I’m late this week to the horserace for a reason. I wanted to get a sense of the buzz in New Orleans at the Republican Leadership Conference before delving in.
The event is still going on, though I am headed up to Minneapolis, MN now for Right Online where more Presidential candidates will be.
This week’s big winners are obvious: Michele Bachmann and Mitt Romney. But there is more to it than that. I’m hearing Bachmann’s rise is really hurting one of the other candidates significantly. And then there is Rick Perry.
Michele Bachmann
The Congresswoman wins the week. She is going to be able to turn her success this week into a fundraising blitz. In New Orleans, everyone is talking about Bachmann. A good number of people are talking about her as if she is the alternative to Mitt Romney. That’s a good sign for her. But it also means the other candidates will be gearing up soon to pile on. That might actually help her even more with fundraising.
Herman Cain
Cain is collapsing I’m afraid. He still has a good bit of loyalty and his polling is going up, but Michele Bachmann’s rise is directly impacting him. I’m hearing from a few folks in South Carolina that any signs of momentum and grassroots support Cain had there is shifting to Bachmann. He’s going to need to find some ways to utilize New Media to get his message out and show he is substantive on policy.
Newt Gingrich
Gingrich’s campaign is done. It has gotten so bad, the campaign is now lashing out at the staffers who left and pointing out that Newt still has staff. The problem is a number of the staffers who left had been long time loyal aides and supporters of Gingrich. That men who stayed after his fall from grace in 1998 chose to leave now is a bad sign.
His great debate performance proves nothing on the issue of his viability. We all already knew he was a good speaker and debater. The problem is his management skills and debates do not go to that. As an example? He is attacking his former staffers for leaving $13,000.00 in the office in Atlanta instead of sending it to Washington. But his campaign is supposed to be headquartered in Atlanta. Why then is the Atlanta office supposed to mail its checks to Washington instead of depositing them in Atlanta?
Little stuff like that suggests there is more than a bit of facade at work.
Jon Huntsman
I meant a number of people committed to Huntsman in New Orleans. The problem, as I see it, is that all those who are committed to Huntsman and were there, were there through their friendships and relationships with each other. I found very few people outside this band of relatives and friends who knew anything about him other than his global warming initiative and his work for Obama.
Gary Johnson
Gary John is a nonstarter.
Ron Paul
Ron Paul had a stellar debate performance Monday night, his staff seems much more competent this cycle, and he was well received in New Orleans yesterday when people saw him. He won’t be the nominee, but he could be influential.
Tim Pawlenty
Here’s what I wrote from my Human Events column this week and it is appropriate here:
First, had the answer come at the end of the debate and not the beginning, it would not have clouded the rest of his performance. He gave substantial and solid answers on questions about unionization, job creation, life, and even events in Yemen. But his hesitation lingered.
Second, by being unwilling to go on and engage, he stepped further away from the vacuum in the race being caused by no clear anti-Romney candidate. Instead of filling the void, he made it worse.
Third, this is the first real unforced error from an otherwise relatively flawless campaign effort. Those who say this has doomed Pawlenty are really in search of a salacious headline more than they are the truth. There are seven months to go until Iowa. While it hurt Pawlenty, it was not fatal.
There is, however, one caveat. By not filling the void as the clear anti-Romney candidate on Monday, Pawlenty leaves the door wide open for Rick Perry to get in and become that candidate. That could be Pawlenty’s undoing.
Rick Perry
He’s not in, but there are growing signs he may be getting in. Should he, Tim Pawlenty will probably go away. Already in some surveys, Perry is out polling Pawlenty. Perry will also be a big threat to Michele Bachmann. Should he get in, I think some of the existing candidates will fall out sooner than if Perry sits out.
Mitt Romney
He’s the front runner for a reason — he’s winning. He didn’t just win the Monday debate by default, he actually won it with just one moment of defensiveness on Afghanistan.
