Yesterday in the Politico, Jonathan Martin gave a conservatives in the mist take on the 2012 “theme” from the GOP — America ‘in decline’.
I think the take is exactly opposite how he characterized it — though it is all semantics. It is not ‘America in decline’, but ‘America the Great’ that is the theme.
At a time when Barack Obama is intent on taking over the economy one-fifth at a time and leftists are turning the more-likely-than-not traitor Bradley Manning into a hero, it is more and more clear that the San Francisco left that Jeanne Kirkpatrick warned us about 25 years ago has finally gotten to have their way with America.
The theme is not about our nation in decline, but about letting a group of people run the nation who want us to decline.
It is easy to get hung up on the doom and gloom of the 2012 Republican candidates. They are a gloomy bunch. Sure they are trying to sound optimistic, but I’ve heard most all of them speak. With few exceptions, they have the oratory skills of a gaggle of warbling albatrosses and some, worse, sound like warbling albatrosses being violated by lepers.
I still haven’t found what I’m looking for. And I may not. It’s precisely why I wanted Mike Pence to run for President.
Huh? Well . . .There are differences in how people run for office. It seems that most of those running for the GOP nomination in 2012 are going through the motions. They have to talk about X in the G-major key to get group Y’s support.
They think they have to hit on certain issues over and over. Hilariously, I recently attended an off the record meeting with several of the candidates invited to speak. Not one hit on any of the themes the attendees at the meeting much cared about.
What these candidates need to do is not focus on the doom and gloom, which while they say they are not they really are. They instead need to focus on the greatness of America. And when they do, they could at least sound like they believe it and aren’t just saying it to get my vote.
I was listening to one of these guys prattle on and on about education a few weeks ago to a group that would prefer less federal education spending. It transitioned into more about America the beautiful, etc., etc., etc. I was left with the distinct impression this guy really wanted to talk about anything but American greatness, but felt like he had to go through the motions.
That’s why I like Mike Pence and why I wanted him to run. When he speaks on these issues, you know he means it. You know he wakes up and Russell Kirk is firing on all cylinders in his mind. You know he is not just going through the motions.
With Mike Pence out of the running, I think, in all seriousness, the guy who does it the best is Mike Huckabee. I’m not a Huckabee guy, but he resonates. He exudes compassion and love for country in a way the other guys do not.
I have not found what I’m looking for. I want a candidate who expresses the optimism of America — the shining city on the hill — and actually comes across as believing it, not just catering to me. I want Mike Pence or Mike Huckabee’s oratory skills and conviction in what they say with Mike Pence and Jim DeMint’s actual conservative convictions.
I want somebody who may not even exist. That’s kind of depressing. Right now, I’m about right here. And Iowa draws closer and closer.
Jeff Emanuel
Neil Stevens
I agree....
jiminga Wednesday, March 16th at 7:31AM EDT (link)the clear winner with the clear vision has not yet come forward. I voted for Huckabee in the last primary as the lesser of two evils and he has become even more squishy since then. But I remain hopeful….
Pence would have been great Erick
red_oakster (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:45AM EDT (link)But that option is gone.
I keep coming back to vision and courage and being right on the issues. You would think that combination would be easy to find. Unfortunately that combination is so rare.
Of course most of us will support whoever is nominated to oppose Obama. , But I guess I want courage first, then vision, then being right on as many issues as possible.
And when I use courage as the first qualification, out goes the flexible Romney, and the “trucer” Daniels, and the class-baiting Pawlenty and Huckabee and the defense-cutting and pro-Ground Zero mosque Barbour and the deeply narcisistic Gingrich.
So what I end up with is this odd and very different collection of possible candidates who have steel in their spines: Sarah Palin, John Bolton, and Rudy Giuliani. Each has serious weaknesses; I acknowledge that. But every one of the three would make common cause with a conservative Congress in rolling back government. And every one would stand up for America and for her ideals and interests. And every one would engage and fight back against the forces of leftist political correctness.
In a field without Pence, I prefer courage first because we’ll advance the most with someone who is unafraid to fight.
Agree on Palin and Giuliani.
writeblock Wednesday, March 16th at 2:27PM EDT (link)I don’t get backing someone without serious executive experience–people like Pence. Leadership requires far more than ideological credentials. Personality counts. Can Pence get things done? I doubt it. He’s never run anything. And he’s something of a gloomy Gus personality-wise. Ditto for DeMint. Both seem okay on the issues but short on charisma. As for Huckabee–we already know he’d be a train wreck. Putting him on any list–along with Newt–insults our intelligence.
Holy Boldness
della Wednesday, March 16th at 6:35PM EDT (link)If you want courage, nobody tops Palin. She has holy boldness. She experienced what wimping out did to McCain and she won’t go there when she’s in charge of the campaign.
As for Giuliani, he had courage after 9-11 because the whole country and much of the world was praying. It was God answering a country on its knees in prayer that gifted him with leadership then. That is what we really need to have wise, capable and successful leaders. Now, moral conservatives won’t back Guiliani because of his support of homosexuality as well as his poor choices in his personal life. He has shown he is not a man to be trusted.
Let’s fill the churches back up and start keeping those commandments again. Then we’ll get the leaders we want. We can’t ignore God and succeed. It’s time we all realized we need to tell God we’re sorry and shape up!
I like Mike ... Huckabee, that is!
perick Wednesday, March 16th at 11:42PM EDT (link)Over the last two years we have seen one disastrous spending program after another that was supposed to “fix” our economy. Most of the time, there was one voice speaking against them … that of Mike Huckabee.
Governor Huckabee demonstrated how to deal with a government in trouble. He turned the Arkansas state budget around … from a 200 million deficit to an almost 8 million surplus. And he did it in a way that made sense … by eliminating redundant state boards and other cost cutting measures.
But mot than that, Governor Huckabee understands us. Wouldn’t that be a change? To have a president who had a clue as to how most of us live and the things that matter to us? I like Mike and will support him again should he decide to run. He’s our best hope.
Finding George Washington
saxman7 Wednesday, March 16th at 7:47AM EDT (link)I wrote a blog calling for people to find the new George Washington. In that blog I sited the reason why we most likely won’t. In these times everyone wants to be the boss. Everyone thinks they are better qualified than the next guy. You see it in the patriot movement, you see it in the militia movement, and you see it in social groups. The biggest problem is that people now days do not know what it takes to be a great leader. Where we once had things like honor, integrity, and wisdom; we now have compromise, fund raising, and catch phrases. It’s gotten worse because now you need to either be wealthy before you are lifted up to run for office or you need to have a bunch of wealthy backers (all of whom will want a say in policy). Now days a person of honor who is honest and wise is kept down, kept back; everyone being afraid of being thought of as lesser. Jesus said, “Before there is peace on earth the heart of man must change”. We need to promote what is good and true in this world so that we can once again be the hope of the world.
DJ Fisher
You are right, he may not exist.
WmCraig (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 7:51AM EDT (link)Will she run?
Riiight
buddha1556 Wednesday, March 16th at 8:02AM EDT (link)Because I’m sure Eric just forgot about Sarah Palin when laying out his thoughts. She has pros AND cons, just like every other potential candidate.
What about ...
cam1 Wednesday, March 16th at 8:50AM EDT (link)Sarah Palin? She is a true conservative. I don’t understand the visceral and viral dislike that conservatives have caught from the msm and the Republican establishment. She is a Conservative with a capital “C” and a fearless LEADER.
Sure she is
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:06AM EDT (link)and her past record shows it doesn’t it.
Get real bub!
PS. No matter how much you want to deny reality, two things will remain true. Her farts stink like the rest and she is not going to marry you. When you come to understand that, you will stop posting nonsense like the above.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate
Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:29AM EDT (link)This is exactly the kind of comment here that has NEGATIVE value.
You’re flaming another commenter for posting nonsense, when you’re not contributing any content yourself.
If you want to talk facts about Palin’s record, pro or con, do it, but this kind of pointless crap does nothing but take up space on people’s screens, crowding out other things that might have value.
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
Thanks for the lecture
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:32AM EDT (link)and when Palin worshipers are willing to do a few things such as be honest about her problems, admit she is not perfection personified, and actually have a reasonable discussion, I will worry about contributing more facts about her.
We have been through this before and this guy has shows through his postings he is deserving of nothing more than flaming.
Now, do you have anything else to add or are you just on your sermon tour today?
Your flames won't even boil water.
Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:51AM EDT (link)So who appointed you the policeman that has authority over anything said about Palin? For all your talk about ‘reasonable discussion’s, you seem constitutionally unable to do so.
The only thing of intelligence I’ve seen in anything you’ve posted lately has been the first two sentences in your overly-long signature quote.
