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This Week’s Horse Race

It’s been a few weeks since I’ve done one of these. A lot has happened since then.

Let’s get started and, again, we’ll go in alphabetical order.

Just note that I’m putting Sarah Palin and Rick Perry outside the list, since they are just speculation right now and I want to deal with them first, above the fold.

Sarah Palin

I still think Sarah Palin is not running. Given the leaks and buzz about Fox News pressuring Gingrich, Santorum, and Huckabee to make up their minds and that we are not hearing this about Sarah Palin suggests to me that they know she is not running. UPDATE at 4:27 p.m.: That might have just changed.

All that said, as this bus tour rolls along, I think she is seeing if she can affect an uptick in favorability ratings. If she can, I think she might change her mind. Should Palin get in, she will be a game changer. A Michele Bachmann candidacy loses its allure. Pawlenty has trouble continuing his stead build up. Cain disappears off the headlines. It’s all Palin all the time.

And I’d note that the issue with Bachmann is not because they are the two women. The issue is that they are the two fighters. If the men were fighting like the women, there wouldn’t be a sustained and steady call for Bachmann and Palin to get into the race. They say what must be said.

Rick Perry

I believe Rick Perry needs to get into the Presidential race. He needs to get in now. The clear economic difference between Texas and the rest of the nation presents a compelling picture for a Perry run.

Should Perry get in, expect two funny things to happen. (1) The Bushies will throw every bit of dirt they possibly have at Perry because the Bushies do not like Rick Perry. (2) The Democrats will tar and feather Rick Perry as the second coming of George W. Bush. The media will gravitate toward the second and largely feed off of the first.

That makes Perry’s hill much tougher to climb, but it is totally doable and a Perry candidacy, coupled with the message from his book Fed Up, is a winner within the primary during a year like 2012. His support would come from across the board, taking from almost any candidate in the race, including Romney. Likewise, his candidacy would undermine Newt Gingrich’s bid as Newt is running with Perry’s team. I can’t imagine them staying with Newt should Perry get in.

Rudy Giuliani

One more wild card to dispense with before we go below the fold. A CNN poll shows that were Giuliani to get in, he’d be in the lead. I think he’d hurt Romney and I think his campaign strategy would hurt Huntsman. But I don’t see how Giuliani would be able to solidify support among major donors after his disastrous run in 2008. Likewise, I fail to see the rational for a Giuliani candidacy this time around. When national security and leadership issues were the big issues in 2008, it made sense. But with the economy being the big issue now, Giuliani is too far removed from his successful career as mayor of New York to make a strong pitch on this front.

Michele Bachmann

Michele Bachmann’s campaign continues to build steam. Her Chief of Staff is leaving her congressional office to help with the campaign. If Palin gets in, I don’t see that Bachmann has staying power. Without Palin and with Bachmann’s zeal to fight the left, I think she makes it to Iowa. I just don’t see how Bachmann can capitalize on the first three states: Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. Iowa will come down to evangelicals and Bachmann is seen as more tea party than evangelical. New Hampshire will want someone perceived as more moderate. South Carolina is going to have a bias for a bigger name. It’s just the way it is. And without making significant traction in the first three, I don’t think she can survive primary season.

I’m going to be curious to see how Bachmann segments herself in the market. If she comes up with a compelling rationale, it could potentially keep out Palin and hurt Cain.

Herman Cain

Cain continues to surprise. He is fifth in the latest CNN poll, ahead of bigger names. He is 2nd in Iowa according to PPP. I maintain that Cain will be this year’s Mike Hucakbee, even though Rove and Krauthammer disagree. If he gets second in Iowa — and that is a big if given who else might get in and the time until Iowa — Cain will put himself into a secure position to be considered a VP. He’s going to have to hit everything right, though, to get the nomination.

Newt Gingrich

It was smart of Gingrich to go under the radar these last few weeks. The press attention and conservative activists have not been good for him. If Perry gets in, Gingrich’s campaign is going to see major shakeups. That might actually help him, but I get the sense that will ultimately be his undoing.

He continues to vie for the same crowd as Romney. If Giuliani gets in, it helps Gingrich if only because evangelical women in Iowa will have someone else to heap scorn on. But, women primary voters continue to be a sore point for Gingrich.

Jon Huntsman

I think Huntsman still can do well in New Hampshire, but I don’t yet see him getting support outside the press. If anything, so much favorable press attention has made it tougher for him. He’s not going to play well in Iowa. He’ll have to fight Romney and maybe Giuliani for New Hampshire. He’ll be a bust in South Carolina. That leaves what? Nevada where he’ll do okay and Florida where he won’t? Pffffft.

Gary Johnson

I’m leaving the same thing I wrote two weeks ago, except I’ll add this: Ron Paul goes further than Gary Johnson.

He and Ron Paul will go nowhere except at each others’ throats competing for the slim pickings of college students not too stoned to stay home and libertarian voters too ashamed to vote libertarian. It will amount to a lot of hot air and the aggravation equivalent of termites and lice, but in the end, actual primary election days will function like turpentine to the scalp of the Republican Primary.

Ron Paul

See Gary Johnson above.

Tim Pawlenty

Slow and steady, Pawlenty keeps making gutsy moves that are getting him noticed by donors and folks in Washington. If Perry or Palin gets in, it hurts Pawlenty tremendously. But I think he continues playing his hand better than any of the others with fewer unforced errors. I still expect, at this point, that he’s the odds on favorite for the nomination. That’s not an endorsement, or a bias in his favor, just an observation based on who else exists currently in the field and how those campaigns are doing in relation to Pawlenty’s.

Mitt Romney

The front runner, Romney keeps making errors, though I think he shrewdly played off Pawlenty’s ethanol rejection to get in good with people in Iowa. That might help him and hurt Pawlenty, but I also think it leaves a bad taste in people’s mouths as too opportunistic. Between that and an embrace of Romneycare, I think Mitt may be the front runner, but will have too much baggage to cross the finish line — particularly if Perry and/or Giuliani get in the race.

Rick Santorum

I am keeping what I said about Santorum from two weeks ago.

I still don’t see him making it to Iowa, but he is pulling in voters who were with Huckabee largely on the strength of his social conservative credentials. Left-wing media attacks on his prior statements are only helping him.

But he is still going to have to overcome the stigma of losing his Senate seat in a swing state in a year Obama was not on the ballot. Likewise, coming from the Senate continues to be a drain on Republicans. I continue to have a hard time trying to figure out exactly why Santorum is in the race.

If Palin gets in, I think Santorum’s run ends sooner rather than later. Without her, he’s got some basic staying power, but I don’t think he’ll have the funds to compete effectively.

COMMENTS

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    I dont think the Bushies would go after Perry if he came in. Yes they dont like him but he came in on Bush’s coattails and is stuck with Bush for better or worse. Plus, I just dont see W letting his people get into a pissing match with Perry.

  • luvnthebigsites

    — You have to feel a little bit sorry for ole Gary Johnson & Ron Paul:

    ——”and libertarian voters too ashamed to vote libertarian”.

