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The Media Skirts Past Sarah Palin’s Uterus and Truthers in Search of Birthers

By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  April 25th, 2011 at 07:00 AM  | 

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There is no need to write ten thousand words to highlight what is perhaps the very best example these days of profound liberal bias in the media.

Andrew Sullivan is now working for the Daily Beast and Newsweek after spending a great deal of time at the Atlantic. No one in the media cares to note that Andrew Sullivan is obsessed with Sarah Palin’s uterus and whether Trig Palin once resided there. His obsession amounts to Tourettes on a keyboard coupled with some form of mental illness.

But the media embraces Andrew Sullivan. Harvard Magazine just named him the world’s best blogger. Wonkette, the site that used to be slightly funny, followed up on Andrew Sullivan’s obsession last week and suggested that Trig Palin is actually the incestuous love child of Todd Palin and his daughter. They also howled with laughter about his Downs Syndrome.

The media yawned.

In 2006, Scripps Howard found that more than half of all Democrats believe George W. Bush was complicit in the September 11th attacks.

The media yawned.

But by God, you suggest Barack Obama might have a problem with his birth certificate and maybe was not born in the United States, and you are liable to have a television news crew on your lawn with a TV shrink explaining how you are nuts and cannot be taken seriously in American society.

We here at RedState have a pretty aggressive zero tolerance policy on birthers, truthers, and Trig Palin haters. Any of them can get banned pretty quickly.

The media? They don’t care when it is an attack or ill founded belief by Democrats on Republicans — they just don’t want anyone to dare think anything less than Messiah about Barack Obama.

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  • theillinoisguy

    Talking about Trig Palin, birthers, 9/11, racists, anything but addressing the real issues facing us. If the media and Obama can keep us on these points, maybe no one notices what a train wreck Obama and the Democrats have made of the economy. I thought I did a good piece on the birthers at
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110422/cm_ac/8347643_birther_debate_persists_draws_negative_attention_to_gop_hopefuls

  • Raven

    Was this video faked?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6zsQ-v7kD5Q

  • morris21654

    First, One pundit’s opinion is not a global plot. Andrew Sullivan pretty much stands alone in the Palin birth controversy — I don’t see any other major or middlin’ journalists covering the story. Indeed, other-than-right-wing critics of main stream medias’ coverage of the rumor say that the major newspapers, magazines and television news and opinion shows have lost credibility for having ignored the issue. Let’s see your data and its sources concerning major media that did cover the rumors.

    Second, the rumor hardly matters now, does it? Half-Governor Palin’s relevance to the future of American politics is rapidly waning. Her fate is going to be as a footnote or fool — probably both — of early 21st century demagoguery.

  • Diogenes314

    First, the fact that the media ignores the anti-Palin smears while endlessly promoting some ‘birther’ idiocy that nobody in the GOP cares about is the subject of the diary.

    Second, Palin is possibly the most influential figure in American politics (except for Paul Ryan maybe) without hold or seeking public office.

    I might have juxtaposed first and second there.

  • renny

    especially those suing pres. obama, who is spending millions to prevent a court from asking him to produce his birth certificate with a dr.’s name on it, hospital he was born in listed, and baby’s thumb print and/or foot print included.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    no one on here seemed to cover much that she thought it was great that Trump was checking into the birther issue and hopes he can get to the bottom of it. Yes there are those on the far left that have a sick fasination with her, but many here on the righ act as if she never said what she said. I just cant wait for the day we can start talking about real issues and candidates again, and not palin 24/7.

  • Tbone

    How about you never make another post about Palin? That would be a huge step in the right direction, wouldn’t it?

  • ruexperienced

    SP did a good job in the last election.

    But her influence has waned.

    Ever since her “I am a victim of blood libel” speech, when she was supposed to be giving condolences to the REAL victims of the Tuscon shooting, Palin’s popularity has been dropping like a stone.

    Alaskans now DISFAVOR her by a margin of 2–1, and the rest of the nation is catching up fast.

