Nick Ayers: The Big News You Might Not Have Noticed


I have done my best to ignore Tim Pawlenty. He has never struck me as the most exciting politician. His global warming position made me squeamish. He’s always had an okay record as Governor, but around the edges he struck me as not really a movement conservative.

So I haven’t paid attention to Tim Pawlenty. Then he went and hired Nick Ayers.

For those of you who do not know Nick Ayers, he just finished a very successful tenure as Executive Director of the Republican Governors Association. Wunderkind is a word typically associated with Ayers.

He is a young, principled conservative grounded in an unapologetic faith in Christ. I know him pretty well. He started out in politics and I just took him for being a bright kid in the right place at the right time for Georgia’s Republican tidal wave back in 2002. But he kept being successful. At some point, people like me who were willing to assume it had all been about being in the right place at the right time had to realize Nick Ayers is sharp.

And he is not a sell out — a trait I have more fondness for than most traits among political wunderkinds.

For the past year, Republicans have been in a war to get Nick Ayers. Pretty much everyone has wanted him. Instead, Nick sat on the sidelines, choosing instead to help Reince Preibus’s transition to the RNC.

Everyone assumed, given the closeness of their relationship, that Nick would be going with Haley Barbour. That Nick did not suggests to me that either Barbour is not fully invested in 2012 or he really has no shot of winning.

This is all a long way of saying that this hire forces me to pay attention to Tim Pawlenty and you should too now. Putting a twenty-something in such a position is a bold and risky move. But Nick Ayers’s track record suggests Pawlenty is suddenly a force to be reckoned with — especially for guys like me who were counting him out before he really got started.

Single staff picks are rarely, if ever, game changers. But they can be game starters. To me, that’s what this is. Tim Pawlenty is in it to win it in a way I didn’t think he really would be.


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Tim's the Man!

glennled Tuesday, April 12th at 1:30PM EDT (link)

Of all those currently being named as candidates or maybes, Tim’s the Main Man! He seems to be the one with the best chance to beat Obama. We’ll learn much more about him soon.

I'll go one further, glennled.. Pawlenty could beat any Dem.

acat (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 1:40PM EDT (link)

I don’t think we should base our candidate on the assumption that Obama will be the Dem nominee.

Yes, Obama is the presumptive nominee, just as Hillary was the presumptive nominee in 2008 … and I think the McCain campaign never quite figured out what to do after she lost to Obama.

With Erick’s report that Nick Ayres is the real deal, and having watched Pawlenty for some time, I don’t see where a Pawlenty campaign would have the same bureaucratic inertia that seemed to bind McCain’s team.

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Pawlenty's challenge is to survive Iowa

red_oakster (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 3:43PM EDT (link)

If Pawlenty does well in Iowa, he can compete effectively with Romney or anyone else who wins New Hampshire through the remainder of the nomination season.

But Iowa is a big problem if one or more of Bachmann, Huckabee, and Palin run for president (I’m betting at least two will). Pawlenty has to run at least second in Iowa. If he doesn’t, he’s finished.

If he is the nominee, he’ll cause some headaches for Obama.

Iowa matters less in years with a big field.

acat (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 3:56PM EDT (link)

Unless conservatives unite behind a single candidate, the best anyone will do is a plurality, so all Pawlenty really needs to do is come in within the top half, and do a similar job in New Hampshire.

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I agree, but...

edingerb Thursday, April 14th at 8:46AM EDT (link)

Don’t you mean “… McCain campaign never quite figured out what to do after the Obama camp cheated her out of the nomination…?”

 
 

Pawlenty/Rubio 2012

paramedichess Tuesday, April 12th at 7:59PM EDT (link)

Of our current batch of candidates, I think Pawlenty is the only logical choice. The others are fundamentally flawed (Romney is the Republican John Kerry, Haley Barbour is a long-time lobbyist who won’t appeal to anyone who doesn’t eat grits for breakfast, Newt is so 1995 – with ethics and marital issues to boot). Pawlenty will appeal to independent voters in Ohio, Indiana, Virginia, Pennsylvania and Indiana who no longer trust Obama. Rubio on the ticket will swing the hispanic vote 20-30 points giving us Florida, New Mexico, Arizona and maybe even Colorado. As an added bonus, Rubio would make Biden look like (more of) an idiot in the VP debates. Some may bring up issues with Rubio’s short resume (with Palin comparisons) however two big differences exist. First, unlike Palin, Rubio has established himself on the national stage. He is comfortable doing national interviews, and is well versed in the important issues (much unlike early Palin). Second, unlike McCain, Pawlenty is not 142 years old, and voters will not be so worried about him dying his first week in office. This makes arguments of VP inexperience less important. Unless there is a wild-card that jumps into the race, I’m rooting for a Pawlenty/Rubio ticket (and subsequent 8-year administration).

I question your understanding of Hispanic voters...

acat (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 8:09PM EDT (link)

Florida, yes. Southwest? Not necessarily going to vote for a Cuban…

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Yes, but a commercial in Spanish...

writeblock Tuesday, April 12th at 11:16PM EDT (link)

by Rubio WILL go a long way wherever it plays Besides, just winning FL would get us half-way home.

It's not just about Spanish...

heartlander (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 11:48PM EDT (link)

If the GOP wants to win the Hispanic vote, they need to get out there, loud and proud, with their pro-life, pro-family, pro-small-business core values. Because of those values, Hispanics should be a natural constituency for the GOP. If the GOP will just BE the GOP, that’ll win more Hispanic voters than anything else.

Carly Fiorina adopted that as part of her strategy in California — but unfortunately, she adopted it very late in the game. If she’d come out vigorously, vocally pro-life/pro-family early in the campaign — and made a strong, clear, articulate case for those values in the public arena — we might have had a Sen. Fiorina instead of Sen. Boxer!!

“The still, small voice of God in every human soul is the greatest ally of the pro-life cause, and why it will ultimately prevail.”
–Donald R. McClarey

 
 
 

Pawlenty is acceptable...

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 12:57AM EDT (link)

only to those who do not take into consideration

1. That we’re in a cold, but deadly, civil war.

and

2. That our country’s in terrific danger.

Given these two basic facts to ponder–is he the warrior we want leading us at this time in the nation’s history? Is his record impressive enough? Does he think and act and talk like a true conservative who will take the country back to its first principles?

He’s a nice enough guy. But nobody would argue he’s a strong leader. Yes, he appeals to a common denominator–but shouldn’t we be looking for stronger leadership? Is he really the right guy for the job at this time? Is he even tough enough for the fight? It’s doubtful, given his resume and his temperament.

We don’t get two shots at this. It’s now or never for four years–at the end of which the country could be in ruins. Shouldn’t we expect more when we choose a candidate?

Interesting thought

nhbuckeye Wednesday, April 13th at 2:15PM EDT (link)

calling this political craziness a civil war. Thank you for articulating that. It really is. Progressives, unions, and socialists against the rest of us; giant government vs. personal freedom.

I for one am having a very difficult time finding anyone to stand with for this election, and it is difficult for exactly the reason you said – we need a warrior. I am beginning to understand why I like Chris Christie so much. He isn’t conservative enough BUT he certainly is a warrior. That is also probably why people are liking Trump. He is a warrior.

Writeblock, you are very smart!

 

Spot On if for

Wayne (Diary) Thursday, April 14th at 9:10AM EDT (link)

nothing other than the recognition that leadership in a time of crisis is paramount in society that has lost its identity.

Leading conservatives is like herding cats. Free and independent thinkers don’t warm up to someone suggesting a unified direction. When one takes a snapshot of likely candidates one comes away feeling disappointment on many levels. Are we going to find ourselves settling for the least evil yet again?

The idea that this county could be in ruins in the next 4 years is no stretch. In fact, it may become painfully obvious before the elections.

It would be better to restrain from promoting anyone at this juncture and instead collectively articulate what we need in a leader. If we can agree on that it would then be easier to weed out the ones that are in it for the wrong reasons.

My two cents.

Wayne

“To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” – Thomas Jefferson -

 
 
 

i still want John Bolton

dudette Wednesday, April 13th at 10:26AM EDT (link)

I never forgive Paw for lettig Al Franken become senator

Yes, Bolton definitely

adair Wednesday, April 13th at 12:03PM EDT (link)

And why didn’t Pawlenty lead by suggesting that Minnesota’s election laws be strengthened? Has anyone in the State done anything to correct the egregious cheating possibilities that were used in Franken’s “win?”