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. 555

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    GWB is still so disliked that his insults to Rick Paerry would become left-handed compliments.

  • acat

    Yes, he’s a Republican.
    Yes, he’s really running.
    No, I didn’t know who he was in January either.

    Here’s a Wikipedia link (because I have no intention of visiting his campaign site and getting stuck on a mailing list or something…)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Roemer

    Mew

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    him in some GOP circles especially with fundraising, but at the same time I just think W is too classy to let something like that happen.

  • acat

    Having spent the last year trying to convince everyone of Bush 2.0′s total mishandling of everything (while using exactly the same playbook on many issues…) Team Obama have set themselves up…

    The squishy middle who have been convinced that Bush was a problem are all teed up to hear any Bush attacks on Perry as praise…. and what can Obama do about it?

    Mew

  • http://nerds4cain.com brookhaven

    he’s tearing it up. Tied with Palin as far as support.

  • http://nerds4cain.com brookhaven

    he’s tearing it up. Tied with Palin as far as support.

  • victrola

    Even if everybody on this list jumps in, I see Rick Perry being close enough to a White Knight to make him in the instant front runner. Palin would be instantly forgotten and would have no plausible path to the nomination. Perry could also tap into a huge donor base that could easily rival Mitt Romney, and would draw a perfect blend of grassroots support with big money Establishment. I don’t see Chris Christie getting in, and he’s said so many times in such strong language that he’s not going to run that I think it would now actually hurt his credibility if he went back on that, particularly in his home state of New Jersey.

    My hesitation on Perry is exactly what Eric was saying about how easy it would be to cast Perry as Bush 2.0. Right now with our current field though, I’d probably be willing to take that “punch in the face” and back Perry since no GOP candidate is going to be 100% perfect.

    If anything, I see Palin’s numbers dropping after this ridiculous bus tour trial balloon. Every day with Palin in the headlines just makes Obama look that much more Presidential. If Palin does decide to get in, I see 70% of the GOP instantly backing a comfortable front runner like Romney. There are already reports that Team Romney is licking their chops at the idea of Palin jumping in.

    Pawlenty is hoping nobody else is going to jump in, and if no one else does, I think he’s our best shot. If he doesn’t get the nomination, he should be on the short list for VP.

  • bruzilla

    Are you kidding? Palin’s been running since she got picked to be McCain’s #2. You must have missed her first bus tour, during her book signing, when she had security folks driving about in Secret Service-looking black SUVs to give her the Presidential look. Her bus tour now is nothing but a chance to get herself some of the attention that Bachmann has been grabbing, while not having to deal with campaign finance limits because she’s not officially running.

    While FNC may not be talking about Palin, it’s hard to look past the fact that her website is busilly soliciting donations. Donations for what? If she’s not running, wy would she be soliciting donations?

  • http://nerds4cain.com brookhaven

    I was talking to my mother in law last weekend, she’s something of a Fox news junkie and was really high on Michelle Bachmann running (she’s also a hardcore evangelical). I mentioned that Michelle Bachmann attended Oral Roberts University.

    You would have thought i poured a large glass of pure lemon juce in her mouth the way she puckered up. She wrote Bachmann off her list right then and there, based on that one fact.

  • http://nerds4cain.com brookhaven

    I was talking to my mother in law last weekend, she’s something of a Fox news junkie and was really high on Michelle Bachmann running (she’s also a hardcore evangelical). I mentioned that Michelle Bachmann attended Oral Roberts University.

    You would have thought i poured a large glass of pure lemon juce in her mouth the way she puckered up. She wrote Bachmann off her list right then and there, based on that one fact.

  • minister_of_war

    According to the article that I read in “the Hill” today, DeMint might be reconsidering & is actually considering running for President himself. He’d have the grassroots support more than anybody else, because he’s always fought the good fight. He is unquestionably solid on conservative issues & I would proudly support him for President.

    But for now, I think that I would most likely support Romney out of the cadidates who are running for sure (although the thought of Rick Perry entering is also enticing) and I have not totally made up my mind yet.

    But if DeMint gets in the race, that will be a true Primary game changer, because the base believes DeMint, and we will bleed for him because we know that he would do the same for us.

    I would love to see a Supreme Court full of Jim DeMint appointees.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    this is how Palin makes her money. Palin’s bank account level is directly related to her being or rumored to be a candidate tor President. I know its sad, but I’m afraid its also true.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    I too would also need an explaination of why someone would choose to go to ORU. If you said scholarship, or closest to home with a good conservative christian education I would say ok. But if you really belive like the higher ups at that school do, thats a serious question mark on you.

  • irishgirl

    My two cents is that W has made a point to stay out of the limelight and he would continue to do so if Perry were to jump in. The problem is his supporters who went all out to support Kay Bailey Hutchinson in the primaries for govenor against Perry.

  • minister_of_war

    If Jim DeMint does decide to run he would be the perfect candidate for the base to support. I’ve been hoping that he would run since… well, I can’t remember back that far.

  • powertothepeople

    where she chose to go to school matters little, nor does what she believe religiously affect her ability to govern.

    But since you brought it up, she went to college at Winona State University and only went to ORU for her JD degree. Her graduation year was the final year ORU offered law courses and which is now part of Regent University. The law courses offered at ORU at that time had little to do with the overall beliefs of the college. All this stuff about where she went has nothing, and I repeat nothing, to do with her competency to govern or her personal religious beliefs, period.

    It is just pure nonsense to state that her school choice should affect someone supporting her or not and it is even bigger nonsense to state that if some of her own personal spiritual beliefs agree with some of the beliefs of ORU that there should be a question mark. Pure nonsense….

  • sundaycombo

    Erick hit on the point I have made several times before. Fox would have her taken her off the air weeks ago without an assurance she was not running. And no way do I see her doing a retail person to person campaign that the voters in Iowa and New Hampshire demand if you want their vote.

  • powertothepeople
  • sundaycombo

    Newt has been playing that con for years and I am sure she was paying attention. He cried wolf so many times he finally had to jump in this year as he had boxed himself into a corner. Not that he seems to be campaigning particularly hard…

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    that book he wrote on the relationship between the founders and “religion” small r was so sophomoric it was pitifull. I literally hate that kind of symbolisim politics. You throw the flag up there with a picture of the ten commandments and Thomas Jefferson and thats supposed to be the basis of your platform, and the saddest part is it works for about 10% of the population.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    yes I agree that many good people graduate from ORU every year and she is problem included. But the heirarchy there believes, very fervently, that their future is going to be affected by miracles that God is going to do for them. If you were President of the US and you really were counting on miracles from God, thats going to be an issue.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    *problem =probably

  • red_oakster

    He’d need to do well in Iowa and I don’t see how he does it with Pawlenty and Bachmann (and maybe Palin) in the race. He’s a non-contender in New Hampshire, so he has to somehow hang on until South Carolina and win. It’s very similar to Fred Thompson’s predicament in 2008. My guess is Perry will stay out of the race for this reason.

  • izoneguy

    And they got crushed.

    I think they would side with Perry over Obama.

