Unless by “resonate” you mean “cause loathing and revulsion”…

Mew

I still like a Pawlenty/Rubio ticket, and like Eric, I have some strong disagreements with Huckabee. That being said, I would much prefer Huckabee on the ticket than Romney or Gingrich. Romney seems to lack any core convictions, and is a total failure on the biggest issue of 2012: healthcare. Newt Gingrich is a has-been who has so much baggage there aren’t enough days until the election for the NYT to run front page stories. Huckabee is not my first choice, but if having his as our candidate means that we don’t have to carry the water for Mitt or Newt, so be it.

Since, y’know, I don’t trust Huckabee either.

Mew

But he still gets the job done. You don’t have to be super-tough and aggressive to get the right things done, particularly if it’s not your personality. Huck got plenty of stuff done as governor, that was undeniably conservative.

Most of the candidates out right now are good on the issues. Sure they all have some baggage. But what really matters at election day is appealing to the American voters. And Huck can do that better than everyone.

Why was the drummer behind a Lexan cage?

60 mins I’ll never get back…

really like the way you think.

On this, we are solidly in agreement.

Huck’s religious status is irrelevant to me. As long as he’s a tax-and-spend big-government statist, I won’t support him.

Someone needs to show him that there’s more than one road to Damascus.

Mew

Great job differentiating. I wish more people on this site would use SoCon or FisCon (you can be both, but one has to take precedents over the other) when talking about a candidate or themselves when posting instead of just Conservative.

The US depends on this now more than ever. I feel that people who don’t differentiate are hiding. They are people on the right, who are on the left side of the right, ie. Bush, Huck, Mitt and most of the rest running in 12.

Huck is a Hider.

Great job differentiating. I wish more people on this site would use SoCon or FisCon (you can be both, but one has to take precedents over the other) when talking about a candidate or themselves when posting instead of just Conservative.

The US depends on this now more than ever. I feel that people who don’t differentiate are hiding. They are people on the right, who are on the left side of the right, ie. Bush, Huck, Mitt and most of the rest running in 12.

Huck is a Hider.

Prove it.

AR Dems, not DC Dems. Either way, I’d rather not work with them…..

1. Never met a tax he didn’t like. YouTube vids were available in 08 of him speaking to the AR legislature pleading for new taxes and he ran down a list of all AR taxes while asking the legislature to send him tax increases.

2. He’s a serial liar. When caught on his tax pleas by Club for Growth he denied it in the face of half-dozen different videos.

3. “Supported” a human life amendment without bothering to define which version or how he planned to get something passed.

4. Came out in favor of the FairTax ONLY because they had a national organization that he could co-opt and run his 08 campaign on the cheap.

5. Raised taxes in Arkansas by about 50% during his term in office.

6. Released over 1000 felons with pardons.

7. Has never found a problem that couldn’t be fixed by government.

8. Is an unabashed amnesty supporter, is now claiming he wants a secure border before the issue of illegals is addressed.

9. Set up a “wedding gift” registry when he left the AR governor’s office.

10. Was well on his way to taking the furniture out of the governor’s mansion when he left office.

11. Was governor for ten years and left the Republican Party in worse – or at least no better – shape than when he took office.

Huckabee is absolutely 100% wrong on EVERY issue. He’s a progressive on every important issue, is an absolute serial liar who makes Obama look like an honest man and you might want to recall that in 08 he said that GWB wasn’t all that compassionate and he looked forward to being President to he could show us what a REAL compassionate conservative is.

“He’s a social conservative as well. And yet he knows how to work with Democrats“.

That’s because, these days, they are all most one in same.
That is why most of the replies on this post are against him.

“Both Huck and Cain fit the bill. I’m not so sure about anyone else”

Cain is on the far right of right, and Huck is on the far left of right.
Huck is saying what needs to be to get elected,
and Cain is saying what needs to be tohelp save the Country.
They are on way near one in the same.

I guess I just don’t see that – and his show makes me uncomfortable!

