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Flattered by the Attacks

Shortly after Keith Olbermann announced he was leaving MSNBC, I had to laugh on twitter about it. That, naturally, brought out the hate.

In the past seventy-two hours I’ve been told to get AIDS and die, die in a fire, f*** off, choke on a d**k, burn in hell, and the like. Not content to just hurl insults, shortly after RedState’s annual post on the anniversary of Roe v. Wade appeared, the left decided to willfully misread the post and accuse both me and this site of calling for open and armed rebellion against the United States.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

While I am flattered (read: deeply insulted) that the left has decided to make me the right wing equivalent of Keith Olbermann and target me and my various employers for harassment, they have built a case out of nothing.

First, I’d like to point out that I did not, contrary to the claims, write the post. However, I do stand by it.

Second, the accusation of the left is that both I and this site are calling for armed rebellion due to the persistent legal killing of children in this country. They are both lying and ignorant of history.

Let’s review.

The key allegation is premised on this paragraph:

Here at RedState, we too have drawn a line. We will not endorse any candidate who will not reject the judicial usurpation of Roe v. Wade and affirm that the unborn are no less entitled to a right to live simply because of their size or their physical location. Those who wish to write on the front page of RedState must make the same pledge. The reason for this is simple: once before, our nation was forced to repudiate the Supreme Court with mass bloodshed. We remain steadfast in our belief that this will not be necessary again, but only if those committed to justice do not waiver or compromise, and send a clear and unmistakable signal to their elected officials of what must be necessary to earn our support.

To read into that paragraph that this site or I are calling for armed rebellion against the United States requires that the very opening paragraph of the post not exist. In the opening paragraph, the author wrote, “we pause here at RedState to remember the fallen and renew our commitment to do everything within the confines of the lawful political process that may be done to end the greatest injustice that has ever been foisted on our society.”

Likewise, in the contested paragraph is this language: “We remain steadfast in our belief that this will not be necessary again, but only if those committed to justice do not waiver or compromise”.

That sound like a caveat, but it is not a caveat to any of us here. It is, however, a recognition of an unpleasant reality — a historic one the left chooses to ignore in making its case against us, and a present one we prefer not to dwell on, but must at least touch on.

Historically, the Congress ultimately allowed states to decide for themselves whether they would be free or slave states. A flood of people moved to the Kansas territory to affect its choice. Ultimately, abolitionists, like their pro-slave counterparts, were moved to violence to defend their view.

The Supreme Court decided in Dred Scott, as it did in Roe, to take the matter from the democratic processes by invoking the nonsensical legal doctrine of “substantive due process” and let our enlightened black robed masters answer the question. The result was an escalation of brutal and bloody violence in the Kansas territories, largely by abolitionists to drive out the pro-slave crowd. It also kindled in the minds of abolitionists that they were prepared for bloodshed to free the slaves.

Ultimately, the pro-slave forces decided to rebel to preserve their “property” rights. The Court’s effort to short-circuit democracy had failed. Violence begat violence. The slaveholders rebelled and turned against their country rather than accept a Republican president supported by those icky abolitionists. America was torn asunder.

Presently, there are some on the pro-life side who have chosen to abandon all reason and kill. Abortionist George Tiller and others have been killed in the name of the pro-life cause. Whatever the virtues of their motives, these actions are not pro-life, they are abhorrent and must be condemned. It is for the law to convict and God to judge, not individual citizens.

We at RedState are mindful that there are those so frustrated with this country allowing the lawful killing of children that those people are perfectly willing to take a life to preserve a life.

We not only do not condone that, but we condemn it. And that, finally, brings us to the point of the contested paragraph.

At RedState, we maintain a pro-life rule for our regular front page contributors. While a pro-abortion poster may never write about the topic, their world view is incompatible with the conservative community reflected here at RedState. Fundamentally, one who sees a world where killing a child is okay sees the world differently from the rest of us. Likewise, we do not endorse pro-abortion candidates for the same reasons.

We believe that life can be preserved and defended through legitimate political processes. We continue to fight for a Supreme Court that will ultimately overrule Roe vs. Wade. We believe it is possible. But both we and the left would be willfully naive if we ignored that there are others who have grown impatient.

I and we here at RedState pray that those who have grown impatient will seek patience. Violence is not the answer. Winning elections is.

