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The Fordham Foundation Yet Again Pretends to Lean Right to Attack Rick Perry From the Left

Yesterday on National Review Online, Checker Finn took one pot shot after another at the state of Texas and publicly displayed his hand-wringing over Texas Governor Rick Perry’s potential influence on national education policy. You see, Mr. Finn tries – quite unsuccessfully in my view – to target Texas “bravado” as the threat to a sound education policy. On the one hand, he attempts to criticize Governor Perry by lumping him in with George W. Bush’s efforts to push No Child Left Behind, despite Perry’s resistance to embrace it. Then he turns around and says now we will somehow suffer because Perry’s national policy prefers to leave education to the states (heaven forbid).

Now before I go too far, my purpose of responding to Mr. Finn is not to defend or promote the Governor as much as it is to point out the absurdity of what Mr. Finn purports to say on an objective basis and the curious placement of such a piece in National Review given the leftist connections of the Fordham Foundation, which tries assiduously to portray itself as center-right despite those connections.

Quite understandably, Texas’ opposition under Governor Perry to the creation of a one-size fits all national education system is problematic to special interest groups such as Mr. Finn’s Fordham Foundation, which has received funding to promote national standards and has taken (largely inaccurate) shots at Texas’ education system before.

The Fordham Foundation receives large contributions from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation – including $959,000 to review the so-called “Common Core,” an effort in which Texas has refused to participate, drawing criticism from the likes of Mr. Finn. But that refusal – before the standards were released – was validated upon a review of the final product. Please ask parents in my home state of Georgia how the “blended math” envisioned by the common core worked for them. Additionally I would point out that the common core math course called “Modeling” has one discernable standard. It reads as follows:

In descriptive modeling, a model simply describes the phenomena or summarizes them in a compact form. Graphs of observations are a familiar descriptive model—for example, graphs of global temperature and atmospheric CO2 over time.

This may be a fine exercise for a student (or not) but one has to wonder whether the political message behind this standard purports to turn a math class into a forum for discussion of global warming. Perhaps they should rename the course as “Al-Gore-ithems.”

Finn also half-heartedly defends but then laments the national implication of Texas’ refusal to take up to $700 million in “Race to the Top” funding. Finn apparently believes because Texas is unique, it can handle its education (sort of, subject to his own views about national standards), but that some states are too lame to handle it on their own, saying:

How about gravely ill jurisdictions like Ohio and Michigan where Uncle Sam might help reformers duke it out with entrenched unions? Or seriously poor places like Mississippi and Alabama, which may need some outside bucks to leverage change? Or educationally inert states like Nebraska and South Dakota that may just need a kick in the pants?

But, this is the way of those who accept a Washington-knows-best school of thought, so to speak. I happen to believe Governor Perry was correct when he said that “we would be foolish and irresponsible to place our children’s future in the hands of unelected bureaucrats and special interest groups thousands of miles away in Washington.”

In fact, under Governor Perry, Texas has taken on significant challenges, including the dropout rate. Even in the face of the massive impact of illegal immigration on the schools, the dropout rate in Texas has dropped dramatically in Texas over the past ten years. Texas also has embraced innovations such as incentive pay for teachers, charter school reform, enhancement of state and local data systems and the turn-around of low-performing schools. And, interestingly, Texas embraced these concepts as a state long before the carrot of Race to the Top was dangled before them and prior to the so-called stimulus. Most importantly however, Texas undertook these initiatives in a way that allowed local school districts to innovate with these models to suit the needs of their children and communities.

No doubt some statistics will show Texas could be doing better and some would show Texas doing well. But the larger point is that it is ridiculous to suggest that because the Governor favors an approach that respects the Constitution and leaves primary decisions regarding education at the state and local level, he somehow is taking Texas arrogance to Washington.

Would that we have that kind of arrogance in Washington instead of the Washington-knows-best kind.

Perry and other reformer governors should be applauded for working to increase their state standards. This competition between the states will lead to real reform and best practices and that will help children across the nation.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    The key barometer that must be employed assiduously when determining the credibility of upcoming political literature–regardless of the lede–is the comparison of Texas vs. America.

    Perry will be slammed for his secessionist rhetoric but, once that alleged-slur has been transformed into an educational-moment, the electorate will become encouraged to “feel” the federalism that the Founders/Framers had forcefully injected into the Constitution.

    Particularly if Rudy reciprocates endorsements, Perry will be crowned as the “Chris Christie with a sound gubernatorial record of achievement.” He will then promptly join Romney/Bachmann as a front-runner [noting the obvious flaws in the remainder of the field], with his capacity to appeal to each GOP constituency ultimately prevailing.

  • sowa1

    that is why the main stream media etc. are attacking him. The media picked our last Republican nominee and it won’t happen again. Anyone is better that Obama and his corrupt Gov’t. The Democrats started to destroy the economy the last two years of President Bush’s term and have not stopped. The people will never hear the truth about what is going on in Washington, so don’t listen to them. Vote the Dems out of the White House and Senate. Then we will recover.

  • bobguzzardi

    Many resonate with the message of Gov. Perry that Washington’s Insider Establishment Elite do not know best for the rest of us. I think this ‘outsider’ message resonates and is one of the reasons for Sarah Palin’s appeal. Gov. Perry (and Sarah Palin) stand against the drift of our country toward European Social Democratic Welfare Statism. Given the result of the Obama Administration’s failure on the economy, I think more and more will see the value of Gov. Perry’s message.

    “But, this is the way of those who accept a Washington-knows-best school of thought, so to speak. I happen to believe Governor Perry was correct when he said that ?we would be foolish and irresponsible to place our children?s future in the hands of unelected bureaucrats and special interest groups thousands of miles away in Washington.?

  • SirGladiator

    The education issue is much bigger than any one person or candidate. To me, I’m just tired of the far-left using their control of education to promote their far-left agenda, then we as Conservatives don’t attempt to do the same when we run things. Of course I agree with the principle that education should bea local issue not national and things like that, but the way things are run right now when we lose, they run things by teaching America’s young indoctrination in support of socialism, environmental extremism, sexual immorality, and America-is-bad revisionist history, to name just a few things. When we win, what do we get to teach? Maybe if we’re lucky, we get to teach a class on the Constitution. If we’re REALLY lucky. It’s just pathetic.

    I like what they did in Texas, I have no idea whether Rick Perry played a big role or no role at all, or anything in between, but they stood up, took control of education textbooks, and took out the far-left evil stuff and put in truthful, good, Pro-America stuff. That’s what I want to see done everywhere, including in Washington. What better way to get the liberals to agree to shut down the Department of Education than by totally taking it over, Texas-style, and using it to teach true Pro-America, pro-morality, pro-capitalism, pro-Freedom stuff, like they’re doing in Texas. Its time we stopped letting the far left spread their lies through the department of education, and never using that same department to spread the truth when we have the chance. Sure, shut it down, that’d be great, but shut it down after we’ve used it just like they did and they’re the ones begging US to shut it down. Thank you Texas for leading the way, and let’s spread what they did in Texas nationwide.

  • e_rowe

    while he’s a governor and his most likely next challenge will be winning the Republican presidential primaries.

    The biggest problem I have with that is trusting him. I don’t believe that once he got in the White House he would ever do anything to lessen his own power. He’s a slime ball who can go head-to-head with Romney in a contest of who can say whatever they need to say to make voters like them any day.

  • cpaguy

    Sometimes folks try too hard to make somebody look bad. When they do that, they only hurt their own cause.

    I think Perry would be a terrible President, but no need to make an argument against him based upon a flimsy educational premise.

    Do so based upon the facts.

    If they want to attack Perry do it based upon him:

    1. Raising Taxes

    2. Being Weak on Immigration (a johnny come lately given the political environment)

    3. Infringing on the Freedoms of Texans with Health mandates

    4. Getting Texas involved in huge construction boondoggles with foreign companies to bequest his cronies.

    5. Engaging in wide spread taking of land via emminent domain

  • astrojohn8

    Hmmm, I searched that old, amtiquated Constitution of ours to find where the Federal Government has anything to do with education—seems to be missing…

  • acat

    I assert that, in your world, the sky is a pleasing seafoam green colour, the power plants all run on unicorn flatus, and everyone has a full time job picking up the gold left behind by the leprechauns.

    Mew

  • gunslingr45

    Slime ball? Are you even a Conservative? You know what Ronnie said about badmouthing other Republicans. Leave that to the Liberals.

  • cpaguy

    What citations would you like? Everything I posted is 100% true, even though you wish it not to be (one should deal with reality, not fantasy land).

    I have posted plenty of citations about the numbered items in response to your direct posts.

    I agree with Erick on his post. If you are going to attack somebody, do it based on the facts.

    Don’t buy into a lamestream media based attack. I’d imagine that is just that type of attack that would come from the Obama camp…

    Texas has its problems, particularly in regards to education, but it has nothing to do with adhering (or not) to government mandates attached to education dollars.

