I hate to break the news to you, but until Jesus Christ himself returns there will be no peace in the Middle East.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
American foreign policy should be premised on strongly defending Israel and dealing with as friends those states who remain at peace with Israel.
I realize the American media does a very poor job of it, but as Jeff Emanuel noted yesterday, even today there are near daily rocket attacks on Israeli civilians from Gaza. While Palestinian spokesmen go on English language television and proclaim their undying devotion to the peace process, the very same people go on Arab television and proclaim death to Israel, death to the Jew, and pledge to push the Jewish state into the sea.
The American media rarely focuses on that because they are too busy focusing on the Israeli response to terror as some sort of provocation.
Keep in mind that Hamas is still holding a kidnapped Israeli soldier hostage as collateral for negotiation. He’s been in captivity for several years.
You cannot have peace with those who would kill you and have radicalized their people against you as a way to distract those same people from the cruelty inflicted on them by their own leaders.
Golda Meir once said that “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.” As long as Palestinians are strapping bombs to their children and teaching them to hate Jews, that will never happen.
Obama would be better off focusing on jobs, or at least learning how not to kill off any more in the private sector.
Jeff Emanuel
Neil Stevens
Ditto EE - The Palestinian PEOPLE, not just their leaders, are essentially a death cult
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 10:49AM EDT (link)Peace follows victory, e.g. Battle of the Bulge/Dresden, Hiroshima, Appomatox…the enemies of Israel need a huge ass-whooping to concentrate the mind.
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I would caution you just slightly...
bcochran1981 Friday, May 20th at 11:00AM EDT (link)I’m friends with a family of Palestinians who have been here in the States for quite some time. They left “Palestine” because they were in fear for their lives. I never knew this, but there is a small segment of the population who is Christian. Usually Greek Orthodox.
The father has told me how scared they were. The Jews hate them because they’re Palestinian, the Palestinians hate them because they are Christian.
Generally, I would agree with you, the “Palestinian people” do not want peace with Israel. But not all the Pali’s are a death cult. Some are just like the rest of us, they want to live their lives and raise their kids without fear.
You can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all the time and liberal voters every time.
You are correct
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 11:12AM EDT (link)in as much as there as a few bright rays of light in that area. It is a given that not everyone in that area supports what the terrorist are doing, but they are few and far between. Even most who do not “actively” support the terrorist or get involved in the attacks, they still are the ones chanting the slogans, throwing the rocks, sheltering the missile launching folks, teach their kids how “evil” the Jews are, send their money to the groups, give aid and shelter to the terrorists, etc. Overall the premise of Gamecocks post stands.
And quite frankly, even the ones who “do not want” the war, do not support the terrorist, etc are just as guilty unless they have done all they can do to deter the activities of their fellow citizens, fed vital info to the Jews as to where the scum and missiles are, protested the evils that their fellow Palestinians are committing, etc. Until they get active in changing their culture, they are as guilty as the ones who actually commit the attacks.
Would you be willing to live this...
bcochran1981 Friday, May 20th at 11:31AM EDT (link)“are just as guilty unless they have done all they can do to deter the activities of their fellow citizens, fed vital info to the Jews as to where the scum and missiles are, protested the evils that their fellow Palestinians are committing, etc…” if the lives of your children were at stake?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m no Pali apologist, I think you’re right in that the genpop at large needs to prove that they actually want peace. But I think the reality of the situation on the ground severely depresses the desire, and actions, of the few for actual peace.
You can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all the time and liberal voters every time.
Gpclaw said it better than I could
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 2:11PM EDT (link)but I will try anyways. I understand that the life of your kids is important, but lets set that record straight. When the radicals bust through their door to eradicate the apostates, the age of the inhabitants will matter little to them. When the terrorist slam through their door and demand to use their windows as launching pads, the retaliatory strike will not discern between the old and the young. I could go on……..
When a group of people live amongst evil people and do nothing, no matter how they excuse their non action, they are as guilty as the ones who were doing the evil. Doing nothing to save your kids and or family is still doing nothing. And when you do nothing and the world only sees an entire set of people rallying behind the evil doers, how can they or anyone complain that no one sees any innocent people.
