Palin 2012 — The Erick Erickson Show

cvtheis

There is a lot wrong with her as a potential candidate. Why must everyone agree with her 100%, or refrain from any criticism of her, lest they be labelled a Palin Hater? I think she gets a raw deal from the MSM, they are cruel, and unfair – that does not mean conservatives cannot legitimately criticize her.

beltaine51

John Hinderaker declares, No. I’m sure she’ll listen…

renny

Palin is the one they are most afraid to run against, for whatever reasons. I do not know that she is ready, wish she had a full term as gov. in her background, but she seems much more fully formed that little o was in 2008 when his entire life history was/still is off limits and his rhetoric was all gooey and full of hope and change.
Palin won’t lie to us, isn’t a commie, isn’t a compassionate cons., has a good record in backing candidates and making good choices, is a powerful speaker, is liked by the tea parties, but will be crucified be the MSM, because that is all they do to her now every day.
We wouldn’t even hear as much about Palin as we do except the MSM can’t stop from slandering her 24/7,

JSobieski

A couple of thoughts:

(1) Probably shouldn’t consider what the left wants, hates, or fears since there is no reason to think they make better future forecasters than anyone else

(2) Is the left getting smarter? Doubtful

(3) If the left was big time wrong about Reagan, are they also big time wrong about Palin?

(4) The Palin debate is as substance free as they come–both pro and con. Everyone mentions her record in backing candidates, but what about her record as governor? Did she raise taxes? What about spending?

Kudzu

The left has Palin Derangement Syndrome. Many Palinistas have Palin Enragement Syndrome… any time they perceive even the slightest negative statement about her they go into a liberal like prog attack.

They alone will be a reason why many don’t vote for her. I love her view on almost every issue and if she’s the nominee then so be it and I’ll gladly vote for her.

But I don’t think she’ll be running. She’s going to be a stalking horse and just sit in the shadows and keep the left pointing at her and blasting her. All the while the GOP nominee sneaks up and she endorses him/her after South Carolina

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

I’m a little confused about whether discussing Palin’s viability is permitted on redstate, since moderators have told me I cannot respond to those bashing her, but since Erick is leading with this on his radio program and redstate, and invited comment, I’m assuming it’s ok.

Palin will be viable because she was the only one who had the courage to speak about against Obama, the Dems, and even liberals in the GOP when nobody else would. Oh sure, Huckabee was content to offer some mild suggestions on his TV show, through Romney just decided to duck his head altogether. While these guys were sitting around strategizing how to get elected in 2012, Palin was willing to quit her job as governor to go after the Dems in the media, even knowing it could hurt her political future.

There are two kinds of politicians; those who want to get elected in order to further their agenda, and those who are willing to tweak or compromise their agenda in order to get elected. If Palin runs, it will be because of the former, not the latter. As the country continues to go downhill under Obama, people will see that she is the only one who has openly opposed him from the beginning. Voters will know that she is sincere.

As far as her rating, her negatives aren’t any worse than Obama’s. They mean little this far out, and she will do just fine once she starts campaigning.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

those who support her are labeled hero worshippers or cultist. It goes both ways.

newagegop

And the smart ones know it. I know I’m defensive about Sarah because I relate to her in a very personal way. I know she’s a politician, but she doesn’t have that politician refinement or slime as I call it. She comes off like a family member that I would trust, not the ones that just ask for money and embarrass the family. So when she’s attacked…well I expect a slanderous lie rather than an honest criticism.
When the criticism of Sarah is from “family” (Eric), and that criticism occurs in the “enemies” house (CNN)…well lets just say that criticism better be perfectly worded or someone might get defensive. Especially since the jealous cousins (Newt, Huck, Romney, ect.) are basically hiding behind Sarah’s skirt and whining about how she takes the slings and arrows.
To me she’s running till she’s not. I don’t think she will run, but she earned the right to do whatever she wants. She’s the one who has endured. She endured the MSM, the democrats, the Soros web, and her own party. She’s still standing. And that’s one of the reasons she’s loved and not just liked by so many.
Sorry we’re defensive. I’ll continue to try being reasonable about Sarah, but have a little sympathy. Our country has made people like Sarah and people like me…this way.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

I don’t know why she wouldn’t run, unless she just gets tired of the attacks. But she made pretty clear that she wouldn’t back down on Hannity’s show. She’s the yin to Obama’s yang – I think anybody else will have trouble generating enough enthusiasm to topple him.

http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

It happens to be my house. I work there.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

Palin supporters are cultists! From Erick Erickson!

