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The Horserace for June 30, 2011

IA Caucus: Feb. 6, 2012
NH Primary: Feb. 14, 2012 (expected)
SC Primary: TBD
NV Caucus: Feb. 18, 2012

The race shakes up this week. It’s the first major shake up of the Presidential horserace in weeks. Michele Bachmann surges into second place — running neck and neck with Mitt Romney. Falling further behind are everyone else.

Tim Pawlenty has stumbled. Gary Johnson is off the track. Newt Gingrich looks to be heading off the track. And then there’s Herman Cain. Cain keeps surprising, but for how much longer?

It looks like Rick Perry is getting into the starting gate and we’ve got to start taking him seriously. Sarah Palin? Well, she’s still not running, but this trip to Iowa raises questions — not just of whether she is running, but who is she helping.

While all eyes are on the starting gate to see who else might get in, Mitt Romney just signaled he’s nervous.

We’ll get into all of it this week in the Horserace. As always, the names are written alphabetically and the take is mine and mine alone as an objective, but conservative, observer of the Presidential horse race.

Michele Bachmann

Michele Bachmann’s polling right now is dazzling and I am now prepared to designate her officially as the anti-Romney candidate. She’s been fighting for legitimacy for months. Her CNN New Hampshire debate performance helped her solidify that legitimacy. Her polling now makes her a top contender. It is a meteoric rise.

The problem for Bachmann is that a meteoric rise typically precedes a meteoric fall in politics. When candidates catch a spark as quickly as Michele Bachmann has, the other campaigns get nervous and a pile on typically ensues. But those campaigns taking off so quickly typically have not made all the staffing decisions they need and can be caught off guard by the pile on, find themselves unable to rapidly respond to the pile on, and flame out.

We’re already seeing the attacks come in both through typical media vetting, liberal bias in the media, and no doubt a few selective leaks from her opponents both in Congress and other campaigns.

Right now though, Bachmann is giving Romney a run for his money in the polls. That doesn’t have Romney worried yet because I’m willing to bet he doesn’t see Bachmann as a long term rival, but as someone who can prevent a greater rival from catching up. HIstory is against Michele Bachmann being the nominee, but she’s having a lot of fun defying history right now.

Herman Cain

The more Michele Bachmann seems to be gaining steam, the more Herman Cain seems to be petering out. He has lost two staffers in the past few days. I am hearing rumblings that his campaign finances are not great. Contrary to some misconceptions, Cain cannot self fund. I love Herman Cain. Al Gore may have invented the internet, but Cain invented pizza, so God bless him. But this isn’t looking good.

Running an insurgent campaign only gets you so far. Insurgent campaigns are heavily grassroots based. But with Michele Bachmann now owning the grassroots, it is hard for Cain to stand out. Bachmann’s rise is his fall.

There is a silver lining for Herman Cain. He continues to have growing name id, high favorable intensity, and is holding his own in most polling. The attacks are going to come fast and furious on Michele Bachmann. Cain could potentially position himself to pick up the pieces. Right now, that is the only way I see him gaining traction.

Newt Gingrich

I no longer see the rationale to Newt Gingrich’s campaign. I have talked to a half dozen people over the past few weeks and all recount the same story. Newt told them he was running and largely saw the field as his to own and master. When you come into a race viewing yourself not as the dark horse, but as the white knight, your campaign strategy immediately goes flat when the voters don’t embrace you as the savior and hero.

The financial loss to the Gingrich media campaign has got to be staggering. The loss to his reputation leaves a lot of us breathless. Were I Gingrich, I wouldn’t limp through continuing to bleed. I’d be up front that the campaign wasn’t going as well as expected, the party seems still unsure of its place in the world, and Newt should declare that he is going to step out and provide the intellectual ammunition for the others — then position himself as the all anti-Obama all the time intellect that he is and rebuild his reputation as the proverbial Moses of the party who doesn’t get into the promised land, but without whom the promised land would have been unattainable.

Jon Huntsman

Up front I admit I am biased against Jon Huntsman for a number of reasons. Though I have to admit his tax record is better than Romney’s. The Huntsman campaign is intent on running as the happy moderate and portraying everyone else and their voters as angry.

The problem with that is Huntsman will then need to do something to get into the good graces of those voters come the general election. Certainly many will come out of loathing of Obama. But when Huntsman is portraying himself and the media is portraying Huntsman as the Republican version of Obama, that’s not exactly helping.

If Utah moves up its primary, Huntsman and Romney will fight it out and the winner there will have some momentum. Right now, Huntsman seems focused on New Hampshire, but even more so states after New Hampshire. If Rick Perry gets in, that axes South Carolina from his strategy. He’ll have what amounts to a Giuliani strategy, which I don’t see getting him far.

And a dog fight in Michigan, Nevada, and New Hampshire with Romney helps Bachmann, Pawlenty, and Perry if he gets in.

Gary Johnson

Gary Johnson will be removed next week from the list. His campaign is dead in the water.

Sarah Palin

I do not, at this point, see signs that Sarah Palin is getting into the race for President. Considering, however, that she was in New Hampshire when MItt Romney announced and Iowa when Michele Bachmann announced, I definitely think Palin is trying to keep the window open to get in if her polling changes.

Right now, if I had to guess, I think she is not running for anything except continued relevance. Palin can legitimately shape up to be the king maker. I continue to dwell on her comments during the bus tour that she wants Rick Perry to run.

Ron Paul

Ron Paul will not be the nominee, but his ability to excite a base of youthful voters is something that continues to impress a lot of people who should know better.

