Barack Obama Wants These People To Handle Your Healthcare

kdoc

“I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

averagevoterdotcom

the ObamaCare letter would say.

this tea bagging southern family just doesn’t appreciate all the good intentions and work FEMA does.

govt just needs some tweeking to manage 300 million citizens lives well.

minncon

… must have also done the title for the video. “Tornadoe?” Really?

Also… what do insured homeowners ask FEMA for, anyway? I’ve always wondered. The story mentions the owners are “struggling” with an insurance company.

What’s the claim on the federal government, then?

dbass

But we will use our tax dollars to rebuild schools and homes in all the 3rd world countries with out batting an eyelid. . .

ag8tor

FEMA really proved it’s need during Katrina, huh. Why doesn’t this bureaucrat that wrote this letter deliver it to them directly? It’s easy to say NO from an office in some Federal building. What part of IDIOT do they not understand. They really expect this family to house their special needs child in this ruin? F***ing bureacrats! They’re like Barney Fife. Give them one bullet and a badge and they’re all full of themselves. I hope the homeowner told them what he thinks of their non-support letter, in no uncertain terms. They’ll give homes and millions of dollars of support to the looters and street people in New Orleans but these folks are supposed to deal with it on their own. I thought the libs in the Obama administration were all about sharing the wealth. I guess these folks are from the wrong group. That group would be employed and taxpaying. BTW what has the Tea Party got to do with this?

averagevoterdotcom

why do they need a 2nd floor?

now they have plenty of scrap wood for heating in the winter.

you see, it is like a car wreck claim. The house is not totalled. A hammer and a box of nails and a weekend and it will be habitable again!

averagevoterdotcom

the claim on the fed govt is that they claim to be the savior to the stricken.

you see, buy into their game and this family can -

build their own house and not need insurance due to FEMA.

have their special needs childs medical needs paid by medicaid.

get a SS Disability check for their child.

get EBT – food stamps.

get all other family medical needs for free at the local hospital.

and get unemployment checks if not working.

then there is plenty of money for 4 wheelers, lottery tix, cigarettes, street pills, and pot.

averagevoterdotcom

also, all education, roads, fire and police protection, courts, military protection, etc etc all are free since no taxes are paid.

special needs child special education and transportation is free.

and a fat IRS tax check annually even though no taxes were paid in.

America, Land of the Freebies!!

Next93

Fema funds should be for things that can’t be covered by individual insurance, like infrastructure damage (I don’t think there’s disaster insurance that local government can take out). In extreme cases, I can see FEMA handling refugee issues (like the “temporary” housing after Katrina), but really, the government SHOULDN’T be handing individual homeowners checks, or even securing loans.

Case in point, North Minneapolis saw several blocks destroyed a couple of weeks ago by a tornado, the Feds have declined to declare it a disaster. The people of the Twin Cities have been chipping in to help with the cleanup, and I don’t honestly think we need federal help.

izoneguy

Ah Ha, it’s the democrats who want to watch special needs kids suffer.

Hint to future tornado victims….

Just get a backhoe and tear your house down to ground.
Leave just a pile of bricks and wood.

sandbun

he made sure the public option wasn’t included by killing it in the senate even after claiming he was for it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/ny-times-reporter-confirm_b_500999.html Liberals want these people in charge of your health care. Obama cares about one person, himself, and he saw more money for his re-election by pleasing the insurance companies.

I get the point that you’re trying to make, but it’s worthwhile to be accurate.

jim91010

One day the family of a recently deceased person will read the following words in a letter from the agency controlling health care, “…sorry but it has been determined that you are not ill enough to see a doctor.”

johnt

It’s the federal health Tornado, da guvmint in action, nobody or nothing does destruction better.

runner12

that FEMA checks should only handed out in the most dire of circumstances. I think some of your sarcastic comments and assumptions that every child with a disability somehow receives all of their medical care via Medicaid is presumptive and frankly offensive.