    I recall in 1994/1995 when the new Republican Congress invited Rush Limbaugh to address the freshman class due to his influence in that election.

    I notice that the Republican freshman class and the Tea Party Caucus have not done the same.

    hmmmmm.

  • sandbun

    1) Yes they are
    2) He has not spent millions, At the time that rumor was started, Obama had paid 1.7 million to a law firm that handled any legal issues his campaign had (For comparison McCain spent 1.3 million), which needs to be rounded up to get your “millions”. Yes, they handled the birther lawsuits, but as all those we dismissed (some right away) it wasn’t a substantial percentage of that amount.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/12/donald-trump/donald-trump-claims-obama-has-spent-2-million-lega/
    3) None of which things are required to prove citizenship.

  • Locked and Loaded

    nt

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    I have never once done one on Palin, thats because I would love to move on to other things, the only time I comment on something related to her is when someone else does a post on her that doesnt fully explain the truth. So if people would stop posting on her as some kind of legitimate candidate, I wont post anything under it.

  • runner12

    Maybe an odd combination of both. Here are some facts for you Mr. Sullivan:

    According to the NIH, a woman who is 25 has a 1 in 1250 chance of having a child with Down Syndrome. At age 40, that number jumps to 1 in 100. The odds of a teenage having a child with Down Syndrome are so low, they don’t keep statistics.

    Mr. Sullivan’s assertions about Palin are so far fetched and out there that he makes the birther theorists look sane and rational.

    This man is clearly driven by hate and ignorance.

  • caboose

    who pointed that “Church and State” simply does not exist in the US Constitution in any written or any other form, was ridiculed by liberals, and people who was influenced by them. They referred to the people who knew, as morons and lunatics. Well the same thing appears to be happening now with the people who are simply asking that Article ll, Section l, of the US Constitution,be complied with. “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President.” No one can legally or illegally waive the Articles of the US Constitution, under any circumstances. To allow that to happen will end the country known as the United States. More power to the people standing up for the US Constitution.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    They shame the Constitution and all who stand by it.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    Sullivan is an educated enough man to know that he is lying. That would make him driven by hate and malevolence.

  • Rob_McEwen

    Yes, this is faked. It is a purposely low-quality version of some hillarious spoofs done at http://www.youtube.com/user/ObamaSnippetsDotCom

    Thanks “scrappleface” but done on video. when you hear the high quality version, you can tell that the audio was cut and spliced at various points. (I think the publisher of these is probably a liberal Obama supporter with a desire that “birthers” look silly). Still, they are very fun to watch (and some have nothing to do with Obama’s birth certificate–for example, there are a couple of ones where Obama states that the purpose of death panels is to kill your grandmother so as to save money, etc.)

    BTW – there are many other misconceptions about Obama’s birth certificate–many are hard to sort out. For example, it took me over a year to finally discover that the short form COLB has NEVER been vouched for by any Hawaii official. Sure, they state that they’ve seen SOMETHING in the vault that makes them believe that Obama was born in Hawaii.. but never once do they specifically vouch for the authenticity of the published COLB–not once… even after being repeatedly asked. (fwiw)

  • Rob_McEwen

    Yes, this is faked. It is a purposely low-quality version of some hillarious spoofs done at http://www.youtube.com/user/ObamaSnippetsDotCom

    Thanks “scrappleface” but done on video. when you hear the high quality version, you can tell that the audio was cut and spliced at various points. (I think the publisher of these is probably a liberal Obama supporter with a desire that “birthers” look silly). Still, they are very fun to watch (and some have nothing to do with Obama’s birth certificate–for example, there are a couple of ones where Obama states that the purpose of death panels is to kill your grandmother so as to save money, etc.)

