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Mitt Romney At His Apex?

If the Republican Presidential Primary were held today, Mitt Romney would probably be the nominee. But this may be the high water mark for Mitt Romney after yesterday’s speech at the University of Michigan in which he gave a full throated defense of Romneycare.

In fact, in his Power Point presentation on slide 7, Mitt Romney defends the individual mandate as okay at the state level, but not at the federal level. That nuance may be constitutionally sound, but it sounds very much like Romney defending European socialized medicine at the state level.

A lot of people have waited on the sidelines hoping Romney would distance himself from Romneycare or apologize for it as Pawlenty has done with his global warming nonsense. Instead, Romney embraced his record.

It is reassuring to see a candidate proud of his record — but being proud of destroying the Massachusetts healthcare system is nothing to be proud of. Thanks to Romneycare, the Massachusetts government is imposing price controls on hospitals, doctors, and other health care providers. They are doing everything conservatives have feared would happen under Obamacare.

The Democrats continue to point out that Obamacare derives from Romneycare. As the Wall Street Journal scornfully notes today

F. Scott Fitzgerald famously wrote that “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function.” If we may judge by his health-care speech at the University of Michigan yesterday, Mitt Romney is a very smart man.

The likely Republican Presidential candidate fulfilled the White House’s fondest wishes, defending the mandate-subsidize-overregulate program he enacted as Massachusetts Governor in 2006 even as he denounced President Obama’s national reprise. He then proposed his own U.S. reform that is sensible and might do so some actual good, but which also runs against the other two plans. These are unbridgeable policy and philosophical differences, though Mr. Romney is nonetheless trying to leap over them like Evel Knievel heading for the Snake River Canyon.

This will not help Mitt Romney moving forward.

COMMENTS

  • bcomber38

    I will never vote for romney.He loves obamacare.He did obamacare.no guts.wishy washy.NEVER EVER.

  • 20jan2013

    Mandates at the state level. Yea mandates.

    We want Obamacare defunded, repealed, and replaced. In that order.

    We do not want to replace the author of one failed system of socialized medicine with another.

    Biden better watch out–between Hillary and Mitt I don’t know WHO’s going to replace him.

  • republicanconscience

    Romney has a chance of getting the nomination and that is a disaster. For one, there will be no energy in the campaign without the Tea Party.

  • republicanconscience

    Taking the a PPP poll seriously is like taking the lying Commie-in-Chief seriously. The only difference is the PPP poll is not destroying our nation and economy.

  • davesinsanantonio

    pass the pistol around the circle of other RINOs running and hope they do the same.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    If the GOP nominee is to attract voters from all three categories [Republican, Independent and Democrat], and if Mitt gets the Prez nod…

    He will get virtually all of the Conservative vote,
    He will be able to attract most of the Independent vote ["It's the Economy, stupid!": gas-prices, unemployment, etc.].
    He won’t be subject to D-arguments against the Individual-Mandate, for this would violate its own mantras!

    Thus, his reliance on the federalism-argument [which he also invoked when I asked him about this a year ago, when he endorsed Toomey] survives critique AND is politically astute.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    If the major reason he is accused of being a RINO is his support for having signed-off on RomneyCare, the above terse-analysis allows the unbiased analyst to conclude that his other positives [strong conservative-cred for a half-decade, despite intense critique/ridicule] should help him prevail against BHO.

  • funkyconservative

    Here! Here! My pleasure to provide the silver bullets.

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    I often heard we had the best hospitals and doctors in the Nation. That is changing now under socialized medicine. What is disturbing to me is the MA GOP has not denounced the decline of the state’s health care system.

  • southernpatriots

    Romney is not a conservative. Some Republicans are not conservatives and some do not have much backbone. Romney may think over what he has done and make modifications on his comments, such as: “I thought it was a good idea when I signed it but since I have seen the devastation to the state government and to health care in the state and I now support private initiatives.” Think he will amend to something like that? No. And that is sad.

  • 20jan2013

    “If Mitt gets the Prez [nomination] nod,” yes, he will get virtually all of the conservative vote.

    In other news, if my aunt had wheels, she’d be a trolley.

