At the Republican Leadership Conference this week in New Orleans and even prior to that, I have engaged in conversations with Republican politicos, donors, professional fundraiser, etc. about a possible Rick Perry bid for President.
Inevitably, the conversation goes like this:
THEM: What do you think?
ME: He could be the guy to seal the deal as the anti-Romney guy, but I’m not sure anyone can close the gap.
THEM: He’s a formidable politician and great at retail politics. Almost Clintonesque in how he connects with voters. Much better than Romney.
ME: Well, that’s an added bonus. i hear that about Tim Pawlenty too. And Bachmann fires up the crowd better than probably anyone but Cain.
THEM: Well, yes, but on Perry, the big downside (their voice grows deeper and whispering) is all his personal baggage. You know what I mean.
ME: No.
THEM: Well, he has all sorts of problems and they’ll destroy him with it. That’s why I don’t think he’ll get in. Everybody in Texas knows about this stuff.
Truth be told, I hear this about this with every candidate. Every Republican Presidential candidates is a closet homosexual who engages in mass orgies with women and boys while keeping multiple mistresses on the side hidden from their wives all while funneling highway contracts to their best friends for a kickback.
Every Republican is like that if you believe those candidates’ opponents within the Republican Party.
Rarely do these rumors ever actually become true.
Here’s the thing about Perry and why I typically call bull on these rumors.
Rick Perry was first elected to the Texas Senate in 1984.
In 1990, Perry challenged the incumbent Agriculture Commissioner of Texas and won. He was re-elected in 1994.
In 1998, Perry ran for and was elected Lt. Governor of Texas, then replaced George W. Bush when Bush became President.
Perry was elected Governor in his own right in 2002, again in 2006, and again last year.
Last year’s race saw Perry face Kay Bailey Hutchison, a ruthless politician who was backed by the Bushies with a unified front and Karl Rove, who trained under Lee Atwater.
None of the evil, awful Rick Perry skeletons ever made it out of the closet even against all that.
So we can keep playing the “Rick Perry has skeletons” game, but the odds are pretty damn good if there are any skeletons they’ll stay in the closet.
Jeff Emanuel
Neil Stevens
And what, pray tell
irishfreedomfighter (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 1:31PM EDT (link)is this personal baggage? All I know about his personal life is that he’s been with his wife since he was a teenager.
And what, pray tell
irishfreedomfighter (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 1:31PM EDT (link)is this personal baggage? All I know about his personal life is that he’s been with his wife since he was a teenager.
What about the Guardisil skeleton?
Icarus (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 1:32PM EDT (link)It’s sitting right there on the front lawn…
What about the Guardisil skeleton?
Icarus (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 1:32PM EDT (link)It’s sitting right there on the front lawn…
Thats it
Toby Calvert-Lee (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 1:34PM EDT (link)Thats the only problem, which is a hell of a lot better then most of the other candidates. Thats the worst thing he’s done and in 12 years, thats not a bad record
Your friend and fellow Conservative in the fight
– Toby Calvert-Lee
Twitter: @TobyCalvertLee
You can beat the HPV "skeleton" all you want
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 1:42PM EDT (link)In the end it won’t matter.
Rick signed an executive order. The social conservatives raised a snit.
It was killed and girls were never given shots.
The liberal dems were the ones who were devasted by the loss of the HPV shot.
They wanted it free but now they will have to go pay for it.
Rick never pursued it but believed he was right.
Now if the liberal media wants to go visit that “skelton”. Get after it.
Too bad the liberal media did not pay this much attention to Obama’s beliefs and actions before annoiting him King of America.
CPAGUY has been beating the drum against Perry on this site.
He links to a liberal trial lawyers PAC as evidence against Perry.
His treasure trove of links is driven by a liberal trial lawyer who has a vendetta against Perry. Perry bodyslammed the trial lawyers with the new loser pays law.
Follow the links:
http://www.backtobasicspac.org/
http://www.mostynlaw.com/bio/steve.asp
http://www.thetruthaboutstevemostyn.com/
http://www.thetruthaboutstevemostyn.com/files/contributions.pdf
http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2011/02/texas-watchdog-to-democratic-megadonor-steve-mostyn/1297978639.column
I will support Rick Perry over sleazy trial lawyers – ANY DAY
Again, I ask is CPAGUY Steve Mostyn or is CPAGUY a cheerleader for Mostyn and trial lawyers?
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Ditto.
radicalrighty Saturday, June 18th at 8:18AM EDT (link)“I will support Rick Perry over sleazy trial lawyers – ANY DAY”
It waves to the NAFTA Superhighway skeleton
blooch Friday, June 17th at 1:50PM EDT (link)every time Naftie hits the off ramp in Texas lol.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
NAFTA superhighway? Ha
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 1:53PM EDT (link)That’s a good one.
Tell me another one. The one about the Build-a-burgers.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
The risk to Perry from the Gardasil skeleton...
acat (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 2:05PM EDT (link)…isn’t the skeleton itself, it’s the whole “don’t talk about sex!” issue it brings along.
Much easier to say “Don’t like Perry” than to try to defend innoculating prepubescent girls against an STD they may never even be exposed to.
Mew
——

Caveat Suffragator
The Sordid Details of the Trans Texas Corridor Scandal
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 2:11PM EDT (link)Here is one of the hit websites that Steve Mostyn has bought and paid for with his millions scammed off the backs of Texas taxpayers.
http://www.handsoffourland.com/getthefacts/
“The Trans-Texas Corridor is dead.”
Even left leaning Politifact says it is mostly true.
The left will try to tie ANY road project that is within 100 miles of the I-35 corridor as part of the “evil Rick Perry TTC”.
I guess the left wants more stimulus money from the feds to grant highway projects to their union buddies. I guess you could always pave roads with unicorn crap.
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/jan/18/rick-perry/perry-campaign-says-blog-trans-texas-corridor-dead/
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Riddle me this, izoneguy ... Has Perry ever backed Ron Paul?
acat (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 2:17PM EDT (link)If so, especially if Perry may tend to promote Paul into any position in the executive branch, then .. I may have a problem with Perry.
Mew
——

Caveat Suffragator
Has Perry ever backed Ron Paul?
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 2:33PM EDT (link)Ron Paul says fellow Texan Rick Perry is ‘very much the status quo’
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/06/ron-paul-says-fellow-texan-rick-perry-is-very-much-the-status-quo.html
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Does this help, acat?
blooch Friday, June 17th at 2:34PM EDT (link)“The last time Paul ran for president, in 2008, Perry endorsed former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani (R), and not his fellow Texan.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/166787-ron-paul-dings-gov-perry-for-belonging-to-status-quo
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Thanks to Blooch and izoneguy.
acat (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 2:44PM EDT (link)Good to know Perry seems to be steering well around Ron Paul.
Mew
——

Caveat Suffragator
The Debate is over
devereaux Saturday, June 18th at 1:48PM EDT (link)While I won’t be supporting Ron Paul(Bachmann) the Republican party has moved in his direction. No one on the stage in the recent New Hampshire debate talked about widening the war in the Middle East. But bringing the troops home was a big subject. Peggy Noonan had a good column in Friday’s Wall Street Journal about it.
The economy is where Republicans have really moved towards Ron Paul. No doubt about it.
Bachmann, Pawlenty, Gingrich Join Gold Standard Tour. Besides Gingrich and Bachmann, other presidential contenders planning to participate include Herman Cain, Gary Johnson, Tim Pawlenty, and Rick Santorum. The tour will last 18 days, end with a rally in Des Moines on July 2, and be broadcast live by Tea Party Review online.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/06/15/bachmann-pawlenty-gingrich-join-gold-standard-tour
If Ron Paul were 65 instead of 75 he would be a viable candidate in 2012.
As Paul left the stage, Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), one of the most conservative voices in the Senate, told him: “I used to think you were crazy, Ron, but I’m starting to feel a little crazy myself.”
War in The Middle East
edintexas Saturday, June 18th at 2:30PM EDT (link)Sadly, Heritage is supportive of our involvement in Libya. I followed a link in an e-Mail from Eric – and lo – Heritage is offering their ideas on “the way forward” in Libya. And it didn’t include cutting off the funds, or our military assets.
I’m not a fan of Ron (I do like Michelle Bachman – and Herman Cain to a lesser degree due to some situations of reported lack of knowledge), nor do I harbor a visceral hatred of him. Some of his ideas aren’t “crazy”, though some strike me as at least nearing the line.
Forgot
edintexas Saturday, June 18th at 2:35PM EDT (link)I’m no fan of Perry’s Gardisil EO (and in an e-Mail I convinced Mark Davis I had a case, when he didn’t think it was any big deal). I was dead set against the Trans Texas Corridor (the thought of transferring sovereignty of a customs station location in Kansas to Mexico is a really, really bad idea). It is dead, and perhaps that is more the result of Oklahoma killing the link between Texas and Kansas permanently. On the other hand, I think Perry has been burned enough to have learned his lesson. I did vote for him in November, and (at this point) would do so again.
I posted this back on May 19th and still stand by it...
trutexan Saturday, June 18th at 4:17PM EDT (link)We can’t be like sports fans. “Yeah maybe McNabb threw the winning pass but it wasn’t a tight spiral so it was lousy to watch.” Absolutely NOBODY is going to have the complete package. And if conservatives don’t watch out, we’ll pick each other apart and give the liberal media plenty of ammo to make the ignorant un-read public disregard all the stupid stuff the current administration has done.
Let’s take Perry for instance. I was vehemently opposed to the TransTexas Corridor (it would run right through my land) and at the time, I just couldn’t stand the fact that this arrogant politician was going to pay a foreign company to build a toll road with no-build restrictions on either side of it for the next 50 years. It was eminent domain run amok. But I held my nose and voted for him in this last election because his democratic opponent turned Houston into a sanctuary city.
Consider that just the presence of Perry is enough to send a streak of fear through the liberal Dems. His pressing that letter into Obama’s hand at the airport in Austin was priceless. That took what we call “chon-es” and it was beyond impressive. There will be millions of Southern Democrats who will vote for this Texan feeling like they are getting some sort of redemption because the current democrat they helped put into office is such a miserable disappointment. They blindly voted for a democrat without realizing they were voting for socialism. The buyer’s remorse is rampant and the approval numbers show it.
On a national level, I like Perry on the ticket. Sure, he’s a politician and he’s got baggage just like all of them. But he is our absolute best bet to win. He’s strong, solid, charismatic, a Christian, pro-life, supported by the Tea Party, knows all about the border problems & the effects of illegal immigration, a proponent for home-grown energy, and the economic record of Texas in the current economy shows he knows how to create a capitalistic pro-business environment that can get this country back on its feet. Perfect? No. Electable? Yes. And he’ll beat the pants off Obama. I have to consider that most important. I’m going to put aside my own personal feelings from the TTC memories and put the best interest of my country first. The guy or gal who is elected president, has a lot of un-doing ahead. And this time, I’d vote for Perry without holding my nose.
Ted Cruz (R) for Texas Senate.
Obama – Forward!
Proverbs 4:12-15
A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a forward mouth. He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers; Forwardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord. Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy.
Which Explains All The Moronic Build-a-burger Crapola(nt)
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 3:16PM EDT (link)Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
Phyllis Schlafly
devereaux Saturday, June 18th at 1:35PM EDT (link)You don’t have to support Ron Paul to know that the NAFTA superhighway was being discussed.
http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2006/aug06/06-08-23.html
I kid, Neil,
blooch Friday, June 17th at 2:13PM EDT (link)but I could probably dredge up a tainted beef scandal if I squinted hard. Best I can do for now is Kinky Friedman blaming Republican Ag CommissionerTodd Staples for tainted meat in Texas schools…and You-Know-Who is a former Texas Ag Commish. Hmmm…(wink wink).
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
really
tankertodd (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 6:13PM EDT (link)Yeah, God Forbid the man wanted to immunize people. How heinous.
———————————
The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race – Chief Justice Roberts
"the man wanted to immunize people"
Icarus (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 6:44PM EDT (link)* by executive order
* with a drug that had just been approved for sale, with no long term studies of side effects
* with the support of his former chief of staff who worked for the drug manufacturer
* and the “people” were 11 & 12 year old girls who were being forceably immunized to prevent an STD
If you don’t think this is an issue, you’re kidding yourself. Which you’re perfectly entitled to do, no executive order required.
"the man wanted to immunize people"
Icarus (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 6:44PM EDT (link)* by executive order
* with a drug that had just been approved for sale, with no long term studies of side effects
* with the support of his former chief of staff who worked for the drug manufacturer
* and the “people” were 11 & 12 year old girls who were being forceably immunized to prevent an STD
If you don’t think this is an issue, you’re kidding yourself. Which you’re perfectly entitled to do, no executive order required.
How come everyone who raises this issue
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 6:49PM EDT (link)Neglects to say that there was an opt-out clause.
It’s right in the order – go read it.
You make it sound like Rick Perry was a nazi prison camp commander.
ObamaCare does not have an opt-out. And that is what we need to defeat.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
There wasn't an opt-out clause.
aesthete (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 8:55PM EDT (link)There was a case-by-case reviews/appeal process by which a parent could attempt to prove a conscience/religious reason for exemption after the fact — that is nothing like a simple opt-out, and most Texan parents were not aware of it at the time. In fact, I’m pretty confident that I could find similar language for many of ObamaCare’s provisions — it’s typical language that is meant to cover fringe religious groups and a few others. (It also doesn’t cover parents who have non-religious reasons for wanting their children to be exempt.)
I actually mildly like Rick Perry, but let’s not pee on people’s heads and tell them it’s raining.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
re: really
dagnyt (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 6:50PM EDT (link)Agree completely.
If this saves lives it’s worth it. There are lots of immunizations required that include risk of side effects.
Getting a shot is not going to change someone’s behavior.
Immunization Schedules
cpaguy Friday, June 17th at 9:14PM EDT (link)To my knowledge (feel free to google it and prove otherwise…I’m too lazy), mandatory immunization is done exclusively for communicable diseases that have either crippling effects or result in a high incidence of death and often have an epidemic impact upon populations.
I am not aware of mandatory vaccinations for STDs or cancers (given the nature of cancer, an HPV vaccine is not going to elimanate the incidence of cervical cancer to begin with).
The cold and the flu kill more people than cervical cancer, but the vaccine for those ailments are not mandatory.
It would eliminate those cervical cancer cases
Michael Dugas (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 12:19AM EDT (link)that are the result of HPV infection. And there IS a correlation. I don’t think you can compare the cold and flu to HPV as preventing exposure to HPV is realistically a lot easier due to its mode of transmission while with the flu and common cold there is no reasonably easy way to prevent transmission other than isolation in a sterile environment.
I don’t agree with mandatory vaccination for HPV as it’s not the type of virus that can spread like wildfire with just routine contact with our environment.
Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”
Remember: A Citizen on the dole is a Liberal Vote at the Polls.
END ENTITLEMENTS!
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum !
I cannot decide which disgusts me more in this REDSTATE discussion…
ntrepid (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 12:49PM EDT (link)…the “God Forbid the man wanted to immunize people”/”If this saves lives it’s worth it” line of thought or the “there was an opt-out clause” defense.
Had the Governor offered free immunizations to all who chose to accept his generosity at the expense of the taxpayers of Texas, I might (only maybe) then invoke the Almighty with a hearty “God bless him”. But the governmental imposition of an anti-liberty baseline condition with a potential reclamation of your rights via the generosity of the state bureaucracy is about as far from my version of conservatism as I can imagine…not to mention a near perfect scaled representation of the Obamacare waiver business model.
(Here I resist to digress into a rant about elitism among our ruling class not being limited only to beltway snobs and the grotesque nature of, to quote Hayek, “socialists of all parties”.)
For what it’s worth, from my perspective here in North Texas, Mr. Perry is at his best (and quite good in general) during election years…during those off years he isn’t worth a warm bucket of piss.
Ntrepid
Proud Redstate Member since April 2006…?
“Everybody has an agenda. Except for me.” – Michael Crichton, State of Fear.
Cool it... -nt
BigRedConservative (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 12:57PM EDT (link)You know below the comment box, where it asks you to be respectful?
“a warm bucket of piss” doesn’t sound very respectful to me. Politeness costs nothing, you know.
And two and two always makes a five
It’s the devil’s way now
There is no way out
You can scream and you can shout
It is too late now
Radiohead
Actually, BigRed, ntrepid's point is valid
lineholder (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 1:16PM EDT (link)One of the things we’re up against is how government usurps the freedoms and rights of citizens, and then bends us to their own will in order to regain any semblance of those rights and freedoms.
It is this “helpful” subversion of our freedoms that we have to guard against the most, unfortunately.
The point's valid
BigRedConservative (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 1:32PM EDT (link)The delivery isn’t.
And two and two always makes a five
It’s the devil’s way now
There is no way out
You can scream and you can shout
It is too late now
Radiohead
Perhaps not, but if you go back and read through the comments in this thread
lineholder (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 1:47PM EDT (link)I can not only understand but also empathize with the frustration that broke through in how ntrepid responded. And I can assure that this isn’t typical for this ntrepid either.
This really isn’t the time to be making excuses or justifying it when candidates under consideration may display weaknesses of priorities. There’s too much at stake. I happen to share ntrepid’s frustration on that point, because there’s been a lot of this going on lately.
We need to be reviewing the hard cold reality of such things now so that we can make the best possible choice going into 2012.
One important detail in the review, lineholder, is that...
acat (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 6:44PM EDT (link)we each come to this with our own criteria.
NightTwister and others have stated they’lll most easily support a Governor. I believe executive experience in government matters and that a governor would have the easiest transition. That rules out Bachmann and Cain, eh?
The Governors in or “loitering with intent” on the Presidential stage include Johnson, Palin, Pawlenty, Perry, Roemer, and Romney.
Of those six, two are clearly squishy moderates – Roemer and Romney – one’s so libertarian he and Ron Paul can talk – Johnson – and two aren’t running – Perry and Palin.
Pawlenty’s flirtations with statism – cap-and-tax – have already been explored on Red State, but this is the first time we’re getting a good hash-out of the Gardasil issue as it relates to the POTUS race.
By my criteria, which I think I’ve gone over often enough, I don’t consider Perry or Pawlenty irrevocably damaged, and I think Perry’s the better public speaker, so .. has a better chance against the most recent media-candidate, Obama.
Mew
——