    BTW – there are many other misconceptions about Obama’s birth certificate–many are hard to sort out. For example, it took me over a year to finally discover that the short form COLB has NEVER been vouched for by any Hawaii official. Sure, they state that they’ve seen SOMETHING in the vault that makes them believe that Obama was born in Hawaii.. but never once do they specifically vouch for the authenticity of the published COLB–not once… even after being repeatedly asked. (fwiw)

  • Rob_McEwen

    I meant “think?scrappleface?…

  • Rob_McEwen

    I meant “think?scrappleface?…

  • Rob_McEwen

    Obama is a natural born citizen! but one with some MAJOR things to hide. And even though I think he was born on US soil to US citizen parents, I highly doubt he was born in a Hospital in Hawaii. (probably born in the bathtub w/midwife assisting)

    And some other things are very wrong here.

    For one, even those web sites who made fun of birthers (like snopes.com) had the WRONG birth hospital up until months after he was elected president. (and that was widespread–including on official campaign web sites. Do you know ANY U.S. citizen (who is not an orphan) who is confused about their birth hospital… but then suddenly gets that straight after they are in the 40s? Anyone?

    Furthermore, he is using a Connecticut SS#.. but never lived or worked in Connecticut. (and there is solid evidence that he used other SS#s over the years). SS# fraud is a felony.

    Again, they are hiding something. Those who are pursuing this couldn’t be loony, given just the things that I’ve stated above.

    Funny how whenever it is a conservative in the crosshairs, “the people have a right now know”… and hiding information means the conservative is guilty.

  • Rob_McEwen

    I don’t know why that is happening

  • Rob_McEwen

    I don’t know why that is happening

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908
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  • sandbun

    After all it must be solid if you read that it was solid on the interweb machine. It really is strange that such solid evidence hasn’t resulted in a successful lawsuit. Every judge in the country must be in on it.

    It’s really sad that an excellent post like this one condemning the way the media treats crazy conspiracy ideas on the left and right has not been read as it should’ve been (both sides have their kooks but the media only focuses on those on the right) but as a place where birther or birther-curious have shown up to say “Yeah, the media shouldn’t pick on us, we have a good point!” I mean, how do you accept the crazy theory that unless you’re able to have documents on every part of his life Obama must be hiding something and then not have the same feelings about Palin not releasing Trig’s birth certificate?

    BTW, I did a quick google search, Obama’s father (who shares the same name) did live in Connecticut, and while I don’t know all the details (we don’t even know for sure that it is President Obama’s SS) I’m willing to believe there’s a perfectly reasonable explanation for it because anything else gets too complicated to be likely or possible. I’m willing to bet the same amount of effort would explain the hospital confusion and anything else you can dig up.

  • Rob_McEwen

    “strange that such solid evidence hasn?t resulted in a successful lawsuit”

    First, no lawsuit has made it to the discovery phase. They’ve all been thrown out on procedural technicalities. For example, at least one high profile lawsuit was thrown out on the basis that the judge stated that it shouldn’t be dealt with until AFTER the election was certified, since there is no damage done until then. AND at least one high profile lawsuit was thrown out on the basis that the judge stated that it should have been dealt with BEFORE the election was certified, and now it is too late to change it. (yes, this happened!) Both judges can’t be right… one of them denied due process.

    No, there is ZERO evidence that Obama’s father ever lived in Conn. (plus, the particular Conn SS# in question was in a series that was dolled out in the late 70s, NOT the early 60s. )

    That information about Obama Sr. and Conn. was ONLY espoused by one reporter with an agenda… and only AFTER it was revealed that he was using a Conn SS#… there was no supporting evidence for that–and, in fact, much evidence to the contrary because, for example, if you look at Obama’s father’s wikipedia page, it makes no mention of Conn. But, for that SAME time period in question, it does state, “In September 1962, after a tour of mainland U.S. universities, Obama Sr. traveled to Cambridge, Massachusetts where he began a graduate fellowship in economics at Harvard University and rented an apartment in a rooming house near Central Square in Cambridge”

    SEE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama,_Sr.#Harvard_University

    You will NOT find a reference to Conn. that predates the SS# accusation… not on the “go back” machine at archive.org… or anywhere else. Only on a few hack-job sites like snopes… with no references to back it up. (and, again, even then, it contradicts sources which predate the Conn. accusations. There are articles published in 1962 which state that Obama Sr. was going to Cambridge to begin graduate studies.)

