In a pretty shocking Wall Street Journal/NBC poll Donald Trump is ranking number two among potential GOP contenders for the President. Mitt Romney edges him out by a few points into the top slot.
There is a very simple reason for this: the field is ‘meh.’
Certainly partisans for the various candidates are excited about their various candidates. But the general consensus from conservatives is “none of the above.” Donald Trump is filling the void right now.
Around the country I keep hearing conservatives wish Mike Pence would reconsider. But there is a growing chorus of people asking, “What do we have to do to get Chris Christie to run?”
Christie has been adamant that he is not running. That is not stopping many an activist — largely a group of people who do not even know whether the guy is actually a conservative or not — from praying hard on a daily basis that he run or Mike Pence reconsider.
Conservatives are not excited about the field. Sarah Palin seems to not be running. Mike Huckabee seems to not be running. I put these two here not because I am not intending to ignore them, but to avert the hate mail I will get for not mentioning them I will just reiterate that they are not right now taking pro-active steps to run. Many conservatives have decided they are not running.
That might change.
For now though, many in the media will want a rational explanation for why Donald Trump has soared into the second place spot. The first rational explanation is that the poll is wrong. The second rational explanation is that the rest of the field is a big yawn.
Say what you will about Donald Trump, but he has the veneer of excitement regardless of how credible you may think he is or is not.
In the mean time, Mike Pence and Chris Christie might want to rethink their present positions.
Jeff Emanuel
Neil Stevens
Stay off my christie!!
bcomber38 Thursday, April 7th at 5:32AM EDT (link)I see no credible canadates.Trump is making a lot of noise.GOOD FOR HIM.Wecan’t pick McCain he has too much baggage.We need someone who reverse change and hope to letus alone.republicans always worry me.Wishy Washy is the words that come to mind.this is going to be diffucult election.welfare people,eldely,free loader of every stripe are afraid of losing thier benefits.Thier seem to be more of them then us.
I don't think there are more of them...
dmccracken Thursday, April 7th at 10:38AM EDT (link)The problem is that they are concentrated in certain areas and therefore control an inordinate number of electoral votes.
It is amazing to me that the same people who would object to repealing the 17th amendment as “anti-democratic” set up these state systems where the majority vote in the state determines the vote of all of the state electors. So 51% voting for one candidate results in 100% of the state’s electors voting for that candidate. That is completely un-democratic!
As a history buff I'm kind of nervous...
Diogenes314 (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 5:36AM EDT (link)about the prospect of a first term New Jersey Governor in the White House.
Oh well. As long as he isn’t from Arkansas.
Dear history buff
hankdz Thursday, April 7th at 7:52AM EDT (link)It can’t be any worse than a no-term Senator from Illinois.
Leave Lincoln out of this.-NT
Diogenes314 (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 8:19AM EDT (link)That made sense when I typed it.
Diogenes314 (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 8:21AM EDT (link)Insomnia sucks.
I'm nervous about ANYONE who sucks up to the enemy within
heartlander (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 9:04AM EDT (link)–the enemy within being radical Muslims. Yes, Christie, I’m lookin’ at you.
Forget Christie — at least until he starts bringing the same kind of fervor to fighting Islamists as he does to fighting teachers’ unions.
“The still, small voice of God in every human soul is the greatest ally of the pro-life cause, and why it will ultimately prevail.”
–Donald R. McClarey
The first thing to note about Trump is...
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 2:58PM EDT (link)that he’s not a professional politician. He’s a businessman–and a showman. He’s going to have connections other politicians don’t have–to both parties. And he’s going to sound different–more like normal folks, not like a typical cautious politician. That’s hugely refreshing to both sides–but primarily to us. It’s been a long time since one of our guys attacked with gusto. It’s why we like Christie–who just called the teachers’ union bosses “thugs”–and why we like Rudy. These guys are from the NE. They’re not ideologically pure–but neither are they wimps. They FIGHT.
The second thing to note...
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 4:08PM EDT (link)Is that it’s more shocking to have Romney and Huckabee up there competing for first and second place than to have Trump included in the mix. Romney’s a fake and Huckabee’s even more phony. Trump’s the only real deal on that list.
And the second thing to note about Trump is...
Plumb_Bob (Diary) Friday, April 8th at 4:03PM EDT (link),,, that he’s an idiot.
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Many names but
redpenny Thursday, April 7th at 5:41AM EDT (link)not much substance.The Repub. field is mighty thin with no one stepping forward to take up the banner.The thing is wide open at present with Romney the apparent front runner.As far fetched as it might currently seem—–Trump would probably make one damn good president but too many voters are likely afraid of his gun-slinger approach—-personally,I could live with him,mostly because he likely says what he means and means what he says.
Don’t bother: the moderators tossed me out on my racist posterior already.
I Like the "Gun-Slingers"
etlib Thursday, April 7th at 10:36AM EDT (link)I, and I think, many others prefer a president who the media cast as a “gun-slinger” or “cowboy” which noirmally means someone who will stand up for America, doesn’t take any “guff” and shoots when necessary without hesitation.
“No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence”
Why not Trump?
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 2:34PM EDT (link)What’s so strange about a chief executive running for Chief Executive? Trump is a successful business man. That says more about his competence than Pence’s speeches and lack of experience ever can. What are Pence’s credentials? Here’s the deal about Trump:
1. Executive experience. Check.
2. Blasts through media gatekeepers. Check.
3. Not afraid to attack Obama. Check.
4. Is a household name. Check.
5. Is fiscally smart. Check
6. Is from blue state country–and would likely do well there in a general election. Check.
Come to think of it, these are exactly the creds Rudy brings to the table. How is it nobody here mentions the fact that in a very recent Quinnipiac poll Giuliani was the ONLY potential GOP candidate who beats Obama head-to-head 51% to 49%–? Inquiring minds want to know.
How is it a potential loser like Pence gets all the love around here? Are we that suicidal as a party? Do we yearn to win primaries and lose general elections? Wake up guys. Trump is a legitimate contender–and so is Rudy. Both would do well against a blowhard like Obama. So would Christie, another NY-NJ type, a far cry from the usual gentlemanly GOP selections.
Ok, sure. Why not SpongeBob?
taylerdog23 Thursday, April 7th at 3:10PM EDT (link)C’mon. Trump is a disaster. And how does he represent responsible fiscal conservatism?
Folks can talk all they want about his “executive experience,” but how do you square any of that with the fact that his business model is largely built on filing bankruptcy at every turn? Sure, there is nothing illegal in this, but is this really the candidate we want to put forward as representing the conservative brand and fiscal conservatism in particular?
The fact that we’re having this conversation @ RS about blowhard Trump is proof to me that we have a long way to go before 2012. Wow.
Why a disaster?
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 4:22PM EDT (link)How does he NOT represent fiscal conservatism? He’s a businessman first. He understands economics and the global marketplace. Sure he’s filed for bankruptcy–but anyone who understands business should also realize that’s par for the course for most businessmen. What’s a disaster oth is the way some Republicans–think about potential candidates. They fall all over themselves pining for losers like Pence or DeMint, pushing for ideological and moral perfection while ignoring electability. They cross their fingers and hope for the best. That’s not good enough this time around. It’s naive and suicidal. Trump’s a blue stater–that says even more than the fact that he’s not just another politician–which is also btw a huge plus factor in his favor. But if you don’t like Trump–take another look at Rudy. They have the same NE attitude–as does Christie. They’re all fighters. Not one is a wimpish gentleman–though they may be ideologically imperfect.
"take another look at Rudy."
taylerdog23 Thursday, April 7th at 5:00PM EDT (link)Thanks, but no thanks.
I appreciate your zeal for these guys; I honestly do. But if you think that either “9/11″ Rudy or Trump are in any way more electable because their from blue states, then I have to adamantly disagree with you.
I can accept ideologically imperfect. I cannot accept morally bankrupt.
Even if they take PA and NJ and FL?
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 5:10PM EDT (link)Think again. Those are biiiiiiig states. Purple and blue. Up to now we’ve determined who our nominees will be according to what appeals to redstaters exclusively. Isn’t it time we thought about the rest of America? Obama took PA. He took NJ. Hell, he even took IN. Our best shot–Bush–just barely won–twice. It’s about time we stopped allowing IA, NH and SC to determine who our nominees are. They’ve given us Democrats Lite every time–fiscal moderates all–Nixon, the Bushes, Dole, McCain–with the sole exception of RR–who lost twice in our primaries.