Caveat Suffragator
So lets contrast & compare
izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 1:44PM EDT (link)1.) Rick Perry “Mandates” HPV shots for girls with a parental opt-out.
2.) Republican nominee Romney “mandates” health insurance for an entire state which has turned into a disaster.
3.) The President of the US rammed down a health insurance “mandate” for 340 Million Americans, which is a disaster and will be the end of the republic if allowed to stand.
Hmmmmm, which one would I rather take my chance with???
1.) Warm bucket?
2.) Warming Mitt?
3.) Master of Disaster?
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
First of all…
ntrepid (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 3:11PM EDT (link)…thank you, lineholder for looking past my admittedly immature closing jab to see the greater point to my comment. You do get it.
Secondly, BigRedConservative, I apologize for my crudeness. However, I tend to regard the “Be Respectful” warning as applying to others posting comments and not these fragile politicos being discussed. (I’m sure Mrs. Palin…and many others…have never been so sullied on this bandwidth.) On that note, I was concerned that I was stepping across that line with tankertodd and dagnyt. That was not my intention…I just thought it best to address this issue directly. (The former has addressed me directly and effectively in at least one comment in the past and I am better for it. I should show more respect.)
Lastly, iozoneguy, I would suggest that all three examples you pose point to a common tendency that I alluded to in my parenthetical non-rant above. The only difference is the amount of power involved at the time. The point here is that now is the time to find the better option outside of this list before we are forced to make the choice you describe. But you probably new that already.
Thanks for playing.
Ntrepid
Proud Redstate Member since April 2006…?
(Thanks edintexas below – I was getting there, just had to break for lunch.)
“Everybody has an agenda. Except for me.” – Michael Crichton, State of Fear.
Fortunately, we have more than 3 choices
David123 (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 6:11PM EDT (link)Bachman and Pawlenty are already in the race, so either of them could stop Romney and go on to beat Obama. Minnesota does not MANDATE HPV vaccination.
Perry has warning signs:
mandatory HPV vaccinations, after his former chief of staff went to work for the drug company.
former Democrat
pushed massive NAFTA highway.
Together these indicate a bigger-government mentality than I’d like to see in a president.
At best, if Perry gets in the anti-Romney vote is split more ways making Romney the more likely nominee. Romney is not the strongest candidate because he cannot attack Obamacare as forcefully as the other candidates can.
Although Perry has warning signs, I don’t think he has skeletons. A skeleton would be a presidential candidate who launched his political career from a terrorist’s house. Or a presidential candidate who attended a church for many years where hatred of America was frequently expressed in the sermons. We certainly wouldn’t want to elect a presidential candidate with skeletons like that.
David123
David, both of them have their own problems...
acat (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 6:48PM EDT (link)Bachmann lacks executive experience, and that’s going to be a problem for some voters. I can say this because I’ve seen posts on Red State from long-time members for whom it’s a problem.
Pawlenty has his own flirtation with statism – cap-and-tax. He’s said he was wrong on the issue and appears to have learned his lesson.
If you’re not prepared to look at Perry’s actions and either cite why you believe Perry hasn’t learned his lesson, then I have to conclude your issue isn’t with statism, it’s with the nature of the vaccination, not the statism itself.
Mew
——

Caveat Suffragator
Part of my point is that this isn’t about “learning his lessons”…
ntrepid (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 6:59PM EDT (link)…it is about acting on his natural impulses (being himself) when the election year spotlight is not on him. In my opinion, he has proven himself very deft at playing the conservative pol on the campaign circuit and then reliably turning around to be so much less than advertised while on the job. From my perspective, David123 has a pretty good list started here.
Thanks for joining in.
Ntrepid
Proud Redstate Member since April 2006…?
“Everybody has an agenda. Except for me.” – Michael Crichton, State of Fear.
Sorry, ntrepid .. gotta disagree with ya.
acat (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 8:17PM EDT (link)People can and do (and most importantly – should) change as they grow into jobs.
Romney hasn’t grown, Perry .. the jury’s out for this cat but .. if the worst is the Gardasil thing, then .. colour me unimpressed. I was an early Daniels backer, for crying out loud – Perry is head and shoulders above Mitch.
Mew
——

Caveat Suffragator
Pawlenty's error on Cap&Tax is less worrisome than Perry's errors
David123 (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 10:17PM EDT (link)As you note, Pawlenty admits he was wrong. Also, when he made his error many people thought global warming was real. If your choice is either to burn up planet earth or enact Cap&Tax, enacting Cap&Tax sounds like a good idea. Of course, now that we see the East Anglia emails we know global warming is bunk, but earlier it was somewhat believeable.
Perry has at least three actions which show big-government tendencies; I don’t see it as a fatal error, and given the choice of only Perry, Romney, or Obama, I’d pick Perry. However, we have more choices than that.
As for Michele Bachman, I see executive experience as a very minor plus. Truman was a good president, and he didn’t have much prior executive experience. Carter had had plenty of prior executive experience and he didn’t work out so well. Obama’s big problem isn’t lack of prior executive experience; it’s the pro-Marxist anti-American attitude. Castro and Kim Jong-Il have lots of executive experience, and they’d make lousy presidents for the same reason.
Too many people are too shy about labeling the biggest problems with Obama, so they use “lack of executive experience” as a euphemism. Then they hold our candidates to this phony executive experience standard – wrong!
Michele Bachman isn’t shy about pointing toward Barrack Obam’s biggest problems – the skeletons that are in plain sight in Barrack Hussein Obama’s closet.
Michele Bachman has good instincts when it comes to limited government.
David123
One thing to consider. Not all of us didn't know who Obama was.
acat (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 10:42PM EDT (link)I knew who he was when he was still a state senator voting present…
Something for you to consider – what would, as you put it, “a pro-marxist anti-american” *with* executive experience have managed to accomplish? I’m very happy Obama lacks it, among other traits needed to be a success.
To borrow from Rush, I’m glad he’s failing.
That said, the inverse is most certainly true – we will need the best {darn} GOP president we can get – and I am *not* willing to give up executive experience to get good speaking skills. I want both.
Perry has both. He looks like he’d be a great candidate.
What I don’t know – and what you’re not helping me find out – is whether Perry would be a good president. You assert and you use your values to judge instead of just posting facts… even though it has to have dawned on you by now that I do not share all of your values.
Pawlenty .. with a good speech coach might be a good candidate – and would be a great president.
Bachmann .. gives a great speech and is fast on her feet in a debate, but … unless she has a time machine she can’t fix her lack of executive experience. I don’t think her experience as a tax lawyer will carry the day against the D.C. bureaucrats who will be out for blood if we win.
So. You think the Gardasil decision was bad. I agree – but only because it should have gone through the existing public health system, not the governors’ office. I have no problem with tollways being privately held – it’s working well in Indiana and for the City of Chicago*. Both sold off their tollways to outside firms.. (IIRC, Canada did something similar, back in the ’90s, if you want to look it up)
As for “former democrat”, give me a break. Until the 1980s, nobody in the South would vote for “the party of Abraham Lincoln”. The South used to treat the Dem primary as the “real” election – and there were both liberal and conservative Dems**. That’s all changed, but .. Perry’s old enough to have been under the wrong tag for part of his career. Heck, Perry isn’t even the only candidate in the race who used to be a Dem! Buddy Roemer, former governor of Louisiana, was a Dem for most of his career!
In short, David, the arguments against Perry are sounding, to this cat, like small change, not nearly as bad as anything Romney has to offer. Unless you’ve got some real beef with Perry, I have to conclude the Gardasil thing got under your skin. You’ll be glad to know, then, that there’s another vaccine in the works for boys, so they won’t spread the disease around.
Mew
* Note – the Chicago Skyway is not, never was, and never will be part of the Illinois Tollway System. It’s simple – the Illinois Tollway System is dominated by crooked republicans, Chicago and the Skyway are dominated by crooked democrats.
** Note – Chicago still runs this way – whoever wins the Dem primary is going to win the general election without spending another dime so .. except in extremely unusual circumstances, that’s the race to watch.
——