Sounds exactly like the kind of man I want for president. Picture a “mean Reagan”… or not. And why can nice people not be “real leaders”? Reagan was a “nice guy”, and yet he got serious when things got serious. Would I really want to work for you?

Can’t stand Trump the candidate, but the Apprentice is a guilty pleasure of mine.

using IE as a browser. Try Firefox or Safari instead.

I said a long time ago that this time it would be fresh faces and none of the tired old guys who ran last time.

The only reason he lasted as long as he did was because of his tag teaming with McCain. Uggg.

-nt

Matches mine 100%.

Supports NJ’s Cap N Trade, doesn’t believe illegals are illegal, won’t join other Rep Governors against Obamacare, supported the ground zero mosque and as Attorney released a Muslim associated with Hamas.

http://conservativenewjersey.com/the-myth-of-christie-conservatism-intro

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/governor-christies-islamist-problem/

Don’t like Pawlenty much and you REALLY have to do more investigating on Christie. He’s just a loud mouth, someone people like to hear go after the unions. But he’s no Conservative.

You put the emphasis on the “Christian” part? You have a problem with that?

Evangelical Christians don’t poll well here in NH. Catholics are the majority Christian sect. A lot of people around here hate being “ministered to” . Huck has never polled well here in the Party and definitely wouldn’t win the state in the general election. That would hurt the NH GOP in down ballot races and that would mean for us that taxes will be going up following Democrat Victories.

that just happens to like guns. He hates tobacco, gambling, salt, and hamburgers to list a few. He will gladly use the government force to do away with the things he does not like. I would say liberty is not real high on his list.

Huckabee as front runner would be a boon to Ron Paul, as the electorate would be forced to choose between two evils.

since he gave someone a drubbing for it pretty recently. Suffice it to say, on net his tax increases more than made up for the loopholes perversely called “tax cuts” which make up most of the 90 things that he claims as “tax cuts”.

As for homeschooling, read this post by a homeschooler on Huck’s record. Huck is no friend to homeschoolers, given his 1999 education bill which made it *harder* to homeschool and to attend private school, and which handed out cash to public schools.

As for increases in spending, heh. Considering that the state of AR is becoming younger, *not* older, and that this low growth rate was a function of this demographic change rather than Huck’s intention, he gets no credit. (Especially when we have at least two Govs in the race with lower spending/year even with populations that were getting older and thus more costly to the state.)

“He helped grow the economy of his state by 4.4%, even beating the strong national average of 4.2%.” As we all know, that .2% had nothing to do with AR’s free market and businessmen, or with national trends, but rather with Huckabee’s divine leadership! Or not.

Also, why does every Huck article have to compare him to Romney?

So did Tim Pawlenty and HE reduced overall state spending.

I haven’t seen anything here disliking the Tea Party movement. Some of the individual groups associated with it? Yes. Leery suspicion of any candidate claiming backing by it? Totally. But the movement at large? It is generally liked and lauded.

deal about all the weight he lost last time around, so therefore he is wide open for ridicule. Watching his stupid show reminds me of watching Oprah

I don’t have access to cable at the moment.

Thanks, TN Jim!

Where do his supporters go? See my diary from this morning:
http://www.redstate.com/tooncesthecat/2011/05/14/huckabees-supporters/

prepared for a really crappy night.

I didn’t realize until today, how much having a republican betray conservative causes is more offensive to me than the outright socialists.

The nominee will be either:

Romney
Cain
Newt
Pawlenty

is a legend in his own mind.

as they try to out-promise the most give-aways.

outside the political realm. Where it can quickly change to probably should Obama’s political landscape become decidedly more hostile.

Arkansas ranked 30th in the nation as the state with the highest state and local tax burden. When he left by the end of 2007, it had risen to 14th. Above average? Maybe in 1845, just after Florida joined the union as the 27th state.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/442.html

I’ll never forget when Huckabee was asked about a special tax he created on nursing home beds and he said it was a “quality assurance fee” not a tax – this is Huckabee in a nutshell.