That the left would resort to willfully misreading the point and refuting the historic ties between slavery and abortion — ties even recognized by people like Jesse Jackson — is unfortunate, but all part of their effort to silence those who see the world through the prism of life.

COMMENTS

  • smitch61

    That’s awful..Sounds like an inflammatory statement to me. I know of no one that speaks that way. They truly are the party of hatred.

  • davesinsanantonio

    a year and try to claim it as a virtue????

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    See the disconnect between our pro-life rhetoric and our inaction? I have confronted this dilemma for over 20 years and can only conclude that the inaction of me and others is basically cowardice.

    I compare this too how those that cooed at Bill Clinton’s tough talk after the African Embassy bombings but accepted his inaction with a wink, was because while his rhetoric was about the existential threat of terrorism, they knew Bill would not go to war even if his rhetoric described a circumstance that DEMANDED greater action by its very nature.

    The same is true re abortion as murder, and it is. Yet we don;t act like millions are being murdered around us everyday, do we?

  • steelpier1

    the left are deranged. There is no other excuse to be made for the rantings of a Grayson, Cohen, or even Durbin. Their philosophy and reasoning, on their best day, could be compared to the demeanor and common sense of a pack of rabid jackals.

  • http://aiseei.wordpress.com Alabama Patriot

    that I’m not the only one being called names and told what to do; things which by the way are anatomically impossible. Thanks for standing firm to your principles.

  • bigmaude

    I truly don’t understand the hate these people have for those of us who want to save lives! The only answer I can come up with is demonic possession. I’m not kidding. Scripture tells us Satan comes to steal and kill. These babies are safe in the arms of Jesus. If I was the woman who started this murderous rampage, I would find a microphone everyday until I died trying to reverse this slaughter of innocent children. I know she “found Jesus” and I’m not her judge, but where is she? She should be the one with pictures and stories on tv.

  • bigmaude

    Voting doesn’t change things. W had house and senate for six years, Ron Paul offered a bill EVERY YEAR to reverse roe v wade and it was ignored. W probably didn’t want to offend his wife, Laura who is pro abortion, as she was out reading to children who were lucky enough to make it out of the womb.

  • wolfgang

    The Left, through the haze built into their coke bottle thick glasses, thinks it perceived their very own Reichstag Fire moment in Tucson and intends to seize the moment when it was presented them. This was very evident the morning of Sunday January 9th, listening to the pronouncements of Pima County Sheriff Dupnik and the twin Democrats Clyburn, (D-SC), (D-MO), they intended to rid themselves of the harrasments of individuals like Andrew Breitbart and his $100,000 offer for any videos of spittle flying or epithets being hurled during San Fran Nan’s and the CBC’s triumphal parade after Obamacare’s passage or of Glenn Beck’s lengthy and informative dissertations on the infinitely nefarious and scurrilous roots of Liberalism.
    Once in a while across the tide of human history, encountering a gulf so broad or a chasm so vast, humanity reaches the point where its bowl is tossed and its contents loosed into the air in in a “There! It is done gesture!”
    Generals Meade and Lee encountered such a moment staring at each other across the battlefield at Gettysburg as did Generals Holland M Smith and Japanese General Tadimichi Kuribiyashi at Iwo Jima.
    Remember, we are children of the Shining City On The Hill, the city the Founders bequeathed us for our very own pursuit of Hasppiness, Life, and Liberty. But those freedoms do come at a cost, for nothing in this world is free, despite what the Left wishes all to believe in its official State pronouncements.

  • romeg

    has such difficulty with the definition of the word “Person”. Jefferson seems to have cleared that up when he penned the Declaration of Independence: “All Men are Created Equal…”. While hard-line Feminists interpret “men” as “males” serious thinkers see this as “Mankind”.

    If an artificial person can be created with the stroke of a pen then a natural person is created at the moment that the sperm unites with the ovum. Sometimes these newly created natural persons don’t fare well for perfectly natural reasons just as those who actually make it to the moment when they are able to draw their first breath don’t make it out of the delivery room for perfectly natural reasons. Does that make them any less of a person?

    Except under specially designated and well established, legally defined circumstances, to kill a person is murder. As you so clearly state, it matters not in what location that person finds himself or herself.

