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Barack Obama Thinks an ATM Ate Your Job

Yesterday, Barack Obama gave away the game. Without actually using the words, Barack Obama admitted he is completely and utterly ignorant about job creation and economics. In an interview with the Today Show, Barack Obama declared that the unemployment rate remains so high because of ATMS.

Sadly, many people will agree with him because they lack the vision to see the whole picture. They see less bank tellers and more ATMs — much as Barack Obama does — and presume this must mean higher unemployment. This myth, and it is a myth, is older than even the great lament that cars put blacksmiths on the unemployment line by getting rid of the need for horse shoes.

This left-wing populist thinking does not create jobs and often leads to dangerous policies that stifle the innovation that create the jobs that spring forth from the ATM’s replacing the bank tellers. Barack Obama sees less tellers at the banks because of ATM’s. But he does not see new IT workers at the bank to manage the ATM — higher paid than the tellers. He does not see the computer programmers. He does not see the manufacturers of the machines and their component parts.

Barack Obama should read Henry Hazlitt’s Economics in One Lesson. The book was written in 1945 and debunks Obama’s myth succinctly. K. E. Campbell links to the relevant portion:


Among the most viable of all economic delusions is the belief that machines on net balance create unemployment. Destroyed a thousand times, it has risen a thousand times out of its own ashes as hardy and vigorous as ever. Whenever there is a long-continued mass unemployment, machines get the blame anew. This fallacy is still the basis of many labor union practices…

The belief that machines cause unemployment…leads to preposterous conclusions. Not only must we be causing unemployment with every technological improvement we make today, but primitive man must have started causing it with the first efforts he made to save himself from needless toil and sweat…

For starters, this Obama comment really is odd when he wants the government to subsidize the production of electric cars, which would destroy whole sectors of the economy centered around gas fueled cars. If he believes ATM’s destroy jobs, why does he want to subsidize government innovation in green jobs, which would destroy other jobs? Of course, the answer to that is that he wants to destroy the other sectors.

There, in fact, is the most important and revelatory bit of this whole statement. Barack Obama premises his world view that innovation kills jobs. But, Barack Obama wants to innovate and advance technology in certain areas of the economy, e.g. government and green jobs. Therefore, we can conclude based on his own presuppositions about innovation that Barack Obama is intending to kill off sectors of the economy by forcing government to fund innovation in other areas of the economy.

It all makes sense now, even though it is an ignorant and wrong presupposition.

Machines do not cause unemployment. They just move employment elsewhere — from the bank teller line to the IT line to the manufacturing line, etc.

What’s more troubling about Barack Obama’s statement though — and the White House doubling down on it — is that it leads to one of two conclusions, both of which are horribly wrong.

The first conclusion is that we should get rid of technology, declaring a veritable Butlerian Jihad. Doing so would cause companies to allocate resources more inefficiently, which might increase the labor pool in one sector of the economy, but assuredly wipe it out in another.

The second conclusion is that we must settle for this. It is arguable that we are in a period of stagnation with regard to innovation, invention, and technological progress. But settling for this as fact will most likely lead the government to take public policy steps to strengthen and expand the social safety net to compensate for lost jobs than to get government out of the way and fire up the private sector to move beyond the stagnation and innovation plateau.

We can see already that Barack Obama has decided to go with the second option — to accept a decline and prepare for the decay caused by the decline instead of taking proactive steps to get the economy firing up again.

Barack Obama shows himself to be clearly ignorant of the way a free market economy works and innovates. Consequently, his economy policy is founded on that ignorance, accepts as gospel the decline of the United States, and, until he is replaced, we’re screwed.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.voteforteri2010.com teridavisnewman

    Once again Barack Obama shows his total lack of any kind of grasp of basic economics. The incredible ignorance of the current resident at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is absolutely terrifying to those of us that DO understand economics and business. This is why small business owners and others who create jobs are waiting and watching and not hiring or expanding their businesses. In these uncertain times, it’s always better to stockpile assets and take a cautious wait-and-see approach because there’s no telling what the Blunderer-in-Chief will do next. There are no circumstances under which I would expand my business or take any kind of risk while Obama is in office. I’ve worked too hard for too many years to roll the dice on what the most incompetent POTUS ever might do next!

