I must ask because you write the above absurdity, making claims against a man without backing them up in factual links, then the best example you can come up with is the Vikings Stadium thing. You say it is a sticky issue that still lingers for Tim………

Well lets see what you big beef is, you know the beef that would make it hard for you to vote for him should he be the nominee.

First, Tim felt the people of Minnesota should not pay for the stadium with the taxes. WOW such a horrible thing and such a non conservative thing to do.

Second, he simply told the dems who were pushing this issue, No. sort of blows open your never does anything “gutless” argument right out of the water. But then again, reading your nonsense pretty much tells me you are still crying about not getting a welfare stadium since 2010.

Third, he never told them they could not fund it, he only told them they could not fund it on the backs of the tax payer. He told them to look at lottery proceeds, but they and people like you continue to whine and straight out lie about the facts of the matter.

Fourth, why are states paying for stadiums for a private business that is a multi BILLION dollar business in the first place? Don’t tell me you are on of the people who buy into NFL owner threats that if tax payers do not grant them a welfare stadium, they will pack their bags and move? Are you one of those who buy into the nonsense owners such as Jerry Jones peddles when he talks about “his” stadium, “His” beautiful dream, “his” greatest most advanced stadium, when it was the poor souls in Texas that had to fork over hundreds of millions to make his dream come true yet get double tapped when they go to watch a game and have to pay almost $50 to park on the gravel they paid for and no less than a $100 to sit in the seats they paid for?

Your whole post is nothing more than a whine fest about a very conservative decision and if you think a pro business person like Cain would have made any other decision, you are fooling only yourself.

I am not a Tim supporter, nor am I behind any one person yet, but I do like honesty. And making a post like this is far from being honest and makes me question your conservative credentials and why you would make a post like this unless your intent is to sow seeds of strife.

you are splitting hairs. Could have, should have, all hindsight and not that different. You yourself offer no solution as to what should have been done with the Gopher situation, except to split hairs. You also do not address, which is where I assume you get the hands tied comment even though you placed it on the wrong area, the fact that the Gopher stadium was a bi partisan effort with a more than adequate veto proof majority, the fact that the stadium once shown that it needed to be replaced falls under budgetary responsibilities of the state, and that once again, the process to replace the stadium started prior to a Tim reign. Still does not change the fact that I agree, things could have been done different or that maybe Tim should have pushed it off a few years, but with the Gopher stadium, the states rules on assisting the school in its costs, and the fact that times were much different during those negotiations than they are now causes this whole discussion to be sort of silly. The viking issue came up when not only the country is in the shitter, but Minnesota as well. It was the right decision no matter the condition of the economy. And that is where I agree that the Twins stadium was a wrong move although I had to point out that there were much different issues at play with the Twins since he was not gov during most of the negotiations, most of the deal was done prior to Tim, economy was much better, etc.

And last but not least, never stated his hands were tied in any of the matters, especially not the Twins issue. The only inference I gave that his hands may have been tied was with the Gopher project due to the budgetary responsibilities and the veto proof majority. But I did not infer that they gave Tim a free hand in doing the wrong thing if there was a wrong thing done.

My only point, which you are missing, is that there are glaring differences between the three projects especially between the first two projects and the Vikings issue. There are glaring differences even between the Twins and the Gopher issues. There were differences between the economy then and now, who was in charge during most if not all the negotiations during the first two, difference between who owned the state congress then and now, etc. And I also made it clear, although you want to split hairs, that things could have been done different. With the Twins, under state law, Tim should have required a state vote and then if the voters approved it, done it. With the Gophers, he should have offered alternatives, such as you described, but at the end of the day he was law bound to assist the school of the past stadium was rightfully deemed necessary to replace and though he should have stood up and protested, any protests from him were a guaranteed over ride. Does not mean he should have bowed down even in the face of an assured over ride, but things were just different.

The core issue of this discussion was the Vikings. He did the right thing. I would agree with you things should have or could have been done different with the Twins issue and even the Gopher issue, so not sure what your point is other than splitting hairs on a word where both of us are dealing with hindsight and a completely different economy, issues, and government make up.