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Osama Is Dead. Don’t Believe It Makes Obama Invulnerable to Defeat

By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  May 2nd, 2011 at 05:00 AM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

The United States military and intelligence community are owed a huge round of applause for a job well done killing Osama Bin Laden.

From what we know, elements of Pakistan’s government cooperated with the United States in a military operation into a mansion outside Islamabad where we shot and killed Osama Bin Laden. Military installations around the world have raised their alert level. Al Qaeda is not the same as it was back in 2001, but we should not be surprised if some group tries to do something.

As the sun rises this morning, the speculation and spin that the media will readily push out is that this now makes Barack Obama invulnerable to defeat in 2012.

It is an extraordinary accomplishment — one that defies partisanship. Because Barack Obama is President, like with upturns in the economy, he will get the credit.

But the lack of an upturn in the economy will, by 2012, be more relevant. People have short memories. Voters have short memories. The good will toward Mr. Obama will not last past one or two fill ups.

If the economy does not improve, if gas prices do not go down significantly, and if jobs are not created, Barack Obama will lose. The death of Osama Bin Laden is a good thing. But it has no staying power into 2012.

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  • act6629

    Could not have said it better myself.

  • southernpatriots

    of the 9-11 attacks was crying out for justice for the past 10 years. We are not gloating but are glad that justice, in part, maybe even in large part, was finally done.

    We hope you are right about the staying power of this victory. We need true conservatives to run for office and to win. America needs another 2010 election next year, even more so. We not only need to change the presidency but also the Senate, and other political offices throughout the states. America is facing dire situations in the future, even worse than we have now.

    Wake up America! Rise up conservatives!

  • Locke

    or die option, and foregoing the chance of extracting intelligence information, or more precisely, that their superiors had such reasons.

  • Locke

    H.W.’s sky-high favorability after the Gulf War.

  • hudsonwilde

    Actually, from purely pragmatic political point of view it is very good that it happened when it happened and is no longer a risk of an October surprise which was always hanging out there. Can’t think of a better timing, again, from purely political point of view.

    Thank you CIA and US Military. I waited for this for almost 10 years.

  • gafisher

    … are unlikely to feature the faces of the dead or any “Mission Accomplished” banners. Obama’s base will be unhappy if our troops aren’t home by July 4th now that his argument for being in Afghanistan (oops!) is gone, an argument the Muslim Brotherhood is already making, is likely to emphasize, and could turn into a rallying point. If this becomes a central issue in 2012 it may well be as a negative for Obama.

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    Truman’s Democrats weren’t helped by victory in World War 2 and more recently George HW Bush couldn’t ride the wave long enough after the Gulf War and the fall of the Soviet Union to victory.

    I would like to thank the US Military for a job well done. This is a great day for America.

  • namron

    Is there any doubt why he released his birth certificate when he did. Now no will be able to question it.

  • Doc Holliday

    I am getting the feeling that these nuts are plants. All of a sudden these *((*^*^*^ I(TT (()*^T^^%% show up en masse.

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  • namron

    Not a plant. I leave in Chicago and I ‘ve been reading Redstate for a number of year allow I don’t comment much, I’ve watched Obama and everything is calculated with this guy. By the way I’m the NUT that got Susan Rosegen fired from CNN with my son. I guess I was just a conspiracy nut about the media bias.

  • namron

    Not a plant. I live in Chicago and I have been reading Redstate for a number of years. although I don?t comment much, I?ve watched Obama and everything is calculated with this guy. By the way I?m the NUT that got Susan Rosegen fired from CNN with my son. I guess I was just a conspiracy nut about the media bias.Look at the time line. the report said they Osama was killed a number of days ago and they were waiting for the DNA test.

    Sorry for the typos. I just woke up.

  • politicalqrm

    because we can’t afford four more years with this guy. America will cease to exist as a free country.

    I see the other comments regarding George HW Bush, but remember: he didn’t have the backing of the press to help him out. They are going to use this to the nth degree to get him re-elected.

    In political terms, I consider our fight is back to square one.

    http://politicalqrm.com

  • Doc Holliday

    I think linking Obma’s birth certificate to an operation where are best risked their lives is out of line. Those who run this site might feel as I do or they might not.