  • http://www.BTWsociety.org racvt

    .. or is calculatingly cruel.
    His “machines kill jobs” premise reminds me of the time a US citizen, visiting a university in India noticed a whole platoon of Indians in a row on hands and knees, ‘mowing’ the campus lawn with scissors. It took them several days, and as soon as they got to the end, they had to go back and start all over again.
    He suggested to his Indian host that one gasoline lawnmower could do the job in a few hours.
    To which his Indian host replied, “Yes, of course, but then what would we do with all those workers?”
    It’s their culture and an overwhelmingly vast majority of Indians suffers for it.
    The liberal (and Obama’s) conceit is they they and they alone, have the intelligence to devise ways to put people to work.

  • minncon

    He stated it wrong, but the fact that he exhibited any grasp of economics stunned me. I think what President Zero should have said was that technology and today’s global business environment have caused job DISLOCATION and DISRUPTION…

    If you were a bank teller when ATMs started to obviate the need for you and many of your coworker, and you lost your job because foot traffic to your bank branch dropped off (since fewer people had to come to the bank to get cash)… well, for you, ATMs did cause unemployment.

    But, as Erick points out, the increased designing and manufacturing of ATMs did create jobs somewhere. Probably most of them in Japan, then eventually elsewhere in Asia, I’ll bet. I’ll wager money that the jobs didn’t stay in the U.S.

    I was, for awhile, associated with the travel agency business. The advent of the internet and the computing explosion pretty much decimated that industry in favor of a direct-to-consumer flow of information and ticketing capability. So much for travel agents, and the other businesses they were supporting. And, as Zero said, airport check-in kiosks have largely replaced the phalanxes of airline representatives that you used to see behind the counter.

    Heck, I’ve actually been charged an additional fee for buying my ticket from a counter agent at the airport – think the airline’s trying to push me toward a kiosk? Do you think they’d be doing that if it were cheaper to employ humans than buy and operate kiosks? Sure, someone had to design and build the kiosks… someone in another country.

    While there is plenty – and I mean PLENTY – to scoff at Obama about, I don’t think it’s fair to consider him an complete idiot for these particular comments. It’s akin to what the libs and media did to George H.W. Bush about the whole “grocery scanner episode.”

    And if you TRULY think that automation and increased efficiencies in business don’t result in layoffs and job dislocation… you’ve likely never had to let large numbers of people go because of changes in a business model.

  • popster

    What will his green job push do to the job market? Obviously he has a fingertip grasp of job creation and progress.
    I thought machinists and metallurgists might have come from the blacksmiths.

  • nickel

    With the rapid crumbling of the Obama edifice of competency, it looks as if we might have an Obama resignation sooner than an Anthony Weiner one. A couple more weeks of letting the mask slip and Michelle talking about a one term Presidency and even the Democrats might be ready to give Barry Soetoro a strong push toward the exits.

  • nickel

    With the rapid crumbling of the Obama edifice of competency, it looks as if we might have an Obama resignation sooner than an Anthony Weiner one. A couple more weeks of letting the mask slip and Michelle talking about a one term Presidency and even the Democrats might be ready to give Barry Soetoro a strong push toward the exits.

  • nickel

    As one of the other commentors pointed out if you are a bank teller you might well think that Obama has a good point. The effect of job dislocation is part of the creative destruction of free market capitalism and what has helped generate such treamendous wealth in the United States. As the entire process becomes more and more efficient then all of us are able to have a higher standard of living because of the increased productivity of our workers.

    An ATM is a bank teller enhancer by allowing the human tellers to focus only on those tasks that require a higher degree of specialization than just checking a balance or withdrawing cash. It is this process that makes the entire system more and more productive. IN an odd way it is one of the tropes of the Left that the minimum wage must be high enough to provide a decent living, that fuels the rapid replacement of human low skilled labor with machines.