  • robobbob

    Sure, Perry says some of the right things some of the time. Good, he turned down some filth lucre from the statists. But does that make him a standard bearer worthy of conservative votes? Where does he stand on the Texas Highway corridor? What about his turning a blind eye to illegal immigration. Am I allowed to mention “Bilderberg” on Red State? Are Perry and Romney just bookends whose purpose is to diffuse the conservative movement?

    America is on the brink and needs a real champion on conservative ideas. Not more dem-light progressiveness with rightist window dressing.

  • treasuregem

    Thank you cpaguy for clarifying Perry’s weak points. My son lives in TX and he says Perry is NOT well liked by his constituents. Being from NY, I’d heard wonderful statements of how he’s brought jobs to TX. After reading your list of Perry’s shortcomings, I can well agree he’s not as ‘good’ as purported. I especially don’t like his lax on immigration, mandated health-care AND eminent domain. Again, thank YOU for setting the record straight.

  • steveinfl

    Rick Perry is so far ahead of the field, it’s not even close. Look, when you are able to change the textbooks to accurately reflect the truth of our American history, then you get it. You know what is going on. You’re not debating whether global warming is real or not, You didn’t dabble in cap and trade and change your mind. You didn’t wreck a state economy by slapping a mandated health care debacle down the people’s throats. You obviously “get it” about the importance of becoming Israel’s ally again, instead of her enemy, as has been practiced by the Obama Regime.
    This is who we’ve been waiting for.

  • treasuregem

    Robobbob, please expand on your ‘hints’ of Bilderberg and Red State. Any info is appreciated.

  • izoneguy

    http://www.governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/15557/

    Gov. Rick Perry today, in separate addresses to the Texas Senate and House of Representatives, announced emergency items for the 82nd Legislative session, which include protecting private property rights/addressing eminent domain issues, and abolishing sanctuary cities in Texas. The governor also reiterated his commitment to balancing the state budget without raising taxes by prioritizing and cutting government spending.

    “Texans have sent us all a loud and clear message that they expect us to balance our budget without taking more money from employers and working families,” Gov. Perry said. “As we tackle pressing issues, such as strengthening private property rights and abolishing sanctuary cities, Texans also want state government to be leaner and more efficient, and I’m confident Texas leaders will heed that message.”

    Including eminent domain issues and the ban of sanctuary cities on the list of emergency items allows lawmakers to begin considering these issues during the initial 30 days of the legislative session.

    Balancing the budget while strengthening Texas’ job-friendly climate – based on low taxes, predictable regulations, a fair legal system and world-class workforce – is a top priority for the governor and vital to the future of the state. In order to ensure state agencies continue to use taxpayer dollars prudently, the governor, lieutenant governor and House speaker have already directed state agencies to identify savings of 5 percent in the 2010-2011 biennium, an additional 2.5 percent for the 2011 fiscal year, and 10 percent for the 2012-2013 biennium.

  • izoneguy

    CPAGUY has an agenda. He is welcome to state his opinion.
    Please do your own research and don’t believe everything you read.

  • acat

    And it’s one that pretty much destroys another 2 of your anti-Perry points.

    I dunno, maybe Perry knew he was running when he put these on the agenda for the legislature to deal with…. just to make himself look good.

    Could be, though, that these are his true colours.

    Mew

    p.s. yeah, I know izoneguy has his own agenda – he’s pro-Perry – but I’ll note that by sticking to facts and by posting links to back ‘em up, he’s doing a much better job of showing Perry to be a decent candidate.

  • izoneguy

    http://www.freestonecountytimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=451:eminent-domain-bill-becomes-law&catid=52:community

    Landowners chalked up a big win recently at the Texas Capitol as Gov. Rick Perry ceremonially signed SB 18, the eminent domain bill, into law. Gov. Perry was joined by Joe Parker Jr., president of the Texas and Southwestern Cattle Raisers Association (TSCRA) and Dave Scott, immediate past president of TSCRA.

    Eminent domain reform has been a top priority of TSCRA for the past 3 legislative sessions.

    “Today is a proud day for Texas landowners,” said Parker. “After years of hard work, Texas has new eminent domain law that will protect the private property rights of Texans; something TSCRA has been working toward for a very long time.

    “TSCRA would like to thank the Texas Legislature, Gov. Perry, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, Speaker Joe Straus, and all who worked hard to ensure this bill become law,” said Parker.

    SB 18 reforms the eminent domain laws in Texas by requiring the following:

    * A public and record vote to initiate eminent domain proceedings.

    * Private property can be condemned only for public use, not private use.

    * All entities with eminent domain authority must register with the Comptroller by December 2012.

    * Condemning entities must make a bona fide offer in writing and if not, pay the landowner?s expenses and attorney fees.

    * Landowners will be compensated for damages from a loss of direct access to their property. Landowners will receive relocation assistance when forced to move off of their property.

    * Under certain conditions, landowners will have the right to repurchase their condemned land at the original price if it is not used for the public use it was condemned for within 10 years.

  • texan4america

    absolutely right. The Constitution does not address the education system; therefore it is left to State’s rights. States need to start enforcing their rights according to the Constitution. The central gov’t has “taken over” numerous matters that should be left to the States. About time States started standing their ground and demanding their rights.

  • texan4america

    could be absolutely right. I will hold my opinion until a little later in the debate.

  • izoneguy

    (And this is from left-leaning Politifact)

    Perry campaign says in blog that Trans-Texas Corridor is dead

    http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/jan/18/rick-perry/perry-campaign-says-blog-trans-texas-corridor-dead/

    However, two years earlier, in 2007, the Legislature dealt a major blow to one of the main tenets of the TTC ? for the state to issue long-term leases to private companies to build and operate toll roads ? by placing a moratorium on new public-private toll road partnerships, with several exceptions. That moratorium in effect became permanent last year when the Legislature failed to extend the authority for such leases beyond Sept. 1, 2009.

    The roads in the corridor plan technically could be built without public-private partnerships, but the state doesn?t have the money to do so. In any case, rural opposition to building any sort of twin roads to interstates was at the heart of the plan?s collapse.

    The I-69 initiative was one of the exceptions to the moratorium, but only a section of the approximately 600-mile road, the piece south of Refugio, can be a public-private partnership. And Chris Lippincott, a TxDOT spokesman, said that the decisions about exactly where the road will go and whether it will be tolled have not yet been made. The Texas Transportation Commission ordered that the road be laid down over existing highways, with free frontage roads alongside, except in areas where there is not an existing highway. This is much different from the original Perry concept of entire new road, rail and utility corridors.

    Texas still has a long-term transportation plan, but it?s not the TTC. In a January 2009 statement describing the changes being made to TTC, Amadeo Saenz, executive director of TxDOT, said that the new plan would be called Innovative Connectivity in Texas/Vision 2009 and that any projects that had existed under TTC, such as an I-35 twin, would be developed individually, if they happened at all.

    Summing up: We found that some language in the state Transportation Code and the much-altered highway I-69 project survive from Perry?s original TTC vision. But its centerpiece paralleling I-35 is truly dead, and beyond that, the corridor plan retains only a faint statutory pulse. We rate Perry?s statement as Mostly True.

  • izoneguy

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7585876.html

    AUSTIN ? Texas lawmakers approved a $172.3 billion, two-year budget on Saturday that cuts billions from education and human services and uses accounting maneuvers to cover a budget shortfall.

    The measure, which goes to Gov. Rick Perry, would cut $15.2 billion, or 8.1 percent, from current state and federal spending combined. It avoids new state taxes and leaves billions untouched in the state’s rainy day fund.

    “This budget meets the essential needs of Texas state government and the citizens we serve,” said Senate Finance Committee Chairman Steve Ogden, R-Bryan, who abandoned an effort to spend more from the rainy day fund after meeting resistance. “We have made significant funding reductions … not because we wanted to, but because the economy and the voting public demanded it.”

    Read the whole article – democrats are beside themselves. They think the world is ending because taxes are not being raised. Cut, cut, cut…..
    Rick Perry is setting an example for what the Federal Gocernment should do.

    Senate Finance Committee Chairman Steve Ogden, R-Bryan – “We have made significant funding reductions … not because we wanted to, but because the economy and the voting public demanded it.”

  • carolynr

    Excellent post. I could not agree more. This is the message that needs to get out.

  • carolynr

    This is a perfect combination. Has anyone really listened to Col. West. This guy is off the charts…good. He knows the military and yet is not a “hawk”. This would compliment Perry as far as foreign affairs. If not…I say Bachmann or Rubio.

    We need someone that will stand up to Obama … not like the Republicans in the Senate.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Sparky, that Alex Jones junk will seriously [expletive deleted] up your head.

    Blam.

  • oldbird77

    Should be one of the easiest targets for elimination in the government. Exactly what value do they provide? Let the counties and states run their own schools. The Feds should get out of it. If there is a program or two that is determined to have value, move it to Commerce…You could probably do the same with the Dept of Energy, move the good parts to Commerce and eliminate the rest.

  • acat

    Libs working in D.C. office buildings request reports from Libs working in school districts.

    The districts can’t produce these reports without adding staff, so the Libs in D.C. demand more money and send it to the districts, who use it to pay the salaries of the Libs producing reports.