Do you know the astronomical costs associated with having a child with a disability? How much do you think that wheelchair costs the child was using? Most parents use private insurance in conjuction with Medicaid. And since private insurers are much more generous and easy to work with, they prefer billing them first.

Again, I do not mean to be harsh here. I fully agree that we have a handout society and that many of the other programs you listed should meet a hasty demise. But when it comes to children with disabilities, I think a little aid is in order (within reason).

6thgentxn

When did we start expecting the government to fix people’s private property? The operative term being “private property”. This is not a government function. If a tornado is a risk factor, buy insurance! Once again this is an example of privatizing gains and socializing losses. If the homeowner wanted to “save” money by not buying insurance, why does a destroyed uninsured home suddenly become the the taxpayer’s responsibility to repair? Is everybody a victim?

melissatx

If they were black, hispanic, illegal of any country, this would not have been an issue and they would have had the house rebuilt, with furniture and all kinds of amenities because this administration interjects social justice and redistribution of wealth into these programs, The decisions are no longer based on common sense and need.

melissatx

If they were black, hispanic, illegal of any country, this would not have been an issue and they would have had the house rebuilt, with furniture and all kinds of amenities because this administration interjects social justice and redistribution of wealth into these programs, The decisions are no longer based on common sense and need.

sandbun

that happened in this case is where exactly?

bwakefield

They aren’t a minority or and illegal, so they don’t get squat!

You got that boys and girls?

bordway01

This is how most government agencies are run. If you have ever work with an agency, you know what I mean.

First accept the fact that they are very intelligent, just ask them they will tell you. They are very good at transferring the blame on you, someone else or procedure, it isn’t their fault (good to remember).

If you submit any documents and/or paper work, keep copies with dates when you submitted, (the paperwork is always missing and/or you just didn’t submit them on time). Most likely you will need to re-submit and you will need to prove that you submitted on time. (Recommend that you have the case worker give you a receipt with date and time and their signature that they received).

They are very busy and overworked (they tell you so at every opportunity) and you are to rush and get things done NOW, but you will need to be patient until they can get to your case and by they way they have a huge case load (they will show you stacks of files in their office as proof). Always compliment them on the fine job they are doing and be sure to thank them for the help. (They thrive on compliments)

If your case worker isn’t getting things done, ask for their supervisor and wait until one is provided. When you speak with the supervisor, be polite, and express that your case worker’s load is to much and unable to assist you. (Never tell them that worker is incompetent, they will just shuffle you to the bottom of the stack).

You must jump through hoops that they outline, which can change without notice (it must be in the fine print somewhere that they can do this, although no one can show you that). If all goes well and you don’t need to re-file and start the process over, you may eventually receive the assistance you are in need of-usually less than expected. (Personally, I think their goal is to frustrate you and you will just give up then they don’t have to do anything more-but because the case isn’t close it remains in their stack of files which proves they have a huge case load).

Now you may think that this process will save thousands of dollars, because of the people who just give up. You would be wrong. There are those who know how to work the system and are pros a at deceiving, and that is where fraud comes in-which is the number one cost to any of these entitlement programs.

You can take this information with the grain of salt, although it may come in handy the day you are waiting for a case worker to handle your Obamacare claim. May you never have to use!

averagevoterdotcom

but my post is clear irony and not a comment about this family.

why does DC have to be the collector and giver of special needs of any kind? A very slippery slope indeed.

http://www.ScottsdaleGoodLife.com barbaramoss

I guess this house isn’t shovel ready yet!

j2saret

er I thought the health care reform was just a Health Insurance Reform, mostly giving individuals the ability in the future to have the same purchasing power and protections those like me have with an employment based group. I have been an individual buying insurance for myself and found myself prey to despicable practices.
Then because I had a son with severe handicaps I became unmeasurable at a price that would leave me with enough money to put a roof over my family’s head. So I (and they) were uninsured.
Now I have great group coverage. The Obama led reforms were both moderate and needed. Sorry you let propagandists stuff beans in your ears by constructing the strawman “Obamacare”
Just call me the voice of reality and remember the basics were a Republican plan before they were a Democratic plan.

williamjameson

Remember the blame Bush game?