Think about it...
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 5:30PM EDT (link)Brown, Rubio and Christie asked Rudy to campaign for them. All three won–big. How did that happen? Was it the Tea Party? Sure. But all three states have huge Italian-American constituencies. That’s long been an overlooked factor in Republican politics. This part of the electorate is as big as the black vote–one twelfth–and just as concentrated in the NE and other big states like OH, PA and FL. It was madness to ignore this in 2008. Rudy polled far better than McCain throughout 2007 and right up until the NH primary. He was ahead of both Obama and Hillary in PA by double digits. He was ahead in blue states like NJ and CT–far ahead of McC. It makes no sense to ignore this reality. Rudy is hugely electable. He’s a household name. He’s a well-known reformist. He’s a leader. Yet he can’t get to first base in places like IA and SC, What should that tell you? I know what it tells me. There’s a lot wrong with a system that is so careless about electability.
I don't mean to argue that...
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 5:52PM EDT (link)somebody like Rubio won because of the Italian-American vote. That would be ridiculous, given his appeal among all whites and Hispanics. But Rudy helped with the large Italian-American vote in FL.
That’s all I’m suggesting. It was one of many factors.
Well reasoned, but I still disagree on Rudy...
taylerdog23 Friday, April 8th at 9:20AM EDT (link)however, you are 100% correct on this:
“It’s about time we stopped allowing IA, NH and SC to determine who our nominees are.”
The guy who bankrupted a casino... is fiscally smart
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 5:30PM EDT (link)The guy known for an extravagant, over-the-top style, and whose latest business ventures in the 90s collapsed under their own weight… fiscally conservative? How does that work?
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Look at the bottom line.
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 5:57PM EDT (link)Doesn’t matter how some of his ventures fared. He’s rich and getting richer. He knows the way the game is played. He has wide name-recognition and lots of money. And he’s not intimidated by Obama’s race or by his lies. That’s a lot going for him in my book.
All of his business ventures
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 6:42PM EDT (link)since the 80s have failed to make a profit. Sure, his *personal* wealth might be increasing because of things like “The Apprentice”, but Obama is doing just fine as far as income goes, as well. Trump hasn’t had a good idea since the 80s, and I see nothing to admire in a man who, besides a few good investments in the 80s, has squandered his inheritance.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
All? Can you cite facts?
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 8:01PM EDT (link)As for Rudy–he’s got a fiscal record. Why not take it more seriously? Quinnipiac just days ago had him as the ONLY Republican who polls ahead of Obama RIGHT NOW. Shouldn’t that interest us?
I am not sure that is completely true Aesthete
Doc Holliday (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 8:25PM EDT (link)Of course I don’t have the details and you have provided few, I think we should figure this out. As I understand it, with an ever poorer memory, that Trump did file for bankruptcy once but he is still very wealthy and has made a lot of money.
People have been attacking him for years saying he was bankrupt. I think he actually filed suit against some organizations for false claims.
I can tell you do not like the guy. He certainly is a blowhard and is not what I would consider to be an ideal candidate. However, some here have said they would “never” vote for Trump under any circumstances. I think people better come to terms with the fact that the guy “MIGHT” compete well in our primary.
I know I would vote for him over Obama, but I would vote for any random guy in the phone book over Obama. One thing I have noticed lately here, there seems to be a lot less disdain for Obama lately. It is like he is a fait accompli, like people are unhappy, yet comfortable with him. I for one am not, I think he is a danger and the worst thing that has ever happened to the presidency.
I would not vote for Ghadaffi or a few others even if they ran against Obama, but like I said, just a few others.
Molon Labe!
Whaduya mean "no substance"?
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 3:03PM EDT (link)Trump’s got substance in spades. Sure he’s a showboater–but he’s also a successful businessman. He doesn’t fit our stereotypical idea of who’s presidential–but maybe it’s our idea that has to change. What we need above all is a WINNER–somebody who’s a fighter–who can blast through the media fog and tell it like it is. I’d prefer Rudy or Christie–but I’m open to Trump. He’s a blue-stater who will attract many blue state voters–like Rudy or Christie. We can’t just count on red states to win.
This explains so much
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 3:36PM EDT (link)and now I see it. You are a wanna be comedian who has never really posted a legitimate piece, just silly attempts at humor.
I really hope this is the case because if the above is your opinion, we need to form an intervention.
What it explains...
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 4:36PM EDT (link)is how you don’t post ideas, you post attacks on other posters. You do it consistently. Apparently your brain is as devoid of ideas as your posts tend to be.
How come
jlsankot Thursday, April 7th at 6:39AM EDT (link)no one ever mentions Herman Cain. Is there something about him I don’t know?
As far as those who have been named as “possibilities”, I believe “we got nothin” and that is REAL scary.
Only that he has no chance of winning
Mark Impomeni (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 7:05AM EDT (link)Cain is a good talker, smart businessman, patriotic American, and probably a very personable guy. But he is not going to win the nomination. He’s not even going to make an impact. Cain is a more likable Gary Bauer or Alan Keyes. He just isn’t a front runner. Sorry to say.
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Damn the Obama! Full speed ahead!
"Cain is a good talker, smart businessman, patriotic American, and probably a very personable guy."
radicalrighty Thursday, April 7th at 7:50AM EDT (link)Oh hell no, we can’t have somebody like that elected president!!
Sad, isn’t it . . .
Herman Cain
Leon H. Wolf (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 11:52AM EDT (link)Has run for statewide office one time and he lost badly in the GOP primary. In Georgia. Not the sort of thing that inspires confidence in a Presidential run.
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We can’t stop here. This is bat country.
"Cain is a good talker, smart businessman, patriotic American, and probably a very personable guy."
radicalrighty Thursday, April 7th at 7:50AM EDT (link)Oh hell no, we can’t have somebody like that elected president!!
Sad, isn’t it . . .
I don't know about that.....
scmom Thursday, April 7th at 9:12AM EDT (link)Wouldn’t it be an interesting election if the Republicans had an “ABC” American Black Conservative (his term) to run against the “Faux Black Closet-Muslim” Obama. Then let them try to call us Racists!
With Michelle Bachman for a running mate…
Mitch Daniels & Condi Rice
carolina Thursday, April 7th at 10:20AM EDT (link)went to a basketball game together. Some speculate that they might be planning a run together (coaxed together by TPTB)
I could happily support that ticket myself, if given the opportunity.
No way!
MF (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 1:16PM EDT (link)I’m not completely sold on Daniels, but Rice is a DISASTER!
I'm with you, MF
heartlander (Diary) Friday, April 8th at 2:06AM EDT (link)Condi Rice is not only pro-abortion and voted for Obama, but SOLD ISRAEL DOWN THE RIVER.
BOO!!!!
“The still, small voice of God in every human soul is the greatest ally of the pro-life cause, and why it will ultimately prevail.”
–Donald R. McClarey
Rudy/Rubio
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 2:50PM EDT (link)nt
Rubio has too much character to serve with that bum much less as his second NT
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 3:32PM EDT (link)Rudy is a "bum"?
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 4:28PM EDT (link)Another dumb remark from you–but another non-argument as well. I expect no less. Rudy’s credentials were established on 9/11. He showed leadership and courage. That defined who he is in my opinion–not to speak of his impeccable reform record of a city larger than most states, with a budget three times that of a big state like PA.. He fought the unions, the media, the race hustlers–and people like you who irrationally hate others. I’d say he’s a hero, not a bum.
Correction.
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 5:15PM EDT (link)New York City’s budget is a third that of my own state–PA. It’s still bigger than most states–bigger than Indiana’s, for instance.
You calling anyones
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 5:30PM EDT (link)remark dumb is like Obama calling another president bad, it is laughable.
And I spelled bum correctly, did not skirt around when saying it, and will say it again, bum.
He ran one of the worst campaigns to date, even worse than the pitiful campaign of David Duke.
He acted way more liberal in his term than he ever did conservative.
He appointed some of the most liberal people to positions when he had the opportunity to change the normal in those areas
Like a coward, he ran around on his wife when she was in the most need of him and his faithful behavior
Do I need to go on?
Fought the unions, oh boy! Reformed the city, keep dreaming. Hero, not in a million years. While his language during 9-11 was admirable, his use of the devastation to jump his pitiful campaign was pathetic and low class. Only place he is a hero is your mind, not even in his own state or city.