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
Here, Let me offer
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:54AM EDT (link)you tissue since it seems somewhere along the way your feelings were hurt. I really hate to see a grown person whimper, So I will take it easier on you so you can stop the tears.
But keep trying, you will get clever one of these days, but not today.
PS See for your policeman comment to have any merit, I would have to be acting as if I can stifle the Palin speech. See confronting nonsense and stopping nonsense are two very different things. Learn the difference and then try again.
Got an awfully high opinion of yourself, don't you?
Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 11:04AM EDT (link)Sorry, boy, but I’ve been trading flames on the Internet since before you were in diapers. I see harsher opinions than yours every day in rush hour traffic. The only emotions you bring out in me are boredom and amusement.
But don’t worry, someday you’ll be a Real Live Boy and people will pay attention to you then. At least, that’s what you keep telling yourself– whatever it takes to hide that emptiness in your soul that you cover by attacking others.
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
I think you just lost. nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 11:07AM EDT (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
Follow @Aaron_RS
And with that, I'm out. (n/t)
Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 11:07AM EDT (link)..
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
And lets not put Rand in the same boat as Ron
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:43AM EDT (link)the two do not compare as Ron is a useless nut job and Rand to this point has shown he is one apple that fell far away from the nut tree.
Thank You
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:48AM EDT (link)Laup Nor is currently asking if Barack Obama is seriously considering a nuclear strike vs. Libya. Type “Ron Paul, Libya, nuclear strikes” into Yahoo.com, and you’ll be sowwy.
Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
Finrod
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 11:00AM EDT (link)According to the rules, if you think someone’s breaking the rules, take it to the moderators and/or proprietors. Don’t take it upon yourself to moderate the site, please.
Thank you,
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Understood.
Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 11:18AM EDT (link)There are some days part of me would like to be a moderator here, but most days when I’m more sane I can’t see how you and Moe and the other moderators keep from losing SAN points on a regular basis.
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
It's easy
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 11:21AM EDT (link)We do the banning, and let Erick tell us when it’s smart to reinstate.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Wouldn't you love to see Herman Cain on networks other than Fox News? -nt
bk (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 8:59AM EDT (link)10% stupid voters will decide the election IMO
jeffex11 Wednesday, March 16th at 9:10AM EDT (link)45% on either side has already decided who they will vote for. On the conservative side they don’t even have a candidate yet but they know they will vote AGAINST Obama.
That leaves 10% of what I call the “John Kerry voter” You’ll recall him describing voters that only listen to 30 second sound bytes and slogans….I think he just described his own voters so ..hence the name…..”John Kerry voters”
The least common denominator of the electorate. Uninformed, misinformed, and easily swayed . The represent what I call the WWF pre-match smack down talk crowd. Just before these people pull the voting lever they make up their minds on who got the best verbal jabs in. facts do not play in their minds.
It is THIS voter that believe will sadly decide the 2012 election. We need a candidate that can play that game…….The John Kerry voter listens to SNL and Stewart and Maher . We need a candidate that can marshal a plan to win 51% of the 10% stupid vote.
History has show us that back in 2008 John McCain didn’t want to bee seen as a RACIST and attack Obama personally for his socialist connections and his past. McCain tried to win on policy difference.
That went right over the heads of the John Kerry voter. Sarah Palin wanted to take up that role but McCain pulled her reigns in. She has proven herself and is still standing after the left went all in against her. They even succeeded in convincing some conservatives she couldn’t win and is stupid…….
I contend that the ONLY person who’s name even is on the radar screen who can win the10% smack down vote IS Palin!
We all know her and what she represents. We know her stance and her credential as a conservative. We know how much the left says…” oh please run her” and the stupid GOP once again is afraid to call that bluff.
Because that is exactly what the left is doing…bluffing…. the reason they attack her so is because they know she is the greatest threat to their socialist /Marxist plans. They know she will be the last person standing in the smack down with Obama.
They know she will wrap that teleprompter around his neck. No guts not glory conservatives…..I’m going all in with Palin….but WE will have to call her back……just think about it.
If you can agree with me that the election will be decided by the stupid 10% then ask yourself …who can win that vote!!!??
Except that the polls do not support your contention
Kyle-MI (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 9:43AM EDT (link)Palin is not winning the independents, the swing voters, or as you call them the Kerry voters. She plays good to the base, but there is no evidence her appeal is greater. If she wants to be a viable candidate then she has to broaden her support.
Correct, Kyle - the Stupid voters will not listen to her
YnotNOW (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 9:58AM EDT (link)Because they have heard the 15-second sound bites, and won’t listen to any more before they go back to American Idol. The sound-bite voter will not even give Sarah a chance, regardless of how well she counters the media stereotype.
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
Correct, Kyle - the Stupid voters will not listen to her
YnotNOW (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 9:58AM EDT (link)Because they have heard the 15-second sound bites, and won’t listen to any more before they go back to American Idol. The sound-bite voter will not even give Sarah a chance, regardless of how well she counters the media stereotype.
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
Polls Polls Polls...some people lead and others follow Polls
jeffex11 Wednesday, March 16th at 10:02AM EDT (link)Sure there is some risk with Palin. However , I believe that based on last November’s results that somehow people forget that my golden retriever could beat Obama. She would get 45% of the vote simply because she wouldn’t be trying to fundamentally transform this country!!!!
I want someone who can capture the 10% of stupid voters that Obama took in 2008 because McCain was afraid to be called a Racist and he coveted the praise of the liberal media.
SNL smackdown
jeffex11 Wednesday, March 16th at 10:06AM EDT (link)This is where the election will be won. Palin has her craft mastered. Obama needs a teleprompter. She will wrap that contraption around his neck.
The patina is off of Obama now . The first black President has sailed. Oh we know the left will try and rally the base to save the first Black President from white hate for sure…
We have seen how effective the RACIST crap is…..The Tea Party is alive and well and Novembers results showed it.
Sort of hard to trash
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:09AM EDT (link)another persons cheat sheet for speeches when she uses notes written on her hands.
When are you Palin worshipers going to stop with the nonsense. Like here fine, but at least be honest enough to admit she is not the female Jesus, she has faults plenty of faults, and her farts do stink.
Maybe then you will get a tiny bit of respect from those of us who live in real world.
Not looking for your respect
jeffex11 Wednesday, March 16th at 10:35AM EDT (link)It is not YOUR approval I seek. You have an opinion …so do I. If you feel it’s your role to diminish and marginalize ME and my opinion I would simply ask ..how it media matters these days . Do you have a signed copy of Rules for Radicals.
If you don’t like my position you can state your own and the rest will decide for themselves. I don’t think they need you to OUT me as the
“appear much more intelligent than they are”
or do they need your services in this effort
“just know someone cared enough for the rest of the people on the site to confront your nonsense.”
My opinion will stand regardless of your posts. Who made you the enforcer ? oh YOU made you the enforcer. citizens arrest …citizens arrest Gomer!
Problem is
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:37AM EDT (link)you have no position. Hard to have a position versus position when you post nonsense.
Does that clarify everything for you?
......
jeffex11 Wednesday, March 16th at 10:46AM EDT (link)crystal clear…transparent even!
What, those polls of 'Adults' the MSM likes to throw around?
Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:35AM EDT (link)Those aren’t polls, they’re propaganda. If they throw a poll out there (always of Adults, which average at least 10 points left of center) that doesn’t get what they want, they bury it and try again. Often they won’t weight their polling so you end up with a survey of 55 percent Democrats, 30 percent independents and 15 percent Republicans (I exaggerate, but not by much) that proclaims how out of touch Sarah Palin or whichever Republican they want to trash this week is.
If you don’t have anything but polling to criticize Palin over, you’ve got nothing.
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
It doesn't matter how they stack the polls
Kyle-MI (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 11:20AM EDT (link)If she can’t win the independent part of the breakdown, then she can’t win the general election. She still has plenty of time before the primaries start, but she needs to work on her appeal to independents.
Sorry...
ruexperienced Wednesday, March 16th at 10:10AM EDT (link)to burst your bubble, but Sarah Palin cannot win the independent voters in the middle.
Those voters are those who approve of First Lady Michelle Obama, vote independently for people like Lisa Murkowski and who support Democrats like Gabrielle Giffords.
It seems Sarah Palin’s personal mission has been to repel people like them.
Vote for Sarah Palin because she can win the stupid vote
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, March 17th at 1:18AM EDT (link)Wow, you really can’t parody a cultist anymore.
On the plus side, I hear that The Onion is hiring…
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
sigh......nt
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 9:11AM EDT (link)This is what I'm looking for ...
acat (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 9:13AM EDT (link)The GOP winner is the one who understands and can warble out this simple message…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU-IBF8nwSY
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Another George Washington?