Somehow, that kind of doublespeak was good enough to convince some folks. The fact of the matter though is that Huckabee is basically a pro-life Obama who in a recent speech claimed that the role of the government is “to change the culture and behaviour” and that wants to use the tax code to “punish behaviour” he deems inappropriate. A post-modern Jimmy Carter.

Gee, I bet some Texans could refute that statement. Fortunately, it no longer matters.

with that speech justifying Romneycare. Anyone who favors an individual mandate can’t get the nomination. He’s the only Republican who still thinks it was the right solution for Massachusetts–unless you want to bankrupt the state.

the opposition (Pawlenty at least, likely also Daniels) just have to run clips of Romney’s speech… they’re gonna beat him like a baby seal.

Romney also never had a chance in Iowa… that’s going to be a SoCon shootout. My guess is Cain is the big winner of Huck’s withdrawl, but only if he can get some name recognition….

Mew

Romney doesn’t have any hope of picking up a sizable number of Huck supporters. They should support Romney because
Huckabee apologized and Mitt immediately accepted;
they were governors at the same time;
Romney will agree to change any of his positions to sound like Huckabee.
I don’t think so. Huck’s supporters divide between Cain, Bachmann, and Gingrich–yeah Gingrich, the last Southerner standing.

and I do not get what Erick is seeing that I’m missing.

Mew

“resonating with the voters.” Cain does have that ability. That’s my take on it anyway.

to interesting discussions.

comparing Huckabee to T.V. ministers who are truly loathsome. Jim Bakker, for example.

For all his warts, Falwell has my respect. He put his reputation on the line more than once, and was willing to debate Larry Flynt. Repeatedly. Publically. The two formed something of a friendship.

I disagree quite a bit with Falwell’s policies and political leanings, but he didn’t come across as phony the way Jim and Tammy did… or the way Huckabee still does.

Mew

I totally agree with you, but I will go even farther. When I attended an evangelical church in the 1980′s we were very political. We all supported Pat Robertson for president. Of course we were for all the so called social issues 100%.

Then I began to read and study and learn and I learned that some of the things we were emotionally attached to were simply wrong.

Trying to use government to force people into acting a certain way is always bound to be counter-productive. I am not talking about criminal activity like theft and murder, nor am I talking about abortion.

But things like smoking pot, or drinking, or watching a porn movie or heck even dancing! Trying to control the actions of others, especially for their own good is the quickest way to turn them against you. And against all of your ideas and all of the things you support, thus causing more harm than good.

Also, supporting a candidate just because he might share your same religious views is pretty stupid. We cannot know the heart of any person. Also, history is full of well meaning leaders who were totally incompetent.

I agree with your comments. I for one have been a Cain fan since he first started to appear on the scene. Kinda like peanuts in a Coke. My two cents worth: Herman has a good chance to avoid some of the media attacks anyone else we promote would draw; He has a wealth of experience that crosses many social and economic classes; He has the education, poise, and wit to deal with the liberal left. It might even be beneficial for him to announce his VP pick early to bring over some doubters. My wish would be that we gather the wagons and support him with all we have. I will.
If we go all in for Romney then we have a higher chance of losing even if he wins with the remaining squishes in DC. I think the outcome will be better if we support Cain and he wins.

but Huck will be no king maker. He has a loyal core, but I fully believe one of the reasons he chose not to run was that he found out he had no where near the support now that he had in 2008 and what he had was no where near enough to win back then. He is more of a pundit now than any kind of king maker.

most conservative who are not brain dead morons would rather surround themselves with a stadium full of Newts and Hucks then be in the same area code as Ron Paul. He is nothing more than the cancer we can not seem to rid ourselves of. The day Ron Paul retires will be the day you see the biggest celebration amongst the conservative ranks.

but that’s either quite the hyperbole or quite ignorant.