    To verify the Conn. SS# that researchers obtained, they submitted the SS#, along with Obama’s last name and birth date on the following form, and a match occurred:

    https://www.sss.gov/RegVer/wfVerification.aspx

    here is a screenshot:

    http://www.wnd.com/images/selectiveservice.jpg

    So there is no question that he is using a Conn. SS#. Bill O’Reilly tried to take the “Obama’s father lived in Conn.” argument… but he backed off and pulled that off his website when challenged because he too couldn’t find “original sources” evidence to support that.

    And, like I said, Snopes and many other anti-birther sites had the wrong birth hospital up until a couple of years ago.

    As I said, I now believe that he is a natural born citizen… born to US citizen parents on US soil… but he definitely has something to hide and probably was not born in an actual Hawaii hospital.

  • Diogenes314

    Namely how much he loves this ridiculous crap. Why would he show anyone a BS when he can have idiots like Trump running around making fools out of themselves and their clueless groupies?

  • Rob_McEwen

    It was a link to the screenshot of his Conn. SS# number verified on the Selective Services site. You can find it on Google images by going to images.google.com and typing “Obama selectiveservice.jpg”

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    As a matter of fact, it’s a shame your keyboard works.

    Why don’t you do yourself and everybody but Obama a favor and drop this crap. Just ignore it.

    You’re taking your eyes off the prize which is defeating the liberal agenda. If you were able to prove that Obama was born on the moon and both his mother and father were Mexican Muslims nothing would be done about it and if you pushed it you’d unite a splintered Democratic party behind him and unite the country behind him and against the “racist Republicans”.

  • Rob_McEwen

    From a pure pragmatic and political point, (A) why do some conservatives get soooo upset about this? (B) why not use this against Obama? (C) Why can’t the chips just fall where they fall.

    What I mean is this… regardless of whether Obama is a natural born citizen… since when did it become offensive to want contradictions resolved regarding the history and identity behind extremely public leaders? If this were a Republicans, the democrats would be all over this… asking, “what does Bush have to hide?” “The people have a right to know!!”, etc, etc.

    The whitehouse goes nuts every time a new person of credibility jmps on the bandwagon. (see how they reacted to Frankin Graham today!). That alone tells me… where there is smoke, there is fire. And if this makes them uncomfortable… then that makes me happy. I’d rather Obama’s mind be filled with anxiety over whatever he is hiding getting released… than spend his time planning the takeover of another 1/6th of the economy.

    And, if you don’t dig it… fine. ignore it. But don’t backstab other conservatives who, quite frankly, have substantial hard evidence that something is wrong here. There is too much hard evidence to call them crazy anymore.

    You can say that they are wasting their time… that it is mute point at this point in time… but calling them crazy is… crazy …because it is MORE crazy to think that having a SS# issued decades after one’s birth in state one hasn’t lived or worked in… is no big deal… AND that it is normal for a person born of two parents who lived into their adulthood suddenly to switch birth hospitals… thinking those two things are normal… now THAT is “ridiculous crap”, as you put it.

  • jayburd

    About the same time it became offensive to uphold the Constitution.

  • Diogenes314

    From a pure pragmatic and political point, (A) why do some conservatives get soooo upset about this? (B) why not use this against Obama? (C) Why can?t the chips just fall where they fall.

    A) I don’t know if anyone is ‘getting soooo upset’. Personally I’m just laughing at these people.
    B) You have it backwards, of course. Obama is using this idiocy to attempt to discredit the GOP. Fortunately aside from a rabid clueless fringe, nobody cares.
    C)The chips will fall. Starting with The Donald.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    challenge over BOs birth certificate. Including you.

  • Diogenes314

    How about anyone with standing to challenge the state of Hawaii. According to them, he’s a natural born citizen. Unless and until all the Trumpanistas move en masse to our 50th state and elect Orly Taitz Governor, I go back to my original point.

    Nobody cares.

    Nobody that matters.