Never saw Obama go to Nashville after the floods nor a coupe of tornado incidents in 2010.

Why does Obama show up primarily in liberal districts?

bluewhale

no, he doesn’t want “government bureaucrats to decide your healthcare fate”, he wants everybody to have access to affordable health insurance.. what about when the private insurance companies decide your “health care fate” by refusing to pay for prescribed treatments or drop people altogether when they get some catastrophic illness? what about when employers decide an employee’s “health care fate” by firing him/her after they get sick?

And there a lot of Republicans and right-wingers, by the way, who think that the government shouldn’t help victims of natural disasters at all — how do you guys feel about that? I mean since you seem so horrified at this bad FEMA decision?

gekster

How does making everyone get health insurance make it more affordable.
How about making laws to “reform health insurance, instead of mandating it.
How about tort reform.
The MAJOR rise in health insurance is liability insurance for the doctors.
Just a couple of questions.

acat

Yes, there are problems with private insurance companies. Directly related to the story, Alpha Insurance dropped a big number of Alabama residents’ home coverage following the Tuscaloosa tornadoes. There are other options in those cases, though.

If you don’t like your current health insurance carrier, and you’re self-insured – like I was for a couple years – you can change carriers.

If your employer provides your coverage, you can opt out, take the extra ca$h, and go self-insured .. or just change to a different employer-provided plan.

Get fired after you get sick? Get dropped because you get something catastrophic? Guess what, bluewhale – that’s a lawsuit and there’s plenty of lawyers who would *love* to take it on. It’s also a common lie of the left.

If you don’t like your current flood insurance, or your current disaster recovery, you .. are {simply} out of luck. The only outfit providing flood insurance in the U.S. is the government. The only outfit doing disaster recovery payments is FEMA. Don’t like it? Well, too {darn} bad.

{heck}, Obama is on record as saying he wants single-payer, i.e. the government doing all the insuring. Just like flood insurance. Just like FEMA. Erick is dead-on with this.

As for getting rid of FEMA, I’d be fine with that. Let’s go back to when disaster relief was done by competent people like the Red Cross and, oh yeah, the Army, Navy, Marines, and National Guard units. Same payer, better staff. Seems like a win to me… while you, bluewhale, seem more like #Winning!

Mew

p.s. do I change my name to Ahab?

gekster

bluewhale

“How does making everyone get health insurance make it more affordable?”
you’re kidding right? there has to be a system in which everyone can purchase insurance at an affordable price – the only way to do this is by buying health insurance as part of a group — hence the exchanges, hence the single-payer concept, hence it’s cheaper — much cheaper — to get health insurance thru yr employer than on your own… this is why this Medicare voucher thing is such a joke… do you really think folks 65 and older will be able to ever purchase insurance on their own, individually? do you think any private health insurance company operating in the “free” market would sell health insurance to someone 65 and older? especially old people, if they don’t purchase insurance as part of a large group, it’s practically impossible.. this Ryan thing is a total non-starter…

you can do tort reform (although am mistrustful of the term “reform” here, if it means curtailing people access’ to the courts…) but this notion right-wingers have that tort reform is “all the rage” in cutting health care costs is simply not true..

http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

The first thing is to not play “conservatives in the mist”.

The second thing you need to do is to define you terms more precisely.

For instance, conservatives and Republicans are not against “government” as though it were a single entity – rather we are concerned with defining the duties and limits for the various levels of government: federal vs. states vs. local vs. individuals – and working to prevent usurpation of these powers by the more powerful.

And finally, links are your friend. Throwing spaghetti against the wall is frowned on here.