Pawlenty has perhaps taken elocution lessons, because his speaking voice seems a little deeper and his attitude a bit more aggressive. But gee, can you see him “going after” Obama in a debate? He might not go so far as that irrascible maverick McCain, and say that Obama would make a good President; but I can’t picture him scoring any searing points.

The mental picture of Obama on the debate stage with Trump, Gingrich, Romney (who might also be just too classy to drub him), Barbour or Bolton elicits a much broader smile.

No on Bolton

paramedichess Thursday, April 14th at 11:52AM EDT (link)

I was undecided on Bolton until recently. I had always been concerned about his ability to build a consensus or provide leadership without isolating everyone who didn’t agree with him. The turning point came with Libya, when Bolton argued not only that we should be there, but that we should have boots on the ground. I will not support another neocon who wants to send our military far and wide intervening in worthless civil wars.

 
 
 
 

As someone who's been watching Pawlenty for years...

acat (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 1:34PM EDT (link)

Initially via Captain Ed, currently over at Hot Air but before that at his solo blog, Captain’s Quarters, I have to say I’m a little surprised by your prior dismissal, Erick.

Pawlenty isn’t an east-coast fire-breather, but he is a game-changer.

Minnesota is a very blue state, and yet Pawlenty is not only popular, he’s been very successful. He’s played the Dem-dominated legislature like a fiddle. If you’re not familiar, go read up on Pawlenty baiting the Dems intto passing a big-spending budget, then turning it into the budget Pawlenty wanted via the line item veto.

Yes, there’s the wobble on climate change, but .. that was before the most damaging evidence saw the light of day, and Minnesota would be very affected by change, so .. while I don’t like it, I can potentially excuse it.

Further, Pawlenty has had his impact in Minnesota without making the kind of left-wing waves Walker kicked up in Wisconsin, or the right-wing waves that are still swamping Daniels. I also don’t see where Pawlenty has any social issues he’ll have to walk back, unlike Romney, or a messy personal life unlike Giuliani or Gingrich.

Pawlenty is also an outsider, and governor of a border state, and while you can’t see Russia from Minnesota, there are a lot more people in Minnesota than Alaska.

I’m sufficiently “outside baseball” that the hiring of Nick Ayres meant very little to me prior to reading your post, Erick, so I’m thankful that you’ve explained it. Glad to hear Pawlenty will be taken seriously. He’s a serious guy and, in this cat’s opinion, would make a great President.

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Wow, that's 2 very convincing endorsements

YnotNOW (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 3:37PM EDT (link)

I guess I like what I’m hearing about Pawlenty, but am not yet sold.

The biggest complaint I keep hearing about Pawlenty is lack of excitement – which in my mind provides a good alternative to the Hype of Mr. Hope & Change.

Will keep my ears open, and consider carefully.

YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?

 

Wow, that's 2 very convincing endorsements

YnotNOW (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 3:37PM EDT (link)

I guess I like what I’m hearing about Pawlenty, but am not yet sold.

The biggest complaint I keep hearing about Pawlenty is lack of excitement – which in my mind provides a good alternative to the Hype of Mr. Hope & Change.

Will keep my ears open, and consider carefully.

YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?

 

I don't know that Daniels has caused "right wing waves"

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 7:03PM EDT (link)

at least, in his state. He managed to get pretty much everything he wanted… a distinction should be made between national primary voters, and state voters. The latter seem generally pleased by Daniels.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

I'm not sure how else to describe what Bill S. calls "Trucers", Asthete...

acat (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 7:49PM EDT (link)

http://www.redstate.com/bs/2011/02/03/no-truces-no-trucers/

Looks to me like a wave…

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Oh, of course

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 8:25PM EDT (link)

I’m just pointing out that the problems that both face are different — Walker essentially has an operational and administrative problem that will effect him going forward into his term, while Daniels’ problem is political and temporary in nature. They’re not really analogous problems in the sense that Governor Daniels’ actions in office are not constrained by it, and were he to become President, his actions would similarly not face a whole lot of constraint (maybe on judges, but that’s a good thing, right?).

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

The difference is that Daniels wants the brass ring...

acat (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 10:28PM EDT (link)

so I see it as both of their paths are stormy. Walker will have trouble running his state, he’s going to have to stay on partisan offense and deliver the goods for the voters or .. end. Daniels has a relatively easier time in Indiana, but .. his self-created kerfluffle will make his shot at the Oval Office difficult.

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They're both errors

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 10:42PM EDT (link)

The point I wanted to make was simply that Daniels’ statement was a *campaigning* error (i.e, will make it harder for him to get elected), whereas Walker’s was a governing error (i.e, will make it harder for him to get things done as Guv).

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

And since Daniels is running for POTUS....

acat (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 10:47PM EDT (link)

even though he seems pretty good on paper, his error is apparently a deal-breaker for most of Red State.

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RS =/= the Republican primary

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 10:58PM EDT (link)

President (or even nominee) Fred Thompson proves that much. I think there’s still a path to the Presidency for Daniels — he has a small hurdle to overcome, but it’s nothing like what Rudy had to deal with. RS amplifies the problem, methinks.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

Definitely agree, Asthete. [nt]

acat (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 10:10AM EDT (link)

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No. He's exactly what we DON'T NEED...

writeblock Tuesday, April 12th at 7:48PM EDT (link)

We desperately NEED an east coast fire-breather, somebody boorish enough to kick the opposition’s ass the way Trump or Christie or Rudy do. Trump is effective because he’s made his billions so he’s unafraid. He doesn’t give a damn what the political in-crowd thinks–and doesn’t have to Now he’s taken to slamming Obama for his associations with Tony Rezko–how crude! how rude! how ungentlemanly! –HOW UNREPUBLICAN!

High time! And don’t tell me he can’t be president or is somehow unpresidential. He’s smart enough to make billions–that’s plenty smart enough to lead this country–certainly far better than somebody like Pawlenty–or Pence or Walker or Ryan or any of the other wimps frequently named around here. My choice is Rudy–who has a little more polish, a little more class. But if Trump gets the job done, more power to him. I’m sick of the gentlemanly establishment. Pawlenty’s their guy according to a recent poll of GOP insider’s. It figures. He’s Rove’s type.

We have a surfeit of wimps in the GOP–from the Bushes back to Dole, forward to McCain in 2008, and now Pawlenty or Romney or Daniels or Boehner or Ryan or Walker or whoever. Give me a fire-breather any day,, somebody who speaks the language of ordinary folks and is willing to call a spade, a spade, smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors, who’ll fight fire with fire. I’m so tired of these nice guys.

Two things

PowerToThePeople (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 7:55PM EDT (link)

that do not seem to be your friend, cognitive thought and reason. You should really spend more time searching those things out before posting the same nonsense time after time after time after time after……………….

Or at least go buy a life size poster of your man love Rudy and take care of your insatiable desire for the guy so you can post “thoughts’ occasionally without trying to patronize this site with nonsense about him.

As a matter of fact...

writeblock Tuesday, April 12th at 10:29PM EDT (link)

…cognitive thought is just what your posts consistently lack. You seem to lie in wait for me to post–so that you can then post your personal attack. But just in case my argument’s really too complex for you to grasp easily–the GOP’s got is chock full of gentlemanly politicians. Pawlenty’s a gentlemanly politician. Ergo, he’s exactly what the Republican Party doesn’t need right now, though he’s precisely what the insiders want.

Yeah, I’m a Rudy man. I’ve never tried to hide it. Why should I? He’s the best man for what the country needs–a true reformer and a fighter. Besides he polls better against Obama than any of the other Washington-crowd GOP favorites. Not that you would appreciate this. Judging from your past posts, you’re pretty poorly informed about his record.

Rudy has a good record

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 10:53PM EDT (link)

and if he showed himself to be a viable candidate, I’d seriously consider voting for him in the primaries. (Not that it would matter, considering that I live in AZ.) He’s got a great record when it comes to slashing spending, cutting taxes, and restoring law and order to one of the bluest areas of the US. (Though with his record as a prosecutor, and some of his policies in NYC, I wonder about his civil liberties stances.) NY GOPers seem very happy with the guy, and they have reason to be.