Caveat Suffragator
I'm sorry
Goldwater_Conservative (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 6:52PM EDT (link)what was wrong with pushing for a much needed north south highway, other than not pushing it all the way through?
That depends on how much eminent domain abuse…
ntrepid (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 7:35PM EDT (link)…was planned into the budget. (Oh, don’t get me started.)
Seriously, I don’t pretend to remember all of the details involved but much of the resistance on that issue stemmed from how that deal was handled. The resulting perception falls (1) well within the purview of my non-rant above and (2) somewhat more than the innocent sounding “pushing for” you suggest.
Thanks for joining in.
Ntrepid
Proud Redstate Member since April 2006…?
“Everybody has an agenda. Except for me.” – Michael Crichton, State of Fear.
I'm not a big Perry fan
Goldwater_Conservative (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 8:15PM EDT (link)but I think that was one of the really good initiatives that he pushed for. The reasoning against it was centered around 1. a Spanish company would build it and get some of the toll proceeds (so what) and 2. it would use emminent domain (I hate abuse of this tool but using it is constiutional for this use and would be appropriate). To me those that agrued against it were doing so in total ignorance or having it based on some conspiratorital notion that a foreign construction company building it will lead to the downfall of Texas somehow.
Gov. Rick Perry signed into law a bill that further limits government entities' ability to seize private property.
izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 11:39PM EDT (link)Texas eminent domain bill becomes law
http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2011/05/23/texas-eminent-domain-bill-becomes-law.html
Gov. Rick Perry signed into law a bill that further limits government entities’ ability to seize private property.
The legislation, Senate Bill 18, was one of Gov. Perry’s so-called emergency initiatives for the current legislative session, which ends May 30. It strengthens a property owner’s right to defend against eminent domain from government agencies and private entities. Both the United States and Texas constitutions prohibit taking private property without just compensation.
“Today is a proud day for Texas landowners,” said Joe Parker Jr., president of the Texas and Southwestern Cattle Raisers Association . “After years of hard work, Texas has new eminent domain law that will protect the private property rights of Texans; something TSCRA has been working toward for a very long time.”
House passes eminent domain bill
http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2011/04/14/house-passes-eminent-domain-bill.html
“Property ownership is an essential freedom for Texans and an important part of fulfilling the American dream,” the governor said, commending the Texas House for passing the bill. “I look forward to seeing this important legislation reach my desk.”
Provisions in the bill specify that taken property must be intended for public use, and that a property owner could buy back the land after 10 years if nothing is done with it. The House version of the bill gives the right to purchase the property at either the value of the land at the time it was targeted for seizure, or the current fair market value, whichever is less.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Perry sounds good so far to me....
realvoice2010 Monday, June 20th at 11:49PM EDT (link)Very few in the country know about Texas politics, so I think your 3 question comparison really puts things in perspective. I’ve recently heard Gov. Perry speak and like what he said about american exceptionalism. We’ve got to keep scrutinizing the candidates(GOP), but we need to comment on the good things that our GOP candidates say . Remember what the ultimate goal for 2012 is, to make O a one time president, but also to keep the house and gain in the senate.
The "Respect" is intended
edintexas Saturday, June 18th at 2:44PM EDT (link)I interpret the call for being respectful as one calling for us to be respectful to fellow Red Staters. I do not believe, for one nanosecond, that it is intended to include non-posting politicians of whatever stripe.
While I may not agree with his stand on Perry (although there are days…), he wasn’t dinging any Red State poster.
The vaccine issue
trutexan Saturday, June 18th at 5:12PM EDT (link)I’m totally against “mandated” vaccines. But…there are other factors at hand which I can understand since I’ve lived in South Texas the past 47 years and realize the culture down here. I discussed this very issue with my best buddy who happens to be Hispanic, a mother of 5, and has a masters in Biology and works at UT Health Science Center in San Antonio. She’s a big Democrat and even though she voted for Obama (she’s sorry about that), I still love her. Here was her take: (Warning – this is what we all say & know in private but won’t say publicly. It’s not PC).
Texas is predominantly Hispanic. Texas has one of the highest teen birth rates in the country. Texas has one of the highest teen drop-out rates in the country due to teen pregnancies. Those facts can lead one to easily understand 1) Lots of teen Hispanics are getting pregnant and 2) they are under-educated. Research has shown that Hispanics are largely unaware of HPV and its next-of-kin cervical cancer – and culturally don’t care to know about it either. Many Hispanic teens become sexually active very early in life (ages 11 & 12 are sadly not unheard of) and thousands of those girls are contracting HPV. Since the majority of 6th grade girls in this state are Hispanic, with parents who are unaware of HPV, they wouldn’t blink an eye about taking their daughters to the free clinic to get a free vaccine because the school requires it. Those 6th grade girls without the vaccine then grow up to be 74% of the 4.6 million new cases (nationally) of HPV each year. But the point of the mandated HPV vaccine was what I detest – The government thinking it knows better than you what is good for you and/or your children. But in this case she pointed out, the government is mostly right and she was disappointed that a small majority of social conservatives got into a snit about this and canned it and now hundreds of thousands of Hispanic teens will become an HPV statistic. And the state certainly can’t make it mandatory only for Hispanic girls can it?
From a dollar perspective: the State of Texas is going to pay for it either way. Which is cheaper? Paying for the vaccine? Or paying to treat cervical cancer, genital warts, HPV, etc.? Financially, I get it. From a government-intervention perspective, I hate it.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874420/
http://www.law.uh.edu/healthlaw/perspectives/2010/(CM)%20HPV.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874420/
http://www.law.uh.edu/healthlaw/perspectives/2010/(CM)%20HPV.pdf
Ted Cruz (R) for Texas Senate.
Obama – Forward!
Proverbs 4:12-15
A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a forward mouth. He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers; Forwardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord. Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy.
Excellent reality check, trutexan…
ntrepid (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 6:51PM EDT (link)…right up until the “The government thinking it knows better than you what is good for you and/or your children. But in this case…the government is mostly right” part.
Not directing anything at you personally, I can just try to drive home my point again: the government NEVER knows better than me. Additionally, if there is a case when the government thinks it knows better than me, it is its job to educate me to make that decision of my own free will (or not) and then leave me alone.
I know that does not provide the neat, clean answer to address the miserable conditions you describe in south Texas but that is what liberty is all about…empowering/allowing the Governor to do such violence to my freedoms to address such an issue is wrong and exactly the type of action that must lead to tyranny. If this is allowed, what’s next?
Finally, with respect to “And the state certainly can’t make it mandatory only for Hispanic girls can it?”, I say why not? As long as the Governor it assuming random authorities (and just plain making stuff up) there are no rules.
Thanks for the very educational comment.
Ntrepid
Proud Redstate Member since April 2006…?
“Everybody has an agenda. Except for me.” – Michael Crichton, State of Fear.
"The government never knows better than {ntrepid} " ...
acat (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 8:21PM EDT (link)is a fine sentiment for your life.
How do you break this down for those who trutexan describes? Are you arguing that they really do know what’s best, and are making a deliberate choice?
I’m not a statist, but .. I don’t see how this is any more overreach than the existing vaccination program. The problem seems to be that some folk just don’t know how to talk about the fact that kids are .. having much more non-casual contact .. than they’d like. In short, legislating based on the social mores of the minority…
Mew
——

Caveat Suffragator
But the overreach is very real and very wrong
ntrepid (Diary) Sunday, June 19th at 11:55AM EDT (link)I guess we all have our own pain thresholds for such things but, with all due respect, this one should be clear. Based on the discussion above we are to suppose that it is justifiable to separate all citizens from a right because a subsection of the public (1) may refuse to blindly accept a government giveaway that that government insists will improve their lives and/or (2) refuse to educate themselves (as parents in this case) to the potential benefit of a particular vaccination. Yes, it is slightly more complicated than that but…ultimately; I would say yes, they would be making a deliberate destructive choice. (Responsibilities come with citizenship.)
I hate to imagine an America (or a state) where all citizens must incrementally give up ever increasing numbers of rights to protect every subgroup that willingly engages in risky behavior an remains ignorant of the consequences and potential solutions available to them.
While you are entitled to your opinion…which may very well be more educated and valid than mine…I suggest we are at a point in our history when every encroachment on any right by government should be made against the stiffest of headwinds instead of just accepting them as close enough to some existing and already “accepted” program. The mission creep that follows that mentality…particularly within well established governmental bureaucracies…can be very destructive. Look no further than the EPA…(again, don’t get me started.)
Again, thank you and all who commented above for a spirited and civil dialog even though I came late to this discussion.
Ntrepid
Proud Redstate Member since April 2006…?
“Everybody has an agenda. Except for me.” – Michael Crichton, State of Fear.
I don't disagree with you in principle, ntrepid.
acat (Diary) Sunday, June 19th at 1:05PM EDT (link)And I definitely agree that we all have different pain thresholds. And different “avoidance” thresholds .. that is, talking openly about vaccinations for an STD is very difficult for some.
I agree Perry made a mistake here. I do not agree that it disqualifies him, although – given the nature of the vaccination – I think he’s got a tough job coming up with a narrative that’ll work. Stealing the “It’s the economy, stupid!” mantra from Clinton is probably his best bet to avoid the issue.
Public health is a very tricky business for conservatives because it conflicts two ideals – right to individual choices is in direct conflict with mitigating the health risk to all caused by an outbreak of, say, rubella.
In the case of HPV, a point trutexan made is that the kids (not just girls) most likely to be affected are also the ones most likely to be either abusing emergency rooms for health care or delaying treatment until it gets quite expensive .. then looking to Medicaid to pay for it. In short, the taxpayer is better off paying for prevention than for treatment.
Finally, HPV can also cause complications with pregnancy, and can be passed from mother to child, so preventing it in mothers keeps more children from being affected, mortally or not.
I don’t like the intrusion but, as with all vaccination “mandates”, this one comes with an opt-out .. and that puts it to where I can tolerate it.
I’m actually more {annoyed} at the ongoing mission creep of school lunches, and the big business that they’ve turned into. In some schools where lunches are a fed mandate, there is no opt-out – if your kid attends, he or she will eat the mass-produced nutritionally-questionable swill. That seems, to me, to be the nose of the camel that we need to object to.
Mew
——