  • Rob_McEwen

    The birthers shouldn’t “overplay their hand” because they risk a backlash because Americans hate seeing people win via technicalities or weird things. No one likes it when their football team wins a playoff game just barely–because the opposing team’s star QB was injured early in the game–or because of a referee’s bad call.

    However, at the same time, Americans also hate seeing people win via cheating–I think you’re underestimating that element here as well.

    So it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

    In the meantime, I’m just a truth-seeker–wherever the truth leads. And I refuse to allow the other side to make the rules and make me feel silly for seeking truth. Period. For too long, Conservatives have played by Dems’ rules–which are made up to suit the situation at the moment. (Could this be a “stupid-party-light” moment for RedState?.. if you catch my drift?)

    If this thing blows wide open in a bad way for Obama –OR– if the birthers overplay their hand… either way, I think we are now at a point where there will be winners and losers in the Conservative movement.

    And RedState is definitely “invested” in this not amounting to any big deal, should the whole truth ever come out.

  • aesthete

    when you went down this path.

    You know what Americans hate even more than cheating? Getting screwed on the basis of some legal technicality. Given that The Search For The Birth Certificate flopped at the box office and gave birth to the straight to DVD sequel, The Search For The (Long Form) Birth Certificate (Inside Sarah Palin’s Uterus), that’s pretty much what it would come down to if evidence showed up.

    For all intensive porpoises, B Obama is American: he’s very liberal, and I don’t like that he’s my President, but he is American both de jure and de facto. Even if it were found out that he were not de jure (which is pretty much impossible given the newspaper ad announcing his birth), Americans see him as de facto American and would see it in the same light as the Clinton sex scandals. I hope I don’t have to spell out how bad that witch hunt was both for Republicans and conservatives.

  • markinidaho

    I cannot imagine why you would have a low tolerance for birthers, unless you have bought into the popular inside-the-beltway fable that anyone that doubts Barack Obama was born in Hawaii must be nuts. Fact is, he spent an awful lot of money to keep his birth certificate hidden, and he tells an awful lot of lies to keep you thinking he cannot produce it. Methinks that Donald Trump has tapped into an outrage in the American people who want to know if their elected Commander in Chief is an illegal alien, and that most of us who are actually conservative consider “Republicans” to be as bad as “Democrats” – both are idiotic spend-as-much-as-possible traitors to the Constitution.

    Red State, Blue State, doesn’t much matter. Both parties have failed us. Time to scrap them both, and vote for real people. I’d like to see Alan West, myself. (Dream on – the candidates will be Obama and some Progressive Republican with the same traitorous agenda.)

    OK, then, Thy Kingdom Come.

  • markinidaho

    Shame the Constitution? What, is it wrong to expect a person running for President to actually use something more substantial than newspaper clippings to demonstrate his citizenship? In America, any yahoo can run for President, doesn’t matter whether he is American or not – but you have to show a long form birth certificate in Hawaii to get a driver’s license, or to play Little League.

    I’d say the shame is on Barry Soetoro, and the embarrassment is on anyone that believes a word that comes from his mouth.

  • markinidaho

    Obama is not my President. As far as I am concerned, he is a Kenyan born Chicago thug that staged a masterful coup of the United States government, and is in the process of dismantling it by crapping all over the Constitution. I consider him an illegal alien until he proves otherwise, and I would not shake his hand if he put it out in front of him to shake mine. He does not deserve the respect of the office.

    It is not racism, I would embrace Alan West.

    But, the USA is getting exactly what it deserves, on account of over a million murdered babies every year.

    Thy Kingdom Come.

  • albro62

    economy, it’s our position in world politics.

    I hear treason bandied about an awful lot lately, because the media has hidden what this president is doing to us internationally, both politically and economically!

    Treason not just for the pres, but also for every liberal media outlet that is hell bent on veiling all the wrong that is being forced upon us.

    This is 180 degrees, polar opposite of what was done to President Bush. obama and the liberal media must be tried in court, found guilty, and banished from our shores..