  • cactusjack

    past an impasse. I am not street-active in the pro life movement but i have heard, a person here, a percentage point there, the debate is starting to go our way with the total percent increasing who disfavor abortion. Not because of debate or voting, but because of the sonogram. When people actually see that little person…there is a bill in the Texas legislature now that will make viewing the sonogram mandatory before getting an abortion. Hope it passes. Meanwhile, the story of Dr Gosnell’s abortion charnel house out of Philadelphia was absoltutely ghoulish, like something out of Dr, Mengele and Auschwitz. I am not sure it is as complex as possession, it may be just plan simple guilt that is aminating their demonic reactions – because they deny guilt exists in the first place but it was planted in our souls as the handmaiden of conscience by our Creator. i

  • cactusjack

    past an impasse. I am not street-active in the pro life movement but i have heard, a person here, a percentage point there, the debate is starting to go our way with the total percent increasing who disfavor abortion. Not because of debate or voting, but because of the sonogram. When people actually see that little person…there is a bill in the Texas legislature now that will make viewing the sonogram mandatory before getting an abortion. Hope it passes. Meanwhile, the story of Dr Gosnell’s abortion charnel house out of Philadelphia was absoltutely ghoulish, like something out of Dr, Mengele and Auschwitz. I am not sure it is as complex as possession, it may be just plan simple guilt that is aminating their demonic reactions – because they deny guilt exists in the first place but it was planted in our souls as the handmaiden of conscience by our Creator. i

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    But Truth is always staring you back in the face. It is amazing to me the lengths that people will go to in self-delusion.

  • wolfgang

    Once you sow the wind: “I won!!”, “We have to pass this bill in order to find out whats in it!”, you have to expect to reap the whirlwind.

  • Scope

    or even tolerate the “violent overthrow” of the government, never. I have never known this site to promote or tolerate any type of violence period. I am sorry you are getting such horrible hate mail and messages. Some of the language being flung at you has no bearing on the Directors diary, you, and the moderators.

    Since we have had “the new tone” here at Redstate, you had to know that some things go beyond free speech, and that it may cause unintended consequences. I don’t want to make a big deal, and surely don’t want to give the leftists more fodder, but, please go back and read some of the comments on the diary in question. Some of the language matches the language that you are unfairly having flung at you. Maybe there really are some times that comments should not stand. There were a high number of comments on the diary, and, I’m sure you guys just missed the questionable few.

  • earlgrey

    Nt.

  • eddie74

    Regarding the statement, “Take a Life to Save a Life,” falls short of what was going on in the Abortionist’s abortuary, – namely – the daily killing of the un-born citizen by the DOZEN with no remorse, no feelings of guilt. Remember Mengle of the Nazi was also legally killing citizens.. Now if I may re-phrase the initial statement to this: – “Take a Life to save many Dozens of Lives.”
    It was the Democrats that fought viciously for this “Right to Kill the Un-Born.” They now want to take down & euthenize the Old Citizen with several very cunningly devized & disgised, so-called “Health Care” plans to increase early deaths among the Senior Citizens. It is the Democrats who have “The Final Solution” – - It is the Democrat’s who say that, “If YOU are Old & Sick, that You should Die Quickly.” One Democrat even suggested that, “Older People have a Patriotic Duty to get themselves “off the Books” & out of the Way once they are no longer useful citizens… Harry & Nancy will explain this to you in greater Detail later on. Just Pass the Bill so we can all learn what’s in it for you,you & YOU…!!

  • spinoneone

    Is this an example of what the President meant in Tucson? Actually, I suspect it is. Why? Because it fits precisely with the Alensky rules.

    On the other hand, we need to be a little careful of what we wish for. Do not forget that Roe v Wade was decided on the basis of the definition of “person”. The legal definition of “person” is subject to change.

    The legal definition of “freedom of religion” is not so easily handled. The secularists [am being polite here] believe the First Amendment provides them with two things: 1) freedom of religion; and, 2) freedom from religion. Judeo-Christian morality is based on the Ten Commandments. When discussing ‘thou shalt not murder’ [that is the proper translation of the original in Aramaic] then we are clearly discussing a person since one, by most rights, does not “murder” animals, plants, etc. So, if some lawyer or group produces an argument in favor of abortion based on freedom FROM religion, things could get a lot more difficult for Red Staters.

  • Bill S

    and nothing has gone that far recently. We let some things go, but not this.

  • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

    …because you speak the absolute truth.

    I know of only one activist who consistently acts like he really believes that abortion is murder — Randall Terry, who, like William Wilberforce with slavery, shows what abortion really does, so that people will not have the excuse of saying “but we didn’t know!” — and yet Terry is snobbishly disowned by most of the rest of the pro-life movement.

    I think that’s because those photographs of aborted babies make us all squirm, because all of us are involved in this evil. To the extent that we allow it to go on, we are guilty. It’s a proven fact that a prolonged, prayerful, daily presence outside an abortion facility does eventually result in its going out of business and closing its doors. But how many of us devote even a few hours a week to standing out there?

    We don’t act like we really believe abortion is the murder that we say it is. That disconnect, as much as anything, is why the Left is able to keep defeating us on this issue. They know that we don’t believe it ourselves, so they mistakenly, but understandably, perceive our efforts to restrict or ban abortion as coming not from genuine concern for babies but rather, just a desire to “keep women in their place.”

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Our Founders and Framers and our history of success changed the world for the better by showing people can govern themselves via a democratic republic rather than via a king, totalitarian dictatorship oligarchy…

    But just because we elect people doesn’t mean that there is never any need for We the People to consider Jefferson’s admonitions re refreshing the tree of Liberty. Heck Martin Knight at this site announced a few months ago that he favors the imposition of Sharia Law in the United States, but only thru voluntary, democratic and legal means.

    Would Sharia be any more palatable is imposed legally thru votes?

    Of course not.

    Now, I do think that our rule of law system should be used before revolution, but how many millions have to die since the rule of 7 men with robes opened Pandora’s Box and let people have their cake and eat it too…in the millions?

    I think the same way re Obama’s executive overreach and a Congress that essentially takes power and liberty from the people no matter the results of Elections/

    Martin Luther King, Jr. famously asked How Long?

    Unlike fetuses, he could speak.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    oppression and injustice were not eliminated merely by throwing off a king.

  • eddie74

    That EVERY Democrat that voted to Legalize this Murder of the Un-Born Citizen by the MILLIONS, or continues to support this continuing murder should be forced to spend a week in the Abortuary and be forced to bury the Dead Bodies of these murdered babies..Just like the murdering Nazis were forced to do at the end of WW-2 – - dig the very graves to bury their murdered victims.. What’s Good for the Nazi should also be GOOD for the Democrat..

  • whatevrworks

    Isn’t it amazing that things like the Arizona shooting (the work of one lone nutjob) is blamed on our language and rhetoric. Our lack of civility is blamed for all kinds of problems in the world, but yet you never hear any of the hate and anger coming from the conservative side of the aisle, its always coming from the left. Republicans and conservatives for the most part believe that foul language and name-calling is below us, the left of the other hand is more than willing to go there time after time.

    DF
    http://notadriveby.blogspot.com

  • Superheater

    The left routinely calls for armed insurrection (piven) when its not actually executing it (ayers). I’m not even counting the assault on property and society launched by the ACLU and other law warriors.

    Leftism, is a mental disorder-its end-stage, metastatic idiocy.

    And yet our “leaders” will bow to the left’s call for surrender tonight-they should remember lying with dogs gives you fleas.

    Is this incivil enough?

  • ramboike

    I felt the same way when you were on CNN with Cooper, Martin and Toobin, and used Jesus to trash us constitutionalists over Obama’s birth certificate.

  • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

    “At RedState, we maintain a pro-life rule for our regular front page contributors. While a pro-abortion poster may never write about the topic, their world view is incompatible with the conservative community reflected here at RedState. Fundamentally, one who sees a world where killing a child is okay sees the world differently from the rest of us. Likewise, we do not endorse pro-abortion candidates for the same reasons.”

    Finally, someone who will take a stand. I commend all of you. I am so tired of hearing of the need for compromise and a big tent. If the big tent includes those who want to be free to murder children, then I want no part of the tent.

  • texasgalt

    Governor Perry announced he was designating the bill “emergency status” in remarks made Saturday at the Rally for Life in Austin.

    http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&tbs=nws:1&q=austin+rally+for+life++2011&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=ea11e014d023051f

    .