Tim Pawlenty

Pawlenty is feeling the political version of the great stagnation the country is feeling economically. He is going nowhere. The slow and steady pace has been what was keeping Pawlenty alive. To his credit, he has given more substantive economic and foreign policy speeches than any of the other candidates including, surprisingly, Mitt Romney.

But Pawlenty is not gaining traction. He’s seen as boring to some or too nice to others. Neither of those are actually terrible things in a general election, but I don’t think they are translating in a Republican Primary.

I still Pawlenty has the inside edge, but now I must say that this is only if he deals with Bachmann carefully. He’s going to need her support in Iowa. Like Cain, Pawlenty can back on Bachmann going back down in the polls and be there to pick up the pieces. He may also have to get traction by going more aggressively for Romney. If, however, Rick Perry gets in, it is going to make it extremely difficult for Pawlenty.

Rick Perry

The Perry buzz continues to grow. In addition to his trip to South Carolina for the RedState Gathering, I hear Perry’s associates are reaching out to people in Iowa. Every indication is that Perry is serious about getting in, but I suspect he’s first seeing if he can secure funding. If Perry gets in, I think we won’t see Sarah Palin get in and I think we’ll see a few other candidates depart sooner than expected.

Mitt Romney

Romney’s campaign may be playing it safe, but there are signs of concern. A Wall Street Journal article from yesterday has quotes from a Utah elections official who claimed Romney was trying to pressure Utah to move up its primary date even though it would cost Utah citizens $2.5 million to do so.

That Romney is trying to move up the Utah primary to get himself a good win in a favorable state early suggests concern. Likewise, it is Jon Huntsman’s home state too, but surprisingly a lot of polls have Romney beating Huntsman. Pushing up the primary could give Romney a chance to finish off Huntsman early instead of battling Huntsman’s millions in a protracted race.

Likewise, with Bachmann’s surge, we may see a situation where Bachmann wins Iowa, putting her in a position to also win South Carolina. Starting with the GOP Primary in 1980, no Republican has won the nomination without winning South Carolina.

Rick Santorum

I see no rationale for Rick Santorum to remain in the race and I expect him to drop out sooner rather than later. His fundraising is not going to be nearly as impressive as Bachmann’s and he increasingly is without buzz on the campaign trail or an ability to have an impact.

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COMMENTS

  • davidleigh

    I enjoyed reading your comments and agree with you Gov Perry is putting out tentacles to gage financial support. If what you say about Utah comes to light it may be that Romney is more concerned about Perry than anyone else. While Bachmann is an attractive person, she won’t come close to the nomination; she doesn’t have the executive experience and after the age of Obama voters are going to want real experience, espcially with an economy on the brink of disaster. I voted for Romney in the 2008 primary and will support him if he gets the nomination. But it is Perry that I want. Romney tends to come across too phony for the stomach at times. Perry, frankly, is a “man’s man” and a little Reagan-like in that conservatives are still desperate for “their guy.” Romney doesn’t fit that bill at all. I think Perry could wax Obama. I don’t feel that confident with Romney. The press will be relentless with his faith and family. They will try to crush him. Perry, it appears, won’t take it from them. He will give it back two-fold.

  • Whacker77

    Unlike many, I never thought Pawlenty would make a real dent in the 2012 race. He holds a lot of great views and positions, but something is just missing from his campaign. Whether that’s excitement, I don’t know. Personally, I believe he lacks genuiness. Were I him, I would be planning for a Senate run in 2012.

    As for the state of the race, I continue to feel the field is terribly weak. A top tier group that currently consists of Romney, Bachmann, and Huntsman is just crazy. Considering the successes of 2010 and the ineptness of Obama, much better names ought to be running. Something doesn’t add up.

    I would have thought Republicans would have more to offer. Perry may be the answer we’ve been looking for, but what about Jeb, Rubio, Christie, or even Rand Paul. These are the exciting, big time names that would have generated a GREAT primary.

    I’ll support the nominee, but I don’t understand the disconnect between the opportunity that exists and the people who are running.

  • jtlfromfredmd

    ridiculous presser, I believe that even Yosemite Sam could win the election if it was held today. But, in all seriousness, Perry or Bachman have both won me over. I saw Perry on Glenn Beck the other day and he was just great. He is saying all of the right things and he’s beginning to really stoke some fire out in the hinterlands. Bachmann, too, is very good. If either one of them gets in and IF we re-take the Senate, there just may be some light visible at the end of the proverbial tunnel. My one and one-half cents worth of fodder.

  • chihank

    Perry is talking with donors and campaign consultants about a run. Palin is more interested in promoting her DVD and her daughter’s book than running for President.

    I agree with Erick’s theory. When Perry jumps into the race, then Palin will reveal her intentions about 2012 and get behind Perry.

    Also when Newt is finished with his book tour (Presidential campaign), then Newt will back Perry as well. Newt’s Presidential run has destroyed whatever goodwill he had with the grassroots.

  • mtnexile

    Marco Rubio and Rand Paul are needed to hold the line in the Senate (and besides, neither has more than a year’s experience on the national stage). New Jersey needs Christie, apparently, in order to survive. And Jeb Bush needs to stay on the sidelines permanently.

  • rightwingmom52

    the other day. It was chock full of everything a conservative would want to hear (pro life, pro 2nd amendment, tough on spending, etc.). I wish I’d kept it so I could give more detail as it didn’t seem play as happy moderate. Perhaps he’s just playing both sides which seems to be his modus operandi.