Caveat Suffragator
I don't really see the difference between this
dajeeps (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 12:51PM EDT (link)and other vaccinations that are required to attend school. And I don’t really have a problem with that concept – in the context of considering a candidate for president – as long they understand and confirm they understand the difference in role in society between the Federal govt and a state government.
For me the case again Romney’s statism is a bit stronger because we was activly involed in pushing his solution at the national level in 2009. He says he holds the 10th amendment as a priority, but all other things considered, I think I need a rather large shaker of salt.
I am not sure that any of this really matters, though. Judging by what’s going on with the farm subsidies, and other things like the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, just to name a couple, the House is still soaked with statism and it is oozing out of every committee — business as ususal. The real truth is that the political class doesn’t give a hoot what we think; tea party or no. It’s going to go on until it can’t anymore, and hope that it is soon.
…”I would quarrel with both parties and with every individual of each, before I would subjugate my understanding, or prostitute my tongue or pen to either.”
–John Adams
This guys squeaky clean
Toby Calvert-Lee (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 1:32PM EDT (link)or else all would have been revealed by now. He’s our best candidate (besides, maybe, Bachmann) and he has been faithful to his wife since he was a teenager. You don’t win three terms as governor, and lt. governor, and ag. commisioner, with heavy personal baggage.
Your friend and fellow Conservative in the fight
– Toby Calvert-Lee
Twitter: @TobyCalvertLee
Seriously?
msctex (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 2:08PM EDT (link)Any Democrat who even mentions the word skeletons after supporting and electing Barrack Obama is opening a box which would make Pandora’s tame by comparison.
This is of course predicated upon having a candidate who is willing to broach and then tell the truth about his opponent. If Perry is the nominee, at the very least, that is what we will have. The contrast between Perry and McCain will be amazing to behold, and only underscore the degree to which McCain intentionally handed the last election to Obama.
Yes, imagine a debate between Rick Perry and Obama
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 2:16PM EDT (link)Obama: But you tied down young girls to give them shots…..
Perry: That progam was killed. No girls were ever given any shots.
Obama: But you signed the executive order “mandating” that shots be given.
Perry: Well Mr. President there you go again. Let’s talk about a law YOU passed that mandates every American buy insurance. ObamaCare is strangling America and I will repeal it.
Obama: OK, lets see what the American voters think.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Denial will be their undoing.
msctex (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 3:25PM EDT (link)The most extreme, borderline pathological degree of capital “D” Denial is as much of what defines a true Progressive as anything. And if they don’t come to their senses very quickly, they are going to find themselves horrified as exactly what you describe transpires, only worse and over and over again. Every issue will be a home run ball.
The true degree of Obama’s failure will not be recognized until he is out of office, and grownups have a chance to see the Books as they really are. (Imagine the “Clinton Surplus” in reverse.) But Perry in this scenario has more to work with than any candidate in American history, hands down.
Amen, msc
Duke Saturday, June 18th at 9:43AM EDT (link)you touched on exactly what I was thinking: American, in 2008, elected a guy President that didn’t have ‘baggage,’ his story was right there in his hands in front of the whole world. His friends were, at best, crooks and, at worst, murderers who wrapped their death in the cloak of “protest.” If any Republican candidate for President had a friend like Ayers he would have been banished from politics forever as a non-serious laughingstock. Barack gets elected by mouthing some platitude.
Our Moonbat President has tons of so-called baggage yet to be explored in a reelection bid against the likes of Gov. Perry. All it takes is the right campaign team to exploit the items so overlooked by the media three or four years ago.
It’s not about a purge. It’s about an insurrection.
But the Dems know that.
msctex (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 7:38PM EDT (link)Saddled with what is now undeniably the first disastrous American Presidency as well as poll numbers which reflect the fact, and given all the unopened luggage you cite above, the Democratic Party is now faced with a situation not at all unlike Carter in 1979, with Perry potentially playing the part of Ronald Reagan.
They KNOW what will happen once a rational fiscal policy is implemented: quite possibly at least 12 straight years of Republican Presidential power, as the insane restraints they have placed on the economy are removed, and the engine roars back to life. So: how to best salvage the situation, and quite possibly save their Party from overdue extinction? I think Barry is going to have to come to understand this job is simply beneath him, in some form or fashion.
In-state tuition for illegals?
zaxour Friday, June 17th at 2:20PM EDT (link)I would say his only other blemish is the in-state tuition for illegal aliens. However, he also signed a Voter ID law and has been pushing for tougher border enforcement. Not sure if this is a deal breaker for me even.
Forest for the trees
mustango (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 2:27PM EDT (link)I think there’s a case of not seeing the forest for the trees (I hope I used that cliche correctly) with Texans when it comes to Perry. Anyone in this state who is inclined to hold a grudge against the man can find something that’s happened in the last decade that would justify it.
That’s just a side effect of something called “being in office”.
There’s 49 other states that are distant enough to see the bigger picture. A state that gained four electoral votes while only one other state gained as many as two. A state that was minimally impacted by the housing crash (albeit largely because it also by and large sat out the bubble). A state to which jobs continue to flee. That’s gotta be a case of somebody doing something right.
“I just miss — I miss being anonymous.” — Barack Obama
I fully sympathize, Mr. President. I miss you being anonymous too.
You are correct - Rick Perry is the only one with enough mojo
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 2:35PM EDT (link)To git her done!!!
And that is booting Obama out of office……
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Have to agree there
aesthete (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 8:56PM EDT (link)Governers are going to do and pass things that quite frankly suck. There is no “pure” governor out there.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
I plan on backing Perry if he jumps in
victrola Friday, June 17th at 2:39PM EDT (link)but at the same time, I don’t think we should immediately dismiss all rumors against candidates we like, that’s a suicide pact. Just because someone shares our political ideology doesn’t automatically mean they have never had any moral failings.
I have absolutely no idea of what rumors are floating around about him, but I think it goes without saying that I don’t want to throw an election against Obama because our candidate ended up having personal issues that we ignored because we liked his stump speeches.
The Guardasil “scandal” will be a non-issue in the general, but I could see someone making some hay with it in the GOP primary. The general election worries I have with Perry are that he may comes across as fringe because of some of the offhand “secession” comments he made (even though I think it’s been blown out of proportion), and his “stemwinder” speeches may paint his as a rabble-rouser (I personally think he needs to tone it down), and also the lazy comparisons the MSM will make to try and morph Perry into Bush 2.0 because he was also Governor of Texas.
No candidate is perfect, and sometimes you just have to put up with these flaws, but I can still absolutely see Perry beating Obama, and I think he would be a very solid conservative in office.
"I don’t think we should immediately dismiss all rumors against candidates we like, that’s a suicide pact"
Nixons_The_One (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 4:32PM EDT (link)Well stated. The GOP’s last winning candidate, George W Bush, also had a very long time in the spotlight in Texas- as Rick Perry has, GW Bush as the governor for 6 years, as son of the president, and owner of the Texas Rangers. The DUI charge only came to light in the last few days of the 2000 election, and likely cost GW Bush votes in a very close election (Bush makes this point in his book).
Repubs have only themselves to fear
Doc Holliday (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 4:41PM EDT (link)Many insiders and a significant percentage of the GOP electorate are afraid of their own shadows. The MSM ALREADY thinks our candidates have baggage, because they are Republicans.
You know, I really don’t give a flying fish about what some operative digs up on our candidate. I don’t care if the guy stuffed a dear head in a mail box or a fish down his pants. The problem we have is we have a coalition that turns on itself at the drop of a hat. And one of the legs of the stool expect candidates to be the Second Coming.
I expect man to be sinful and fallen, this is why I want someone to reduce the size of government. I want the lechers in government to have as little impact on my life as possible. I have my own problems, I don’t need theirs too.
Molon Labe!
5. 5. 5. (holds up lighter)
acat (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 4:54PM EDT (link)We may quibble about the details, Doc.. I likely wouldn’t use as much religious imagery.. but that right there? That’s the deal. I want government off my back, out of my career, out of my garage, out of my basement, out of my car, off my lawn, out of my life wherever possible.
Get me a candidate who can win, and who supports that agenda – and Perry fits that to a ‘T’ – and I’m in.
Mew
p.s. – in order:
My career – sarbox and hippa diverted money from projects that made business-sense to projects that made sense for the auditors, meanwhile tax rates have continued to climb and less and less can be written off.
My garage – storage and disposal of hazardous chemicals like .. paint thinner, gasoline, old paint, fertilizers, weed killers..
My basement – that’s where the hot water tank is so .. mandated hot water temperature standards, mandated hot water tank safety features like “won’t start if there’s gas fumes” that add to the cost of replacements even though I don’t store gasoline or paint thinner down there, and .. oh yeah, mandated efficiency for hot water tanks that make fast-recovery tanks difficult to sell…
My car – fuel efficiency standards, air quality standards, fuel additive requirements, turbocharger waste gate standards, emissions checks…
My lawn – floods a couple times a year .. so is it a wetland and can the EPA tell me I can’t change the drainage? Also, what about the local government, who can’t replace the undersized street storm drains because of a Federally mandated requirement that they build a detention pond rather than just dumping it into the river?
——

Caveat Suffragator
What's the harm in being cautious?
victrola Friday, June 17th at 5:33PM EDT (link)The voters that decide these elections unfortunately vote on the person instead of the platform. That’s why their “independent” voters, they can’t decide on an ideology, one election they’ll vote for Bush the next election they’ll vote for Obama.
Of course it’s a ridiculous that someone would pick a President based on whether you’d like to “have a beer with them”, but unlikable candidates aren’t good vote getters, and a quick way to be unlikable is to look scandalous.
A huge part of Reagan’s success was he was charming and beloved by Americans whereas Barry Goldwater came off with a scowl. One lost in one of the biggest landslides of all time and the other won the largest landslide of all time, even though their platforms were nearly identical.
If a possible candidate had numerous affairs (like Newt), to me they’re instantly disqualified. I don’t really care how great the candidates’ platform is, at the end of the day, most voters (especially female) will be disgusted by a man that can’t be faithful to his wife, and that’s all they’ll see. I want a contest of ideas and the best way to make sure that happens is to nominate people with clean backgrounds.
I want Rick Perry to be President, but if Republican circles are saying there’s rumors flying around about him, only an idiot would ignore that. My guess is there’s nothing to them, but no one is talking like this about Bachmann, Romney, Chris Christie, or Pawlenty, so it is of great concern to me.
That is what Mclellan used to say
Doc Holliday (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 5:43PM EDT (link)all presidential candidates are vetted one way or the other. We can’t please the MSM and many independents no matter what we do. It matters not whom we nominate, they will be smeared and their will be “scandalous revelations” prior to election, deal with it.
We need to be on offense now, not on defense. Sometimes our biggest problem is ourselves.
Molon Labe!
McClellan
Doc Holliday (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 5:44PM EDT (link)sp
Molon Labe!
It's amazing what politicians think the public won't find out about
victrola Friday, June 17th at 4:50PM EDT (link)and yes, the DUI revelation nearly cost Bush the election, had he got out in front of it early on, it would have been a non-issue. Dubya was someone who had been in the political world his whole life, so that hardly means someone has been fully vetted because they’ve been in the “game” for a while.
I tend to think we’re going to win in 2012, but if there’s any personal skeletons in our eventual nominee’s closet, all bets are off. Scandals hurt GOP candidates WAY more than they do Democrats, and the MSM looks twice as hard to find them and will make sure they’re aired out 24/7. That’s why people like Newt are complete non-starters, their personal life is simply too messy, and I want to know what we’re looking at before we jump in.
The 2008 election was the Democrats’ to lose, but can you imagine if Edwards had gotten the nomination? I want a full colonoscopy of all GOP candidates before we go up against Obama.
Texas Resident Prefers not Perry
Nuclearnerd (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 3:23PM EDT (link)Rick is great at what he does in Texas. The governor has very few powers in Texas. We don’t trust politicians so we limit all their powers. The US government is not like this. I do not trust Perry’s judgement or ability to pick the several thousand appointees he will need. He is also a career politician, 7 years as a farmer between Air Force and TX Senate. He is great for Texas, that does not mean he is great for the US.
Join the RedState Strike Force
So who do you think could beat Obama?
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 3:39PM EDT (link)That is the issue here.
We need to pick the person who will run against Obama.
Last time it was McCain……
Our country cannot afford to pick wrong again….
Perry/Jindhal 2012
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Not enough
wennejunk (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 4:38PM EDT (link)Its not enough to say who can beat Obama. Romney can do that. What needs to be asked is, “After beating Obama, who has the skill and courage to lead this country back to sanity and stability?”
There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, in the end, ‘Thy will be done.’ -C. S. Lewis
The usual formulation, wenne...
acat (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 4:55PM EDT (link)is “The most conservative candidate who can win in the general election”.
We can certainly do better than Romney, what this discussion is trying to determine is if Perry is actually better.
Who do you support?
Mew
——