Bum?
swami7774 (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 5:06PM EDT (link)Really?
I can conclude only that you must have missed the coverage of NYC’s renaissance in the mid 1990s and the city’s response to 9/11.
Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism.
Response above
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 5:34PM EDT (link)and he was by far the least hero during those times and speaking eloquently during such a disaster does not make on a hero. The only hero(s) during that ordeal were the men and women in the rubble hour after hour, the ones who charged up the stairwell costing them their lives, the ones who worked tirelessly to save the wounded, etc. His speeches were not hero material. He is and should be commended for getting involved, but he is no hero. And his actions while mayor and in his own personal life show him to be the bum he is and always will be.
Absurd revisionism.
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 6:24PM EDT (link)Nice try–still clueless.
Just for the record...
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 6:53PM EDT (link)1. He emerged from 9/11 like Churchill during the London Blitz.
2. By revolutionizing crime-fighting, he drove overall crime in NYC down 56.1 percent, and homicides down 66.6 percent, making it one of the safest big cities in America.
3. Abortions on Giuliani’s watch dropped 16.9 percent, according to figures from the New York State Office of Vital Statistics. Rudy pro-actively pushed for adoptions.
4.He cut welfare rolls 58 percent, starting two years before federal welfare reform.
5. He privatized 23,625 city-owned dwellings.
6. He fought race and gender politics, dumping set-asides and overbid bonuses for minority and female contractors.
7. He closed the Offices of African-American/Caribbean Affairs, Asian Affairs, European-American Affairs, Gay Community Affairs, Immigrant Affairs, Jewish Community Affairs, and Latino Affairs.
8. He established the $10 million Charter School Improvement Fund helped 3,286 pupils in 17 new charter schools, up from zero. students, He eliminated tenure for school principals and fired slackers. He ended promotion of students doing poorly;
9. He ended open admissions at the City University of New York. SATs for freshmen rose from 863 in 1993 to 1,049 in 2001, a 21.6 percent improvement. Minority enrollment actually jumped despite liberal predictions.
10. He protested taxpayer support of a Brooklyn Museum exhibition that featured a painting of the Virgin Mary made with elephant dung and photos of private parts.
11. Under his tenure Times Square now is family-friendly, instead of being comprised of porno shops. Because of him the city prohibited sex shops within 500 feet of schools, churches, and residential communities.
12. He governed as a Reaganite supply-sider, scrapping more than twenty taxes, lowering the city’s tax burden by 17 percent and saving individual and business taxpayers $9.8 billion. A family of four earning $50,000 saw its local taxes plummet 23.7 percent.
13. He hired 12 percent more cops and 12.8 percent more teachers, bit sliced bureaucrats 17.2 percent. Overall, municipal headcount fell 3.1 percent.
14. Local unemployment dropped from 10.4 percent in 1993 to 5.7 percent in 2001 even as population grew 9.3 percent. Tourism rose 32 per cent.
Thanks to Deroy Murdock of National Review...
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 7:45PM EDT (link)for the above summation. He did far more besides. Fought the Mafia, for instance. Jailed the heads of the five families. Fought the NYTimes every step of the way, not to mention the alphabet networks. Then he has to put up with jerks who don’t know his record and call him “bum.”
Mitch Daniels & Condi Rice
carolina Thursday, April 7th at 10:20AM EDT (link)went to a basketball game together. Some speculate that they might be planning a run together (coaxed together by TPTB)
I could happily support that ticket myself, if given the opportunity.
That's one wobbly stool
Paula (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 2:07PM EDT (link)Neither Rice nor Daniels would bring all three legs of the GOP stool to that ticket. Think McCain squared.
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Cain/Bachman, huh?
Leon H. Wolf (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 11:52AM EDT (link)Wow. Just wow.
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We can’t stop here. This is bat country.
Question Mark I. (on H. Cain)
Matthew Morris (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 9:36AM EDT (link)Or really, a repeat of the same: what about him suggests “that he has no chance of winning?” I beg your pardon, but you seem to have only restated the supposed “problem.”
In what specific ways is he like a “a more likable Gary Bauer or Alan Keyes?”
I have never seen the things to suggest as such. When it comes to feet in (or preferably out) of the mouth and general political skill and calculus, I have never seen anything but good things from Cain. Limited, but good. Certainly nothing resembling the aforementioned couple.
I have not had time to engage as much lately, so I would like you to help me out and elaborate. What have I (and jlsankot) missed?
Thank you kindly.
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Ipsum esse subsistens
Who decides who is a front runner? nt
Ann_W (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 12:25PM EDT (link)“The more the plans fail, the more the planners plan.” Ronald Reagan
Everybody who wants to post,
The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 1:51PM EDT (link)until after the NH primary.
But I will concur with the consensus that right now we’ve got a field about a square mile in area and maybe a quarter of an inch deep. Well, considerably less than that in Trump’s case, which is why his placement in the poll is so worrisome.
I don't agree...
akafroman Thursday, April 7th at 2:48PM EDT (link)The only problem he has is money or name recognition, the same problem Marco Rubio had…a few months before he got almost 50% in a three way race. People even admit he is one of the most conservative and best speakers. It seems as though we have to keep compromising (within the current field) between social conservatism and executive experience; Herman Cain has the executive experience of Romney, and the social creds. of Michele Bachmann. Also, if Cain could get 10-15% of the black vote, the democrats would be done.
I don't see the comparison. Rubio had...
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 4:47PM EDT (link)political savvy, looks, an exceptional ability to articulate conservative ideas, and a huge Hispanic constituency. He also had a single self-destructing opponent in the primary and a three-way split in the general. None of this applies.
I respectfully disagree
ithos Thursday, April 7th at 6:45AM EDT (link)The major reason Trump is gaining traction is because of his message. I’ve always considered him an annoying showboater but when I heard him on the Laura Ingraham show I started to cheer. His comments about our disgraceful China trade policy( don’t you dare call it free trade) is one that no other potential candidate has the guts to say. It is an especially potent message when you consider that the GOP along with Obama has been horrible on this issue. Even Larry Kudlow is coming around on this one. Trump also has the guts to bring up issues such as Rezko and call the President a disaster. Americans are sick of being lectured about Smoot-Hawley as they watch our industrial base being destroyed by unfettered mercantilism and intellectual piracy.
I love Erick and Redstate but I think there is a serious disconnect if he and others believe that Trumps flamboyancy is his major appeal. I realize that he is a deeply flawed candidate which is why I am praying that other potential candidates get a clue.
You nailed it. Trump does have "guts."
radicalrighty Thursday, April 7th at 7:57AM EDT (link)That is his attraction.
When I heard him say he would negotiate a set oil price (as well as open up our own oil fields for drilling) with the Saudis, or we would close our military bases, I have to admit, I GOT A TINGLE UP MY LEG!
Exactly!
scmom Thursday, April 7th at 9:18AM EDT (link)He is the least PC of the currect crop of potential candidates, and we really need someone who will speak the truth.
He also doesn’t have to kowtow to the money-monkeys.
He has his own or he can go raise some without having to rely on the political financiers that currently control things.
I agree
tlhanger Thursday, April 7th at 9:55AM EDT (link)We know he understands finances. He and Sarah Palin say what they think, refreshing! So does Michell and Herman Cain, love them too. The politiacally correct stuff always falls on us, never the Democrats. I am sick of the elite boobs and their say nothing speech!
Terry L Hanger
We're supposed to be the adults on trade, remember?
juumanistra (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 11:39AM EDT (link)Americans are sick of being lectured about Smoot-Hawley as they watch our industrial base being destroyed by unfettered mercantilism and intellectual piracy.
Oh yes, the rampant destruction of the American industrial base that has led to ever-increasing output from the manufacturing sector. A horror of the sort that the industrial sectors of the economy have never seen before, with surging productivity and production volume! Truly, this is fate worse than death itself.
Trade-baiting is populist demagoguery of the worst sort, because it panders to popular ignorance on the subject. No matter how much scapegoating is done of the nefarious Chinaman and his renminbi-manipulating voodoo, he’s didn’t “steal” or “destroy” any American manufacturing jobs. That was done through our own hands and the fact that we’ve created such a toxic regulator environment that it’s damn hard to build anything new. If you’re truly interested in the well-being of American industry, working to fix that problem is where all the populist brimstone and thunder needs to be directed, not at the Red Chinese.