    Obama has failed in his Marxist coup. Time to clean up the mess.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    While I’m no fan of ORU’s theology, you’re building a very long bridge with questionable materials to get to your conclusion. In my experience, the degree with which people believe what they teach in that area varies greatly.

    Besides, the direction our government is going and the pace at which they seem determined to get there, it could very well take a miracle to turn this thing around.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Your last sentence, that is.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    about a run, then She would likely stay out of the race and endorse Perry if he runs. I say that because they are good friends and politically close.

  • izoneguy

    I think Perry will evaluate the results of the 82nd Legislature and then make a decision. I think he will announce at the 2011 Republican Leadership Conference.

    http://www.rlc2011.com/

  • earlgrey

    They deserve every bit of it.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8
  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    there is still lots of time to put a crew on the ground in both states and start stumping.

  • red_oakster

    Pawlenty need not fear Perry, but Erick is right that Palin poses a real challenge if she runs. But if Pawlenty does well in Iowa, he might be able to finish off Mitt in New Hampshire (South Carolina at the latest).

    However if one of the populists wins Iowa (Cain or Bachmann), the winner of New Hampshire becomes the favorite. There are too many delegates in blue and purple states and a Cain-type candidate would be doomed at that point.

    That would seem to favor Romney, but Erick underestimates the Guiliani candidacy. Rudy is betting on staking everything on an anti-Romney campaign in New Hampshire while counting on an Iowa crackup. He could become the alternative to Romney in NH and win-but only if Pawlenty got buried in Iowa by Cain or Bachmann. Then Rudy gets to go to Florida, Ohio, and California campaigning in a 2-person race. If Rudy gets out of New Hampshire, it’s far from far-fetched.

  • red_oakster

    Perry has lousy odds in Iowa and they’re worse in New Hampshire. We have a bizarre system for choosing nominees, and Perry is a victim.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • aesthete

    of most evangelical-oriented institutions of higher education (or of Oral Roberts, for that matter), you’re mischaracterizing both the theology and the nature of the institution. There is nothing wrong with believing in miracles so long as one does not plan on their regular occurrence (which would be odd given that “miracle” implies a certain irregularity).

  • powertothepeople

    if she or anyone believes in miracles, still, how does that affect their ability to govern? I believe in miracles, you state you are born again which means you should believe in them, and to take it a step further, has she in any way demonstrated that her possible beliefs interfere with the job she has been doing?]

    We have good people in power who believe there is no God, we have ones that believe in aliens dropping murdered souls into a volcano, who believe in a boy finding gold tablets on a farm, we have those who believe they can be slewed by the spirit and dance and flop in church, and so on and so on. Only thing that matters is how they govern. I could care less if they love Satan if they are solid conservatives in government.

    She went to law school there, that is all. And even if she believes some or all of the schools beliefs, still does not matter unless she has shown that her beliefs interfere with her ability to govern constitutionally. So far that is not the case, so her school of choice does not matter at all.

    I went to South Carolina, my sister to Bob Jones. I do not believe the way many of the USC staff and alumni believe. I have my own beliefs, I only went to school for an education so I could make a decent living. Nothing more, nothing less. She went to law school there, not to have her personal faith defined.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    And there is no comparing him to Barbour. Sure they were both long serving southern governors but that is where the resemblance ends.

    If you have never heard Perry give a speech, he is pretty damn good. He has a substantial presence, a clear speaking voice, and natural good looks that the pudgy, homespun Barbour lacks.

    And he has a pretty excellent record to run on.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8
  • sarg01

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist of a libertarian to figure out that the expansion of the federal government over the past few decades is a priority threat to the nation.

    Lessee – help the Dems stay in power in order to rule over an ever increasing portion of people’s lives OR support the legalization of the right to destroy your life.

    Sure, I agree that’s a right you should have, but it’s barely a blip on chart compared to the oppression the progressives have planned for us all.

  • aesthete
  • tea4me

    …of so many with Romney, Pawlenty, and Daniels.

    They’re all main stream RINOs IMO. I actually supported Romney in 08. Of course that was pre-Obamacare.

    Do people really think these are tried an true conservatives? Cap & trade, Romneycare, Abortion, Social issue avoidance? These are the people Kerry turned to to get his metaphorical flip flops.

    Republicans may support these candidates…but Conservatives sure don’t.

    It’s going to take principles to reverse the damage that RINOs did under Bush…and was put into hyperdrive by Marxists like Obama. And candidates that stick their finger in the air on such major issues simply won’t due.

    And that’s why neither Romney nor Pawlenty is going to win.

    Bachmann, Palin, Santorum, and maybe even Cain. These candidates represent the principles this country needs. People that say what they mean…and mean what they say. One of them…or someone like them…will win the nomination. If not, God help us all. And the freedoms our forefathers provided so long ago.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    You whine about so-called RiNOs, but you back the guy who backed Arlen Specter.

    Heh.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    We have more candidates at present than can credibly run for the nomination. Even more so if we get more entrants. I suspect that by the fall (if not sooner) we’ll be down to at most 4 or 5 candidates. At that point we’ll have a better indication of relative strengths and weaknesses.

    Then let the fun begin as the supporters slice each other to bits.

    Or maybe this time around we can do differently than 2008 and advocate positively for our choice rather than focus so much on the shortcomings of the other candidates. That would be a major change. Burning the house down doesn’t exactly benefit the occupants.

  • tea4me

    …would be a dream come true.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    he epitomizes everything wrong with what some people view as Christianity. Oral Roberts was a tevevanglits, and a blatent one at that. If you send me X amount of dollars, God will heal you. Thats who and what the university is founded on, and I have a big problem with that and the people who support it.

  • aesthete

    Though to be fair, one can certainly be excused for thinking that Bush-era domestic policy was truly the bottom of the barrel.

  • aesthete

    Though to be fair, one can certainly be excused for thinking that Bush-era domestic policy was truly the bottom of the barrel.

  • tea4me

    …after he became Benedict Arnold?

    They were from the same state. Specter was at the top of the Republican food chain. It’s not like he had much of a choice. And more importantly…supporting colleague doesn’t come close to being a supporter of liberal policy.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    God will do them when and how he sees fit. He will not do them just because Anunt Jane sends Oral Roberts $4,000 to cure her cancer. Thats the differene and its a big difference.

  • GOPUGA

    in the general election. I’m NOT saying I don’t agree with their politics. I AM saying if any of those are the nominee Obama will be re-elected.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    God will do them when and how He sees fit. He will not do them just because Anunt Jane sends Oral Roberts $4,000 to cure her cancer. Thats the difference and its a big difference.

  • tea4me

    ..not knowing your views on Daniels. Isn’t Daniels a Richard Lugar protege?

    He’s the re-incarnation of Spector.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    He chose to back Specter.

    And you’re choosing to back him.

    So get off your high horse about RiNOs.

  • GOPUGA

    who can bring, social, economic and tea-party conservatives together. I do think if Perry or Demint were to run they could do it as well.