I am telling you now, that if my state was to again own slaves and were willing to own those slaves through force, I would stand against it no matter the cost. Why? Because I live here, I do not believe in it, it is evil, and I could not look in the face of my family if I acted cowardly and did nothing to help out a fellow human. I have no sympathy for those who do nothing in the face of evil, none. May seem harsh, but I would rather celebrate the life of a man, better yet a hero, and his family who died doing the right thing that to make excuses for a coward who stood for nothing.
I have to agree with bochran
aesthete (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 2:33PM EDT (link)There’s nothing wrong with making sure that your kith and kin are protected, and if making sure that your wife doesn’t get raped or your children don’t get hurt entails keeping a low profile, then that’s what you’ve got to do. I consider those people who stand up to terrorism heroes: they are doing it at great personal cost to themselves and others. I don’t consider the guy keeping his head down and his family protected “as guilty as the ones who actually commit the attacks”: far from it.
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Yep that is how so many great things
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 5:12PM EDT (link)have been done throughout history, keeping your head down and making sure the other families pay all the cost while you keep yours intact.
You are usually right, on this you are wrong. When someone does nothing to stop the evil around them, no matter the excuse, they are as guilty as those doing the evil. Cowardice disguised as “I just did not want my family hurt” is still cowardice.
I've given it a lot of thought in the past
aesthete (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 8:45PM EDT (link)and ultimately, while I wouldn’t be among those getting the medals, I would keep my head down, etc if it was the difference between my family surviving and my family getting slaughtered. If I could get my family out, or if the damage to my family were minimal and survivable, I would fight the good fight, no questions asked. Heck, even if I couldn’t I would try to quietly resist in the ways possible. Otherwise, my family is my #1 priority and I don’t care how good the cause is, I’m not letting my family get hurt. I have 110% respect for those people who can do that in tough conditions. I’m not one of them, to be brutally honest.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
You have to do what you feel best
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Saturday, May 21st at 12:16AM EDT (link)but that still does not make your actions right. I mean no disrespect here as I have stated above, usually you are right and I agree with most of what you say, legal dope argument excluded, but on this I have to take a different stance.
There are infinite amount of scenarios, so I can only try to make this one realistic, so here goes.
Lets use the Palestinian conflict as our background since the whole discussion has filtered off the original story by the above poster.
I can say pretty safely that there are people in that area that do not in any way support what the Hamas, PLO, and others are doing. I would even go as far as saying there is a large amount of people who do not like what their own people are doing. They may not love Israel or the Jews, but they despise what is going on with their side.
Father decided against standing up against all those who are launching missiles, strapping bombs on their women and children, etc because he is afraid for his own life but more so for the lives of his children and wife or wives. So instead of doing the right thing, he stays silent and may even act as if he supports what is going on. His kids stay alive for now. Now lets look at the repercussions of his actions.
Abject poverty
Constant violence
Constant retaliations
Freedoms stripped
Gun checkpoints
Shortage of food
Israeli bombings
Disease
And so on.
All of these directly affect him and his family and very well may cost him and his family their lives. Since few if any of the Palestinian people ever speak up, liberal news states they are all in accordance with the “rebellion” effort which emboldens the terrorist causing even more problems and causes the current problems to escalate. So instead of standing up no matter the cost and maybe making a change, he ends up in a much worst situation that still may cost him his life and the lives of his family.
Or they can run away from the area leaving behind their homes, family, and friends, come over here, pull an ostrich move, and try to forget all those who were left behind in hell.
Either way, it is the cowards approach to let others make the stand while hoping and excusing their cowardice with “I just want my family to live.” Problem with that is without people taking a stand, it always gets worse, you may end up losing what you were trying to protect in the first place (or even worse, see them become what you did not like because they saw nothing in their father that showed he was against it), and you still have to live with yourself and your refusal to do what is right.
It's very easy
bcochran1981 Friday, May 20th at 9:34PM EDT (link)to say so when we’re sitting here safe and secure. But when you’re choice is fight against evil and have your daughter gang raped or stay quiet and be left alone…well. Not saying this is fact, just providing an example. You can fight and have your family brutally murdered or you can stay quiet.
I’m not saying what I would personally do. Honestly, I don’t know what I’d do. I’d hope that I could make the decision to fight, to live for freedom. But I look at my wife, my two little girls, and I think to myself that I would do whatever it took, even if that meant nothing, to keep them even a little bit safer.