Wayne (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 9:22AM EDT (link)As we watch in horror at world events from Japan and Libya (the commercial media’s focus presently), what conservative thinker will come forward to lead our troubled nation seems strangely irrelevant to me this morning.
Reading through the comments I was surprised at the statement that we need another George Washington to come forward and provide the kind of leadership this country needs at this time.
After reading Joseph Ellis’s “His Excellency George Washington”, I truly believe that I know the mindset of the first president of American. The reason that the comment “surprised” me was that in my view, he was the right person at the right time in the right place. In my self imposed mission to understand the uniqueness of America in human history, there is a preponderance of antidotal evidence that would suggest a greater power at work behind the events of man.
Without going into a long diatribe on religion and spiritualism, it is simply enough to say that I am not a “religious” person. But if I were, the evidence that God exists, lies in that ethereal netherland of thought along the lines of “what are the chances”?
Truer statements have not been posted here than to say that we need someone “special”. In my humble opinion, events shape people, people do not shape events. Gauging “political” cache in modern society seems to be how we determine a likely candidate. Nothing has changed since Washington’s time except a small but significant point. George Washington did not want to be President. It was forced on him by events and there is no candidate that I know of today that can or will fit that mold. It’s quite possible that though more people in our country could be considered “educated” than at any other time in human history. I would offer that we are a country of “educated idiots, far too preoccupied with sensationalism, than substance.
Consequently, we will need an “event” to bring another “George Washington” to the forefront. What will that event be and has it happened already? Is the question. There are many George Washington’s in our society today, but the event that will bring him forward has not happened yet.
My two cents…(Sorry, but I’m late for work and don’t have time to go back over and edit my thoughts)…
Wayne
“To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” – Thomas Jefferson -
It is wrong to put all hopes in a leader
YnotNOW (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:05AM EDT (link)Sure, a George Washington who is the right man (or woman) for the right time, would be great. And a leader is important in bringing together a constituency and coalescing what they already believe into a coherent theme that can be acted upon. But to expect a “leader” to “save” us is looking for hope in the wrong place. Situations develop because of culture, history, and random (?) circumstances (insert here the intervention of God). And in our representational republic, that means that the situation is set up by the people.
So look for a leader, but don’t put all your hopes in any man (or woman).
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
It is wrong to put all hopes in a leader
YnotNOW (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:05AM EDT (link)Sure, a George Washington who is the right man (or woman) for the right time, would be great. And a leader is important in bringing together a constituency and coalescing what they already believe into a coherent theme that can be acted upon. But to expect a “leader” to “save” us is looking for hope in the wrong place. Situations develop because of culture, history, and random (?) circumstances (insert here the intervention of God). And in our representational republic, that means that the situation is set up by the people.
So look for a leader, but don’t put all your hopes in any man (or woman).
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
correct
jeffex11 Wednesday, March 16th at 10:19AM EDT (link)The message of 8/28 was for US to restore our own honor. In order for our leaders to have characteristics like integrity , honor , and virtue we needed it to be restored in ourselves.
The thing I love the most about the Tea Party movement is that there is no need for leadership. WE are our own leaders. We know our own minds and we don’t need a single voice to represent us.
There are many voices. The left doesn’t know how to deal with that aspect so they throw a blanket of RACISM at us. Well, that has failed.
It is Us individually that will save this country . Setting aside our petty differences to capture the prize and turn this country around.
I remember what I read at the end of Glenn Beck book common sense ….something that described me so well…
Paraphrasing here….I don’t want my family to know that I sat back and let this country be destroyed by progressives and I did nothing to stop it. I didn’t want my son to ask me what was it that i was doing that was Sooo important that I left this country in the shape it is in. And the debt was passed on to HIM……
The George Washington factor
jeffex11 Wednesday, March 16th at 9:23AM EDT (link)Glenn Beck at the 8/28 rally said he was looking for a new George Washington. I think we can all agree on that……
So people are picturing someone that looks like him. Someone of his integrity and stature. Someone that is just like him.
Where I think people go wrong is that the physical size and stature of George Washington commanded an unspoken respect…for a man>
In the case of a woman I believe physical stature is quite different. My observation of Sarah Palin is that she captures the female version of George Washington. With her own style of female presence…Beauty , strength, honor , honesty, faith….all these things are what make her the next version of what this country needs.
Ole’ George never gave up when the continental army was on it’s last leg. He inspired his men and never quit. I think that describes Sarah Palin to a tee….
But alas, the GOP is looking for something they don’t even know is right in front of them…..they may continue to remain the stupid party …sadly!
cam1
gunslingr45 Wednesday, March 16th at 9:46AM EDT (link)well said. They are taking the low road with the left against Palin. She IS a fearless leader who loves America. So why did you leave her out Erick?
Fearless leader????
ruexperienced Wednesday, March 16th at 10:52AM EDT (link)Please describe all of the demographic groups that Sarah Palin is successful in “leading.”
Moderate Democrats like Gabrielle Giffords?
Independents who approve of Michelle Obama?
RINOs who support Lisa Murkowski?
Those with an education who respect Charles Krauthammer?
The Blue Bloods who respect Barbara Bush?
The “Knuckle Dragging” wing of the Republican Party that respects people like Rick Santorum?
The TEA Party leadership, which suggested that Sarah Palin should take Michael Steele’s job at the RNC instead of running for president?
Please tell us more.
Fear Factor
jeffex11 Wednesday, March 16th at 9:56AM EDT (link)We have seen the establishment RIGHT go after Palin because she does not have THEIR kind of pedigree. She is not in the club .
This country was formed by the mutts that left Europe and wanted to create a new word. America wasn’t created by elites and nobles that arrive on these shores. It was mutts that left their homelands and risked a chance at a new life in America.
Legal immigrants that adopted and blended in to the great melting pot. It was mutts that won the war against the Nazi’s and the Japs!!!
The came home and spawned the greatest generation. So I ask why do people now want to forget that it is mutts like me and Sarah Palin that will make this country great again. Why do the GOP supporters need some elite noble to lead them?
George Washington was a mutt too…….
Cowards wanted to go to England and appease the King. Meanwhile he had already dispatched his fleet to squelch the revolution…. We need a leader who can stand up the the left and the liberal media….a proven survivor of those wars….only one name comes to mind for me….Sarah Palin IS the female George Washington .
And she is
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:12AM EDT (link)Jesus,
God,
all powerful,
example of perfection,
rose buds emit from her rear instead of farts,
walks on water,
speaks and world hunger ends,
blinks and makes wishes come true,
Get real!
And more than half the reason people who are capable of a cognitive thought process
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:26AM EDT (link)are sick of Palin is her “supporters” like you.
You people make Ron Paul’s acolytes seem like reasonable, rational people.
RonPaulRonPaulRonPaul.
Like a moth to the flame
Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:40AM EDT (link)mbecker908 can only stay away from Palin threads for so long.
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
Seems you are floating above the same flame nt
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:41AM EDT (link)And you're the ash in the dead candle next to it.
Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:45AM EDT (link)Have you ever said anything of any value here? All I see from you is bile and flames.
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
Nice try
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:47AM EDT (link)at the clever attempt, but keep trying, you may get it one of these days.
Libertarian
jeffex11 Wednesday, March 16th at 10:41AM EDT (link)I would vote for Ron Paul in a heartbeat….but he can’t win IMO. Hell he can’t even get a microphone at a debate.
He is exactly what this country needs. However, his Castor oil medicine may just be too harsh for people.
I hope he does run . I am a registered Libertarian . Ron and Rand are just what we need . but first we have to beat Obama.
This explains so much, lets see if Finrod rushes in to defend now nt
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:42AM EDT (link)Go to hell, 'powertothepeople'. (n/t)
Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:46AM EDT (link).
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
Such control
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:48AM EDT (link)You “hurt’ my feelings with your lack of control and “hurtful’ words.
Would it help if I acted as if that cut me deep?
Bored now.
Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:56AM EDT (link)Don’t you have a busy street to go play in?
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
Another
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:59AM EDT (link)non clever line. You are supposed to be getting better, not worse.
Do not give up now………..
Figures.
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 11:01AM EDT (link)It doesn’t take long for completely irrational idiocy to come to forefront. In your cases it was just a couple of comments.
Sheesh.
Never go full retard, dude
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, March 17th at 1:22AM EDT (link)“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Cutting through the noise....
LibertarianHawk (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 9:58AM EDT (link)I think George Will was right when he said that the GOP vetting is actually further along the way than many think. I also think that his list of 5 possible candidates was correct.