    Sounds like a great opportunity to save money to me …

    Mew

  • acat

    … I have made a tactical retreat from supporting him.

    Mew

  • izoneguy

    Bobby Jindal on Obama Care

    http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2009/07/bobby-jindal-on-obama-care.html

    Jindal: Take Your Obamacare Exchanges And Stick ?Em Where The Sun Don?t Shine

    http://thehayride.com/2011/03/jindal-take-your-obamacare-exchanges-and-stick-em-where-the-sun-dont-shine/

    Meet The Press Bobby Jindal Rejecting Stimulus Money

    Governor Jindal Discusses Oil Spill Response

  • johnt

    Let’s poke fun at education in hayseed yokel states, & follow the lead of Washington D C , NYS & NJ.
    I might urge caution on just how much we attack our potential candidates. Right about now Warren Harding is looking good.

  • acat

    Perry/Bachmann or Perry/Pawlenty would play nicely in the upper midwest, and that’s going to be a battleground again… Bonus, Bachmann and Pawlenty are young enough that they could consider runs under their own banner in 2016 or 2020. (okay, more of a bonus for Bachmannn…)

    Perry/Cain would work very well in the Southeast, where Herman’s radio show provides a built-in fan base.

    I could also see Perry/Barbour or Perry/Daniels, if Perry thinks he needs some additional outreach to the inside-the-beltway bunch….

    I do like Perry/Jindal, though. I’ve been impressed with Jindal all along, just waiting for him to make a move on the national scene…. The only concern is that Texas and Louisiana are both quite southern .. and regional tickets don’t tend to do well.

    Perry is not my current favorite .. but his combination of experience as governor of Texas and his rep as a dynamic public speaker would make him a very formidable primary and general election candidate … if he gets in.

    (this is, by the way, the reason I think some of the recent new posters have nothing but anti-Perry drivel to say .. their only hope is to peel off support for a Perry candidacy early among conservatives … before it’s too late to stop him)

    Mew

  • acat
  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • izoneguy
  • funwithknives

    Either you’re off your MEDS and need a double dose ,or you are a Ringer and just really like to throw the bull around. Or there’s a Third option , and I just didn’t get around to it. The biggest problem any of us have with politicians is trusting them. You listen to all the debates and then choose, Knowing you MUST stay engaged ,and let your choice know you are still (and Always) in the game . After G W B got elected , many figured it was Conservative SLEEPY-TIME and did just that. Where did THAT get America,and Advancement of Liberty? We have the result (BHO) in our face ,continually, to remind us of Our Failure, Clearly illustrating my point: We collectively must Never again disengage from the Process. In this age of instant ,effortless communication, to not do so can be considered a dereliction of your Civic Responsibility. So C’mon E R, Who’s YUR DADDY? One thing’s for sure: Your stated choice will not be reduced to simplistic thoughts anywhere around These Parts.

  • leehazel

    Now that the LameStream media has made our primary choice for some of us (shades of 2008) we can get on with the real campaign. The one that features real people with real ideas. I am referring of course to the GOP/Tea Party candidates such as Palin, Perry, Bachmann et al.

    As a footnote, I can not believe that Romney is an acolyte believing in the Global Warming Agenda. This pseudo religion as being implemented by the EPA is catastrophically destructive to struggling economies on a world wide basis.

    The whole underlying concept of the influence of CO2 as a “heat energy storehouse” is fundamentally flawed and based on our knowledge of the laws of Physics it can’t work the way the pointy hat and wand crowd seem to think it will.

    Forget Romney, he’s toast!

  • chihank

    Last week, a Fox News poll had Romney leading with 23%, Rudy 13%, and Palin 12%.

    If Palin and Rudy endorse Perry, then Perry would be an instant 1st tier contender.

    Plus Haley Barbour might throw his organizational support to Rick Perry.

  • runner12

    emthusiasm. I have impressed with Jindal and his record in Lousiana. He is about as solid as a conservative as you can get and sincerely appears more interested in being a good governor in Loiusiana than ambitious for power.

    As for Perry, this attack on him for his stance on education makes me like him all of the more. He is 100% correct that the Feds should have as little to do as possible with our educational system. I for one would be thrilled to see The Dept. of Education be abolished or drastically reduced.

    May I also add that as a near neighbor of Texas, my state loses untold amounts of teachers to Texas. Why? Because of the quality of their education system.

  • runner12
  • izoneguy

    She tried for years to get a full time teaching job.
    She is almost 50 now and the district prefers to hire them young
    and brake them in. She went to a hiring fair last year and there were
    40 applicants for every job available. The bad you hear about Texas schools
    is pure left wing spin. The schools here are not perfect – but what is?

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister
  • acat

    And it was during a cold spell .. only 90 degrees out at noon.

    Mew

  • fsm47

    Sounds good to me Dr. Sklaroff. Let us hope your prognosis is correct.

  • fsm47

    A back door way to get rid of the DOE. I like it. The liberals are too blind to understand that the Government they want to install can also be used against them.

  • izoneguy

    Secret to living in Plano in the summer?

    Have a pool.

    I love hot weather. If it gets below 80 I put a jacket on.

  • YnotNOW
  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    in the summer there was at 3:00am.

  • rightwingmom52

    Grand Cayman. It was hotter the time I visited Plano.

    High today was 96 in Birmingham, but felt like 98 with the humidity.

  • cpaguy

    And I mentioned in my post that Perry has used the last10 years or so to do very little about the border.

    He has put politics above the need of Texans.

    He is only doing something now (and probably about the past 18 months or so too) because he fears the Tea Party more than the Hispanic Caucus.

    As always, Perry puts his finger in the wind (and a lobbyist buddy in his back pocket).

  • cpaguy

    And I mentioned in my post that Perry has used the last10 years or so to do very little about the border.

    He has put politics above the need of Texans.

    He is only doing something now (and probably about the past 18 months or so too) because he fears the Tea Party more than the Hispanic Caucus.

    As always, Perry puts his finger in the wind (and a lobbyist buddy in his back pocket).

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    At least that’s what you comment history shows. And I haven’t seen any diaries. Such one-track behavior will not lead to a long life at RedState, based on what I’ve seen of others over the years who have followed that path.

    I at least (and I suspect others here as well) would certainly hope to hear of your views on other issues and how we can advance conservatism. You do have an ability to lay out your points coherently (putting aside disputes over providing links) and it would be good to see that talent applied to other matters of import to our nation.

  • gekster

    any kind of backup to what you said above.

    1. Raising Taxes

    2. Being Weak on Immigration (a johnny come lately given the political environment)

    3. Infringing on the Freedoms of Texans with Health mandates

    4. Getting Texas involved in huge construction boondoggles with foreign companies to bequest his cronies.

    5. Engaging in wide spread taking of land via emminent domain

    3 out of 5 would not be bad.

  • Toby Calvert-Lee

    He can’t give any backup because Perry has a great record. He’s one of the most pro-growth, anti-big-gvernment Conservative governors with a proven record of success out there. That’s why he should be our next President.

  • Toby Calvert-Lee

    Perry is a Conservative with a proven record, and even when some of his ideas were co-opted by leftists (Trans-texas corridor), he stood up against them, and tried to fix the eminent domain speech in the bill. I believe @izoneguy has a link below that proves that. Perry, the truth is, is a Conservative who would make a great President.

  • powertothepeople

    so not sure where you get he is not liked in the state. Does your son live in Austin, it would explain his comment.

  • Toby Calvert-Lee

    http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/06/15/rick-perry-is-not-the-second-coming-of-bush/?singlepage=true

    and watch these

    http://nation.foxnews.com/your-world-neil-cavuto/2011/06/14/perry-rips-prostitution-constitution

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYpJ65T3NmY

    This guy’s the real deal.

  • Toby Calvert-Lee

    I’ve been trying to make that point for a while

  • izoneguy

    Look at what happens to Arizona. They try to enforce border security and get sued.

    They are many more Texans living on the border of Mexico than in Arizona.

    Perry has called in more Texas troopers. Obama has left the borders states to fend for themselves. The problem has increased to an almost unmanagable state since Obama was elected.

  • cpaguy

    I mean…I am living through the Perry era…but there is plenty you can find on the net. (I mean…I do have a job, unlike some here [acat...maybe?] who have joined the Perry campaign)

    1. Perry Raised taxes:

    http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/nov/01/rick-perry/gov-rick-perry-says-he-has-track-record-not-raisin/

    2. Weak on Immigration (and what he has done…even yesterday are non-events):

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/casey/7589518.html

    http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/rep_bios.php?rep_id=56615334&category=views&id=20100510135128

    3. Taking Away Freedom from Texans:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/06/04/rick_perrys_gardasil_problem_110089-2.html

    http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/feb/06/rick-perry/perry-says-hpv-vaccine-he-mandated-would-have-been/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ1fkE_cFMQ&feature=player_embedded

    4. Cronyism & Boondoggles:

    http://www.backtobasicspac.org/

    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/state-politics/20100725-murky-land-deals-mark-gov.-rick-perry_s-past.ece

    5. Eminent Domain:

    http://www.handsoffourland.com/getthefacts/

    Articles explaining the Misconceptions about Perry:

    http://www.timesleader.com/opinion/Gov__Perry_rsquo_s_image_far_cry_from_reality_Richard_L__Connor_Opinion_06-12-2011.html

    http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/6984-rick-perrys-texas-record

    General:

    http://spectator.org/blog/2011/06/10/rick-perry-running#

    I know…a lot of links…but you did ask…

  • gekster

    I will read and learn.