Your choice…

gekster

I should have expected it.

gekster

I guess the Obamanuer health plan fits right in with you.
Take money from those who earn it and give it to those who don’t.

acat

Next time you go to your doctor – no, better. Get your {butt} down to your general practitioner’s office tomorrow. Ask to speak to the office manager. You won’t need an appointment.

Ask the office manager how much the doctors pay for malpractice insurance, as a percentage of the office profit each year.

You’re spouting the liberal talking point that tort reform means people can’t sue. That’s bull{manure} – what tort reform means is juries will be limited on how much they can award for “pain and suffering”.

That’s the “silver tuna” that trial lawyers – who are mostly Democrat supporters, by the way – go after. The “pain and suffering” awards regularly dwarf the legitimate compensation, and a lot of the money ends up lining lawyers’ pockets, not helping the victms. 20%-30% “contingency” agreements are normal.

Know who pays these awards? Insurance companies. Malpractice insurance covers it, which is why you need to go find out how little your doc is really making, after expenses.

You’ve been lied to, bluewhale. Believe me or not, I don’t give a {darn} .. but the truth is out there. I’ve pointed you at it. Your move.

Mew

http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

…because Obamacare is a gold mine for them by providing them with a guaranteed customer base.

Oh you like single-payer – now you’re creating the world’s largest insurance company with monopoly power – what could possibly go wrong? Or to phrase this differently, who will really run a single payer agency (hint: it won’t be ordinary citizens) – and would you trust these folks with your life? (You certainly won’t trust them with you wallet

bluewhale

“take money from those who earn it and give it to those who don?t…”

why is having a system in which everyone can buy affordable insurance through a group (like all other modern democracies have?), “taking from those who earn it” and giving it other people?

so to you there’s absolutely no way of having an efficient, cost-effective health care system that covers everyone without taking “money from those who earn it and give it to those who don?t”??? I don’t think people in all other civilized countries feel that by having the much more efficient, rational, cost-effective health care system than we do, someone is “taking” money from someone else… they all pay into the system to form a very large pool so insurance is much cheaper for all.. you really don’t get this concept??? there is a ***very good reason*** why purchasing health insurance in large groups is much cheaper: a lot of people in a large pool (i.e., one policy that covers a large amount of people) is a much smaller risk for an insurance co. than an individual policy would be.. you really don’t know this??? well, ok, don’t take my word for it.. go look it up…

bluewhale

“And finally, links are your friend. Throwing spaghetti against the wall is frowned on here…” WHAT?

I still would like to know if anyone here has a problem with private insurance cos. refusing to pay for a prescribed treatment or dropping people altogether once they get sick.. this is “rationing” in my book, rationing by private insurance cos., but rationing just the same, big-time…

you guys are always saying you don’t want “government” to get in betw you and your doctor, but you seem to have no problem with private insurance companies getting in between doctors and their patients..

acat

Anybody can buy insurance as part of a pool. I’ve checked – it’s quite possible. (I did mention that I was self-insured for a while, right? Right.) It’s not as easy as calling an agent and saying you want health care coverage, but it’s not hard.

As for other “modern democracies”, do you mean France or England? Their health care is all provided by government, not insurance companies. Look it up. There may be insurance companies, but look at who really pays.

A note, by the way – the GOP offered a reform – allowing insurance to be sold across state lines, which would allow even bigger pools (and therefore lower rates) to form. Rejected by the Democrat party.

As for “taking from those who earn it”, it’s based on the fact that medical care is limited. That is, there’s a finite number of doctors, gauze pads, pills, nurses, chiropractors, hospitals, etc. etc. Unless you want to reinvent slavery, someone’s gotta pay these folks and buy these supplies… and it’s not going to be the unemployed or uninsured, now is it?

Finally, I don’t give a {darn} what people in other countries are happy about. I don’t live there. I live here, not there, and what they do is up to them. I’m glad they’re happy, but that doesn’t change that I think they’re being stupid.