Right now there is nothing to stop MItt Romney except himself. Given the number of unforced errors he has made — or what I perceive to be errors, e.g. global warming and Romneycare defense — and Al Gore saying nice things about him, he could be in trouble. I think his “I’m unemployed” bit was a bit dumb, but the people he said it too seemed to take it with the humor it was intended and it is nice to see him being self-deprecating.
Rick Santorum
Michele Bachmann ends the Rick Santorum run. He lookd out of his league on stage Monday night. She overshadowed him and I don’t see how he gains stature.
Jeff Emanuel
Neil Stevens
m'eh
oldbird77 Friday, June 17th at 10:52AM EDT (link)still not excited about any of them.
Ron Paul
billinsuwanee (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 10:52AM EDT (link)Erick,
I must politely ask why you write; “He won’t be the nominee, but he could be influential.” How do you know? Are you picking the nominee?
Journalists should not be prognosticators.
Thank you
——–
The Tea Party movement is the greatest civic uprising since the Revolution.
He won't be the nominee because Republicans may
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 10:55AM EDT (link)nominate squishes but they don’t nominate fools and idiots and Ron Paul qualifies as both. And you can feel free to add in ignorant while you’re at it.
Psychosis is a disqualifier (nt)
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 10:57AM EDT (link)RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Well...
Bill S (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 11:00AM EDT (link)A) Erick isn’t a “journalist” per se. He’s a blogger and pundit. There’s a difference…we’re not here to be news reporters. Erick is a commentator.
B) Ron Paul is a kook. His “influence” will be with the same bunch we banned from RS last election.
C) The entire purpose behind the “Horserace” diaries is TO prognosticate.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
This is true
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 11:02AM EDT (link)We’re activists, Erick included. If you can’t take that, you won’t like it here.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
He won't be the nominee because ...
sarg01 Friday, June 17th at 11:38AM EDT (link)It’s too easy for most primary voters to find something major they disagree with him on. Someone like a Bachmann or Perry will end up more appealing to everyone who doesn’t oppose Iraq and Afghanistan.
A principled guy like Paul can win out of nowhere when he’s the only one with principles. A straight-up fight with a Romney is one thing, but that’s not the game being played. To win, Paul needs Bachmann, Cain, and Perry out. It’s really hard to see that happening now that Bachmann is becoming credible.
I'm not a journalist
Erick Erickson (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 11:43AM EDT (link)I’m an activist and a commentator on this matter. I know Ron Paul won’t be the nominee. It is as certain as the sun coming up in the morning.
Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?Follow @EWErickson
I wouldn't rule out any of them just yet
congressworksforus (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 12:06PM EDT (link)Johnson, for example, pointed out on Stossel’s show last week that at the start of his election as Governor of NM, he was polling at 3%.
He won.
What I think we all know is that the LSM is going to crucify these candidates any which way they can, which leaves the door open to the candidate(s?) who they ignore winning because they’re the last one standing.
And I think a cow could beat Obama, so whoever wins the GOP nomination is going to be President in 2013.
At this point in time, the only thing that will stop a candidate from winning is them quitting the race, so if someone like RP — love him or hate him — continues to raise money from his cult-like followers, he stands a chance of being the one left at the end.
Remember, if the left wins, abortion will not only be legal, it will be mandatory.
Ron Paul had a personality cult last time too
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 12:11PM EDT (link)He couldn’t crack 10 delegates.
Republicans don’t like Blame America Firsters. Republicans don’t like conspiracy theorists. Republicans don’t like porkers.
Ron Paul manages to be all three.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Ron Paul being influencial
Glaucon (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 12:00PM EDT (link)“He won’t be the nominee, but he could be influential.”
He is the absent minded professor, so his appeal is limited, but separating the messenger from the message, the influence is obvious in the GOP field. The emphasis on reducing size, scope and spending of government is echoed by many candidates this cycle.