  • nickel

    As one of the other commentors pointed out if you are a bank teller you might well think that Obama has a good point. The effect of job dislocation is part of the creative destruction of free market capitalism and what has helped generate such treamendous wealth in the United States. As the entire process becomes more and more efficient then all of us are able to have a higher standard of living because of the increased productivity of our workers.

    An ATM is a bank teller enhancer by allowing the human tellers to focus only on those tasks that require a higher degree of specialization than just checking a balance or withdrawing cash. It is this process that makes the entire system more and more productive. IN an odd way it is one of the tropes of the Left that the minimum wage must be high enough to provide a decent living, that fuels the rapid replacement of human low skilled labor with machines.

  • romeg

    is the Madonna of politics. His single accomplishment in life is bamboozling a sufficiently large number of Americans into voting for him in the mistaken belief that he had actually accomplished something.

    No person in American public life is less qualified, in terms of ability to actually do the job, for the office he occupies than Barack Hussein Obama.

    He doesn’t merely espouse such drivel as he did in the Today interview; he deeply believes it. Such is what passes for the deep intellect of Barack Hussein Obama.

  • pgrossjr

    Well that and the the sky rocketing cost of arugula and Waygu beef.

  • banzaibob

    May have been designed and built somewhere else but they still need to be serviced by security to put in or remove cash from the machine and techs are required to do installation and repair.

  • arthurmanger17

    Joseph Stalin comes to mind, but there are many others. The problem with Obama and his party operatives, is they chose the wrong country to become King in. The left has been slowly over a hundred years, have been working to enslave Americans. They thought that a spoon full Obama would help their medicine go down, and pushed to close the deal. Americans discovered that what they got was a full dose of poison, and are now looking back to see how they got this far. 2010 was the beginning of their end.

  • gunslingr45

    Bull Hockey! I have been with the same bank for over 30 years and even though they have ATM’s they still have the same number of tellers on any given day. What (as you stated) they have done is to create more higher paying jobs.
    The ATM’s were mostly to give you access to your money during non banking hours.

    Know Liberals/RINO?S, Know Despair.
    No Liberals/RINO?S, No Despair.

  • mkozikowski

    can one truly believe that the ATM has replace the Bank Teller.

    It is abundantly apparent that Mr. Obama has never been to a bank. With ATMs in almost every convenience store in my area, the lines at the bank are still just as long. The tellers are still doing all those things they used to, such as Deposits, Withdrawals, etc.

    Just like his poor “Shovel Ready Jobs” joke, this statement solidifies his failure as a leader and an economist. He should be embarrassed of the absolutely ignorant things he says.

    He promised that if he were to do anything as horrible as A. Weiner, he would resign. Well Mr. President, you have been for the last 4 years.
    When are you leaving?

  • streiff

    just because an industry disappears doesn’t mean permanent unemployment. There are more people at work today, even with the recession, than there were in the golden age of bank tellers and travel agents.

    Again, read the article before you comment. It wouldn’t make you look quite as obtuse and it wouldn’t make me flirt with the idea of turning off your account.

  • finbar

    I’ll be Obama can see an ATM from his house.

  • spinoneone

    has worked in economics since man first began to make things. The guy who could do it best put his competition out of work. Those now unemployed workers had to find something else to do. And speaking of bank tellers, does the Federal Reserve still provide “clearing house” facilities? Sure don’t need to for my checks, all of which seem to clear electronically and with no “float” as we used to have in the pre-computer days. Has employment at the Fed declined? I don’t think so.

    There have been several reports circulated in Europe, especially about Spain, showing that green jobs like building wind turbines actually cost jobs overall. I would bet a lot that the 0 wouldn’t agree with that statement.

  • conservative_dan

    ideology that the left is always accusing the right of? Progress leads to unemployment? So now we see who the REAL “flat earthers” are.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    build Jeffrey Immelt’s wind turbines for him, do the machines used to build them suck green jobs out of China and bring them to the US?

  • Duke

    I read both the article and the response, and I didn’t see the respondent being a troll or being somehow disrespectful. He/she had a differnt take on the issue, but not one that was somehow unreasonable or subject to the threat of censure. Unless you know something about the repsondent I don’t know, you should have stopped your reply at the first paragraph.