You can call me a coward if you like, look down on those that don’t make the decision that you think they should, but I can’t look down on them. I understand the need to try and keep your family safe. If there are men and women who make that decision to fight, in the face of threatened violence against those they love, well, they’re the highest of heroes and I stand in awe of them.
You can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all the time and liberal voters every time.
They're enablers
gpclaw Friday, May 20th at 11:42AM EDT (link)As long as acts of terror are being carried out in Israel, their will never be peace.
If the Palestinians really want peace, then they should prove it by holding mass protests in opposition to the use of violence against Israel, and work with the Israeli’s to drive out the members of their community, who are intent on keeping the conflict alive.
Is it Fair to Say
edintexas Friday, May 20th at 12:39PM EDT (link)Is it fair to say that your friends did not leave their home because they feared for their lives because they believed the Israelis would kill them (and not due to possible “collateral damage” as a result of Israeli response to attacks)?
They left
bcochran1981 Friday, May 20th at 12:51PM EDT (link)shortly after the 6 Day War in ’67. I know their lives were specifically threatened by Muslim neighbors at the start of the war. I “think” that the major concern was Israeli collateral damage. They were concerned about the Israeli response in their area.
I love talking to the father. He can give a realistic look at what happened and he’ll give it to you pretty straight. He has no problem placing blame on the Palestinians. “Those f*@#ers are nuts! Gonna strap dynamite to yourself and blow up a bus. What the hell’s the matter with you???”
You can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all the time and liberal voters every time.
I wonder
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 2:11PM EDT (link)did he vote for Obama? Always seems to work out that way.
There are no civilians in the West Bank or Gaza.
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 10:52AM EDT (link)Israel should pave them both.
5555555555 - nt
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Or we could
sandbun (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 10:52AM EDT (link)Take Washington’s and Jefferson’s advice and avoid “entangling alliances” and let Israel take care of itself – which it is well capable of doing. As you say, there’s not going to be peace there anytime soon, I fail to see how us getting in the middle of it helps anyone, especially ourselves.
The Jefferson that could have left the Barbary pirates alone, but didn't? Would we have been better off
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 11:00AM EDT (link)allowing the Kaiser, Nazis or the USSR have all of the Earth save the Lower 48 lest we dare have an “entangling” alliance? I don’t think so.
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Those weren't entangling alliances
sandbun (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 11:07AM EDT (link)We had common interests that led to us working with other countries. It wasn’t us telling those countries that we allied with how to run their internal politics. I fail to see how what the borders for Israel is an American interest. If Israel wants to keep their current borders, what is that to us? If they think they can trade land for peace (doubtful), then they are welcome to try to do so. We shouldn’t be telling them how to handle their negotiations with the Palestinians.
It would be one thing if they were close and an outside voice could end the fighting, that might lead to more overall peace in the region that will be beneficial to us. But they’re not, and we can’t, so adding our voice doesn’t help any American interests, so I don’t see why we should do it.
I think there's a bit of a miscommunication here, Sandbun.
juumanistra (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 11:29AM EDT (link)And it hinges on what you mean by “let Israel take care of itself”. Do you mean that the U.S. should adopt a position that how Israel deals with the Palestinians is entirely within the latter’s discretion, as it is a sovereign and civilized nation-state with all of the powers and responsibilities thereof? I should hope that we could all agree that that particular position would, at the very least, not make a bad American policy re: the Palestinian question.
Or do you mean what the Left and neo-isolationist Right tend to when the phrase “let Israel take care itself” crops up? This tends to refer to a fundamental altering of the strategic relationship between the U.S. and Israel, with the latter’s standing being severely downgraded in its importance to American interests. (More coldly, this usually amounts to giving Israel the same treatment which was afforded South Vietnam.)
Given the rather wide chasm between the two, it’s not surprising there might be a wee-bit of confusion, especially when you seem to at various points argue for both.
I guess I'm not seeing the difference
sandbun (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 11:38AM EDT (link)Perhaps you could be more clear. To me letting Israel handle the Palestinians with their own discretion as is their right as a sovereign nation would be a fundamental altering of the strategic relationship between the U.S. and Israel. In our role as mediators we push them to accept things that aren’t in their own self-interest as we push for a peace that, as Erick just said, isn’t coming.