EcH90

I can finally start catching up on this.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

The leftist media electability argument from CNN has definitely gotten to Erick, whether he realizes it or not.

rightwingnut2

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http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

rightwingnut2

…have a panel of conservatives and libs, the conservatives defend the conservative policy or individual being discussed. That’s how the libs on Fox typically play the game.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

Consider me a Palin nut!

rightwingnut2

…YOU WON!

The left now has license to destroy anyone who gets in their way. And they will.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

So now I’m a cultist coming out of the woodwork, just because I kind of excited about the first GOP candidate in 20 years to fearlessly and consistently emulate Reagan’s conservative values. Well Erick, if I’m a cultist, you’re a sellout.

aesthete

I predict that this picture will be the most uplifting part of what will inevitably be another Palin thread where Erick’s conservative creds are challenged, and where armchair psychologists will use his lack of support as “proof” of his latent sexism/establishmentarianism (I made that word up!)/Hitlerism, to say nothing of what will be said of the regular commentators here.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

Ok, appreciate the clarification. Still, I refuse to accept that the media has won and just go “suck on an egg”. NO! We can and will beat them. That’s the problem with Romney. He’s just hiding from the media right now, while Palin is unafraid to take them on. I do not care to support anyone who doesn’t have the balls to take on the left wing media. If they can’t even handle the media, how will they handle the pressures of being the leader of the free world?

azaeroprof

In the times I’ve managed to stomach CNN long enough to watch you, you’ve done an admirable job. But don’t kid yourself, it is “their” house. They’re just letting you visit because they think you’ll bring conservative viewers to their camp. We don’t want to see you end up like ol’ Mornin’ Joe, who apparently convinced himself that PMSNBC was “his” house.

powertothepeople

newagegop

But Eric you’re living in the crazy house down the street. You and Anderson Cooper seem to be the only watchable folks on that channel. Maybe Wolf…sometimes. Other than that its…well…difficult to watch.

You have been put in the unfortunate position of being the only voice for our side. Not the republican side, but the conservative side. Maybe an even rarer bird the honest principled conservative side.

Think of it this way…we view ourselves as the Rebel Alliance and on that channel you’re our Obi Wan. Well you just said Princess Leia’s hair looks stupid in front of the stormtroopers. Even if its true you’ve pissed off Solo and the rest of the pilots.

rightwingnut2

…campaigned against a Reagan nomination in 1980 too. Reagan trailed Carter by 25 points 8 months prior to the election. According to the smart people, he was doomed.

Eric,

In all seriousness, I appreciate that you would vote for Palin over any of the other potential candidates (except Pence, but we all know he’s running for Gov.). However, I think it’s important to address the risk we take if we go down this road at this point. It kind of reminds me of the O’Donnell debacle. Before she hit the stage for her victory speech, Karl Rove spent 15 minutes trashing her on Fox. The next day, countless other members of the GOP ruling class piled on as well. Whatever chance she had of winning the general were gone at that point. I think we would be better served by focusing on the potential candidates who we would NOT want as the standard bearer in 2012. For example, I get the impression that you’re not a fan of Mitt Romney. Since the the so-called “frontrunner,” why not spend some time discussing your feelings about him?

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

We’re just not cowards. To say that Palin shouldn’t even run? At least give her the benefit of the doubt and let her run in the primary. If she’s not the right choice, she won’t win. As you just pointed out, she had two years to campaign. Everybody said Reagan wasn’t electable either. Just give me a candidate who won’t compromise on conservative principle, and let the voters decide.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

Erick Erickson: Yes, the media have won. Please.

chihank

Erickson has defended Palin many countless times at CNN. I think Palinistas ought to give Erick some slack. Erick does not like the other retreads like Romney, Huckabee, Newt or Santorum. I think the best compromise would be to support someone new like Pence or Cain.

rightwingnut2

…he doesn’t like some of the others including Romney. Well, lets hear some critcism of Romney. He IS the so-called “frontrunner” isn’t he? That’s what the MSM keeps telling us….

speciallist

female?