Caveat Suffragator
Right Now?
wennejunk (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 5:16PM EDT (link)Of the declared candidates: anybody but Romney, Paul, Gingrich or Huntsman. None of the last 4 are the incarnations of evil, however, just not on my list of reasonable solutions.
There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, in the end, ‘Thy will be done.’ -C. S. Lewis
Obama-Lite will not win the election
civil truth (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 5:00PM EDT (link)…you need a different brand. Not sure that Romney can convince conservatives or swing voters that he’s offering a different brand rather than a low-calorie version of Obama. So far he’s not doing a good job.
Gov. Perry offers a different brand. Whether he puts it on the market and whether the decision-makers like it sufficiently to distribute it nationally remains to be seen.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
Romney cannot beat Obama
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 5:07PM EDT (link)Obama will beat Romney to death with RomneyCare – even though Obama has ObamaCare……
The libs are afraid of Rick Perry. That is what we need.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Moe Howard lookalike
tailfins1959 Friday, June 17th at 3:31PM EDT (link)Do a Google images search on Moe Howard and one on Rick Perry. I hope Perry visits an image consultant before he announces. And yes, I think he (Perry) would be a good nominee and/or President. However, I can’t stop laughing when I juxtapose the two photos.
You have the right to quit Toxic People. (They’re contagious.) ~Dr. SunWolf
Uh, no.
Bill S (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 3:38PM EDT (link)I had the privilege of spending some time with Gov. Perry last summer, and I assure you he looks nothing like that.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Given how desperate the D's were to beat
Jonbontx Friday, June 17th at 4:15PM EDT (link)Rick Perry in the 2010 election, and even THEY weren’t able to come up with anything. Would have to agree with Erick that there may not be much else hidden.
Given how desperate the D's were to beat
Jonbontx Friday, June 17th at 4:15PM EDT (link)Rick Perry in the 2010 election, and even THEY weren’t able to come up with anything. Would have to agree with Erick that there may not be much else hidden.
They spent millions and lost big
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 4:37PM EDT (link)Interview with Democratic Donor Steve Mostyn
This guy hates Rick Perry.
He is probably on Redstate reading this.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Funding of the Democratic Party in Texas
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 4:44PM EDT (link)http://thesteadyconservative.com/wordpress/2010/09/01/funding-of-the-democratic-party-in-texas/
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Well, we can always go through his emails.
Tbone (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 4:27PM EDT (link)That seems to be the new litmus test.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
5!
civil truth (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 4:31PM EDT (link)You rang the bell with this comment.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
Not to mention
jomo2009 Friday, June 17th at 4:34PM EDT (link)he once removed the tag from his new mattress.
2012 GOP: Mitt Romney, Rick Perry and their 800-pound gorillas
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 4:49PM EDT (link)2012 GOP: Mitt Romney, Rick Perry and their 800-pound gorillas
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/2011/06/2012-gop-mitt-romney-rick-perry-and-800-pound-gorilla#ixzz1PZIq7Njv
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
In my opinion,
phenry Friday, June 17th at 6:23PM EDT (link)there’s just a little bit too much smoke for there not to be fire. That’s smoke in the media and smoke I hear under the radar. I guess if there’s really nothing on him he’ll run and prove everybody wrong. Well Perry, you should just know that should you run for president anything you might have done will come out, and if you’re not in the clear you’ll end up worse off than Weiner.
Is that smoke making a gurgling noise?
blooch Friday, June 17th at 7:00PM EDT (link)It may not be coming from under the radar.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Sometimes smoke can be enough, without fire
pat1 Saturday, June 18th at 12:40AM EDT (link)I happen to think Perry will be a very strong candidate, but I can’t help remembering what happened to McCain in the South Carolina primary, when rumors circulated that his adopted daughter was actually his illegitimate birth daughter. If a primary opponent happens to quietly circulate the rumors about Perry – and a fellow Republican would have more credibility than a Democrat – that might be enough to do him in.
I guess you’re right, if he runs it shows confidence that nothing can possibly come out, and all indications are that he’s in – so again, to me, he remains the most interesting candidate. As soon as he announces I think he’ll catapult to the front of the field.
Ah, the McCain myth from SC 2000
Adjoran (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 2:37AM EDT (link)It had no impact on the primary whatsoever. The so-called “push poll” amounted to no more than 200 phone calls made by an upstate preacher, his daughter-in-law, and his wife in one day. There was one State Republican official who forwarded an email about it, he lost his job. There was nothing connected to the Bush campaign, ever. And McCain himself gave the story most of the press it did get.
McCain lost that primary in the final debate when Bush challenged him on negative campaigning and McCain vehemently denied his campaign did any such personal attacks. Bush then reached in his coat pocket and pull out a flier which had been distributed the previous weekend (the debate was on Monday, I think) which were nasty attacks on Bush, paid for by the McCain campaign.
McCain was caught lying to South Carolina on live TV. That’s why he got his butt kicked.
Perry’s Spineless NON-Conservative Facts
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 6:50PM EDT (link)1 – Was Al Gore’s Presidential campaign manager for the state of Texas.
2 – Switched from democrat to the Republican Party when Bush asked him to because he saw Texas moving more conservative, and knew his political career would end for a state-wide office.
3 – No respect for land owners rights – TTC, Communists take away your land, not true Patriots.
4 – No respect for parental rights – HPV vaccine, Communists overrule parental rights, not true Patriots.
5 – Refused to VETO the recent 2011 SBOE re-districting map, which was drawn behind closed doors and submitted at the last minute on the morning of the committee hearing without a chance for public debate, to eliminate Conservatives on the board. This recent action proves Perry is no true Conservative.
6 – Last but not least, he’s been talking and talking and talking and talking border security for ten years. He had a rainy day fund he could have used part of to protect the citizens of Texas, HE TOOK A SWORN OATH WITH HIS HAND ON A BIBLE”…ON A BIBLE…TO DO, but he didn’t…PERIOD.
Arlene Specter switched parties too years ago, and we heard the truth out of his mouth when he returned, “I feel like I never left home.”
When you step back, and look at the six facts above, no true American would even consider the traitorous actions above of attempting to inoculate a child for HPV against a parent’s wishes or stealing rancher’s land in the biggest land grab in Texas history. That is not how a freedom loving Patriot’s mind operates. It is however how a fox in a sheep’s cloths, A SOCIALIST’S, operates though.
Perry never left the democrat Communist Party of the USA.
Ronald Reagan also switched from democrat to the Republican Party
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 6:52PM EDT (link)And he was not too shabby.
Looks like everyone in Austin is awake now.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
TopGun - you guys cannot bring up the same things
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 7:02PM EDT (link)On every post you make slamming Perry.
There is enough info out there to refute all of your assertions.
Rick has thrown Gore under the bus.
The TTC is dead.
Their was an opt-out in the HPV vaccine case.
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/executive-order/3455/
Parents’ Rights.The Department of State Health Services will, in order to protect the right of parents to be the final authority on their children’s health care, modify the current process in order to allow parents to submit a request for a conscientious objection affidavit form via the Internet while maintaining privacy safeguards under current law.
Border security -
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/9479/
Feds again tell Perry no more guardsmen
Homeland Security chief says governor can call up more units to border anytime — at Texas’ expense
Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7206714.html#ixzz1PZqmja2T
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
You Ignore the Main Point
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 7:15PM EDT (link)A true Patriot would have…key word here…”never” attempted those items in the first place. Those thoughts would never have been evaluated in their mind.
It does not matted what did not get passed.
Patriots think how can I defend freedom. Socialists think how can I take away your rights / land / freedom.
Understand?
A "true Patriot?"
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 7:21PM EDT (link)Oh give me a break.
Seriously?
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Archie Bunker
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 7:27PM EDT (link)I wonder how Archie would have responded to someone making fun of asking for a true Patriot?
I guess it truly shows how far this country has fallen when simply asking for a true Patriot is looked down on.
Archie Bunker would make some racist crack
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 7:56PM EDT (link)Given that Archie Bunker, the fictional character, was a pro-union racist, if you’re siding with him I just have to ask again.
Seriously?
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Faults
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 8:33PM EDT (link)Yeah, Archie had his bad points, but I believe the person he portrayed was an American loving Patriot overall.
The character of Archie Bunker was intentionally created
aesthete (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 9:06PM EDT (link)as a negative stereotype of conservatives. He was later ret-conned into being more “politically incorrect” than outright racist because he was a lot more popular of a character than his weaselly son, but he was originally conceived by the liberal writers of the show as a flyover country foil to the enlightened protagonist.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
The HPV opt-out was hardly simple, although there may have been two opt-out possibilities
David123 (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 8:20PM EDT (link)For a parent to opt-out their child for reasons of consceince, they first had to make a request for an opt-out form.
http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/immunize/school/school_faq_parents.shtm
Then they have to fill out the opt-out form and submit it.
So the default position would have been that the HPV vaccination was mandatory, and the opt-out process is cumbersome. Also it states that you opt-out as a conscientious objector. Now the way that worked with the draft is that you might be approved as a conscientious objector to all wars, but you were never approved as a conscientious objector to selective wars. If it worked the same way for HPV vaccination, a family whose religious convictions forbad all vaccinations could opt-out, but a family who merely wanted their daughter to avoid HPV vaccination could not.
You did not mention this, but another opt-out possibility would be if a girl’s doctor felt that the HPV vaccination was contra-indicated for the girl for medical reasons. I do not know how complicated the medical opt-out would be.
Bottom Line: a mandatory vaccination program for a disease that cannot be spread by casual contact is a poor idea, even if there is some way to opt-out from the vaccination.
David123
Good, Well Thought Out Post
cpaguy Friday, June 17th at 8:57PM EDT (link)Unfortunately, it will go on deaf ears here. However, the internet is ablze with people spreading the truth about Perry: OK guy…but a RINO who has engaged in cronyism.
There are 2 serial spammers here who seem to be the Perry advance team or something…testing the grass roots support for him or something.
I like Perry enough for Texas. He has little power, and usually, when he tries to take away Freedom from the citizens, the legislature and the grassroots rebel against him (though it sometimes takes them a bit of time to figure out what Perry is up to).
There is nothing wrong with vetting a potential candidate.
Additionally, candidates saying sorry for past decisions that are now politically harmful are not generally sufficient for them now to get a blank slate now that it is politically necessary for them to hold a different viewpoint.
Your use of the word "spammer" is incorrect, cpaguy.
acat (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 2:58AM EDT (link)To “spam”, one has to say the same thing over and over. It derives from a sketch by the Brit comedy troupe Monty Python. It’s on YouTube, go look it up.
The closest thing to a “spammer” here is .. you. You keep bringing up the same issues, keep posting weak proof (when you bother to post any) and refuse to state who’s paying you even though it’s quite clear you’ve got an agenda.
My guess is still that you’re the advance team for Romney… if you don’t strangle Perry’s candidacy in its’ crib, you know Romney can’t win. (Unlike Pawlenty, who I like, Perry won’t go soft in the debates)
Oh, and your “I like Perry…he has little power” is disingenuous – yes, in the Texas system, the real power is with the Lt. Gov .. a position Perry *also* held. Did you “like Perry enough for Texas” then?
Mew
——

Caveat Suffragator
One or two little flaws, David....
acat (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 2:53AM EDT (link)I’m not from Texas, but .. around here, there’s two groups who do vaccinations. County Health Departments, and private doctors.
Opting out would likely eliminate getting the vaccine from County Health, but .. nothing’s preventing asking the doctor to vaccinate against measles anyway. That is, a selective opt-out.
Further, I’m not aware of any other vaccination that’d take place around the same time as the HPV vaccination was supposed to take place. So, just get all the other shots done and *then* “opt out”.
In short, there’s a hole I could drive a semi through in your argument… and I continue to reject your assertion that vaccinating for a disease that kills people and causes problems with pregnancies (thus killing more people .. or fetuses, if you’re of the “not a baby until it’s born” school) even though it can’t be picked up from a toilet seat.
Mew
——

Caveat Suffragator
Try Disputing the Facts Next Time
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 7:08PM EDT (link)Yeah, Reagan’s actions supported his switch just a tiny bit more than Perry’s actions support his switch. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see the truth.
Thanks for the Austin reference to insinuate I’m a liberal / Communist. I’m always up for a good laugh. How many Communists do you know reference the Bible in a positive way? You might want to think about that next time you try to insinuate I’m a liberal / Communist.
I guess you have problems clicking links
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 7:25PM EDT (link)And reading material and making connections…..
Why should the taxpayers in Texas pay for something that is a federal responsibility?
The governor of a state cannot command federal employees to do anything.
I will post this link again.
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/9479/
Obama thinks border security is a joke.
Texas border security situation is not a joking matter
Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/7570877.html#ixzz1PZvI7VgN
By dismissively joking about moats and alligators, the president is ignoring the dangerous situation threatening our border communities. We need the Obama administration to finally get serious about securing what Sheriff Gonzalez correctly called an “unprotected, wide open and extremely porous” border with Mexico.
President Obama should start listening to state and local law enforcement officials, stop treating border violence like a joke and get serious about securing the border.
http://governor.state.tx.us/files/homeland/Border-Security-Report.pdf
Members of the Border Security Council traveled along the border during the fall and winter of 2007 to listen to the concerns of the border residents and obtain their input. The Council heard from city and county officials, state leaders, and local citizens. Public hearings were held in five locations: McAllen, Laredo, El Paso, San Antonio, and Corpus Christi. The Council believed that it was important to travel to all areas of the border in order to get a comprehensive understanding of the issues and needs for different areas along the border, a coastal corridor, and a major inland metropolitan area.
Major themes that arose out of the hearings included :
The federal government has not done enough to secure the border.
Governor Perry and the Texas Legislature have shown leadership on this issue.
Border security should not undermine economic development.
Current federal grant requirements are confusing and geared toward more inland cities, such as Houston.
The State should not exceed the scope of its authority, such as funding local and state officers to conduct immigration investigations at the workplace.
Resources should be enhanced to better detect and deter northbound and southbound smuggling.
Local, state, and federal law enforcement along the border need an enhanced radio communications capability to support operations and better ensure officer safety.
Overtime for law enforcement officers does increase patrol capacity but eventually exceeds the officers’ ability to use it, and funding for additional local officers is needed.
Unified policing operations such as Linebacker, Rio Grande, Wrangler, and Border Star are effective.
The Salt Cedar and Carrizo Cane that grows unabated along the Rio Grande River impedes border security enforcement operations and poses a threat to local, state, and federal law enforcement officers.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
I Guess You Have a Problem Understanding
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 7:35PM EDT (link)that when an elected official places their hand on the Bible and takes a sworn oath to protect and defend the citizens of a state, he needs to honor that oath, regardless of what the Federal government fails to do.
Try reading the Constitution of the State of Texas, and the rights the document gives the Governor to protect the citizens without reciting a bunch of federal rhetoric from the Communist-in-Chief .
What do you want Rick to do???
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 7:54PM EDT (link)The federal government has not done enough to secure the border.
Governor Perry and the Texas Legislature have shown leadership on this issue.
If it were me I would have a daily naplam run.
Gun turrets every 100 yards.
Look at Arizona. They pass a lousy law and get jumped by the feds.
I guess you would want Rick to push for secession?
Once Rick becomes President you will see border security.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Ten Years and Nothing but Dead Policemen
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 8:26PM EDT (link)What do I want Ricky to do? Hmm. Let’s see. Oh yeah, I know, howz about growing a spine, and being a man, you know, like standing behind your word. I think that would be known as standing behind your oath to protect and defend the people of Texas.
Perry and the Texas Legislature have shown as much leadership as the federals have shown. All hat, no cattle. Just a bunch of drug store cowboy keyboard warriors sending out a public statement every once in a while to pacify the public.
“If it were me I would have a daily naplam run. Gun turrets every 100 yards.” Perry has this authority to use any means necessary to protect the citizens, so where, in ten years, has he acted to reduce the danger? It has become extremely worse, not better, but then when you actually live away from it…
“Look at Arizona. They pass a lousy law and get jumped by the feds. I guess you would want Rick to push for secession?” Secession? Nah. I love my country. Just need some true Patriots, not more RINOs acting as Conservatives. That Sheriff in Arizona has more backbone than Perry, and Texas has the slogan, Don’t Mess With Texas, hmm….something doesn’t fit that or maybe it’s Perry doesn’t fit the slogan?
“Once Rick becomes President you will see border security.” Ten years of no serious action isn’t enough evidence for you? Wow…just Wow.
Tell you what...
Bill S (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 8:45PM EDT (link)Why don’t you tell us who YOU support and why.
Second, dial it back. You have three moderators who are already weary of your demeanor here. On current course and speed, you won’t make it thru the night on this site.
Third, in relation to this request – go read this before you post next.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Ten Years and Nothing but Dead Policemen
izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 9:52AM EDT (link)Head of ATF Is Likely to Go
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304453304576392023631543738.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Popper – it’s a federal issue. I know you are numb from the neck up so I will give you a break.
Perry/Jindhal 2012
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Reading Comprehension can be Your Friend
TopGun Sunday, June 19th at 12:19PM EDT (link)“Popper – it’s a federal issue. I know you are numb from the neck up so I will give you a break.
Perry/Jindhal 2012″
Again try reading the Constitution for Texas and the powers it gives the governor to protect the people.
Your refusal to acknowledge this truth proves you are the one numb from the neck up as well as you thinking a national ticket with two people from states right next to each other in the south would be a winning national ticket.
"How many Communists do you know reference the Bible in a positive way?"
Martin Knight (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 12:01AM EDT (link)Quite a lot of them do, actually.
Especially when they’re trying to be “ironic” or mobying …
Or, Martin, when they're citing Acts 6 ...
acat (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 12:38AM EDT (link)to prove that Communism and community-living really mean the same thing….
Mew
——