  • acat

    have written no diaries. It’s not exactly a fair metric, although in my case there’s a mitigating circumstance – my account is broken and I’m told a fix will happen at .. some point in the future.

    Mew

  • Toby Calvert-Lee

    Those are two solid Conservatives, and it would give us play in the rust belt, which we need electorally, and Perry brings strong support from Hispanics while still being strong on the Immigration issue. Best electoral Conservative strategy

  • Toby Calvert-Lee

    The education issue ought to be left solely to the states, as a “once-size-fits-all” plan NEVER works

  • Toby Calvert-Lee

    candidates I MAY consider of this field. My favorite is Perry, followed by Bachmann, and finally Palin. I think Palin would serve us all better if she went to the senate, built up Conservative bona fides, and ran in 2020 after media hatred of her will have died down a bit.

  • cpaguy

    Well, I have read this site for awhile…and been interested in the election season enough to register.

    I am obviously not a fan of Rick Perry (my group is Cain, Pawlenty and Santorum), As a conservative Texan, I think it is my duty to put Perry’s record out there so people don’t confuse the success of Texas with the stewardship of Perry. Sure, he is better than Romney, but not by much. I think this is a time for real leadership…not another guy who puts his finger to the wind.

    Aren’t the diaries things that nobody reads? I’ve thought about, but not worth the effort…at the moment (probably be about Perry anyway…lol),

    Also, if I keep attacking Perry in Perry threads, will I be banned or something? No other threads seem particularly interesting…all boilerplate stuff…

  • izoneguy

    CPAGUY – I posted links and facts to refute many of your old assertions

    Don’t link back to liberal swill from 2002 – most of what you posted has a liberal bias written all over it.

    Here are some more links for ya cha, cha…..

    Run, Rick, run!
    http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/62317

    2011 Budget Shortfall
    http://www.texastribune.org/texas-taxes/2011-budget-shortfall/about/

    Audio: Perry’s Speech at the Manhattan GOP Event
    http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/texas-political-news/audio-perrys-speech-at-the-manhattan-gop-event/

    Video: Perino, Trippi Size Up Perry Candidacy
    http://www.texastribune.org/texas-people/rick-perry/video-perino-trippi-size-perry-candidacy/

    In a “Power Play Live” webcast posted on Fox News’ website today, host Chris Stirewalt discusses the GOP’s fast-growing fascination with Perry’s potential presidential candidacy with President George W. Bush’s former press secretary, Dana Perino, and Democratic strategist Joe Trippi. “The only person I see in the mix who could seriously challenge (Mitt Romney) looks like Rick Perry,” Stirewalt declared, in light of a new WSJ/NBC poll showing Perry ranks fourth without even declaring whether he’s running. He said Perry could only clinch the nominiation if he can rally the conservative right (i.e. Rep. Michele Bachmann’s supporters) to his side.

    Would a Rick Perry Campaign Ruin Romney?s Chances?
    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/06/would_a_rick_perry_campaign_ru.html

    The L.A. Times points out that “Perry’s state has created more new American jobs in the last four years alone than all the other 49 states combined,” a soundbite-ready stat. He also didn’t back a universal health-care bill and isn’t a Mormon ? which might be even bigger selling points in the GOP primaries. If Perry opts in, skipping Iowa might be a move that Romney will live to regret.

    Rick Perry?s Tenth Commandment
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/265309/rick-perry-s-tenth-commandment-kevin-d-williamson?page=1

    http://twitter.com/#!/governorperry

  • izoneguy

    Schools are boring. The teachers are boring. My kids learn more after school then they do sitting in a rigid classrooms all day. Throwing more money at teachers and building more schools is not the answer. The education system in America is fundamentally flawed. I don’t have all the answers but maybe the basics are all wrong. Why do we still print textbooks with out of date information? Less emphasis needs to be placed on testing and more on real world experiences. Most schools have become day care centers so parents can go and make a living. I would love to see the corporate world more involved in education. Washington D.C. cram downs are failing. Time to take the education decisons out of the hands of politicians.

  • cpaguy

    I look at Perry’s history. Like many should have done with Obama, we should look at a person’s history, not wha they say in the months leading to an election.

    Also, I did not cite one thing from 2002.

    I assume you are not a paid cheerleader for Perry…so please look at the guy’s record.

    If you are fine with it, then more power to you. However, if you want somebody with more conservative bona fides…you might be wise to look elsewhere…..lest you look dumbfounded like all the Obama fans are now….thought they were getting what Obama told them they were getting, rather than what his record indicated.

  • cpaguy

    I look at Perry’s history. Like many should have done with Obama, we should look at a person’s history, not wha they say in the months leading to an election.

    Also, I did not cite one thing from 2002.

    I assume you are not a paid cheerleader for Perry…so please look at the guy’s record.

    If you are fine with it, then more power to you. However, if you want somebody with more conservative bona fides…you might be wise to look elsewhere…..lest you look dumbfounded like all the Obama fans are now….thought they were getting what Obama told them they were getting, rather than what his record indicated.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    You’re assuming anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant.

    Therefore arguing with you is a waste of time and people should just ignore you.

  • cpaguy

    Why would you make that assumption?

    You could easily enhance the debate a little…rather than make attacks with no basis.

    However, the facts are on my side in regards to Perry. There is nothing wrong with setting the record straight…when it comes to somebody’s record.

    I assume that if Perry were to run for President, he would be doing so based upon his performance as Texas governor.

    As such, I think it is fair game to review his entire record, not just his rhetoric during the campaign season.

  • izoneguy

    But I do this for free. I assume you are getting paid by Obama or Romney or both?

    Politics is a dirty business and Obama and his cronies are going to throw everything at the Republican nominee. Rick Perry – warts and all is the only one I see that can defeat Obama. Period.

  • izoneguy

    The Sordid Details of the Trans Texas Corridor Scandal
    In early 2002, without warning the Texas Legislature or getting permission from the citizens of Texas, Rick Perry unveiled what he called the Trans-Texas Corridor

    i The centerpiece of the plan, TTC-35, has been truly declared dead, as explained in this Jan. 18, 2010 Politifact Texas piece. (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/jan/18/rick-perry/perry-campaign-says-blog-trans-texas-corridor-dead/) But segments outlined in the original conceptual plan continue to be built, such as I-69 and SH 130.

    CPAGUY – are you suggesting with this website that Texas stop building roads? The feds are broke – the democrats cannot keep borrowing money and then reward their union buddies with millions in construction contracts. How do you propose that roads get built in the fastest growing State in America?
    Maybe with Cow Farts & Unicorns?

    The Back to Basics PAC, which has been running a series of despicable ads against Gov Rick Perry, is bankrolled by a liberal trial lawyer in Houston. Listen to this audio to find out about him and his agenda.

    Interview with Democratic Donor Steve Mostyn

    Already the state’s single largest Democratic donor this campaign cycle, Houston attorney Steve Mostyn has pledged to give Texas Democrats and their causes at least $3 million this year, and says he has no intention of stopping. The man behind the new Back to Basics PAC and those “coward” ads sits down with the Tribune to explain why he feels the need to give, the influence of money in Texas politics, how ‘trial lawyer’ became a bad word, and what he really thinks of the Democrats chances this fall.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • izoneguy

    Texas House passes ?loser pays? tort reform

    http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/05/08/texas-house-passes-loser-pays-tort-reform/

    Over the past couple of years, trial lawyer Steve Mostyn has reaped millions from lawsuits in the aftermath of hurricanes (and mold lawsuits prior to that), lawsuits that all but emptied the state?s windstorm insurance fund. Mostyn has used some of those millions to set himself up as a Texas version of George Soros, funding a ?shadow party? on behalf of far left Democrats all over the state. His latest ad campaign defended the status quo, in which there is no early opt out for frivolous lawsuits in Texas, and which allows trial lawyers to sue on contingency knowing that the worst that can happen to them is they won?t collect; meanwhile, those they sue will be out expenses for defending themselves. That environment encourages frivolous lawsuits, and has made lawyers like Mostyn and fellow Democrat Jim Dunnam very wealthy men. And, it has made insurance more and more expensive for everyday Texans.

    Well, the GOP controlled Texas House handed Mostyn and the trial lawyers a major defeat on Saturday. They moved forward on HB 274, which would create a ?loser pays? tort system similar to the one already prevalent in Britain. The purpose is to choke off frivolous lawsuits by making contingency fee trial lawyers themselves subject to expense recovery if they lose a case, improving the legal and employment climate in the state according to Gov. Rick Perry. Given the importance of trial lawyers to the Texas Democratic Party, the House session was every bit as contentious as might be expected……

    ?Loser Pays,? Texas Small Business Wins

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/268436/loser-pays-texas-small-business-wins-stephen-demaura

    No wonder the nation?s CEOs list Texas as the best state for business.