  • kripto

    If Utah moves up its primary, Huntsman and Romney will fight it out and the winner there will have some momentum.
    ==============================================
    Huntsman would lose Utah badly to Romney… And Romney knows it, especially since Huntsman has been distancing himself from the Mormon faith. It would be one thing if he was a baptist that respected the LDS faith, its another thing to toss you religion in the trash when it doesn’t suit your political needs.

  • davidsongirl

    She won over the crowd with her intelligence, her views, her commitment and toughness. It’s obvious that she “gets” our situation and she knows the issues. She remembered the names of people who asked questions and was completely charming and thoughtful, in addition to being able to speak at length with no notes. (Too bad we even notice that – all leaders should be able to speak without notes).

    I look forward to hearing Governor Perry, and I love Herman Cain, but Bachmann made a huge impression on South Carolina. She definitely has a shot at the nomination.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    Was there ever a rational reason for a Rino?

  • davidsongirl

    story about her and the “Cut, Cap, and Balance” pledge. She said Senator DeMint had called her as she was about to get on the bus, and she looked forward to reading it, but had not had time. She did say she thinks it doesn’t go far enough. She said DeMint is one of her favorite people, and talked about how Heritage is backing the pledge. She did not say she wouldn’t sign it, as he wants readers to think.

  • davidsongirl

    n/t

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    that because Palin and Perry were good friends and had a similar ideology , that they would not both run at the same time.

  • johninohio

    She’s spending a lot of time and money keeping herself in the limelite, for what? She knows she’s very popular, and when the field of candidates narrows down enough, she’ll come out for the one she likes the most, thus possibly becoming a king maker. Such a service to the chosen candidate, and probable winner in 2012, will not go unnoticed, and it would put her in position for some kind of cabinet post or even perhaps, the VP position. Who knows? She is very canny and I believe she will succeed at whatever she has in mind–Barring re-election of BO.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    That vulcan mind meld thing would be awesome to use against Democrats.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    then she more or less guarantees that Obama is not reelected. Right now, only Palin, of all the Republicans (even RP) would lose the independent vote.

  • BigRedConservative

    A happy moderate OR an angry polemicist. More a careful treader of the chasm between the two. It’s a tricky strategy; he might come across as a man for all seasons, but just as likely he’ll end up as a spineless uber-politician.

    I am, I confess, ambivalent towards Huntsman. I would like to write him off immediately, yet I keep coming back to him. Worrying. The main role I see for him in the race is to finish off Romney. That would surely make me the happiest bunny in the world.

  • Whacker77

    Like you, I prefer Rubio and Paul both make careers out of the Senate. I think both would be exceptional voices for their wings of the conservative movement. I think Rubio, generally, speaks for the more activists intenational wing while Paul does not.

    Unlike you, I think Jeb would be a great candidate, both for conservatives and the general election. I do not support his immigration views, but I think he would beat Obama 40 states to 10. I think everyone else mentioned loses, except maybe Perry.

    Regardless, I just can’t believe Romney and the ganag are the best a national party has to offer.

  • NHConservative0227

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:

    Palin has been running ever since she resigned as governor. It’s going to come down to her and Romney, she’ll beat him and then beat Obama.

    Everyone can keep writing her off now, it’ll only be that much sweeter when she’s elected as our 45th President!

    Here’s 6 reasons why Palin is running, courtesy of your friends at conservatives4palin:

    http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/06/six-clues-palin-is-running-for-president.html

  • carolina

    If Perry runs, then she does not need to run – she (and her loyal supporters) will have someone they can count on.

  • myron_j_poltroonian

    would be Barak Obama as the living pool of oil. “Worship Me” seems to be his schtick anyway.

  • myron_j_poltroonian

    Gelded Republican

  • myron_j_poltroonian

    “2012 – The year of Real Women”, “Our pair have a bigger ‘Pair’ than your pair”. Any questions?

  • Adjoran

    is that the state doesn’t pay for party primaries any more. So Republicans will have to pay for the whole thing, including poll workers.

    This usually means fewer precincts open, which can mean a long drive and requires voters to have paid enough attention to know where their precinct will vote.

    The significance is that opinion polling won’t mean as much leading up to the vote – it will be far more important to have dedicated and enthusiastic support rather than broad but tepid support.

    ~~~~~

    Speaking of significance, since when does Huntsman or Johnson have any? I think a candidate should be polling above the margin of error in at least some polls before we take them seriously.

  • mtnexile

    are enough to disqualify him, in my opinion. But I also don’t think he’d make a good candidate, because there are too many people out there who would refuse to support him–not because of his policies, but simply because his name is “Bush.” It may not be rational, but it’s a powerful sentiment; and in an election that is ours for the taking I see no reason to make it harder than it needs to be.

    As for everyone else losing: a mangy dog could take down Obama, so long as his name isn’t “Bush.”

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    I would not support another Bush for any reason whatsoever. I do not beleive that it is in the best interests of either the Republican Party or the United states of America to become subject to a political dynasty.

  • septembergurl

    as EE posits, Jon Huntsman.

    Michele Bachmann is the Republican Obama — the charismatic candidate who comes out of nowhere to sweep aside the more conventional candidates, as Obama did in 2008. Like Obama, she’s an ideologue wrapped in an appealing, fresh, persona. Like Obama, she is a phenomenal small-donor fundraiser. She is a woman in a field of men, as Obama was a black man in a field of whites. She’s a powerful speaker, feeding off the enthusiasm of the crowd. She has the ability to mythologize herself and her experiences, as Obama does, creating a compelling narrative about herself that legitimizes and explains various positions, policies, etc. She is disciplined and focused.