  • gunslingr45

    Mitt/McCain/any other RINO I can think of. I hope the GOP does not force me to go third party this time. I stuck around for McCain, I won’t be party to another cluster you know what this time.
    I don’t see Trump as a good choice.

  • ihateliberals

    around to the other losers like Ron Paul. If these two are our best and brightest then the Republican party and the nations is doomed. Why should we want to trade Obamacare for Romneycare. what’s the difference. My point is tht the Government should have nothing to do with my choice to have or not have insurance and the government should not be in the business of business. Romney please just go back to your Mormon Temple and shut up about being president. i am a Mormon and you discuss me. You fly in the face of church teachings which is to be self sufficient. being on the lamb to the government for health care hardly allows me to be self sufficient.

  • travelkingnh

    Say whatever you want to about every other position or strength/weakness that Romney brings to the race….if he is the nominee, we lose the election against BHO on one issue alone–Healthcare. Directly tied to economic issues is Obamacare. The nominee HAS to use Obamacare as the club against BHO from beginning to end to win this election. Mitt can’t do it.

    There is no question that Romney is at his apex here in NH. He has no place to go but down. He could still take NH, so the real question is who finishes as the strong runner up? If Romney actually lost NH, after running here for the past 4 years, he is probably done……he HAS to win NH. All of us non Romney NH voters have to weed out and find the one best alternative to get behind who can win against BHO. Unless someone like Christie enters the race, it looks more and more like T-Paw emerges as the Romney alternative…………the anti-Romney.

  • 20jan2013

    Everybody knows Huckabee is the anti-Romney. They can’t stand each other, and there are some good reasons for it.

  • MisterC

    the nomination as McCain did. MOST everyone knew McCain was not a good choice. But, it was his “turn”. I have read that before. We were doomed by his candidacy.

    If, Trump were to win the primary we could be doomed again.

    He is the only one here and now taking it to Obumer and getting some good marks. If he won it would be him against the Dems AND the establishment Repubs.

  • texan4america

    will I vote for Romney!!! What conservatives need is a strong candidate — hopefully one will show up sooner than later!

  • dalebret

    This article is about a stupid as stupid gets. It simple mirrors, spreads, and amplifies the Democrat narrative about the Republican leader in the polls.
    Doesn’t anybody at RedState know anything about Mass. politics? I lived in the state for several years; it is a leftist state in which the good-hearted people act as if “How will we pay for it?” is code for “I hate Democrats, Blacks, Jews, poor people, sick people, cats, and little puppies.” The healthcare monstrosity there was without doubt the best package that could be passed. The alternatives were all worse! It is to Romney’s credit that, instead of bad-mouthing his political opponents in the state he says, quite correctly, “It was good for Massachusetts but not good for the United States.” And please do not raise the talking points about how it costs more than projected; or, if you do, name one other government run program that does not cost more than the politicians said it would.

  • texan4america

    to that!

  • annplato

    but the truth is that he proved that he is not strong willed and he was contaminated with liberal ideology. He, unfortunately, did not have the guts to admit that he WAS WRONG to embrace any of the policies pushed unto his governor’s desk. I do believe even a governor of Massachusetts has the veto power. To say now that the policy was good for MA just shows his head did not clear up from that sickness. No, he cannot be considered viable for the nomination of the Republican Party’s presidential contender.

    Pawlenty is something else, yet I am not convinced that he is any better than Romney. If he would have attacked his ?mistake? head-on then yes, I would have believed him, but having been coerced out of him by a questioner in the Republican debate weakened him, big time! No wonder Herman Cain came out in front of Pawlenty!

    I am somewhat confused why the FoxNews pundits don’t push for Herman Cain more strongly? What?s wrong with that? What?s in the closet of Herman Cain that we don?t know about that he is not being adequately backed by seemingly none of the “king makers” in the conservative crowd?

  • wennejunk

    Romney should simply man up, stop playing the moderate wiggle and say:

    “Mass. and every other overtaxed, over regulated state are fiscally unsound and have policies that are unsustainable that are bankrupting their state.