Here’s an interesting idea from Newt Gingrich in the Wall Street Journal today. Protect the dollar:
“Mr. Gingrich called for an audit of the Federal Reserve, echoing Texas Rep. Ron Paul, the libertarian icon who is also running for the nomination. To put a finer point on it, Mr. Gingrich said the Fed should no longer concern itself with unemployment and just focus on bolstering the dollar.”
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/06/17/gingrich-gop-needs-team-campaign-to-win-white-house-congress/
This makes perfect sense.
Jim Tomasik (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 12:08PM EDT (link)In the recent debate, Rep. Paul said he needed to talk to the other candidates to see how they felt about the Federal Reserve Bank before he could pick one of them for a V.P.
Newt wants to be Paul’s V.P. pick.
Ron Paul is also likely to raise enough money to have staying power
YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 12:22PM EDT (link)and therefore continue to split the conservative vote for much longer, when an ordinary candidate would admit defeat and endorse another conservative.
Therefore, Ron Paul’s influence may also be to give Romney a path to victory.
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
Ron Paul is also likely to raise enough money to have staying power
YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 12:22PM EDT (link)and therefore continue to split the conservative vote for much longer, when an ordinary candidate would admit defeat and endorse another conservative.
Therefore, Ron Paul’s influence may also be to give Romney a path to victory.
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
Big name entry more likely
Whacker77 Friday, June 17th at 10:53AM EDT (link)I pretty much agree with what Erick wrote. The race is setting up as a match between Romney and the anti-Romney. Right now, that looks to be Bachmann. It had looked to be Pawlenty, but no more.
I do think Pawlenty’s campaign was mortally wounded during the debate because he allowed Bachmann to zoom past him and fill the anti-Romney slot. He’s been running for president for two years and hasn’t been able to generate any momentum. I don’t see that changing.
If this does become a two person race between Romney and Bachmann, I think that guarantees a big name jumps in the race. I’m not trying to knock what Bachmann represents, but I see it as totally unlikely she can win nationally. Romney also has big flaws and a lack of enthusiasm.
I just can’t see the big names pining away for 2016 passing on 2012 now that Obama is so easily beatable. I think Perry is the likely choice to jump into the race, but if he doesn’t I think Jeb will get into the race. He want’s to be president, but passing on 2012 means he might never get another chance.
Agree, except don't count Pawlenty out just yet
YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 12:26PM EDT (link)I agree that the debate hurt Pawlenty and made Bachman the leading anti-Romney, bu it is still early and Pawlenty is a smart candidate with a top-notch staff, who has a good chance to fight back.
A also agree that the current status increases the likelihood that Perry jumps in, who could almost immediately become the leading anti-Romney.
Sorry Jeb, it is not fair, but you don’t have any chance to gain traction among the larger public, even though you’d be an excellent choice.
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
Can't get out of the pool if you're just dipping your toe in it.
Addison (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 12:37PM EDT (link)If you look at the polling, Pawlenty has barely gotten in (he’s behind several undeclared candidates!), so how could he be out? Like the “search for the anti-Romney” narrative, Pawlenty’s second-place status on the first tier of candidates is largely a media-driven phenomenon at this point. Unwarranted, undeserved, and not helpful to Pawlenty himself as it creates an illusion that actual voters won’t participate in.
Pawlenty’s entire candidacy (as created by his “top-notch staff”) is currently based on the idea that everyone else will collapse leaving him to get Romney in the Spring of 2012. Shades of Giuliani in 2008.
So his strategy is passive and trusts in the universe to hand him his chosen battlefield. I don’t think it’ll work out that way for him, and if he wants to be competitive this Spring he needs to take the reins and start making some active movements to steer this race.
it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses
Pawlenty does need to go on offense
YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 1:01PM EDT (link)I agree that a passive strategy will not work, and he needs to do something significant or dramatic to overcome his current weak showing. I am sure his staff understands this (and probably himself as well). If he fails, his candidacy will gradually fade. But there is still a chance….