"Fundamentally altering the strategic relationship" is a roundabout way of saying "cut the aid".
juumanistra (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 11:51AM EDT (link)Fundamentally altering the American-Israeli relationship would consist of severely curtailing or abolishing the myriad forms of direct and indirect aid which the U.S. provides to Israel in the form of grants, loans, and military hardware. As well as, presumably, publicly disclaiming usage of America’s UNSC veto to keep the body of the UN that actually has some semblance of binding authority from mucking about. Or stopping cooperation with Israel on missile defense. Or removing its implicit protection under the American nuclear umbrella. Or any of a dozen other little downgrades in its strategic significance.
As said above, essentially giving it the South Vietnam treatment: Cutting our fiscal ties to the nation and leaving it to its fate, come hell or high water. In light of the South Vietnamese example and Israel’s geopolitical situation, such seems like an indefensible travesty. But it seems a moot point, as that does not seem to be what you are advocating in the slightest.
No, that's not what I'm talking for.
sandbun (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 12:53PM EDT (link)Since some don’t seem to understand what I’m calling for and some are allowing their RP Derangement Syndrome take over the conversation, I’ll try to be more clear.
No to the full blown South Vietnam treatment. Less foreign aid perhaps and maybe less generous grants, I don’t believe that gets us as much as some seem to. Foreign aid can be an effective diplomatic tool, but I’ve lost confidence that we’re using it as such. But certainly I still sell them weapons etc. Absolutely not removing the protection under the American nuclear umbrella. If nothing else we don’t want Israel’s nuclear arsenal falling into the wrong hands, and countries that would pose a real threat would eventually come after us no matter what we did. As far as the UN, I’d never disclaim our veto power, I don’t know that I would use it as much, but that’s at least partly because I don’t think it matters. International law is still largely He who has the might has the right.
But I’d disentangle us from any interest in the Palestinian conflict, at least until it might produce a worthwhile outcome. They’re not a real threat to Israel’s existence, and as such I don’t see an American interest in worrying about them. Think about it this way. Let’s say Mexico was attacking us in much the same way that Israel is being attacked. Yes we’d want Israel to let Latin American countries (who are the Arab nations in this scenario) know that if they overtly help Mexico they will face repercussions. But do we want them interfering with our handling of Mexico? No, because Mexico doesn’t have the ability to really hurt us. Any help they give will likely hurt their relationship with the other countries, who they want to have ties with, so to balance that they’ll probably try to help Mexico gain some things (part of Texas) they wouldn’t otherwise gained, even if Israel’s overall strategy is pro-America. Who has been helped in this scenario by Israel’s involvement? Those other countries still aren’t pleased with Israel even if they’re not full-blown war upset, and we have interference in an issue we can handle ourselves.
I would also add that giving aid to any country can become a crutch, and as the South Vietnamese can attest, that’s not good for anyone.
Better Check Your History
edintexas Friday, May 20th at 12:44PM EDT (link)The Kaiser had no designs on “all of the Earth”. The “entangling alliances” of Europe in 1914 resulted in WW I.
To me, at least,
bcochran1981 Friday, May 20th at 11:03AM EDT (link)the “entangling alliances” advice was a caution to be careful who/what we became involved in (Egypt anyone?), not so much a call to isolationism.
You can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all the time and liberal voters every time.
Foreign policy approaches as defined by Meade...
acat (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 11:12AM EDT (link)(summary here: http://www.lts.com/~cprael/Meade_FAQ.htm)
Jefferson was more about choice of allies, Jackson was the “non-interventionist”… Somehow the Dems always seem to be Hamiltonian/Wilsonian…
The ME is more complex than most Americans know, thanks to the failure of our public schools to teach proper history, and the failure of our news media to report proper facts…. but that said, Erick has this exactly right.
There are, effectively, two sides – those who support Israel, and those who do not…. and I know I’m on the right one. (even though I tend to be Jacksonian)
Mew
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None of Founders were "non-interventionist"
kinghenry (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 12:06PM EDT (link)except for the quakers, no founding father presidential adminstration EVER ran a ‘non-interventionist’ foreign policy. In fact much of what they did would make many hawks blush.
We didn’t become 50 states being Paulnut purple unicorn seeing loons.