    We made an attempt, under my watch, to implement a program, that in retrospect, was ill advised and I would have better off quitting and moving away from this slow motion train wreck- as so many of the State’s residents are – than to waste my time going for the ‘best package that could be passed’.

    Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

    A squish is still a squish.

  • steve010

    The GOP needs to turn to get to 270: FL,NC,VA,OH,IN and NH.

  • annplato

    for the mood of the nation in 2008. He knew it, I knew it and everyone who can think knew that ANY Republican nominee had no chance against the media brainwashed wishy-washy “independents”; that with the “first black” presidential nominee (?clean? from any baggage and ?articulate?)of the Democrat Party and the leftist worshipping crowd in the MSM, Obama HAD to happen.

    I am not sure that the “independents” had awakened to the danger their choice president has brought upon us and that they will vote anyone but Obama! The independents with the 13 to 14 % black vote can virtually guarantee a second term for the Obumbler, even if it will turn out to be the last nail in the coffin of our free market capitalist system.

    I am resigned to the fate of our nation, as I believe that God teaches His people, often times quite cruelly if they don?t repent of their sins. There aren?t enough conservatives who stand by the God of Natural Laws and defy the trend of being tolerant towards enemies of God and His laws of creation.

  • annplato

    He is the quasi conservative of the Christian (pastor?!) far-rightists! He is perfect as a religious leader, but he cannot be the secular leader of a nation as diverse as ours, where the majority, even if spiritual Christian, are not overly religious of ANY denomination.

    We need a nominee who has no political background what-so-ever (so the MSM has nothing to latch onto) AND preferably of the same race as the incumbent (so the MSM will have less of a target with their “racist card?) and that would be Herman Cain! I do know a little (as much as it is available right now) about him and in the SC debate he did make a good showing. Why won?t ANYONE consider him?

  • Ann_W

    I mention him all the time, but I know what you mean. Even on Fox sometimes when they rattle off the candidates they skip him.

    But I do think he’s starting to get more notice, I guess it’s up to us.

  • chihank

    I have no idea if Huckabee is going to run. My gut feeling tells me that Huck would like to run, but is concerned if he can raise enough money to maintain a Presidential campaign. Huck is at the top of the GOP primary polls. Plus he does better at facing Obama than othe rmentioned candidates. I hope Huck runs.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    http://dailypaul.com/153575/herman-cain-2012-hopeful-theres-no-reason-to-audit-the-federal-reserve

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    after he won the nomination

  • acat

    if he’s assured of receiving enough donations….

    and of losing the nomination.

    That way, he could stick the donations in his pocket, y’see, then trot on back to his TV career.

    Somehow, every time I hear Huckabee, I see Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker….

    Mew

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    we need to apply this type of strategery when choosing our candidate

    btw, he just said what i wrote, quoting his prediction from last week that Romney would otherwise have reinforced the “flip-flop” narrative

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    you are correct that he could disclaim responsibility for how RomneyCare has evolved during the past half-decade

    you are incorrect when disclaiming Romney is conservative, overall

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    for, had he NOT supported the bailout, he could have won.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    regardless of his religion [and even a co-religionist should not attempt to do so].

    Here, Romney does support constitutional limited government, entrepreneurship, self-sufficiency, etc.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Cain defends the Fed; this is a disqualifier.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    that may be recalled from the prior “cycle”; if memory serves, he was a big-spender Governor, he was lax when pre-releasing a murderer, and he exclusively endorses creationism without recognizing any potential applicability of evolution.

    [this is not referenced, but it reflects his current comfort-level with "finally making some $$$"...which I believe he said a few months ago @ the beginning of his Saturday-p.m. FNC show.]

    also, i believe i read recently that he would predictably collapse after winning Iowa

  • renny

    because whether or not the prince of your choice gets to be Rep. nominee, you should vote Rep, even. if a goldfish is nominated.

    little o CANNOT be pres. for another 4 years, because you will get: 1 or 2 more of o’s choices on the Sup. Ct., universal gay marriage, all of o’care, amnesty for illegals, no religious freedom in expression of opinion, Muslim shar’iah law in local areas, further dumbed-down pub. ed., the continuation of the Great Recession, which is the way toward European socialism, and more reverse discrimination across the board.