  • aesthete

    It is atrocious, but not quite what you characterize it as being. Regardless, I have yet to see Bachmann wait on a miracle before acting, and while she’s far from my first choice as President, I would not expect her to simply sit on her hands waiting for a miracle as we get bombed by China.

  • tea4me

    I suppose you believed the media clap trap on Reagan then too.

    If you’re old enough to remember that is.

    That’s how we end up with RINOs. The nonp-believers simply don’t believe conservative princples can win.

    If we had any one of them instead of McCain. This nation wouldn’t be in the fix it’s currently in.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    While he was still a sitting Senator, enabling Specter to barely prevail over Toomey in the primary that year. Conservatives in PA didn’t forget, and Casey crushed Santorum in 2006. The rest of us paid the price.

  • powertothepeople

    and Oral was nothing more than a snake oil salesman, but that still does not change the fact that Michelle choosing to pursue her law degree there should reflect poorly on her or her ability to govern.

    I would maybe consider the argument if her undergraduate study was divinity, but even then, I could care less what a politician believes as long as they do what is right when they govern. She went to their law school only and it was mainly secular. Few of the undergraduate bible courses are taught at that level, it simply focuses on the course at hand.

    I would also state that ORU is not a school I would choose, but the school is a business. While some of their “beliefs” may be in agreement with what Oral believed, they have long ago separated themselves from his weight and focus more now on education. Even their divinity courses no longer reflect much of the heresy that was Oral beliefs

  • tea4me

    I simply don’t view any of those candidates as principled. It’s got nothing to do with who backed who. When the votes were counted…it’s WHAT they backed that’s important to me.

  • tea4me

    …if any of them did manage to win the nomination. I will support the party candidate. I’ll simply have to hold my nose and hope for the best.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    she was one. I like Michelle, I’m just saying that ORU is not an insitution I would choose to attend, even for my JD degree.

  • izoneguy

    Until then – Man the barricades!

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    I would just like to hear from Michelle as to why she choose to go there. If her answer was “Oral was a true inspiration to me and a modern day mouthpiece for God” then my red flags will start going up all over the place. My guess though is that her reasons were not related to OR or what it was founded on.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • tea4me

    …the intraciacies of Pennsylvania politics. But I find that very hard to believe.

    So you’re saying conseratives in Penn allowed a far left liberal like Casey to win because Santorum didn’t support the stronger conservative than Spector? Wow! Talking about cutting your nose off despite your face.

    I’m sure Santorum expected Spector to win. And it sure wouldn’t have been much help to his young career to go against a party elder and end up on the wrong side of it. Makes political sense to me.

    Santorum…let’s see. Support my in state colleague Spector and improve my chances of getting things done in the Senate? Or support Toomey and watch if flame out anyway when Spector wins.

    That’s politics. And a pretty tough choice. So I don’t begrudge him that. It’ssure better than a vote for Cap & Tax or Obamacare.

  • ehosterman

    with billing his local school district for cost associated with cyber schooling his kids in Virginia. It was technicaslly legal but didn’t play well with the Pittsburgh area voters, which had been his base. Combine that with conservatives staying home because of his supprot of Specter and he was toast. Finally, (and this is my own personal opinion) from some of my discussion with him, I felt he was a little bit phoney. he talked a good game but wasn’t particularly inerterested in taking on the hard fiscal issues like Social Security. He was however rock solid on pro-life issues.

  • tea4me

    …that was pre-Obamacare. And I would still consider him a better choice than McCain. Of course…that’s an extremely low bar.

  • Doc Holliday

    he said she is using the race for financial gain. I am thinking that is not the case. There are much easier ways for former government officials to make a buck. Ask Bill Clinton how he made his money after the presidency.

  • acat

    In a normal year, by the time we start seriously talking about Iowa (and we’re not there yet…) someone is usually identifiable as “the front runner”.

    *This* year, most of the field isn’t catching fire just yet, and there’s still plenty of time for someone who brings his own matches to jump in.

    Perry could be that person. So could Palin. The Conventional Wisdom theory has always been it’s one or the other but not both….

    Of course, the Conventional Wisdom said the same about Daniels and Barbour, and we ended up with neither.

    Mew

  • tea4me

    …and I was unaware of any cyber schooling issues. Haven’t heard of it now that he’s in the hunt yet either. He may not have appeared to take on the hard issues as you would like. But for me…that’s less important than actually voting against them like Romney and Pawlenty has.

  • Aaron Gardner

    You can’t say that you only support men of principle based on what they backed and then say that in 08 you gave Romney a pass on Romneycare because Obamacare didn’t exist yet.

    Look, I don’t like most of the candidates that are currently in the race, so this isn’t about who you are choosing to support, I am just pointing out that your supposed reliance on principle as a basis for your support is contradicted by your own record of past support. Good luck trying to round that square.

  • Doc Holliday

    that is what got us in this mess. BTW, I think Perry has a shot. I don’t buy this paranoia that he can’t win because he is a Texas governor, like Bush. I could understand if we had this great field of thoroughbreds, sure, why chance it? But Perry’s biggest strength is the poor field. And don’t argue with me guys, tell it to the Republican voters polled on the field.

  • acat

    DeMint concerns me .. because he’s not been a governor.

    He’s been inside D.C. and has apparently stayed sane, but … he’s been in the Senate. Whole different world on the executive side.

    Mew

  • Aaron Gardner

    I think he intends to build on his SCF successes and secure a more conservative Senate going into what we hope will be a majority in the Senate.

    Plus he and his wife hate D.C.

  • Doc Holliday

    as in pro individual rights and the Constitution. If we go with Bush 2.0 or Obama lite, we lose even if we win.

    If Johnson and Paul are the only two who want to restore the Constitution and the rugged individual, this country is in a lot worse shape than I thought.

  • acat

    Aaron – I want to point out that we agree on this.

    Government funded health care has been a bad idea …

    since Europe went cradle-to-grave.
    since Reagan argued against it.
    since Hillarycare was voted down.

    There’s no redeeming factors in Romneycare to make it okay, there’s only the limitation that it’ll only burn the residents of one State. That’s a little like a doctor saying to a patient “You’ve got colon* cancer, but don’t worry, it won’t affect anything else”….

    Mew

    * picked because Massachusetts is full of … nevermind

  • Aaron Gardner

    The poor field isn’t Perry’s biggest strength, his biggest strength is his federalist approach to government combined with his state’s awesome economic prowess while under his governance.

    ;)

  • tea4me

    …the fact is. I was unaware of Romneycare prior to Obamacare. It sure wasn’t a national issue back then. Guess that’s my fault. But I do know now. And Obamacare is my primary issue. And an un-repentant support of it’s “little brother” is disqualified as far as i’m concerned.

  • Doc Holliday

    He has to have something to contrast with the poor field, and you laid it out.

  • powertothepeople

    my question on why does it matter if she was to think what you stated or even thinks Oral was the prophet mentioned in Revelations.

    Have you not ever voted for someone who does not believe the way you do? Have you never voted for an atheist, Mormon, or any other belief that flies in the face of Christian beliefs?