They are:
1) Haley Barbour
2) Mitt Romney
3) Mitch Daniels
4) Jon Huntsman
5) Tim Pawlenty
Of these, the closest thing we have to a frontrunner at present is Mitt Romney — though his vulnerabilities are obvious. Actually, all of these candidates’ weaknesses and vulnerabilities are obvious.
But I don’t see anybody else having a plausible shot. So I don’t see much point in discussing implausible candidates (Palin, Huckabee, Bachmann, Cain, Paul, Trump, Gingrich, Johnson, Bolton) let alone people who are adamant that they aren’t running (Christie, Ryan).
My favorite among the plausible contenders is Mitch Daniels. I think he’s been a phenomenal governor and is among the most able and competent politicians I’ve observed in my life.
But I’m still skeptical that he’s even going to run.
If he doesn’t, then my attention shifts to Pawlenty and Huntsman, in that order. I can’t support Romney with his healthcare thing, not to mention the fact that he seems philosophically shifty. And while I genuinely like and respect Gov. Barbour, I just don’t think he’s of presidential timber.
I want Palin or Bachmann.
artist4freedom Wednesday, March 16th at 10:03AM EDT (link)These women are tougher than all of the male candidates COMBINED. They have a clear understanding of our founding documents and aren’t afraid to defend them. They believe that government is the problem – not the solution.
Does Mitt Romneycare believe these things? What about Huckabee? I’m not impressed by these guys at all.
Ok
jeffex11 Wednesday, March 16th at 10:09AM EDT (link)Palin / Bachmann or Bachmann/ Palin is OK by me….
Bachmann's not even worth discussing.
LibertarianHawk (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:22AM EDT (link)And that’s not a slam at her — it’s just the reality of the matter.
Palin, on the other hand, is worth discussing. I’m still of the mind that she’ll choose not to run…and the recent activities between Fox and Gingrich (and Santorum?) bolster that sentiment. Why would they suspend their contract with Gingrich (who is running) but not Palin?
The clock’s a-ticking.
While much of the treatment of Palin — by Democrats, by the media, and by many establishment Republicans — has been disrespectful, at best, I ultimately agree with Erick that she’s just too “radioactive”. That may or may not be her fault. But whose fault it is ultimately doesn’t really matter.
I don’t know how much credence you put in the big online “Tea Party” straw poll, but I think it’s telling that Palin even failed to overcome Tim Pawlenty in terms of support. For her to have a chance, she’d have to absolutely own that constituency while doing reasonably well among more traditional Republicans.
I really think we’re down to the 5 candidates I mentioned above: Romney, Barbour, Daniels, Pawlenty, and Huntsman.
If straw polls ever meant anything
Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:41AM EDT (link)Ron Paul would walk away with the nomination.
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
True. But...
LibertarianHawk (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:59AM EDT (link)…I’m not really referring to this in the normal sense.
All this straw poll (aimed at Tea Partiers) asked was: would you be willing to vote for this candidate? It really didn’t pit candidates against each other, or force anybody to pick just one.
The winner was Paul Ryan. Christie was 2nd. DeMint was third.
The interesting thing to take away was that Palin — who one would think would fare quite well in such a contest — placed 9th.
And one of the candidates she lost to was Gov. Pawlenty.
Because I think the GOP candidate *must* be able to appeal simultaneously to both the Tea Party dissidents and the GOP establishment, I think this was a downer for Palin and a boost for Pawlenty.
The rest of the top 10 choices in the poll don’t matter: because either they aren’t running (Christie, Ryan, DeMint, West, Jindal, Perry) or they don’t have a prayer (Bachmann, Gingrich).
Bachmann could win Iowa
chihank Wednesday, March 16th at 12:03PM EDT (link)if Palin and Huck don’t run. If Palin doesn’t run, then all of her previous support will go to Bachmann. Interesting tidbit, some of SarahPAC’s staff left and are applying for jobs with Michelle Bachmann.
Color me skeptical.
LibertarianHawk (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 12:15PM EDT (link)Of course, Huckabee won Iowa in 2008….and I don’t think he ever had a realistic shot at winning the nomination, either.
I’ve never quite been able to figure out the Iowa Caucuses, it’s a bizarre political spectacle — and often seems to produce strange results. So, perhaps you’re right.
But, still, at the end of the day I’d be willing to bet a considerable sum of money that the GOP nominee will be one of the 5 George Will mentioned (assuming, anyway, they all run and no surprise names throw their name in).
And I think I have a generally better impression of those 5, overall, than the consensus here. I see at least two or three really good candidates in there.
what about this guy?
sharp Wednesday, March 16th at 10:05AM EDT (link)Ken Cuccinelli, II
Attorney General of Virginia
I could dig that.
uselogic Wednesday, March 16th at 12:58PM EDT (link)But..
1) Low name recognition,
2) Would he even consider running?
I could dig that.
uselogic Wednesday, March 16th at 12:58PM EDT (link)But..
1) Low name recognition,
2) Would he even consider running?
So
redtillimdead (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 5:17PM EDT (link)We say that Obama is too inexperienced to be President because he only served in the US Senate for 4 years, but 3 yrs of being Attorney General is qualification to be President?
Nancy Pelosi can kiss my asstroturf.
Grasping at straws.
LibertarianHawk (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 5:23PM EDT (link)Nothing against Mr. Cuccinelli or any of the other names mentioned here.
But I still don’t see the point of musing about people who aren’t going to run and, even if they do, aren’t going to win.
I guess that’s pretty normal for this period in an election cycle. But, at some point, we’re going to need to start having serious discussions about the candidates we actually do have to choose from.
I'm waiting for others
CarolT (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:41AM EDT (link)I am not happy with this bunch, it almsot assures Obama will win. We need a strong conservative to run, I hope JIm DeMint or Paul Ryan runs.
We cannot afford to let our country to be looked upon as it has been under Obama, he is stilll voting present, especially on Libya the past few weeks. France is now the new leader of the free world? I’ts a sad state of affais when Obama can’t decide to if he should do anything on Libya, I get the impression that he does not want to do anything about it. Let France lead and we’ll sit it out?
Rasmussen shows Obama's approval in the low 40s now...
conservativemusician Wednesday, March 16th at 1:08PM EDT (link)So I’m not convinced that he will win just yet, even with our present lackluster field. It is still way to early to phone it in yet, so let’s be patient and see what happens in the next few months.
I'm not so convinced...
LibertarianHawk (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 5:32PM EDT (link)…we have a lackluster field — let alone that Obama will win (or lose).
I know this much: if the election were held today, he’d have an uphill fight on his hands. He still has plenty of time to turn that around, but as it stands some 65% of Americans think the country is on the wrong track…and presidents don’t get reelected with numbers like that.
As for our field, I guess I’m a bit more enthused by it than many of my fellow conservatives. I think we’ve got several really interesting prospects.
I want to hear more from Gov. Huntsman — but I know Sen. Lee thinks highly of him, and that means a lot to me.
I read a glowing review of Gov. Pawlenty’s 2 terms in Minnesota from the Cato Institute. And that, also, means a lot to me — they’re not often too effusive about elected politicians.
And I’ve come to think very highly of Gov. Daniels watching him these past 6+ years. I think he’s one of the most capable and competent public officials to ever come down the pike.
I also like Gov. Romney well enough — but I think ’08 was his year, if he was going to have one.
Cheer up…we’ll be fine.
I do think Obama is in more trouble than is being reported.
conservativemusician Thursday, March 17th at 11:35AM EDT (link)And maybe “lackluster” isn’t the right description of our candidates. It’s more that we don’t seem to have one person who has it all together on all the core conservative issues. Some are great on fiscal issues, some are not. Some are strong on social issues, some are not. Some are charismatic and engaging, and some are pretty bland – like Pawlenty. Personally, I’m looking more at the ideas and character of our candidates, although I know personality and charm is important to many. I’m hoping this time around that people (especially the independents) can look past the “charm offensive” Obama is surely to put up and focus on his dismal record instead.
Right now (although she is a long shot) I really like Bachman as she seems to be very conservative on the issues that are important to most conservatives and is standing strong on principle – much more so it seems than her male counterparts in the both houses. I also like Christie on fiscal issues, but he is bit to much of a RINO on many of the social issues. That’s too bad because I really I think if he were more mainstream on social issues, he’d be a shoo in next year to beat Obama. Rubio would also be great, but he’s not running as would Pence and DeMint, but they’re not running either.
Should be fun to watch how this all plays out. Whoever gets the nomination, they’ll certainly have my full support as we can’t afford another 4 years of Obama.