  • nepanyrush

    Ultimately, important intel leading to this day came from interrogations at Gitmo. But it was the President’s call and he will get credit for, as he said, this greatest success against Al Queda. There is no question that it will make him much, much tougher to defeat. Until now, his foreign policy looked like a joke, but getting Usama Bin Laden is already being depicted as part of foreign policy, as in “his greatest foreign policy accomplishment.” And whenever he mentions it during the debates, he will get applause. What can his opponent possibly say in response?

  • charles17121

    Obama is trying to take credit for this terrors death . Our military are the ones we should thank and honor for finally bring justice to this terrors . This so called president can’t forge a birth certificate let alone bring justice to a terrors. Our military deserved all the credit they are the ones who wont fail the American people.

  • davenj1

    in the 2012 election cycle to have an effect. He will use it as a feather in his foreign policy cap and he will get the inevitable bump in approval ratings, but to quote a famous Democrat years ago, “Its the economy stupid.”

  • politicalqrm

    and we’re going to have a hard time fighting against those words. His opponent is going to have to be one strong candidate.

  • eddiethegeek

    Why coolly wait until the media give you the credit when you can go in front of the cameras and TAKE it? It’s the narcissistic thing to do, after all.

    What bugs me is that he implied, in his comment that the FIRST thing he did with Leon Pannetta was to make finding bin Laden his #1 priority, that finding bin Laden was not previously the intelligence community’s #1 priority.

    With Obama, it’s all about Obama. And I thought Clinton was in love with himself!

    Bravo and kudos to the military and intelligence people who got this done. We will never know how many have given their lives in this search over the past 10 years. And Mr. President, good job giving the go-ahead on this mission!

  • trp878

    64% of You were duped once so don’t be duped again!

    The killing of Osama is no big deal he is just another killer and fugitive from justice that was finally caught and dealt justice. Whether Obama takes credit or not will not make a difference to to the almost 3000 innocent victims killed at ground zero. Osama’s being killed does not make a difference to any of us Americans that are paying exorbitant fuel prices, the 66% jump in food prices, the 15 million plus out of jobs and unemployment and all the 1 in 5 Americans that are in some type of foreclosure because of all the aforementioned issues and then some. “We the People” will take our country back one election at a time.

  • ag8tor

    it will be the only feather there! Has anyone heard a comment from Hillary? That’s odd. She may not have been included in this op.

  • namron

    My grandfather stormed the 88 on cliffs of Normandy. He was the first military person from WWII in the country to receive a handicap equipped vehicle and was determine not to spend his life in a VA hospital. This has nothing to do with disrespecting our military.

    Please do explain your illogic.

    “I think linking Obma?s birth certificate to an operation where are best risked their lives is out of line. Those who run this site might feel as I do or they might not.”

    I think we witness a display of what this man would do with the Healthcare debate. If you desire to stick your head in the sand then by all means do so. What I’m saying Obama is ruthless and will stop at no means to assume power. As soon as he knew they got Bin Ladin, he release the document. The man spent approximately 3 million in legal fees to keep it hidden, states were coming up with bills to require proof then the document is all of sudden produced. Then days latter with get an announce during the middle of the apprentice and nothing is fishy,

  • bbfmail

    Sunday May 1st, 2011 informationliberation.com
    Osama Bin Laden Has Been Dead For Years

    Now that Osama’s dead body is being trotted out to boost Obama’s approval ratings, er, because he was just killed in an air strike or some nonsense, it’s worth taking a look back at the researchers who concluded Osama bin Laden died years ago. David Ray Griffin wrote an entire book about it. Mike Rivero also wrote the article “Osama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government,” where he cited numerous heads of state, CIA agents, intelligence officials, etc. who all concluded Osama has been dead for years.

    ####
    Testimonial Evidence that Bin Laden Is Dead

    In addition to this objective evidence, we had considerable testimony in 2002, from people in position to know, that bin Laden was dead, or probably so. These people included:

    ? President Musharraf of Pakistan;

    ? Dale Watson, the head of the FBI?s counterterrorism unit;

    ? Oliver North, who said: ?I’m certain that Osama is dead. . . And so are all the other guys I stay in touch with?;

    ? President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan;

    ? Sources within Israeli intelligence, who said that any new messages from bin Laden were ?probably fabrications?;

    ? Sources within Pakistani intelligence, who ?confirmed the death of . . . Osama Bin Laden? and ?attributed the reasons behind Washington’s hiding news on the death of Osama Bin Laden to the desire of the hawks of the American administration to use the issue of al-Qaida and international terrorism to invade Iraq.?