Caveat Suffragator
The left loves it some Socialist Jesus nt
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 1:38AM EDT (link)“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
QUIZ
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 8:05PM EDT (link)When you say Ronald Reagan wasn’t too shabby, how would you consider ignoring the Constitution when he signed the Amnesty legislation:
A – Just a little Shabby
B – Not too Shabby
C – Shabby
D – Politically Correct
E – FAILURE
For extra points, would you consider the present illegal immigration invasion, not too shabby?
How is a law passed by congress ignoring the constitution.
gekster (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 8:17PM EDT (link)Ya gotta explain that to me.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
Well, Let's see...
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 8:36PM EDT (link)When you create legislation that usurps the immigration laws, I believe that can be considered ignoring the Constitution, whuch you think?
It didn't userp, it reformed, allowable under the constitution.
gekster (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 8:47PM EDT (link)The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99-603, 100 Stat. 3359, enacted November 6, 1986, also Simpson-Mazzoli Act, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law.
Blinders must be getting heavy.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
Reform or Retard
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 9:06PM EDT (link)I thought when you reform something, you are improving it. It sure looks like we went backwards.
I think the politicians are the ones wearing the blinders, don’t you? I mean they are the ones running the show, and look where we are.
Great explanation. Got a coherent arguement in that somewhere.
gekster (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 9:20PM EDT (link)You know, something along the lines of why you think it’s bad.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
Coherent Argument? Sure
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 9:30PM EDT (link)Here is my “argument”:
Illegal Alien Crime in America:
• 12 Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens. It translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens.*
• 13 Americans are killed each day by drunk illegal aliens drivers, for an annual total death toll of 4,745.*
• 8 American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day, for an annual total of 2,920.*
* Quotes from U.S. Representative Steve King, R-Iowa.
Is that Coherent enough for you?
Is that “bad” enough for you?
Ok, so how does your reasons make the law under Reagan unconstitutional.
gekster (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 9:40PM EDT (link)You gave me reasons for being against amnesty, but no proof it’s unconstitutional.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
The "I believe" school of constitutional interpretation is what liberals do
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 9:37PM EDT (link)All Obama has to do is say “I believe the Constitution requires the government to do certain things because of the equal protection clause”.
Changing a law is not a violation of the Constitution.
Changing a law in a manner that violates the Constitution is a violation of the constitution.
The Constitution permits an income tax, but it does not require the existence of an income tax. Do you understand the difference?
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Making changes to law the law is Unconstitutional?
gpclaw Friday, June 17th at 9:46PM EDT (link)When you create legislation that usurps the immigration laws
Are you suggesting that congress can’t create law, that makes changes to an existing law?
By your logic, we’re stuck with ObamaCare, because any legislation that usurps ObamaCare would be ignoring the Constitution?
Deem and Pass is unconstitutional
Juggernaut (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 7:36PM EDT (link)but its how dems and gop pushed bills through to pretend its a form of political cover. You’re right amnesty isn’t unconstitutional, its been used before and never beaten in the courts.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/86985-rules-memo-outlines-dem-plan-to-pass-healthcare-bill-without-actual-vote
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/03/16/4436482-explaining-deem-and-pass
RomneyCare is Right Wing Socialism –
Romney “severely conservative”? That’s the opposite of a “compassionate conservative” like George W. Bush? Actually, we know what a severely conservative is. It’s Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney is no Dick Cheney.
Hey TopGun
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 8:24PM EDT (link)So who do you like? You hate Perry, You hate Reagan.
Let me guess: Ron Paul?
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Wide Open for a True Leader
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 8:47PM EDT (link)Let’s see, hmm, who do I like, oh yeah, nobody at this point. I guess that leaves me feeling the same as a lot of true Patriots right about now, doesn’t it?
Hey Neil, don’t put words in my mouth I have not typed. I haven’t said I hate anyone, OK? I have simply pointed out flaws where people have not lived up to their oath of office, something I consider very honorable a person should execute if taken.
And thanks for the fishing question to see if I’m a, what do you call them, Paulinistas? He doesn’t support Israel, end of story.
TopGun hates the ability of Congress and the President to change the law
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 11:32PM EDT (link)Changes to pre-existing laws are apparently unconstitutional in his view. Using his logic, George W ursuped income tax law by changing tax rates.
I wonder if he considers the repeal of a constitutional amendment to be unconstitutional? Was the repeal of prohibition prohibited? It ursuped a prior constitutional amendment.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
There is nothing unconstitutional about amnesty
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 9:29PM EDT (link)Its not an objective that I agree with, but you are throwing terms around in a way that shows you don’t understand what they mean.
If Congress and the President want to, they can remove all immigration laws. There is nothing unconstitutional about that.
The constitution authorizes the federal government to enact immigation laws, but it does not require any particular law to be in place.
I am not in favor of amnesty, whether per se or de facto. But when words have meaning, and you are misusing them. The U.S. Constitution provides no prohibition against the loosening of immigration laws.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
When did...
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 9:47PM EDT (link)not following the immigration law of the land, giving amnesty, become considered not unconstitutional?
unconstitutional
–adjective
not constitutional; unauthorized by or inconsistent with the constitution, as of a country.
homer, you said the law passed under Reagan was unconstitutional.
gekster (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 9:53PM EDT (link)The question is not about FOLLOWING THE LAW. it’s about congress changing the law.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
I Did Not Say That
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 10:24PM EDT (link)I said Reagan “ignored” the Constitution, meaning he ignored the present immigration law at the time, by replacing it with a new one instead of enforcing the present law on the books, period.
And we have gotten off the topic of the thread by discussing Reagan…my fault.
Ok then, tell me....
gekster (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 10:40PM EDT (link)just how did Reagan “ignore’ the constitution by signing new immigration law.
How did he “not follow immigration law” by signing a new law.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
Congress can change immigration laws
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 9:54PM EDT (link)What provision of the U.S. Consitution was violated by the 1986 amnesty?
Simply saying “I believe” something violates the Constitution does not make it so.
Are you aware that the entire purpose of Congress is to allow changes to be made to laws? Using your logic, no changes would be permitted because the new law would supplant an old law, and in your view the old law is somehow enshrined in the Constitution.
Either identify the specific language in the Constitution that was violated by amnesty, or just admit your school of constitutional interpretation is to rely on the “spirit” of the Constitution–i.e. what liberals do.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Not Enforcing the Law is Violating the Constitution
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 10:43PM EDT (link)Where is it stated in the Constitution you can ignore the law of the land at will you have taken an oath to enforce? Amnesty is ignoring the law of the land.
And AGAIN, I’m not a liberal Communist. I’m a Conservative. I’m sure you’ve already seen me type that fact.
You are also misusing the word "unconstitutional"
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 11:27PM EDT (link)It is within the authority of Congress/President to change the law. Nothing unconstitutional about it.
The 1986 amnesty was not unconstitutional. Congress changed the law of the land in 1986 in accordance with the process of changing laws set forth in the Constitution.
Just as a governor can pardon a criminal, Congress + President can grant amnesty. It might not be a good idea, but it isn’t unconstitutional.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
If We Follow Your Logic...
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 11:47PM EDT (link)all laws are null and void being they never need to be enforced, simply re-write them to appease the law breakers when necessary.
The founders never intended for laws to be added / changed, so it would provide an instrument for any person taking an oath to uphold the law of the land, a means around their responsibility.
TopGun: Seriously, stop. I'm actually embarassed for you right now. [nt]
Martin Knight (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 11:56PM EDT (link)You are wrong. The Founders repealed laws in their day.
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 11:57PM EDT (link)You can argue that allowing laws not to be enforced is an abrogation of constitutional duty.
You are absolutely incorrect in asserting that modification of laws in accordance with the law making function is unconstitutional.
There is a critical difference here, and you won’t find one conservative legal thinker who will agree with your analysis.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
JSobieski: You're trying to teach a pig to sing ...
Martin Knight (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 12:06AM EDT (link)It is not worth it. TopGun does not know what unconstitutional means. Honestly, he thinks a President signing legislation violates the Constitution?
Nice turn of phrase LOL
JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 12:13AM EDT (link)You are of course correct.
For what its worth, President Washington offered amnesty in response to the Whiskey Rebellion.
http://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-rights-in-action/bria-23-3-a-the-whiskey-rebellion-and-the-new-american-republic.html
I leave “Top” gun to the inner recesses of his own mind.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Easy Question for You
TopGun Saturday, June 18th at 12:43AM EDT (link)“Honestly, he thinks a President signing legislation violates the Constitution?” Where did I state this? Just as I thought, I never insinuated or stated what you wrote.
Where does upholding a sworn oath to enforce the laws stop, and when does it become a violation of the Constitution to not enforce the laws you took an oath to enforce?
When Congress + President change a law
JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 12:51AM EDT (link)is not a failure to enforce the law. When the Constitution was amended to repeal the amendment against Prohibition, the people involved in that legal process were not acting unconstitutionally.
So when people are involved in repealing a law using a process set forth in the Constitution, the people involved in changing the law are not acting unconstitionally.
The only retroactive laws that are prohibited are laws that retroactively make something a criminal act.
It is constitutionally OK to retroactively say that a criminal act in the past is retroactively no longer criminal.
It is also constitutionally OK for civil laws to be changed retroactively.
Since you haven’t bothered to answer the numerous questions I have posed to you and since you haven ‘t produced any supporting evidence or examples, I think I am done with you.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
You Cooked Your Own Goose
TopGun Saturday, June 18th at 1:13AM EDT (link)First off, the question wasn’t for you.
Secondly, you are still comparing apples(repealing a law) to oranges(re-writing a law so you don’t have to honor your oath of office to enforce the present law)
Oh, and all of the off-topic items you just wrote, I’ve known that for decades.
You Misinterpret What I Write.
TopGun Saturday, June 18th at 12:25AM EDT (link)“You are absolutely incorrect in asserting that modification of laws in accordance with the law making function is unconstitutional.”
I never stated or insinuated the actual act of modifying a law by itself is unconstitutional, did I? No I did not.
Go back and read the last paragraph as a “whole” instead of interpreting it differently from it’s original meaning.
“The founders never intended for laws to be added / changed, so it would provide an instrument for any person taking an oath to uphold the law of the land, a means around their responsibility.”
key words…”a means around their responsibility”.
So when George Washington offered amnesty to those in the Whiskey Rebellion
JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 12:46AM EDT (link)he was acting unconstitutionally?
What about the power of a President to pardon?
There are plenty of data points regarding repeal and amnesty since the Constitution came into being.
All pardons remove responsibility from the prior crime.
All changes in law change prior responsibility.
Your “logic” is highly flawed.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Give me the Trophy
TopGun Saturday, June 18th at 1:00AM EDT (link)“Your “logic” is highly flawed.”
If asking for a person to uphold their sworn oath to enforce the laws of the land instead of writing legislation that allows them ”a means around their responsibility” is flawed Logic, then I will happily accept that trophy.
There's cluelessness, and there's this. nt
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 1:35AM EDT (link)“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
"The founders never intended for laws to be added / changed"
JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 12:04AM EDT (link)Did you know that one of the first acts of Congress was to pass a law on patents?
Did you also know that the law was subsquently repealed within 5 years by those same founding fathers?
You really do need to read the Federalist Papers.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Do You...
TopGun Saturday, June 18th at 12:31AM EDT (link)always take a few brief words from someones writing, so you can misinterpret the intent and meaning of an authors writing like you just did?
Also, repealing a law and re-writing a law, so you can ignore your sworn oath to enforce the said law, is apples to oranges.
I quote you, I quote the Constitution, and I provided some actual examples
JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 12:41AM EDT (link)You provide no evidence, and complain when I quote you?
If you can find one conservative legal scholar who agrees with you, cite that scholar. Otherwise, if your position is that everyone else on the earth is wrong and you are right, then I am more than content to leave you to your own delusions.
I suppose you find the Presidential power to issue a pardon is also unconstitutional?
If the President by himself can grant amnesty, it is silly to think that the law making process cannot.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Just Like a Liberal
TopGun Saturday, June 18th at 12:49AM EDT (link)You purposefully misinterpret, take my posts out of context, and obfuscate just like a liberal does when I am tearing them up with facts.
You haven't mentioned a single fact
JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 12:52AM EDT (link)You are a fool, and I am foolish for treating you as if you weren’t.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
That's Rich
TopGun Saturday, June 18th at 1:05AM EDT (link)Yeah, pointing out someone not honoring their oath of office isn’t a fact in your mind I guess.
topgun,in your words homer, what started this whole thread.
gekster (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 1:30AM EDT (link)“When you say Ronald Reagan wasn’t too shabby, how would you consider ignoring the Constitution when he signed the Amnesty legislation:”
Implying that by Reagan signing the law yiolated the constitution.
Martin was right. You have stopped and quit embarrasing yourself.
(I would have said to stop beclowning yourself.)
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
You obviously don't understand the legislative process
gpclaw Friday, June 17th at 9:59PM EDT (link)The Constitution grants congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.
Congress writes the laws, and makes the rules for the government. They can also make changes to the law, which is exactly what happened under Reagan.
If you don’t agree with this, please provide what section of the Constitution was violated, or cite a Supreme Court case that backs up your claim.
Hey TopGun, here is a link to a text searchable copy of the US Constitution
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 10:16PM EDT (link)http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
I strongly encourage you to read it. Maybe you can enlighten all of us as to which provision(s) in the Constitution Reagan violated.
I should point out that the word “immigration” does not appear anywhere in the U.S. Constitution.
Section 8 authorizes Congress to enact a “uniform Rule of Naturalization”. Is this the provision you allege to be violated?
How is amnesty a violation of uniform rule if the amesty rule is applied in accordance with a uniform rule?
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Take a look at the bills that Perry just vetoed
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 6:50PM EDT (link)http://governor.state.tx.us/news/bills/veto/
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
State Board of Education
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 7:19PM EDT (link)Where’s the VETO of the 2011 SBOE re-districting map that eliminates Conservatives on the board?
Huh? Hello.
Where are the FACTS he supports Conservatives when he lets them get thrown under the wheels of the bus?
Rumor has it that a possible lawsuit may be mounted
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 7:37PM EDT (link)http://alicelinahan.net/2011/05/19/gov-perry-seemingly-let-texans-down/
Rumor has it that a possible lawsuit may be mounted over Seliger’s rogue E120 because of its obvious gerrymandering of Midland County to hurt Republican conservative Charlie Garza’s chances of being re-elected in 2012. This pending lawsuit and the legal ramifications surrounding it might be the reason that Gov. Perry let E120 become law without his signature yesterday. Gov. Perry may be privvy to information that we citizens do not know.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
FACT
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 7:50PM EDT (link)Perry had a chance to VETO, and chose NOT TO, which would have sent it back to committee to be re-drawn, to protect Conservatives, and given the public a chance to debate.
FACT: Perry FAILED to support Conservatives with his action.
You can give it all of the window dressing you want to, to cover up the fact he failed to support Conservatives with his action, but history has recorded the truth.
It is not over - don't get your panties in a wad.
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 7:55PM EDT (link)Rumor has it that a possible lawsuit may be mounted over Seliger’s rogue E120 because of its obvious gerrymandering of Midland County to hurt Republican conservative Charlie Garza’s chances of being re-elected in 2012. This pending lawsuit and the legal ramifications surrounding it might be the reason that Gov. Perry let E120 become law without his signature yesterday. Gov. Perry may be privvy to information that we citizens do not know.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Donna Garner is a birfer
Scope (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 8:12PM EDT (link)http://tfninsider.org/category/donna-garner/
I’ll make a bet that she supported Debra Medina.
Do You Have...
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 8:52PM EDT (link)a repeater to go with your radio station, being you seem to want to repeat your postings instead of debating the facts I am posting or is completely ignoring the proof of someone’s actions not being Conservative count as debating?
Perry aides fact-finding on Iowa
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 6:55PM EDT (link)Perry aides fact-finding on Iowa
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hIXJeoYWiYK6x8o3Fi9W4PAvt6lg?docId=8a8c5b97885d40d8b5c451d1b2c40fc2
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Let’s see…
TopGun Friday, June 17th at 8:58PM EDT (link)Perry campaigned for Rudy Giuliani, and his team was working for NEWT, two RINOs, but Perry is a Conservative, gotcha [eye wink]?
OK PopGun - who do you support?
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 10:23PM EDT (link)Who do you consider is conservative enough for you?
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Sounds more like an operative for another candidate
Juggernaut (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 8:30PM EDT (link)spreading rumors hoping someone will bite.. This early you can’t trust what others will say, I doubt its true. Not really worth discussing beyond that.
RomneyCare is Right Wing Socialism –
Romney “severely conservative”? That’s the opposite of a “compassionate conservative” like George W. Bush? Actually, we know what a severely conservative is. It’s Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney is no Dick Cheney.
Not Enough Info
cpaguy Friday, June 17th at 8:35PM EDT (link)I despise Perry’s policies.
He is the definition of a RINO (note to self: update Wikipedia to show Perry = RINO….lol).
However, I have never heard anything about the guy’s personal life. No need to spend much time on hushed rumors.
I can see why some GOP supporters are wary of Perry due to his policies….
OK CPAGAY, who do you support?
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 10:25PM EDT (link)Who do you not “despise”?
We know you hate Rick, we get it.
Once I get my Perry/Jindhal 2012 bumper stickers I will send you a few for free.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Provide proof, rants don't count
Juggernaut (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 7:39PM EDT (link)Seriously, prove it. I bet your a fan of media matters.
RomneyCare is Right Wing Socialism –
Romney “severely conservative”? That’s the opposite of a “compassionate conservative” like George W. Bush? Actually, we know what a severely conservative is. It’s Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney is no Dick Cheney.
Tuesday Morning Quarterback at ESPN has dissed Perry more than once
Finrod (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 9:12PM EDT (link)First off, let me state that I do not have a position on Rick Perry; if he decides to run I’ll take a look at him then. However, I have seen Perry mentioned more than once on the ESPN column Tuesday Morning Quarterback, who has several pet peeves and often rants on them. One of those peeves is about public officials using public money for unnecessary trips and bodyguards and the like. Perry has been the target of this more than once.
From http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/101019_tuesday_morning_quarterback&sportCat=nfl :
From http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/100921_tuesday_morning_quarterback&sportCat=nfl :
From http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/100928_tuesday_morning_quarterback&sportCat=nfl :
I haven’t investigated any of these allegations, I’m just the reporter on this one. Does Gregg Easterbrook have a valid point? I can’t say myself.
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
Wathchout! Its Sinful to Bring Facts Against the Flavor of the Month!
cpaguy Friday, June 17th at 9:27PM EDT (link)Not a big deal to me.
Though it is insightful to his demeaner and probably emblematic of how a guy who had been governor for 8 years was challenged so heavily in his most recent primary and why there is so much talk about his negatives.
Be warned however, if you dare bring up facts that disparage the “Flavor of the Month,” you will be called names and be alleged to “work for Obama or Romney.”
No, cpaguy, bringing up the warts and potential issues of a candidate is not a sin. Doing it poorly, on the other paw .. is. [nt]
acat (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 10:47PM EDT (link)——