Huckabee is rising
chihank Wednesday, March 16th at 10:48AM EDT (link)Huckabee is becoming the most popular GOPer accroding to Gallup. Also his book, “A Simple Gvoernment” is #2 on the NYT best seller list. People are listening to Huck. Huck advisers are meeting with campaign consultants in Iowa and South Carolina. Plus HuckPAC is raising money. With polls showing Huck in a good position in both in the primary & general election, I think Huck jumps into the race. Church going Americans will rally to Huck’s side. Huckabee has the character and conservative principles to defeat Obama.
This is one church going American who will never rally to Huck's side
e_rowe (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 11:02AM EDT (link)He may have character. But if you think his principles are “conservative” you need a realignment.
Huck's fiscal conservative positions
chihank Wednesday, March 16th at 11:12AM EDT (link)Huck has taken fiscally conservative positions.
Huck supports:
a 20 year moritorium on earmarks.
Fair Tax
Huck opposes:
TARP
Car company bailouts
Everyone is a RINO
ruexperienced Wednesday, March 16th at 11:30AM EDT (link)Huckabee is a RINO by today’s standards. According to some, so is Santorum, Mitch Daniels, Thune, Gingrich, Pawlenty, Boener, Cantor, and everybody else.
I guess the moral of the story is that EVERY Republican with a voting record is a RINO….. which leaves Sarah Palin, who has only a two year voting history as governor.
I agree. It's maddening.
LibertarianHawk (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 12:01PM EDT (link)I appreciate that conservatives have been left at the altar by Republicans on way too many occasions. I appreciate that we’re tired of feeling like we’re ignored. And I also appreciate conservatives who display evidence of a spine.
But I think we can take a lesson from the Libertarian Party. It’s a party that is pretty pure in ideological terms. Yeah, they have their internecine debates. But utter heresies are rare, and apostates are ostracized.
They can (and do) pat themselves on the back for holding true to their principles, without wavering.
They’re also pretty much entirely irrelevant to the public policy process in any meaningful way.
There are such things as RINOs. And, actually, they’re rarer than they once were (they used to be known as “Rockefeller Republicans”). As people like Jeffords, Chafee, and Specter have left the party, the genuine RINO has become something of an endangered species.
But it’s hard to convince some people of that. They see RINOs everywhere they look.
None of those are relevant
e_rowe (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 11:39AM EDT (link)His entire record as governor was extremely fiscally liberal. His platform when he ran in 2008 included by far the most spending increases of any Republican. His support for the Fair Tax is a gimmick. He knows full well that the repeal of the 16th Amendment that the Fair Tax requires wouldn’t pass, so he could just say he tried and then go on with his big spending ways. And if by some stroke of bad luck for him it actually did pass, one thing we know for sure, whether he gets his revenue from an income tax or a sales tax, taxes and spending overall would go up under his leadership. What we need most is not some shell game where the way the government robs us is shifted from one method to another, what we need is for it to tax less and spend less. Huckabee uses the Fair Tax as a diversion from that key point just to convince people like you that he’s a fiscal conservative.
And his opposition to TARP and the Auto bailouts goes against everything he ever stood for when he was in office and when he ran for president. Why did he oppose them? Not because of principles, but because he was trying to establish himself as a conservative talk show host at the time. I’m much more concerned about the record he accrued when he was actually in office and the policy positions he took when he was actually running than I an about what he says when his main concern is ratings.
5 nt
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, March 17th at 1:28AM EDT (link)“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Huckabee vs. Romney - Tax Burden
ddawg (Diary) Thursday, March 17th at 5:03AM EDT (link)Mike Huckabee is characterized as a fiscal liberal by many people, while Mitt Romney is seen as a fiscal conservative by many people. The data from their governorships suggest a re-evaluation of the record of both men.
Huckabee’s Arkansas outperformed Romney’s Massachusetts in state+local tax burden, when viewed in terms of yearly change over their respective full terms in office.
As a percent of income, their respective states saw a per year tax burden increase of:
Huckabee & Arkansas: 0.08%
Romney & Massachusetts: 0.15%
In terms of inflation-adjusted dollars (adjusting to the year 2005), their respective states saw a per year tax burden increase of:
Huckabee and Arkansas: $76.49
Romney and Massachusetts: $149.06
See the full analysis (with sources) here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/Huckabee-Romney-Comparison
This is important because tax burden goes to the heart of one’s fiscal record. Under conservative governance, government should make do with less in total dollars, and the tax burden should be minimal, and if not currently minimal, decreasing.
Both governors grew government. Romney grew Massachusetts’ government almost twice as fast as Huckabee grew Arkansas’.
When examining the bottom-line results of their governorships, Huckabee’s record is to the right of Romney’s record fiscally.
I can't disagree
e_rowe (Diary) Thursday, March 17th at 9:49AM EDT (link)I don’t know which is worse, Romney or Huckabee. They’re both fiscal liberals. If I had to choose between them, I suppose I’d probably choose Huckabee, only because I trust him more than Romney. But I certainly wouldn’t like it. And if that’s how low we have to set the bar, then we’ve already given up all hope of ever turning back the century-long tide of progressivism we’re now burdened with.
Never say never, but I'm another church goer
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Thursday, March 17th at 1:36AM EDT (link)who is not now nor ever has been a Huckabee fan, and I really don’t know anybody who is, including most of my church going friends.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
Jeffx11 has been paying attention
colonel85 (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 10:49AM EDT (link)To save space here; allow me to direct you to another conservative site where I have had posted several articles pertaining to the ladies who are definitely in contention. The site is patritpost.us or Patriot Post.com under ‘commentary’. Please read four articles entitled,
“Who Won On Nov 2″, “A Capable Majority”; “Genesis of Change” and “Solid Ticket” all posted in 2011.
Tom Davis
Dr. Thomas E. Davis, Colonel, USA (ret)
Great blog Erick
e_rowe (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 11:00AM EDT (link)I think the rhetorical key conservatives need to re-grasp is to distinguish between America and the federal government. One of the worst side-effects of democracy is the way it engenders the myth that the government = the people, which it never does. One result of this myth is that any time someone criticizes the federal government, they open themselves up to the charge of criticizing America. To these people, if you’re against the Obama stimulus, you’re unpatriotic, to be against Obamacare is to be un-American, to claim that the foreign interventions American politicians have burdened taxpayers with have also resulted in resentment and blowback is to “blame America.”
But when we regain that distinction between the government and the nation, and we make that distinction a part of our message, we’re no longer subject to those charges. Our answer becomes, “Don’t accuse me of blaming America when I’m blaming the government.” And if we’re consistent about that, it shows voters a consistent and coherent conservative philosophy that has been lacking in the GOP since the days of the Old Right.
The other payoff is that it allows us to tout American greatness, not despite our anti-big government tendencies, but precisely because of them. Our definition of American greatness is that it is inversely related to government largess. To make one increase is to make the other decrease. Like our founders, we want to make America greater by lightening the burden of the government that subjugates it. And like the Old Right, it is precisely our opposition to our gigantic federal government that warrants calling us “America Firsters.”
Ironically, that’s exactly why I would have had trouble supporting Pence for President. He’s great on a lot of things. But he’s no America-Firster.
Thank-you
flannery Wednesday, March 16th at 11:32AM EDT (link)This is the summation that I’ve been looking for. The government is not America and the government is not the people of America. Once that distinction is made and comprehended the rest of what we want in a President and government in general is easier to articulate.
Great Post
jeffex11 Wednesday, March 16th at 1:03PM EDT (link)It is the idea of America that is at stake. Obama has a new idea of what HIS America looks like. We need to define our version …..like in sports when the bring out old uniforms…..Throw back jerseys !!!!
I want throw back America……where God IS in our daily lives. Where self reliance is rewarded and not punished through taxation and regulation. Limited government. …all that jazz..
THROW BACK AMERICA!!!
A Little History for You Youngsters
colonel85 (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 11:04AM EDT (link)In 1920, Jackson Hole, Wyoming was home to numerous bad guys.
They had no respect for the law or the order the decent townspeople sought. Wyoming was the first State to grant univesal suffrage.Five courageous ladies ran doe the five elective offices on a platform of decency and throw the bums out. They were swept into office on this ‘Reform’ platform. The position of Town Marshall was not an elective office, but a resident of Jackson was home for the summer. At age 22, Pearl Williams, an excellent horsewoman and a deadon Crackshot with a pistol (either a .38 Cal or a .45 Colt Hogleg.) Her reputation was so well known in the “Hole” that in her three month tenure, she and the other ladies cleaned up Jackson Hole, Wyoming. How do I know this? Pearl was my Aunt and she lived to the ripe old age of 97. Women have talents they haven’t even used yet..