    ######

    The evidence Osama has been dead for years is overwhelming, people have been predicting for years his dead body was going to be trotted out as part of some PR stunt. Absent the presentation of some overwhelmingly compelling evidence to the contrary, it looks like that’s what we’re witnessing right now.[NOAD]

  • edintexas

    nepanyrush asked: “What can his opponent possibly say in response?”

    Libya.

  • ag8tor

    trp878 for putting a needed perspective on this event. One less thug in the world wide gene pool. Actually two. The Obama media will continue to play this up. Chris Matthews probably had another shiver down his leg. They are dolts who will say whatever they are told. I give you Dan Rather as example. The Obama campaign will milk this for all it’s worth through 2012. Unfortunately we still have the same brain-dead, duped Obamabots that think he walks on water. They would vote for him even if he were running against Jesus Christ. Hopefully a big percentage of the original duped have seen him for what he is and will vote against him. It’s the independent voter that will decide the election. Many of these voters are unhappy with the way things have turned and not happy the way “O” has lied to them at every turn. It will indeed be up to “We the People” to rid the country of this cancer.

  • jppuruzi

    Doc, what are you on???

  • Aaron Gardner
  • steve010

    body, then maybe I’ll believe it. Even the FBI, showed us pictures of John Dillinger.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • Bill S

    Maybe the Redstate banning policy just needs to be “no idiots”.

  • steve010

    nt

  • earlgrey
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  • davenj1

    RUN TOTO RUN

  • ihateliberals

    One thing Bush did not do is go against the Pakistani government to get bin laden. Obama had this fall into his lap and is taking full credit for it. yes thank God is was now and not next September or October. this wil give BHO a boost for a very short time but it wil die down before next years real campaigning. I speculate tht BHO approved this because of his failing poll numbers. with this he knows he will be well above 60 or 70 % approval. GHW bush was at 90% before the 1992 election but Bill Clinton won the elect that year as Bush’s numbers dropped into the 40% range. There is hope then that this truly will die down. . I do think we were wrong to bury him at Sea. The American people have a right to see the body and we didn’t get a chance because Obama’s Muslim background made him give into tradition. He was afraid he would anger the people of Islam. I say they already are attacking us so who gives a rats A$$. I don’t feel closure but I do feel satisfaction the the SOB is dead. I feel robbed in the sense that I didn’t get to see the body and that we didn’t disobey Islamic tradition and show his body off for at least two days and disgrace UBL. Then I think the body should have been burned at the WTC site.

  • APA Guy

    …it DOES make him more difficult to beat. He now can boast the greatest War on Terror accomplishment since it began – and that is a mighty big bat to swing when the media is lobbing softballs.

  • APA Guy

    …it DOES make him more difficult to beat. He now can boast the greatest War on Terror accomplishment since it began – and that is a mighty big bat to swing when the media is lobbing softballs.

  • ihateliberals

    my fingers are still asleep.

  • bus2dc

    Right, Erick, not only does this not make Obama invulnerable to 2012 defeat, but I’d suggest it will actually serve in the end to do the opposite. The immediate taking to the streets in the middle of the night with American flags, non-stop chants of “U-S-A”, God Bless America!”, and spontaneous singing of the national anthem (such as the great West Point Youtube clip) have the common theme of intense patriotism and STRENGTH — a country BURSTING in its wish to regain that strength, a country that Obama has done his best at every turn to apologize for and even condemn on numerous counts, including its military practices of interrogation and twisting our attempts to promote and defend freedom as “dictating”. Remember this is the president who, in a stunning twist of lunacy, has handed his own country over to the UN for “human rights transgressions”. He bows (physically and mentally) before our enemies and is slowly but surely abandoning Israel as many have long-suspected he would. Our very American IDENTITY is being removed by this man. So we have been made immensely WEAKER, not stronger, and no one is going to dismiss or forget Obamas’ “transformation-wish” tomorrow because of UBL. Rather, I believe this successful military operation will inspire us to work even HARDER to defeat Obama and his idealogical “visions” and get this nation, and our identity, back to what our fathers and grandfathers fought and died for. Obama may be in office and he may take paper-credit for the “victory”, but he will remain outside its celebration in the hearts of the people. We, as conservatives, instead will celebrate the PROUD and GOOD country we are and would be again without this man. The disparity of our national memories of being a beacon of hope to the world, against Obama’s persistent attempt to level us on the playing field – and even lower us – should be STARKLY, strongly in contrast this morning. Let Obama continue to say “I” did this, “I” did that” ….it is the WE who know better that matter. It is the WE who fight the war of ideals that will remove him from the halls he walks and taints with every footstep. U-S-A!!