I’m curious

JSobieski

Is raising taxes a “compromise” on conservative principle? Because Palin did raise taxes as governor. I know that what people say is far more important to what they do, but Palin was a tax raiser.

Get out of your template, and actually enter into an exchange of ideas.

powertothepeople

food out laughing, keep ‘em coming!

PS The adadictomy and lopadicofmy is still the better of the two comments.

Berean

Any conservative smeared in any way whatsoever (including the “electability” meme) should be defended consistently and fiercely by all conservatives. Failure to do so shows we can learn a good lesson from animals – they at least defend their own.

JSobieski

Bringing up Romney as the alternative is a weak argument.

If it comes down to Palin v. Romney, RSers will back Palin overwhelmingly an and you will have to welcome back all of the sexists, cowards, RINOs, etc.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

I wasn’t saying anyone preferred him. I’m saying that Palin doesn’t shirk from the media.

speciallist

it’s rare you see a really passionate female Palin fan

lineholder

BJ made the statement to Neil in an earlier post that he was a “big boy”.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

powertothepeople

“criticized” others retreads like Romney. But that was not the topic at hand tonight, so why bring it up. Or is there some fairness doctrine none of us but you are aware of where if you mention Palin in any negative way, you have to bring up every other potential candidate and say something bad about them as well?

rightwingnut2

…if it’s determined by most of the primary electorate that she’s not electable after all of the campaigning, debates, etc., then she probably won’t win the nomination anyway. I don’t understand the logic of damaging a potential nominee before we even know they’re even running! It makes no sense…..unless it’s a candidate you don’t like…Romney for example.

rightwingnut2

I read this site several times a day. It’s been quite some time since Erick has criticized Romney….unless I missed it.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

There was a poll out today that showed Palin had more support among women than men in the primary (nationwide), which was kind of surprising. However, the poll also included 40-50% independents, which someone noted was probably way to high. I think she has a lot of support among independent women.

JSobieski

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/gov-sarah-palins-record-on-taxes-and-spending/

Let me reiterate that I may end up voting for her. However, the idea that she won’t “compromise on conservative pinciple” is not reflected in her actual record on fiscal matters.

I know I know, the liberals really hate her.

I know I know, the Republican establish is filled with a bunch of d-bags.

I know I know, Palin is conservative for and of the people

Palin raised taxes as part of wealth redistribution.

“One of her signature accomplishments as governor was a $1.5 billion tax increase on oil production, infuriating oil companies, according to The New York Times. She accused oil companies of bribing legislators to keep taxes low and, soon after, passed a $1,200 ?energy rebate? to each Alaskan from the state?s budget surplus.”

I know I know, the liberals really hate her.

I know I know, the Republican establish is filled with a bunch of d-bags.

I know I know, Palin is conservative for and of the people

Is raising taxes on productive companies for the purpose of giving cash away to each individual citizen of Alaska conservative?

The Alaskan oil checks are one step above welfare. Is that conservative?

I know I know, the liberals really hate her.

I know I know, the Republican establish is filled with a bunch of d-bags.

I know I know, Palin is conservative for and of the people

Bill S

is quite a bit different than considering the political realities of whether the person being criticized has a prayer of being elected. Many here on RS defended Palin following the Tucson murders, both on the FP and in the diaries. There is not a single contributor, including Erickson, who did NOT speak out in some way in defense of Palin and the stupidity that occurred after that event.

But that is quite different from asserting that the media and others have polluted the atmosphere irreversibly. If Palin were to somehow win the primaries, which is conceivable, she would receive the unquestioning support of 99.999% of the GOP/conservative side. The independents, which are the key to winning the general election are another story altogether. And we can whine and moan about how we can’t kow-tow to the independents, but reality is reality. Without the independents, the GOP would not have swept the 2010 midterms.

This is about political reality, not philosophical purity.