Caveat Suffragator
last primary
victoria_29 Saturday, June 18th at 11:34AM EDT (link)He was heavily challenged because Gov Perry & the Bush family have been at odds for years, the Bushies put KBH up to challenging him-& what happened was her RINO butt got stomped in the ground & the Liberal Bill White followed shortly after in the general.
I have to assume since you did not know this information concerning our last election that you must not be a Texan. Just like it is stupid to compare Rick Perry-who btw is a 5th generation Texan to George W. Bush who as a northerner that moved to Texas-there is major difference between the two.
And on the shot, one thing that was NOT mentioned & I had a 14 yr old daughter at the time & health insurance is this. At the time when it was a pure “suggested” shot Blue Cross/Blue Shield would NOT pay for the shot & if you have money, job & income you can’t get free from health dept. To go to a private MD & have shot would have cost about 150.00. When Gov Perry signed the order, the insurance companies considered it mandatory just like the DPT shot & began paying for it so it was a 10.00 doctor visit co-pay. So things are not always as they seem, sometimes things are done that help just plain middle class Americans.
You can explain it to this guy,
gekster (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 11:48AM EDT (link)but it won’t matter.
He is on an anti Perry agebda.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
You can explain it to this guy,
gekster (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 11:49AM EDT (link)but it won’t matter.
He is on an anti Perry agenda.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
jobs
victoria_29 Saturday, June 18th at 11:28AM EDT (link)I guess this complainer has missed noticing that Texas has created more jobs than any other state. MANY of the jobs were direct results of Gov & Mrs. Perry developing trade relationships….guess that doesn’t count. Everyone has something to whine about. BTW Houston Chronicle (& I am a born & bred 6th generation Texan) is a liberal rag that attacks all Republicans.
As I said, I don't have a dog in this fight
Finrod (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 1:32PM EDT (link)This line of attack is already out there, though, and Perry needs to come up with an answer to it.
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
? [nt]
cpaguy Friday, June 17th at 11:00PM EDT (link)You all deserve another 4 years.
basokla Saturday, June 18th at 2:38AM EDT (link)Have fun with that.
Exactly.
radicalrighty Saturday, June 18th at 8:39AM EDT (link)If the Dems critiqued their candidates like the GOP does, we would never have an opponent in an election.
Who thinks the DNC wringed collective its hands worring about Obama’s sweet home deal, or his associations with hate-mongering pastors and domestic terrorists, or possible drug-dealing past?
Right, they didn’t wring their hands. The DNC backed the guy WHO COULD WIN THE RACE!!
No. but not us. We’re “The Stupid Party.”
We eat our own.
But....but ...we need a "true conservative"!!
Bill S (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 9:42AM EDT (link)Which means he/she can NEVER have made an unwise decision, because that indicates that they’re actually a communist sympathizer and not a TRUE PATRIOT!!!!!11!
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
The first item of business would be a repeal of ObamaCare "in totality
izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 9:42AM EDT (link)Rick Perry’s First 100 Days
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303635604576391671267240408.html
1.) Close Dept. of Education
2.) Close Dept. of Energy
3.) Repeal of ObamaCare
4.) Reform of corporate income taxes
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
For all of you who think Texas Toll Roads are a TTC conspiracy
izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 10:01AM EDT (link)Toll Roads, Bridges Targeted for Major Fare Hikes
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/18/toll-roads-targeted-for-major-fare-increases/#ixzz1PdTX4HTg
About Toll Roads
http://www.texastollways.com/content/about-toll-roads.php
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Toll Roads - As conservative as it gets
gpclaw Saturday, June 18th at 11:10AM EDT (link)Toll roads – preferably private toll roads – highlight what Conservatism is all about. Market based, private sector solutions benefit society in a far greater way than government central planning.
The people who use a road, should be on the hook for funding that road. User fees ensure that money if funneled to where it is needed most, instead of going to an area simply because a politician is trying to win votes.
half right, gpclaw
Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 11:31AM EDT (link)I’m fine with you up to that bit about “preferably private toll roads.”
Let’s not move into libertarian fantasy land now.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Milton Friedman fantasy
gpclaw Saturday, June 18th at 11:58AM EDT (link)Toll roads only make sense if they are under some degree of private ownership. When the road is publicly owned and operated, there is no way of ensuring that the money generated by the road is not used simply as a slush fund for other programs. If a road can’t be operated like a business, where revenues are used to make improvements based on need, rather than politics, then it would be foolish to move away from the current system.
And it doesn’t have to be 100% private. A public-private partnership, where state or local government builds the road, then leases the rights to operate, and maintain the road to a private company. This isn’t a radical idea, and can be seen today in roads, and other public services.
Neil, if you don't mind me asking
gpclaw Saturday, June 18th at 12:02PM EDT (link)Do you have any specific concerns concerning private roads? Maybe there is something you’ve thought of, that I haven’t.
Heh (nt)
Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 1:37PM EDT (link)RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Here I thought you'd link to the Canadian experiment...
acat (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 2:54PM EDT (link)with private toll roads paralleling publically-funded highways. IIRC this was back in the late ’90s, not sure it ever got off the ground outside the Toronto area…
I will at least point you to Illinois, where I-88 is a toll road that parallels I-80, a non-toll road – both heading from Chicago to Iowa. I-88 was built because the bonds that had paid for building the I-294 tollway were almost paid off, and without debt to service, the tollbooths would have come down…
At one point, not sure if it’s changed, most people took I-80 for free and I-88 was a money-loser, funded by tolls from the rest of the system. That may have changed, not sure.
Ironically, the Chicago Skyway was never part of the Illinois tollway system, in large part because the tollway was a suburban “republican” (NOT conservative) outfit and Chicago .. isn’t. The Skyway has now been privatized and, so far, results appear to the good.
Mew
——