That said, it’s probably not going to happen: the guy hasn’t been out in the media for years, and his time has passed. That’s unfortunate, but it happens. He would make a great AG, or (if he was so inclined) a fantastic candidate for NY Gov. Beyond that, it’s clear that Rudy wasn’t accepted by the base last time ’round, and if he lost to such a weak field, he’s not going to win in 2012.

Think about it this way — Winston Churchill was the *perfect* man for the job in WWII. He was still great for the job when he lost to that Labour slime after the war. When he lost, it was over — conservatives in the UK would have been fools to keep running him again and again, no matter how great he was for the position (and he was great). Same thing with Rudy — he’s got some great points, but he’s not going to cut it this time around.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

I supported him last time but the time the AZ primary rolled around

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 11:01PM EDT (link)

my only option was to vote for Romney. I liked Rudy a lot but he ran a pathetic campaign and I don’t see him trying again. He would make a great President though.

Change

Reminds me of that joke about the UK re-appropriating the US.

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 11:09PM EDT (link)

If we went back to that, the Queen could appoint Rudy Governor-General of the US and that would be that. Unfortunately, he ran a terrible campaign. I believe that the same would be true of Gary Johnson. I’m starting to see Daniels as another great potential Governor-General who would never be President, as well. Democracy can be a fickle mistress, that’s for sure.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

I concede he ran a terrible primary campaign.

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 1:14AM EDT (link)

But it was because, like Reagan who lost twice in the early primary states, Rudy didn’t have a chance in those back waters. He knew it and tried to work around it–but failed. But it took Reagan three times. Maybe Rudy will be luckier this time around. One thing is certain–he polls well across the country. His name recognition is equal to Obama’s. He polls well in all the battleground states.

 
 
 

He hasn't been out in the media for years?

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 1:07AM EDT (link)

Where do you get your information? HE WAS ALL OVER MA AND NJ DURING THOSE SPECIAL ELECTIONS! He was the ONLY Republican who was asked to campaign for Rubio and Brown and Christie! He was at the cutting edge of all those elections! Not in the media? He’s been to NH just recently and was all over tv in that state. He said last year and this year he might run. Where were you that you took no notice? He was just included in a March 30 poll by Quinnipiac and was cited in the Sacramento Bee as the ONLY Republican potential candidate who beat Obama in a head-to-head.

 

Your comments about Churchill are apt...

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 1:11AM EDT (link)

but not in the way you think. Just the opposite. Rudy’s excluded from the inner GOP circles–but now that the country’s in peril, he’s exactly the kind of man we need at the top. Not some bland get-along-with-the-left type like Pawlenty. We need a fighter who will REFORM Washington, somebody who served under Reagan and knows the intelligence agencies and the Justice Dept. like the back of his hand. He understands executive leadership–he’s been there and done it.

 
 

Even simple

PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 12:06AM EDT (link)

clear language passes over you. Let me explain this in a way that even a second grader could understand, so even you should understand.

I and most others find your nonsense to be trollish, but even setting that aside, watch this.

The sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is blue,

Now, right as I may be, there is not a soul on earth that would want me to tell them one more time the damn sky is blue. Your constant repetitive RUDY RUDY HES THE MAN EVERYONE INCLUDING JESUS SHOULD BE A FAN BS has long past normal into the land of ignorant stupidity. If you are unable to understand this simple logic and be man enough to attempt to change the course of your postings, then you are a moron.

And by the way, you will never find me stating any of the potential contenders are the savior of the party and in fact you will not find a post where I get behind any of them. So you Pawlenty rant has nothing to do with me or my response. And maybe, and I repeat MAYBE, if you had enough moral fortitude to stop trying to pass RUDY off as some messiah, the best thing since sliced bread, admitted his serious weakness and lack of character, admitted it was him who destroyed his own campaign instead of trashing people in IA, SC and a few other states, and stopped trying to act as if there are not serious flaws in the way he governed and appointed people, more people would be willing to engage in dialogue with you and debate. But so far all you have spewed is moronic nonsense and very few if any are buying it.

And don’t play the fools part now about me stating his record. Either name on thing I have stated that was wrong or shove off. Funny you never confront these so called misrepresentations when I state them and or provide links, you wait till the subject is changed and then try to twist it in. In order for your statement to be true it would have had to say this, ” I Write, am so infatuated with my man love Rudy, I am unable to ever be honest about him, his fallacies, etc and for having such a crush on him, I really never have a clue what I am talking about as has been demonstrated by many people including the following, gekster, Neil, Scope, Aaron, and others. I will not mention PTTP because he is mean to me and confronts my nonsense so much, I really hope by not mentioning his name, he will miss this one reply and I can get a little peace.” Sound more accurate?

Are you the ex Mrs. Giuliani?

adair Wednesday, April 13th at 12:14PM EDT (link)

Clever does not suit you

PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 12:35PM EDT (link)

and with such a silly attempt at clever like this, you should slap yourself for the sheer stupidity you just showed this entire site.

 
 
 
 

By the way, that's one thing, not two:

writeblock Tuesday, April 12th at 11:21PM EDT (link)

Cognitive thought and reason are one and the same.

 
 

Sorry, I just don't see it. None of the current east coasters have Pawlenty's record...

acat (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 7:57PM EDT (link)

and there’s more to beating Dems than just breathing fire… Pawlenty’s record speaks for itself.

Trump has no government experience.
Gingrich is too insider, and isn’t much of a firebreather.
Christie is still in his first term as governor. Jury is still out.
Giuliani, your man-crush from a few months ago, seems to be polling okay in New Hampshire, but haven’t seen anything from him in Iowa…

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Your post makes no sense.

writeblock Tuesday, April 12th at 10:49PM EDT (link)

All three men–Trump, Rudy and Christie–have more impressive executive records than Pawlenty. Rudy ran a city (pop. 8,000,000) with a budget many times bigger than Pawlenty’s state (pop. 5, 200,000)–with a much bigger and far more diverse population–and with many more problems with crime and poverty. Yet he excelled on every front. He left the city far better than he found it, with a radically lower crime rate and much much lower taxes–and in the black for the first time in decades. And he did this the way Christie is doing it–by fighting the left tooth and nail. What’s Pawlenty’s record? It’s spotty and full of compromise with the left. He’s simply not a fighter. If he were, Senator Coleman would still be in the Senate.

Gingrich–where did that guy come from? I never had him on my list. I don’t cotton to the guy at all. How is he lumped together with Northeastern executive types? Why put him on my list when I have no use for the guy. He’s the ultimate insider–the opposite of do-ers like Giuliani or Christie or Trump. I wish you’d read my posts before you attempt to refute them. As it is you lack information. Start doing some research on these guys.

I support Rudy for good reason: he’s got a terrific record–and he’s a fighter. Pawlenty has a mediocre record–and he’s a wimp. Of course I realize part of the problem around here is that a lot of you are from parts of the country that benefit from the present primary system. But the nation doesn’t benefit if we support weak candidates–candidates preferred by redstaters only–but not by those Republicans from more critical parts of the country–places like PA, NJ, OH and FL–where my guys do just fine in the polls,

Oh good grief, Writeblock.

acat (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 11:11PM EDT (link)

I’ve answered all of this before.

Trump? He’s a joke, his personal life is arguably messier than Rudy’s, his string of casinos will turn off older conservative voters (gambling is not kosher, to mix a metaphor) and he’s threatening to run as an independent spoiler. Nice hero you got there.

Christie seems like he’s on the right track in New Jersey, fiscally anyway. .. he seems a little unclear on the threat of radical islamist terrorists… and he’s also not running but “hinting” that he’d like to be drafted. I do not think he should be rewarded for being “clever”.

And finally, your man-crush Rudy. Rudy’s got a lot of problems. Messy personal life, for one. He couldn’t get past that last time. His non-starter of a 2008 run for another. Oh, and that doesn’t begin to address that while New York City is high-population and an international border, it’s also *not* a State, and receives a good bit of money from both New York State and the Fed. Finally, when Rudy was running NYC, the U.S. economy was booming. It’s hard to have a bad record running a city during a boom. It can be done – look at some of San Francisco’s mayors…

Mew

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Is Trump a joke?

writeblock Tuesday, April 12th at 11:38PM EDT (link)

Isn’t that the liberals’ meme? Is it a joke to go on the attack against Obama, to ask to see the documents he hides, to question his ties to convicted criminals, to tell the country he’s selling us out when dealing with China or the Middle East. Yeah, he’s boorish; yeah, he’s got a funny haircut, yeah, he’s an egotist. So what? Who would doubt he’s a canny businessman and first-class executive? You’re a little too quick to dismiss his credentials. Let’s see how he polls across the country head-to-head against Obama. Right now he’s got the right enemies–the left.