    As an aside, I do not like Romney either. He is a re-tread.

  • renny

    he might still have won. HE had the momentum at the time.

    But when Bush fell for Paulson’s hysteria and desire to promote his own buddies, McCain suspended campaigning and went to DC to help the country.

    little o dropped by for a vote and was back on the road 20 seconds later, with little to no thought of what was best for the nation because he and his sycophants in the press had already decided a financial disaster was just what o’s campaign needed.

    Two weeks later, the banks were upside down and little o’s numbers were on top.

  • djvu

    If the Republicans nominate Romney. I, a lifetime Republican, will vote for Obama whom I detest, but at least he is smart enough to know that he wants to destroy America while Romney has such a mind set that he doesn’t know he is destroying America.
    Robert Palmer Smith,
    PS Eriic: Is there no one out there that we can support? I can’t believe that the Republicans would nominate Romney.

  • acat
  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    If anything, I’m praying that he doesn’t run.

  • acat

    Meanwhile, the rest of us will continue seeing how candidates stand on social and fiscal issues. We won’t get in your way, it’s quite clear where Ron Paul stands on both – wherever he stands to earn the most.

    Mew

  • acat

    Not in the primary, though.

    The only exception to voting for whoever the GOP nominate is Ron Paul.

    I will vote Green Party instead.

    (I will then vote GOP for every other office on the ballot)

    Mew

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    [FNC just announced this; I predict he won't run.]

  • annplato

    Is that a reason why Herman Cain should not even be looked at?

    The Federal Reserve Bank, as far as I understand, is NOT a government entity, so its auditing will not necessarily solve our fiscal problems.

    Some suggest that the Federal Reserve Bank SHOULD become a truly FEDERAL institution so the Federal Government can have more control over the “printing” of money. I am not sure if that is a “good” solution, but “auditing it is fruitless, unless you want EVERY private corporation to be audited by Congress. I don’t like the idea of Congress to have a Damocles’ sword over ANY private institution.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    come in second and be a major definer of the GOP nomination race or he will win the nomination.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    it would mean that the United States as we know it had ceased to exist.

  • lineholder

    I live in NC. I can’t see conservatives at a grass-roots level of this state going for Romney, unless they have no other choice. I have family in VA, and what little I know of grass-roots conservatives in that state, Romney probably would not do well there either.

    Sorry, guys.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    and his explanation for marital infidelity – patriotism – iw a killer.

  • 20jan2013
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  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    All the rest save Cain and Paws have “real” negatives.

    I’m a substance guy and despite my loathing of the “FAIR” tax, I don’t call that, nor Cain’s lack of elective office experience a negative in my book. His loss to Isakson (I campaigned for Cain) is a minor negative, but nothing like Santorum’s, imho as Santorum lost the trust of voters due to his support for Specter. Cain lost to a fellow conservative in GA.

    Pawlenty has renounced his prior support for cap and trade and is otherwise perfect on the issues.

    I supported Romney before Fred in 2008, but his refusal to uncategorically renounce RomneyCare is a huge negative.

    Daniels exhibits too much beltway love despite a great record in IN. Christy has a top ten very liberal/radical list of negatives despite a great record and soundbites in NJ. Plus, I think Mitch’s personality is simply too flakey.

    Newt showed himself the egomaniac as Speaker and succumbed then and as a commentator to beltway fever, but his rhetorical skills are what makes him formidable.

    But yes, I think he will not get the nomination…barely.

  • 20jan2013

    Slow down, pardner!

    Speaking as a gay athiest, I think Mike Huckabee would be just fine. I believe in diversity, and that includes white, straight, Christian males who happen to be former pastors and/or successful two-term governors. So him being a good Christian man doesn’t disqualify him in my book, and if I can hack him on that score, anybody can.

    Herman Cain has political background. He ran unsuccessfully for Senate. He was a Federal Reserve Board member.

    I can’t support him having just learned that he endorsed Romney (you get Romneycare and two pairs of flip flops as a package deal with that pick). I can’t support him having just learned he supported the Wall Street bailout and TARP. And he apparently doesn’t think we the people have the right to audit the Federal Reserve.