  • APA Guy

    We’d be hearing about OBL’s death in October of 2012, not May 2011.

    Wise up.

  • APA Guy

    We’d be hearing about OBL’s death in October of 2012, not May 2011.

    Wise up.

  • APA Guy

    It certainly represents your interpretation of how this COULD be spun, but I doubt the American people will see Obama in a lesser light for accomplishing in 2 years what President Bush couldn’t in 6.

    I’m not saying Obama deserves any undue credit, but you have to be realistic to an extent about this. It happened on Obama’s watch…and by his order. That can’t do anything but help someone who has, thus far, been justifiably seen as weak on foreign policy and military matters.

  • APA Guy

    It certainly represents your interpretation of how this COULD be spun, but I doubt the American people will see Obama in a lesser light for accomplishing in 2 years what President Bush couldn’t in 6.

    I’m not saying Obama deserves any undue credit, but you have to be realistic to an extent about this. It happened on Obama’s watch…and by his order. That can’t do anything but help someone who has, thus far, been justifiably seen as weak on foreign policy and military matters.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    At first I thought, as you mention, that this makes Obama a lot harder to defeat because he can say “I got OBL.”

    Then I thought, none of the people we really want (i.e. governors who will focus on the financial issues) have very strong international backgrounds, but now they won’t need to (in the minds of most Americans).

    I think this will help us turn this more and more into a debate about the economy.

  • ihateliberals

    Eric I think you will be right in the long run but in the short term i think we have a huge fight on our hands. so many things are at stake like the Obamacare and the debt ceiling. Obama has leverage on that now that will be hard to break.

  • throwback59

    presided over the end of the Soviet Union. I remember people declaring that no one would even run against him. Yet a year later none of that mattered.
    If the economy hasn’t inproved a year from now, Obama’s poll #s won’t be any higher than yesterday.

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  • edingerb

    The first thought I had was that this was great news. Finally. Then all the other sideshow antics started popping into my head. Obama taking credit, his poll numbers boost, Al Qaeda retaliation, troop withdrawal predictions, etc.

    There are a lot of people who have very differing opinions on this issue, even within the Red State community. I have read several takes on this “victory” just in this single comment thread.

    One thing I have to say, something I have noticed for years. There is a significant number of intolerant comment writers that regularly post here. At the risk of being banned, I would include some of the moderators in that group.

    I know there are some wacko’s that just come here to rile people up and need to be castigated and banned. I am not referring to that type of moderating. But everyone has an opinion (and if it is not the same as mine, it is obviously wrong :) .) My point is – this site has a wide variety of views on every topic that gets emailed to the readership early every morning. Many times, I have seen people ridiculed for their comments, even if they had a valid point.

    We all get to hear the MSM spin on any given issue. There is no other side presented. At Red State, the analysis of any event, large or small, is presented with logical thought and critical thinking. When someone who thinks opposite (leftie, birther, or whomever) makes a comment, I see it as an opportunity to use some of that logic and analytical thought to pulverize the brainwashed dolt into submission. This can serve to show the left (or other offender) why we are differnt than they are. We don’t just sit around miming the talking points, we engage in debate. Winning the debate is far better than using cliches and other mechanisms to present the message.

    When someone posts a comment that differs from the accepted view on this site, it should be taken apart with a point-by-point analysis, not an insult-fest (although an occasional insult can be effective and often welcome.) If the offending poster can not back up his comments, the rest of us, many who rarely post a comment, will gain some valuable insight. This will, in turn, help us to confront some of those aforementioned dolts in our day to day lives.

    I might also add that sometimes the “ban” card is played a little early. I say, let them make their argument. There are many posting members on this sight that live to verbally castrate the offenders that dare to step into the fray.