You admire Christie. You say he’s on the right track. Then what’s your complaint about Rudy. It was Rudy who showed him how–which Christie himself has admitted. So what’s your problem with Rudy?

You say I’ve got a “man-crush” on Rudy. In a way–yeah, I have–but only because the country’s in trouble and I’m looking at a guy with a record who I’m convinced can turn us around. He didn’t just fix New York, he did what most pundits, left and right, said was impossible. He resurrected a dead city. He revolutionized crime-fighting–then showed the other big cities across America–and then the Hemisphere–how to do likewise. He jailed the Mafia. He jailed Wall Strteet billionaire crooks. He fought the unions. He lowered taxes more than twenty times and reduced the tax burden of ordinary citizens by almost 25%. He fired thousands of deadwood bureaucrats. He eliminated tenure for school principals. He sold off privatized public properties and left the city in the black for the first time in decades–a city most people said was dying. So yeah, I’m bullish on Rudy–for good reason.

When guys like you try to convince others a typical politician like Pawlenty is somehow the right man for the job, given his mediocre record–I have to laugh. It’s ridiculous.

As for Rudy’s personal life–who gives a damn how many times he’s been married. If you want a well-married family man, vote for Obama–or Jimmy Carter. It has nothing to do with the presidency of the United States or the ability of a man or woman to lead it. Rudy has great executive strengths. He may be a lousy judge of women, but he’s got credentials as a leader. He showed courage and wisdom on 9/11. That’s a dimension of morality just as important–if not more so in a leader. A good GOP leader should be fearless in opposition–like Trump or Christie–or, yes, Rudy.

No, he's lots of things but "joke" isn't one.

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 11:42PM EDT (link)

Birther? Absolutely.
Fruitcake? Yep.
More ego for less reason than anybody in the world but Barrack? Yep.

Find a new bloggy horse. Trump put a line through his name when indicated he’d run as an independent if he didn’t win the primary. No thanks.

Change

Trump is a non-starter, mbecker908

20jan2013 (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 11:53PM EDT (link)

I can forgive all of what you said except the run as an independent thing. No more Dede’s from New York!!!

http://archive.redstate.com/stories/the_parties/republicans/mitt_romney_lies_about_abortion

 

Yes, Trump's party loyalty's weak...

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 12:05AM EDT (link)

but so’s the loyalty of most Republican tea partyers. People are fed up. Pawlenty’s the choice of party leaders, not the rank and file. As far as I’m concerned, he’s pressing the right buttons and making a stir. People are starting to wonder who this Obama guy is. He’s one of the few people around with the kind of media clout to break through the liberal wall of disinformation about Obama. He’s an important asset. I’m not sure I want him for president either–which is why I support Rudy. But I take him seriously–and like Rush, I like his boorish style. I despise the kind of polite discourse the Bushes and the Roves and the Pawlentys of the party favor. I’m sick of GOP wimpishness. I want a warrior heading the ticket. The country’s in tremendous danger–and we need somebody who can lead us away from ruin. We only get one shot at this. We need somebody tough–who will go for the jugular. That’s not Pawlenty.

"[Trump's] making a stir"

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 12:17AM EDT (link)

Yeah, we can smell the results of that stir.

BTW, wanting someone “tough” could give you Rudy. It could also give you Genghis Khan. Being “tough” doesn’t cut it.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 

You are a fool if you actually believe any of that tripe.

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 12:57AM EDT (link)

Donald Trump could lead a crack whore to a ten pound stash. He’s run his business as a will of the whisp, but he’s made a bunch of money. He’s nothing more than a media star and his numbers come from name recognition. Donald Trump has lived his life standing for nothing but Donald Trump. There is nothing he can do in 12 more important than donating and raising money for the Republican candidate.

He’s a showman and schnook not a leader. Kind of like at least one other frequently mentioned candidate.

Change

make that "couldn't lead" nt

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 1:14AM EDT (link)

Don't be too sure.

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 1:30AM EDT (link)

We’re living in an age of mass media in which Trump’s already a superstar. That means he’s half way home in terms of electability. Pawlenty would spend most of the year and a half just introducing himself to the general public, hoping to best a slick Obama in a debate despite his bland personality and mediocre record.

OK, you're not a fool.

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 5:15PM EDT (link)

You’re an idiot.

Change

 

Thought experiment.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 6:11PM EDT (link)

“We’re living in an age of mass media in which Bart Simpson’s already a superstar. That means he’s half way home in terms of electability. Pawlenty would spend most of the year and a half just introducing himself to the general bublic, hoping to best a slick Obama in a debate depsite his bland personality and mediocre record.”

Yeah, it makes just as much sense if I replace Trump with Bart.

Mew

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writeblock, seeing as how Rudy was the cheater,

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 1:52AM EDT (link)

I’d say his wives were lousy judges of him. And as far as I’m concerned, character counts. Didn’t he also cheat the taxpayers by using city money to cover his trysts? Similar problem with Gingrich. If I can’t trust a candidate to take care of his family, then at the very least I question if I can trust him with the country.

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)

Yeah, character counts. You need to look at 9/11 again.

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 4:14AM EDT (link)

Your standard for character in a leader is faulty. It’s nice if a man is faithful–if we’re asking him to take over a church ministry. But that’s not an appropriate standard for a world leader. I want to know if he’s brave. I want to know if he’s got nerves of steel. I want to know if he’s fiscally shrewd. I want to know if he’s decisive. I want to know if he inspires others. I want to know if he understands good management. A man faithful to his wife doesn’t guarantee having these virtues. Contrariwise, an unfaithful man can have them in spades.

Think of it this way: in a war, if the life of the nation is at stake, private morality like fidelity to one’s wife is not what we look for in a leader. It’s nice, it inspires admiration of a sort, but it’s irrelevant to our primary purpose–to save the nation. Well, we’re in a cold civil war right now. We’re on the brink of disaster. We can’t take another four years of Obama. Given that imperative for leadership, it doesn’t matter what Rudy’s private life looks like. I happen to believe his former wife was a shrew–but that’s neither here nor there. It’s all irrelevant.

rudy has many leadership qualities

Doc Holliday (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 4:32AM EDT (link)

It is a shame we forgot his 9/11 and pre 9/11 leadership so quickly. He did run a poor campaign, and he did have some serious political flaws. Some wanted his abortion stance stamped with the Dobson’s approval. I supported him for who he was, and who he was becoming, but I planned to withhold my vote until he came clean on gun control. I liked him, I wanted him to lead, but I demanded that he would NEVER support more gun control in any way.

In the end, he might have missed his chance, if anything memories are weaker, not stronger. He did great things supporting all Republicans in 2008, he proved he was a gamer for the party. But he likely missed his opportunity and our nation probably missed out on a potential great leader.

Molon Labe!

 

writeblock, my character standard for all

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 3:55PM EDT (link)

is based on Biblical principles. While you may not agree that those principles are necessary for the leader of the country to have, that doesn’t make my standard faulty. I happen to want a leader who embodies as many of these qualities as possible. Certainly, honesty is important. I fully understand that we all have faults and fall short of that standard.

Samuel Adams said, “He who is void of virtuous attachments in private life is, or very soon will be, void of all regard of his country. There is seldom an instance of a man guilty of betraying his country who had not before lost the feeling of moral obligations in his private connections…” I happen to agree with him.

You did not address Rudy’s misuse of taxpayer funds which was not only dishonest but theft in my opinion. And you’re right, it’s doesn’t matter what you believe about his former wife or if all of his wives were indeed shrews. He took vows and broke them. Apparently he has trouble learning from his mistakes.

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)

The misuse of public funds was a lie.

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 4:23PM EDT (link)

It was a made-up charge pushed by the NYTimes at a critical moment in the primary campaign, then retracted on the back pages. There was no truth to it at all. Rudy used his own money to meet with the woman who’s now his wife.

By the way, he also made his extra-marital affair public. There was no attempt to conceal what he was doing. His wife at the time, a typically ego-driven NY tv personality, did all she could to embarrass him publicly long before he started the affair, (she opposed him by starring in an off-Broadway production of The Vagina Monologues, for instance; she refused to act as hostess for public events; she undermined his policies by her own public statements) and was pretty much a shrew. I don’t blame the guy for his new interest. It was wrong, but understandable.

We'll just have to disagree.

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 5:45PM EDT (link)

I see cheating and the deception involved with it as major character flaws. I wouldn’t knowingly go into business with someone having those flaws, and I won’t vote for someone who has them, Rudy & Trump included. As for the misuse of funds, I’ll take your word for the investigation and retraction, although I think it would have taken some pretty stringent accounting to make sure that he didn’t use a dime of public funds on his mistress what with all that traveling, hotels, security, etc. That’s one of the problems with having to hide what you’re doing. One wrongdoing leads to another. As for making the affair public, most of them do when they’re caught.

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)

kowalski, I won't vote for them unless it's a last resort. nt

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 5:47PM EDT (link)

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)

 
 
 
 
 

You're wrong. That charge was retracted...

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 4:10PM EDT (link)

by the NYTimes. It accused Rudy of using public funds–but it was a classic liberal hit piece. After the charges were disproved, the Times buried its retraction on the back pages–after the damage was done.

 
 

Then you need to look more closely at Pawlenty's record.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 10:26AM EDT (link)

I’ll give you this, Writblock, you’re in good company – Erick Erikson also ignored Pawlenty.

Part of this may be cultural – midwesterners don’t respect blowhards and loudmouths. Fire-breathers without results are ignored.

Pawlenty isn’t a fire-breather, he comes across as bland, but he gets results.

Take a serious look at his record. Better yet, go read some of Captain Ed’s stuff. Plug this into google: pawlenty site:captainsquartersblog.com

Mew

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gekster (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 12:13AM EDT (link)

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 
 
 
 

Trump just threatened an Independent run if he doesn't get GOP nod.

Common_Cents (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 11:51PM EDT (link)

That is bad bad news. He is either threatening the GOP, made a back door deal with Obama, or just making waves. All bad.

The good would be if Trump made a deal or wants to, with the GOP to be the fire breathing attack dog proxy on Obama and the left, drawing fire and distracting the other side. He could be another strong “Palin” to draw people in for more populist reasons.

Anyone have any insider info on this?

The last thing we want is an upgraded Ross Perot throwing out populism to take more than 19% of the vote. I see the mood of the country and Trump reaching quite a few people to be a big spoiler.

I’d say he is just grand standing now, showing his force and gaining leverage with either side, as he is a PR opportunist.

A back room deal will be made, but with who and for what?

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”
-Ben Stein

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche

I was a dumb college kid that voted for Perot

Common_Cents (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 11:52PM EDT (link)

But now with the wisdom of hind sight, see how that gave us Clinton.

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”
-Ben Stein

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche

Oops. forgot to add Trump's latest quote

Common_Cents (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 11:55PM EDT (link)

“I am very conservative,” said Mr. Trump. “The concern is if I don’t win [the GOP primary] will I run as an independent, and I think the answer is probably yes.” Mr. Trump said he thought he “could possibly win as an independent,” adding, “I’m not doing it for any other reason. I like winning.”

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/04/11/trump-will-probably-run-as-independent-if-he-doesnt-win-gop-nomination/

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”
-Ben Stein

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche

Trump likes "winning", hope it's not Charlie Sheen's type winning outcome. nt

Common_Cents (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 11:56PM EDT (link)

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”
-Ben Stein

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche

 
 
 

this makes Trump fair game for opposition research by the GOP -nt

Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 11:59PM EDT (link)

Molon Labe!

 

Yeah, Trump's a danger...

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 12:20AM EDT (link)

But it’s the GOP’s own fault. It is too weak. It’s too irresolute to resolve the nation’s crisis It doensn’t have a clue as to how to make its case to the public or how to tame a biased press. It chooses to support mediocrities as candidates. It’s lost its ability to listen to the rank and file. So it brings this on itself to a great extent.

That said, it’s an indication of Trump’s strength that he knows how to put fear into the Republican establishment. This is another indication he understands how to play very very rough. If we harness that, he may be just the ticket. This is part of Trump’s strategy imo. But it’s a clear danger just the same. Anything can happen.

"Whoever sends a message by the hand of a fool cuts off his own feet and drinks violence."

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 12:28AM EDT (link)

-Proverbs 26:6

(Applicable to Trump and the rest of the “firebrands”.)

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 

I agree he could have some potent tactics in this climate

Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 12:38AM EDT (link)

But does he really have good intentions and the right substance for America?

That IS the question for Trump. Unknown.

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”
-Ben Stein

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche

I don't know.

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 1:36AM EDT (link)

Just the same, my doubts about Trump supercede my interest in still another bland candidate–whether it’s a Dole or a Bush or a McCain or a Pawlenty. I’m tired of Democrats lite, even if they’re pro-life. That’s no longer good enough. The country’s on the brink of disaster. After 2012 it may be too late to turn the nation back to first principles. I’m not sure about Trump–but I know one thing–he’d make a stronger candidate than Pawlenty.

 
 

Rudy not my cup of tea

chihank Wednesday, April 13th at 11:12AM EDT (link)

Rudy is not my cup of tea, but I would consider voting for Rudy over Romney becuase Rudy is more honest on where he stands.

It could be that Rudy and Trump are just toying with running for President just to increase their net worth. Anyway, we will know if Trump is serious about the running in June.

 
 
 

Writeblock says it like I feel

oi812 Wednesday, April 13th at 10:44AM EDT (link)

At some point you have to turn around and smack the bully no mater how nice you are. It is past time to take the gloves of and get it on. We need a scrapper . Republicans need to quit preaching to the choir and go after the uneducated .

burp

And does the scrapper have to be a loudmouth?

acat (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 10:49AM EDT (link)

Because, again, if you look at what Pawlenty has actually *done*, he is a fighter.

Mew

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Yeah.

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 4:37PM EDT (link)

When the Democrats say Republicans want to kill old ladies and starve little kids, what’s the GOP response? –Nothing. When Christie calls union bosses “thugs”, what’s the Democrat response. –Loud and clear repudiation, expressions of outrage, etc.

Republicans need to start fighting fire with fire. The Bush nice-guy years left the party in a shambles. He never fought back, even when doing so would have been easy. He never used the Espionage Act to pummel the NYTimes, for instance, when it published secret documents that gave comfort to the enemy. He never fought back–ever. Neither will Pawlenty. It’s just not in them. They’re not raised to do this. They are trained to be well-mannered. The bullies never get a sock in the kisser.

Look at how permissively Walker let the protesters in WI trash the capitol building, block lawmakers’ movements, threaten lives, lawmakers’ families, businesses.Compare his lack of even a public rebuke to Cuomo’s forcefulness in NY. Cuomo arrested 17 protesters just for blocking access to the capitol building–and he did this only days after the protests began. Walker’s a typical mild-mannered GOP pol.

Way to make the case about Pawlenty by citing things he did. Oh, wait...

acat (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 4:42PM EDT (link)

You instead cited Bush 2.0, who I agree was not a scrapper, and Walker, who avoided giving the unions a martyr by not arresting the capitol protestors.

You’re proving the old saying “Sell the sizzle, not the steak” – your candidates are old shoe leather and yet you cling to them.

Mew

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Bush vs Palin

chihank Wednesday, April 13th at 4:48PM EDT (link)

Writeblock, you bring up an interesting point on countering liberal attacks. How should conservatives respond to attacks? When liberals cry, “Bush lied! Our troops died for Big Oil!”, Bush just sits quitely. When Palin responds to liberal attacks, she’s accused of being a thin-skinned whiner.

What should be the appropiate response to liberal slander?

The appropriate response should be one of substance.

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 5:40PM EDT (link)

And for starters, Palin’s response speechy thing when she “retired” as Governor of Alaska was the least substantive string of crap ever put out to the media.