    Sorry if you disagree with this comment reply, but I just think it was wrong to discourage participatory discourse here at Red State.

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    minncon may very well be correct. While on the whole, technology itself may not lead to a net loss in jobs globally, it may very well lead to a loss of jobs here in the US. According to Erick, we should be seeing a shift to the manufacture of said tech, but we haven’t with manufacturing jobs going from roughly 17.5 million in 2000 to under 12 million today. And while computer systems design is up, we are only talking about a gain of a few hundred thousand jobs in a sector that only employs about 1.6 million total. The fact is that technology has had a large impact on middle class employment and the ability to find other middle class type jobs when the dislocation from technology happens.

  • audax
  • Duke

    So many times I see situations in the Oblahblah White House, and with the Democrats in Congress, that fit portions of Ayn Rand’s book, “Atlas Shrugged.” I wonder if the bamster would fit better as Wesley Mouch or as Mr. Thompson. In any case, the overall effort of the administraion at this point in history certainly seems to be the same as the looters who ran the fictional U.S. in the novel. Texas seems to be the nearest comparison to “Galt’s Gulch.”

    I’m more and more inclined every day toward hearing the title, “President Perry.” And especially so after the “Pepsi or Coke” show.

  • Common_Cents
  • jaykali

    The fact is that economies need to keep pace with technology. Do we lament the loss of typewriter repairmen? Jobs are created and eliminated. I am a web developer. We didn’t have the web when I was a child. America has been able to be the world leader in the professional services-type industries. I just think it is small thinking to say somehow we as a society ‘screwed up’ bc 1 job or another was eliminated. Overwhelmingly job positions today for new graduates are much more attractive than they were from their parents/grandparents. People work at a desk instead of with their hands (unless they WANT to work with their hands). I feel like people don’t understand how economies work, how international trade works. They oversimplify things to geese this trade deal means we send all our jobs to China. I think our unions and high taxes are what send job overseas. You can see a microcosm of this in the US. Jobs are moving to ‘right-to-work’ states bc it’s easier to run a business and make a profit when your workforce isn’t going on strike every 3 years.

    Obama shaped his political ideology first and then wrapped his economic theory around it in a way that was consistent with his worldview. He does not understand economics, he never ran a business – I don’t even know if he took business 101. He surrounds himself with other Keynesian professors that believe what he believes. It doesn’t work.

  • blooch

    Distortion of the bank loan market caused by government meddling and social engineering. Barry would be a complete idiot to mention that fact in his economic discourse. Much smarter to rage against the machine.

  • izoneguy

    Lud?dite (ldt)
    n.
    1. Any of a group of British workers who between 1811 and 1816 rioted and destroyed laborsaving textile machinery in the belief that such machinery would diminish employment.
    2. One who opposes technical or technological change.
    [After Ned Ludd, an English laborer who was supposed to have destroyed weaving machinery around 1779.]

  • clayleas

    …and only now, 2-1/2 years into the Obama administration, are they the cause of high unemployment. Really???

  • Locked and Loaded
  • texan4america

    is just too stupid to even qualify for an answer. My gosh. What WAS this country thinking when they elected him?

  • texan4america

    Deep comment … but unfortunately true!

  • texan4america

    can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. Wonder which it is for the American people?

  • johnt

    The Luddites rise from the dead, and call themselves progressives.
    One thing is a carry over from the 18th & 19th centuries, asylums.

  • texan4america

    are absolutely right! Obama is KILLING small businesses and job creation — himself! What he wants is a country DEPENDENT upon the government for survival … therefore total control. Scary!

  • http://barnettlaw.org Frozen_Man

    DON’T GET ME WRONG, it was incredibly ignorant, incorrect, and completely illogical, however with the low bar he has set for himself it was downright brilliant. (I kid even by his standards it was pathetic).

  • streiff

    and ignored.

    If you don’t like it start your own website.

  • Locked and Loaded

    maybe we should dump automation and go back to using paper food stamp coupons and welfare checks.