  • johnt

    The savages are approaching the edge of the volcano.
    The nut Matthews is calling Beck a nazi while complaining of the rhetoric, typical of these creatures. It’s going to be a rocky 2012.
    At this late date for anyone to accept TheO’s prescriptions for job creation, education spending, and infrastructure, after failure and waste galore, has already had their lobotomy.

  • texasgalt

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-iLyDu9Y9U

  • texasgalt

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-iLyDu9Y9U

  • Scope

    Please understand, I am not trying to make trouble, and, that was why I tried to be as vague as possible with my comment, however, I don’t know how many different meanings can be attributed to this comment-

    ——————————————

    The court permitted the nation to murder more than 50 million human souls.

    Explain to me why this is not, by itself, sufficient cause for armed rebellion and overthrow of what is clearly an immoral government. And explain further why we have not engaged in that conflict.

    I am completely serious. If we genuinely believe that a murder of this magnitude has occurred, we need to state very clearly why we are not aiming to overthrow the perpetrators ? and we need to consider, each of us, whether we really accept those reasons. ?Cause from where I sit, we?re no less culpable than the Germans who went merrily along with the mass murder of the Jews.

    Somebody explain where I?m wrong, here. I don?t see it.

    ——————————————————–

    There are a few more by the same poster below that. Someone actually posted a reply saying- “I don’t think the directors would look to well upon calling for the violent overthrow of the government.” There is yet another reply- “Shame on you for calling for armed rebillion.”

    It very well may be my mistake to think that that comment may be at least a part of the wild reaction from the leftists, but, the words in the comment seem to be similar to what the loony lefties are referring to.

  • Scope

    but not only are we fighting the Liberals with their push for “it’s a womans choice” garbage, we are also fighting some who are supposed to be on our side. We have 2 possible presidential candidates calling for a “truce” on social issues, which the biggest social issue is abortion, and those that have also bought into the meme that “it’s a woman’s choice”, because after all, it’s all about maximum freedom and liberty, don’t you know. I am thankful that the majority in the country are now pro-life, rather than pro-choice. I saw a poll, on Fox last night, that claimed that at one time it was 43% pro-life, and 50% pro-choice. That number recently has completely reversed. That’s huge.

    We are so big on expanding our tent, that we now embrace those that don’t even have respect for life, but in fact are either pro-choice, or don’t care either way, just so we can attract more votes for our side. You say you have come to the conclusion that we allow abortion to happen because of cowardice. If that is so, then we are all cowards to not call out even those that claim to be in our party, for supporting murder.

  • Read Chesterton

    should have been treated as a moby, even if he was just a wingnut.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Let’s not adopt lefty names?

  • Read Chesterton

    with water and stomped on till cold by the moderators?

  • Read Chesterton
  • JadedByPolitics

    sometimes one needs to leave up the stupid to show that the majority of Conservatives and Redstate are level headed and will call out the idiocy of the aforementioned poster. The left will choose any small amount of crazy to use against Conservatives, they themselves have whole diaries and ALL of the comments calling for the overthrow of the Government under President Bush, but don’t let that get in the way of smacking Redstate about the head.

  • acat

    no offense to the various sports teams meant.

    Mew

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • oldphart

    The Revolutionary war was preceded by years of “politically correct” chatter between British Parliament and the colonies. The war between the states had a similar period in which politicians carefully selected words to avoid stepping over some imaginary line between debate and bloodshed. We all know the eventual outcome in both those cases.

    Whether we like the idea or not, we’re in that same, early stage with respect to abortion. During the run-up to both those wars there were many who favored immediate, decisive action and an equal number that felt content to settle the issue at hand with civil debate. Those who favored direct action (war) were pushed to the fringes of the discussion by those who preferred pursuit of a more quiet, more legal remedy.

    Now, in this issue, we have those who favor fighting by ballot, even though our victories are rare and come at the price of millions of lives. Others, less patient, advocate direct action and immediately find themselves ostracized by both sides of the debate. It was the same for the proponents of direct action prior to both of the wars mentioned above. Yet now, in hindsight, we celebrate as patriots many of those “hotheads” who rushed to arms.

    Someday, violent anti-abortionists may be rememberd as a great men. Right now they’re terrorists.

  • The_Gadfly

    you know you have arrived. Even better, you know that without using vile language, you are hitting them where it hurts the most.

    Still, best to review that personal defense plan.