David123

No way!

David123

No way!

speciallist

it’s good to see females that support her

and when you don’t answer my question, it makes me think I’m right

JSobieski

You think this, you think that.

You still know virtually nothing about the financial data of Alaska when she was governor. Yet you insult people and accuse them of being cowards.

I “think” you should educate youself a bit on Palin’s record of achievement (she does have achievements to brag about).

You would be a far more effective advocate that way.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

It explicitly states that the people of Alaska own its resources. The oil companies had been skirting this inconvenient fact.

rightwingnut2

I’ll just have to assume Erick believes Palin to be the favorite for the nomination at this point.

The media would like us to believe Romney or Huckabee are the frontrunners. If Erick felt the same way, I trust that he would be going after both of these frauds with both barrels.

Good night…

JSobieski

nt

powertothepeople

when we say it.

Winning the republican nomination is tough, but for the winner it is the easiest part of the process. During republican nominations, most of the voters tend to be republican. Most will support whoever wins, so the process is simply a race to see who we like the most.

Once this is over, the winner has to face the winner of the other side. This is called the general. In the general, you have to take so many electoral votes in order to be called the winner. Taking all the republican votes is not enough to win the general just as the democrat needs more than just all the democratic vote to win. The winner MUST take a majority of independent votes or they lose, period.

Independents are a funny bunch. They will despise a president, yet if they do not like the other sides offering, they will simply vote for the current president and take all his power away in congress. This makes them feel as if they have handicapped the one they do not like, but they did not have to vote for the other one. This is what happened with GWB. Independents were not willing to vote for John Kerry but they wanted Bush to have little power. So they simply voted dems across the board in Congress, yet stuck with GWB.

Palin has a problem, hence the word unelectable, with independent votes. As of today, she would not take enough to even get close to a majority, so she would lose. Many of us have been saying it for a year or more now, she has to get the independent vote and get them to like her. So far she has done little to do this. So she is no closer to having enough independent votes today to beat Obama then she did back then. And unless this changes, she can not beat Obama. So winning the republican nomination is not enough nor is it proof she can beat Obama. Obama may be disliked, but that is not enough to say anyone who runs against him can beat him. He still has to be beat and Palin could not do that unless things change and change fast. And only she can change it all, not us.

She is unelectable as things stand now. But what is so funny about all this is she is most likely not going to run. In fact I am so sure she is not going to run, I am willing to put up $500 to her campaign if she proves me wrong. Who in here who loves her will do the same for the candidate of my choice should she not run?

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2011/01/gop-war-horses-lead-the-2012-parade-1.html

JSobieski

to each US citizen, would you consider that conservative?

Or would you accuse him of trying to buy votes?

Just curious.

JSobieski

“Each governor shall raise taxes on productive energy companies”?

I must have missed that part!

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

What YOU ignore is that there is nothing in the AK constitution that mandates that every nickle be spent.

JSobieski

You know the old saying, from each according to their ability to each according to their need? I don’t believe that was a Ronald Reagan quote.

The Oil Industry, like all productive enterprises, was hit with increased taxes. I love it when conservatives dont’t compromise.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Palin has done absolutely nothing to clean it up. Every time she’s been “attacked”, rather than take on the “attackers” head on, she posts a one liner on Facebook.

When Reagan was attacked, he took his attackers on, and on the issues. Palin doesn’t do that. Or can’t.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

If you run a good campaign, you can win. How can you claim to know how independents will vote two years from now? Most likely, they will be siding with Palin after two more years of Obama.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Christine O’Donnell and Ms. Angle said too.

You really don’t have a clue how the process works do you.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

is because they believe the media has won. I don’t see how you can tell us that we have to bow to who the media tells us is electable and then turn around and criticize the GOP congress for heeding their advice. Simple logic.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

Angle could have won if she had run a good campaign. O’Donnell could have won if she had run a good campaign and the GOP establishment hadn’t turned on her. Lesson learned: don’t abandon your candidate.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

pipeline company on the vaporware pipeline.

speciallist

that she get the last word in

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

There is a word for that comment and NewSiteRules prevent me from using it. Suffice it to say blaming others for the complete and total failure of the candidate to even try to rally the troops is not a real bright thing to do.