  • blooch

    ATM Speculators soon, followed by a moratorium on further ATM construction.

  • JSobieski

    nt

  • blarman

    One of the socioeconomic effects of technology, however, has also been that of eliminating/marginalizing borders. The United States once used to be fairly insular, but trade has broadened our reach everywhere. Technology now allows people all over the world to speak to each other in microseconds – eliminating many artificial borders. Though many US industries have suffered, countries such as South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia, China, and India have been able to employ workers to support the economy of the US, netting millions upon millions of new jobs.

    And let’s also review WHY many US industries have suffered: Again, government policies/taxes (not all of them ours) have been the major contributor. Labor unions are the other.

    Technology enables and empowers and creates more and more specialized jobs all around the world. The US can still be a leader, but we have got to lower taxes on business and get rid of labor unions that artificially drive up the prices of doing business here in the US.

  • billyd

    The ATM was invented after January 20th 2008.

    And don’t ATM’s make it easier to get access to your own money, and thus easier to spend (put that money back into circulation within the economy) and grow the economy, thus create a need for more workers to create/sell more products?

    I guess that entire internet bubble economy of the 90′s was a time of high unemployment, afterall, it became easier to get products thus you needed fewer people to sell them. Right? (All of you in the IT sector please ignore reality)

    His comments show his ignorance.

  • sarg01

    It’s a Fortune 500 company in a swing state (Wisconsin) whose primary mission is back end infrastructure and processing for banks, credit unions and the like. Their 19,000 employees would probably appreciate it.

    http://www.fiserv.com/sol_payments.htm

  • pantera

    Don’t forget the crew that installs & service said ATM.
    Framer,concrete,electrician,money handlers & the convenience of a after hours drop box.

  • http://whattoreadtoday.blogspot.com/ Paula

    Jonah Goldberg noted today that there are more tellers now than in 1985:

    “At the dawn of the self-service banking age in 1985, for example, the United States had 60,000 automated teller machines and 485,000 bank tellers. In2002, the United States had 352,000 ATMs ? and 527,000 bank tellers.” http://bit.ly/iysYqe

    In addition, Diebold, a Canton, Ohio company that makes ATM machines, employs 17,000 and has annual revenues of $3+ billion. That’s just one company in my neck of the woods.

    Last night my husband told me a story about a company he used to work for that made wire-braiding machines. When the Chinese purchased one, they opted for the model without the attachment that automatically wound the wire when it came off the machine. They preferred to have a human do that. After all, in China, the Communist system has an interest in making the processes more rather than less labor-intensive. Our Dear Leader is apparently taking his cues from Hu.

  • runner12

    now it is the fault of those evil ATM machines. This guy is the gift that keeps on giving. Everyday he finds some new way to prove how utterly incompetent he is to be President.

  • funwithknives

    Once again BARRY opens his mouth and Blather tumbles out. WHEN will the GOP figure out that one very effective way to help him out of office is to start using these and other statements against Progressive Thought, using various media. Split-screen his meanderings against real histories, happenings and trends ,but keep it simple and directed toward people’s WALLETS. If you want to win a battle you have to prepare and recconoiter. Adjust for reality and get going. If you don’t think this IS a Battle, think Twice and One more time. All avenues should be looked at ,and none disregarded if some effect can be measured and used. Oriental Martial arts use the opponents supposed force and turn it against THEM. Prior GOP Plans got us HERE,and Here Ain’t so pretty,is it? If You’re P O’d and do nothing , TUFF NOOGIES for you. Do something and Start The Wave,Time’s-a-Wastin’.

  • Menlo

    It wasn’t that consumers were turning elsewhere. Travel agents had problems because air carriers stopped offering commissions in the early 90′s. Travel agents are still quite popular for cruises and complex travel arrangements.

    The blame for that, among other things, should be directed at the airline industry.

  • gekster

    Don’t you know, you can’t unionise a machine and get dues from them.
    No dues, no donation to the DNC.
    DNC looses power.
    Simple.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    if he ever figured out how to unionize at ATM! Scary thought.

  • uselogic

    behimd bank teller unemployment because….. it’s him. Or perhaps the entire Democrat party if you look a little further back.