    That is my opinion. If someone thinks otherwise, wrong as they may be, they can post theirs.

  • gunslingr45

    talking common sense the pard, I like it.

  • irishgirl

    we still have to buy gas and groceries. A great victory, but the euphoria will fade soon. Kudos to our military and others who had a hand in it.

  • Danielle Davis (ocleverone)

    Bad economic policy, weak foreign policy, skyrocketing debt, etc.

    I will give credit where credit is due – it did happen on his watch. I applaud the military and the intelligence communities. And to him for carrying out the effort.

    But at the same time, I lay the onus of every other policy decision, every other leadership decision at his feet.

  • Danielle Davis (ocleverone)

    Bad economic policy, weak foreign policy, skyrocketing debt, etc.

    I will give credit where credit is due – it did happen on his watch. I applaud the military and the intelligence communities. And to him for carrying out the effort.

    But at the same time, I lay the onus of every other policy decision, every other leadership decision at his feet.

  • promise

    let’s see him do great & mighty things at our southern border!!!Because if he could personally get this done then the EVIL at the border should be a cake walk. I’m so sick of that man and his false bravado!
    I agree it was our wonderful WARRIORS & the CIA, believe me they certainly had NO help from the powers that be in DC!
    Thank you God for your mercy on us!!

  • promise

    let’s see him do great & mighty things at our southern border!!!Because if he could personally get this done then the EVIL at the border should be a cake walk. I’m so sick of that man and his false bravado!
    I agree it was our wonderful WARRIORS & the CIA, believe me they certainly had NO help from the powers that be in DC!
    Thank you God for your mercy on us!!

  • acat

    The buck stops in the oval office. Period.

    There is no way to vote “present”… and yet, he’s tried.

    Mew

  • Zaber

    You might want to go read the rules, Charles.

  • Zaber

    You might want to go read the rules, Charles.

  • Danielle Davis (ocleverone)

    He can’t cherry pick what is his responsibility.

  • Bill S

    send an email to the Contact link at the top. Do not start a meta-discussion on it here.

  • tedinmobile

    Implying exactly what…Zaber?

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    greatly, and like Erick said this happened on his watch so he deserves the credit. But the 2012 election wont be about foreign policy, its going to be about the economy and therefore this wont end up helping him much in that election. And even on the foreign policy front, while this will be a major victory for him, the Libyia endeavor looks like it will cancel it out.

  • Finrod

    We got the information necessary to kill bin Laden from one of the Guantanamo Bay prisoners, a facility Obama promised in his presidential campaign to close. Also, Obama kept on Bush’s SecDef and kept Petraeus close to the action. Obama’s opponent need merely point out that “Obama did well continuing the Bush strategy in Afghanistan” and the bile will rise on the far Left.

  • anencephalic

    Obama deserves the same credit Nixon got for putting a man on the moon.

  • anencephalic

    Obama deserves the same credit Nixon got for putting a man on the moon.

  • anencephalic

    Sorry ’bout that I’m a twin

  • knighted

    I don’t think so. Our military and intelligence agencies get 100% of the credit. I doubt Obama was ever in the loop on this operation.

    Obama disdains our military, just as he does the American people. He is an opportunist, same as all the other leaches in our federal government, and wouldn’t loose an opportunity to take credit no matter what the source.

    My guess is that he was in the middle of another one of his White House parties or on the golf course when the news broke on Bin Laden and was even pissed about being interrupted.

  • davidleigh

    This is great news for the USA to have sent her sons into this firefight and take this demonic enemy out of this world. Congratulations to the brave men (and women) who put this together over the years. I am no Obama supporter in the least and although the narcissistic comments he made concerning the victory in getting OBL are hard to swallow, at least he gave the go-ahead.

    But it is going to be very, very interesting to see the Adminstrations’s reaction once Jerome Corsi’s book hits the street. This approval index will be extremely short lived. The freak may be dead, but gas is high, milk is way up and the unemployed might as well reinvent themselves because there aren’t any jobs out there. That is the world we live in, and under Obama’s leadership it isn’t going to go away. cater may have had a “debacle in the desert” with his failed attempt at getting the hostages out, but prior to that chapter in history his fate was sealed completely. We just needed the right candidate. We’ll be ready. Hopefully Mitch Daniels announces his run for the WH. The republican candidate will have to LEAD the news stories…not from behind.