    The success of ?loser pays? is destined to be viewed as a key victory for the Republican legislature over a group that once enjoyed almost limitless influence in the state: the Texas Trial Lawyers Association, which lobbied aggressively against the law. Prior to the reforms instituted in 2003 and 2005, Texas was an ambulance chaser?s paradise. Nowadays, even the $13 million the trial lawyers spent to defeat Perry and other pro-tort-reform Republicans in the 2010 election had little impact. In a stunning rebuke, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst stared down the trial lawyer lobby and shepherded the measure through to a 31?0 vote in the Senate.

    Perry is blazing an important trail for other governors such as South Carolina?s Nikki Haley, Pennsylvania?s Tom Corbett, Florida?s Rick Scott, Oklahoma?s Mary Fallin, and Alabama?s Robert Bentley, all of who ran and won while proposing similar legal-reform ideas.

    Why are these types of reforms so important?

    The cost of tort litigation is strangling the U.S. and small businesses in particular. According to Marie Gryphon of the Manhattan Institute, the cost of tort litigation topped $247 billion in 2006. The National Federation of Independent Business estimates that tort litigation costs small businesses over $105 billion annually, $35 billion of which comes out of their pockets, not insurance.

  • izoneguy

    http://www.backtobasicspac.org/ is Steve Mostyn
    and Steve Mostyn is backtobasicspac.

    http://www.mostynlaw.com/bio/steve.asp

    WHO IS STEVE MOSTYN? WHY IS HE TRYING TO KEEP THE $189 MILLION TWIA SETTLEMENT SECRET?

    http://www.thetruthaboutstevemostyn.com/

    Steve Mostyn is personal injury trial lawyer who makes millions suing businesses and employers. Although he went to court to keep it secret, Mostyn and other personal injury lawyers reportedly made tens of millions of dollars in legal fees from the recent Texas Windstorm Insurance Association (TWIA) settlements involving the Hurricane Ike claims.

    Many State Legislators believe homeowners and taxpayers have a right to know how much lawyers made in the TWIA-IKE settlements and how much of the settlements went to the people whose homes were damaged.

    There?s More You Should Know About Steve Mostyn:
    Mostyn has contributed millions of dollars to run negative advertising in Texas political campaigns against candidates who oppose lawsuit abuse. He is the president of the Texas Trial Lawyers Association (TTLA) and lobbies for legislation that will overturn lawsuit reforms and increase opportunities to sue.

    Texans for Lawsuit Reform is the state?s largest civil justice reform organization. TLR is a bipartisan, volunteer-led coalition with more than 17,000 supporters residing in 869 Texas communities and representing 1,266 different businesses, professions and trades. For more information about TLR visit http://www.tortreform.com/.

    http://www.thetruthaboutstevemostyn.com/files/contributions.pdf

    So either CPAGUY is Steve Mostyn or CPAGUY works for Steve Mostyn.

    What is it?

  • gpclaw

    Not only does this prevent frivolous law suits against corporations, but ‘loser pays’ also protects the little guy. When a normal citizen brings a legitimate law suit against a well financed corporation, they can do so knowing that they don’t risk losing just because of a monetary disadvantage preventing them from seeing the case through to the end.

  • gpclaw

    Neither one of them will even be accused of being lost for words!

    All kidding aside, putting Jindal on the ticket creates a great opportunity to once again hammer team Obama over the head, on the issue of the gulf drilling ban. Jindal is uniquely qualified to speak on this issue, and we know he’s not afraid to go after it.

    Also, going forward, our relationship with India will become more important. India looks to be our most natural ally in the region. Having a VP who can identify with the culture has some upside to it.

  • cpaguy

    Perry has a lot of enemies from conservatives to liberals. They aren’t all lying. Especially when both camps are hammering on the same issues.

    You can cheerlead for Perry till your face is blue. It won’t change the facts of Perry’s troubling record.

  • gekster

    with the same enthusiasim that you are cheerleading against him.
    Instead of spending so much energy tearing down Perry, why don’t you put that effort into building up who you DO like.
    That would be time well spent.

  • izoneguy

    His treasure trove of links is driven by a liberal trial lawyer who has a vendetta against Perry. Perry bodyslammed the trial lawyers with the new loser pays law.

    Follow the links:

    http://www.backtobasicspac.org/

    http://www.mostynlaw.com/bio/steve.asp

    http://www.thetruthaboutstevemostyn.com/

    http://www.thetruthaboutstevemostyn.com/files/contributions.pdf

    http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2011/02/texas-watchdog-to-democratic-megadonor-steve-mostyn/1297978639.column

    I will support Rick Perry over sleazy trial lawyers – ANY DAY

    Again, I ask is CPAGUY Steve Mostyn or is CPAGUY a cheerleader for Mostyn and trial lawyers?

  • gekster

    If we see where he is coming from, it takes away his arguement.
    I’m guessing his cpa part means cirtified public a…… er, accountant.
    Yaa. Accountant.
    (almost slipped there)

  • Toby Calvert-Lee

    I actually had a post about this a few months back. It’s not compassionate just to throw money at a failing system that is being run into the ground by D.C. pols who have managed to run everything they get power over into the ground. Turn it back to the states. Oh, and by the way, its nice to have another arden pro-perry supporter here

  • e_rowe

    Every point he made is a matter of public record. If you weren’t aware of these things, take a few minutes and do your own research.

    If anybody needs to cite sources it’s the people around here who mistake Perry for a conservative. He never has been anything close to one.

  • e_rowe

    I thought that was supposed to be Romney’s biggest flaw.

  • acat

    Nor do all of us have “a few minutes” to devote to researching every single candidate.

    Asking for cites is reasonable in cases where the facts matter… like picking a president or senator (or governor, etc. etc.) .. it’d be great to find out now if Perry really does have any skeletons.

    For example, you’ll want to cite why you think Perry isn’t a conservative. From my vantage point in Illinois, his record in Texas sure makes him look like one…

    Mew

  • e_rowe

    If that’s supposed to be a deal breaker for Romney, why give Perry a pass on it.

    I listened to him talk about how proud he was of that in a gubernatorial primary debate last year, saying how he did it because he’s so “pro-life.”

  • e_rowe

    http://blog.mysanantonio.com/texas-politics/2010/01/gov-perry-defends-hpv-order-as-pro-life/

  • e_rowe

    I guess my feeling is that the informality of a comment thread like this doesn’t lend itself to an expectation that people refrain from stating facts until they’ve hunted down a link to post.

  • gekster

    You should back that claim up.
    It’s the internet, and anyone can say anything.
    I recently asked a guy to back up his claim when he called
    Michele Bachman a backstabber. If true, I and others would want to know.
    I repeatedly asked for his source, but he couldn’t provide one.
    It was just a lame statement meant to rile.
    It’s the internet, and anyone can claim anything.
    But here, you’ve got to back it up.

  • acat

    Let me say it louder since you appear to be hearing-impaired.

    NOT ALL OF US LIVE IN TEXAS.

    If you’re going to bring up issues, bring up links to them.

    Mew

  • acat

    You’ll see that what’s happened is cpaguy and izoneguy have both made statements about Perry.

    cpaguy has been challenged to back them up, izoneguy has been backing his up with cites all along.

    Since they are both saying pretty much opposite things about the same guy – Perry – it’s important for both sides to back up what they’re asserting.

    In short, if an assertion is challenged, be prepared to bring the facts. Go read this lovely little article over at Ace of Spades to see one example of where not bringing the facts is important….

    http://minx.cc/?post=317657

    Mew

  • izoneguy

    You are comparing something that was not implemented to real laws on the books.

    Rick tried mandating that HPV shots be given to girls. There was an opt out.
    It was killed and Rick did not pursue it.

    You cannot Opt Out of RomneyCare or ObamaCare.

    The HHS is granting waivers for ObamaCare to favored parties.

    Romneycare is bankrupting Massachusetts ? Obamacare will bankrupt the country

    http://daytontribune.com/romneycare-is-bankrupting-massachusetts-?-obamacare-will-bankrupt-the-country/75912/

  • melissatx

    For the following reasons:
    1. TransTexas Corridor. Eminant domain for a superhighway Texans do not need, nor do they want. It is another land grab that is a total waste of time and money and is out and out theft of the peoples private property. Read up on it.

    2. Guardasil. I don’t care whether he pursued it or not, it should never have been mandated by him in the first place…the state of Texas does not have more say-so over my daughters body than I do.

    3. Toll roads in Texas, not just the TCC, we are really getting double dipped on these.

    4. Our border…..we need more than a sanctuary city bill, dadgummit we need our own Az immigration bill and protection on the border.

  • melissatx

    For the following reasons:
    1. TransTexas Corridor. Eminant domain for a superhighway Texans do not need, nor do they want. It is another land grab that is a total waste of time and money and is out and out theft of the peoples private property. Read up on it.

    2. Guardasil. I don’t care whether he pursued it or not, it should never have been mandated by him in the first place…the state of Texas does not have more say-so over my daughters body than I do.