    I just do not see where her school choice matters or where her possible belief in the theology of Oral matters. If you could point to where her job has been affected by stated beliefs, we could agree. But what you should care about is conservative record or lack of, not religious beliefs. If you or anyone were to hold possible heretical beliefs against her, you would have to hold that same discernment against 90% of who is up for our vote.

    Just saying, while it would be nice to have a congress filled with born again conservative christians, in my opinion of course, we should be more concerned with how they govern rather than to who they pray to.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    but he is late to the party, I made that very point early last week on here. My point being that most every presidential candidate and actual President were wealthy to some degree before they ever got on the national stage. For Palin, she made her money by getting on the stage. So in her unique case, her money is directly retaled to her VP and now taunting her presidential runs.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Thanks.

  • acat

    That’d be a fight we should be able to win, between the Dems being disproportionately up for re-election, the Tea Parties, and Obama’s negative coattails…. Lots of chances to add not just GOP folk, but actual Conservatives.

    Mew

  • Aaron Gardner

    It’s the things that we disagree on that makes me shoot the neighborhood cats with my paintball gun*. ;)

    * At least I didn’t say a real gun.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    He was booted a few years ago for mixing school money and TV money.

    So what he believes currently has no effect on the school.

    As already noted above, the law school was pretty divorced from the heirarchy back when Bachmann attended.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    I have to ask, like the old lady in the Wendy’s commercials, “Where’s the Beef” ?

    Sure he wasn’t as bad as Edwin Edwards, and he did give some pretty good rah-rah speeches when the economy tanked.

    But that is about all that I recall that was positive. There were a few early spending reforms then a lot of hot air, then he brought in the Lottery and gambling. Then became a Republican.

    Not much there, there.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    Because what he said in the article was that he was thinking about it.

  • rightwingmom52

    Not sure what you include in “evangelical-oriented institutions of higher eduation,” but I graduated from David Lipscomb College (now Lipscomb University), a church of Christ affiliated school, with an excellent education. It is consistently ranked as a top regional university in the South, as is Belmont (Baptist), Samford (Baptist), Harding (church of Christ), and others.

    http://www.lipscomb.edu/page.asp?SID=4&Page=6678

    I’d rather our elected officials take any of the classes offered by a religious based school over these classes offered at the “elite” or secular institutions:

    1. Occidental College – The Phallus
    2. University of California-Los Angeles – Queer Musicology
    3. Amherst College in Massachusetts – Taking Marx Seriously: ?Should Marx be given another chance??
    4. University of Pennsylvania – Adultery Novel
    5. Occidental College – Blackness
    6. University of Washington – Border Crossings, Borderlands: Transnational Feminist Perspectives on Immigration
    7. Mount Holyoke College – Whiteness: The Other Side of Racism
    8. University of Michigan – Native American Feminisms
    9. Johns Hopkins University – Mail Order Brides: Understanding the Philippines in Southeast Asian Context
    10. Cornell University – Cyberfeminism
    11. Duke University – American Dreams/American Realities
    12. Swarthmore College – Nonviolent Responses to Terrorism
    13. UC-Berkeley’s Sex Change City: Theorizing History in Genderqueer San Francisco
    14. Cornell University’s Sex, Rugs, Salt, & Coal
    15. Hollins University’s Drag: Theories of Transgenderism and Performance
    16. Hollins University’s Lesbian Pulp Fiction.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    Especially difficult in a “club” like the Senate. Probably won’t get enough this cycle to toss out McConnell (even under a best case scenario) but could get close enough to gain more favorable committee appointments. Wish it were different, but with a 6-year cycle, it takes time to change course.

  • tea4me

    …I never called anyone who supported them RINOs. It was the candidates they supported of which it was suggested.

    :-)

    …but agreement is good.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    it would be about discernment. If she believes that Roberts was a great prophet I severly question her judgement and obviously that would matter as President.

  • tea4me

    …and maybe you were refering to candidates like Pawlenty and Daniels. It’s hard for me to get past Pawlenty’s support for Cap & Tax.

    He does seem sincere though. Although I’m still not comfortable with him. First time I saw him was on Fox News prior to the 2008 election. He was pitted against a liberal shrill and got his clock cleaned. Guess with me he’s not being given a 2nd chance to make a first impression.

    I just think he’s weak and uninspiring. And Cap & Tax gives me a good excuse I guess.

    I got different “but similar” issues with Daniels. But I admit, I don’t really know enough about him. I just doesn’t matter any more that he’s out of the race.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    If I were hiring someone now for any professional position I would look away from anyone who graduated from one of the “Elite” universities because of the tendentious left wing BS they use to indoctrinate.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    plus he is dead now, so obviously his belief is inconsequential.

  • acat

    I just think it’s interesting because he’s running .. but Erick ignored him…

    I suspect he’s filling up his campaign war chest for retirement.

    Mew

  • http://nerds4cain.com brookhaven

    I didn’t realize I’d open up this big a can of worms, but it demonstates what I’ve suspected: Oral Robers U. will be an issue for Bachmann.

    Oral Roberst won’t just “controversial”, a significant percentage of evagelicals consider him to have been so far outside the mainstream that he was apostate–literally preaching a different gospel.

    My mother in law (an eldery, southern baptist from Alabama) used exactly that word–apostate. This was a person who was interested in Bachmann, and is now totally turned off on her. Simply because Bachmann’s name can, in some tangential way, be associated with Oral Roberts.

    I’m not sure what percentage of evangelicals she represents, but I do know her feelings were particularly stong on the subject. I don’t think she’d be satisfied with a “dont’ worry, it no big deal” explination.

    If someone went to a muslim school to get their law degree, would anyone be satified with the answer “they only went there to get their law degree, they weren’t into the religious stuff”? Probably not.

  • http://nerds4cain.com brookhaven

    I didn’t realize I’d open up this big a can of worms, but it demonstates what I’ve suspected: Oral Robers U. will be an issue for Bachmann.

    Oral Roberst won’t just “controversial”, a significant percentage of evagelicals consider him to have been so far outside the mainstream that he was apostate–literally preaching a different gospel.

    My mother in law (an eldery, southern baptist from Alabama) used exactly that word–apostate. This was a person who was interested in Bachmann, and is now totally turned off on her. Simply because Bachmann’s name can, in some tangential way, be associated with Oral Roberts.

    I’m not sure what percentage of evangelicals she represents, but I do know her feelings were particularly stong on the subject. I don’t think she’d be satisfied with a “dont’ worry, it no big deal” explination.

    If someone went to a muslim school to get their law degree, would anyone be satified with the answer “they only went there to get their law degree, they weren’t into the religious stuff”? Probably not.

  • minister_of_war

    I went to CPAC a number of years ago, and I was very surprised by Rick Perry’s speech. He sounded kind of like Bush because of his Texas accent, but it was like listening to an articulate & conservative version of George W Bush.

    I went away totally impressed & said this guy could be President of the United States to one of my friends who missed his speech. Perry’s rhetorical skill was totally unexpected. But I still remember that speech.