  • Ann_W

    But you don’t have to be silly about Obama, he ordered the operation, he could have waited ’til closer to the election. It’s a great day, just be happy.

  • http://www.amiciorgit.net amicijournal

    I do believe that this will make Obama end up winning in 2012, however his speech left me somewhat I awe. He seemed very nervous for one, and he stated to Muslim community, this is not a war against Muslim, I found was unnecessary, wt this time. But, he is what he is!

  • veritaseequitas

    shark food. Thank God for the brave men and women who conceived of the operation to eliminate OBL, and carried it out with such efficiency and at great risk to themselves. We, as a nation should be very proud and protective of our military.
    As for BOgus…of course, he will attempt to take all the credit. He does not do anything without an eye on his re-election campaign, and the media, of course, will put there spin on it. The voters must not put a halo around his head, without remembering the horns that sprout there as well. No to BOgus in 2012.

  • http://theundergroundconservative.wordpress.com pdigaudio

    His foreign policy is still a joke. Appeasement, weakness, bowing to dictators. You name it.

    Worst. President. Ever. And yes, still worse than Carter.

  • earlgrey

    On fighting the war on terror.

    I know I didn’t spell right correctly. I am so used to seeing a wr after Bush is . . .

  • knighted

    I don’t consider the last two plus years of Obama as being anything close to being silly. A travesty, a traitor to this country, a pretender are just a few of the terms more appropriate, but silly?

    As for it being a great day and being happy, why? Because of the death of another human being?

  • Ann_W

    I also don’t like what Obama’s done in this presidency, but to make up a scenario with which to criticize him is silly. Going so far out of the way to avoid saying he did something right also just diminishes credibility.

  • oi812

    I think not even though H.W.Bush started this campaign. I say the our military gets 100% of the credit for this Washington just gets in the way.
    God Bless America never forget.

  • azaeroprof

    However, my gut instinct when I heard the news was that this was the end of the 2012 election. After sleeping on it and reflecting the next morning, I don’t feel much differently.

    Fair or not, major events get credited to the “man on watch.” Reagan will forever be attached to the release of the Iranian hostages in people’s minds, even though his actions had little or nothing to do with it. People will generally remember that UBL was not captured or killed during GWB’s watch, but Obama “got him.”

    I pray to God I’m wrong, but my political instincts are usually pretty good. Hope I’m all wet here.

  • powertothepeople

    but I think the negatives against Obama will outweigh this positive. People have a tendency to forget in this country and when 2012 comes and they still have no job, the economy is still in the toilet, etc they will not look at Obama and state, ” no matter the conditions, he caught OBL.”

    I still think the 2012 election is going to boil down to a couple of equations and his win or loss will be based on those, not the OBL issue and these things are:

    Condition of economy at the time

    IS there hope on the horizon concerning our economy or is it still more of the same.

    Does Obama get his base fired up and can he regain the independent and youth vote like he had in 2008.

    And most importantly, who do we put up as his opponent. If we pull another McCain, we lose. If we put up someone who can gain the masses approval or at least not make them cringe, we win.

    Obama may win in 2012, but this issue will not be the deciding factor. If Obama wins, it will be because we beat ourselves.

  • billybaa

    Obama is hurting America much more than Osama ever did
    Obama and Hi-LIAR-y
    got Egypt overthrown
    now Obama’s Muslim-Brotherhood an take over as planned

  • BigRedConservative

    be key to the 2012 election, if only because Obama will make it. Come 2012 he will try and obfuscate his failure to save the economy by focusing on foreign policy. The GOP needs to make sure that they can fight him on two fronts-the economy and foreign policy.

  • runner12

    Obama. This man shamelessly is trying to take all of the credit for something he only happened to be in the WH for. The credit should be going to God, first and foremost. Closely followed by our brave military personnel who have given their lives for this moment.

    Obama’s own ego is what will be his downfall in 2012. Instead of taking this moment in history to be Presidential for once, he took it as an opportunity to campaign for his accomplishments. Add to this our bad economy and his huge foreign policy blunders in Libya and elsewhere, he is every bit as weak as he was last Friday.