555555
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 1:20PM EDT (link)In a just world, fair traders would be seen on the same level as other socialists: there is absolutely no empirical evidence proving any of the claims made by fair traders, no basic logic backing up their points, and absolutely no understanding of basic economics behind “fair trade”.
It really is the basest sort of populism, and those with such views should first be educated, and then ignored if education doesn’t work.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Let's not confuse fair trade with rank protectionism.
juumanistra (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 2:55PM EDT (link)Fair trade, after all, is the Left’s bugaboo: Barriers to entry need to be erected because the developing world, for the most part, wants no part of the environmental and labor laws of the States, and so they create for themselves an unfair competitive advantage that needs to be mitigated. The rank protectionism that emerges from the populist Right is, in many ways, far more refreshing due to its visceral nature: Those damnable slant-eyes stole our jerbs, and need to be taught a lesson! Doesn’t make it any less wrongheaded from my vantage point, but it’s certainly more palatable than preening about the need to “protect” American workers from the international knock-on effects of OSHA and EPA.
This isn’t to discount the disconcerting nature of China’s rank mercantilism: It is something to be concerned with. Especially its foreign policy dimensions, for which the U.S. sadly has had no coherent response. And, heck, it might be that the healthiest move for American trade is to adopt duties on Chinese goods: But given our experience with trade wars in the past, tariffs need to be the policy tool of last resort, as their deployment will inexorably lead to them being reciprocated. Since there’re plenty of efficiency gains to be had by tackling the problems posed by the American regulatory state, I’d say we’re still a very long way from being able to ascertain if protectionism vis-a-vis China would do more good than harm.
True enough
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 5:25PM EDT (link)There is a difference between “fair trade” and protectionism, and their relative popularity on the political spectrum. That said, there tends to be quite a bit of overlap between the two: in practice, most of those promoting “fair trade” are rarely satisfied with simply requiring environmental and labor standards. Take the US-Chile deal: both advanced social democracies with quite a bit of overlap in terms of environmental and labor policy, but the left and “fair traders” in both countries vociferously opposed the deal because of “inadequate labor standards” — this, despite the fact that wages and living standards in Chile are much higher than those of other S American countries. There will never be a country with “adequate” regulations for the “fair traders”. Judging by rhetoric characterizing freely arrived-at trade as neo-colonialism, it seems to me that free traders are effectively concern troll protectionists.
Regarding China, I’m inclined to believe that its merchantilist policies will collapse of their own accord: it is not sustainable, and when it collapses, it will look about as pretty as Japan did when its merchantilist policies collapse. There are reasons to worry about the instability that will result from this collapse, but IMO, the merchantilist policies themselves are going to be quite harmful to China. Agreed on regulation, btw.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
I would love a China free trade agreement
ithos Thursday, April 7th at 6:20PM EDT (link)It is the arrogant elitist who embraces protectionism as long as long as it is American workers taking it in the teeth. Are you snobs capable of critical thinking? Free trade is a two way street. Without reciprocity markets become distorted and manipulated. Of course unions and government regulations are responsible for huge part of our trade deficit but it’s not the only reason. If industries can’t compete on a level playing field then let them die. No argument there.
But how folks can be so sanguine about China and all their dirty tricks and devious intentions to undermine our country is beyond me.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/3319656
So, are you upset for the American worker or the American industrial base?
juumanistra (Diary) Friday, April 8th at 12:04AM EDT (link)Your contention was that the American industrial base was being “shredded” by Chinese mercantilism and rampant intellectual property theft. One would think that such a shredding would’ve had a measurable impact upon American manufacturing output: Since the value of said output has doubled since 1975, if that constitutes “shredding”, I can only hope the agricultural and service sectors of the economy are similarly thrashed. To contend that it is now about American workers “taking it in the teeth” is to engage in goalpost-shifting of the highest caliber.
I am hardly sanguine about the Red Chinese. But I am even less sanguine about the proposals which are bandied about to “remedy” the problems of Chinese mercantilism, either. All of which seem to boil down to starting a trade war and then hoping a rash of in-sourcing will break out. You’ll have to pardon me for thinking that’s a stupendously bad idea, given that it’s impossible to win a trade war. In this context, as bad as the disease is, the cure is worse.
But let’s assume for a moment that you get your way, ithos, and that a protectionist Congress enacts your exact policy desires vis-a-vis tariffs against the PRC. What, exactly, is your plan should they fail to do as you desire and float the renminbi? As that is a distinct possibility: The Politburo doesn’t base its monetary policy solely off of its efficacy in cheesing off American protectionists, after all. China is, for better or worse, sufficiently strong to go tell American to go fly a kite when it comes to our attempts to impress upon it our policy desires, especially on something a locally attund as monetary policy. This leaves the not-insubstantial risk of starting a trade war and simply emboldening the Politburo to double-down on its mercantilism.
In light of all of that, it’s just a better usage of scarce political resources to work on the rationalization of the regulatory state. From which the constant invocation of the Chinese boogie man cum scapegoat distracts and detracts.
China trade problems
progressivelibertarian Thursday, April 7th at 3:42PM EDT (link)Huckabee would likely be as tough on fixing the Chine trada deficit problem (currency manipulation, etc) as Trump would be, but he’d do it with a genial smile on his face.
I asked...
sccrenny (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 6:46AM EDT (link)a candidate for SC GOP Chairman Tuesday if anyone was holding a gun to Jim DeMint’s head and “asking” him to get in the race. A proven track record without drawing the missiles from the howling monkeys on the left. A man the GOP establishment don’t know how to deal with because they never met a Statesman, just a long line of politicians.
Look in the Tea Party dictionary under “statesman” and you will see a picture of Sen. Jim DeMint.
When I look at Barack Obama I don’t see black. I don’t see white. I do, however see RED! It’s the same color I see when I look at Pelosi, Reid, ACORN, SEIU…
Precinct Delegate since 2010
and the answer was?????
scmom Thursday, April 7th at 9:22AM EDT (link)I have a great deal of respect for Jim DeMint. I think that he might make a good President.
DeMint has said several times that he won't run for President
MF (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 1:20PM EDT (link)He’s said that he can have greater effect in the Senate at this time, and will not run for President. I agree that he would be fantastic as President, probably my #1 choice, but I also like that he intends to do as much good as possible where he is now, in the Senate, a very important place as well.
don't understand
henryhiggins Thursday, April 7th at 6:58AM EDT (link)why Herman Cain is not getting more attention and support. His message is much the same as Trumps, but without the social issue negatives. Trump should drop out and throw all his money and support behind Cain…he could actually win.As to the Muslim issue…he tells the truth and the American people know it.
Cain is great, we'd have to do hard work in the new media to overcome the old media on this.
Ann_W (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 12:31PM EDT (link)“They” decide he can’t win, because he is not a front-runner. I don’t know who “they” are. But if he’s a good candidate we just need to talk him up to all our friends on Facebook, etc., because “they” have already decided that he’s not a serious candidate.
“The more the plans fail, the more the planners plan.” Ronald Reagan
Indeed
Finrod (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 2:37PM EDT (link)Herman Cain is so far one of two candidates that I could see myself voting for, rather than ending up with because I’m voting against someone else (like in the 2008 primary where my choice was Romney, Huckabee or McCain).
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
Chris Christie
politicalqrm Thursday, April 7th at 7:16AM EDT (link)needs to get New Jersey straightened out. I grew up there and they are in a mess. When he gets the state more solvent, he should consider a run. But he has to have a record of accomplishments.
Mitt Romney is ahead in NH because there are a bunch of country club Republicans up here. But the Tea Party people are starting to make inroads. But if he is the Repub nominee, we have Pres Obama for the next 4 years.
. Donald Trump says some good things, but I think he should run for Mayor of NYC. Save it from Anthony Weiner who is considering a run.
I like Herman Cain. He’s been on Laura Ingraham’s show and I’ve heard him on another talk show. Amazing man. Tells it like it is. He’s been up here in NH and was a hit. Very well received.
Where does is say we have to have an ensconced politician to run for the presidency?
http://politicalqrm.com
A few thoughts on your comment
dmccracken Thursday, April 7th at 10:58AM EDT (link)I don’t think NYC is big enough for his ego.
Agree completely with your take on Mitt Romney.
The other problem with Christie is that while a straight-talking politician (I never expected to ever see one in NJ!) his fiscal conservatism is probably more because there is no choice. Given a fiscally flush government, would he do the same?