Oh, and FYI? The British health service is collapsing, the Canadian system is extremely backed up. In both cases, patients who can afford it come *here* and get treatment.

If we go single-payer, I predict that “medical resorts” will blossom all over South America, where Americanos with bucks will go for treatment.

Mew

acat

There’s a finite number of doctors, nurses, gauze pads, pills, etc.

Medical care is rationed. Period.

The scenarios you’re describing, insurance companies refusing to pay or dropping, are lies promulgated by the left; in either case, it’s a clearly winnable lawsuit, and there are trial lawyers who’d love to get a silver tuna settlement…

All “single payer” government-provided health care does is to change how the rationing is decided. Using money as a proxy for societal value (i.e. giving preference to the people who have jobs and, you know, *make* stuff or *fix* things, who are of *value* to society) as a way to ration health care has worked pretty well.

What do you offer to show that government can do better? In that, Erick’s point regarding FEMA (and my point regarding flood insurance that you’ve completely ignored) are dead-on – government sucks at rationing.

Nevermind that it’s unconstitutional as {heck} .

Oh, and “reply to this” is your friend.

Mew

Bill S

http://www.Redstate.com/posting-rules/

Sorry, bub, but this ain’t a debate society, and you don’t get to come in here and hawk your talking points. Redstate is for promoting conservative values and the GOP. And Obamacare and socialized medicine don’t qualify.

Now I have to go to the basement and wait out a tornado warning. So go tell your Kos friends that Redstate kicked you out, since that’s apparently what you were after.

acat

gpclaw

Your on a roll – looks like someone has been eating their Wheeties!

Just like gravity, the law of supply and demand will always win out in the end. Government health care equals monopoly and price fixing – period.

There does exist a finite number of doctors. If the demand for doctors exceeds the supply, of course prices should be allowed to go up. This is the only way to signal that more doctors are needed, and will result in either more people entering the profession, or new innovations that will allow doctors to increase productivity. If these two things are not allowed to happen, then prices will never fall, because demand will always exceed supply.

The problem the left has, is that they can’t think outside the box. Would we really need more doctors if we minimized the roll of the doctor? Are there functions in the medical profession that must be performed by doctors, not because they are best suited to do so, but because of regulations? Why can’t people trained as Physicians Assistants take over the role of General Practitioner? The role of the GP has essentially been reduced to the gate keeper for the medical industry, performing basic services and then referring you to a specialist if something looks serious. PA’s can be trained faster, cost less, and still have enough knowledge to perform the standard office visit.

Changing how we perform healthcare will be the way forward to saving money, which means more access to health care.

izoneguy

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2011/06/14/More-physicians-leaving-private-practices/UPI-84191308100918/

This will make it much easier for the state to take over health care.

Obama wants to put those pesky doctor/entrepreneur’s out of business.
Along with those greedy insurance companies who rape, pillage & plunder.
Actually that sounds like what the feds are doing!!!!

Bill S

And I should have included an apology to you guys for spoiling your fun…

acat

The doctors who are leaving the profession aren’t leaving their skills. In some cases, they’re just going to a cash-only fee-for-service model.

Think about that. Forcing doctors to stop accepting insurance is almost guaranteed to create exactly the sort of two-tier haves vs. have-nots, “riff raff runways”*, “there are two americas” landscape the Dems are busy railing against.

Mew

* hat tip to former Red State contributor Vassar Bushmills

acat

bluewhale gave me a chance to sharpen my rhetorical claws and something at least semi-productive to do with my insomnia. I think I was offline when you finally brought down the ban hammer.

Mew

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

ban ‘em on Monday. There’s no fun like a weekend free for all.

izoneguy

Doctor Mergers Could Drive Health Costs Higher

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2011/06/17/doctor-mergers-could-drive-health-costs-higher/

etlib

I totally agree that government shouldn’t cover things which can be covered by private insurance. I don’t think we should reward people for not having insurance, that’s just “freeloading.”

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