5 (nt)
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Washington and Jefferson and the US have always been entangled and allied with our values which prohibit abandoning Israel - nt
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btw, Mead's "Special Providence"
kinghenry (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 12:09PM EDT (link)is an EXCELLENT book on US Foreign Policy. Which is the book where he identifies these 4 schools of FP thought. Mead considers Obama, though recent events may have changed this, as being in the “Jeffersonian” camp. He’s wrote about it on his blog.
There is a whole chapter exposing the Lie that Ron Paul puts forth about America being “non-interventionist”(read Isolationist) during the Founders era.
A dangerous myth created post WW1 and shattered by Pearl harbor.
Mead: Sarah Palin Foreign Policy Messiah?
kinghenry (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 12:25PM EDT (link)recent blog posting by Mead:
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/02/21/the-tea-party-and-u-s-foreign-policy/
“The first is that the contest in the Tea Party between what might be called its Palinite and its Paulite wings will likely end in a victory for the Palinites. The Palinite wing of the Tea Party (after Sarah Palin) wants a vigorous, proactive approach to the problem of terrorism in the Middle East, one that rests on a close alliance between the United States and Israel. The Paulite wing (Rand Paul) would rather distance the United States from Israel as part of a general reduction of the United States’ profile in a part of the world from which little good can be expected.
The Paulites are likely to lose this contest because the commonsense reasoning of the American people now generally takes as axiomatic that security at home cannot be protected without substantial engagement overseas.”
Jeffersonian? I don't think so
aesthete (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 2:44PM EDT (link)Obama would be more Wilsonian in his foreign policy, I would think: he believes in the power of international frameworks and working through them to achieve goals, clearly seems to favor the idea of a democratic state for an ethnic group, and seems to favor using military force for altruistic ends.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
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Incompetent-Wilsonian I could believe..
acat (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 2:58PM EDT (link)Watching Obama try to handle foreign policy is like watching a singer who knows the lyrics but can’t carry a tune…. he’s only half right at best, and then it’s more by chance.
Mew
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"Incompetent Wilsonian"
aesthete (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 3:02PM EDT (link)Aren’t they all?
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Difficult to believe so many could be so wrong...
acat (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 3:11PM EDT (link)but … flat earth and global warming …
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Typical Ron Paul backer
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 11:25AM EDT (link)Blame America and the Jews
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What are you talking about?
sandbun (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 11:35AM EDT (link)Your comment makes absolutely no sense. I don’t even know what I supposedly blamed on America and the Jews. I didn’t say anything that could be blamed on someone. All I said was we shouldn’t get in the middle of their negotiations, at least until there’s some possibility that doing so would be helpful to our own interests. How is that blaming someone?
So will you denounce Ron Paul and his anti-American blowback theory? (nt)
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I see you can't answer my question
sandbun (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 12:26PM EDT (link)so you’ll try to switch topics to avoid it. Where did I blame America or Jews for something?
I could answer your question, but I suspect doing so will merely result in you changing the conversation again.
Funny, sandbun
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 12:39PM EDT (link)Right there, you could have proven me wrong. You didn’t.
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You made the Allegation
edintexas Friday, May 20th at 12:53PM EDT (link)He denied your allegation and asked you to provide any proof you might have to back up your allegation. It isn’t his responsibility. beyond his denial, to disprove unsupported allegations. When he asks you for proof of what you say about him, it IS your responsibility to provide any proof you have.
I'm glad you replied
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 1:01PM EDT (link)If we ever need to make a list of you guys, it’ll be easier this way.
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I love this.
edintexas Friday, May 20th at 5:10PM EDT (link)You post a link to the “Posting Rules”. Unfortunately, you violate those rules almost every week (and sometimes multiple times within a week). You attack people on a personal level. You threaten people with banning (as if you were the only moderator – if you are even a moderator). Making lists? Let’s see – what type of people were (and are) involved in making lists of people with whom they disagree politically? Everyone knows the answer to that one, well – maybe excluding you. Most bullies don’t recognize their own activity as such.
Hey, Neil – ban me. Go right ahead – if you can. Personally, I sort of doubt it. And if I can be banned for calling a spade a spade, then my opinion of Red State is grossly mistaken.