    So I did consider him. He’s better than Romney; I’ll give you that.

    Signed,
    Quasi-Conservative Far Rightist (lol j/k)

  • Christian

    To answer your final question, the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) wound up costing far less than originally promised ($25 billion actual versus $300 billion originally projected). Not saying it happens often, just that it does happen from time to time….

  • 20jan2013

    Big spender? That’s subjective. Neither of us can prove or disprove that. My opinion is he kept taxes low overall (lowered far more than he raised). As a matter of fact, he balanced the budget as he was constitutionally required.

    You can’t prove he released (I don’t know what “pre-releasing” means) a murderer, because the guy he signed commutation for was only a property criminal yet. The former Arkansas governor you want to hold that against is Huckabee’s Democrat successor, who actually paroled the guy AFTER he was convicted of an armed robbery. Huckabee didn’t release the guy.

    His collapse after winning Iowa exists only in the fantasies of establishment Republicans.

  • 20jan2013

    The purpose of RedState.com is:

    to promote conservative ideals within the vehicle of the Republican Party

    I’m going to wait until 2013 at the earliest before I disqualify myself from this website and go 3rd party.

  • 20jan2013
  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    to your opinions regarding Romney’s conservative credentials…

    I just don’t understand what you meant by:

    Romney please just go back to your Mormon Temple and shut up about being president. i am a Mormon and you dis[gust] me. You fly in the face of church teachings which is to be self sufficient. being on the lamb [dole?] to the government for health care hardly allows me to be self sufficient.

    … It is just beyond my comprehension where you were going with that… do you care to enlighten me?

  • acat

    I don’t see how stealing this issue from Ron Paul helps him…

    Mew

  • Ann_W
  • Ann_W

    How is supporting someone who was a flip flopper disqualify someone more than someone who pardoned people who went on to murder? And who has ethics questions in his background. I don’t get that.

    I would like to hear him on TARP, etc. that does surprise me.

    Wow, a gay atheist who would vote for the Huckster, you don’t see that everyday.

  • soljerblue

    I have always believed — even when I have done so — that voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil. In the case of Obama-versus-whoever in 2012, however, the greater evil has been right before our eyes since January 2009. But I still think — and as the so-called GOP “field” begins to become clearer — that our best hope is to be damsure the House stays, and the Senate goes Republican in 2012. I we can grow conservatism in Congress, we can do much to turn aside Obama’s agenda, and keep a so-so Republican in the WH honest.

  • powertothepeople

    Hucks involvement in the early release of a soon to be cop killer (4 cops)

    LINK1

    Another dealing with the same
    LINK2

    Article to Hucks involvement in getting a killer/rapist released even though victims family begged him not to, only to have the guy rape/kill again

    LINK3

    And the same link as before clearly showing Hucks love of taxes, the fact that he did cut taxes close to 90 times lowering taxes over 370 million yet raised taxes 21 times to a net tune of over 500 million in tax increases. This means for his 90 tax cuts, he still increased the tax burden of his citizens to a tune of over 505 million. Not too mention the blatant lie where he claimed he raised taxes on each gallon of gas due to voter approval when in fact he raised the cost without approval, then asked for a vote. You can claim all day long his raising of the tax burden had to do with a balanced budget, but this is pure horse poo and is the bedrock of the argument of democrats. You can balance a budget without raising taxes each and every time by cutting non essential budgetary items.

    Like him, fine. Worship him, hate him, I could care less. But at least be honest in your attempts to make him a deity or you do yourself and him a disservice. I would vote for him in the general, but at least I would be honest in what I dislike about him and what I respect about him. You should try the same. I would disagree with many on their nitpicking about certain candidates and in turn trying to make theirs seem the part of a saint because you could name any politician and there is baggage, some more than others. I love Jim DeMint, but he has had his own shortcomings. You need to be honest about Hucks, and he does have a few.