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
Pawlenty does need to go on offense
YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 1:01PM EDT (link)I agree that a passive strategy will not work, and he needs to do something significant or dramatic to overcome his current weak showing. I am sure his staff understands this (and probably himself as well). If he fails, his candidacy will gradually fade. But there is still a chance….
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
TPaw just not connecting
Whacker77 Friday, June 17th at 1:10PM EDT (link)I disagree about Pawlenty. His problem goes well beyond just one poor debate. Despite his campaign apparatus and high profile advisors, he’s just not an exciting candidate. Now I know many would say the fact he’s not exciting shouldn’t hurt him, but it matters to those who don’t follow the issues as closely.
We all care about policy and positions, but we’re unique in that aspect. Most people vote for the more exciting/interesting candidate. That’s not Pawlenty and it’s never going to be Pawlenty. Don’t get me wrong though. I would gladly vote for him in the general election.
The big problem for Pawlenty remains what it has always been. He’s bland and he’s trying to be someone he’s not. In the past, he was a McCain Republican. Now, he’s trying to portray himself as Mr. Tea Party. He just doesn’t appear genuine.
I believe he will drift farther and farther from contention as the summer and fall approach. Unless Romney or Bachmann collapse or a big name skips, there’s no room for him. I think he should seriously consider making plans for a Senate run.
well put.
averagevoterdotcom Saturday, June 18th at 2:10AM EDT (link)paw looked like the over achieving boy running for class president, that no one really likes. He comes across as if he is trying to convince us of what a leader he is. Mitt and Michelle do that when they walk into a room.
Agree, except don't count Pawlenty out just yet
YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 12:26PM EDT (link)I agree that the debate hurt Pawlenty and made Bachman the leading anti-Romney, bu it is still early and Pawlenty is a smart candidate with a top-notch staff, who has a good chance to fight back.
A also agree that the current status increases the likelihood that Perry jumps in, who could almost immediately become the leading anti-Romney.
Sorry Jeb, it is not fair, but you don’t have any chance to gain traction among the larger public, even though you’d be an excellent choice.
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
Living Up to Expectations
chihank Friday, June 17th at 11:30AM EDT (link)Cain received for his May debate performance, because expectations were low for him. With expectations increased for him, Cain was okay this week. T-Paw had a lot of exceptations and didn’t live up to them. Thus the bad week for him. Bachmann had low expecatations. She made them and thus everyone is praising her. Next debate, the expectations will be higher for her.
The CNN debate was not a deal breaker for any of the candidates. It was just in the introductory phase. The real test will be the debates in November and December.
Newt's campaign is all aobut selling books
chihank Friday, June 17th at 11:35AM EDT (link)Newt’s has a new book to sell. I think Newt is staying in this race just to sell his books and DVDs. For those conservatvies who want Newt to leave the priamry race, then they should boycott Newt’s products.
Agreed
sandbun (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 11:43AM EDT (link)His attempt to become the nominee is on the same level as Trump’s. He just want’s more TV time so people pretend he and his opinions still matter so he can make money off of them.
Perry still needs an opening and don't write off Pawlenty just yet
red_oakster (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 11:35AM EDT (link)Perry still needs to catch a break in Iowa. He won’t enter until after the straw poll. Good move. Still Bachmann and Pawlenty are going to fight in Iowa and Perry will have at least some trouble defending things like the hpv vaccine with social conservatives in Iowa. And New Hampshire doesn’t look like a receptive place for Perry. Fred Thompson tried to use South Carolina as a turnaround state. Enough said.
Pawlenty can fight through to the Iowa caucus. He gave Bachmann a big opening, but he’s far from done. If Pawlenty does do well in Iowa, Perry’s the one who is done.