Also, there are many other issues besides fiscal that we need to be concerned about in a candidate for President, and I agree that he needs to establish a track record of accomplishment. Otherwise he is just tilting at windmills (a la Don Quixote).
Sorry
dmccracken Thursday, April 7th at 10:58AM EDT (link)The first line was about Trump.
Good point
politicalqrm Thursday, April 7th at 11:19AM EDT (link)regarding Trump. He really probably wants to be Pres for ego. Although he always struck me as being more of a Dem than a Repub….
Christie has a lot of guts to do what he is doing in NJ, since so many unions are intertwined with other org of questionable business practices (ahem!). God protect him.
http://politicalqrm.com
Forgive me if I gave the wrong impression
dmccracken Thursday, April 7th at 1:50PM EDT (link)On Christie.
I agree that the man has guts. I fervently hope he succeeds in breaking the union’s grip on the government in this state. I just think that people who promote him for presidential run are seeing what he is doing and pegging him for a conservative and therefore supporting the idea of his running.
He definitely isn’t a social conservative, and I don’t know that he is a principled fiscal conservative either. I think he is a fiscal realist and that is what is driving him in his present quest. Whatever the reason, I am thankful that he is doing it, but I would hesitate to get behind him for President.
This thread is a self fulfilling prophecy
Spartan4Life (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 7:21AM EDT (link)So. let me get this straight.
The answer for our lack of a charismatic candidate is Mike Pence or Jim Demint? Ugh. Love those guys but charismatic? Uh, no.
I am still hopeful that our leader hasn’t emerged yet. But Trump is simply filling the void left by HuckabeeGingrichPalinPawlentySantorumCainBachman(none of whom can win by the way).
I know noone ants to even think about this truth but it will take a very, very good candidate to beat the O blah, blah, blah, ma.
Pence and DeMint have no chance to ever win...
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 2:43PM EDT (link)in a general election. What we need to remember is ideological purity means nothing if you lose general elections. IT’S ALL ABOUT WINNING, nothing else. We can’t afford another loss, not if we love America. We need a potential winner. Trump may not be the right choice–but he’s a potential winner. He may seem like a showboater–but he’s a successful showboater because he was first a successful businessman and executive. There’s substance behind the glitz.
This thread is a self fulfilling prophecy
Spartan4Life (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 7:21AM EDT (link)So. let me get this straight.
The answer for our lack of a charismatic candidate is Mike Pence or Jim Demint? Ugh. Love those guys but charismatic? Uh, no.
I am still hopeful that our leader hasn’t emerged yet. But Trump is simply filling the void left by HuckabeeGingrichPalinPawlentySantorumCainBachman(none of whom can win by the way).
I know noone ants to even think about this truth but it will take a very, very good candidate to beat the O blah, blah, blah, ma.
I understand
sta46 Thursday, April 7th at 7:37AM EDT (link)why none of them want to run… who wants Code Pink protesting at the end of their driveway every day… who wants the left/commie press screaming about every aspect of their personal lives on a daily basis….lunatic-lefties hanging them in effigy and going after their children? They all watched what was done to Bush for 8 years and aren’t exactly in a hurry to sign themselves up for the same treatment and I can’t really blame them. My hope/prayer would lie with Perry deciding he would be willing to take one for the team.
Credible or not,
radicalrighty Thursday, April 7th at 7:47AM EDT (link)it is refreshing to hear someone who is so anti-PC as Trump is. Say what you will about him, but he probably makes the Saudis, as well as Dems tremble when he speaks.
The depressing part is that if he got elected, nearly everyone in the beltway would be against him, regardless of party. Just ask Paul, Lee or Rubio. They probably exected only about half of the Senate would be against them. Instead they have only a half-dozen who think as they do.
A Problem
edintexas Thursday, April 7th at 8:46AM EDT (link)A problem with a Trump candidacy is that few, if anyone, knows where he actually stands on the political spectrum. We don’t know if he is generally a Conservative, or really a Lib with some conservative tendencies.
I’ll admit I haven’t been paying attention to Trump, there have been too many years of “celebrity” coverage of him. I don’t know where he stands on individual freedom, abortion, the 2d Amendment, etc., etc. He may be “good” on business, but I don’t even know if that is truly the case – or if he actually favors crony capitalism.
At this point we are just starting the election season (it seems to start earlier and earlier), so not having a “front runner” isn’t surprising. The lack of candidates which Conservatives can be excited about is disconcerting. We can only hope that will change soon.
As commented upon, people pushing Christie likely don’t even know what he stands for across the Conservative spectrum of issues. My impression is that he is fairly typical of Republicans in the NY Combined Statistical Area (or at least a somewhat expanded CSA which includes more of NJ and CT), fiscally fairly conservative but socially fairly liberal. As a limited example, I don’t believe Christie is “good” on the 2d Amendment at all. He was faced with the recent case of the kid who made a good faith effort to find the facts of the NJ firearms laws. Christie could have issued a pardon, thus restoring the kid to a status of not being a convicted felon as well as not being in prison. Christie chose a commutation, which put the kid out of prison and still facing life as a convicted felon (unless there is an appeal still pending which results in overturning the conviction, perhaps somewhat less likely now that his sentence is commuted) and losing his 2d Amendment rights. Of course I have a similar problem with George Bush and commuting Scooter Libby instead of pardoning him. But W never was a Conservative, he was just far, far better than the alternatives (did I put enough far’s in there?).
Just my $0.02 (soon to be $2.00 with the coming inflation).
Perhaps you should pay a bit more attention
scmom Thursday, April 7th at 9:24AM EDT (link)He has been spending a good deal of time lately talking about his positions. I’m not totally certain about everything, but he is sounding pretty conservative to me.
Lately
edintexas Thursday, April 7th at 9:50AM EDT (link)Is exactly the problem I have with him. Talking is a problem too, but given that he hasn’t held office that is excused as he’s had little or no opportunity to “do” in the political realm. I’m not saying I don’t like what he is saying now, but I don’t see any longer term record of what he really believes.
We have a prior cipher* in office now. I’m sure Trump would be much, much better than Dear Leader, but we still don’t know a lot about him. If he actively campaigns, we’ll find out a lot about “The Donald”, for the MSM will dig up every unflattering detail of his life in their efforts to protect “their candidate”.
* Not totally true, his political background was available but the MSM worked mightily to ignore it and not report, or comment, on it.
Trump has been aiding and abetting the Dems for years
Paula (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 2:26PM EDT (link)Since 2000 he’s made contributions to Gillibrand, Rangle, Wiener, Schumer, Clinton, Reid, Durbin, Dodd, Patrick Kennedy, Ted Kennedy, Kerry, and $25K to the Dem. Senatorial Campaign Committee. Did he miss any wingnut extremists?
31% to Dems
23% to GOP
The rest to “other” causes
His political ideology can be defined as “opportunist” and “pragmatist.”
Paula
My blog: Bold Colors
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"his political ideology can be defined as opportunist and pragmatist"
Goldwater_Conservative (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 2:30PM EDT (link)just like every single other aspect of his life.
His aid of Democrats should be expected...
writeblock Thursday, April 7th at 2:45PM EDT (link)given his background as a businessman. You have to befriend both parties–but especially the party in power–if you want to succeed in business. That’s the way the game is played by most business executives.
You don't if you're a statesman
Paula (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 2:57PM EDT (link)You don’t aid and abet candidates whose policies you know will harm your country just to “succeed in business.” This is no game show. I don’t want someone like that running this country.
Paula
My blog: Bold Colors
Follow me on Twitter: pbolyard
He's not a statesman...yet.
writeblock Friday, April 8th at 12:38AM EDT (link)He’s not even a politician. But he’s an American who loves his country and has certain smarts concerning business–which we’re in dire need of at this juncture.
Christie is compromised with respect ro radical Islam
heartlander (Diary) Friday, April 8th at 2:14AM EDT (link)NO CANDIDATE GETS MY VOTE WHO WILL NOT NAME THE ENEMY AND FIGHT THE ENEMY, BOTH WITHOUT AND WITHIN.
“The still, small voice of God in every human soul is the greatest ally of the pro-life cause, and why it will ultimately prevail.”
–Donald R. McClarey
I would vote for Trump in a heartbeat if the Reps.
renny (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 9:06AM EDT (link)have no one else with the chutzpah and tenacity to go after Obama and make a real campaign.