    LINK4

  • concap

    http://citizens4cain.com/site/blog/2011/05/07/anti-fed-reserve-groups-got-it-wrong-on-herman-cain-2/

  • concap

    http://citizens4cain.com/site/blog/2011/05/07/anti-fed-reserve-groups-got-it-wrong-on-herman-cain-2/

  • aesthete

    No, it isn’t. First of all, Romney was not particularly bound by the MA legislature: according to his own words, he was convinced by a business owner who told him that healthcare costs were ruining his business. The impetus for a state healthcare bill came from Romney: he can’t hide behind the legislature when he brought it up as a political topic. Moreover, Romney a) did not make an attempt to convince MA voters to embrace a free market alternative, and b) did not, at the time of passing, note any problems with the bill. If the legislature had bound me, I would have screamed to the high heavens about the problems with the bill, and tied it to the Dems. Instead, as late as the Presidential election, Romney was touting it as a great conservative bill that reduced costs etc. Despite this, he might have salvaged a little bit of his credibility on this issue if he’d flip-flopped on RomneyCare (not like he hasn’t flip-flopped before). Despite this, he chose to defend his bill. Any Republican who opposes ObamaCare must in good conscience vote against Romney: he initiated the discussion, he galvanized support for his proposal among Dems, and has continued to defend it long after its failures were evident.

  • aesthete

    as well as the TARP bailouts.

  • aesthete

    Because for most of us, “successful” governance means limiting the scope and reach of government programs, simplifying/streamlining the tax code and other government services, delegating as many government functions to non-coercive, non-state actors as possible, and ensuring that the laws on the books are just, fair, moral and enforced. IOW, returning power to the individual, preventing injustice and serving justice to all who have been unjust. Huck fails on all of those counts: the tax code was made more complex through the addition of 100s of loopholes perversely called “tax cuts”, government spending and taxation went up (with Huck’s full support), and of course, justice was abrogated by the record number of commutations and pardons that Huck issued, with little thought put into them and terrible rationales for said commutations.

    As a bonus, Huck is also rhetorically bad on the issues that he could not influence as Gov: on foreign policy, for example, he claimed in a Foreign Affairs op-ed penned by himself that Bush’s “arrogant bunker mentality” (his words, not mine) was to blame for our problems in the world, and that what we needed was a good ol’ kumbaya session to get the world to like us better. I’m not Bush’s biggest fan on foreign and domestic problems, but Huck attacked him on that issue from the *left*, not the right. Likewise, on illegal immigration he questioned both the Christianity and the racism of a Republican colleague who introduced an anti-illegals bill. I’m certainly not in the mainstream on my views regarding immigration here, but impugning the Christianity and racism of colleagues and of supporters of the bill is a bridge too far (esp since the bill was simply meant to limit state expenditures on illegals). I can dig out some more if you’d like (but I think RWM did just a stellar job ripping your “argument” to threads on that other thread, so I won’t steal her thunder).

    Huck is a failure and a moron. Who better to represent him on this site than a loudmouth who wouldn’t know a good argument if it pimp-slapped him on the face?

  • aesthete

    He’ll run like a gazelle runs from a lion to avoid a discussion of his pardons.

    Oh, you mean for President? Heh.

  • aesthete

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

    *pauses for air, gasping*

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Let it never be said that 20jan is not amusing :)

  • rickbull

    This is what George Orwell (aka Eric Blair) referred to as “Doublethink” and it is not a good thing.

    WAR IS PEACE

    FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

    IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

  • rickbull
  • AceInTX

    Get this through your ever loving thick skull…Romney can’t simultaneously he had no choice but to pass Romneycare and brag about how great Romney care is….

    As we’re fond of saying down here….that dog don’t hunt

    He’s bragging about it and saying he’d do it again….so spare us the….It’s a blue state and he had no choice…pablum

    Romney is a typical northeastern establishment politician, he’ll say anything…put on any costume he has to to get elected, and he’ll revert to the Northeastern establishment’s European statist elitism as soon as he’s in office.

