTIONS, I am not willing to now deem him something he is not after a good speech. He was and still is an ultra left-wing President.
And by the way, I could not disagree more, Erick
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 6:21PM EDT (link)The President did fine, as one would expect someone who had three days to work on a speech would.
The organizers and crowd turned the memorial service into an unseemly spectacle. The Student Disciples of Obama thought it was a 2008 campaign rally. 14,000 people? All intimately connected with the families of the dead and wounded, who needed T-shirts and cheering to grieve? All that was missing were the vuvuzelas.
The venue and crowd made me sick.
Equivilence
dws1151 Thursday, January 13th at 7:33PM EDT (link)Interesting commentary. Might I suggest the following equivilence to your last few paragraphs?
Out there, somewhere is someone who would LOVE to kill President Obama. God forbid they do it. (after all, then we would be stuck with Joe Biden or, Heaven help us, Mr. BlubberPants himself, the crybaby Bohner!) But you and I both know there is some crazy FoxNews watcher and RedState.com reader who even now is dreaming of doing so.
And should they try, we can be equally sure of something else. The right will be divided into two camps: (1) The tyrant deserved it, and (2) It’s not my fault.
Phrased this way, can you understand why all right-thinking Americans cringe at your uber-partisan hate-filled rhetoric?
You are incorrect due to you ignorance of the Right.
Tbone (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 7:48PM EDT (link)You assume the members of the Right are like the members of the Left. This is in error. By example, the vast majority of the Right condemns the killing innocent babies by butcher abortionists. The Left endorses it. It is the Left that lacks any core moral values. So much so, that you can’t accept that others actually have them.
Your statement should read: “The right will be divided into two camps: (1) The tyrant was murdered and the killer should be punished by death, and (2) The tyrant was murdered and the killer should be punished by life imprisonment.”
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
5 They are so blind they can not see.
gekster (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 7:51PM EDT (link)They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
Uh, no
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:03PM EDT (link)and you forgot group 3 (i.e., all conservatives), which would be calling for the shooter to be fed to Michael Vick’s dogs.
What relevance would the favorite news station of the shooter have? Might as well mention favorite brand of lip gloss, while we’re at it.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Ah. One of *those* threads.
Moe Lane (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:05PM EDT (link)Start at the bottom, and work my way up, apparently.
Anyway, yes, it’s a real shame that the President repudiated you last night, dws1151. Now shoo.
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HUH?
saysaysomething Thursday, January 13th at 7:34PM EDT (link)“Out there somewhere is someone who would love to kill Governor Palin. God forbid they do it. But you and I both know there is some crazy MSNBC watcher and Media Matters reader who even now is dreaming of doing so.”
But how can that be? Per Palin, you (Erickson), Beck, O’Reilly, etc. it is impossible for media (be it Fox News OR MSNBC) to inspire anyone to kill. So this is obviously impossible.
BTW, when was the last time Rachel Maddow told anyone to avow themselves of “2nd Amendment solutions” or that conservatism is a cancer that must be eliminated by all means necessary?
I was going to respond....
gekster (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 7:40PM EDT (link)But somehow I din’t think you’ld get what I would say.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
Do us a few favors prior to posting again
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 7:55PM EDT (link)First, pull your head from your rear so that you do not have so much rectal pressure squeezing what little common sense and intelligence you have right out of your cranium. This may allow you to make reasonable comments worthy of response.
Second, wipe the noxious sludge coating your head off. This may allow you to breath a deep breath of clean air which would give you that split second to reconsider what you have typed. Problem is right now, that crappy air you are smelling is not allowing you to actually think about what you type. And once you hit send/enter/submit it is a matter of public record which will haunt you everywhere.
Third, come back after you have completed number one and number two, mumble something about your situation caused your ignorance, then resubmit a well thought out post filled with less nonsense and we will start all over with you and not hold the above post against you.
Or just continue to keep your head firmly planted in your ass and we will continue to show you that stupidity reigns in your life.