Makin' a list
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 6:31PM EDT (link)Checkin’ it twice
Gonna find out who’s naughty or nice
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And he replies
edintexas Friday, May 20th at 6:54PM EDT (link)And still no reply to sandbun’s question. I made my point, but I doubt sandbun will ever receive an answer.
Santa Claus is coming to town. (nt)
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But Neil... Israel! Wouldn't this be more appropriate?
acat (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 10:22PM EDT (link)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zigPOkCytoU
Just sayin’
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Aww
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 11:28PM EDT (link)I was hoping that link was to Hanukkah Harry.
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Still avoiding the question I see. (nt)
sandbun (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 12:54PM EDT (link)Is it me, or are they starting earlier this year?
randy streu (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 2:04PM EDT (link)I swear, I’m gonna snap on the first person who types “Dr. Paul” within these pages…
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Typical Ron Paul opposition
ayrnieu Friday, May 20th at 12:05PM EDT (link)Don’t even blink when someone delivers a statement of American foreign policy that does not have the word ‘American’ in it.
Adjust the tin foil
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Hamilton wrote the "Entangling Alliances"
kinghenry (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 12:18PM EDT (link)line in Washington’s farewell address.
It was a political attack by the Hamilton clique against the Jefferson clique. Why? Because Jefferson was talking up how great France was, the French Revolution France, and wanted to Ally with them over Britain.
It goes to the Jay Treaty, which was very very very unpopular at the time the Washington adminstration wisely signed by the public, for obvious reasons not being long removed from war with Britain.
Yup
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 12:20PM EDT (link)It wasn’t a blanket admonition against all alliances. Just a warning to stay out of European power politics.
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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
nope
streiff (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 12:57PM EDT (link)Washington didn’t use this phrase
It is more like
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
just a point of order
streiff (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 12:52PM EDT (link)Washington did not warn about “entangling alliances.”
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
EE..Obama has actually INCREASED the likelihood of another war..
gawken (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 11:14AM EDT (link)Obama has aquiesced in the PLA/Hamas’ dream of pre-67 borders. Here’s a plausible scenario. As his popularity falls, amd it looks more likely that he will lose in 2012, they may well decide that it’s best to attack Israel now, as Obama probably come to Israel’s aid…their last best chance so to speak..and as Iran moves to a more agressive posture, Israel will feel the need for a pre-emptive strike.
If the likelihood of another war was 50:50 before the speech, it’s now 60:40 in favor, at least
Peace in the New World? Between the Jamestown colonists and Opechancanough? Not. Gonna. Happen.
ayrnieu Friday, May 20th at 12:26PM EDT (link)Oh. Unless one side _wins_. I guess, if that could ever happen, the result could be a nation against which the only remotely plausible invasion force is one that consists of flying saucers.
By the way, if you want to be fairly sick to your stomach, follow this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_massacre_of_1622
It is… actually kind of amazing, how deeply twisted that account is. It is one thing to be sympathetic to the ultimate losers of a conflict. Had you merely some sick sympathy for the Indians, you could write “They tried to kill every man, woman, and child among the colonists, and succeeded only in 1/4th of this objective. Too bad.”
Between the Tea Party and Hopenchangenough?
blooch Friday, May 20th at 12:50PM EDT (link)Also not gonna happen.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Ron Paul: Jews distort religion to "STEAL" Arab land
kinghenry (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 12:34PM EDT (link)The Idiot, and Code Pink endorsed, Ron Paul talks about Israel and the Jews in his latest book. One excerpt:
“All jews do not endorse the violence used to displace the Arabs and Muslims and STEAL their land in the Middle East.” – Ron Paul, Liberty Defined
just a yr ago he condemed Israel in Flotilla incident, demonstrating that he is not at all “Nuetral” and has a very far-left take on the situation.
Keep this in mind as he will claim he’s “Non-Interventionist” in regards to Israel….he is to the point that he wants to empower the Jihadist over them.
Where in the President's speech did he call for an end to Nakba Day?
ashland_avenue (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 12:46PM EDT (link)nt
Rush said today, 'You don't negotiate peace; you negotiate the terms of surrender.'
ashland_avenue (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 12:47PM EDT (link)n/t
Aptly delivered, the Netanyahu speech to Congress has the chance of being one of greatest pieces of oratory ever spoken there.
ashland_avenue (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 12:49PM EDT (link)For starters, he can remind Members of Congress of all the religious shrines they will never be able to visit if control of East Jerusalem passes to Muslim authorities.