We’ve beaten this subject to death, but the candidates were pathetic. The problem was not the GOP establishment.

Like I said, you really don’t have a clue how the process works.
And, if you “were involved”, you didn’t learn anything useful.

JSobieski

Are others not allowed to just “think” things?

I agree that most polls are pretty useless at this point. The only polls I would follow are favorability/unfavorability by independents. Find some of those that are positive (instead of just thinking about them) and put them up in a diary. Show how Palin cut spending, and educate us on that.

I want to be more positive about Palin, but if all you can come up with is that the Media and GOP establishment hate her, that isn’t really enough for me. Calling EE a coward isn’t exactly going to persuade anyone either.

I actually care about spending, taxes, and all that other stuff. I strongly suggest that you focus your efforts on such substance, but you have ignored this suggestion repeatedly so far.

JSobieski

I don’t see any reference to independent women.

Palin’s ability to win the nomination is not really in question. I don’t doubt Palin can win conservative women and Republican women.

Independent women would be far more revealing.

JadedByPolitics

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http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

She runs.

lineholder

that contributed to Erick making these comments.

If that is true, then things aren’t exactly what they seem to be at the moment and we won’t know what the truth actually is until the situation unfolds more than it has.

I’d rather wait a bit and see how things unfold.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Worst mistake she ever made was to play by their rules, and let herself get set up in That Interview.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

if she wants to be POTUS she’s going to have to deal with the media. Up to now she hasn’t. Personally, I think they’ll carve her like a Christmas turkey and she knows it.

keven

Palin has done more then a dozen interviews since Couric with none friendly media including Walters and Robin Roberts in the last two months alone. Can you tell me how many Mitch Daniels or Mitt Romney has done the last two years?

JSobieski

I just wish someone would make it. A strong evidence-based case refering to her previous positions in office. I know that the CATO assessment on Palin was one of cautious optimism.

It would be nice to see something besides a bald assertion of conservatism or something based on how the left/media hates her.

But alas, I suspect tonight won’t be that night.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

If the U.S. Constitution said that I owned the oil under my house, and an oil company was sucking it out from under me, yes I would want a check in the mail.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/01/42-5-and-58-of-the-samples-for-the-washington-post-and-nbc-news-gop-primary-polls-are-comprised-of-independents-respectively.html

I just thought that her support would be higher among GOP men since there are some Republican women who think she should stay at home and raise her kids instead of running for president. The large number of independents in the poll is one possible explanation.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

Or were you referring to back room deals?

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

I don’t think there’s anything about her that hasn’t been uncovered. Just give me a day or two, and I will compile all of it.

JSobieski

If the oil companies are just leaches, why not tax 100%?

If increasing taxes by X makes things fair, why not increase them by 2X and make them twice as fair? How about 4X for 4 times as fair?

What she did may have been justified, but it wasn’t conservative. I haven’t heard any reasonable explanation as to how prior to Palin, Alaskans were getting ripped off.

If you don’t think pumping up the checks you send out to voters is a nice way to get the old popularity rating up (some would say that is buying votes, not analogous to buying votes), the you should love Obama.

JSobieski

Does you version of conservatism mean that government changes the deal on “big corporations” in order to spread the wealth to the little guy?

At least admit that the Alaskan constitution isn’t very conservative.

JSobieski

Palin has been heavily scrutinized in the stupid ways that people are scrutinized. In terms of the substance, not so much.

aesthete

Yes, there were good things in her record, but the bad far outweighs the good: all three of her major initiatives were bad calls and are dead or dying, and while she cut some (especially on earmarks), her tenure resulted in a huge increase in government spending. Her minor projects were mostly boondoggles or underwhelming. Palin had no ability to work with the AKGOP, and instead worked with the Dems to get her legislation passed. That mediocre record is difficult to defend (though Palin supporters are welcome to take a crack at the pi?ata).