    You’re also right about Barbour. The biggest knock on him is that he’s such a party insider & his heavy-set appearance only plays into that mantra. Just like I think Chris Christie’s weight would be an issue on the national stage, I also think this would have been a problem for Barbour. I hate to say it, but I think subliminaly weight equates to glutany & reminds people of bloated & out-of-control government spending.

  • aesthete

    and I don’t want to start a theological debate, but Church of Christ isn’t part of the evangelical movement. My understanding is that it has an excellent track record as a liberal arts college — you got a good education (though the liberal arts aren’t really my bailiwick) My understanding (admittedly from Christian news periodicals rather than first- or secondhand knowledge) is that it has also tended to cater to the liberals in the Church of Christ moreso than the conservatives within the Church. Though I know of many Catholic and Protestant institutions with high academic standards, I am currently unaware of any truly excellent evangelical or Pentecostal institutions of higher education — which is a shame, considering that my views are closer to that of evangelicals and Pentecostals than of others, but that’s neither here nor there.

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  • Menlo

    People sign up for these classes for a reason. At least they aren’t being taught under the guise of “history” or “economics.”

    The vast majority of those entering these colleges don’t change their own beliefs, though I suppose they do learn new ways to deceive people and to shove their ideas down other people’s throats.

    The people who do change their views while in college almost always do so in response to their peers, not in response to the faculty or curricula.

  • YnotNOW

    I want to keep DeMint in the Senate and Ryan in the House. Because we need solid conservatives to fight for principles against the prevailing leadership in these places, not just in the White House.

    Because I selfishly want conservatives in all locations!

  • YnotNOW

    I want to keep DeMint in the Senate and Ryan in the House. Because we need solid conservatives to fight for principles against the prevailing leadership in these places, not just in the White House.

    Because I selfishly want conservatives in all locations!

  • minister_of_war

    It is way to early to worry about if there is a strong frontrunner or if the candidate of our dreams will finally decide to throw his or her hat into the ring. It’s almost as funny to me as the polls around this time 4 years ago showing Giuliani with a huge lead. I remember all of the pundits talking about whether or not anybody could catch him. Well they did & more. Giuliani ended up being barely a factor in the end.

    That is why Romney ‘s strategy this time around might be such a deterrent for other strong candidates entering the race. Romney went all in early on & he had a much larger stack of chips to play with. He truly could win the nomination just by outlasting the competition. But I don’t buy it that he wants Palin or anybody else to enter the race to further split the anti-Romney vote. That would just mean more math problems for his campaign to calculate. Romney’s big sigh of relief already came when Mike Huckabee opted not to run another openly anti-Mormon campaign against his again.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Plus, lets re-visit the election of 1960 when most Baptists did take exception to Catholic theology as heresy…they still gave half their electoral votes to JFK. The economy rules on elections. Theology rules on tithing!

  • Menlo

    The first college that springs to mind is Pepperdine.

    I don’t know what qualifies as “evangelical,” but the church is anything but “liberal.” Most people find it too “strict.” It can be a bit confusing to some to share the name of the disguised left-wing activist group called the “United Church of Christ.”

  • rightwingmom52

    From the dictionary:

    1. pertaining to or in keeping with the gospel and its teachings.
    2. belonging to or designating the Christian churches that emphasize the teachings and authority of the Scriptures, especially of the new testament, in opposition to the institutional authority of the church itself, and that stress as paramount the tenet that salvation is achieved by personal conversion to faith in the atonement of Christ.
    3. designating Christians, especially of the late 1970s, eschewing the designation of fundamentalist but holding to a conservative interpretation of the Bible.

    Having been raised in the church of Christ, with a long line of family members thereof, and being an active member, I can assure that we are and always have been evangelical. However, as you suggest avoiding a theological discussion, here’s a link to an article that outlines perfectly what we believe.

    http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1252-are-you-an-evangelist

    Lipscomb is indeed more liberal now than when I attended, especially with regard to the religious fundamentals – so much so that I no longer send them any alumni support. I guess I’m a little confused on what you consider an evangelical school, so I’ll amend my assertion to state that there are many religious schools that provide an excellent education, and I’d take them over the secular schools I mentioned any day.

  • rightwingmom52

    I tend to forget about the United Church of Christ group which is in no way affiliated with the church of Christ of which I am a member, and I would hate for anyone to confuse the two.

    I used the term “liberal” in my earlier post, but a better way to describe the differences among churches of Christ is what we consider “scriptural” and “non-scriptural” instead of conservative and liberal. Pepperdine has long since gone the way of being non-scriptural as have most of the other larger universities.

  • izoneguy

    Perry won’t let a darn lizard or Obama stop Texas oil production.
    Perry will disband the EPA once he becomes President.
    And will also turn the water back on in California.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sand-dune-lizard-cost-jobs-texas-added-endangered/story?id=13726850

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  • powertothepeople

    and not backed in fact. Outside of you and your mother in law, the rest of us pretty much recognize that she went to that school for a law degree and that as long as she governs as the constitution demands, we could care less about her spiritual beliefs.

    In all her years of being in congress, it has never been an issue. And so far during her might run for president, not an issue. Seems the only ones with the issue are you, your mother in law, and GC. Doubt too many others are going to fret over her getting an education at ORU.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I would say that the best distinguishing factor is the view of the Bible as conservatively and traditionally interpreted and, most important, authoritative re what is moral. It does not demand political unity. The best book that addresses this issue is

    Politics According to the Bible by Wayne Grudem

  • aesthete

    features of the evangelical movement in the 1800s (primary emphasis on salvation and basic truths, political participation to effect change) are not accepted by the Church of Christ*. The Churches were part of the Restoration movement, but had serious disagreements with their evangelical contemporaries. Participation in political institutions is a particular sticking point: Lipscomb was an extreme pacifist and an anarchist, and saw even being on juries and voting as incompatible with the faith. (The views of the movement are more moderate, but the various Churches of Christ still shy away from political participation.) Terms like fundamentalist, evangelical, dominionist, pentecostal, etc. are haphazardly combined and substituted for each other by the incredibly lazy “journalists” who write at mainstream periodicals, but there are differences.

    Pepperdine is an outstanding university, btw, as suits the Church of Christ’s legacy in education.

    *Not to say that they teach heresy or anything of that sort; simply that their emphasis is not placed so strongly on dispersing more basic truths of the faith.

  • aesthete

    vs “non-scriptural” to be a better dividing line than “evangelical” vs “mainline”, or “conservative” and “liberal”.

    Pepperdine’s a good university, btw — you are right that it has moved away from its scriptural roots, though.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I am a conventional Southern Baptist that has lived among them in the Bible Belt my whole life and so know that the characterizations by us my the media is a joke. We ARE the South. We are not the comic TV evangelists. Now, Bob Jones University advances some views that most Protestants deem outside the mainstream. Not to mention Mormonism. In 1960 theologically strict Catholics and Baptists considered each other heretics! I think such theological Catholics still do in large numbers. But that didn’t prevent half of Dixie going for JFK and Mitt;s problems getting the GOP nomination is NOT due to his problems with Christians. His problems are policy based.