  • dbass

    God does not smile upon a nation that destroys his creations, it is the absolute truth. The USA has become a Sodom and a Gomorrah . . . We are a lost nation!
    Also, the SCOTUS is supposed to protect our constitution. They have failed in the scope of their duty, by not making sure that this chigger is eligible to be in the position that he finds himself. He is destroying this country from the inside. I suggest that our Justices be subject to the vote of the people, and that their terms be limited. A week is a lifetime in the political world. . .

  • melatr7

    1. Obama’s father was absolutely NOT a US Citizen.
    2. If eligibility does not matter, the Constitution does not matter.
    3. NO individual has admitted vetting him yet the DNC says he was vetted.
    4. PELOSI signed TWO non-identical ‘certifications’.

  • gunslingr45

    do you sound like one of the liberals accusing her of anything?

  • melatr7

    fails to fully describe my shock at so many solid conservatives here saying this is a non issue.

    Maybe it will be Ahmadinejad- 2012 because Constututional LAWS don’t matter anymore- why not?

    Let’s just run the country on Hope and Change and Faith in man. *shrug*

  • sandbun

    1st – markinidaho, thanks for playing.
    2nd – The reason this upsets me is because a) it’s idiotic b) as Diogenes314 said, the Dems use this to discredit the GOP.
    3rd – People ask what Bush had to hide. Those people were the 9/11 truthers. They were and are mocked. This stuff is in the same vein.
    4th – Obama has conclusively proven he was born in Hawaii. You don’t have to take his word for it, you don’t have to think that if the Clintons couldn’t make hay of it then it’s not real, you don’t have to think it doesn’t matter (it does), but it’s been proven. Bill O’Reilly even had a team investigate and confirm it. http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html It’s not asking questions anymore, it’s refusing to hear evidence.
    5th – Not going to follow up studying the SS thing for one simple reason – it’s a waste of time. People who that that kinda skeleton in their closet don’t run for president. Also I don’t know about the reporter who said his father lived in Conn, but you’re source is wnd. That’s birther central. The people who run that website would be banned on this site. Find a different place to get your news. Note I didn’t say to find a new site to source for this argument, it’s done. I said just find a new site to get your news.
    6th – Eventually I’m going to create my first ever diary on this subject because I’m sick of having to repeat myself, but just because the left or the media attack some idea or person doesn’t mean they’re scared of it/him/her. It’s not making them crazy to hear this nonsense repeated, they’re laughing all the way to the White House.
    7) I don’t know the name of the hospital I was born in. Never cared enough to ask my parents. If I needed to fill out some form that required it I’d just google the name of the town I was born in and write down the first hospital name I saw. Am I hiding something MAJOR too, or is this just stupid trivia about my life that not even I care enough to find out and which has no bearing on anything?

  • Rob_McEwen

    I can’t stand Huckabee. Does that mean that the FairTax isn’t credible? Huckabee is a big gov’t Republican and is trying to ride the FairTax bandwagon to provide cover for his big gov’t ways–but that does NOT mean that suddenly the Fairtax is wrong!

    Likewise, just because Trump is trying to ride the birther bandwagon says nothing good or bad about the validity of birther’s facts/arguments. Frankly, I think that both Huckabee and Trump are a joke… but that bears little on the merits of the birther issue or the FairTax issue.

    Geez… this “guilt by association” line of reasoning makes me feel like I’m at the Democrat Underground web site! This reminds me of times in the past when I’ve posted a link to Red State in a discussion where the liberal said, “But that’s Red State, so it doesn’t count”. (they couldn’t argue the issue on the actual merits/facts–so they attacked the messenger.)

    Regarding your comment, “it?s been proven”…that is just plain wrong. Frankly, I wish you were correct so that this would just go away!

    For example, even the COLB that the Obama campaign released has not ever been confirmed as valid by any State of Hawaii official. Not ever. Even after being repeatedly asked about it.. Yes, they do claim that they’ve gone into the archives and have seen SOMETHING that they think proves Obama was born in Hawaii. And another official claimed to have seen the actual long form certificate. But they have never vouched for that COLB. Not once.