    FDIC reported bank failures since 2000 = 394
    Since Democrat retake of Congress (Jan 1 07) = 370 of the 394
    Since BHO inauguration (Jan 20 09)= 340 of the 394

    http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html

    Quote those stats to your liberal acquaintances

  • Menlo

    In some cases, it doesn’t necessarily move them to related areas either, certainly not in this country. I doubt the ATM has done much damage. It isn’t anything new, and there are plenty of other technologies that have had far greater impact. I’ve never used it for my own banking, and there are plenty of people at the banks who are always busy. They even have longer hours now than they used to! It’s not like the switchboard telephone operators whose role has ceased to exist. The ATM is an extremely stupid example.

    I would point out that any lost jobs nationwide have been more than replaced by a growth in demand for health care workers, particularly nurses. I never hear mentioned the the fact that anyone who is willing to become a nurse will have no problem finding a job, and the demand will only grow. In fact, like it or not, a lot more young people are going to have to go to nursing school if they ever hope to easily find a decent-paying job.

    We may soon enter a time when almost the only Americans not providing health care are those receiving it.

  • Finrod

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/06/o-on-atms.html

    Not only linked, but quoted a full paragraph or so as well. Good to see there’s at least one reporter at ABNBCBSCNN that will link to a blog that’s not hardcore liberal.

  • http://whattoreadtoday.blogspot.com/ Paula

    Unionize bank tellers and you unionize ATM’s .

    Make bank employees federal employees, you’ve got government unions.

    Alternatively, create a scenario in which a cyber threat would render ATM’s a homeland security threat. The government would federalize the ATM’s (for our own protection, of course, and to protect the currency). Voila! They’re sending union dues to Obama!

    ATM’s could also be put into service to pay into Social Security, Medicare and Obamacare. Just add a .01/transaction tax and all our problems will be solved. Everyone will forget about unemployment in the light of a new day of government surpluses.

    This ain’t rocket science.

  • minncon

    Wow, Streiff – if someone with your temperament actually has the power to “flirt” with turning off a respectful contributor’s account… there may be a job for you in Obama’s Department of Internet Policing.

    In my comment, did I say that there is permanent unemployment when an industry disappears? No. I stressed that industry changes can cause workforce dislocation… also known as layoffs… also known as unemployment (temporary.)

    To borrow from your snarky retort to me: Read and comprehend a comment before you respond to it. It wouldn’t make you look quite as irrational and wouldn’t paint RedState as just a conservative mirror-image of the crazy lefty blogs.

    Does the RedState rule of “Be respectful, or be banned” also apply to you?

    Thanks to those who spoke up on my behalf.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    He did it in 2008; the question is whether he can repeat that in 2012.

  • minncon

    … but it was because they saw the coming ability to shift their distribution to a lower-cost channel (online) that they took a chance and put their thumbs in the eyes of what, at the time, was their most significant salesforce (travel agents.)

    The continuing march of technology and the changes to the travel agency industry were not unrelated things.

    And please, before anyone responds by labeling me a flat-earther or luddite: I am NOT “raging against progress.” I am only pointing out the ridiculousness of the proposition that “progress” (a very good thing) is not responsible for major changes in the lives of people who work in the industries that are progressing.

  • minncon

    … as it was 30 years ago? Because unless it is, SOMETHING (like automation) made it possible to reduce that ratio in the name of efficiency (and yes, along with it, provide more convenience.)

    Honestly, I don’t hate progress. But I just know that in the short term, it has dislocated existing jobs… just as it has created new ones. But that doesn’t immediately help workers who lose those existing jobs. They do, in fact, become unemployed – at least for awhile. That’s all I’m saying.

  • acat

    Zenith had a very well developed network of repair technicians. Paid pretty good, all indoor work (obviously) .. just had to have some decent customer service skills and an understanding of electronics.

    Japanese “disposable” televisions (very cheap manufacturing, no intent to repair at all) killed the job of TV repairman, and, since the company failed to adapt, also killed Zenith.