He would surely not be perfect, but he has mucho exec. experienve, great name recognition, is not afraid of the camera, and can be self deprecating about himself and his hair, which is an indication that even with his ego, he has some rational balance in his character.
And I doubt he would off campaigning duing serious budget negotiations or off vacationing during serious national disaster like the BP leak.
Lead on, kindly light.
Go back and read what you just wrote
Paula (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 3:01PM EDT (link)“not afraid of the camera” and “can be self deprecating about himself and his hair.” Seriously? How is this different than Harry Reid saying Obama is “light-skinned with no Negro dialect”? This is not the way to choose a presidential candidate.
Paula
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So what's the right way?
writeblock Friday, April 8th at 12:44AM EDT (link)Going for somebody approved by farmers in IA? How does that get the vote of somebody in PA or OH, let alone FL. Trump has half the battle won if he enters the fray–enough name recognition and money to fuel a campaign. The average guy on the street likes him and thinks he makes sense. Who cares if he’s politically correct as far as the establishment goes–i.e., Washington pols and pundits.
[I burned an account for Big Labor!]
injunearguy Thursday, April 7th at 9:23AM EDT (link)[Kids: I know that some of you Big Labor folks were hoping for a ten-point blowout, but you didn't get it. You got a dead heat and a couple months' worth of recounts - and labor union reform bills in multiple states. Blame your own side's poor organizational skills. - ML]
How about a column giving your take on the defeat at the polls of the conservative Republican incumbent Supreme Court judge in Wisconsin last Tuesday ??
Did Governor Walker reach way too far with his agenda ??
Paul
Trump's the only one actively running currently
Finrod (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 9:59AM EDT (link)If he wasn’t at least in second place right now, he should just give up.
Things are still very early. None of the major competitors want to be first in the ring and thus become yesterday’s news. The analogy here is how Richard Nixon held off campaigning in New Hampshire until about a month before the primary there; when he finally showed, he was the fresh face that everyone was excited about, and it paid off for him.
The campaign not really starting yet is a good thing– because it means that it isn’t going to be as long (and thus as wearying) as last time. Last time we had both parties nominating someone, so people that got sick of the endless campaign were annoyed at both sides. This time, it’s just us; we don’t want people to be burned out about presidential campaigning any more than we have to.
We don’t need Pence or Christie; they’re both doing a bang-up job right where they’re at. We’ll find our candidate soon enough.
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
Trump et al
Liberally Conservative (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 10:21AM EDT (link)I’ve read some credible articles discussing Trumps propensity to bring attention to himself, ego and all. It doesn’t mean he is necessarily going to run. If he does, it’s all about the power.
Trump has “crossed the aisle” with donations to aid Donald Trump. Would he be such an aisle crosser, ala John McCain, at the expense of the US Constitution? Is Trump all fluff and bluster?
The regular political class fears one thing in running against incumbent Obama – MONEY! Obama is already out campaigning, doing what he enjoys best while ignoring the problems at hand, Obama is busy filling his coffers. We’ve heard up to $1 Billion dollars to get reelected.
Will the unions and Hollywood push Obama across the finish line? Will the “independents” choose fools gold instead of the real thing?
Is this Déjà Vu all over again? I’m holding my breath waiting for a credible candidate to make a stand.
No Romney No way No how
robobbob Thursday, April 7th at 10:32AM EDT (link)not a dime, not a minute of my time
after that, the current field is a big yawn.
Is the GOP trying a replay of 2008? The man who lost to McCain is the establishment choice?
maybe, just maybe, this is some great grand strategy. The GOP knows that the budget and economy is unsustainable, but the public by and large have not yet reached critical mass to take the kind of action to solve the problems, so they’ll give the Dems 2012 to really run the country into ground and then come back strong in 2016?
Can't Win?
etlib Thursday, April 7th at 10:43AM EDT (link)I’m tired of the “Palin can’t win,” “Cain can’t win,” “Bachmann can’t win,” … “[name of asny real Conservative here] can’t win” crowd.
The only reason they “can’t win” is because people don’t stand up for them and hide behind a fictitious “can’t win” banner.
“No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence”
Precisely
Finrod (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 11:00AM EDT (link)Almost any Republican that runs could beat Barack Obama. See: 1992, when Bush Sr. looked invincible a year out, and some no-name governor from Arkansas ended up beating him.
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
Amen!
squeek71 Thursday, April 7th at 11:24AM EDT (link)I have used that example so many times. Who knew who Bill Clinton was before he ran for president?? He still won. I especially think this applies to those who are just unknown at this point because they do not have high negative ratings to overcome.
And what about that peanut farmer from Georgia with the big smile?
MF (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 1:36PM EDT (link)He was far worse than Slick Willy. But up until less than a year before the 1976 election, Jimmuh Carter was a complete unknown to most of us. His major appeal was that he wasn’t Gerald Ford, who was never even elected to Potus or VPotus, and was generallyl deemed to be a buffoon (whether it’s true or not).
How smart is it...
writeblock Friday, April 8th at 1:00AM EDT (link)To ignore electability? Shouldn’t candidates have something going for them besides high aspiration–like having won important elections, having reformist credentials, having name recognition? Is this the time for us to cross our fingers and get behind a candidate we like simply because we hope he or she might do well–if the stars align themselves aright? We need to win big next time around–not hope we might win if we get lucky.
Electability is HUGE
heartlander (Diary) Friday, April 8th at 2:24AM EDT (link)Daniel Greenfield has written an extremely good post on the difference between having good ideas, and being able to SELL the public on yourself as a candidate, so that you get the chance to implement those ideas. You first have to convince people to vote for you.
SALESMANSHIP is everything. Someone who can energize and electrify a crowd, and make them EAGER to get out and not only vote but volunteer.
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2011/04/can-obama-be-beaten.html
Very, VERY good analysis.
“The still, small voice of God in every human soul is the greatest ally of the pro-life cause, and why it will ultimately prevail.”
–Donald R. McClarey
Trump is not a conservative
squeek71 Thursday, April 7th at 10:48AM EDT (link)I am floored when I see conservatives supporting a man who supported Hillary in 2008… a man who has said for years that he is a liberal on health care and that he supports “universal” health care.” There is information out there about Trump’s political statements in the past; it’s just that no one seems to be bothering to do the research. I feel like I am in an alternate universe. A liberal steps in and calls himself a conservative, and oodles of conservatives are willing to take him at his word, even though everything in his past contradicts what he is saying now. The man sent Pelosi a letter telling her, “You are the best, ” when she became Speaker of the House. He told Wolf Blitzer that the economy does better under dems (and that he considers himself a dem)… Blitzer actually had to remind him of Jimmy Carter. The majority of Trump’s political donations have gone to very liberal dems (and when he did donate to republicans, they were Arlen Spector, Charlie Crist, etc.)
I would take Cain or Pawlenty any day over Mr. Trump. Cain is self-made. Trump inherited his dad’s money, and still has had to declare bankruptcy a couple of times on his ventures. Cain has saved a company from bankruptcy… and turned the worst performing district into the best performing district for another company. Cain has always been a conservative. We are supposed to be a party of principles, but it seems to me that many on the right are just as susceptible to “personality” as those on the left.
When asked by Human Events about our deficit, Trump said nothing about cutting spending. He said that he would pressure countries who owe us money to pay up, and that would solve everything. Yeah. I guess we aren’t severely in debt ourselves to China. The man makes no sense, and his positions are not based on conservative principles. Why is he polling well?
I do hope someone else (like Allen West, Paul Ryan, etc.) will jump in. Christie is not my top choice, as I am not assured he would be strong on the War on Terror.
Totally agree on Trump
leftylurker (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 1:59PM EDT (link)He’s just making up a new persona folks.
Trump is no conservative. Not that I am, but man, I would rather see President Palin, who at least believes what she says, than President Trump, who has a proven record of self dealing and dishonesty.
With a Population of c. 3 Million Colonists
Ausonius (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 11:00AM EDT (link)in 1776, we see that America had produced a handful of geniuses and probably more than a dozen near-geniuses with the virtuousness and desire to lead a revolution against England.
We should therefore in theory, with c. 300 million people, have over a 100 possibilities to lead America in this time of mass stupidity.
But perhaps we do not, because of the last 6 words in the previous sentence. 60 years of socialized schooling, of solipsism, of videoism, of welfarism, of hedonism, etc. etc. etc. may have had their effect.
Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.
Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.
Cato@rock.com
AND…Know Your Czars…Before They Hit BIG BRObama’s Unemployment Line in November: http://www.czarcards.us/
Which Just Goes to Show
donnybrooke Thursday, April 7th at 3:17PM EDT (link)that stupidity will out-breed genius any day of the week, but “virtuousness” and genius was always a rare commodity.
“Journalists were never intended to be the cheerleaders of a society, the conductors of applause, the sycophants. Tragically, that is their assigned role in authoritarian societies, but not here — not yet.”
– Chet Huntley -
Christie is a RINO
steelpier1 Thursday, April 7th at 11:12AM EDT (link)The worst thing that could happen to this country would be for a RINO to be elected Pres. I would much rather have a strongly conservative House and Senate and Pinko Dem preasident. Now, Mike Pence would be an incredibly wonderful choice for Pres.
Sorry.
Leon H. Wolf (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 11:50AM EDT (link)Sorry you didn’t have anything useful to add to this conversation but felt like you needed to be involved anyway.
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We can’t stop here. This is bat country.
Christie is a RINO
steelpier1 Thursday, April 7th at 11:12AM EDT (link)The worst thing that could happen to this country would be for a RINO to be elected Pres. I would much rather have a strongly conservative House and Senate and Pinko Dem preasident. Now, Mike Pence would be an incredibly wonderful choice for Pres.
Way to early to evaluate field. Stop eating your young.
iluvit Thursday, April 7th at 11:27AM EDT (link)Conservatives have no patience for a field to develop and strong candidates to emerge. The same people who thought that Huckabee was weak are now some of his strongest supporters now that they know him. Many of our candidates in waiting due to the way the fundraising apparatus works from a legal perspective are fresh faces and not widely know by those outside the political junkie circles. We have the tendency to eat our own straight out of the chute. We let the media attacks such as the unfounded claims that Bachman is totally out to lunch define our views of our own candidates. whether those claims are grounded in fact or not. The prime example of this is Haley Barbour. He has been one of the most successful governors and had broad knowledge and experience. We are sidelined by the Southern drawl ridiculed by the media. However, having know him for many years and seen him in action I know that he would be a strong candidate and Obama would be humiliated in a debate with him. Barbour would crush him. We need to be planting our crops now, not harvesting!!! So get off of this bandwagon of whining and complaining about the field and feeding in to exactly what the media want us to do. We have good candidates already and more will likely emerge and the ones that we already are eying will strengthen as everyone gets to know their views and see them perform on the stump. The game has not even started and half of you on this forum are ready to surrender and do nothing but whine.like spoiled brats. Most of you are violating one of Reagan’s maximums of never speaking ill of a fellow Republican. Also consider the energy that might come from a fresh face in the second spot such as a Rubio fro example. There are many roads to travel before we choose our nominee. Let out method of choosing our nominee work and I think we will do just fine this time around. Concentrateon pointing out that this president is like a deer in the headlights. He is in over his head. We have been told that he is the smartest person in the world but yet he has hidden his transcripts. Harvard Law review had little to do with Academic performance. There is no documentary evidence of such intelligence. He has all but admitted that he did not perform well at Occidental so his acceptance to Harvard was clearly not earned. Sure he can speak and filibuster when questioned but that does not correlate with intelligence. And do not forget about that rocket scientist Joe Biden!
If Obama is the subject how hard can it be
controse Thursday, April 7th at 11:50AM EDT (link)to beat Obama. All we need is aggression. I could be come President. Just put me on the TV everyday saying “Mr. President, show us your papers!” Until he does I’ll become a very famous person. Once he does he is through. For heaven sakes. How hard can it be to beat a sorry sack of Obama.
Mr. President, show us your papers! [pass it on]
Bcomber 38
osis Thursday, April 7th at 12:04PM EDT (link)Dear Bcomber
You think McCain has baggage? Wait until more comes out about Trump. It’ll make Newt look like a puritan.
Who Doesn't
gwf222 Thursday, April 7th at 12:26PM EDT (link)I hear people saying well he’s got to much baggage. Let me ask this, who out there doesn’t? I mean I’ve got a lot of stuff that I wouldn’t want known about myself, imagine how a politician feels. Sure Trump has got a lot of baggage but who are we gonna find who doesn’t. The only reason we don’t have any baggage on Obama is he has spent millions hiding everything about him. People might want to reconsider their love affair with Christie, he is one of those who has never met an illegal he doesn’t love. I was really impressed with him until I read he told illegals that they had broken no law coming here illegally. Mike Pence sounds like he’d be good, but as soon as he says he’s in the race the MSM will be on him like stink on a dog’s butt. Lets face it there has been only one man in our History without sin and they hung him on a cross. Let’s start looking for someone who can get our Country back on the right track. I say Trump the successful business man looks pretty good right now.
Who Doesn't
gwf222 Thursday, April 7th at 12:26PM EDT (link)I hear people saying well he’s got to much baggage. Let me ask this, who out there doesn’t? I mean I’ve got a lot of stuff that I wouldn’t want known about myself, imagine how a politician feels. Sure Trump has got a lot of baggage but who are we gonna find who doesn’t. The only reason we don’t have any baggage on Obama is he has spent millions hiding everything about him. People might want to reconsider their love affair with Christie, he is one of those who has never met an illegal he doesn’t love. I was really impressed with him until I read he told illegals that they had broken no law coming here illegally. Mike Pence sounds like he’d be good, but as soon as he says he’s in the race the MSM will be on him like stink on a dog’s butt. Lets face it there has been only one man in our History without sin and they hung him on a cross. Let’s start looking for someone who can get our Country back on the right track. I say Trump the successful business man looks pretty good right now.
Lets just be patient
Goldwater_Conservative (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 12:19PM EDT (link)this is still way to early, and the real candidates (with the exception of Romeny) are not even known yet to the general public. Thats why you get these crazy polls. As to wheater or not our GOP candidates will end up being “blah” or not only time will tell. Lets give them (Barbour, Daniels, Pawlenty, Hutsnman….) and chance to establish themsleves.
Does Trump make Birtherism cool?
chihank Thursday, April 7th at 12:57PM EDT (link)Trump has a colorful personality and knows how to market himself and companies. He is saying things that conservatives want to hear. He also has the uncanny ability to say outrageous things and not cause firestorm. Imagine if Romney, Huck, T-Paw, or Palin said the same things Trump said about Obama’s birth. Trump seems to have a telfon quality that many Republicans lack. Perhaps the telfon quality of Trump merits a second look at Trump.
Nope.
redinwash Thursday, April 7th at 1:04PM EDT (link)He bankrupted a casino.
Enough said.
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Trump's qualification to be President
chihank Thursday, April 7th at 1:30PM EDT (link)Our nation falling into deep debt. Since Trump’s business ventures have been bankrupted, does this mean Trump has the experience to deal with America’s financial debt?
Also, if Trump is willing to self-finance his campaign and Obama looks solid for re-election, then perhaps we should let Trump have the GOP nomination. Let Trump spent his own money and lose to Obama. while conservatives lay the ground work for 2016 – Pence/Rubio vs Hillary Clinton/Mark Warner match up.
Bachmann vs Trump on Super Tuesday?
chihank Thursday, April 7th at 1:01PM EDT (link)I contend that the 2012 primary is wide open that anything can happen.
Bachmann could win Iowa (esp. if Huck & Palin pass on 2012), thereby ruining T-Paw. Trump could outspend Romney in places like NH, NV, and FL. Thus Super Tuesday could feature a match up between Bachmann vs Trump. Its not so far fetched as it seems.
it may not be
Goldwater_Conservative (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 1:14PM EDT (link)but I think we are hoping its very far fetched
Wow, this comment thread is depressing
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 1:30PM EDT (link)Trump is a patent buffoon, and takes every possible opportunity to prove it when he opens his mouth. The guy is a centrist, at best. Moreover, he’s an extremely stupid centrist staking out positions that appeal to the public but which are breathtakingly counterproductive (see his garbage about trade policy). If he got elected, it would just prove HL Mencken right about everything he said about democracy.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
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Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 1:34PM EDT (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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donnybrooke Thursday, April 7th at 3:20PM EDT (link)How long before Redstate has to ban “Trumpers” too?
“Journalists were never intended to be the cheerleaders of a society, the conductors of applause, the sycophants. Tragically, that is their assigned role in authoritarian societies, but not here — not yet.”