    If he’s president we’ll get more bail outs, (He called for bailing out Detroit in 2008 before Obama did), We’ll get cap and trade..(He’s always been for it even when he’s been against it) and we’ll get Obamacare locked into perpetuity, (his waiver strategy will remove the individual mandate from the equation and prevent the Supreme Court from over turning it since the unconstitutional mandate will be undermined thus no reason to vacate the law)

    Romney is a Wolf in sheep’s clothing, He’s Nixon, or Ford…he’s like the rest of the Ivy League brats who’s rich daddies groomed to be president. He got his ivy league degree…he’s been taught by the best left wing euro…socialists that kind of education can buy. He’s been fully indoctrinated into the government knows best and is the ultimate solution to everything club and he governed that way in Mass.

    This isn’t about what he was forced to do in a blue state…this is what he gleefully did and now wants to take credit for…well…he deserves the credit he’s seeking and he deserves to have Romneycare hung around his neck like a millstone and have it tossed into Boston Harbor

  • AceInTX

    How’d that work out for ya big boy?

  • AceInTX

    when are the Geniuses in Washington going to wake up and realize Trump is getting points because he’s in there fighting and exacting a pound of flesh from the One

    When are they going to wake up to the fact that Cristy is popular with independents and conservatives alike because he fights.

    when are we going to quit with the kissie face respectful campaigns and go after Obama hammer and tongue the way Reagan went after Carter.

    When are we going to have our Rhambo to take out the Dems in an alley fight?

  • powertothepeople

    There are a few states we will not get if Jesus himself was our candidate, they are simply way to ignorantly democrat. But as to some other states that have leaned democrat over the last 20 years or so, we can take those states with a little effort and the right person and it does not have to be Romney. In fact, I think Romney would be the absolute wrong person considering one of the biggest reasons these states may flip to our side is the out of control government growth demonstrated by Obamacare which would hurt Romney since he has his own version of the plan and still likes it.

  • AceInTX

    and his on again advocacy of Cap and Tax

    seriously…you need to get a grip on reality

  • AceInTX
  • AceInTX

    unless the comments are closed

  • AceInTX

    Huckabee’s career as a pastor is open season?

    I’m not on the Huckabee wagon but I’m sick of the double standard on this….and as a Christian I’m sick of being called “Far Right”

    Tell half the signers of the Declaration who all had theological degrees that a Cristian can’t be President….

    The Idea that someone can’t be President if they ever lead a congregation is offensive to me and many here

    Attack Huckabee as a big spender and a big government pseudo conservative but let’s lay off his religion shall we?

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    With Romney the issue is his religious denomination.

    With Huckabee the issue is that he doesn’t walk the walk. He claims to be a Christian pastor out of one side of his mouth and lies his ass off about his record in AR out of the other side. And then there’s the “wedding gift list” when he left office. And how he was a breath away from stealing the furniture out of the Governor’s mansion.

    Nobody that I know of questions Romney’s dedication to the principles of his faith – the issue with some people IS his faith. With Huckabee the issue is his lack of dedication to the basic principles of his faith.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    fool of yourself. Well, maybe next time. Too late this time.

  • AceInTX

    The man doesn’t know when to shut the HXXX up

    He’ll talk and yammer his way out of the nomination in no time flat…

    that’s my take

  • AceInTX

    his Pardons
    His Defense of Reverend Wright
    His Spending
    He looks like Gomer Pile
    He’s Snaggle Toothed….(He used to be actually..he got that sucker filed down)

    But lay off yammering about the “Pastor” in sarcastic prose

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I do care that he thinks he can repeatedly tell out-and-out lies when there are multiple YouTube videos attesting to what he’s denying.

    “I” don’t think I’ve ever attacked him for being a pastor. I also don’t care about your last two thingys either. I have attacked him frequently (in 08) for all those other things you’ve listed and will again.

  • AceInTX

    I thought you had…

    but I didn’t direct my original comment to you…yet you slid right into it.

    I just find it amazing that we’re all to keep Romney’s religion off limits yet it’s open season on Huckabee’s Pastorate…

    but then…such is life aye?