    3. Toll roads in Texas, not just the TCC, we are really getting double dipped on these.

    4. Our border…..we need more than a sanctuary city bill, dadgummit we need our own Az immigration bill and protection on the border.

  • e_rowe

    You posted this at 2:20.

  • e_rowe

    Why did Perry support the HPV mandate?

    His own explanation is that it’s because he’s “pro-life.”

    So according to him, being pro-life entails support for positive law that requires girls to take this medicine that he, being the medical expert he is, thinks will somehow save their lives. It also requires that other tax payers pay for it. Even if girls can opt out (which means they’re required to take the medicine unless they first jump through some statist hoop to win back what is their natural right in the first place) the tax payers don’t get to opt out. It’s still tax payer funded health care.

    And what other things does being pro-life entail that he will support? Are we supposed to believe that the HPV vaccine is the only product in the world that he thinks being pro-life obligates him to support a mandate for? If so, that must be some magical medicine. Or does the same line of reasoning obligate him to support much broader mandates given the opportunity?

    Of, another explanation for his comment, and the one that I happen to think is most likely true, is that he was just saying whatever he had to say to put a conservative spin on his position. His support for that mandate had nothing to do with being pro-life and everything to do with corporate welfare for pharmaceutical companies.

    But then, this too gets back around to the question of what really drives Rick Perry and whether or not it’s something that we can trust to guide him to conservative positions when he’s in the White House and the special interests are pushing him in the opposite direction.

  • acat

    That’ll be very interesting to the Red State editorial board, who make being pro-life a litmus test for anointing front page diarists…

    Seriously, Perry made a mistake, but one that this cat is prepared to live with *if* he learned his lesson… that is, that this should have been handled by the public health system already in place and charged with handling this kind of vaccination.

    Perry appears to me to have learned his lesson here.

    Just so we’re clear, e_rowe, I don’t have some nieces and/or nephews due to HPV – One of my sisters who made some poor choices along the way couldn’t carry to term because of damage due to the virus so – for me – Perry’s pro-life argument is just fine.

    Mew

  • e_rowe

    Words mean things. “Pro-life” doesn’t mean supporting tax payer funded health care.

  • Bill S
  • e_rowe

    He was still proudly defending his executive order just last year in the gubernatorial primaries.

    My take on Perry is that he’s a pure opportunist, cut from the same cloth as Romney. Perry has the advantage of being from a relatively conservative state, where the results of his sticking his finger in the wind to see what position was advantageous for him on any given day happened to be better for conservatives than would have been the case had he been governor of MA. But that same shiftiness won’t work to our favor any more if he becomes POTUS. I would consider us lucky if he didn’t turn out even worse than G. W.

  • izoneguy

    Do you have daughters?

    Get ready for ObamaCare – talk about a statist nightmare.

  • acat

    Thought so, but wanted to be sure.

    Sorry, no sale here.

    I’ve already gone a few rounds on this issue with asthete and civil_truth, you can go look that up and see what I’ve already said.

    In short, I reject your argument. In summary, statism via public health has crept well past the point that this makes any difference at all, and the kids who will be most likely to not opt out are the ones who are most likely to need this vaccination anyway.

    I don’t see a problem here… other than the link between a vaccination for an STD and the socon “don’t talk about sex!” rule.

    Mew

  • izoneguy

    Give me Rick Perry over Obama and day of the week…..

    Being “independent” or “moderate” or being a true so-con in 2012 will be hazadous to your health.

  • izoneguy

    Rick Perry says Bush was guilty of ‘big government’ overspending

    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/dallas/headlines/20101108-Rick-Perry-says-Bush-was-guilty-2337.ece

    Perry, speaking with reporters over breakfast in Washington, cited two of Bush’s signature presidential achievements – the Medicare drug benefit for seniors and the No Child Left Behind education law – as classic examples of burdensome, unaffordable policy.
    “Those are both big government – but more importantly, they were Washington-centric,” Perry said. “One size does not fit all, unless you’re talking tube socks.”
    Perry’s book, Fed Up! Our Fight to Save America From Washington, argues that Washington spends too much and has grabbed too much power at the expense of states. In it, Perry rejects Bush’s idea of “compassionate conservatism” and criticizes the bailouts he initiated two years ago to stanch the economic crisis.
    While Bush gets high marks for “keeping us free and keeping us safe,” and history will judge him kindly, Perry said Monday, “it won’t be based on fiscal issues.”

  • izoneguy

    Melissatx – go back and look at all the comments I have posted about these issues.

    You are drinking the liberal Kool-Aid.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack
  • powertothepeople

    that using tax payer dollars for the vaccines may not have been a wise choice, but I have no issue with him mandating the HPV vaccines as a condition for school. None at all. We already mandate numerous vaccines that allow the mass gathering of children to remain as safe as possible, this is no different. We already know that kids have sex, we know they are too stupid or too immature to worry about protection religiously, and HPV is a dangerous condition that can kill as Acat alluded to. Making sure that soon to be sexually active teens are vaccinated against a killer disease that can and will be transmitted to the partner due to the host person not informing the other person or even not knowing they are infected makes a lot of sense.

    Regardless though, you are making a mountain out of a molehill regardless of whether your only complaint is the tax payer funding of the vaccines or the entire thing all together. It is just not that big of a deal one way or the other.

  • e_rowe

    I want to support someone who has clear principles and can be counted on to stick to them consistently.

    Rick Perry does not have that. Ron Paul does. You may think Perry is guaranteed to be so much better than Obama. But I don’t see any basis for that confidence.

  • e_rowe

    If he gets elected, the similarities won’t end there.

  • e_rowe
  • gekster

    Ron Paul. Ron Paul. Ron Paul.
    I knew there was something behind your disdain.

  • e_rowe

    I notice we don’t see anybody here pretending that Perry has any.

  • gekster

    If you agree with his principles, why not espouse them.
    What do you have to win.

  • izoneguy

    Yeah???

    Ron Paul is a nut.

    He has as much chance as getting the nomination as a snowball on a hot day in July in Texas.

    My brother is a Paul Bot. I think all the Ron Paul supporters should move to his district and build a compound.

  • Bill S
  • e_rowe

    I do hope to write a Ron Paul for President diary at some point. But you can probably understand why the kind of treatment Old Right conservatives have historically gotten here does not engender my putting that at the top of my to-do list.

    I also don’t really see anything wrong with criticizing politicians. It’s part of what they bargained for.

  • izoneguy

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/265309/rick-perry-s-tenth-commandment-kevin-d-williamson?page=1

  • e_rowe
  • izoneguy

    Ah, the good old days…..

    I would take Bush over Obama in a heartbeat.

  • Scope

    in the last Governors race against Perry. There is no love lost between Perry and the Bushes. Ron Paul made sure to get the dig in with Cavuto yesterday that “Perry is identified with the previous (Bush) administration and is very much the status quo.” There was no honesty to his statement, just a desire to incite those with BDS, which includes all of the liberals and most of Paul’s supporters. Funny thing, not that long ago Bush polled higher than Obama.

    If you think Paul is a man of such honor, character and integrity, please explain his associations with the KKK, the skinheads, the John Birch Society, and especially his very close friendship and association with Lew Rockwell, the anarchist.

  • gekster

    tribble mantra:
    I will tear down the other candidates while not even trying to promote my own.

    Answer me one question, and then I’ll leave it at that.
    Why does RP rail against government spending, but says nothing about the government money his state takes in.

    Answer and I’ll leave it at that.

  • acat

    And if I’m not, I’d like a word with whomever took me off of it.

    Mew

  • e_rowe

    He votes against it, every single time. As far as I know, there’s not a single exception.

    Even when it’s money to help his own district after a hurricane.
    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=weather/hurricane&id=6428478

  • gekster

    Then he diludes people like you into thnking he is against spending.
    That’s real principle right there.

  • Scope

    though it seems you fall into the authors category of Paul supporters who are so far gone, they can never be recovered-

    http://www.davidbahnsen.com/index.php/2011/05/21/the-undiscerning-and-dangerous-appreciation-of-ron-paul/

  • acat

    I’m certain this is a sign of the apocalypse. (grin)

    I regard the disdain of the Bushies and RonPaul! as marks in Perry’s favor.

    While Bush 2.0 was very good on pro-life issues, he was dreadful on immigration and fiscal issues….

    Ron Paul is an old coot who stays in office by playing power politics with his pet pork projects. They’re always attached to bills that are very likely to pass, and that he subsequently votes against. He’s gaming the system and knows it. Ron Paul is just as much of an embarrassment to Republicans and Libertarians as Murtha and Rostenkowski were to the Dems …

    Mew

  • acat

    Hoping the horn section will toot a correction here if Jeb is officially out….

    Mew

  • e_rowe

    Find a counterexample if you think you can.

  • acat

    (see also Charlie Sheen)

    Mew

  • gekster

    Hey girl, hope you are doing well. :)

  • powertothepeople

    and I will revisit my opinion on the vaccines.