In fact, while she is very capable of doing a fantastic job of sticking her thumb in BOs eye (death panels, etc) when she is the “victim” of personal attacks that, in the big leagues should be ignored until you can get even, she is a thin skinned whiner. And that’s how the great unwashed middle – who incidentally will elect the next President – view her. She’s got very little time to turn around her F/U ratings which peaked about the time Obama got elected and have steadily gone to hell since.

Change

 
 
 
 
 
 

Nice analysis, acat.

Right Reason (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 8:32PM EDT (link)

Particularly the part about Pawlenty getting it done without the fireworks. We’ll have enough trouble with the media regardless of who the nominee is. The lack of battle footage would be a plus.

Interesting take on the climate change bit as well. I’m inclined to be a little less forigving of the mistake. Instinct should have told him that the whole thing was a red herring. But he has come out rather publicly and admitted his earlier positions were a mistake. Poltically motivated, perhaps, but the subtext said he understood that the government fiat approach was wrong and I think he can be counted on not to repeat the mistake.

I didn’t appreciate the significance of the Ayers move either, but as Erick describes it, I think it speaks volumes for Pawlenty.

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.

- Winston Churchill

What has Pawlenty "got done"?

writeblock Tuesday, April 12th at 11:00PM EDT (link)

Has he fired bureaucrats by the thousands? Rudy did.

Has he consolidated agencies, sold off public properties, drastically reduced crime and converted welfare to workfare? Rudy did.

Has he fought unions, race hustlers, the NYTimes and major networks? Rudy did.

Has he REFORMED his state the way Rudy has REFORMED his city? No.

You guys make me laugh. Pawlenty’s just another Democrat lite –like Boehner, like Bush, like Dole, like McCain Yeah, he’s pro-life. But that doesn’t impress me when the country’s about to fall off a fiscal cliff. We don’t need another ditherer, another smoke and mirrors genius.

Rudy's not running.

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 11:15PM EDT (link)

You know I think Rudy would have been the best President since Reagan (a low bar) but would have really done good things. He obviously wasn’t interested in getting elected. FWIW I supported him.

This time around he’s just got too big an albatross around his neck based on his last effort, which simply sucked.

You know, you’re as bad or maybe worse than the Palinbots around here who traded their little brains for Palin statutes that they can dress up like Jesus or Joan de Arc. It will be good when either it’s obvious Rudy’s not running or he actually says so because then maybe you can make a contribution around here.

Change

Neither is Pawlenty. Neither is Romney. Neither is...

writeblock Tuesday, April 12th at 11:52PM EDT (link)

Sarah. Neither is Huckabee. Neither is Newt. Nobody’s running. They’re all testing the waters. So’s Rudy–he has said as much many times in the past few months. Only Quinnipiac put him in its polls, along with other potential candidates–and surprise! surprise! –he was the ONLY potential GOP candidate who beat Obama in a head-to-head poll of adults nationally, 51% to 48%.

Actually both Pawlenty and Romney have formed

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 1:11AM EDT (link)

have formed exploratory committees and TPaw went so far tonight to actually say “I’m running for President”.

You are pathetically ignorant about polling. The head to head stuff is utterly meaningless at this point whether it’s vs BO or R v R. Trump has name recognition and that’s the only thing his poll numbers are reading since he’s said exactly nothing about policy or programs and I’m pretty sure he’ll make a complete fool of himself when he does. Oh, and if you’re going to quote polls link to them. And polls of “adults” are especially worthless.

Change

And here's the video...

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 1:30AM EDT (link)

Exploratory committees is just another stall...

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 1:39AM EDT (link)

It’s fun and games. Rudy said he might run. He just visited NH. Was it for his health? Sure he’s running.

 
 
 
 

See above reply, Writeblock. Your east-coast guys don't hold up. [nt]

acat (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 11:20PM EDT (link)

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It's been 10 years since Rudy was mayor

Right Reason (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 11:47AM EDT (link)

His resume is quickly becoming a history book.

Rudy’s got way too much personal baggage and his positions on social issues are too big a hurdle for him to jump. No matter how unfair you think this may be, it’s a fact.

Also, New York City is not in such great shape now. Though it’s admittedly someone else’s fault, it’s going to be difficult for Rudy to say, “Look what I did for NYC” when the place is a wreck. It’s like showing someone all the remodeling work you did on your last house after the current owners have trashed it. It’s not your fault, but your work doesn’t show anymore.

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.

- Winston Churchill

 
 
 
 

This is indeed a big deal.

EcH90 Tuesday, April 12th at 1:38PM EDT (link)

I’ve shaken my head at the skepticism that many conservatives have for Pawlenty–he’s got a great record, particularly considering where he’s from, and no one is without blemishes–and hopefully the pick up of Nick Ayers (who is difficult to praise enough) can get more of us to look at him seriously.

Personally...

writeblock Tuesday, April 12th at 11:11PM EDT (link)

The fact that Pawlenty is the choice of GOP insiders tells me all I need to know about his problem as a candidate and as a conservative. He’s all words without the music. He TRIES to sound like a conservative–but it’s not instinctual, not second-nature. He doesn’t say or do things that are conservative–he only makes speeches appealing to conservatives in a very studied way.Listen to Trum or Christie or Rudy and the way they talk. Yeah, they’re blunt, they’re rude, but they’re relating to the way the masses feel and think. When Christie calls unions “thugs” or when Rudy hands back a 10 million dollar check to a Saudi prince after 9/11, they act and speak from the gut. Trump is going after Obama for his ties with Tony Rosko–would Pawlenty do this? Not in a million years. He’s too nice, too gentlemanly, too polite.

This country is IN DANGER. The guys some of you call fire-breathers, I call FIGHTERS. They fight the opposition. People like Pawlenty, to me, are part of the problem and have been for fifty years as far as the GOP is concerned. They’re too nice to make good leaders in precarious times like this. I want a warrior, not another nice guy.

Just which GOP insiders do you mean, Writeblock?

acat (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 10:30AM EDT (link)

Me?
Becker?
Asthete?
Common_Cents?
Rightwingmom?

Cite it. Which “insiders” are you talking about here?

Mew

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Skeptics Will Ask: If Your Man Does Not Sell Out

Ausonius (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 1:43PM EDT (link)

why is he working now for Pawlenty?

Has Pawlenty really forsaken warm and gooey positions inimical to America’s future?

Or is he just being dressed in Conservative clothing for the nomination process?

I am willing to be convinced of the former: people do change occasionally for the better. An environmental auto-da-fe would be nice.

On the other hand, candidates from Minnesota are 0-4.

Stassen, Humphrey, McCarthy, and Mondale. But there is a first time for everything! :)

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0-4, but not Republican nominees

nepanyrush Tuesday, April 12th at 2:07PM EDT (link)

Other than Harold Stassen, the other candidates you list that make Minnesota presidential candidates 0 for 4 are Democrat candidates and Harold Stassen never received the GOP nomination.

Pawlenty is starting to grow on me as an acceptable candidate who can win. I love Palin, but the media has created a lot of misinformation about her that sticks with the uneducated. I like Romney, and believe he can win, but Romneycare and his changing views of social issues make me uncomfortable. Maybe Pawlenty, who is a social and economic conservative, can get the country back on the right track.

Minnesota Candidates

Ausonius (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 3:15PM EDT (link)

Yes, I know about that Stassen – who became a national joke – was the only Republican.

The point is that some people – older voters – might associate Minnesota with Dem losers. Or that any Republican therefrom, because of Dem influence up there, tends toward RINOism.

As I mentioned, I am willing to be convinced that Pawlenty is legitimately conservative. I would hope others will also give him a chance to succeed.

Ultimately the question is: How hungry is he?

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Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.

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Nick Ayers gave an impressive RGA presentation at the gathering last year

bk (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 3:37PM EDT (link)

which was a refreshing change from the endless NRSC foot-shooting. This announcement definitely caught my eye.

For a chuckle, check out this little Ayers piece in Vanity Fair. I came across it thanks to Google. I normally wouldn’t read anything at VF, but this one was quite funny (intentionally so).

 

Pawlenty by default

exitsfunnel Tuesday, April 12th at 4:22PM EDT (link)

I’ve said all along that unless some wild card (ie, Christie) jumps in the ring, it will have to be either Pawlenty or Daniels almost by default. With the exception of Romney there are just no other serious candidates running, and I don’t see how Romney can possibly overcome all of the downside he had in 2008 plus RomneyCare. So it will be either Pawlenty or Daniels and though my preference between the two is Daniels, I don’t think that he is going to run ultimately, and even if he does, I don’t think that he will get past Pawlenty.