    All he did was continue the policies of Bush, which were proved correct after all. I give him credit for that, but I doubt it was because he believed in them (he said as much as a Senator). It was more out of a realization of how incompetent he was in this area and that it was best to delegate such matters to those who knew better.

  • Zaber

    .

  • edingerb

    I only mentioned the quick banning practice as a support for the previous points about discussion and debate of the various topics, in this case the people who insult the poster rather than address his statements.

    If you are not the moderator of this diary, don’t moderate it. If you are the moderator, state something to that effect.

    Absent any other evidence, I will assume you are not and will take your opinion with a grain of salt.

  • powertothepeople

    and has no obligation to announce a thing to you especially considering he was have to wade through a bunch of written excrement to post a reply.

  • edingerb

    “This man shamelessly is trying to take all of the credit for something he only happened to be in the WH for.”

    In reality, as has been mentioned above in other posts, the guy in charge gets the credit.

    With that said, I have never seen any president (except Clinton) go out of their way to TAKE credit for something, rather than give credit to those who actually did the job.

    IF he had done that, there would have been plenty of yes-people and MSM to flood him with praise and credit. They will anyway, but I think he has given his detractors a little bit of ammo.

  • Bill S

    If someone wants to read about such things, they can go down the street to WND.

    And a) I don’t owe you any evidence, b) I am a moderator, and c) I could care less what your opinion is on the matter. The fact of the matter is that discussions of diary/site moderation are off limits Take it to the contact link.

  • Sheila_Frush

    I knew the minute I heard the news, the media’s take would be that this is the moment that will guarantee his re-election!

    And that was what was on his mind as he gave the speech last night…

  • greenboy

    …against the Republican ‘Dream Ticket’: h ttp://needlenose.com/wp/2011/04/11/the-gop-2012-dream-team/

  • acat

    I don’t want to underestimate the value of a foreign policy win – and this is a win.

    I don’t see, though, where this is a win with much in the way of legs.

    Consider that even Michael Moore would like to know if we can put shampoo bottles in our carry-ons again (based on Drudge, Moore’s site is down) the continued inconveniences of the war on terror are going to severely devalue this win….

    Consider further that foreign policy is not a historical Dem strong suit – iirc, historically more people trust the GOP on foreign policy – coupled with a lousy domestic economy, and I don’t see where this gets Obama any more than a short spike.

    Further, it may offer some challenges to him from the far left, or some opportunities to catch the far-lefties in their hypocrisy…. both of which will be useful in persuading the squishy middle to the Right in 2012.

    Mew

  • oi812

    this is not wag the dog !

  • greenboy

    Of course, Bush should get credit! No way Obama could have gotten Osama without Bush’s 7 years of fruitless effort! Now maybe Obama can nail the Anthrax Letter terrorist, based on Bush’s 7 years of fruitless effort trying to identify a “domestic” terrorist amongst an extremely small pool of suspects.

  • frankmac

    As much as we don’t like Obama’s policies, calling him worse than the person who is responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocents is beyond ridiculous. Use a little perspective, ok?

  • edingerb

    As to your comment title, I think you are referring to the part of my post that mentioned birthers. I hope you don’t think I was in any way supporting them. However, I do enjoy seeing a well articulate response to some blanket statement made by one of their type, or for that matter, any leftie that sticks his head in here.

    “And a) I don?t owe you any evidence, b) I am a moderator, and c) I could care less what your opinion is on the matter.”

    a) I was referring to the fact that there was no “evidence” that I could see in your response that would lead me to believe you were a moderator.

    b) That is now understood.

    c) I did not offer my opinion on the matter. However, is that your typical response?

    Bill, I did not post my original comment with the intent of upsetting anyone. My only intent was to urge some posters to curb their insults, especially to like-minded people who express an opinion on some diary.

    Below each comment box are these words “Be respectful, or be banned. No Profanity.” It is not my place to judge people, I was making a suggestion.

    Based on your original response, I can see that some of what I said (about banning, at least) goes somewhere else.

    I hope I have made amends to some extent.

  • edingerb

    by Bill S.

    I really don’t think he needs you to defend him.

    A simple “he is the moderator” would have sufficed.

  • izoneguy

    I don’t believe anything the Obama administration says.

    Let’s see the photos. Just like after Sadams sons met Allah.

