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American Orchestrated Air Strikes In Libya Kill Innocent Civilians

By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  March 31st, 2011 at 10:41 AM  | 

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You and I both know that anytime you have a war, innocent civilians get killed.

But Barack Obama told us this is not a war. This is just a kinetic military action.

The whole reason we are in Libya is to stop innocent civilians from being killed. It is the raison d’être of Susan Rice, Samantha Powers, and Hillary Clinton. They wanted to stop a massacre.

According to Vatican officials we have now killed 40 innocent civilians in Tripoli.

“The so-called humanitarian raids have killed dozens of civilian victims in some neighborhoods of Tripoli,” said Giovanni Innocenzo Martinelli, the Apostolic Vicar of Tripoli.

“I have collected several witness accounts from reliable people. In particular, in the Buslim neighborhood, due to the bombardments, a civilian building collapsed, causing the death of 40 people,” he told Fides, the news agency of the Vatican missionary arm.

War is hell. I guess kinetic military action is too.

“But,” you lefty hacks say, “these are unconfirmed reports. They are enemy propaganda.” So you are saying that Saddam’s Minister of Information was more truthful than the Gaddafi regime? Because you bought hook, line, and sinker all of his reports of innocent civilians killed.

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  • Marcus_Traianus

    apparently the “rebels” ( e.g. LFIG, AQIM, etc.) when getting defeated militarily are now calling Reuters and telling them “massacres” are happening when Libyan government forces fight back. The hope is to draw us further into supporting their (rebel) forces with CAS.

    Anybody with casual knowledge of urban warfare in populated cities knows that civilian casualties are part of the risk. To categorically deny this is not occurring without any independent (that is US) BDA is either deliberately mendacious, foolish or ill informed.

    Oh yeah and I would believe the Vatican before trusting anything the political part of this administration says.

  • johnt

    in office. Along with other horrors like huge deficits, the NSA “spying on Americans’, and government forcing it’s will on us.
    You don’t think those issues were a matter of principle to the people who raised them, do you?

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    they become kinetic agricultural fertilizer.

  • ptort

    Kinetic Military Action is a d-bag of the highest order. On further reflection though, I think it is an obvious signal: KMA, Kiss My A–.

  • Tbone

    The real Obama Doctrine.

  • aesthete

    Civilian casualties are part and parcel of almost any protracted military conflict — that’s not to say that they’re good, but we accept that they will happen regardless. Certainly, we should do what we can within reason to avoid civilian casualties where such casualties do not further our objectives, and we should prosecute when members of our Armed Forces violate the UCMJ when it happens, but complaining about civilian casualties is gnat-straining when so many have been lost in Iraq.

  • Doc Holliday

    they probably have cool uniforms.

  • Doc Holliday
  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com Veronica

    .. since the UN started this mess, Doc, ironically, to prevent “genocide.”

    Let the Vatican document.

    It’ll further legitimize the atrocities we can continue to see commited against Christians.

    I sure don’t trust the UN to keep the numbers…

  • Doc Holliday

    I know there are numbers of them, less than 100,000 including Catholics and Copts. But I don’t think the Vatican was referring to Christian “innocent civilians”. I am sorry if it bothers you, but the Vatican has a history of attacking American military actions. Why don’t they give us a count of genocide and tyrants killing their own people?

    when did the Vatican last release a death count in China? Uganda? Zimbabwe? Mexico? Yeah, I think the Vatican has some interest in Mexico, why don’t they fix that hell hole?

  • powertothepeople

    when I would be able to say the following with no “but.”

    Correct.

    Again Correct.

    Absolutely correct,they despise our military,

    Right, and they do not want anyone to know.

    They should, but that would not allow them to focus their nonsense on us the evil empire.

  • Doc Holliday
  • dkneitel

    Air support means blowing shit up, often resulting in the death or injury to anyone in the immediate vicinity (kill radius determined by equipment specifications). Combatant or not – makes no difference to a 2,000 lb JDAM.

  • averagevoterdotcom

    or, as I heard a lib tell me, “we kill with love”. No, I did not make that up.

  • http://itsaboutliberty.com bigalsouth

    We gots to destroy this building in order to find out what’s in it . . .

  • edintexas

    While I agree that so-called “collateral damage” is unavoidable in a war, in this case protecting civilians from harm was alleged to be the SOLE reason for going to war with Libya. Ergo, deaths of civilians caused by prosecuting the war seem to me to be “fair game”.

    Of course we all know that the object of the war is to give one side in this civil war an advantage. The fact that we know virtually nothing about that side simply means we are choosing to back the devil we don’t know, for it is unlikely that any side which includes AQ will turn out to be in favor of any sort of “democracy”, or Christians, “the West”, etc.

  • edintexas

    I didn’t even see one reference to “Papism” or “Papist” from the two of you (Veronica is excluded). Guess these terms are out of use these days.