Caveat Suffragator
Rick Perry accepts the 'Boot Up Texas' award at 2011 RightOnline
izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 10:12AM EDT (link)Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
How can a governor get a handle on illegal immigration when the feds do this?
izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 10:53AM EDT (link)Obama’s NLRB Uses Weight Of Fed Govt To Protect Illegal Immigrants
http://www.redstate.com/tomtflorida/2011/06/18/obama’s-nlrb-uses-weight-of-fed-govt-to-protect-illegal-immigrants/
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
izoneguy, this isn't isolated
lineholder (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 11:40AM EDT (link)The DoJ has filed an amicus brief supporting the plaintiffs to kill a bill that supports voter ID in Arizona (hearing is Monday)
10 Nations have filed amicus brief against illegal immigration legislation in GA
http://www.redstate.com/lineholder/2011/06/17/when-did-foreign-nations-gain-the-right-to-tell-us-what-is-constitutional/
I’d say the admin is taking a full-fledged shot at an end-around negating immigration and voting laws
And we need to figure out what options we have to try to prevent this ASAP
Just God Almighty . . .
radicalrighty Sunday, June 19th at 11:33AM EDT (link)What else can be said when the United States Department of Justice is supporting, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua and Peru, instead of one of the UNITED STATES?
“I have a plan to destroy America” — by Richard D. Lamm
izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 12:06PM EDT (link)http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/09/i-have-a-plan-to-destroy-america-by-richard-d-lamm/
Obama is following the plan to a T.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Red meat for the skeleton hunters
izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, June 18th at 8:04PM EDT (link)Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Obama Team Targets 2012 GOP Opponents
izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, June 19th at 11:11AM EDT (link)http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/19/axelrod-targets-obamas-2012-opponents/?test=latestnews
Ahem, Mr. Axelrod,
Rick Perry’s First 100 Days
If he gets into the race, Gov. Perry will be offering the Texas model of economic growth to a nationwide audience.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303635604576391671267240408.html
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Rick Perry's skeletons....
rowdydfw Sunday, June 19th at 12:08PM EDT (link)On this issue I completely agree with Eric….
And I won’t try to fool anybody with nonsense. At this point in time I will vote for an orangatang with an orange behind against the current resident in our White House. At the very least he knows how to manage his bananas and he doesn’t apologize to anybody for being an orangatang.
Yes, we had to rather beat up a couple of times on Perry and steer him in the right direction. But he did listen when we had to march on the capitol to get his attention. There’s not a democrat in this country that’s going to veer from imposing their own ideology, period. No matter how loudly we scream. And that’s just the way it is.
I myself have continued to enjoy prosperity in Texas and applaud Gov. Perry for his part in fostering that environment. Texas is very blessed with reasonable people who truly understand the principles of freedom fostered by those who fought and won it. Just like our country’s forefathers.
We are the second or third greatest population in the country. And out of those, we are the only one with viable finances and PROOF that if your keep your taxes low, you will get the revenue needed to keep your finances viable. We have more employed people paying the sales taxes and property taxes that support our government than any other state.
There’s only one other candidate that I may place first on my voting agenda. If I can’t vote for that candidate, Perry is my second choice. If I can’t vote for Perry, then the orangatang with the orange behind gets it.
I think there could be
kaptkane Monday, June 20th at 7:21AM EDT (link)a Bildeberger skeleton in Perry’s closet. That’s enough to steer me away.
ht tp://www.prisonplanet.com/bilderberg-behind-rick-perry-2012-run.html
Via Drudge: Update on Perry and Bilderberg Group
Ausonius (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 1:38PM EDT (link)Conspiracy theory nonsense, or is there something skeletal here?
ht tp://w ww.infowars.com/bilderberg-approved-perry-set-to-become-presidential-frontrunner/
And:
ht tp://w ww.infowars.com/bilderberg-2011-full-official-attendee-list/
Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.
Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.
Cato@rock.com
AND…Know Your Czars…Before They Hit BIG BRObama’s Unemployment Line in November: http://www.czarcards.us/
Psst
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 1:42PM EDT (link)It’s Infowars. Enough said.
And seriously? You’re asking if a bilderberger conspiracy theory has something to it?
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
But it is funny nt
RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 2:03PM EDT (link)“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell
“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers
When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry
http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.
http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.
No, I Am Wondering About Its Presence On Drudge
Ausonius (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 3:47PM EDT (link)THAT I found interesting!
Has Drudge bought into such things, or thinks that there is something to it?
Why bother listing it and giving it some legitimacy?
Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.
Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.
Cato@rock.com
AND…Know Your Czars…Before They Hit BIG BRObama’s Unemployment Line in November: http://www.czarcards.us/
Alex Jones is Glenn Becks Minime
Juggernaut (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 7:47PM EDT (link)You can’t take him seriously, you’ll get brain rot. At least Beck is believable 35% – 40% of the time. Jones is a far left extremist who no one trusts but the Tin Foil hat crowd.
RomneyCare is Right Wing Socialism –
Romney “severely conservative”? That’s the opposite of a “compassionate conservative” like George W. Bush? Actually, we know what a severely conservative is. It’s Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney is no Dick Cheney.
G'bye
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 1:43PM EDT (link)Conspiracy theories are verboten around here.
My NWO handler said so.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Drudge Has Dropped The Bilderberg Story On Perry
Ausonius (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 9:40PM EDT (link)And now has a Politico story about rumors of divorce and homosexuality:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57381.html
Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.
Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.
Cato@rock.com
AND…Know Your Czars…Before They Hit BIG BRObama’s Unemployment Line in November: http://www.czarcards.us/
This isn't Drudge. NT
Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 9:44PM EDT (link)NT
The Kim Kardashian of blogging.
Check out my blog at http://moelane.com/.
http://moelane.com/filthy-lucre-filthy-lucre/
http://twitter.com/moelane
My (combined) wish list.
I noticed that. They dropped it...
gekster (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 9:47PM EDT (link)after the employees at McDonalds, Burger King, and Wendies complained.
Rallys had no comment.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
Rick Perry Can Beat The Pants Off Of Obama
ghflynt Monday, June 20th at 11:45AM EDT (link)I listened to Governor Perry’s speech at the Republican Leadership Council in New Orleans. Great speech! He will destroy Obama in a debate where there are no teleprompters. Does Rick Perry have skeletons in his closet? Don’t know! Do know that he is our very best chance to win the Presidency in 2012. If he does for the nation what he has done for Texas, Americans will be much better off tomorrow than we are today. He Does have a pair and does not fear liberals or the liberal press. He seems to know that the best defense is a good offense and is unapologetic in his defense of conservative principles. I hope that he runs because I believe he will bring back solvency to our government, return the nation to our founding father’s principles of individual freedom and limited government and inspire a new and much needed confidence in the American people! If we do not get our national debt under control, we will end up being the servants of those who hold that debt.
“Solvency is valueless without security, and security is impossible to achieve without solvency.”
Winston Churchill
Perry/Bachmann
carolynr Monday, June 20th at 11:47AM EDT (link)I have listened to the video from New Orleans…Republican Leadership Conference. This guy has to get into the race…and get in fast. I will try to see if I can get this video to go viral…because I can’t depend on the MSM. Thank you Red State…we appreciate the full context…and will get the info out to other Americans
P.S. Bye…Bye Romney..who is nothing more than Obama..BIG GOVERNMENT
You know why he sounds so good, don't you?
Flagstaff (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 3:01PM EDT (link)He has a delivery that simply oozes passion about his subject, even without shouting or waving his arms. He doesn’t have to shout “Obama is a ONE…TERM…PRESIDENT” to make his points.
If, as noted elsewhere on this thread, he supported Rudy last time, he may have to convince some folks of his conservatism, but he can do it.
I’m coming to believe that a Republican candidate for President can be stunningly successful even if s/he fails some of the Official Right’s litmus tests. (The Official Right is all those people who proclaim they will “never vote for X because s/he did ‘y’ some time ago.” But they each have a different interpretation of just what ‘y’ is.)
The formula is simple: Be truly conservative on most issues. Speak with PASSION. State what your beliefs are, “conservative” or not, and why. Explain what you plan to do if elected as specifically as possible (but resist demands to deliver a finished plan–it’s OK to say “it’s a start”), why it’s a good plan, and how you’ll pay for it. Never complain, never explain, and never retract anything–if it’s retractable, it means you didn’t think it out. That means you won’t put out offhand opinions about issues you don’t understand. Answer questions about the issues you do understand head-on–if you think your answer makes sense, won’t voters agree with you? If not, maybe you should have a different opinion. Never mention the Democrats; let other people do that.
An honest campaign along these lines gives folks a chance to disagree with you on some issues but still support you overall.
BTW, I don’t think Bachmann would accept the second spot. Cain or Santorum will; I think Pawlenty would be a negative if added to Perry.
Buffett Rule #1: “Tax rates don’t matter if you don’t pay your taxes”
– Unnamed tax adviser to Warren Buffett, Leavenworth, KS, 2011
Buffett Rule #2: “A parrot in every pot and two Volts in every garage”– Jimmy Buffett, at a seance in Margaritaville, 1977
Perry/Bachman 2012
brojohn2 Monday, June 20th at 12:34PM EDT (link)I live in south Texas, Kinney County to be precise, we have illegals crossing our place on a regular basis, we go armed ourselves because the Feds care less about our border, and even less about our lives. I am also a retired Pastor, who is a conservative, and I would like to say that rumors are for children and democrats. Perry has lost battles such as the HPV and the Trans Texas Corridor, both of which were poorly thought out and even more poorly exectued. HPV should have gone through the State Health Department, and should still be offered to those parents who want it for the kids.
Of course Perry has not said he will run, so maybe we are all putting the cart before the horse. I personally would vote for him even though I find some things a little left of myself, but not enough to make him another W who did after all start the TARP mess in the first place, and added to the cost of education without increasing test scores. W was a big government guy too. So, I say that if we want to find skeletons in closets, we can, but most of them are going to be bogus, and the ones that count, are already moot points. It is time for people to start working against the Democrats at every opportunity, and stop trying to pick apart every one who comes up to the plate.
“What spectacle can be more edifying or more seasonable, than that of Liberty and Learning, each leaning on the other for their mutual & surest support?” –James Madison, letter to W.T. Barry, 1822
“Every man who loves peace, every man who loves his country, every man who loves liberty ought to have it ever before his eyes that he may cherish in his heart a due attachment to the Union of America and be able to set a due value on the means of preserving it.” –James Madison, Federalist No. 41
He CAN beat Obama.
jgparker Monday, June 20th at 1:41PM EDT (link)The number one reason Perry should be the Republican Party candidate is that he is capable of beating Obama.
…..he’s a native Texan, he’s a member of the world’s largest fraternity (Texas A&M graduate), an Aggie with a degree in Agriculture Science (not a lawyer), he’s an Air Force veteran, he’s married to his high school sweetheart, he was in business with his father before running for office…….
…he’s a Patriot who loves this country and he’s an authentic fiscal and social conservative,..
I heard him speak last month in Houston at our grand opening of King Street Patriots, a Tea Party organization……he held the crowd’s attention and thrived on our enthusiastic support. He speaks with passion with no need of a teleprompter. He’s knowledgeable and witty and sincere, folksy without being country. His knowledge of Texas and US history will serve him well on the campaign trail.
Many writers on this post have nit picky objections to Perry….all of us must remember the goal and support the strongest candidate. ….. in my opinion, that’s Perry.
When main stream media tries to steer support to Romney, be assured the determination has been made he’s the easiest to beat……..we don’t need another fiasco like McCain.
Elitist puppets
leefromok Monday, June 20th at 2:07PM EDT (link)When you have a group of rhinos running against each other, a rhino is bound to win.
The Bildeberger thing and the forced vaccinations both indicate elitist control.
I voted for both Bushes and I regret it.
They seemed conservative but both pushed us closer to the new world order.
And, TopGun, stick to your gunns!
Don’t let yourself be browbeat into silence.
Continue to stand up for what is right!
There are a few here that either can’t see the truth, or have an agenda.
Bzzzt.
Leon H. Wolf (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 2:25PM EDT (link)Can’t be having you insult the Bildebergers here at RS. Always a bad policy to insult the people who pay our bills.
————
We can’t stop here. This is bat country.
And there are too many here who believe in silly conspiracies. nt.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 2:25PM EDT (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
Follow @Aaron_RS
A Perry candidacy interests me, but like
runner12 (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 4:03PM EDT (link)everyone else he would need to be vetted thoroughly. He has shown some big government tendencies, which will be thoroughly discussed if he decides to get in.
But I think a note of caution is warranted here. While we do not want to compromise our principles when selecting a nominee, we also do want to demand perfection. We must support the MOST conservative candidate who can beat Obama. There are 3-4 who have the potental to do that who are not Romney who are either running or thinking of running. Any of which would be better than Obama.
Agree
YnotNOW (Diary) Monday, June 20th at 4:56PM EDT (link)And therefore I am watching and keeping my options open right now.
Competition and vetting candidates is a good thing!
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?