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My only wish is there be NO 2008 candidates
capeconservative Thursday, April 7th at 1:33PM EDT (link)in the 2012 GOP primaries!
What about Bachmann?
Toby Calvert-Lee (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 2:19PM EDT (link)I love Pence, but Christie is a closet liberal. I think Palin would be great but shes clearly not running so I’ve got to go with BAchmann
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WI and Huck
progressivelibertarian Thursday, April 7th at 3:20PM EDT (link)Analyses of the WI supreme court election are confirming what I had been pointing to earlier in my comments here. Relative to the 2010 midterms, WI Blue-collar “Reagan Democrat” type Dems and Indies switched sides back to voting Democratic, likely as a fallout of the Walker vs public unions tussle.
Mike Huckabee has the unique background and ability to bring such voters back to the Republican fold, without sounding like a buffoon or a blowhard as Trump often does.
The FDU poll which showed Huckabee doing the best in GE vis-a-vis Obama (Huck 46%, Obama 46%, but Huck should be ahead in the electoral college math) is real.
A Huckabee/Pawlenty or Huckabee/Jindal ticket would get 325-375 electoral votes or higher send Obama/Biden packing (Obama can go back to being a “Community Organizer” or a “Senior Lecturer,” and Biden back to yackity yack bloviating!)
I don't know how Huey Long Pt Deux
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 5:40PM EDT (link)is any better than the current occupant of the WH, regardless of his ability to win.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Pence gave a great speech yesterday
Paula (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 3:29PM EDT (link)He spoke at a YAF rally on the capital lawn and sounded more presidential than any of the presidential candidates whose names have been tossed around. He has an ability to attack issues rather than people which keeps him above the fray and which I think would really appeal to the all-important independents. He is solidly, uncompromisingly conservative without sounding extreme. Who else can do this???
I suspect concerns about fundraising figured in his decision not to run. How about this: Pence/Bachman on a GOP/Tea Party caucus ticket. Bachman has already raised a boatload of money. She could add the sparkle to Pence’s seriousness and also add the “edge” to criticism of Obama while Pence remains presidential-looking.
I know, I know, nobody’s been elected from the House since the Dark Ages, but a black man had never been elected president before either, so I think all bets are off on this one. Members of the House are showing themselves to be the movers and shakers in the country, while Senate members are looking more and more irrelevant. Harry Reid is the face of the senate and who wants that?
I agree with Erick that Pence should reconsider – for the good of the country. Christie….not so much. In fact, not at all.
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Everytime I hear Pence speak,
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 4:41PM EDT (link)I like him more and more. So what he’s not charismatic. That could be a plus in an ad contrasting him (or DeMint for that matter) with Obama. Charismatic (with pic of Obama) is what got us here. Conservatism (pic of Pence) is what will save us. Cain is a wonderful contrast to Obama as well. A hard-working, self-made man.
In my opinion, Trump is either stupid to harp on the birther issue or he is extremely arrogant and condescending in thinking we the masses are so stupid we’ll be drawn into his drama. As another recent diary here at redstate pointed out, we should be running against O’s record even if there were any substance to the birther issue.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
I totally agree
Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 5:34PM EDT (link)I’ve been thin king the same thing since pence announced he wasn’t running.
Maggie in Indiana
Erick, get a grip!
momofthecastle (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 5:44PM EDT (link)Mr. Trump might be a successful businessman, but look at his private life. If we thought Bill Clinton was bad…..
If I’m going to vote for a President based on CEO experience, give me Herman Cain!
Also, you guys need to be looking at some SUCCESSFUL former governors: Tim Pawlenty, Mitch Daniels. Mr. Pawlenty served 2 terms with Democrat run legislature and succeeded in cutting spending in his state. Mr. Daniels has cut spending, and his “no moral issues” statement has been blown out of proportion. Haley Barbour and Rick Perry are worth looking at, too! They have good 10th Amendment actions behind them, especially Rick Perry.
Mr. Christie is newsworthy, and doing some good things, but on moral issues is not conservative. Mr. Pence, whom I think is absolutely great, has no executive experience. I sure hope he’s planning to get some.
We need to think big picture here. We need more conservatives in Congress, and a President who understands Constitutional restraint. And we need that for 2016, 2020, 2024, etc. We must not be getting into personalities. A personality ran in 2008, and he won. And we have been suffering the consequences ever since.
We need to think morally and virtuously. We need to be moral and virtuous, and elect moral and virtuous people into our government. Anything else is just postponing the complete downfall of The United States.
Chris Christy hasn't proven himself on a state
Juggernaut (Diary) Thursday, April 7th at 8:50PM EDT (link)level but he has the right skills, education and knows how to say what needs to be done and debate the media no matter how snarky. Now Obama didn’t have executive experience so that puts Christy on the same field as former candidate Obama so we could go wrong. I do not believe Christy could be drafted into running so its best for people to continue to ask him because it gives the left all the reason to say the GOP has no front runner which is true but the party is looking for someting that hasn’t emerged in one person but that shall soon. Maybe Trump is the man?
Trump has similar skills with only corporate executive experience but his image is slightly tarnished because he’s the Hamburger Helper of Birthers and its best to drop it unless this is an act.
Trump was a democrat (small problem) after he abandoned the republicans, now he’s back and he has the right education and skills. Problem is he’s a little too arrogant right now and needs to walk it back because he bloviates non issues and suggests we should “TAKE” the oil from Iraq which is just talk to excite voters. Such Iraq talk would never lead to action because we’d end up in another war with Iraq and or other countries seeing the USA becoming the fascist aggressor. Or Congress would have to threaten to impeach Trump to stop such an action. Even though its talk, Trump is giving the Left ammo to take him on if he runs.
RomneyCare is Right Wing Socialism –
Romney “severely conservative”? That’s the opposite of a “compassionate conservative” like George W. Bush? Actually, we know what a severely conservative is. It’s Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney is no Dick Cheney.
Get on You Mark Get Set! Go!
wandafay Friday, April 8th at 12:39AM EDT (link)Okay, so whoever we have now we have now! They are already in front. Why do we talk about Christie if he said no! No means no I thought! So why waste time. I like Trump and watched him/Apprentice from the beginning except for lately. He is not a game player. He means what he says and says what he means. I wanted Romney last time but so many “Christians where so paranoid they didn’t want him to turn this country into Mormon! That was a lie and look who we ended up with! We will see! But I like how Trump is handling things right now! I will just need to see who ends up in the race and what each of them has to say!
We've set ourselves up for disappointment.
LibertarianHawk (Diary) Friday, April 8th at 9:52AM EDT (link)IMO, we have several good candidates from which to choose. The problem, in my estimation, is that many conservatives are too focused on why they shouldn’t support this or that particular candidate rather than why they should.
And when you evaluate candidates that way, it’s easy to come to a conclusion of “none of the above” — because it’s easy to find fatal flaws in just about anybody…when that’s what you’re looking for.
Pence, Ryan, Christie….they aren’t running. Forget about them.
Let’s work on evaluating the candidates we do have….or else we’re going to find ourselves on the losing end of another election.
My guy is Daniels. Yes, I’m well aware of the conservative arguments against him — and, while I respect them, I ultimately reject them.
If Daniels doesn’t run, then I’m looking most closely at Pawlenty or Huntsman.
Glad to see someone else
momofthecastle (Diary) Friday, April 8th at 10:56AM EDT (link)who is doing their homework and not falling for the latest noise on the media circuit.
Let’s keep talking, Hawk!! Maybe they’ll eventually listen to us!
It sounds like Christie
realvoice2010 Sunday, April 10th at 10:36AM EDT (link)wou ld be good with his successful fight (so far) to make the teacher’s union more accountable. This is certainly a conservative stance (but Cuomo is copying him in New York, among his other “important” agenda of legalizing gay marriage. (What is so “gay” about gays anyway)?
Romney has the winning smile but he’s done a version of obamacare in Mass.
Huckabee is a traveling guitar player (traveling around the studio). He loves to strap on that guitar and be in a dream world of pseudo country people.
Trump, at least is telling it like it is, but I hope that he would keep his promises to make Iraq and Afghanistan pay for freeing millions of these clowns. In addition, “blowing the pirates out of the water” sounds very appealing to many of us. I would hope that it is filmed and played over and over again to the world, including algae zero for the mooselims.