  • citizenjerry

    After what’s been revealed about Dr. Kermit’s abortion house of horrors in Philadelphia, is it any wonder we think these people are deranged? I’m sure there are others just like him who haven’t been exposed yet. A better name for them would be Dr. Mengele.
    There’s one strident pro-abort member of Congress with a hyphenated surname who’s always pushing herself in front of the television cameras. She comes off as an incredibly hateful, haggish woman. It’s the kind of hate that comes from those who think human life is disposable.
    Roe v. Wade will fall when Americans start feeling as ashamed of abortion as they do of slavery.
    Ora pro nobis.

  • renny

    that gave the Supremes the penumbra of privacy.

    The truth is women have always sought ways to end pregnancy, even to the point of self injury and death. That issue cannot be denied or wished away by, particularly, male decisions.

    But the Supreme Court erred in taking an issue that could have been left to the states and creating a societal upheaval that has not settled since, causing tremendous religious conflict, giving rise to a bitter anti-church element in the Am. culture that is counter to hundreds of years of history, and pitting the political parties against each other, Why the court did is it was the same court that gave us Tinker and Cohen and others of its vastly left-wing ilk.

    I saw the five-week sonogram of my grandson, and that’s well within the first trimester, and I saw a baby with a head and neck, arms and hands, legs and feet, and complete torso, It is not some disassociated blob of cells that abortionists should never have been able to promote, as medical personnel had seen the stages of gestation since forever.

    And although I find the idea of abortion repugnant and revolting, Roe, like o’care, needs overthrowing and replacing, but the question of replacement is not a stark “no abortions”–because women will still get them– as some seem to think can happen here.

  • builder20

    Gather.

    Then gather some more.

    Fill it to the top, it won’t be so hard.

    Take your casket, your dump truck, and drive it over to the Senate, House, the White House, and the Supreme Court. Drive one to every State Capitol. Lay your gathering upon the hearth, and let the world watch as the birds of the air devour our future. Let the sight of innocence torn asunder be seen by all.

    You want Abortion to end?

    Then open the casket.

  • Scope

    where he said-

    “We at Redstate are mindful that there are those so frustrated with this country allowing for the lawful killing of children that those people are perfectly willing to take a life to preserve a life.”

    “We not only do not condone that but we condem it.”

    Bill S said above-

    “In fact we ban those who talk in such a manner and nothing has gone that far recently. We let some things go, but not this.”

    You are against using lefty language such as “wingnuts” but, would rather call them “seditionists” even when someone was then promoting what you call sedition on this site.

    In the diary, EE also said- He is deeply insulted that the left has decided to make him the right wing equivalent of Keith Olberman and target him, and his various employers for harassment, they have built a case out of nothing.”

    After reading Erick’s diary, and hearing the sharp backlash he is getting from the lefties, the utter hate filled retorts and etc., and, the fact that his employers are apparently getting the same backlash, I simply thought it would be wise to also consider that a few comments on that particular diary may in fact have added to, or been the impetus for the backlash, especially because those comments seem to mirror the language being used against him, and his various employers.

    The short of it all- There have been many comments, or diaries removed and redacted with warnings that RS does not support those ideas. Wouldn’t it have all been so much easier, and less painful for EE if those comments were simply redacted with something like, we don’t support this idea at this site. Now it seems that the whole thing is growing rather than going away. Again, I think there will continue to be some unintended consequences because of the site’s “new tone” which I believe was meant to bring more “civility.” I may be wrong about that though.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Moderation policy decisions I don’t make on my own, so I’m neither prepared nor authorized to give you an answer to this.

    I suggest you hit the contact page if you have questions about what we do or don’t moderate.

  • Dan McLaughlin

    That RS has somehow endorsed every comment or diary that doesn’t get banned. There is not hours enough in the day to review everything, and decisions by individual moderators may vary.

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    I am all for the “new tone” (having written a diary deploring the old tone), but since Erick called for greater civility, there have been far fewer “Is there a moderator in the house” type comments. I think that this is unfortunate, because when regulars post comments like that, they’re usually pointing out a real problem.

    This is a case when one was definitely needed. Everybody on here knows that Erick, Neil, and company would never support anything like a violent insurrection (or violence of any sort, unless it’s directed al Qaeda and other wartime enemies), and individuals calling for it should (in my view) be immediately banned, rebuked by a moderator, and have their comments redacted by striking through them or some such thing, so that it’s clear what other RedStaters were arguing against before the ban.