It is very possible to inspire someone to kill.
bjwilson83 (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:01PM EDT (link)It’s just not something Palin has ever done. Now, “if they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun” sounds like something the leader of a gang might say the night before a confrontation with a rival gang.
Eh...
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:07PM EDT (link)At the end of the day, the guy holding the gun isn’t Sarah Palin, Chris Matthews, or Keith Olbermann: it’s the guy actually holding a gun. “Incitement”, unless it is specific and direct, is not actionable in any way, and should not be used as a means of blame-shifting.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
I was tempted to point, laugh, and shout 'Racist!...'
Moe Lane (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:02PM EDT (link)…but I suspect that this winner wouldn’t have gotten the joke.
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The existence of a crazy MSNBC viewer
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:05PM EDT (link)does not mean that MSNBC had anything to do with his mental state or use of violence.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
MSNBC viewers do not need to be inspired to kill
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:25PM EDT (link)According to their tweets, they seem to be quite self-inspired. No need to cast blame, no sir, because Olbermann et al are preaching to the choir.
Wow, there seems to be an unmistakable aroma
sharonmcp (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 7:58PM EDT (link)of lefties in these comments.
Either that or my septic tank’s backing up.
“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan
It always happens when they lose the argument
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:22PM EDT (link)Then the derangement sets in, which sustains them until the next moment of manufactured outraged based on nothing but their hatred of themselves.
Agreed to a point...
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:15PM EDT (link)Given the hypothetical of a Palin assassination, I don’t really think that there’s a problem with a leftist defending himself from the attacks that will inevitably result blaming the broad left for Palin’s death. Movements cannot (and should not) be held responsible for the actions of a bad actor: that sets a bad precedent that diminishes us as human beings, and that makes us more incapable of viewing people outside of a collective (which plays into the hands of statists).
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Unless
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:23PM EDT (link)Movements are comprised of bad actors.
For the most part
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:45PM EDT (link)I do not believe that Democratic leadership is certainly manipulative and craven, as are portions of the progressive chattering classes, but for the most part, I find the rank-and-file to be merely naive, inexperienced, partisan, or insulated from real-world forces — not bad faith actors. The vast majority of leftists certainly don’t want people to die as a result of their ideology: witness the shock, confusion and embarrassment of lefties whenever a government decides to take their ideologies to their logical ends.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Screwed up the reply
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 13th at 8:47PM EDT (link)Should be “I do not believe that most Dems/progs are insincere in their intentions. Democratic leadership…”
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Would Charles Krauthammer like to see Sarah incapacitated.
joehnewyork Friday, January 14th at 9:38AM EDT (link)Is Charles Krauthammer a liberal in sheeps clothing. Check out his meeting with Obama below. I wonder if this is like a CBO( Doug Elmendorf) meeting moment below. Afterwards Elmendorf started making up better numbers. I remembered reading it somewhere before. googled and found guess who’s report on it below. Please pass around . More liberals are quoting Krauthammer now. I used to think he was a conservative. I wonder if Charlie is going to get the head job at NPR job or maybe setup up like Andy Stern was at SIGA to make millions from HHS.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/13/obamas-dinner-with-conser_n_157701.html
Barack Obama took the next big step in his Republican charm offensive on Tuesday night, when he dined with several of the nation’s most prominent conservative pundits.
The president-elect arrived at the Chevy Chase, Md., home of syndicated columnist George Will shortly after 6:30 p.m., according to a press pool report. Greeting him at the residence were other luminaries of the conservative commentariat, including the Weekly Standard’s William Kristol, New York Times columnist David Brooks, and Charles Krauthammer of the Washington Post
OK, but who were the conservatives at the dinner? nt
Tbone (Diary) Friday, January 14th at 10:12AM EDT (link)Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
OK, but who were the conservatives at the dinner? nt
Tbone (Diary) Friday, January 14th at 10:13AM EDT (link)Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.