  • gekster

    He sees the pork bill is going to pass anyway, so he votes no and then touts how conservative he is.
    Show me a vote where HE was the deciding vote AGAINST a pork bill.
    I’ll wait why you try.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    This is a post on Gov. Perry not Ron Paul. Write your own diary if you want to expound on the merits of your favored candidate, and others here can engage you there if they wish.

  • Bill S

    Why, certainly! :-)

  • e_rowe

    He can’t control whether or not his vote is the deciding one. He can only control how he votes. He always votes against unconstitutional spending, whether he knows it will pass or not. As far as I know, there are zero exceptions to this. And as far as I know, no other senator or representative (except some who are new this year) can say that about their records.

    Again, if you can find a counterexample, please show me.

  • Bill S

    since January 2009 is the same as where we were before Obama, you’re nuttier than Paul, and that’s saying something.

  • e_rowe

    I wasn’t the one who brought up Ron Paul. Until others did, I was keeping it about Perry, and they didn’t like that.

  • e_rowe

    To say otherwise is delusional.

  • acat

    Someone asked who you supported, whether you supported Ron Paul, and you said yes.

    At that point, the whole reason for your disdain for Perry became clear…. and ignorable.

    Mew

  • e_rowe

    No, I don’t fall into that category.

    I have no problem with various quibbles people may legitimately have with Ron Paul. But if you put all those things on one side of a scale, and put any one of a number of things that every other candidate has against them on the other side, Ron Paul’s flaws are minuscule in comparison.

    If you could show me another candidate who took a consistent stand against both the welfare state and the warfare state, I wouldn’t have any problem with your supporting them. But, with the possible exception of Gary Johnson, I don’t think there is one.

  • gekster

    Your words, “Rick Perry does not have that. Ron Paul does.”

  • e_rowe

    Unfortunately, I think a lot of his best stuff I can’t link because it’s not available for free. But here’s an interview he did at the time of the first Iraq war (provided this is the right link).
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO9Evf3hhZM

    I don’t know if his son agrees with this position. But if he does, then he really has no good reason to support anyone else over Ron Paul this year.

  • e_rowe

    So which is it?

    Am I only supposed to talk about Perry here (even though what I think of him is negative)?

    Or am I supposed to talk about Ron Paul (whom others, not I, brought into this conversation)?

  • Bill S

    Just the same.

    http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/

    Exactly the same.

    Delusional is right, and you meet all the qualifications.

  • e_rowe

    That was in reply to someone else. Ron Paul had already been brought up, and not by me.

  • Scope

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292334,00.html

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6286883.html

    “Rep. Ron Paul vehementally denounced the $410 billion catch-all spending bill approved last week by the House of Representatives.

    But although the libertarian-leaning Republican from Lake Jackson cast a vote against the massive spending measure, his finger prints were on some of the earmarks that helped inflate it’s cost.”

    Governor Perry’s record beats anything Ron Paul has ever accomplished. Governor Perry must really frighten the Paul supporters.

  • gekster

    But you are as loony as ron Paul.
    And you don’t even make for a good tribble.

  • e_rowe

    Is your point that Bush’s deficits were smaller? Is that supposed to be some consolation? We’re supposed to settle for a choice between two terrible things where the biggest difference you can point to is just a matter of the degree the do something?

    Also, where’s the chart comparing the effect each president had on the feds’ future obligations? That’s far more serious of a problem than the current deficits, and I think it would show that Bush was in a league pretty close to Obama in the amount he added to that.

    Frankly, Obamacare is nothing but the latest step in the same direction as any number of other steps that the government took going back 100 years. None of those things will be able to continue. One of two things will eventually happen: 1) the voters will wise up and elect people who will seriously roll back the government to a size that fits within the Constitution, or 2) the economy will eventually collapse under its weight. If we’re not going to strive to make option #1 happen, then I don’t see why it should matter whether the president has an R or a D after his name for option #2.

  • e_rowe

    I asked for an example where he didn’t vote against the spending. You gave me another example where he did vote against it.

    Also, the claim of that story is false. Earmarks do not inflate the cost of any budget. If you passed any budget with all the earmarks removed, it would be the exact same amount that it would be with the earmarks in it.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    Meanwhile, the Democrats are arming themselves with a whole forest of beams…

    Perspective, folks.

  • Scope

    you will see that he is very much against Ron Paul, because he feels that he is fraudulently trying to take over the freedom movement, hence the article Title “The Undiscerning and Dangerous Appreciation of Ron Paul.”

  • Scope

    on the embarrassment scale, Paul would surpass Anthony Weiner, even though I doubt you’ll find any old porn queens come out with porn Paul tweets. Yuckyyyyy.

  • acat

    using tax dollars to pay for health care.

    This is one of those sound bites that sounds really great … except that there’s no way it’s going to get passed, and even if it could, it’d be a disaster* of serious proportions. Taking away public funds without a thought to what would replace them is just irresponsible .. even if it sounds good.

    As for what you did, your only anti-Perry cite was Gardasil – and I’ve already posted my position on that – it’s in keeping with the existing statist public health system. I’d like to see it removed .. but not so fast that we cause people to die unnecessarily nor so fast that we hand an easy win to the Dems. We need some strategery up in here.

    Mew

    * by “disaster” I mean people by the thousands dying due to no access to health care, not the inevitable Dem-incited media-driven “public relations disaster” for the GOP …

  • Scope

    you still have any of that snow to send my way. LOL I’m already war weary with the 2012 election season, and they have not all declared yet.

  • Scope

    n/t

  • e_rowe

    I know he’s very much against Ron Paul. But I don’t know if he agrees with his late father on very much, especially on the Christian view of war. If he does, then he has no good reason not to support Ron Paul. The silly stuff he recites in that article is nothing compared to something like whether or not we get into a war with Iran, for example.

  • e_rowe

    He does have associations with the John Birch Society and Lew Rockwell. Big deal.

  • acat

    Unfortunately, their kind are commonplace. Skeevy creeps.

    Ron Paul is right up there with Bart Stupak, Jack Murtha, Dan Rostenkowski, a rightful heir of Boss Tweed and Tammany Hall.

    Paul’s corruption may be of a different stripe, but it’s the same where it counts – make the deal, get the pork to the district, fool the voters…. I’m reminded of the song “The Sidestep” from a certain 1978 musical (and 1982 movie) set in Texas…

    Mew

  • acat
  • e_rowe

    I care about basic issues of right and wrong, not political parties and cliques like whatever Bahnsen thinks the freedom movement is.

  • gekster

    (sorry for late reply, had to get dinner ready).

    lets throw 1/3 duplicates 1/3 not related.
    that leaves 6,0667 articles on Ron Paul pork.

    from:
    http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/07/ron-pauls-personal-pork-projects.html

    excerpt:
    Paul also argued that these special earmarks, used by Congressman to increase their own popularity at home, don?t add anything to the budget. The funding is already in the budget he says and the budget is not increased to compensate for them. But spending $400 million on pork, as Paul requested, still means the $400 million is spent. And, under the current budget, if it is spent, it contributes to the deficit that will, no doubt, mean higher future taxes. While agencies try to spend their full budget so they can request more the next year. There is some slim chance that funding allocated will not be spent. Earmarking makes sure the funds are spent.

    from:
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73468

    excerpt:
    Many fiscally conservative bloggers are blasting a letter Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, an outspoken opponent of excess federal spending, sent to Alaskan Republicans endorsing in the state’s primary Rep. Don Young, R-Alaska, a congressman notorious for advocating the 2005 $223 million “Bridge to Nowhere” project.

    from:
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/03/ron-paul-defend.html

    excerpt:
    Ron Paul, the Texas congressman who is the darling of the Libertarian Right, has more earmarks in the pork-laden $410-billion spending bill than any other Republican.

    and finally, from:
    http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/ron_paul_breaks_gops_moratorium_on_earmarks/

    excerpt:
    Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) has been known to say ?no? to party leadership frequently during the libertarian icon?s 11 terms in the House. But his recent decision to reject the House GOP?s earmark ban by requesting 41 projects totaling more than $100 million for his Congressional district may not be excused.
    Paul is one of a handful of Members to publicly challenge the House GOP leadership by going forward with earmark requests just two weeks after the Republican Conference adopted a one-year moratorium on the spending practice. ?
    [Ron Paul] defended his decision to request projects, saying he needed to make sure his constituents benefited from their federal tax dollars. ?
    Paul said leaders were well aware of his opposition to the ban and his belief that earmarks increase transparency because the public can see where their federal dollars are being allocated.
    ?They asked me whether I would sign on to the moratorium, and I [s]aid no, it doesn?t fit my philosophy because I think we should designate every penny that we spend,? he said.

    just four of many.

    done with threadjack.

  • cpaguy

    Izoneguy, you are on this website all day everyday (lately) attacking people like a Ron Paul fan would.

    Perry is extremely flawed. You can’t just say…”oh…such and such thing was turned over by the legislature…so Perry shouldn’t be criticized.”

    Just like with Obama, think about what happens when we let people whose actions differ from their rhetoric get a pass.

    A person who thinks critically wouldn’t be spamming the threads with links to things that refer to a potential candidates rhetoric, rather than his actual deeds.