    One other thing re Bob Jones Univ: Every person I have ever known that matriculated there (30 miles from my Spartanburg home until 2000) was a superior educated amd person of great character.

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  • aesthete

    You can get a terrible education anywhere if you try hard enough, and public, private and religious schools alike, regardless of their elite status, do a wonderful job of providing opportunities to do just that. However, going to Stanford for a graduate degree in math or to Harvard for graduate studies in econometrics is definitely no waste: as far as technical degrees go, there are a few recognized institutions that genuinely provide a better education than other schools.

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  • aesthete

    Here’s an op-ed that he wrote for Townhall with this chestnut:

    “Compassionate Conservatism targets the poor and hurting for help, whether they are across the street or across an ocean. To this end, Senate Republicans have developed a domestic anti-poverty agenda, which respects the critical roles of work, investment and neighborhoods in empowering families in need.”

    True to form, he voted for and was instrumental in passing NCLB, the atrocious pork-laden highway appropriations bill, Medicare Pt D and virtually every abomination that went down the pike during the Bush administration (and attempted to make them even more liberal in many cases). He pushed an un-Constitutional bill attempting to force businesses to “accomodate” their employees’ religious beliefs. He pushed for a bill to significantly regulate puppy breeders.

    While I have problems with TPaw and every other candidate, they pale in comparison to my problems with Santorum. Supporting arguably the most statist candidate running for office on the Republican side (and one of the most abrasive and arrogant) is no way to restore confidence in the GOP’s will to cut spending and reduce the reach of government.

  • minister_of_war

    Compared to a man who openly fantasies that he could run the US government more like the dictatorship in communist China, I don’t think we have to worry about Palin’s bus tour making her not “look Presidential”.

    Just think about it. Do American Presidents typically attack our strongest allies as Obama did with Israel? Or backstab our other allies like Obama has with Britain & Poland? Do America Presidents sue States like Arizona for supporting the enforcement of federal immigration laws that are supposed to protect our citizens by securing our borders with foreign countries? Would an American President support an attack on a private company like Boeing & the State of South Carolina by the NLRB for trying to create jobs & manufacture products here in the US while telling companies where they can & cannot produce goods domestically & thus favor one State over another? Would an American President arbitrarily decide that he is now the one who gets to rule on whether or not any federal law is constitutional & decide not to defend the laws in court that he doesn’t like as in what Obama did with DOMA?

    You see compared to Obama even Palin’s bus looks more Presidential. And I’d be willing to bet that her bus would probably make for a better President than Obama. One really couldn’t do worse.

  • minister_of_war

    One of the best points ever made.

  • rightwingmom52

    Not sure what you mean by the CoC not accepting primary emphasis on salvation and basic truths. We certainly believe in salvation and all other basic truths taught in the Bible which we believe is the inspired word of God. The disagreements were doctrinal (e.g., no instrumental music, baptism must be full immersion, etc.). The CoC are autonomous, and most support a lot of mission work.

    Perhaps your statement about the various terms explains my difficulty in understanding your assertions, but fundamentalist, literalist, conservative, traditional and evangelical are all words I’ve heard used to describe the church of Christ (but not pentecostal). Despite Lipscomb’s personal beliefs, I’ve attended services 3 x’s a week for most of my life (much more during my childhood when revivials were more popular) across the country – probably been to hundred’s of churches, and not once have I ever heard a minister or member say we shouldn’t vote or get involved. Quite the contrary. We’re watching a series called The Silencing of God on Wednesday nights, and the minister encourages voting for those who support socially conservative ideas). I go a step further and encourage voting for the 3-legged stool conservatives, but on a purely religious basis, social issues come first. As you noted, there is no heresy advocated (I’ve heard render to Caesar more times than I can count).

    There is what is known as an “anti” subset of the CoC that has some odd ideas about mission work and the support of widows and orphans, but they are few and far between.

    If you want to continue this discussion elsewhere, let me know. I’m just not sure where your view of the CoC comes from, but mine is 53 years of teaching and studying. Finally, I would not agree that Pepperdine is a good legacy for the CoC because of those pesky doctrinal issues I mentioned earlier. Frankly, neither is Lipscomb. Better places for that would be Freed Hardeman University in TN or Faulkner University in AL.

  • rightwingmom52

    I found the first definition of evangelical “pertaining to or in keeping with the gospel and its teachings” to be pretty accurate and actually in line with what you say. Which is exactly what the CoC does. The best book that addresses this issue is, however, The Holy Bible, but I’ll look into your recommendation as additional reading.

    Late for church now. Gotta go!

  • carolina

    I agree with you YnotNow. A national office (like president) means they would have to be president of ALL of the people (even though BO has not done a good job of that) I imagine Demint is very aware of this.

  • carolina

    I agree with you YnotNow. A national office (like president) means they would have to be president of ALL of the people (even though BO has not done a good job of that) I imagine Demint is very aware of this.

  • aesthete

    Shoot me an email @ aesthetic_tucsonan@yahoo.com

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I agree with you and Merriam-Webster! Amen re best source. Grumden agrees re Scripture. Heck, that’s why we are Protestants and Evagelicals. We have the Book!

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  • Scope

    http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=78

    Sure, after you lose a primary, you back the winner. That’s a major part of the problem. I find it interesting about the widespread trashing of Santorum because he backed Spector. It seems that that is a big part of his achilles heel. If I remember correctly. Specter was losing until W came in and helped him out. I can understand that Toomey would back the Republican in the race, but it has shades of Palin backing McCain in the AZ race. It wasn’t Santorum that helped put a radical leftist back in Washington, it was the sitting incumbent president that put him over the top.

  • Scope

    I was living in PA at the time. It wasn’t Santorum that got Spector re-elected, it was George Bush that went to the state to shill for Specttor. He had a credible challenge with Pat Toomey, and unfortunately it was W who visited the state to promote Spector. If I am not mistaken Spector who was in serious trouble for re-election, but W did everything he could to support the Liberal Spector. Was it an incumbent thing, I don’t know, but it probably had alot to do with it.

  • aesthete
  • Scope

    n/t

  • aesthete

    Here’s the campaign ad to prove it:

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  • rememberthealamo

    Perry appeals to Iowa as an 8 yr Tx Ag Commish before he was Lt Gov, then Gov. He was also a family rancher before political life. He can talk corn and wheat with Iowa farmers from first hand experience – something neither TPaw or Michelle can do.

  • http://www.deanticks.com digitaldean

    Perry has produced results in Texas. I just can’t get behind TPaw, I’m not beyond convincing, but as of now, I can’t back him.

    Gingrich, Romney and Giuliani just don’t move enough of the base. All 3 have baggage that would sink them vs. B.O. IMO, I detest Gingrich’s slam on Ryan (and later waffling), Romney is a RINO, Giuliani has his moments, but tends to revert back to RINO also.

    Herman Cain is interesting. My favorites would be Christie or Perry. Governors are managers and Christie/Perry can carry the experience factor for independents. Though Herman Cain would have a lot of convincing to do, this might be the perfect storm if he can play his cards right.