-exits

My thinking is similar to yours exit.

carolina Tuesday, April 12th at 6:10PM EDT (link)

I really do not like ‘slick’ Romney. I like Daniels. I look forward to learning more about Pawlenty.
Will the Minn dems try extra hard to stab him in the back? Hopefully not.

 

My thinking is similar to yours exit.

carolina Tuesday, April 12th at 6:10PM EDT (link)

I really do not like ‘slick’ Romney. I like Daniels. I look forward to learning more about Pawlenty.
Will the Minn dems try extra hard to stab him in the back? Hopefully not.

 

I think you're right

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 6:59PM EDT (link)

We could definitely do much worse than T-Paw (though his general wishy-washyness, and his stance on climate change, disturb me).

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Yep.

phenry Tuesday, April 12th at 4:53PM EDT (link)

I’ve seen this coming for a while now. Pawlenty has an excellent path to the nomination if he doesn’t screw up. While everyone else is out there fighting, he’s quietly making the right moves. Like a Scott Walker or a Reince Priebus, he’s a quiet, friendly, nice guy that independents and even Dems might feel comfortable voting for, despite being a conservative for the most part (cap and trade excluded). He’s sitting right at the sweet spot between the Tea Party and the establishment, and he has a smart head on his shoulders. Not my cup of tea, but from a political standpoint he’s sitting pretty right now.

 

Common Sense Conservatives

Goldwater_Conservative (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 4:58PM EDT (link)

will realize that the only common sense choice is going to be Pawlenty. Once we all come to the realization that there isnt a perfect candidate, in fact no one is even close, the only candidate left that I think everyone can still get behind is Pawlenty. He has the resume, he hasnt throughly pissed off anyone, and he is likable enough to be President of the United States.

So now we're willing to pick a candidate by default?

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 1:46AM EDT (link)

At a time when the nation is hovering on the brink of ruin? How much sense does that make? Shouldn’t we be judging candidates in terms of strength of personality as leaders? Shouldn’t we be judging their records? This is not only incredibly stupid, it’s e repeat of what happened in 2008. McCain got the nod by default. We saw how that worked out.

 
 

Nick Ayers and his DUI?

Cheetah772 (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 5:36PM EDT (link)

How would that affect Pawlenty’s campaign? Didn’t Pawlenty had the same problem with Ben Foster, an Iowan staffer who got drunk and did something stupid?

I’m just wondering…it’s not that Ayers can’t run Pawlenty’s campaign, after all, look at George W. Bush’s track record. He got straightened out by Jesus Christ and stopped doing that, so that proves DUIs don’t necessarily ruin an aspiring politician’s career.

I’m sure Pawlenty took that into his consideration when deciding on a chief to run his campaign. And in all, I wish him the best of luck in winning the Republican nomination.

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So why bring it up? (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 5:42PM EDT (link)

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The reason I brought it up is because...

Cheetah772 (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 6:09PM EDT (link)

this was the first time I have heard of Nick Ayers, so I did some quick research on his background and found some articles on his DUI. Mind you, there are plenty of other articles praising his talent.

In all sincerity, I only wanted to know more about Ayers, and I was interested in whether his DUI would have greater impact now that Ayers (and Pawlenty) will be in national news more often than when Ayers managed RGA. Nonetheless, if his talent is that big, then I’m sure he will do well for Pawlenty, either win or lose the Republican nomination.

It was simply a sincere question, nothing more or less than that.

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Ah

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 6:17PM EDT (link)

Well, we like Nick Ayers. He spoke at the 2010 RedState Gathering. :)

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That explains it, no wonder you were defensive of him....

Cheetah772 (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 6:31PM EDT (link)

Your first reply to me sounded like you wanted to put me on spot. So, I apologize if my first comment sounded like a sharp criticism of Ayers. I did not mean that.

Obviously, I did not attend the 2010 Redstate Gathering event, so I didn’t know about Ayers. I would have loved to attend if an interpreter were provided, but that’s okay.

That’s all.

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I can give you an alternate reason, Neil

20jan2013 (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 10:22PM EDT (link)

It speaks to Pawlenty’s lack of judgment that he would engage in a pattern of hiring drunk drivers to work for his campaign. In the article at

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/04/nick_ayers_drunk_driving_pawlenty_campaign_manager_dwi_dui.php

Pawlenty said, “He’s got more wisdom and discernment and insight than most people two or three times his age.”

I see nothing wise about getting drunk, getting behind the wheel, trying to drive away and hide when realizing a trooper was following him, refusing to cooperate with law enforcement by taking a breath test, and lying to the trooper about how much he had to drink (one drink).

Pawlenty put this in the public domain as an issue of Pawlenty’s judgment, “wisdom and discernment and insight.” Some conservatives think this is no big deal. As a victim of a drunk driver, I do.

http://archive.redstate.com/stories/the_parties/republicans/mitt_romney_lies_about_abortion

 
 

I can't believe some of the comments on this thread.

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 1:50AM EDT (link)

The GOP is way too obsessed with moral rectitude. We’re in a WAR. Some of you just don’t get it. We need soldiers to fight in it–not to run a church picnic.

some people live their whole life like that Write

Doc Holliday (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 2:02AM EDT (link)

they are not going to change. Some people go to church on Sunday and then spend the other 6 days trashing other people for their personal failings, to them it is a quite normal way to live, and yes, many of them are in our “coalition”. Republicans tend to eat their own, just one more handicap we have in fighting these wars, the others I have mentioned countless times and are well known to all.

Molon Labe!

 

But that is what set us apart from the Democrats

Cheetah772 (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 9:08AM EDT (link)

We should be concerned about moral rectitude in our candidates and people who work for them. The Democrats don’t care about that, and that type of attitude has put America on the wrong track that could very well lead to destruction.

As I said in my first comment, I don’t have a problem with Ayers. Everybody at some point, depending on circumstances, deserve a second chance. He did not kill anybody driving drunk, but it does indicate he might lack common sense occasionally. The only reason I brought it up was because I didn’t know Ayers that much, and wanted to know if his DUI would have greater impact on Pawlenty’s campaign, now that he’s going to be in national news more often.

Nothing more or less than that.

Yes, we’re in a war, and we need soldiers. But even our military takes time to screen out unwanted recruits and make sure our soldiers don’t end up becoming psycho killers. Nobody wants that. Thus, it shows us that some kind of moral rectitude is still needed, even in the times of war.

Daniel 2:20 And he [God] changeth the times and seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.

No. What sets us apart--aside from policies--

writeblock Wednesday, April 13th at 4:45PM EDT (link)

is our wimpishness.

 
 
 
 

Are we voting for Nick Ayers?

TS Atomic Tuesday, April 12th at 6:32PM EDT (link)

Or are we voting for Tim Pawlenty?

I have no reason to doubt the wunderkind label attributed to Ayers, but the question that keeps nagging me is:

If Pawlenty is “The One”, why has he been (relatively speaking) waaay low on the radar and now requires some of Ayers sorcery to elevate him into being a “high on the radar” contender?

that’s awkwardly phrased… How about, “would you be giving him as much attention without Ayers? Is Ayers the main reason (and not the actual candidate)?

It just reeks of Ayers being some kind of a king-maker and Pawlenty wouldn’t have a shot otherwise. As if you could substitute a ham-sandwich for Pawlenty — if Ayers joined the ham-sandwich’s team.


What can not be remedied, must be endured.

Pawlenty's been getting serious talk for years

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 6:49PM EDT (link)

Many of us thought he’d run last time.

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I don't know if he's "the one", but he did a good job

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 8:14PM EDT (link)

of passing center-right to conservative legislation in one of the most liberal states in the nation. He successfully fought the unions – not to the extent Mitch Daniels or Scott Walker or Chris Christie have – but he’s done a very good job for MN. He’s got a lot of really high profile conservative fans and he won reelection, served two full terms and left the Republican Party stronger and more conservative than they’ve been in a century.

He is about as exciting as a piece of toast for a mid-afternoon snack, but personally I find executive competency very refreshing in a candidate.