Dr. Thomas E. Davis, Colonel, USA (ret)
America is the Great Country
flannery Wednesday, March 16th at 11:26AM EDT (link)We all know that is true. America must reclaim her greatness. Our next President must believe this, express it emphatically and do everything possible to remove the false doctrines of collective responsibility and political correctness.
We don’t want talking points or tailored messages. We want passion and conviction. We don’t want micromanagement experience, we want a leader who can inspire people to manage themselves. We want a President of good intention and uplifting vision who is willing to do whatever is necessay to acknowledge America as the Great Country.
I wonder who Pence himself will support.
LibertarianHawk (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 12:03PM EDT (link)Actually, I really don’t.
I know who he won't support!
20jan2013 (Diary) Thursday, March 17th at 11:53AM EDT (link)Rhymes with “tree”
http://archive.redstate.com/stories/the_parties/republicans/mitt_romney_lies_about_abortion
This is not rocket science...
rowdydfw Wednesday, March 16th at 12:25PM EDT (link)We know who the candidates are out their fishing to see if they are going to run. So far we don’t have anybody that’s thrown their hats in the ring, except Pawlenty.
I have already spent the last two years examining who we might get to run in 2012. Their records are all on the table as plain as day.
I too like what Newt says, but he’s still touting that fake Clinton surplus and I wouldn’t trust him with the money. Romney? All you have to do is say to me is Romneycare. I have no trust in Daniels, Barbour, Pawlenty. I love Rudi, but there is also some trust issues. I’ve looked at Christi whom to me has some serious flaws.
In August of 2008, McCain couldn’t even get a yawn out of the electorate until August 29th…and in less than 3 weeks SHE was polling even with, then, 2%, and 3% above Obama. I’ve examined her record, I’ve watched her as well as all the other candidates. She’s done a couple of things I didn’t agree with, but I also have seen her as a terrific strategist. Plus, because of her record which is clear as a bell, I trust her! She was the ONLY politician willing to stand up to Obama and call a spade a spade by informing Americans that he sees America through the eyes of domestic terrorists like Bill Ayers, and other anti-Americans. The republican establishment almost went berserk when she was ready to go in for the Obama kill! And she would’ve done it! She also felled Obamacare with two words…death panels! And she feels the same call as Washington and Reagan. She had Obama beat in 2008 until they pulled out the nice financial crisis hoax the minute she started polling above Obama, and dumbarse McCain rushed back to Washington to support it.
I would love to see a Palin/West White House, with Jan Brewer in charge of Homeland Security, maybe Newt as Secretary of State, and the many others that also believe America is the shining city on the hill all advising and protecting her back! Even Ron Paul in a special chair keeping an eyeball on the Federal Reserve. (Someone surely needs to ride herd over the international consortium printing up fiat money out of thin air.) I would also like to see some drill baby drill!
I realize this could be a pipe dream…and then maybe it isn’t.
I highly trust Mike Pence and Jim DeMint who apparently don’t feel the calling to lead, but would make excellent members of the team. And then maybe they, like Palin, are eyeballing the best strategic moment to throw their hat in the ring! If they do, then my dream could shift. And then maybe they are having a thought that I’m having…would just another republican white guy be able to win it? Do they have what it takes to motivate the masses? I don’t know. They are men of action and few words! But they take a stance and they back it up.
There is another factor that enters this picture. Do we really know that Obama is going to be the commie’s candidate? I know Bill and Billery will never give up on a Clinton White House dynasty. I suspect there is nothing off the table should the democrats feel threatened in the next election. I do know that they are desperate right now. Obama is tanking big time and his appearance to the many is sociopathic and the inner circle keeps decamping.
So right now, unless things change, I know who I will support SHOULD she run. And until there is a bell tolling change, I’m not going to wring my hands in desperation. We all know that WHOEVER runs against this regime, we’re gong to vote for them because we’re not going to have a choice. It’s do or die time for the American dream.
I'm at the same place, Erick
lineholder (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 12:28PM EDT (link)I want someone who isn’t ashamed to stand up and say “I’m American and I want to be the next President”. I want someone who adamantly believes in this nation and her people. I want someone who will return us to the Rule of Law, even it means saying “politics be da**ed”.
That person hasn’t come to light yet, and time for the election is growing closer with each day that passes.
A few maps to ponder
jeffex11 Wednesday, March 16th at 12:58PM EDT (link)http://www.270towin.com/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/2010-race-maps/senate/?wpsrc=AG0000763&keyword=2010%20election%20map&cre=5034313150&g=1&s_kwcid=TC|10356|2010%20election%20map||S||5034313150
The numbers game of electoral votes ins the magic 270. The first link show red and blue states from the 2008 election . The second link show how things changed in 2010 and to the left there are tabs to see how the Tea Party effected the colors of red vs blue as well.
I would offer up that Fla, PA , Ohio, VA , and NC may be up for grabs by the GOP in 2012 . They total 95 electoral votes needed to put the conservatives across the 270 mark. That is if all other states can be held.
The November election was a referendum on Obama and his policies . All we really have to do IMO is all get on the same page and not over cook this simple recipe for success. Pick someone and lets get down to work defeating the progressives, communists, socialists, America haters , entitlement crowd , and the anti-colonialist in chief himself!!!
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jeffex11 Wednesday, March 16th at 1:10PM EDT (link)WV might go RED as well
Huh?
LibertarianHawk (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 2:44PM EDT (link)West Virginia has voted for the Republican presidential ticket in each of the last 3 races: 2000, 2004, and 2008. Prior to that, they were a pretty reliable Dem state (going for Clinton twice and even Michael Dukakis in 1988).
McCain won WV by 55-42 in 2008.
I am in no rush to pick someone yet
20jan2013 (Diary) Thursday, March 17th at 11:55AM EDT (link)The primary process is a beautiful thing. I learned that from watching how the 2010 process got rid of some RINOs and conservatism made great progress as a result. I know that my preferred candidate will be a better general election opponent against Obama for having gone through the process and solidified the support that is lacking among the faithful, represented in important part by the folks here at redstate.
http://archive.redstate.com/stories/the_parties/republicans/mitt_romney_lies_about_abortion
Have one suggestion but 2012 is too soon.
uselogic Wednesday, March 16th at 1:08PM EDT (link)On more than one occasion, I’ve heard Marco Rubio channel Reagan. And he does it with a conviction and sincerity I’ve yet to see from the current front-runners. He just has the knack. Check out some of his campaign and constituent update videos. He would mop the floor with BHO in any debate and the American people (SF lefties excluded) would be left with optimism.
I agree with you Erick….for 2012, I’m still looking.
Have one suggestion but 2012 is too soon.
uselogic Wednesday, March 16th at 1:08PM EDT (link)On more than one occasion, I’ve heard Marco Rubio channel Reagan. And he does it with a conviction and sincerity I’ve yet to see from the current front-runners. He just has the knack. Check out some of his campaign and constituent update videos. He would mop the floor with BHO in any debate and the American people (SF lefties excluded) would be left with optimism.
I agree with you Erick….for 2012, I’m still looking.
Rubio is the one for me. You beat me to it
thurman Wednesday, March 16th at 1:50PM EDT (link)His victory speech when he won in Nov gave me chills, I forwarded it to a dozen people who hadn’t heard of them and all were impressed.
His message is spot on as far as American excellence– he and his family have experienced it firsthand, like so many other first generation immigrants who still understand the American dream as well as anyone.
I am not in love with any of the candidates, but I hope whoever it is has the sense and vision to pick Rubio as their VP
He is ready for the national stage now, and he can be a game changer in so many ways– key swing state of FL, and appealing to the Latino base in a way that will make them realize conservatism is more in line with their values than the empty promises the Dems woo them with
Rubio for VP. That’s about all I can get excited about at the moment…
I doubt it. And here's why...
LibertarianHawk (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 2:08PM EDT (link)…other than Jon Huntsman, all of the other 4 plausible candidates are almost exclusively associated with domestic policies. And that stands to reason: they all come from the ranks of governorships and governors don’t normally do much with foreign policy.
That’s why Bush picked Dick Cheney. It’s why Obama picked Joe Biden. It’s why Reagan picked George HW Bush.
So, if Huntsman gets the nod, then a pick like Rubio could make some sense. Huntsman, by way of his two years as Ambassador to China, brings the FP credentials with him.
The other 4 would probably need to pick somebody who brings them to the table — and Rubio, at this point, doesn’t.
Rubio is the one for me. You beat me to it
thurman Wednesday, March 16th at 1:50PM EDT (link)His victory speech when he won in Nov gave me chills, I forwarded it to a dozen people who hadn’t heard of them and all were impressed.