    Travel agents are not necessary for cruises, by the way. Pacific Princess (love boat) and Norweigan and Disney and Carnival all have web sites where you can book a cruise, right now.

    Travel agents appear, to me, to exist for three things:

    Putting together packages for groups, i.e. “Group X will leave New York aboard the S.S. Minnow II, arrive in Miami on {whenever}, then proceed to Galveston ..”

    Corporate travel; large companies outsource the negotiations for reduced short-notice air fares, hotels, and cars to an agency.

    Complex trips for people willing to spend money instead of time, i.e.”I want to cruise across the south atlantic, hitting destinations X, Y, and Z, take the train up to Switzerland, and then jet back in time for my polo match on {whenever}”

    Travel agents had been shrinking since airlines first put up sites on compuserv and AOL.. you’re right about that .. but the other thing that killed ‘em off was the ability of airlines to outsource phone banks. Instead of having to employ all the people taking calls, they go to a phone bank, someone picks up the call and a screen pops up in front of ‘em with their script to follow. That technology and business model has been around since the ’80s…

    Mew

  • powertothepeople

    Streiff is a mod, he has the power assigned to him by the owner and editor of the site to close accounts for whatever reason or reasons he deems appropriate, you have no right to post here no matter what you think so your Obama Job comment is moronic much like your original post.

    And if you do not like the way a mod, or for that matter anyone else, talks to you, by all means hit the contact link and cry there as it does not belong on the site. Then you can sit back and wait for a reply but I would suggest you make sure you are well stocked with food and water for the long wait as well as a great big piss pot.

    But glad you found solace in the company of morons you alluded to.

  • gpclaw

    Or do ATM’s allow banks to serve a greater number of customers with the same number of tellers?

  • 6eorge Jetson

    :)

  • 6eorge Jetson

    And it takes someone to figure out how to do that.

  • gpclaw

    New technology designed to benefit a specific industry, more often than not, will find it’s way into a completely separate industry, and used in ways the designer of the technology never imagined.

    The electronic funds transfer networks, which is the telecommunications network that connects the ATM to the bank, has also led to the development of e-commerce. Without this infrastructure in place, it would be impossible to make electronic purchases on the web. The ability to complete online transactions has created entire new industries, and with it jobs, that could have never existed without the development of the Automated Teller Machine.

  • gpclaw

    that, if it weren’t for the ATM, an entire army of bank tellers would have to be hired, in order to hand out the volume of money that has been printed since he got the job.

  • gpclaw

    and the networks that support them, it would be impossible to purchase airline tickets online.

  • Menlo

    Commission caps began in 1994-95, well before such online activity was evident. Coincidentally, it has also been since that time that air carriers have engaged in massive consolidation and cost-cutting schemes across-the-board.

    Commissions ceased altogether following September 11 with the obvious excuse. Of course, the airlines have not stopped consolidating and engaging in increasingly odious cost-cutting practices. Other industries have too for about as long a time.

    I’m not sure of the reasons, and there really is no evidence to prove what was behind it. I would be surprised if the internet was significantly responsible.

    I would never argue technology is not responsible for major changes in the lives of people who work in ANY industry. For some people, it’s been a good thing, and for others, it has been bad. It would be incredibly stupid to label such a broad concept as primarily good or bad.

  • Menlo
  • 6eorge Jetson

    I would point out that any lost jobs nationwide have been more than replaced by a growth in demand for health care workers, particularly nurses. I never hear mentioned the the fact that anyone who is willing to become a nurse will have no problem finding a job, and the demand will only grow.

    Like water finds it own level, job-seekers will find value-adding opportunities provided they are fluid.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    but not yet understood at a gut-level by Obama & the statists.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    ((rolls eyes))

  • Menlo

    People may not understand the terms and conditions when purchasing on their own, and they may want to add special requests that are not that elaborate or extravagant but would be frustrating to do on one’s own. I would use a travel agent for any vacation if I were to take one. I doubt the cost difference would be that drastic, especially considering that travel is far too cheap now anyway (and it shows).

    To that end, many travel agents have been able to use their same skills to shift more of their business to event planning.