On the other hand, Romney will do everything he can to help Bachmann at the Iowa straw poll and in the caucuses because Romney can use her to hurt Pawlenty. And in a Romney-Bachmann race, Romney will clean up in the blue and purple states. In a Romney-Bachmann fight, delegates won in places like New York, Florida, and Pennsylvania outnumber those in places like Georgia and Alabama.
And let’s see if Ryan, Bolton, or Guiliani get in and complicate things.
Are we conservatives or cultists?
unclefred (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 12:20PM EDT (link)A blew past B. Y is collapsing. Z “looked presidential”. This sounds like the republican primary process is picking a president for the student council.
Speaking only for myself this is about substance, vision and experience.
Romney lacks substance, his words continually reveal a big government vision. If “independents” (read liberals who switch affiliation to mess about in the NH republican primary), were not able to vote in the Republican primary Romney’s numbers would look much worse. Republicans there are all to aware of the failings of the former governor from the socialist paradise to their immediate south.
While I’d love to see Paul riding roughshod over the federal reserve, he lacks the judgement (part of substance) and executive experience for the job.
Bachmann, Cain, Pawlenty, Santorum, and Perry are all possibles, but I want to see more from each. Out of that field, excluding Perry since he has yet to announce, this week I’d say that T-Paw is most likely to emerge with the nomination.
That said it’s way too early to count anyone other than Newt, Johson, and Paul out.
This was a "Horserace" diary
YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 12:43PM EDT (link)There are other posts on various substantive topics.
Us activists are interested in both.
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
This was a "Horserace" diary
YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 12:43PM EDT (link)There are other posts on various substantive topics.
Us activists are interested in both.
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
Question about Texas Politics
chihank Friday, June 17th at 12:48PM EDT (link)Rick Perry is leaning toward jumping into the 2012 Presidential race. David Dewhurst, the TX Lt Gov might jump into the US Senate race. Let’s say for the sake of debate, Rick Perry becomes President and Dewhurst becomes a TX Senator. Then who becomes TX Gov and TX Lt Gov?
Since Dewhurst is NOT
TxCon (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 5:54PM EDT (link)going to become senator it is a moot point.
My guess is that if Perry decides to run, the he would resign and Dewhurst takes over. The Texas Senate then appoints a new Lt. Gov. I think that is right.
Cruz for U.S. Senate
According to the Texas Constitution
TxCon (Diary) Friday, June 17th at 5:57PM EDT (link)here is the chain of succession:
Lieutenant Governor
Senate president pro tempore
Speaker of the House
Attorney General
Chief Justices of Courts of Appeals, in order:
District 1 (Houston)
District 2 (Fort Worth)
District 3 (Austin)
District 4 (San Antonio)
District 5 (Dallas)
District 6 (Texarkana)
District 7 (Amarillo)
District 8 (El Paso)
District 9 (Beaumont)
District 10 (Waco)
District 11 (Eastland)
District 12 (Tyler)
District 13 (Corpus Christi)
District 14 (Houston)
As a Pawlenty fan...
victrola Friday, June 17th at 1:19PM EDT (link)I’m starting to think he’s never going to ever get traction in this race.
Pawlenty missed an opportunity by not going after Romney more forcefully on RomneyCare, but I don’t think it was nearly as bad as all the pundits are making it out to be. Pawlenty doesn’t do well as an attack dog, and I would rather GOP candidates focus their ire on Obama right now.
Pawlenty is usually around 5th or 6th place in polling despite running for President for nearly two years. Honestly, I’m more than a little perturbed that someone like a Herman Cain (who has never held elected office and frankly isn’t viable) is outpolling a two-term Governor of Minnesota that has arguably one of the most conservative records of any candidate running. It doesn’t speak well for our party that loud and colorful figures like a Trump can so easily get so much support by just spouting off a few slogans whereas here’s a conservative Governor that has a real record of achievement that has had electoral success in a Blue State can barely make a blip in the polls.