His message is spot on as far as American excellence– he and his family have experienced it firsthand, like so many other first generation immigrants who still understand the American dream as well as anyone.
I am not in love with any of the candidates, but I hope whoever it is has the sense and vision to pick Rubio as their VP
He is ready for the national stage now, and he can be a game changer in so many ways– key swing state of FL, and appealing to the Latino base in a way that will make them realize conservatism is more in line with their values than the empty promises the Dems woo them with
Rubio for VP. That’s about all I can get excited about at the moment…
Rather than 'looking'....
LibertarianHawk (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 2:16PM EDT (link)Why not find the best candidate among the ones who are (a) running, and (b) have a realistic chance to win the nomination?
I don’t understand why people expend energy “looking” for that mythical pot of gold at the end of the rainbow (used in honor of St. Patrick’s Day).
I could probably rattle off a list of dream candidates, too. But to what end? Most of them aren’t even running, let alone have any genuine chance to secure the nomination.
I understand — and, to some extent, agree with — the ho-hum attitude many conservatives have about our actual choices. It’s easy to find flaws, perhaps even ones some might consider fatal, among each of them.
But isn’t that how we ended up with John McCain as the nominee in 2008? Conservatives looked at Romney…and focused on things like his social policy flip-flops or his Mormonism. They listened to Huckabee and heard economic populism that could easily have come from a Dem.
My advice: focus less on the flaws and more on the merits. The task at hand here is to defeat Barack Obama with the most conservative *electable* candidate.
Searching for perfection is futile. I think we’ve got a pretty good crop of candidates with a genuine chance. Let’s focus on them.
What about Cain?
squeek71 Wednesday, March 16th at 2:24PM EDT (link)Cain is conservative across the board from everything I have seen. And RedState has been pretty supportive of him in the past. Why does no one seem to be taking his run seriously? He is out there busting his rear in Iowa, NH, etc. I think he is a good choice. I know the MSM has been ignoring him, but I don’t understand why the conservative media isn’t promoting him more.
I also really think we need to draft Allen West. He is my very favorite candidate. West is so darn smart, and he inspires people. I would trust him more than any of the others when it comes to national security and foreign policy… And he is fiscally conservative as well. There is a draft Allen West page on Facebook if anyone is interested.
Answer your own question.
LibertarianHawk (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 2:39PM EDT (link)First of all, there’s nothing at all wrong with Herman Cain — so far as his policy positions, temperament, etc. I’ve liked him since I first became aware of him during his run for the US Senate in Georgia.
But why do you think his candidacy isn’t being taken very seriously by the rainmakers?
No, it has nothing to do with race — if that’s what you’re wondering.
For better or worse, a presidential campaign absolutely must have establishment support as well as popular support. That means support from other officeholders, state party apparatchiks, donors and fundraisers, etc. And that kind of support is extremely unlikely for an “outsider” like Herman Cain.
It was even unlikely for Obama in 2008. While he did hold an elected office, he was a relative newcomer who had a fraction of the friendships and loyalties that Hillary Clinton had. If you read “Game Change”, you’ll find that theme throughout the book.
Since the early days of the country’s founding, we’ve elected precisely two presidents who had never held elected office prior to the presidency: Ulysses S. Grant and Dwight D. Eisenhower…celebrated wartime generals both.
I’m not even sure that could happen again today — though some were convinced in 1996 that Colin Powell could do it.
Maybe new media can overcome the old media ignoring him.
Ann_W (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 4:08PM EDT (link)If each of us that likes him hypes him to our friends and neighbors on Facebook, etc. He could have the fundraising base to become solid when he does well in the debates.
“The more the plans fail, the more the planners plan.” Ronald Reagan
Erik , I hope you'll become a Huckabee Guy!
garywalter Wednesday, March 16th at 2:51PM EDT (link)You are right about Huckabee’s oratorical skills and love of country. He is the one candidate who is truly inspirational. He is the one candidate who will thrash BHO in a debate. He has the experience and common sense conservative approach. I am absolutely sold and hope you will be too!
Yeah, he's perfect, except...
Ann_W (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 4:04PM EDT (link)the birther encouraging problem, the pardoning killers problem, the Mormon-hating problem, the overspending problem and the gifts problem. So except for those little details, he’s perfect!!
“The more the plans fail, the more the planners plan.” Ronald Reagan
The Huckster is no conservative
phlogiston (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 4:27PM EDT (link)Mike “Pardon me” Huckabee is no conservative. He reminds me more of garden variety televangelists than George Washington.
Remember, folks: friends don’t let friends call site moderators ‘crazy’ on this forum.
and don't forget, he's
mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, March 17th at 1:03AM EDT (link)a proven serial liar.
Mike Huckabee has the most experience and the right amount of optimism
texasconserv (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 3:56PM EDT (link)Mike Huckabee has the most governing experience out of any of the potential 2012 candidates. He was voted one of the five best governors in 2005. Huckabee served as governor for 10 1/2 years and left office only due to term limits. His approval rating was in the 60’s.
While Governor of the state of Arkansas, Huckabee:
- Doubled the child care tax credit in 1997.
- Eliminated the capital gains tax on the sale of a home.
- Indexed Arkansas’ state income tax to inflation, keeping people from being pushed into higher tax brackets.
- Cut taxes nearly 100 times in his state.
- Eliminated the state income tax for families below the poverty level.
- Left his state with almost $1 billion surplus, a state record.
- Cut welfare rolls by 50 %.
- Balanced the state budget of Arkansas every year he was governor in Arkansas.
- Led efforts to establish the Taxpayer’s Bill of Rights and a Property Taxpayer Bill of Rights for uniform notice and due process.
- Plus he made the interstate road system in Arkansas one of the best in the nation, where it had been among the worst, bringing in more trucking and trade. And the small tax the voters raised was repealed once the roads were complete.
-Carried out 16 executions in his time as governor of Arkansas which refutes his opponents’ claims that he’s soft on crime.
- Signed a ban on partial birth abortion.
- Worked to grant school administrators more flexibility in hiring and firing poor teachers.
- Moved Arkansas from grade “F” to a “C” in Charitable Choice compliance so Arkansas was only one of twelve states to pass.
All this was accomplished by Governor Huckabee while facing a legislature with 89 Democrats out of 100 legislators in the House and only four Republicans in the 35-seat Senate.
Since then, Mike Huckabee has done a great job talking about the fiscal/economic issues that our country is facing.
Positively Mike Huckabee
kansasredstate Wednesday, March 16th at 5:49PM EDT (link)Well said, texasconserv. It is hard to imagine that anyone who has actually met and shaken hands with Mike Huckabee would not like this kindly man. He is a wonderful, positive and well-spoken person who does not put on any airs of self-importance. He will treat the taxi cab driver with equal respect to the legislator or world leader he meets. Those who know him best love him most.
When I first heard of Huckabee in the last election cycle, I was at first put off by his name and some negative publicity by opponents who wanted to defeat him. But the more I read his books, the more I had to wonder where some people were coming up with such outrageous inaccuracies about him. He is a great American and a true conservative, socially and fiscally.
Huckabee has the good qualities that a Mike Pence or Jim DeMint have, but he has the additional experience of 10 plus years as Governor of Arkansas. Time magazine called him one of the top five governors in the United States at the time. This type of executive experience would help him be off and running if he became our next President.. He handled complex problems in his state and left it much better, including a surplus of over $800 million for his state. Wouldn’t we like a President who would do this?
Texasconserv has done what I like, recited the actual accomplishments of this man. His credentials are impeccable, as is his character. I think, Erick, you are going to like Huckabee more as you hear him more, and not just through the prism of the liberal media.
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PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 7:21PM EDT (link)and keep wishing that Huck was even half the leader or for that fact man that DeMint and Pence are.
And I guarantee that Erick is not going to like Huck anymore now than he did yesterday or will tomorrow.
PS Easy to add a surplus when you tax the hell out of your state.
I think you missed a few more telling "qualities" of Huck
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 7:18PM EDT (link)Kept most of Clinton’s Appointees as heads of departments.
(wonder of that is why this was said, “Fund went on to say that “Mr. Huckabee’s reluctance to surround himself with conservatives was evident as governor, when he kept many agency heads appointed by Bill Clinton.” )
Wanted to give free scholarships to illegals in his state.
Finds our policy on immigration and illegals to be “ungodly” and unbiblical.”
(“Daniel Larison at The American Conservative said, “Like his fellow presidential candidate [who recently dropped out of the race], Sen. Sam Brownback, Huckabee regards it as his Christian duty to help subvert and liberalize U.S. immigration laws. Together, they embrace the notion that fidelity to the Gospel requires privileging the interests of non-citizens over those of fellow citizens.” )
(“Huckabee has compared illegal aliens to slaves brought here in chains from Africa, saying, ‘I think, frankly, the Lord is giving us a second chance to do better than we did before.’