Palin is a conservative (I would even say a libertarian one, judging from public statements), but she was thoroughly unable to translate her beliefs into governance. IMO, this is because she does not have the skillset and attributes to govern effectively: she has shown herself to be thin-skinned, a prima donna, and has something of a vindicative streak (all traits shared with the current occupant of the WH). These attributes allowed her to take on the corrupt AKGOP, but they also made it difficult for her to kiss and make up with persons and groups that she needed in order to govern and manage conservatively. Her inability to take criticism well also appears to have made it difficult for her to find quality individuals to run the Executive branch’s dealings: like Obama, she mostly recruited from her hometown and acquaintances whom she personally liked. This is fine for what she’s doing now, but not for a job like the Presidency. That’s fine; I’m not Presidential material, either (much to the dismay of all those “aesthete for President” diehards out there, I’m sure). I think and hope that Palin realizes that she isn’t Executive material, and that she throws her support behind a conservative candidate who hopefully has executive experience.

http://www.sheetanchor.org Sheet Anchor

Red State, and Powerline, that the Republican party is either going to implode over Governor Palin or nominate her. It seems based upon the relentless attacks, that Democrats fear her, and apparently so do many Republicans. This effort to convince Republicans not to vote for her is incredible. She will either run and win, or run and lose the Republican nomination.

A recent poll shows her 10% down from Obama. This is a relatively small number at this point in time, especially when 98% of Democrats have already stated they will support Obama, but only 83% of Republicans stated they would support Palin. This means that she can easily close the gap. So why are so many Republicans so fearful of her being the nominee at this point in time?

I wonder what would happen if Republican commentators and pundits started defending her instead of remaining so silent most of the time. I have been an independent for over 20 years. It just seems that the Republicans are always on the defensive. The Democrats are always on the offensive. Why don’t Republicans get on the offensive like the Tea Party? Do Republicans not know how to attack? Are they scared to attack? Are they too nice to attack?

At least Governor Palin stands up and attacks Obama and the Democratic agenda on a consistent basis. I am not sure Republicans have any chance if they take Palin out of the game. The Tea Party may just sit home, and that would guarantee Obama’s re-election. It seems that Republicans better be very careful about attacking Governor Palin, and should just let the primary process unfold, and the chips fall where they may.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

She didn’t play nice with the corrupt GOP establishment in Alaska. That to me is one of the best reasons to support her.

aesthete

liked them or not, not all of the AKGOP were corrupt (and those that were should have been indicted). Most were and continue to be jackwagons and bungholes, but such is the nature of politics. If Palin was unwilling or unable to work with the AKGOP, and was willing to work with the Dems (who were just as corrupt), then there was a problem in her political m leadership: one which may present itself should she become President. The Presidency is no place to have a leader who can’t control or work with her own party due to personal issues.

Scope

it’s a he. He keeps talking about Palin’s “balls” and it seems that he donated his to Palin.

ruexperienced

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ruexperienced

Dislike does not equal fear

Scope

that line of thinking is that if Palin runs, but can’t garner the majority of support, she will only take votes away from another candidate that is conservative, and that may be able to win if the votes weren’t split. In that case we get another squish like McCain, only this time it will be Romney or Huckabee, or any of the other retreads.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

And I’m not educating you, it’s not worth the bother and I seriously doubt you’re up to it anyway.

http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

Give it a rest! Gee wiz, we all like Sarah here, stop trying to flog her candidacy every waking second, heck she hasn’t even declared yet.

http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

Give it a rest! Gee wiz, we all like Sarah here, stop trying to flog her candidacy every waking second, heck she hasn’t even declared yet.

ruexperienced

to make themselves electable. We cannot do that for them. Palin has done the opposite.

Scope

that BJ talk substance? He either can’t, won’t, lacks the knowledge, or is afraid that if the real substance does come up or out, his gal will start not looking so good. The worst of her supporters have a list of Palin attributes-

Has balls.
Makes the lefties heads explode.
Has been around for 2 years.
Is still standing after all the attacks.
Has more than enough experience.

and variations on all the above.

You can’t get blood out of a stone.

ruexperienced

Palin has all the makings of a great leader but has turned out to be a big disappointment.

Her temperament is what kills her.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

That’s a straw man of the first order bj.