If no one else jumps in, I don’t think it’s going to even be close, Romney will win this primary going away. I like and respect Bachmann, and I think she’ll win Iowa, but I don’t see her being able to knock off Obama and my guess is most Republican voters will come to the same conclusion and overwhelmingly back Romney.
Romney could run away
Whacker77 Friday, June 17th at 2:43PM EDT (link)I agree with your assessment Romney could win this going away. I think it was First Read who said Romney was the Kerry of 2012. At the last minute, assuming no other big name gets in, there could well be a mass exodus to Romney simply because he looks more electable than Bachmann or the others.
I’m not as sold as other on Perry so I remain hopeful Jeb jumps in the race. Immigration policy aside, I think he would unite 95% of the party in short order and absolutely trounce Obama in much the way Reagan did Carter. With Romney and the others, it’s a dog fight to the last day with Obama the slightest of favorites.
Bachmann vs. Cain vs. Perry?
akafroman Friday, June 17th at 1:53PM EDT (link)First of all, Bachmann destroyed Cain at the debates. With that said, I been a fan of both of these candidates’’ passion and ability to rouse a crowd- attributes necessary to beat someone as good at campaigning as Obama (know thy enemy, and don’t underestimate him). My only reluctance with Bachmann is that she has little experience running anything. I believe she would make a capable executive, but I am not sure an independent voter would “take her word for it”. Both of these candidates are sufficiently conservative, political outsiders, and demographically unique (which is a plus, whether we agree with identity politics or not). I’m having difficulty choosing between them; Cain has executive experience, but Bachmann is better at answering difficult questions “off-the-cuff”.
However, I guess that my internal debate is unnecessary if Perry gets in. I was sold on Perry when I heard that his plan to save America was to “pray and fast”. I know that sounds ignorant to the secular world, but I promise I have never been accused of being unintelligent. Also, it doesn’t hurt he has an established fundraising infrastructure and 10 years experience as governor of arguably the most economically successful state in the nation. He just has to lose the Texas accent…
Here's what I see happening.
phenry Friday, June 17th at 6:49PM EDT (link)As Cain’s numbers collapse, he abandons the Tea Party and forms a new “Pizza Party” with the aim of taking out Bachmann. It is discovered that security footage shows Bachmann, like Trump and Palin, eating pizza with a fork, thus ending her campaign. Palin and Trump are likewise prevented from entering the race. Newt gains steam through a grassroots facebook campaign, but ultimately ends up re-hiring staff. Unfortunately, they are plants from the Pawlenty campaign, and carry out another Newtiny in early January. Newt never recovers in Iowa and New Hampshire. Meanwhile, Pawlenty, after having dropped out due to Rick Perry’s bid, recovers his recently liberated staff and jumps back into the race. (Perry, sadly, is caught with a live boy AND a dead girl. After a brief flirtation with uniting the Weiner coalition to unseat Obama in the Dem primary, he is offered a job as ambassador to China, and he accepts.) Rick Santorum is incessantly mocked by the media for his last name, and ends up flipping out on the Daily Show. He cusses out Stewart and his social conservative base never forgives him. As they say in politics, it’s not the quirky last name that counts, it’s appearing on Stewart’s show. Huntsman puts up a good fight, but Romney, recognizing the challenge from the RINO-Mormon wing of the party, spends beaucoup bucks to take him out. It is discovered that at one point Hunstman worked for the Obama administration (who knew?) and his campaign is over. Pawlenty tries to go after Romney, but nobody believes him, and he has to spend all his money to keep his staff from mutinying instead of running ads. Eventually he just falls asleep and misses one too many appearances on TV. After which he drops out and begins campaigning for VP. Finally, Ron Paul challenges Romney to a duel, which he foolishly accepts. Unfortunately, both candidates are killed. Ron Paul’s supporters, left without a hero, find a new cause in the only candidate remaining…
Gary Johnson wins the nomination.
Yep, that’s definitely how it’s going to go. This primary is over.