  • YnotNOW

    Civilians were likely killed, and will likely continue to be killed. The response should not be to deny, nor to shrug them off as inevitable. Instead, the State Dept should be screaming at the UN and all international forums about how Gaddafi is using human shields, is prolonging war that will result in civilian casualties, and is totally responsible for all outcomes.

    Don’t give an inch. There is no substitute for victory.

  • YnotNOW

    Civilians were likely killed, and will likely continue to be killed. The response should not be to deny, nor to shrug them off as inevitable. Instead, the State Dept should be screaming at the UN and all international forums about how Gaddafi is using human shields, is prolonging war that will result in civilian casualties, and is totally responsible for all outcomes.

    Don’t give an inch. There is no substitute for victory.

  • YnotNOW

    means that we still do everything within our power to avoid colateral damage, but don’t compromise the ability to complete the mission just because Gaddafi is using human shields and hiding military forces in cities.

    We have to be able to ligitimately claim “we’re doing all we can to limit civilian casualties, but Gaddafi….”

  • YnotNOW

    means that we still do everything within our power to avoid colateral damage, but don’t compromise the ability to complete the mission just because Gaddafi is using human shields and hiding military forces in cities.

    We have to be able to ligitimately claim “we’re doing all we can to limit civilian casualties, but Gaddafi….”

  • Doc Holliday

    It is a waste of time. I don’t get into personal arguments anymore, it is just a waste of time and energy.

  • aesthete

    is there to show that we haven’t been doing just that? I’m pretty sure that our AF and spotters didn’t suddenly turn into bloodthirsty murderers out to kill Libyans simply because it’s Obama’s mission. As I understand it, Gaddhafi’s forces are huddled in urban enclaves now, so removing them is going to involve the deaths of countless civilians on both sides of the conflict. So long as we’re in this idiotic venture, we might as well not criticize standard operating procedure.

  • aesthete

    is exactly why “humanitarian war” is a ridiculous concept on its face. After all, is not a peaceful, democratic country worth 40 deaths? OTOH, is not an Al-Qaeda controlled country not only not worth 40 deaths, but worth many deaths to prevent? Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing which of those two scenarios would result from a successful “rebel” endgame — and judging by other generic rebellions, it’s pretty likely that the side with the most guns and the willingness to use them brutally will carry the day. That sort of uncertainty doesn’t make intervention worth it, not by a long shot. This is why narrowly-defined national interest, and not the tragedies of the day, should be our guide when it comes to foreign policy.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.resistnet.com/profile/semperfi sirjason

    Obama has commited himself! And he alone has conducted an act of war against Libya…PERIOD! Congress was NOT consulted nor have “We the people…” approved of Obama’s aggresive actions against a country that has NO stratigic interests to he USA.

    The moron has definitely avoided our Congress in favor of the UN and the Arabs round the world to attack Libya and especially, Kadaffi! IRAN was his best and last opportunity to topple Ahamdinejad and the Mullahs but he PASSED on the killings, imprisonment and torture of innocent Iranians!

    An impeachable action that he seems to welcome in order to extricate himself from governing and provide a ticket for himself and his family to Kenya, Africa before indictment…and you WILL KNOW the results when the investigation ends!”We the People…” KNOW he is a monster imposter!

  • powertothepeople

    this is not Obama’s war, it is ours. I could give a rat’s shiny rear end what side you fall on in the debate concerning this action, it is our men and women in danger, hence it is our war. We do not act like the left.

    Second, nothing he is doing is illegal. Dumb, maybe, wrong time or approach, perhaps. Illegal, no. And you think attacking Iran was better or even something we should do? If so, I would reconsider calling others morons, even Obama.

    Third, impeach him for what? And why should he excuse himself to Kenya? Are you a birther or is it because you feel all blacks belong in Kenya?

    Last little tidbit for your “post,” polls show no less than 50% support for this action so far, so at least half of “we the people” support this war.

    I do not care for the way this is being handled, do not like the way Obama has governed much less the way he carried himself concerning this matter, but regardless of that, the ignorant calls constantly for impeachment are absurd, gain us no friends, do no damage to him, and waste valuable time when we should be focusing in on things that are actually a problem and a part of reality.

    But your suggestion that somehow Obama missed his opportunity to topple the Iranian leadership really shows what kind of dream world you live in.

    And it’s Gaddafi by the way.

  • YnotNOW

    I am not claiming that our forces are not sufficiently trying to avoid civilian casualties, I am arguing that we are too sensitive to the issue of collateral damage. Some is inevitable. We’re doing our best to avoid. The public and press need to grow up and deal with the fact that war is h*ll and if we’re going to fight, fight to win.

  • YnotNOW

    I am not claiming that our forces are not sufficiently trying to avoid civilian casualties, I am arguing that we are too sensitive to the issue of collateral damage. Some is inevitable. We’re doing our best to avoid. The public and press need to grow up and deal with the fact that war is h*ll and if we’re going to fight, fight to win.