Let's not look at this as Christians or Jews or Muslims
ashland_avenue (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 1:17PM EDT (link)I, for example, am a Jew.
You, E squared, are a Christian.
The President, whose middle name is Hussein, who was described by the New York Times March 3, 2007 as follows
Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”
and says that he is a Christian, and it is appropriate to accept that he is a Christian of the Reverend Wright variety.
What is most important to us all, however, is what is best for the nation.
Mr. Obama is President during a period of time in which it appears that all but Muslims are being squeezed from the Middle East. Coptic churches are torched, Lebanese Christians are fleeing for their lives, and Iraqui Christians have fewer rights than their Muslim countrymen.
In Europe, Islamic leaders press forward with demands for themselves, and the countries, to be judged by Sharia (or Islamic) law, not those of the host countries.
In America, too, Muslims and Muslim leaders press for supremacy of Sharia law.
On taking office as leader of our nation, Barack H. Obama swore to the following:
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
That we are facing a force which seeks the supremacy of Sharia law over the American Constitution seems more and more the case.
To the extent that anyone fosters the growth of this force to include all of the Levant, and much of Europe, it is fair to question whether that person is doing his or her best job to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
That is why Israel, an outpost of Western democracy, is so important to this debate. Not because of access or non access to religious shrines. Not because of Red State or Blue State politics.
But because to weaken a Western oriented democracy in favor of an Islamist thugocracy is to weaken the United States and its core values.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38633
...and before you question my description of 'thugocracy'
ashland_avenue (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 1:31PM EDT (link)pls review Jeff’s piece here yesterday including the following
This, ladies and gentlemen, is the organization with which the Palestinian Authority is re-uniting after the bloody 2007 battle that left Fatah in charge of the West Bank, Hamas in charge of the Gaza Strip, and the latter’s political opponents flattened after being tossed off the rooftops of high rises.
"American foreign policy should be premised on strongly defending Israel"
aesthete (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 3:01PM EDT (link)Not to be pedantic, but the only premises that American foreign policy should be based on are the protection of its citizens, its commerce, and its shipping lanes/trade. Insofar as an alliance with Israel furthers those interests more than it hurts them (it does), it is a good thing. We have undertaken many actions that have gone counter to Israeli interests: they have taken several which have gone counter to ours (esp during the Cold War). There’s nothing wrong with that: Israel’s duty is to its citizens, not ours, and vice versa.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Agree
YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 4:21PM EDT (link)Our policy should always be based upon American interests – which does not imply isolationism. And usually involves defending our allies, if only for the image this gives them of our trustworthiness, which encourages allies to stay allies (and hopefully encourages adversaries to re-think about becoming allies).
Israel policy is a perfect example of this – we each often disagree and squabble with each other, but end up banding together because we want to continue each others’ support for mutual interests and in maintaining friendship for future work together.
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
Agree
YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 4:21PM EDT (link)Our policy should always be based upon American interests – which does not imply isolationism. And usually involves defending our allies, if only for the image this gives them of our trustworthiness, which encourages allies to stay allies (and hopefully encourages adversaries to re-think about becoming allies).
Israel policy is a perfect example of this – we each often disagree and squabble with each other, but end up banding together because we want to continue each others’ support for mutual interests and in maintaining friendship for future work together.
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
That about sums it up. nt
aesthete (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 4:35PM EDT (link)“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Careful with this talk
sandbun (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 4:48PM EDT (link)If Neil sees it he might all but call you anti-Semite and when you ask why he’ll ignore the question and instead talk about putting you on a list for possible banishment.
I hope that was meant in jest
YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 4:52PM EDT (link)YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
I hope that was meant in jest
YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 4:52PM EDT (link)YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
You're just not bright enough to understand that
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 4:54PM EDT (link)there is a huge gap between what aesthete said and what RonPaul and the acolytes are trying to pass off as foreign policy. He (they) are in fact anti-Semitic on the order of neo-Nazis.
Indeed
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, May 20th at 7:09PM EDT (link)Ben Bernanke is watching, and when he sends my orders to further the Zionist control of American foreign policy, you’d better believe I jump.
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