Change

 
 
 

My wild prediction:

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 7:09PM EDT (link)

It’s going to be T-Paw. Palin is going to endorse him (though she might do a half-hearted Presidential run to boost her celebrity first), and he will generally be supported by both establishmentarians and some grassroots voters encouraged both by his record and Palin’s endorsement.

Huck, Romney, and the retreads (great band name) will be rejected for their big-government tendencies or for being uninvolved in politics (i.e., Rudy). The libertarian candidates (Paul and Johnson) are too out there for many voters (which is unfortunate in the case of Johnson. Rick Santorum… heh. The outsiders with business experience (Cain, Trump, and others) won’t be able to get any name recognition that is positive. Congressmen have too limited a base of support to draw from. Daniels has been hurt by his “truce” statements, and might not run anyways. Therefore, T-Paw.

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I regret to inform you that you are probably right, Aesthete. nt

20jan2013 (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 10:24PM EDT (link)

http://archive.redstate.com/stories/the_parties/republicans/mitt_romney_lies_about_abortion

I have trouble seeing this as a bad thing.

acat (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 10:35PM EDT (link)

Pawlenty has results in a very blue state. He didn’t get them by being a Chris Christie fire-breather, he got them by being smart and playing hardball when it counted. I’ll take quiet competence, hands down, every time.

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We could do much, much worse

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 10:44PM EDT (link)

Personally, I have no problem with Calvin Coolidge 2.0, if that’s who Pawlenty ends up resembling.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
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I see on many blogs

dog_nut Tuesday, April 12th at 8:28PM EDT (link)

that Pawlenty gets ripped as bland and non-conservative by non-Minnesotans. I haven’t heard a Minnesotan say a bad thing about him yet. I gotta believe he will look all the better the longer Dayton-Hudson is the governor. All’s I know is that we would’ve given our left umm, leg to have had him in MI instead of two-penny Jenny Granholm the last 8 years.

Minnesotans, tell us more about Pawlenty.

MN here. Pawlenty needs to be Pawlenty.

Common_Cents (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 11:42PM EDT (link)

He is more pragmatic and well thought out. More substance than style.

I hope he doesn’t get advice to be someone(firebrand) that he is not. It will come off as disengenuous like Bobby Jindal did in his reply to SOTU. Watching his CPAC speech I cringed a little seeing that he got advice to turn up the volume. He came across a bit angry and not his genuine self. It’s going to be a fine line.

He came across pretty well on his Daily Show visit last summer.

It will depend on the mood of the country. Voters might just well be sick and tired of teleprompter rock star obama and go for a real genuine person.

Or we may have passed the tipping point of dumbing down of America searching only for the next American Idol POTUS(I hope not.)

These days we all say, “Wow, the next election is so important to our future.” I have to say this next one really will give us a good look at the reality of America’s future.

Pawlenty isn’t going to be an inspiring rock star or have charisma like Reagan. I hope America wakes up to reality. I hope Pawlenty see’s past the advice his handlers may give him on image and be himself.

I’m not endorsing anyone at the moment. That’s what primaries are for IMHO, especially w/ an open field.

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must prove they are a citizen.”
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Pawlenty has no "yeah but" baggage

nvrepub (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 10:43PM EDT (link)

Each major GOP candidate has a “yeah but”…

Romney: Yeah, but… RomneyCare.

Barbour: Yeah, but… was a lobbyist, and talks like Foghorn Leghorn.

Gingrich: Yeah, but… his messy personal life.

Palin/Bachman: Yeah, but… she’s likely unelectable.

Huckabee: Yeah, but… he’s a fiscal moderate.

And the list goes on. Pawlenty ain’t exciting, but he has no disqualifying “yeah, but”.

He has some.

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, April 12th at 11:00PM EDT (link)

Climate change, a less-than-active first term, and a seeming lack of commitment, as well as possible communication problems. That said, I think you’re right that his negatives are very, very low. A low-profile candidate who keeps the focus on Obama might be just what we need in 2012.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

Left off an important one - Daniels: Yeah, but .. the whole "truce" thing. [nt]

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At least, it's a break from the ongoing "overreaching optimism for Donald Trump" that's driving me crazy!

johnthebaptistmoore Wednesday, April 13th at 5:13AM EDT (link)

If she’s going to run for ’12 President, then I do hope that Sarah Palin, officially, starts running, asap, and then, puts an end to all of this “Sarah Palin can’t win!” crap. Either, Sarah Palin/Herman Cain, or Sarah Palin/Allen West would make a decent ’12 Presidential ticket, IMHO.

 

Easily Pandered

kervick Wednesday, April 13th at 5:43AM EDT (link)

Pawlenty seems to have nothing going for him, but presto, he hires a guy who says he loves Christ. All of a sudden he may the THE guy. Is that all it takes to win your hearts and minds?

 

If the GOP leadership had Trump's

radicalrighty Wednesday, April 13th at 6:50AM EDT (link)

boldness, Obama likely would have been found ineligible to even run for the White House.

And why is a “messy personal life” only a negative for GOP candidates?

Jeez, look at the guys the Dems’ run out there: Carter – filed bankruptcy on his peanut business; Bill Clinton – well, do I start with Whitewater or hiring an attack dog to “deal with bimbo eruptions?”; and the Anointed One – yes the ex-drug using (and most likely drug selling) candidate with a list of friends that would make Bin Laden blush, as well as shady home buying deals, raised as a Muslim, hiding college and even birth records, etc.

All three of those Dems WON, yet the GOP candidate can’t have a mole on his behinds?

Sooner or later, we will have to learn to trot out a candidate that will fight fire with fire, to not care if our guy (or gal) goes to church and tithes, or if they have ever had sex with someone other than their spouse.

There is too much at stake now to nit-pick a candidate who may have the stones (and right now Palin and Bachman have more stones than most) to call-a-spade-spade, and a-cheating-liar-a-cheating-liar.

Radical - because to win the primary and the general, ya gotta win the South.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 10:37AM EDT (link)

and the Southern Republicans tend to be socially quite conservative. One might say Religious Conservatives.

To that mindset, a messy personal life indicates moral problems, and they won’t vote for someone with moral problems.

Also – reply-to-this is your friend since, obviously, this is not in reply to Nick Ayers’ piece.

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Daniels

gunslingr45 Wednesday, April 13th at 8:28AM EDT (link)

is too much of a wimp. He would not stand up for right to work and caved in to much on other things other than the food tax for 6 or 7 counties so that Jim Irsay would not run off. And you thought we did not negotiate with thugs.

Life was good when our dems ran off. Then they had to go and come back.

 

Reading these posts makes me wonder....

dwscho Wednesday, April 13th at 9:12AM EDT (link)

whether we who call ourselves, the right, conservatives, Republicans, tea party members, etc are too disorganized and busy fighting among ourselves to allow an excellent candidate to emerge which the majority of us could support. Bring up a name of a potential candiate and the harsh commentary begins. It’s not surprising that an individual with excellent credentials and experience would ever consider entering the political fray. They will get torn apart before the battle even gets underway. Who wants or needs that?

It would be great, for a change, if people could express their thoughts about potential candiates without having to endure the sometimes vociferous attacks from other posters. Isn’t that what public discourse is all about. Let’s talk about the pros and cons of a potential candidate with some degree of civility. Then lets see how they all get through the primary process and rally around the winner who, presumably has been chosen by the most votes, to be our standard bearer. Maybe then, we might have a better chance of winning back the White House and the Senate.

It seems we fight so much among ourselves we lose sight of who the real enemy is, Obama and the far Left.

Last time that happened, dwscho, the name was Reagan.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, April 13th at 10:42AM EDT (link)

and he did it by nearly winning in 1976 and never ending his campaign. January 1977, he was out giving speeches and writing op-eds. By the time 1980 rolled around, conservatives were relatively united (uniting conservatives is a little like herding cats, don’cha know) behind him, and he won the nomination.

Palin never stopped running… in early 2009 she was giving speeches, and had a noticeable impact on 2010 etc. etc.

Romney never ended his campaign… although I don’t see where he actually did anything public….

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Watch the winner of New Hampshire, and watch the conservatives split their vote, giving a moderate a plurality in Iowa.

There are simply too many conservatives convinced that they’re the one – whatever happened to humility, eh?

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