You keep knocking on this issue, yet you still are unable to comprehend Erick’s words. In your above post, you claim he likes Huck and can not fathom why he would knock Huntsman, yet you were way off on that comment. Now you come back to the issue just to try to throw another bomb at the post.

Let me try to explain this to you so that you can move on to another subject for the sake of us all.

Erick is not stating he supports Huck, likes Huck, looks up to Huck, agrees mostly with Huck. He has simply stated that had Huck got in the race, it would have forced the other to pay attention, or as he put it, bring their “A” game. He is right whether you are able to understand that or not. Huck is leading in almost every poll at this point, and while the polls are useless, the perceived notion by the other candidates that they are behind would drive them to get a louder better message out. It would light the fire under their fannies so to speak. Then you have the fact that the first primaries are mostly in evangelical land which would give Huck a head start. Considering SC has chosen the eventual winner for the last 30 years and tends to be quite religious, Huck would start with the advantage forcing all of them to work hard to overcome that advantage. It would force contenders like TPaw, Santorum, Cain, and so on to focus in on balancing social issues with financial issues. It would be a win win for both the candidates and the voter.

You keep making a mountain out of a molehill and are really starting to look foolish. Taking a step back and taking the time to understand the meaning of the words written would be a very good thing for you to do. I doubt Erick or many on here cared on iota that Huck ended up doing the only decent thing he has done in many years by not running, all he was saying was that had he gotten in, it would have benefited us by forcing the other candidates to take notice and get real serious.

There is no way he’d stand for a fundamentally dishonest progressive like Huckabee. Take down your shrine. Huckabee has finally admitted that he was in it for the money all along. And I find nothing wrong with that, I’m just glad he’s decided to be an entertainer instead of a dishonest politician.

and without rehashing your feelings and ours on Huck, this race is going to boil down to a few things.

Who wins SC. For the last 30 years, SC has chosen the eventual republican winner. There is nothing pointing to it being any different now. It has also been the person who the gov of the state endorses that goes on to win. Right now TPaw is the lead horse for that endorsement.

Whoever ends up winning, they will make a VP decision that brings in the person who can shore up moderate areas. Obama is beatable, but we will have to be on our game. Lose too many moderate states and leaning states and it is game over. This will mean that you will see a mixed bag of contenders. Assuming nothing crazy happens between now and then, assuming we are looking at the candidates we will chose between ( not many possibles left, Palin is not going to run, Bachmann may but she better get in soon, Daniels may as well but better get in soon too or it will be too late, and then there is the joker Trump who may get in but will be beat before he even starts) and assuming TPaw gets the expected Haley endorsement and SC win, you will see him team up with a Daniels/Cain type of person, not another “socon religious” person. These candidates know that their ultimate goal is to beat Obama and they must garner a majority of independent votes along with our own moderate leaning to liberal republicans.

Huck is done this time, he will not see VP from anyone. Should Haley surprise everyone in this state and goes with a Daniels/Cain endorsement, you will see either one of those men grab up a TPaw/Bachmann VP and Bachmann only stands a chance at getting picked by one of those guys if she gets in soon and makes up some serious ground. I would even go as far as saying Hucks position of what “God” told him to do as far as this election and his self pandering ” I am not running speech” may have burnt any cabinet positions as well.

TPaw has the game in hand and it is his game to lose should he get the expected endorsement from Haley and the follow up SC win. I would expect him to pull a VP from either Cain or Daniels. And the same would be true for Daniels or Cain should Haley surprise everyone and endorse one of them. If that happens, either one will shore up their support by pulling TPaw into the ticket to make sure Socons and religious folks remain interested in the election. I see no scenario where we see another surprise Palin like announcement like we did in 2008.

slurp slurp

and showing why the combined IQ over at that site is well below 100.

I have read your moronic crap over there, your racist nonsense, and expect you to be banned here soon so you can not shovel your sh*t here.

Oh well. No one’s perfect.

And you’re gone. Buh bye.