    As for attacking him for all the things I listed…I would expect no less and would be disappointed in you if you didn’t….

    but there are plenty here who can’t mention Huckabee without whipping out the sarcastic and caustic “Pastor” jab and it’s getting REALLY tiresome

  • aesthete

    By and large, besides some standard Mormon outreach stuff, Romney is not using his faith as a cudgel against other candidates or for political advantage: in fact, it’s been to his political disadvantage in the primaries. Mike Huckabee, OTOH, has milked his pastoral creds — both to impugn the Christianity of fellow representatives, and to bash those of another religion. Knowing that he is a representative of Christ (a shepherd in his flock, even), he engages in corrupt, scandalous behavior as noted by ‘becker. As a Christian, I don’t particularly care about what Romney does as a Mormon: it’s not my faith, and even if it was, he doesn’t seem to be showcasing it inappropriately.

    Pastors are held to a higher standard: this is a good thing. My reaction to finding out that my pastor is cheating on his wife is dramatically different from finding out that my heathen co-worker is. It’s wrong in both cases, but the burden of knowledge is much greater for those placed in authority over the flock than for the lost — millstone-’round-the-neck-cast-into-the-sea type of stuff. It’s much like how we attack Trump’s many business failures, despite the fact that we on the right love business: they are relevant when the candidate is presenting himself in a manner that directly references his former occupation.

    I loathe both Romney and Huckabee as Presidential candidates. In a fight between the two, I don’t particularly care who comes out on top. I *am* much more peeved on a personal level, however, that one of the two candidates is hijacking my faith and telling me and my friend that we aren’t Christian enough for him just because we disagree with him on illegal immigration, his candidacy, or some other issue. I’m irritated that he uses a “prayer list” as a cynical ploy to garner a mailing list. God is not mocked, and Mike Huckabee is treading on sacred ground. He’d best remember that.

  • powertothepeople
  • silentcal2012

    There is no double standard. If there were, Pawlenty or Bachmann’s devout evangelicism would be an issue. Or Gingrich or Santorum’s Catholicism.

    Its only an issue because Huck made it an issue. He ran as the true Christian leader in 2008. That was his hook. He mocked aspects of Mormonism in interviews. He labeled himself Christian leader in his ads. He led the whisper campaign against the other apostate candidates including Rudy and Fred. He had to. His real record was putrid,

    If Romney was running as Bishop Romney and calling himself the true Christian leader in the race and mocking evangelicals for being snake charmers, there would be a backlash against him to.

    You reap what you sow. Not only was Huckabee sanctimonious, he was a hypocrite. You might not want to run as the true Christian leader when’ve run the most corrupt administration of all the candidates..

  • AceInTX

    There is plenty to attack Huckabaee on that don’t involve his faith

    And yes, Romney and his sycophantic supporters do use his faith as a cudgel to pummel any who would dare criticize him as anti Mormon

    I know….because I was one of those attacked on a constant basis..any criticism of the man came back to his being a Mormon and the criticizer being an anti Mormon Bigot…not unlike the Left is doing today equating any criticism of Barry with being a hood wearing, torch carrying member of the KKK.

    I’m telling you…I started out list cycle prepared to support Romney in the end and figured we’d end up defaulting to him. H had a couple people ahead of him…and I pushed them…but I always had it in my mind that I would end up gladly supporting him…but then I went through the name calling and attacks on my so called bigotry….

    It’s personal for me now. Even if Romney was the perfect candidate in every possible way up, down and sideways I would oppose him because of it.

    yet he’s untouchable on the faith issue while Huckabee’s fair game…I have no love for Huckabee either…I backed him as to best of a field of bad choices last time but he’s done and said some things since that disgust and disturb me….

    There is plenty to attack him on without going there….spin it as you will but it’s a double standard and it does not serve those who do it well.

    BTW, I don’t think he’s running anyway…

  • AceInTX

    because his game has always been to play the martyr and his minions spent the last campaign attacking anyone who would criticize him as bigots and Mormon haters.. and he lost me completely because of it.

    I’ve always said I started last cycle backing a couple different people…Brownback, then Huckabee….but I always had it in mind that Romney would likely be the guy and I always figured I’d fall back to him

    but the poor me….I’m hated because I’m a Mormon routine destroyed any possibility of my ever supporting him.

    If he wins the nomination, I’ll be less vocal in my loathing of him than I was McCain but I’ll be just as disgusted walking into a booth and pulling the lever for him

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    he retires to a monastery and is never heard from again.