    I know that it’s not my site, and I don’t make the rules, but it would send the right message and be in line with site’s policies.

  • Read Chesterton
  • powertothepeople

    that we too often assume the mods are on all day long and all night long. I can say that in the twenty to thirty minute blocks that I come in to the site, no less than 10 comments go through the screen and usually way more than that. I have actually seen so many comments come in in 20 minutes, that the screen to the right has all new comments each time I return to the front page.

    So going on that, it is an understanding that comments will slip though the cracks and even entire diaries. I know there have been times when I call out MOD NEEDED SPAM and within minutes the whole diary is gone, yet later on, the diary stands since none of the mods are on. Not that they would not have taken care of it, they simply can not be here all day long 24/7, can not possibly scroll through all new posts when they do come in since I would assume they have their own lives, jobs, and posts, and they can not be expected to catch everything. I spend way too much time on here and maybe more than most, and I do not see all the spam, moronic, leftist, or rule breaking posts that come in.

    The fact is, take away all the sedition comments, and the left would have said the same thing. They do not like us, in fact they hate us, they hate our leaders and our spokespeople, and it does not take comments from nobodies ( no offense meant, I include my popularity ratings in that category) to form lying points of attack. And we should not justify their behavior or their attacks by stating it may have been some random comment that caused the backlash.

    I am not responsible for what you say, and thank God, you are not responsible for what I say. Same applies to Erik and the rest of the staff. If the left expects them to be able to moderate a large site like this, then we need to extend the same courtesy and stringent requirements to their sites.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • JSobieski

    “Explain to me WHY this is not, by itself, sufficient cause for armed rebellion and overthrow of what is clearly an immoral government.”

    This asks a question. It does not presume that violence is the answer, it literally asks for why violence is not justified in this case.

    “And explain further why we have not engaged in that conflict.”

    Again asking for feedback, not saying engage in violence.

    “I am completely serious. IF we genuinely believe that a murder of this magnitude has occurred”

    IF is a conditional word.

    “we need to state very clearly WHY we are not aiming to overthrow the perpetrators ? and we need to consider, each of us, whether we really accept those reasons.”

    Yet another question.

    ” ?Cause from where I sit, we?re no less culpable than the Germans who went merrily along with the mass murder of the Jews.”

    This is hard to swallow, the but the sentence is not urging a violent uprising.

    “Somebody explain where I?m wrong, here. I don?t see it.”

    Again, asking for feedback, not demanding violence.

    I don’t think it serves RS well to ban comments like this. Not that I have any say on the matter, and I am glad I do not.

    Would our response to this comment be different if instead of 50 Million abortions of the unborn, there had been 50 million executions of 8 year olds?

    Those questions are worth asking. The commentor asked them in a different way.

    I realize that the writer may in fact wish to incite violence, but the specific writing being attacked falls short of that bald incitement. If asking challenging questions is a banning offense, I think we are in trouble.

    What would you be willing to do to protect your loved ones?

    How far would you be willing to go in order to save this precious country?

  • sharonmcp

    Not content to just hurl insults, shortly after RedState?s annual post on the anniversary of Roe v. Wade appeared, the left decided to willfully misread the post and accuse both me and this site of calling for open and armed rebellion against the United States.

    I don’t usually disagree with Reagan, but, when he said, ?the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they?re ignorant; it?s just that they know so much that isn?t so?, he was only half right.

  • Scope

    and my original comment included the fact that it may have just been overlooked. I have myself posted here that the moderators cannot be everywhere all the time. I do understand that they have lives after RS. I have said that.

    Look, as I said above, my concern, or shall I say sympathy was in the fact that EE has found it necessary to defend himself and the site from the attacks, when he himself never made any of those comments. After having been in management, I know what it feels like to be called on the carpet because of what someone under my direction did, and I took the hell for it, and was told that it was my responsibility to know what went on in my department. I understand this is a very different circumstance, it is a website, not an accounting department. I truly felt sorry for EE, and, as he said his employers.

    I have once again learned a valuable lesson, from now on I will abide by MYOB.

  • powertothepeople

    you raise a valid point. In this day and age companies, or in the case of RedState a blog, and its owners are judged by its employees, customers, and visitors. Some fool comes on here and calls for a rebellion, we all end up looking like idiots and so does staff and ownership.