    So, I guess you could call this proven if you take some Hawaii officials’ word for it. But, to date, no credible and validated evidence has been released to the public that proves that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    Saying, “lets drop it” is one thing… but spreading factually incorrect and “guilt by association” lines of arguments is another.

    in contrast, i respect what Eric Erickson has stated.. which is.. (i paraphrase) “regardless of the facts, its too late to change anything at this point.. and trying to change it will do more damage than good.”

    i do respect THAT line of reasoning.”

  • Rob_McEwen

    Just to reiterate… I’m NOT a “birther” because I personally believe that Obama was born on US soil and to two US citizen parents.

    But that has nothing to do with the fact that the birther’s accusations has NOT been proven conclusively one way or the other.

    I just think they are hiding OTHER thing(s) that would be revealed if all of Obama MANY undisclosed records came to light. And they seem quite desperate to keep a lid on those things.

  • Tbone

    isn’t a “legitimate candidate?

    I bet the other 8 guys in the VW Bug must let you tell them who to vote for.

  • melatr7

    Allen West/Jim DeMint would be a winning combo for me.

  • melatr7

    n/t

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    We still ban birthers.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    We do still ban birthers.

  • acat
  • sandbun

    First off I need to apologize for giving the wrong link above. The O’Reilly segment I was referring to is here – http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html#/v/4641145/separating-fact-from-myth-regarding-president-obama/?playlist_id=87796, which is a link to a specific clip, whereas above I just gave is a generic link to o’reilly’s page and the top story just happens to be about Trump. Trump has nothing to do with this, I got sick of this birther nonsense well before he came along. But now that I’ve cleared this up –

    “I guess you could call this proven if you take some Hawaii officials? word for it.”

    DING DING DING! We have a winner! Full stop right after this statement barring some proof or reason that they would have to lie. Also the short form has been validated over and over again despite what wnd might want you to believe – Anderson Cooper also did a bit on this if you don’t trust O’Reilly’s reporting – http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/30/cnns-anderson-cooper-calmly-destroys-birther-logic/

    Also, telling you to get news from credible sources isn’t leftist elitism, it’s common sense. I wouldn’t accept a post on redstate.com as a source when posting a comment ON redstate, unless of course it was well sited, in which case one should use the original source instead of the redstate diary. For pushing an opinion is one thing, then a blog post can be a source if you think it’s well argued, but for fact checking something? No, absolutely not! You yourself have criticized snopes as a source in this diary.

    And finally, because you’re embarasing yourself, no Obama wasn’t born to two US citizen parents. Not even Obama has claimed that one. His mother was a US citizen, but not his father, at least not at the time of his birth (I don’t believe any other time either, but can’t confirm that). His father lived in the US for a time, mostly while going to college, but was Kenyan.

  • Rob_McEwen

    I read the piece and watched the video. Here is a good comparison to what his happening…

    At most colleges, there is a dance club/bar called, “The Library”. Then, mom calls her college student son and says, “Hey, your bills are getting really expensive and I can’t keep paying for ALL of them… get yourself a part time job”. College kid responds, “Mom, I’m working as hard as I can. School is really hard. Yesterday, after a full day of classes, I even spent 4 hours at ‘The Library’ ”

    Technically, true… but full of deception.

    Same thing is happening here.

    I stand behind my statement that no Hawaii official has EVER vouched that the *particular* COLB released by the Obama campaign is authentic and officially released by them. Not one. Had it really been released by Hawaii… it would have been EASY to find a statement saying, “that COLB that we released to the Obama campaign…”, etc.

    Even in your links…

    O’Reilly says, “A COLB has been released”. (true)

    Anderson Cooper says, “”There’s a certificate of live birth, which is what the state of Hawaii sends out” …also true… there is a (fraudulent) COLB that Obama operatives released, so that is a true statement… and, yes, the State of Hawaii DOES release actual legitimate COLBs periodically. So, technically, Cooper told the truth in both parts of his statement – - just like that college student technically told the truth to his mom.