In point of fact if you want to get anything done you have to play with team you’ve got. She had a solid Republican majority in AK and refused to work with them.

The heart of the argument is that she is a pathetic administrator, just about the same level of competency as your ability to make an argument.

ruexperienced

and her popularity has plummeted.

The more we know, the more we don’t like.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Scope

They are worse.

After seeing what happened with the Palinistas on the Pence diaries, expect to see the same thing happen with every diary about any candidate that runs. The Palinistas will all run out and declare that candidate not “electable” just as they did with Pence. There really are only a handful that turn every diary into a war zone. I agree with Aaron, the direction that RS is taking with the “new tone” is not proving to be less combatitive, it is proving to be more so.

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

The tea party wasn’t enough here, and independents ran from him at the end. I don’t see why it wouldn’t even be more so with Palin.

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

Write a diary about where Palin needs to improve, what personal obstacles she needs to overcome, and the areas of her record that she’ll need to convince voters she’s going to do differently. Don’t write anything about her positives, we’ve heard that from you ad nauseum. Unless you can evaluate your candidate from an objective point of view, meaning good and bad, you’ll always just be considered a True Believer&#153 and we’ll think you’re at least a little bit cultish.

aesthete

Also, some variation on “she’s a woman!!!!”

azgirl

as the media portray her to be, then why does the left hate her so much? Why do they keep talking about her? People don’t spend their time destroying someone who is not a threat to them. And we all know that Palin scares the hell out of them, and that is why so many conservatives love her. She doesn’t back down, or shut up.

Erik, you cannot expect conservatives to support a candidate the media ‘likes’ (ie: Huckabee, Romney etc.) because we all know that the MSM hates Republicans. Period. The MSM will only support someone who will they know will lose to Obama. McCain anyone?

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47931.html

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

they can’t understand how she could possibly bring a Down’s Syndrome child to term. They are ashamed of their own barbaric selves which her visage makes them see so clearly.

Yes, they hate and fear her.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

is that one has to treat all opinions as equally valid, even the extreme ridiculousness of the Left, ie mainstream media and mainstream Dem Party positions and one has to make sure one can get the idiot guests to come back on. So one has to pull punches that ought to and need to be delivered if one wants to get guests to come back on and if one wants to get invited back to panels.

I have even faced confrontations over strong language in MSM newspaper columns with editors that let the liberals have free extreme reign and I certainly have offended liberal radio and TV hosts that never invited me back because I refused to suffer liberal fools’ ideas with equal respect.

Feels right. I prefer to be known by my enemies. But am glad that I have had a regular conservative voice in the MSM dead tree version.

I can’t tell you how sad I have been in the past when I have seen Pat Buchanan gulp at the crap he has had to endure at CNN (and yes, he has some extreme views as well, but) and esp MSNBC.

I think Erick is doing a great job on his radio show and on CNN, but I don’t think I could call Eliot Spencer a housemate unless he actually married a cousin.

I am more inclined to Romans 8:14-17 and the ‘Bama Guv’!

smile

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

gratuitous insult against Palin. It is especially sweet for me since I support several others before her but did discover her great wisdom and competence before McCain did and know if she were in the Oval Office today she would do a great job from a conservative standpoint and make America proud…at least those that share our values and, like Southerners (half of whom voted for JFK, who couldn’t pronounce Alabam-er) aren’t burdened by latent prejudice based on speech patterns or Ivy League worship.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

before the financial crisis hit. She is conservative right on all the issues and explains and defends those positions with the kind o plain talk that voters appreciate. She showed real courage against the powers that be in Alaska in both parties on her may to the top of that state. That is the skinny case for why she would be a good candidate and President.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

and two years of media attacks. She’ll be ready for what the media throws at her. Buck narrowly lost after making one or two gaffes.

http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

When the establishment goes around calling themselves the “Corrupt Bastards Club” with impunity, then yes, the establishment is corrupt. Crony capitalism is not my cup of tea.

Scope

I wouldn’t exactly call Jsob the anti-palinista. He’s been equally harsh on Mike Pence. He has his set of criteria in which to choose his preferred candidate, and his bar really is high. I’m not sure if his ideal candidate exists, but, I’m confident that he will get behind the winner of the nomination. At least he has brought up questions asking for substantiation from those that are banging the drum. No problem with that right? The only problem that I see is that he is expecting, if not trying to force, some to answer questions that they are either unwilling or unable to provide. As I said above, you can’t get blood out of a stone no matter how hard you try. Not a knock on Jsob, LOL, I just wish he knew that sometimes it’s better to walk away.

Spiral

Palin has a bad habit of bringing herself down to the level of people like David Letterman and other crtics. That’s not the way a presidential candidate is supposed to conduct oneself.

Palin has spent little time discussing the issues and a lot of time responding to personal attacks. I don’t like the trajectory of her “campaign” if that’s what it is.

Also, I don’t think quitting governor of Alaska looks good on a resume when applying for a job as president of the United States. If she wanted to quit being governor of Alaska, fine. But she should have resolved that day to never run for public office ever again. A public official can not just quit a job because there is too much criticism being leveled. I hope Palin does not run for president. Instead, she should just continue being a leader of the base of the party, as a citizen, not an office holder.

Spiral

Palin has a bad habit of bringing herself down to the level of people like David Letterman and other crtics. That’s not the way a presidential candidate is supposed to conduct oneself.

Palin has spent little time discussing the issues and a lot of time responding to personal attacks. I don’t like the trajectory of her “campaign” if that’s what it is.

Also, I don’t think quitting governor of Alaska looks good on a resume when applying for a job as president of the United States. If she wanted to quit being governor of Alaska, fine. But she should have resolved that day to never run for public office ever again. A public official can not just quit a job because there is too much criticism being leveled. I hope Palin does not run for president. Instead, she should just continue being a leader of the base of the party, as a citizen, not an office holder.

Scope

She has a mixed record of accomplishment, have at it-

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/sarah-palins-accomplishments/

This is probably more info on Palin than I’ve seen anywhere. Make up your own mind.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

the small sample that post here at Redstate and especially how they pick out the most extreme and pain all supporters with that brush as if Redstate were a representative sample.

Its not, hence my disdain for the -ista nickname.

Sarah Palin is not in my top 5 choices, but she is qualified to be President; has a great career (except for quiting the gov’s office); is as smart as anyone here; and doesn’t deserve to be treated like she is by the Left much less our own.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Scope

There are many many here who are neutral about Palin. There are many, including yourself who have defended her against the terrible treatment she has received from the media. There are not many that I know of who have come right out and said she is unelectable. To say that you have doubts about her ability to climb the hurdles she has, is not saying that she is unelectible. There are not many that have claimed she is just a dumb ditz. The problem has been with those that have more or less called others dumb if they haven’t jumped on her bandwagon, over and over again. There are some others that just can’t let those comments alone and walk away from them. They have to keep insisting that they explain themselves, and to comment on things the others don’t want to, or can’t. Between those two factions, the numbers are small.

Yes, I am sorry I ever involved myself with some commentors but, when one is minding their own business, making comments in favor of Pence, not even thinking about Palin, and then to get a reply to a Pence comment “you are just in love with your guy Pence, and you have joined the MSM in bashing Palin” I allowed myself to fall to the frustration of being attacked, and called delusional, because I posted in favor of another candidate, and foolishly fought back. I made it very clear a few days ago that I will not again fall pray to the goading, and I won’t. I’ve imposed my own self moratorium on any Palin talk or comments for or against. In this case, I am answering your question.

You know yourself that for more than 2 years whenever the name Palin came up, the wars would begin. People were banned, diaries were closed to comments. Funny thing is, I was always on the Palin defense side, and still to this day believe that some of her most harsh critics were less than fair. To this day I defend Palin as an asset to the conservatives, and she did great work during the 2010 mid-terms. She has driven the left crazy. She draws a crowd, and she is a great fundraiser, however, I don’t have to be on the bandwagon of promoting her as the only presidential candidate that should be considered, which I believe is exactly where you are. I have posted my questions/fears of a Palin presidency, I don’t have to repeat them over and over. Does that explain my position GC? I sure hope so because I would be very happy to get back to my self imposed moratorium.

RS

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