    Was their a blood dialysis machine in Obamas house?

    OBL had a genetic kidney defect. He had been in a state of renal failure for years. Someone in that condition would need dialysis almost every other day.
    I doubt OBL was going to a doctor twice a week.

    Show us some proof.

  • runner12

    had Bush been provided the same intel, he would have made the call.

    The reality is that Obama spent most of his time in the Senate and during his campaign decrying the Bush War on Terror. Now when the fruits of that labor pay off, he wants to take the credit. Sorry, it does not work that way.

    Bush was not perfect, but he had more to do with this than Obama ever did.

  • cowatchman

    Personally speaking I put the faith in the American People to decide whether they are better off with Obama’s policy. In spite of every effort of the main stream media the American People have held on to their patriotism and love of country. The American People have seen the Black and White contrast between conservative values and liberalism. While it is wonderful to appreciate what was accomplished over the weekend by our military and The President and his staff it still doesn’t change the current landscape of the every day woe’s we face each day under this Administration. We see the gas prices rising and know instinctively there is a better way but as usual we run in to the grand wall of the Liberal ideas and the Environmentalists who seem to relish sticking it to the American People at every chance they can.

    I believe the contrast between the Obama “I” and the humbleness of Former President Bush certainly is a reminder that there is a better way and a better future to be had by all which doesn’t relate to spreading the wealth. I think the American People will remember the defiance of Obama and the Democrats with Healthcare and our ability to tap our own oil and gas reserves. The American People will weight the constant lies coming from this White House and the pure arrogance of the President on all things which matter to the heart and soul of each of us. As a reminder one has to remember that this victory began with the Bush/Chenney Administration and that Obama is purely a recipient of those policies. And of that fact the American People have already absorbed the delaying by the President beginning early in his term with the Somali Pirates and the almost blatant delay sending much needed troops to Afghanistan and the slow response by Obama to the Gulf oil spill. In each case there were wise individuals that offered sound advise that Obama disregarded so as to appear in control. I do not believe that the defeat handed to Obama in last November?s election was anything but a direct message that we don?t care for Obama?s plans nor the direction he intends to take this country.

    The killing of Osama did not begin with Obama; that resolve was there from the remembrance of 911. The CIA and the Military we just as dedicated to that end as they are keeping us safe on a day to day level. Many in the cheering crowd in front of the White House fence were but children when 911 happened. I dare say the young men and women that make up our armed forces are of that generation. Few should not forget the total amazement of many of the main stream media on the abilities of our young military personnel and their ability to get the job done. I for one cannot forget those who sacrificed all for this cause and for the Nation they serve. That was the jubilation we witnessed last night. Not the crafted delay of the White House and Obama.

    Obama has not won the right to a second term as yet. Much will depend on who ultimately will face him but more importantly is the American voter of whom many wish to correct a mistake made in 2008. The American people know our role in the world and our mistakes; We also know we are not the arrogant evil nation that Obama sees. Will he win? My bet leans to the memories of the American People. We didn?t forget what happened with the Democrats and this out of control President and we cast our votes to stop Obama and I believe we will do it again. Osama Bin Laden will not shape the 2012 election but Obama himself will.

  • rememberthemaine

    Great stuff. I often wonder if there is a blood dialysis machine in Obama’s house.

  • rememberthemaine

    Most intelligent Americans do know this victory began with the Bush/Chenney administration.

  • izoneguy

    I am mixing them up like Rush was doing today….

    Did bin Laden have kidney disease?
    http://www.massdevice.com/news/did-bin-laden-have-kidney-disease

    ?Now told had no kidney dialysis, but had kidney stones by high experts reported on news. False report to mislead his foes.?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/sunshine14/osama-bin-laden-dead-killed_n_856091_86613061.html

  • 6eorge Jetson

    Winston Churchill was arguably the most important man of the 20th century and it’s greatest leader. He who willed his country to perservere in the face of some extremely dark days, promising nothing other than blood, sweat, and tears.

    But Churchill’s extraordinary leadership did not get him reelected.

    Likewise, the American people will hire the man they believe will serve them best from 2013-2016. And the economy and the debt will be the focus.

    And so, without hesitation, I tip my hat to Obama for scoring the touchdown by running through the hole that the Bush administration’s intelligence created. It’s a great day for America and the whole world.