    Palin, though she is my favorite, has too much of an uphill climb with independents. Bachman has the same issue.

    Ron Paul’s fiscal policies are strong, but his foreign policy would make us a laughing stock. Santorum just doesn’t seem strong enough for me.

    Picks in order. 1.) Perry, 2.) Christie, 3.) Cain

  • tea4me

    Bachmann or Palin? Each would leave Pawlenty in their dust with tea party supporters.

  • tea4me

    He’s the biggest RINO of any candidate declared or otherwise.

    Won’t sign up against Obamacare
    Apparently supports illegal immigrants
    Put an extreme liberal on the NJ supreme court
    Supports Cap & Tax
    Stood up for a Muslim Mosque at the 9/11 site
    supported Mike Castle for Senate

    I love what Christie has done for NJ in standing up against the unions. But anyone who thinks he’s conservative Presidential material simply isn’t paying attention.

  • rightwingmom52

    I’ve found that my initial emails tend to land in the spam box. If you don’t get it, send an email to warbington3 @ att.net (no spaces) and I’ll reply back with what I sent.

  • rightwingmom52

    I know some of my redstate friends well enough to know where they’re coming from! Looking forward to the recommended reading (which I have a lot of).

  • powertothepeople

    he made an announcement today via his spokesman he is not running. He made it very clear he was not interested in being president at this time and only out of respect for his support did he think about it. But he is not running, at least this go around.

  • powertothepeople

    Spokesman Matt Hoskins said Wednesday that DeMint was seeking to be respectful of supporters when he told a media outlet he was discussing a potential 2012 presidential bid with his wife.DeMint is a tea party favorite and has taken on a kingmaker role by raising cash for candidates including Florida Sen. Marco Rubio. His entry would likely have an outsized effect on early voting South Carolina.Hoskins said DeMint is not running but wanted to be respectful of supporters urging him on.In his interview with The Hill, the senator reiterated he has no plans to run and said it would take an extraordinary set of circumstances; for him to do so.

    If someone reads the interview he gave to the hill and comes away thinking he may run, they really need to read the piece again.

  • BigRedConservative

    If he ran, he would be a credible alternative to Huntsman, as qualified but more conservative. He’d be the best foreign-policy man (or woman) out there. As he himself said, “I’m thinking about it [running]“. Don’t ignore him, he could be a potential screwball if he does.

  • aesthete

    I’ll probably get back to you sometime tomorrow afternoon; my work schedule is fun that way :)

  • davesinsanantonio

    Republican “likely” candidates gangs up on whoever is deemed to be the front runner at the time, with the leftist media complicit, until said front runner falls off the horse. Then they all gang up on the next perceived front runner until he or she falls. Etc.
    The problem with this approach is that we are left with a weak candidate who often gets tromped in the general.
    So, the players in the field and currently on the side lines need to be reminded of the Reagan Rule, and to stop playing into the hands of the Left and their lapdog media lackeys. Stop making their job easier for them!!! Instead of attacking each other the candidates should be articulating core principles, giving examples of how they have been successful, and of how unsuccessful Obummer and the other leftists have been throughout history and today. And maybe touting their own successes in the arena. But, stop giving ammunition to the enemy!!!

  • davesinsanantonio

    “would she (or he) be better than four more years of Obummer?”!!!
    All other considerations do not really matter in a presidential election. So, let’s stop talking about them and concentrate on beating the current occupant of the White House.

  • davesinsanantonio

    even if they went to school. The only question is who would govern better.
    By better I mean by the Constitution, keeping in mind the principles of the Declaration and the proven concepts of free market economics.
    Where they matriculated or worshipped is immaterial to the real question. True, such things may indicate beliefs and personality, but as long as a person is basically moral and has a good track record in their life, the real question is their theories and practices in relation to the proper roles and methods of government.
    Let’s stop wrangling over questions of theology or religion and keep to the subject. Which is, how do we get the country back on track and who would be best to lead that effort for the next four year term as president.

  • kaptkane

    according to the sources I read, Romney (announced) and Perry (un-announced) are the only two candidates “approved” by the Bildebergers.
    Romney would never get my vote anyway because of Romneycare and now Perry cannot/will not.
    Just one (independent thinking) man’s opinion.

  • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

    I’m sorry, if “doing your homework” requires reading whatever conspiracy material — as laugh-out-loud enjoyable as that is — then, no thanks.

    Seriously, though… you gotta cite your sources. Spouting random conspiracy nonsense, and then not even citing a source, believe it or not, actually makes you LESS credible.

  • davesinsanantonio

    as candidates? That process?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    GC included, can get too wedded to defending words/terms and ignoring the details of what is behind the words. You did just the opposite and I appreciate it. God bless again.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    the repository for fantastic faith for when it gets put into the secular world, you end up with non-science being applied to global warming etc and your wallet!

    http://frontpagemag.com/2011/05/24/why-the-left-shouldnt-laugh-at-religious-doomsday-predictions/

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    even an Orel Roberts can be goofy in one area and quite impressive in others and on an individual basis. Plus, look at all those schools not built by non-kooks. She got a law degree and if the Rev’s quoting of scripture inspired Michelle, then bravo. Christ uses flawed vessels everyday for his purposes.

    FTR, I am a standard Standard Southern Baptist and not a real fan of the Orels, but I did buy an album of his one time that was useless because the hole kept “healing” up…smile

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    cleared up that misunderstanding. I have great issues with the average product of the Ivy League, ie liberals.

  • ware94

    People underestimate this women. I think she will do very well in Iowa and South Carolina. She?s smart and huts back, which most of the other candidates don?t. She can also raise money. She will do well in the debates. My money is on the next Republican nominee being from the state of Minnesota. Bachmann or Pawlenty.

  • powertothepeople

    I forget that your name abbreviation matches Goldwater Conservatives.

    I was referring to his opposition to her choice in school, not your well founded dislike of the “education” received by Ivy League students.

  • realskinny

    but heard him in Dallas last year and he’s an electrifying speaker. With the right speech writer, Perry would make BO look like the boring, formulaic Marxist, he is.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • conservative_dan

    for backing Specter so forcefully. I understand he may have had to give Benedict Arlen lip service, but he jumped in all the way. I naturally still voted for Santorum when he lost, but never again. Just like I kept voting for Specter. I will never again vote for someone just because of the (R) next to their name. (Don’t get me wrong, I certainly wouldn’t then vote for someone with a (D) next to their name!!! :) ) If people want to vote for a lib, so be it. I’ll just have to suffer along with them. But no more betraying my principles.

  • acat

    because there can be only one Gamecock.

    Cat, for the record, thinks the important thing isn’t the institution that issues the parchment, but the mind that decides how to apply what it has learned…

    Mew

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    in the failures of liberal econ policies that lead to conservative and/or GOP victories. In large part, the conservative movement won no matter if Clinton or Dole were President. It was probably better to have Bill v Newt than Bob collaborating with Newt.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine