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Let Me Pre-Emptively Endorse Jeff Flake

Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ) is throwing in the towel and retiring from the Senate.

Much speculation will be had over the next few weeks about who to endorse and who to support.

Let me be up front and just say I endorse Jeff Flake for the United States Senate.

Now . . . now we just need to get him to run. Details. Just a detail.

Consider this an open thread.

COMMENTS

  • irishfreedomfighter

    or are we having many more retirements from the Senate than usual?

  • gawken

    There will be a primary, which is good for conservatives.

    As I type, Alexander has announced that he will run for the leadership post. The GOP will control the Senate next year, and I want DeMint to help run it.

  • robbyahm

    Im all for Jeff Flake but no Pamela Gorman or Ruth McClung

  • robbyahm

    Demint inspires Conservatives to get engaged in the political process of primary, it does us good if we have an establishment republican being majority leader to have a conservative in the 2nd spot.

  • bcochran1981

    a previous post started an all out riot with even RS commentators getting involved. LOL.

  • brooklyncon

    Flake would be a great pick.

    More importantly (even if it isn’t Flake) the decision needs to be made by grassroots Conservatives.

    Arizona is too conservative of a state to have two squishy Republican Senators like John McCain. One is enough.

  • powertothepeople

    cause a riot on this site?

  • powertothepeople

    and while there may be others who would do just as good of a job or be just as straight forward and honest, Jeff has proven himself since day one. I have been reading his site jeffflake.com for some time now and enjoy his exposure of the nonsense going on in the Congress.

    Do not live there but will send money the day he announces. He would be a great addition to that scum pond and would be a great help to good reps such as DeMint.

  • brooklyncon

    Like Flake he has a solid Conservative record.

  • bcochran1981

    It was just a joke referring to his earlier post about GOProud and the ensuing “riot.”

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    He’s currently unemployed and we don’t put a House seat at risk (yeah, it’s a miniscule risk) or lose Flake’s seniority. I’d rather see Flake take Ron Paul’s committee assignment.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    probably win. There isn’t a Democrat in Arizona with anything that approaches statewide name recognition and the one’s who are relatively high profile are lepers.

  • aesthete

    I do really like Flake, though, and his seat is pretty much a guaranteed win for conservatives… I give the edge to Shadegg, but Flake comes in close second for my choice for the seat.

  • http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ dhorowitz3

    I guess it is impossible to get a perfect nominee, but I am a bit concerned about Flake’s views on illegal immigration. As just one House member he didn’t stand out, but as a Senator, he would augment the ranks of the pro amnesty Republicans. With that said, there is virtually nobody who is as solid as Flake on fiscal issues. I guess we just have to see who else tosses their hat into the ring.

  • chihank

    could include Terry Gooddard or Janet Nappy. However, I doubt they could actually win.

    A potential Dem candidate that could put the seat in play would be gabby Giffords or her husband.

  • Mark D

    I think he could win a state wide racer. It would also be thoroughly entertaining to watch all the liberals lose their collective minds over him. I’m not sure he’d be an effective Senator however.

  • IJB
  • Adjoran

    The #2 position is the “whip” – his sole job is to gather votes for the official party position. He must be able to persuade, cajole, and even threaten others so they don’t stray off the party line. That’s the job.

    DeMint would be handcuffed and virtually gagged in such a position. He could not be the voice of conservatism on the one hand, and the party vote-gatherer on the other. A man cannot serve two masters.

    It’s one thing to like and admire my Senator, but before you go nominating him for a position, you should understand what the job entails.

  • red_oakster

    Wouldn’t Franks or Shadegg be better?

    What say you?

  • red_oakster

    His efforts to lift the pressure on Castro are a bit much for my taste. I’d prefer Franks or Shadegg.

    Erick, I am quite surprised here by your endorsement. It seems to be settling for one quarter of a loaf when we have solid conservative alternatives.

  • YnotNOW

    The Senate should recognize that his leadership of Conservatives in the Senate is a significant power block.

  • YnotNOW

    The Senate should recognize that his leadership of Conservatives in the Senate is a significant power block.

  • cordpt

    I doubt she’d win, but she could make it close. If she isn’t in the race, Flake will win comfortably.

    If the Republican nominee is someone else, then I can see Goddard making it a race, depending on how the presidential election is going. Napolitano is damaged goods and I can’t think of any other democrat with a chance of winning a state wide race unless the Republicans nominate a Haywood type.

  • cordpt

    I doubt he’s interested though. The need to compromise would fatally taint his brand and destroy the mythology that grants him the support and money of the purity crowd.

  • Aaron Gardner

    I just asked her on twitter. I hope she finds a good position to run for at some point, she seems very solid and founded in principle.

  • itsjoanne

    Ben Nelson, Tester, Pryor all likely to be defeated. Nelson particularly almost certainly.

    I’m guessing there are more retirement announcements to come.

  • zroxx

    What stated positions of his or actual votes can you cite that support your assertion that he is “bad on foreign policy and national security”?

  • e_rowe

    Flake voted against it. I don’t know what other votes might distinguish Shadegg from Flake. I think they both bucked their party and voted no on both Medicare D and No Child Left Behind. But that TARP vote is a biggie, and the point goes to Flake for that one.

  • chihank

    Almost a year ago, JD Hayworth announced his challenge to McCain. To the Tea Party Patriots, JD Hayworth was the true conservative. With Kyl retiring, so far there has been no talk of JD Hayworth for Senate. What a difference a year makes.

  • e_rowe

    http://reason.com/blog/2008/09/22/how-do-we-clone-rep-jeff-flake

  • gpclaw

    Jeff Flake was against ear marks before it was popular. Almost on a weekly basis Flake would take the House floor to propose amendments to strip out ear marks proposed by both Republicans and Democrats. These moments were routinely aired on C-SPAN. Flake would draw huge amounts of fire from both parties because he dared to challenge the sacred cow. It is hard to find anyone in either chamber of congress who regularly displays the character and conviction that this man does. Even if you don’t agree with him 100%, you can trust that he will do what he says and has been standing up for constitutional values when the rest of the GOP had lost it’s way.

  • e_rowe

    I see Hayworth as a one-trick pony – immigration. Apart from that issue, he was no better than McCain, and sometimes worse.

    Hayworth voted for both Medicare Part D and No Child Left Behind. I’m pretty sure McCain voted against Medicare D. And Flake voted against both of them. in addition to voting against all of the Bush and Obama bailout and stimulus bills.

  • zroxx

    but there’s not much there other than his specific position on the fecklessness of a trade embargo that’s been going on for almost 50 years with no change in Cuban governance to show for it. It’s crystal clear that he holds the Cuban government itself in low regard and that he feels Cuba is an excellent object lesson in the detrimental effects of socialism.

  • gpclaw

    Flake: “To see what happens when government controls the means of production and the economy, and health care… It would be a greater appreciation for Capitalism after you get back”.

    Right on brother

  • e_rowe

    But many Republicans are not so appreciative of the free market’s ability to accomplish things better than government regulations can.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    It killed me when she lost to Quayle and I too hope she finds a slot. I’d like to see her run for Governor, lord knows we need one.

    I made the comment about Pam and Ruth, but I really couldn’t see either of them running, especially Ruth since she’s still an unknown quantity in most of the state and I think she could beat the Mexican Mafia next time out.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I can live with Flake, but I’d prefer Shadegg. Franks is a non-starter, he’s a stealth Critter outside his district.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Heck, JD Hayworth might even be able to beat him. He won’t be elected to any office in Arizona again. (Goddard)

    Nappy is the only person who could make things interesting, and I think she’d lose by something less than double digits.

    The key is to avoid a nasty primary fight. Pretty much everybody mentioned would be a very good Senator – better than Kyl has become – and would win in a walk.

    Selfishly, I’d like to see Jan run and win just to get rid of her.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908
  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    He’d be radioactive.

    The objective of elections is to win not nominate somebody who cause liberal heads to explode. Just call the capitol switchboard and ask for Senator O’Donnell or Senator Angle, they’ll tell you the same thing.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    JD Hayworth is a complete idiot. He’s also no conservative if you look at his voting record. He’s a loudmouth buffoon who couldn’t win the primary because the Republican voters in his former district hate him with an unbridled passion.

    If you like the guy, I can arrange to have him duct taped and shipped to you.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • e_rowe

    Because if it’s the latter, then the TARP vote is among the more significant litmus tests we have. Granted, it’s still just one vote. And there could conceivably be points in Shadegg’s favor that outweigh that. But if there are, I’d like to see them.

  • carolina

    Reps. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz) and Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.) voted against the spending levels at the full committee meeting Tuesday in protest.
    The growing revolt has forced the GOP back to the drawing board.

    from theHill.com

  • carolina

    Reps. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz) and Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.) voted against the spending levels at the full committee meeting Tuesday in protest.
    The growing revolt has forced the GOP back to the drawing board.

    from theHill.com

  • Brian_Roastbeef

    Who is the likely competition that the Dems will put up against Flake or Shadegg.

    Assume that Giffords, even as well as her recovery has been so far, will need to continue focusing on her health over the next year rather than jump into the rigors of a statewide race. Will they try Napolitano? If so, what sort of support does she have within the state. My understanding was that she was (inexplicably) reasonably popular when Governor, though that was before ‘Big Sis,’ TSA pat downs, “see something, say something,” and a whole slew of embarrassing failures working for the administration.

    Is there anybody on their bench that could make this a race for Flake or Shadegg, assuming that the Republican Pres. candidate on top of the ticket should win the state by a solid margin?

  • Mike Ferguson
  • SirGladiator

    From what I know of the potential contenders, Flake definitely seems to be the best. I don’t think the Dems can nominate anybody with a very good shot at winning, especially given that its a Presidential year and Obama is incredibly unpopular in Arizona, what with him suing the state and everything. I’d definitely say nominate the best person for the job, and expect that person to win if they run a decent campaign.

  • gonzo55

    She’s reasonable on immigration and defense, but her slander of Palin re implying Sarah was trying to shoot her or something is so far beyond the pale, especially in this time of “civility”, that I think she’s done as a political entity.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    it’s about who will win the most seats. All of the available candidates will be significantly more conservative than Kyl.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    She came within a whisker of getting beat by Jesse Kelly and would have likely lost without help from SEIU and their registration shenanigans. Kelly would have most certainly have beaten her in 12 but now with the stupid vote, she’ll probably get reelected if she runs.

    Bottom line, we don’t know how her health really is and whether she’s going to be able to handle the job. I doubt she’d have any shot at all at either Flake or Shadegg, she’s going to have to run with Obama in Arizona and that’s a big handicap for any candidate.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    During the 110th Congress, I introduced the only bipartisan, comprehensive immigration bill with my colleague, Congressman Jeff Flake, from Arizona. Our bill would create a system that allows undocumented immigrants to come out of the shadows and work here legally and safely and humanely. It regulates future flows of workers, and it greatly enhances our border security. It creates a system predicated on family values by developing laws that keep families strong and, most importantly, keeps husbands and wives, parents and children together.

    Rep. Luis Guitierrez (Progressive, IL). At “Progress Illinois.” As in Progressive Illinois. Take a look at the site.

    Hat tip to SeeingRedAZ.com.

    More interesting information and comments from Arizona conservatives here.

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • aesthete

    We won’t see anything like it in the future, and pretty much every conservative who supported it has retracted his or her support. I find the Medicare Pt D, NCLB, and other such bills that are regularly proposed much more useful barometers. On those issues, both Shadegg and Flake stack up pretty well. I prefer Flake’s voting record for a couple of reasons, but not to the point where I’d be disappointed with Shadegg up there instead of Flake. As Mbeck notes, Flake would lose the seniority that he currently has in the House. OTOH, if McCain finally retires, I wouldn’t mind Shadegg and Flake being our Senators.

  • aesthete

    She’s got the AZ-08 seat for as long as she want it, unfortunately, and maybe at some point in the future she might be able to channel that into a credible bid for Gov or Senate, but for now, she’s just got the enclave in Tucson. Too bad: Jesse Kelly would have made a great House rep.

  • aesthete

    The Dem bench is plumb dry, and though Giffords might end up being a wild card in the future, for now, she’s got her district locked up and that’s about it. They’re probably going to run a nobody like the guy who ran against McCain.

  • aesthete

    Not gonna happen, but it should.

  • eldstenorge

    Flake and Shadegg are both great, but we need someone who will not just sit on the bench, but will stand up and fight for our beliefs, like Sen. Pearce or Joe Arpaio.

  • napensnake

    If DeMint has the cojones, as Whip, he could tell the Minority Leader that he will NOT line up votes for watered down fertilizer. He would be in a position to push McConnell and the rest of the pseudo-conservatives to the right if they want anything done.

    It has been said that a person should be willing, on principle, to compromise but not to compromise on principles.

    In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win.
    Ayn Rand

  • silkywiley

    My dear aesthete, I used your quote and was roundly set back because the quote is apparently authored by Daniel the firebrand and not Noah the publisher of the dictionary. I googled it and sure enough is was Daniel.

  • controse

    Your country needs you.

  • silkywiley

    Actually Merriam is the dictionary, so who is Noah, Meriam father?

  • silkywiley

    I re-read all of the posts on the Erik’s previous article about CPAC and I did not see the reason for the disgust. There was a good deal of passion and a stating of reasons for positions but I couldn’t find the name calling and profanity. I also did not understand a moderator getting involved, taking a side, (pretty intimidating) and everyone getting on a high horse. It seemed to me that the taking down of the thread was the same old “social conservatives sit down, shut up and get in the back of the bus” But then I am pretty unfamiliar with the territory here.

  • aesthete

    Especially Joe Arpaio, who endorsed Nappy over fantastic conservative Salmon in our Gov race, and who’s antics have cost Maricopa County a goodly amount of money.

  • kestrel

    the House appropriations committee will be a huge loss.
    Today’s Wall St. Journal quotes someone close to Flake as saying “Jeff is definitely going to run.”

  • aesthete

    first comprehensive dictionary. Merriam, IIRC, was a businessman who bought the rights to keep publishing and updating Noah’s dictionary (hence the dash in “Merriam-Webster”).

    Regarding the quote, I think you’re right — I was attributing based on (apparently faulty) memory. I’ll change that now.

  • williamjameson

    Jeese that guy was an embarrassment. No room for far righties, the country needs serious candidates. I’ll have to study Flake first, not my state but the winners decisions affect other states and the people.

  • http://minorcan-maven.blogspot.com/ minorcanmaven

    Comments were closed >..< for your most awesome post on CPAC, I just had to say THANK YOU!! This has been greatly disturbing to me. THANK YOU for being bold and giving good facts to help my confusion on this issue.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Pearce is OK at the job he’s got but he’d not be a good Senatorial Candidate. In a campaign that would be instantly nationalized by the Dems he would be toxic to the whole party. I happen to really like the guy but he’s no US Senatorial Candidate.

    Arpaio would make JD Hayworth look like a reasonable candidate. Plus, he’s pushing 80. Oh, and in addition to what aesthete said – and the cost is hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements of lawsuits over the way he runs Maricopa County Jail – outside of the most conservative pockets of Maricopa County Joe is less popular than Hayworth.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    If she’s leaving Nevada she should move to Delaware to help Christine O’Donnell run her “Losers PAC”.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    In Arizona, the situation for the other side looks like this…

    • Goddard is toast. He got massacred by a third rate Republican incumbant governor. He’s already lost statewide to McCain. Stick a fork in him.
    • In ’12 Obama will be on the ballot. He will do worse in AZ than anywhere in the nation because of immigration. No US Senate candidate will be able to outrun that.
    • Nappy == Obama. She’s done in AZ. Heck, Joe Arpaio probably wouldn’t even support her again.
    • The Dems have exactly two candidates with any statewide pull: Giffords and Ed Pastor. Neither would pull much in Maricopa County especially when cojoined with Obama.
    • Any Republican candidate, other than possibly Jan Brewer, will be a solid conservative with a sold record. Brewer is an incompetent idiot and shouldn’t run, but if she does I hope she resigns as Governor.

    Bottom line, red now red in ’12. More conservative in ’12.

  • kestrel

    a role model of blunt understatement.

  • swstryker

    Having lived here in AZ since 1970 I agree that Flake would be a good replacement but John Shadegg would be a GREAT replacement.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    And when this was reported I called him and confronted him on it and he backed off “big time.”

    As reported by Howard Levine at www.gopusa.com:

    In response to a question about getting involved in political organizations, Rep. Shadegg encouraged Conservatives to get involved in grassroots organizations such as the Republican Jewish Coalition, contact their elected officials, and talk to people about issues in order to present a Conservative view for others to consider. He said that getting involved in the Arizona State Republican Party or the Maricopa County Republican Party was a bad idea because they were being poorly led and were at the lowest level since Ev Mecham was governor of Arizona. He said that the Arizona and Maricopa County Republican leaders used the illegal immigration issue to create conflicts in the Republican Party. Instead, he said the Republican Party leaders should focus on having a big tent to welcome many people into the Republican Party. He gave as examples those who favored strict enforcement of illegal immigration laws and those favoring giving citizenship to illegal aliens as well as both pro-choice and pro-life Republicans. He said that he personally did not support giving illegal aliens citizenship as does Jeff Flake, but that he is definitely not supportive of people like Russell Pearce who want to arrest and deport illegal immigrants on a huge scale. He did not say what approach he does support, though.

    The article is no longer on the site, but here’s the Google cache. Judge for yourself:

    Rep. Shadegg Speaks to Republican Jewish Coalition
    By Howard Levine
    GOPUSA News
    April 13, 2009

    John Shadegg, US Representative from Arizona Congressional District 3, was the featured speaker tonight at a meeting of the Republican Jewish Coalition Arizona Chapter at the Jewish Community Center in Scottsdale, AZ. Rep. Shadegg spoke for about 20 minutes and took questions during the rest of the meeting which started at 7pm and ended after 9:30 pm. He was speaking about rebuilding the Republican Party.

    Shadegg talked about a wide range of issues that include encouraging other members of Congress not to interact with CAIR (the Council on American Islamic Relations) which he distributed handouts about, challenges of keeping up with all of the bills going through Congress, lack of commitment by many Republicans in Congress to freedom and free market principles, the Republican Party, and the role Republicans in Congress can most effectively play while in the minority.

    According to Shadegg, the problems Republicans have is due to their failure to live up to what they promised with the Contract with America. He said that once Republicans took control of Congress, many were corrupted by their power as members of the majority. This led to excess government spending, increased use of earmarks, and more corruption. He said that the new Republican members of Congress elected in 1994 were enthusiastic in their support of liberty and free markets. Unfortunately, they were vastly outnumbered by other Republicans in Congress who had been in Congress previously. Many of those people did not have any strong ideological commitment to any political belief since, as members of the minority (Republicans were the minority for 40 years), they never had to seriously think of any principles relating to the proper role of government. However, as the representatives with the most seniority, they took many leadership positions. Many of those leaders started using their leadership positions much as the Democrats had. Shadegg said that the real election calling for change was in 2006 when Democrats were elected to majorities in Congress. Poor Republican performance running the Federal government made voters want a change. He said the Republicans in Congress failed to change. They elected the same leaders and pursued the same failed approaches. This contributed to the even greater losses in 2008 as Republicans had lost credibility as proponents of limited government.

    Rep. Shadegg did say, though, that there was hope for Republicans retaking Congress in 2010 ever since Obama was inaugurated as President. The transformation Obama wants to make to America will reduce freedom for all Americans, and Shadegg thinks that American voters, once they get a clear picture of what the Democrats want to do to their country, will reject that approach by voting Republican.

    In response to a question about getting involved in political organizations, Rep. Shadegg encouraged Conservatives to get involved in grassroots organizations such as the Republican Jewish Coalition, contact their elected officials, and talk to people about issues in order to present a Conservative view for others to consider. He said that getting involved in the Arizona State Republican Party or the Maricopa County Republican Party was a bad idea because they were being poorly led and were at the lowest level since Ev Mecham was governor of Arizona. He said that the Arizona and Maricopa County Republican leaders used the illegal immigration issue to create conflicts in the Republican Party. Instead, he said the Republican Party leaders should focus on having a big tent to welcome many people into the Republican Party. He gave as examples those who favored strict enforcement of illegal immigration laws and those favoring giving citizenship to illegal aliens as well as both pro-choice and pro-life Republicans. He said that he personally did not support giving illegal aliens citizenship as does Jeff Flake, but that he is definitely not supportive of people like Russell Pearce who want to arrest and deport illegal immigrants on a huge scale. He did not say what approach he does support, though.

    In response to a question, Shadegg backed off from his recommendation that people not get involved with the Republican Party. He apologized for that and said that people should get involved in order to remove the current Arizona and Maricopa County Party Chairmen. It should be noted that his District Chief of Staff, Lisa James, was also present. Lisa James has twice run for State Party Chairman with Rep. Shadegg’s backing and lost both times to the recently re-elected chairman Randy Pullen.

    In response to other questions, Rep. Shadegg said that the country would be better off if all incumbent Congressmen were defeated for re-election. He said there are too many people who are too deeply entrenched in Congressional politics who are incapable of working for the public good. In particular, he said that many Republicans in Congress are not committed to personal freedom and did not understand what free markets are much less actually believe they should be allowed to exist.

    It was an extraordinarily candid session and those who attended commented that they were better informed about what Congress is doing and what Rep. Shadegg thinks about it.

    Copyright 2009 GOPUSA News. All rights reserved.

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

  • missyjanie

    Jeff Flake makes conservative noises, and then comes out for “comprehensive immigration reform”. NOT.
    He is also weak when it comes to foreign affairs.
    He and John McCain are very similar, and that doesn’t bode well for any of us. RINO.
    May I offer a true conservative alternative? John Kavanaugh.