    My only point was that while you are correct that the post was nonsense and the left most likely used it against Erik, the fact remains that there is no way to for the staff to find and remove all offensive posts before the left sees them and even if the post never existed, the left would have still attacked Erik and would have used the same wording or something similar. They do not need a reason to attack, they are more than willing to make one up.

  • powertothepeople

    you are on of my favorites here and I think I have agreed with you at an almost 100% rate. Not disagreeing here at all…………

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    It may be the case, legally, that these questions are not a call to arms (or akin to one) but I don’t think that it is the case?didactically.

    Unless the hypotheticals were straw men, they were framed and ordered to draw the reader to the conclusion that armed revolt is morally justifiable and perhaps even necessary. The author states his position pretty clearly, unless he’s being coy.

    I wonder if this is the sort of thing John Brown might have said. In hindsight, his cause was just, but his means were not.

    Considering the fact that a number of abortionists have been murdered, and the murders justified with similar logic, I think that it is incumbent on conservatives to confront such language directly, fiercely, and unambiguously.

  • Scope

    and I also have liked and agreed with most everything you have posted. I guess that’s why we are considered the rabble rousers around these parts.

    BTW, can I call you PTTP, your name is awful long to type? LOL

  • powertothepeople

    and wear the rabble rousing title with pride. For every flower garden there has to be the thorns. And most forget while being poked by the thorn, that the most beautiful of all flowers is attached to the thorn, the rose.

    Man I love being the thorn…….lol

  • SoulEspresso

    We’re winning. We’re further along than you think. It has been mentioned that ultrasound is persuading more people of the value of those little lumps of cells. Pro-life people also tend to have more children than abortionists–go figure.

    If you’re telling me that you think the man who shot Tiller may someday be as revered as Washington, Adams and Jefferson, well … the posting rules prohibit me from replying as forcefully as I’d like, but I’ll say you’re wrong.

    Anyway it’s lefty textbooks that draw equivalencies between American Revolutionaries and modern terrorists, not honest histories.

  • bigmaude

    My husband and I were eating out and the server was a college student. Long story short, conversation got around to abortion, he didnt believe he had a right to tell a woman what to do with her body. I asked him if he believed in equal rights for women, of course he said. I asked him what about equal rights for UNBORN women? He’d never thought of that. I gave him a set of precious feet, the ten weeks size AND a pamphlet on “choice”…..open casket. It shows what “choice” really means. My family thought that was too much. I don’t.

  • bigmaude

    Whose mother opened the casket at his funeral? Guess you heard that speech too!

  • williamjameson

    Olbermann isn’t tame enough to appear on CNN without a muzzle or someone manning the FCC “beepout” button, so the comparision to Eric is foolish. Its time for the left to leave people alone and allow free speech devoid of employment harassment , only guttersnipes try to bully people into backdown. Angry liberals need to drink a glass of Shut Up Juice. Lol!

    Over 50 million unborn babies have been killed since Roe v Wade. Reverend Al Sharpton was on Hannity Tuesday night debating former Senator Rick Santorum over abortion. Santorum mentioned that half of the black babies conceaved were aborted thereby cutting the black population in half. Sharpton glazed right over it. Mission accomplished liberals, you’ve convinced Sharpton to carry the water for abortion too!

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/nearly-50-million-abortions-have-been-pe
    Nearly 50 Million Abortions Have Been Performed in U.S. Since Roe v. Wade Decision Legalized Abortion

  • thibodaux

    I’m so so happy he’s gone. I wouldn’t watch Football night in America as long as he was on there. Good Bye and Good Riddance.

  • runner12

    Speaking of insurrection against the government based on this issue is foolish and would undo the YEARS of hard work by those who have fought so hard to end abortion in this country. I believe that we are very close to seeing Roe overturned in this country. We are winning the argument.

    Besides, who would you “fight” against? There are many in the government who are passionately pro-life and are working very hard to limit and restrict abortions. So you can’t say you would “fight” against the government because some of the people you would be fighting would be on your side. You can’t go after the doctors because that would be murder. One act of violence (abortion) does not make another one justifiable. You never fight evil with evil.

  • Doc Holliday

    now you would never know he even existed. They don’t mention him anymore, and with all that pandering, it only bought him 24 hours of outrage; so much for a legacy.

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