(“Toward that end, when an Arkansas legislator introduced a bill that would prevent illegal aliens from voting and receiving state benefits, Huckabee denounced the bill, saying it would rile up ‘those who are racist and bigots.’
“He also made the insane point that companies such as Toyota would not invest in Arkansas if the state didn’t allow non-citizens to vote, because it would ‘send the message that, essentially, “If you don’t look like us, talk like us and speak like us, we don’t want you.”)
Supported a smoking ban and gave evidence he supports other similar type government over reaching such as a salt ban.
Huckster claims 90 tax cuts but the reality is he left his office with a net tax increase on the average citizen and business of 505 million.
Huck hiked state spending over 63% in just 4 years 96-2000
He openly and fully supported 5 tax increases and refused to stop others.
CATO institute gave him an F in spending and an overall D for his tenure as Gov.
Until around 2007, refused to sign the No Tax Increase offered by Americans for Tax Reform which was signed by many other leaders.
I mean this is only a drop in the bucket and does not even raise other issues such as his vehement dislike of President bush and his veto of the democratic push to expand State Children’s Health Insurance Program or his claim that Global warming is “moral issue”, our “biblical duty to stop it,” and “government needs to do what is necessary to stop GW.” It also does not even delve into his full support for cap and trade or his tirade against the CATO institute and Club for Growth because they dared question his conservatism and gave him a bad grade.
Sorry, but if you are going to promote Huck at least be honest and share his extreme negatives as well. Trying to pass him off as a saint is not going to win many supporters.
But he's a devout Christian, and a kindly man!
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, March 17th at 1:37AM EDT (link)Oh, wait…
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Comparing Huckabee and Romney
ddawg (Diary) Thursday, March 17th at 5:12AM EDT (link)Mike Huckabee is characterized as a fiscal liberal by many people, while Mitt Romney is seen as a fiscal conservative by many people. The data from their governorships suggest a re-evaluation of the record of both men.
Huckabee’s Arkansas outperformed Romney’s Massachusetts in state+local tax burden, when viewed in terms of yearly change over their respective full terms in office.
As a percent of income, their respective states saw a per year tax burden increase of:
Huckabee & Arkansas: 0.08%
Romney & Massachusetts: 0.15%
In terms of inflation-adjusted dollars (adjusting to the year 2005), their respective states saw a per year tax burden increase of:
Huckabee and Arkansas: $76.49
Romney and Massachusetts: $149.06
See the full analysis (with sources) here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/Huckabee-Romney-Comparison
This is important because tax burden goes to the heart of one’s fiscal record. Under conservative governance, government should make do with less in total dollars, and the tax burden should be minimal, and if not currently minimal, decreasing.
Both governors grew government. Romney grew Massachusetts’ government almost twice as fast as Huckabee grew Arkansas’.
When examining the bottom-line results of their governorships, Huckabee’s record is to the right of Romney’s record fiscally.
Arkansas is also to the right of MA
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, March 17th at 6:46AM EDT (link)MA being a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Democratic party, it is no small mistake to compare the states in that fashion: while Huckabee had to work with a Dem Congress, it was a southern Dem Congress (and at the state level, that is different from a northern Dem Congress). Huckabee, compared to Bill Clinton (his immediate predecessor), was much worse when it came to increasing the size of government. Romney was a little better than his predecessor, but not enough to really earn him plaudits from me, and was more attributable to gridlock than firm action on Romney’s part. They’re both statists.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
So tell me...
rowdydfw Wednesday, March 16th at 8:54PM EDT (link)What the the democrats get for allowing Huckabuck to pad his resume? He didn’t put on that list how many times he raised taxes, some of which he claims were just ‘quality assurance fees’. And then there’s the gas tax that was raised that he lied and said everybody had approved on a referendum. The fact is that he raised taxes the many times, and he increased spending by $5 billion. And bragged about his balanced budgets, which just means he followed the law. ARK has a balanced budget requirement.
More spending we do not need. More taxes and we will revolt.
I am in the same boat with Erick.
runner12 (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 4:04PM EDT (link)Honestly, I am not excited about any of those who have already thrown their hat in so far. I respect and admire Gov. Palin, but there are some problems with her candidacy that cannot be overlooked.
I like what Cain has to say and I agree with him, but the fact that he does not have any legislative experience may be to large of a hurdle for him to jump.
I keep praying and hoping that someone like Jhindal or Rubio will step up to the plate and run or maybe Pence would have a change of heart and run. Any one of those guys I would be excited to support.
I find myself wanting Pence to change his mind.
earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 4:10PM EDT (link)Especially because now that he isn’t part of the R leadership he sounds even more Presidential.
Plus he is from my home state, and you can’t beat a Hoosier. (I don’t claim Lugar).
I keep hoping that he will change his mind
runner12 (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 4:12PM EDT (link)as well. Maybe when he sees the lack of quality candidates on our side he may decide that he can’t wait unti 2016.
If Daniels runs...
LibertarianHawk (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 4:51PM EDT (link)….he’ll support him.
Daniels helped to dissuade Becky Skillman from running for governor by withholding his help with fundraising and such.
So, if Daniels is good enough for Mike Pence……
I read somewhere, probably in a local
redneck_hippie (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 5:34PM EDT (link)Indy paper, that both Dan Coats and Marlin Stutzman are Daniels men.
Last I read, Pence did not commit (but the question was asked the same day that Pence declined to run for president, which had been a tough, emotional decision by all appearances.)
Optimism and unity shall win 2012
Juggernaut (Diary) Wednesday, March 16th at 6:32PM EDT (link)Till someone announces and the public speaking begin plus we see actual economic plans and spending goals then we should all be optimistic and wary of all suitors for nomination.
No need to be disappointed with the choices thus far as none have sold themselves and the liberal media are conspiring to show us the worst in each candidate so we’ll want to sit out 2012 which gives Obama a win if the keep us down. The media don’t spend too much time on actual policy plans even during the last six months or before the fight begins, its mostly cosmetic so right now more than ever we need to focus on the positives or America loses in 2012.
RomneyCare is Right Wing Socialism –
Romney “severely conservative”? That’s the opposite of a “compassionate conservative” like George W. Bush? Actually, we know what a severely conservative is. It’s Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney is no Dick Cheney.
Herman Cain Is the Guy Who Can Win
cpaguy Wednesday, March 16th at 9:22PM EDT (link)Herman Cain is really the only guy in the field that I believe cannot only win the general election, but also energize the tea party (i.e. conservative base).
He hasn’t held office before, but what does that matter? Office holders haven’t done much for us in the past.
Also, we desperately need more business experience in the government.
When the nation was forged, most folks who were involved in politics had a farm or some means of income they obtained through their own means (vs. working for somebody else). As our country has moved from agricultural to industrial, we have a far shallower pool of people involved in politics who are actually businessmen.
In the past, it would have been weird to see so very few without business experience. It would have disqualified the typical candidate.
Herman Cain Is the Guy Who Can Win
cpaguy Wednesday, March 16th at 9:22PM EDT (link)Herman Cain is really the only guy in the field that I believe cannot only win the general election, but also energize the tea party (i.e. conservative base).
He hasn’t held office before, but what does that matter? Office holders haven’t done much for us in the past.
Also, we desperately need more business experience in the government.
When the nation was forged, most folks who were involved in politics had a farm or some means of income they obtained through their own means (vs. working for somebody else). As our country has moved from agricultural to industrial, we have a far shallower pool of people involved in politics who are actually businessmen.
In the past, it would have been weird to see so very few without business experience. It would have disqualified the typical candidate.
Huh?
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, March 17th at 1:50AM EDT (link)This article, and the comments that have followed, have greatly disturbed me: on a site with purportedly informed individuals, we shouldn’t be talking about how someone’s personality, looks, or a speech qualify them as President. I like those things, but really: we are talking about the leader of the free world here, not American Idol. For that matter, I don’t need to be lectured about what love of country is: I already have it, and I certainly don’t need some bottom-feeding politician to teach me how to get it. What I want is someone who understands our problems and can deal with them in a mature fashion: anything else is a nice extra, but irrelevant. For crying out loud, we just elected a guy based on sloganeering: we don’t need put-on love of patria to become the right-wing equivalent to “hope and change”.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Please read A SIMPLE GOVERNMENT..
CaptainObvious Friday, March 18th at 12:15PM EDT (link)Mike Huckabee is clearly the man for the job. Let’s get busy and elect him in 2012.