    Linda Lingle lied through her teeth because her claims were specifically about a press release… and that press release didn’t go NEARLY as far as she went. Turns out, the legal language of the press release issued by Dr. Chiyome Fukino is extremely non-committal… its “original birth certificate” language covers the possibility of a COLB issued “after the fact”, where the parents show up with a months-old baby claiming that had it in their bathtub. Furthermore, unlike Lingle’s claim, Fukino’s press release didn’t state anything about any hospital.

    Still, Lingle’s untruthful statement is about the best thing out there as any kind of ‘proof’ against birther… that is, were it not for the fact that it lacks credibility since it contains demonstrably factually incorrect statements about a particular press release. Anyone can compare this press release to Lingle’s statement and see multiple lies about the press release.

    (Also, Lingle’s statement is somewhat counterbalanced by the fact that Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. – - notice how Adams’s affidavit does NOT contradict Fukino’s press release. Adams and Funkino can BOTH be telling the truth with no contradiction whatsoever. How smooooooth!)

    But then you have, on the other hand, the Connecticut SS#, the hospital switcheroos, no validation of the COLB, and a bunch of withheld records… and you end up with enough proof to conclude that… birthers are NOT crazy. Not enough to prove birthers are proven correct. But enough to say that they aren’t crazy for being suspicious and wanting answers!

    Frankly, if Red State doesn’t want his issue discussed…. then refrain from bashing birthers, too… and just say that you think this issue is a waste of time.. and don’t allow birthers to be bashed, as well as the issue not debated.

    But when people at Red State bash birthers as crazy or stupid, they insult a lot of good conservatives who have some very substantial evidence on their side and are just asking very fair questions. Allowing that bashing on Red State… and then shutting down birthers when they try to defend themselves… would be hypocritical. (and thanks for your patience this time around!)

    Sort of like when an older brother picks an argument with his little brother… but then says, “drop it” when he finds out he wasn’t in the winning position he thought he was in. (having grown up with two older brothers…I can relate!)

  • sandbun

    So now to believe the birthers have “substantial evidence” on their side we have to assume the O’Reilly’s team and CNN’s team both were either fooled by a “fraudulent “(I’d love to see that proven by a non-biased source) COLB or are in on the game. I mean, all this proof that the doc is “fraudulent”, you don’t think that O’Reilly’s or Coopers team heard that stuff and made sure it was real? In fact in other segments Cooper goes over some of the claims and proves them false, though I’m sure other “proof” has been cited since that report that he hasn’t gone over. So either they’re massively incompetent, or they’re in on it. And that just raises the question of why? In your library example, the kid has a reason to lie – he wants to keep partying on his parents dime. These are often Republicans who are going over the evidence and then making supposedly making purposely misleading statements to hide the truth. For what purpose?

    Yes, technically it is possible. But so is the idea that you’re just living in a real life Truman Show. I mean, where do you cut off things that are technically reasonable but really just absurd? If you don’t eventually you end up like the Ruler of the Universe in the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy books, where nothing can be trusted.

  • tlhanger

    I believe he has not business being president as he was not vetted.
    And yes, I would vote for Sarah in a New York minute.

  • Rob_McEwen

    …with Global Warming, evolution/creationism, etc… and this happens every day.

    Seriously, by your same standards, I should believe that global warming is true and that the ice caps will be melted within a decade or two… and I should believe that we evolved from single-celled creatures… and that being gay is natural and fully biological in every instance…. etc. etc. etc.

    And. while I agree with O’Reilly 99% of the time, this wouldn’t be the 1st time O’Reilly has been a “tool” for the status quo and didn’t follow his more typical journalistic standards.

  • sandbun

    Those about complicated scientific issues that researcher are still trying to get enough evidence to proof or disproof. This is verifying a legal document. You don’t need samples taken over decades and centuries, this is confirming a document conforms to legal standards and that the people who supposedly sent the document admit they sent the document.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    neither is Trump and Paul, the three of them are the three stooges, they provide entertainment but they are not to be considered legitimate in any sense.

  • Tbone