    A person who thinks critically would not be attacking everybody who makes a comment that doesn’t praise Perry akin to our Lord.

    Please settle down a little bit…and THINK…..don’t SPAM.

  • Bill S

    A number of us have asked that about you.

  • gekster

    Now as for you, one Perry diary and you and a few others come out with water pistols a squirting, not so much.

  • cpaguy

    Sure, you like a commenter that agrees with you. Just like Obama fans do.

    However, please be cognizant of the facts. You can’t wish them away.

  • gekster

    I don’t agree with everyone, and izoneguy is one of many I at times don’t agree with.
    You don’t have to agree with someone to earn thier respect.
    He has earned his reputation as a respected poster.
    [redacted]

  • cpaguy

    I was merely stating that people like people who currently have views that they have.

    As such, it is no accident that you make a post stating that Izoneguy is a valued poster.

    That is all well and good, however, that doesn’t change the actual facts of the situation or legitimze his flawed (frankly) viewpoint.

  • gekster

    Perry’s not even running and you have spent alot of time slamming him in hopes everyone will jump on your bandwagon.
    Your arguements have been refuted and still you carry on inanely.
    Are you the head of the anti-Perrybots.
    You do have a couple of fans.
    Get your own club together and have a field day.

  • JSobieski

    Romney’s crowning achievement just so happens to resemble the greatest threat that Obama has imposed on the nation.

    Your comments are quite over the top.

    Nobody is praising Perry “akin to our Lord”.

    Way to create a straw man and then beat the tar out of it. Not really an impressive technique.

    Why not talk about the positives of Romney’s record as governor? and worry less about an alleged cult that worships the current governor of Texas?

  • cpaguy

    Nothing has been refuted.

    There is one bizarre Perry spammer who keeps commenting links about things that Perry has recently said (maybe his recent comments/actions have to do with an upcoming election…hmmm…sure not supported by the other 10 years), however, nothing about what he has actually done.

    Please refute some of the negative Perry facts with something beyond…”I think he didn’t/or no longer means that. I trust him. Because the media says that Texas is great…and he is from Texas.”

    I have supported Perry in the past for Governor of Texas (he is a better spitballer than KBH…and come on…White didn’t have a chance in hell…no matter how much he protested).

    Given his past record, I do not think that Rick Perry is a good fit; when we need a leader to have a backbone, say unpopular yet factual things, and get this country headed back in the right direction.

  • cpaguy

    This is not about Romney. This is about RICK PERRY.

    They are both fatally flawed.

    Did you see Romney at the New Hampshire debate? Just like Perry, he can speak a big game….he has to, because his record isn’t up to it.

  • JSobieski

    would also be good to hear.

    I don’t see anyone arguing that Perry is flawless. We don’t have a flawless candidate, so the question is moot.

    The relevant questions are rather who has learned from their mistakes and who is proven to be our best bet at conservative governance?

    There is objectively speaking, no clear cut answer on that question. However, if one puts a lot of weight on executive experience, Perry may be the best governor running. That isn’t saying much, but it may nonetheless be true.

  • cpaguy

    It isn’t saying much.

    As governor of Texas, his responsibilities are few (but he has managed to infringe upon the freedoms of Texans still!)

    He has been governor for 11 or so years, was a Lt. Governor for a very brief bit, then was a Democratic Ag. Commissioner and head of the Al Gore Campaign of Texas (this was not forever ago).

    He converted to the GOP to get the Lt. Gov spot…then lucked out into the governorship when Bush ended his term early.

    What tells you that Perry has learned from his mistakes? You think because he gives crowds a bit of red meat in speeches over the past few months that he is somehow reformed. By that same token, we can all believe that Romney has learned and is now a stand up big “C” conservative.

  • gekster

    I don’t know how many nt’s

  • JSobieski

    (1) He doesn’t go around bringing it up/speaking proudly about it
    (2) He hasn’t tried to do anything similar since

    If he is the best we have, I will vote for him.

    If he is not the best we have (in terms of governors), then please do share who you think is better.

  • gekster

    nother nt

  • izoneguy

    Several people here know who I am.

    I have been around for several years.

    I noticed you popped on the scene when Rick Perry started being discussed.

    And you never answered my question:

    Are you Steve Mostyn? Do you work for Steve Mostyn?
    Or do you just believe all the crap that Steve Mostyn
    puts out on the web?

    Answer 1.) YES
    Answer 2.) NO YES
    Answer 3.) NO NO YES
    Answer 4. ) NO NO NO
    Answer 5.) No comment

  • acat

    I’m reminded of John Belushi’s classic “Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?” speech from Animal House.

    It doesn’t matter. They’re on a roll.

    I’ve seen posts from 2-3 mods and/or front-pagers so I know it’ll get shut down if it goes badly off the rails but .. this is just what’s needed – it’s either the innoculation Perry needs or it’s the knock-out punch he should receive.

    I haven’t made up my mind whether Perry’s a good potential candidate or not, but I’m learning … So far, I have to say that I really like the enemies he’s acquired.

    Mew

  • cpaguy

    The bill is actually pretty weak (magnitudes less than Arizona). I don’t really see how it prevents sanctuary cities. It is tough on cities that try to make it easy for immigrants to avoid detection when they are in police custody…but that really isn’t the problem in Texas.

    While some cities are weaker than others on the issue, there really aren’t any “sanctuary cities” of the kind you see in the West. Of course I’m not familiar with every town in Texas, so where these towns exist, they should be taken care of, but I don’t know how this bill really accomplishes that. Seems like rhetoric rather than action.

    The problems are open borders and employers who hire illegals.

    This is more of a political stunt than real action. This has nothing to do with Rick Perry (though I’m sure he’ll strut about given the legislations lofty name), This is all about the Texas legislature and the prelevance of squishies.

    Also, yes, the highway commission needs to give all these dagnab toll roads a rest.

  • izoneguy

    acat – I think it is enemy he has acquired. I think it is the same person regurgitating the same old points. If that is all they have then bring it on.
    The goal here is to crush Obama.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    …especially after the 2010 election cycle. After all, we know that the Democrats will be well equipped with proctoscopes.

    But there’s a difference between vetting vs. monomania vs. fibrillation – not to mention the whole Ron Paul threadjacks. At some point, you’ve just got to stop tossing chum into the water.

    If people want to play jungle ball, I’m not in charge of the stadium lights. But I didn’t want to leave the stands without at least expressing exasperation.

    If this type of discourse becomes the norm for the upcoming primary season, we’ll be in The Lady from Shanghai* mode long before the Republican Convention.

    *whose climactic scene was an unforgettable tour de force

  • acat

    There’s also a very important reason why there’s some time between the start of the primaries, the “clinch”, the convention, and the general…. dealmaking and pouring oil upon the waters.

    Bear in mind, during the 2008 race, Ron Paul supporters were banned on sight on Red State.

    I wouldn’t worry about it too much. There’s always a couple johnny-one-note types in this crowd, and .. as I said .. I am impressed with Perry’s enemies list. The real one, I mean. Not cpaguy.

    Mew

  • realvoice2010

    in the STEM courses and english and history and us government. Dump the “social sciences” or at least the condom on cucumber type “education”. Taking over education is a good idea for conservatives.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    I’m writing this comment because I do perceive you to be a thoughtful individual trying to contribute to the discussion rather than someone whose intentions are to be disruptive. As you know if you’ve followed here for very long, we see a lot of the latter at RedState. And if I put you in that latter group, I would not bother to waste time for this comment.

    So take this comment as reflecting my assessment (I hope correctly) of your having good intentions. And as advice, as I am not a moderator and can’t speak for them.

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    Comments are best reserved for bringing several points to attention. In your case, where you formed an thoughtful and coherent position regarding Gov. Perry’s record and how that affects his suitability to be the Republican nominee for President, it’s much better to write a diary.

    1) You will be able to bring your views directly to the entire RedState readership rather than just to those who follow the threads down to your comments.

    2) It will focus the discussion of your position rather than having various fragments in different threads.

    3) You then would not detract and distract from the topic that the author addressed in his post, which he stated in his second paragraph:

    Now before I go too far, my purpose of responding to Mr. Finn is not to defend or promote the Governor as much as it is to point out the absurdity of what Mr. Finn purports to say on an objective basis and the curious placement of such a piece in National Review given the leftist connections of the Fordham Foundation, which tries assiduously to portray itself as center-right despite those connections.

    Now I know that in practice, threads do become unruly. But rather than add fuel to the fire, I think you would better help the community if your next effort regarding Gov. Perry would be to write a diary. This would also give you the best forum to marshal your arguments and make your case to the depth that you wish, which the comments structure is poorly suited for.

    And that in turn would create also a far more focused forum for discussion of your views.

    Finally, I would note that if it’s true that your only political interest at this time is Gov. Perry and nothing else here at RedState is worth your interest or engagement with, then it really is time to expand your horizons and apply your analytical skills to address the many other issues and dangers facing our nation.

  • sevenmack

    http://dropoutnation.net/2011/06/17/erick-erickson-learn-education-2/

  • gekster

    you try to take out the guy at the top of the totem pole.
    note: not worth the read, imho