    All in all, an excellent candidate, and I’d vote for her in a heartbeat. However, the election of 2012 will turn on the ability of Republicans to make the case that Obama’s lack of executive experience and his lack of leadership qualities disqualify him for a second term. In other words, Obama is OK, he is just in the wrong job.

    Despite his appalling performance as President, Obama remains personally popular. He has lost the independents and the Republicans who voted for him in 2008, but retains the support of Democraps, even the Libs and Lefties who complain about him. He will not face a challenger in his own party in 2012, unlike Carter and LBJ, though Obama is actually a much worse President than either of them, (maybe the worst President since Wilson).

    Not so much “You’re fired” as “It’s not working out….maybe you’d be happier in another job, like…community organizer”

    With that in mind, the horserace:

    Bachmann: strong in the early states, fades after SC.

    Perry: Formidable. The Southern candidate will do well in Iowa and SC. He can go the distance. Questions: Fundraising? Organization? Excellent record, will pick up the Tea Party support when Bachmann fades,

    Pawlenty: Didn’t get the Redstate love for Pawlenty in 2008, when RS was pushing him for VP, don’t get it now. Mediocre pol, way over his head at the level of Presidential politics.

    Palin: Not running. Well positioned to play kingmaker.

    Gingrich: What Erick said.

    Cain: A factor, but a minor one, in the early contests(Iowa & SC)

    Ron Paul: Polls at 8-10 per cent, wins 5-7%. I just factor that in as the cost of doing business in Rep primaries, sigh.

    Santorum:: out after NH, if not sooner.

    Romney & Huntsman: Running general election campaigns, Romney because he can and Huntsman because he has to be the not-Romney. How long can this last, we will see. Face the reality that our nominee will be one of these two, because they fill the need I described above.

    Oh, and Huntsman? He’s the Republican JFK.

  • mine

    I’m happy with all the top tier candidates. I don’t believe there are huge differences amongst them as some suggest. I love Bachmann and Cain the most though. I think Obama will need every cent of a billion dollars and more to beat this field. Have you ever seen a more clueless President. What an embarassment to the country. How does an idiot get to be President?

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    :)

    I think you’re wrong. Obama is not ‘OK, but not right for the job’. He’s definitely not OK, even his own are calling him foul names on national television. Obama like Carter is going down by virtue of a failure to provide leadership in anything.

    He’s failed economically, he’s failed in foreign policy, and he’s failed in social and domestic issues staying true to form on his ‘present’ (or not present, and golfing) voting record… he’s all hype and marketing, and not much else. The things that have turned out good during his presidency, I believe would have happened naturally to anyone who was president during the same period, and that goes for the OBL win.

    I believe that Huntsman is getting in not to win, but to establish name recognition and be the McCain retread type candidate for the next few cycles. Eventually he’ll end up on some cable network as a paid Pundit. He’s lame.

    Some of your analysis is justified, but this… this just doesn’t make sense:

    Oh, and Huntsman? He’s the Republican JFK

    I’m not sure if that is more of an insult to JFK or to the intelligence of primary voting republicans.

    As for Romney’s general campaign will serve him well with people over the age of 60 that don’t pay close attention politics… and he’s banking on this crowd turning out high in the primaries…

    From the framework of your arguments, I’d have to assume that you almost prefer either Huntsman or Romney… but you’d accept Perry… and all others are 2nd tier to you.

    If my assumption is correct, you could have just said so.

  • YnotNOW

    must not be the Kennedy type, but the John F. Kerry type.

  • powertothepeople

    regardless of whether or not she runs, have to be some of the weakest “clues” I have seen to date. Whoever came up with that nonsense should leave blogging and politics to others who actually have a clue about what they are talking about.

  • davidsongirl

    this is the combo to make the left absolutely insane!

  • snowshooze

    I enjoy the horse race pieces and think you do a pretty darned good job brushing it all out.
    Yeah, I wish Cain would turn it up a bit too.
    Perry could flip the whole game.

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  • californiagold

    Of the names listed by Erick, (both announced and unannounced), there’s only four that are serious contenders for the nomination.

    1) Rick Perry
    2) Mitt Romney
    3) Sarah Palin
    4) Michele Bachmann

    If Perry gets in, he will be a formidable candidate that cannot be underestimated.. Perry has a reputation as a tireless campaigner who excels at retail politics. Perry also has crossover appeal among evangelicals, tea party members, and establishment folks. If he doesn’t run, then Romney and Bachmann will fight it out for the nomination.

    As for Newt, someone needs to tell him to quietly exit the race, he’s past his prime. And Santorum and Pawlenty are just taking up space with little chance of winning delegates, let alone the nomination.

    Cain has a great resume, but doesn’t have the organization, money, or name I.D. to win the nomination. Huntsman is a favorite over on MSNBC, so his odds of winning the republican nomination are slim and none.

    Ironically, Erick doesn’t have much nice to say about Gary Johnson, yet as governor of New Mexico, reports suggest that Johnson’s record as a fiscally conservative governor was as good, if not better, than any other candidate in the race.

    As for Ron Paul, his foreign policy views will hurt him among many republicans, but might help him among independents – particularly in states with open primaries.

  • septembergurl

    Check what I say about Obama being the worst President since Wilson.

    It’s not so much that I prefer Romney or Huntsman as that I understand one of them is going to be the nominee. Why? Money.

    Also, money. Rick Perry is also top tier. Bachmann would be top tier in any other year.

    The rest, not.

  • NHConservative0227

    Just remember I told you so.

    You and many others on this site have been pretty anti-Palin for whatever reason.

    It’s going to come down to Palin vs. Romney. You and all your ABP friends at Redstate will then have to choose between a real conservative and a moderate/establishment guy.

  • NHConservative0227

    Then why didn’t Romney win last time?

  • NHConservative0227

    Palin excites the base like no other contender, no one is even close to her level.

    When she showed up at a rally to help reelect Perry, you had well over 5000 people there.

    When it’s just Perry, you don’t even get over a 1000.

  • rickbulow74

    He is backed and sponsored by the Bilderberg Group, the same group which had supported the Clintons and Barack Obama.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90jfQrb4wAE
    http://www.infowars.com/bilderberg-approved-perry-set-to-become-presidential-frontrunner/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU2-BqOTG0c

  • acat

    and Palin has yet to change polling among the squishy middle we most need to win in November.

    Mew

  • acat

    srsly

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    She’ll have a fit.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Perry actually completes his terms in office and gets reelected. Oh, and Perry will carry Texas while Palin will probably lose Alaska.

    If by some stroke (no pun intended, Shriner) of misfortune Palin gets the nomination, the biggest concern will be who the VP candidate is. We’ll need someone well qualified to finish out her term when she resigns in 2014.

  • NHConservative0227

    Try coming up with some new talking points for once!

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    The old ones are true and unrefuted.

    And her vaunted “tour” so far is a complete bust in terms that will move one independent voter in her direction. But you probably missed that given the light from the shrine blinding you to any form of reality.

  • acat

    There’s nothing new to talk about until she does so.

    Mew

  • NHConservative0227

    The squishy middle and independents are followers, not leaders.

    The majority of independents are either soft Dems or Repubs.

    Give them a strong conservative and they will support that person. Reagan proved this, he didn’t cater to polls and the squishy middle.

    Then again the polls showed him getting obliterated by Carter, so yeah lets put stock into meaningless polls now before Palin even announces!

    Oh and by squishy middle, that applies to many of the ABP people right here at Redstate.

  • acat

    It’s thrown the media into stark relief – when ya can’t tell the “serious journos” from the TMZ-esque papparazos – it gives more weight to the charges of media bias.

    It’s also likely been a good experience for her family.

    Mew

  • NHConservative0227

    Why even bother to think for one self. Just look at the polls to decide how to vote!

    Great plan!!

    Even this Daily Kos pollster admits there will be a significant boost to Palin’s numbers once she declares!

    http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/06/bachmann-up-in-new-mexico.html

  • acat

    Reagan worked for four years to change how people saw him before his win, through speeches, op-ed pieces, and interviews.

    Palin has not moved how pepole see her.

    Mew

  • acat

    That’s all kinds of #Winning! ….

    Charlie Sheen called, he wants to go on tour with you.

    Mew

  • acat

    They were close in terms of dollars, but McCain came into the race with the media providing cover – the value in dollars to that is huge.

    Mew

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    nt

  • Tbone

    or putting a derogatory label on them? Why can’t you be satisfied with just beclowning yourself with your incessant anti-Palin drivel? Yes, Becker, we all realize that she makes you feel inadequate and we do feel sorry for you, but don’t blindly lash out at other posters who happen to like her. They mostly are just regular people who are willing to recognize that she is a very accomplished person.

    Now you can email the aa boys to come and pile on. Pathetic.

  • acat

    Oh wait, you were serious? Oh.

    I’ll just be backing away slowly, then.

    Mew

  • gekster

    till your gone, what is wrong with McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King et-al supporting a candidate.
    All he has left to get support from is the Build-a Whalers. (the fish group).

    (also, you didn’t get the memo that Build-a Burger conspiracists are banned on sight?)

  • Bill S

    The base is going to vote GOP no matter what. Only an insane person would stay at home and let Obama run rampant another four years.

    Palin doesn’t play well in the middle at all. That middle 40% is who needs to be convinced. Not turned off.

    The trick is to find someone who doesn’t turn them off and who also possesses an appropriate level of conservative ideals. Perry fits that bill well…better than anyone else on the list.

  • rickbulow74

    If you were to do your research, you would find out these things. Not many do that. AS one talk show host says, “do not believe anything I say unless you do the research yourself or it is consistent with what you believe in” This is something people want to suppress a bunch of yak squeeze, but it is out there in the news and on the internet

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  • powertothepeople

    you really have some issues don’t you.

    By the way, I would hold my nose just as hard for Palin as I would Romney. You may worship at the Sarah Shrine, I do not.

    And those clues were moronic and I would have said the same thing no matter who wrote them or who they were about. Like a silly child wrote them.

    PS She is not running and I do plan on saying to you, “I told you so.”

  • gekster

    when this trash first came out.
    Rick Perry was invited to speak at the group to talk about “state-federal relations”. How is that a endorsement.
    George bush once talked at an NAACP event, and they never endorsed him.

    All the websites that say he is “hand picked” by them are all left or left leaning blog sites. No agenda there now, is there.
    And after some research, I can not find where any member of the group has publicly endorsed him, or where he has said he accepted thier endorsment.
    But, then again, we all know it’s super secret, and only a few priviledged individuals like yourself would have the inside info.

  • chihank

    Palin isn’t running. She waiting for Perry to jump into the race and then endorse him. I suggest you follow your boss’s lead and back Rick Perry. The Texas Governor has a solid record of job creation.

  • Scope

    it has been much more so the Paulies that are running around shouting Perry is a Build-a-Burger. No one loves a good conspiracy theory more than the Paulies.

    BTW, your old bud (haha) writeblock has been over at the Daily Caller trying to convince everyone there to vote for Guiliani, and screaming about the way we hold primaries. Thought you’d like that.

  • gekster

    .

  • izoneguy

    N/T

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    .

  • rightwingmom52

    .

  • acat

    Just sayin’

    Mew

  • Danielle Davis (ocleverone)

    I’ve missed you. I haven’t seen you post in awhile (please accept my apologies if I missed them).

  • rightwingmom52

    ..

  • izoneguy

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/8-things-you-should-know-about-thaddeus-mccotter-20110626

    McCotter asked fellow members of Congress to join him in supporting H. R. 3501, the Humanity and Pets Partnered Through the Years (HAPPY) Act. The bill proposes to allow pet owners a $3,500 annual tax deduction for “qualified pet-care expenses.”

    The union presence in McCotter’s district has led him to sometimes support labor-related bills. He was one of 13 Republicans to vote for passage of an organized-labor bill to expedite union organization and was in favor of government intervention for General Motors and Chrysler.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Yes, you are.

  • BA Cyclone

    From about Februrary until last weekend I was 100% on board for Cain, but one debate and her weekend rollout here totally has me re-thinking right now.

    She is very striking politically, and I did not fully expect that. Plus she has a way with a crowd that is hard to describe.

    Frankly, maybe her biggest hurdle might be to overcome what might be described as her stereotype or the false public persona that’s been portrayed of her by the media up until now. The more she is able to get in front of local / regional / national audiences, I think the more her campaign will gain a strong foundation.

  • BA Cyclone

    From about Februrary until last weekend I was 100% on board for Cain, but one debate and her weekend rollout here totally has me re-thinking right now.

    She is very striking politically, and I did not fully expect that. Plus she has a way with a crowd that is hard to describe.

    Frankly, maybe her biggest hurdle might be to overcome what might be described as her stereotype or the false public persona that’s been portrayed of her by the media up until now. The more she is able to get in front of local / regional / national audiences, I think the more her campaign will gain a strong foundation.

  • Finrod

    .. just to watch your head explode. And mbecker’s.

  • YnotNOW

    from “all the candidates are weak – why don’t we have better choices” to a narrative of “we’ve got some really good choices and an excellent chance to beat Obama”.

    I like your optimism and wish more of us could agree that ANY of them are a better choice than what we’ve got, and some are genuinely excellent.

    I’m liking Bachman right now, with Pawlenty the fall-back if she fizzles (as EE correctly points out). But I could easily cross over to the Perry camp if he jumps into the race. Essentially the “anti-Romney” camp however that coalesces.

  • acat

    I do not think Palin would be a great president, but I think she’s smart enough to do pretty well. She’d likely pick a good cabinet and veep, and she’d give congress the necessary heck to keep ‘em on track.

    I do think she’d be among the worst possible candidate choices.

    If she wins the nomination, we need to send all the conservatives we can to the House and Senate.

    Mew

  • Bill S

    I suspect the DC lets a lot more of that kind of idiocy go on…too bad for them.

  • NHConservative0227

    Like achance and the other corrupt pols that Palin went after in AK.

    What else would explain such hatred for Palin and her supporters?

  • NHConservative0227

    Palin is among the worse choices?

    Worse than Romney??

    Hunstman??

    Pawlenty???

  • NHConservative0227

    but that’s not surprising given your previous replies regarding Palin.

    If even a Daily KOS pollster can admit that Palin’s numbers will get a big increase when she declares, then it should be obvious to all, even the ABP haters here that Palin’s numbers will improve!

    That the Daily KOS would do anything it can to diminish Palin,but they’re forced to admit that her numbers would improve show that the polls don’t mean anything now.

    That’s what campaigns are for, give Palin a chance before writing her off before she even announces!

  • Scope

    also Danielle. BTW, Danielle is one of my very favorite female names of all times. Hope all is well with you.

  • aesthete

    I guess you *can’t* take it like you can dish it out — what a shock.

  • aesthete

    Those who are unconvinced that the media is biased will not be convinced by the way that the media has handled the Palin tour; it’s almost entirely irrelevant, given that we’re going to have a biased media that some quarter of the American electorate trusts for the long haul. The next Republican administration will have to deal with this liability, not just whine about it. Breitbart and co do a better job of providing alternate media/exposing media bias, anyways. If her family enjoyed the trip, that’s great, but again not relevant to the current discussion.

  • Scope

    The comments on some of the articles are almost unreadable. I’ve been called a s1ut, a pig, a RINO Ho, and one guy hoped my parents weren’t still breeding, among others, because I said I thought Papa Paul was a fraud, and that his foreign policy is dangerous. That’s why I pointed out to gekster that it is the Paulies that are flying around the web with the Build-a-Burger garbage.

  • aesthete

    She’s got a few own-goals to score before she can get as bad as those two.

    Worse than Pawlenty? Yes, definitely. Pawlenty at least stood up to his legislature and gave a shot at conservative governance. Palin was forced to some austerity by the Republicans in the AK leg who actually cared about things like budgets and government spending, and by the natural constraints of AK’s government and revenue system.

  • Scope

    is truly a non-serious candidate. He has less name recognition than anyone, in, or thinking of getting in. He’s also late out of the starting gate for someone who has to first introduce himself to everyone except his constituents, set up a national team, raise funds, hire staff in the early states etc. With some, it appears their main goal is to let a few more people hear their name so they will buy their books.

    I’ve read some saying that he has a very dry humor. The only time I heard him in an interview, he came across to me as being a very arrogant schmuck.

  • rightwingmom52

    First, I agree he doesn’t have a shot, but other than his union ties, he seems like a pretty straight shooter and does have a very dry, sarcastic humor. But he’s probably slighty below the middle of the pack on my list.

    His website www.mccotterrocks.com is not your run of the mill political site (note the educated idiots awards). This video alone makes me like him because I get the impression he really doesn’t much care what liberals think of him.

  • http://theheartlander.wordpress.com/ heartlander

    …what he thinks of unions and why he supported the stuff he did. Unlike so many politicians, he will very straightforwardly tell you. He’s (1) totally frank, and (2) more articulate than anybody up there (with possible exception of Gingrich, who has other problems). I have never seen him hem and haw and hedge his bets when answering a question.

    Thad is not supporting corrupt union bosses. He cares about union members, as does Sarah Palin, who is quick to remind people that her husband is a union member.

    Thad sees unions as ideally being one of those “intermediating” social institutions, as are churches, parent-teacher organizations, bowling leagues, community theatres, neighborhood clubs, etc. The industrial-welfare state has weakened these structural supports of society, leaving isolated individuals without support on the one hand, and big nanny-state government on the other. If intermediating institutions are strong, individuals and families are less at the mercy of big government, and indeed are enabled to reduce the scope and power of the federal government.

    McCotter envisions unions not as they are but as they should be, sharing the view of them held by G.K. Chesterton, Allan Carlson and Orestes Brownson, all of whom he quotes often.

    In fact, if I had to come up with the shortest possible phrase to describe Thad McCotter’s particular worldview, I’d call him a G.K. Chesterton conservative.

    READ HIS BOOK, Seize Freedom! and you will see what I mean.

    Also, check out his website, McCotter2012.

  • Tbone

    in Back to the Future swaggering around Redstate calling names and trying to intimidate other posters and usually with a few toadies in tow.

    Granted, there are those who seem inclined to kiss Palin’s feet but to the rest of us, looking from eye level, you Palin anklebiters look the same, just butts in the air and nothing but meaningless yapping from your other ends.

  • Tbone

    Gots to earn your bone.

  • snowshooze

    Now… that is good.
    Thanks for posting !

  • snowshooze

    That is NOT the way to build a tin foil hat, and I take exception.
    Feel free to contact me, and I will gladly help you fashion the proper Tin Foil/Mind/control blocking hat.
    It has been proven that where the Hershey’s kiss style blocks about 81% of the mind control broadcast frequency, the American Indian full ceremonial style comes in at over 93%, the Viking style comes in at 87% and the very best is the Bullwinkle special… with a solid lead of 98.4% total blockage.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I’ve said a bunch of times that it won’t surprise me if she can get the nomination.

    On the other hand, the general election will be a wipe out on the order of Barry Goldwater.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    You have yet to put up a post at Redstate that contained a fact. Palin has major problems that you and the Shriners simply don’t want to deal with. The yappers are you and the zipwads. You don’t deal in facts, you won’t deal with the fact that a huge chunk of the independents who are going to elect the next president can’t stand the sight or sound of her and she’s doing nothing to try to repair her numbers.

    You can go back in the basement now.

  • mikefrey

    They would love to have Palin as the nominee, as she is the one Republican the Communists can beat.

  • Tbone

    Whether she runs or not is really no concern of mine. I’m just pointing out that you are a name calling bully and you spew your anti-Palin nonsense like a rainbird every time anyone posts a Palin positive comment. Now they are “Shriners”?

    You want a fact? Google “mbecker908 idiot” and 5130 results come up where you have called another poster an idiot.

    Want another? Google “mbecker908 shriner” and 366 results come back. Read them Michael. Most contain “back in the basement shriner”. That’s 366 times you have attacked a Palin positive post with your new little tag.

    Nope, you are just as pathetic as Biff the Bully. It would be amusing were it not such a sad reflection on your core character.

  • Tbone

    ticket would win in a walkover.

  • azaeroprof

    Would she lose if the election were held today, no doubt. Could she lose decisively in a general, perhaps. But LBJ beat Goldwater something like 64-36. Sorry, but there’s no way Obama gets within driver distance of 64%. A best-case scenario for Obama against anybody, including Palin, is 55-45. And that’s an outside chance, even with Palin.

    (And if I’m going to put away my shrine, you can put away your voodod doll! :) ).

  • powertothepeople

    Palin zealots, your rhetoric is just as inflammatory especially when it comes to NRA detractors. Really find it funny that you use the Biff analogy especially considering the reading “redstate tbone sparky” provides. My word search would contain the phrase “moron” so I would tend to think we are all kettles here.

    Just meet in the alley and be done with this.

  • acat

    Not as a President – I think she’d be a bit above middle of the pack. I said so. You deliberately ignored it.

    She lacks the experience of Pawlenty or Perry, has made more unforced errors than Bachmann or Cain, and has a big pile of negatives to overcome with moderates and the squishy middle to win the general.

    She would immediately polarize the race, making it about her, not about Obama. She would not be a good *candidate*.

    As Rush was, at one point, fond of saying – “Words have meanings”.

    Mew

  • luvnthebigsites

    Three points,

    1) You have to have thick skin to post at Redstate.

    2) “Palin derangement syndrome” Is non-discriminatory… It can effect “anyone”.

    3) I have never witnessed anyone in the threads ‘Swagger”. If it happens… Someone please let me know if I miss it.

  • acat

    Or did your mythical Daily Kos post explain *why* her polling would go up?

    If you look right over here at Neil’s primary posting piece (http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2011/06/30/we-need-real-useful-primary-polling/) you’ll see that Palin is polling within the margin of error of “Too Soon To Say”, and well behind several of the other declared candidates.

    So, even in an annoyingly open poll, and a head-to-head one similar to what you’ve cited in the past, Palin isn’t closing the gap.

    Show me why she’ll make a good candidate. At this point, I do not see it.

    Mew

  • izoneguy

    mbecker & Tbone were friends…..

    Google “Obama is an idiot”

    46,600,000 hits…..

    About the same number that voted for him.

    Let’s use our energy to get Obama’s Google hits up.

  • luvnthebigsites

    nt

  • gekster

    And when it comes to Palin, some like to get bloodier than others.

  • acat

    [nt]

  • acat

    We’re gonna get bloody – the media will see to it. If Palin’s supporters can’t take a little heat on a “friendly” site …

    Mew

  • gekster

    just pointing out a fact.

  • Tbone

    Otherwise, you need to wander away. I have seen nothing from you that would indicate anything more than pedantic vocabulary supported by a mediocre education layered on a very average intellect. Run along.

  • aesthete

    that ‘becker has friends and that you don’t? You’re far more entertaining when you just bite at peoples’ ankles, instead of whining like a junior higher whenever people (gasp!) happen to agree with each other on a website whose express purpose is to gather like-minded people to further some goal or other.

  • aesthete

    nt

  • powertothepeople

    if the same comment came from someone capable of placing one solid thought on this site ever. But since you fail to meet that very low requirement, I find it laughable at best. It really is hard to take an insult serious from a guy who has never had an original thought and names himself after a steak.

    But by golly, sure am impressed at your…….um…….vocabulary. Gosh, just do not think I could ever compete with you when it comes to “big” words especially with you wonderful skill at using a thesaurus.

  • zooboy

    One for Pres, the other for Veep.
    Red meat to enthuse the Party base, and attractive to conservative-leaning independents, who view the Republican Party as not conservative enough to represent them.
    I’ve no qualms about these two, as I have about Perry’s conservative bona fides.
    Also Bachmann/Cain will get a few extra % from those who will vote for the first woman president, and the first all-black nominee to a ticket.

  • blooch

    Or not.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

  • Finrod

    In short, mbecker occasionally posts something insightful (though pretty much never about Palin). I’ve yet to see anything from you, powertothepeople, that could be in any way labeled ‘insightful’ except in the sarcastic sense.

    If you want to engage in a battle of wits, you could at least arm yourself first.

  • powertothepeople

    I see your tenure as a vermeilman has not ended. Surprised though you were able to put together a sentence without drooling out the word Palin.

    And with either of you, no one needs arms to match the wit you two have even if combined. But nice to see you rush to Tbone’s side.

  • Tbone

    that would indicate I come here seeking “friends”. It fact, that concept has never even occurred to me in that I have a real life. I can’t help but wonder if you have reflected why you need to spend so much time here acting like a lapdog seeking approval and self justification that is so obviously lacking in your offline life.

    Granted, if this is the best you can do, then it is a blessing that you have found an environment that can provide something more than imaginary friends.

    I do think it is admirable that you at least aspire to your tag line though you certainly present yourself more as Becker’s dog than a man of your own.

  • Tbone

    if you took my observations and comments about your abilities and capabilities as insults. In your case, they were meant as compliments.

  • acat

    Although Perry/Cain or Perry/Gingrich would also do well. ..

    Cain and Gingrich are both southern, so don’t have the potential to put Minnesota in play like Bachmann – and it’s unlikely Georgia will go blue.

    Cain is as good a red-meat thrower as Bachmann, and has far more business credibility, although less inside-government experience. For the Veep slot, that’s less of a concern.

    Gingrich is a congressional wonk, and brings national campaign experience, so should help with the campaigning and ensure the White House is in sync with the Senate and the House…. although I have my concerns about him.

    Bachmann, of the three, does appear to be the strongest pick for Perry… although that does leave Palin on the sidelines cheering.

    You okay with that, Tbone?

    Mew

  • Tbone

    Granted, his postings are to rational discourse as banging on a trash can lid is to music. He does not possess the intellectual tools to recognize that fact any more than a child of 5 can appreciate that the lid is not a musical instrument.

    As such, it is unfair and ungracious, (not to say obviously a total waste of time)to not let him bang away in the futility of self disillusionment.

    Comfort yourself with the fact that at least pups can be trained not to poop on the carpet. As for pttp, no.

  • Tbone

    He got cut as being of no further value.

  • NHConservative0227

    Is that what you mean by Pawlenty standing up??

    Or maybe it was he mandated that the percentage of ethanol in gas in MN go up to 20%?

    The guy declared too early and his campaign is already losing money. Palin is being smart by biding her time.

    Pawlenty is too weak. He wouldn’t even call out Romney during the last debate over Romneycare and admitted so afterwards. Yeah, that’s the guy I want to put up against Obama!!

  • acat

    (redacted)

    Mew

  • NHConservative0227

    We don’t need to worry about placating them with a more moderate candidate like Pawlenty, Romney, or Huntsman.

    Basically the only two real conservatives with a shot are Palin and Bachmann at this point.

    Palin has over 8 years executive experience and almost 20 years in government. I think she’s more than qualified. She’s the most vetted candidate ever. There’s nothing else they can do to her at this point. I remember mbecker saying how the emails would not be good for Palin.

    How’d that one work out??? They found nothing and actually made Palin look even better!

    The media will seek to destroy any conservative. Just look at how Chris Wallace asked Bachmann if she was a flake. We shouldn’t worry about that garbage during the nomination.

  • NHConservative0227

    and there’s not anything you can do about it!

    She will tear up the other weak moderates and will absolutely destroy Obama.

    Acat, mentioned Rush above.

    Rush keeps saying the way to beat Obama is to keep taking it to him. Palin’s been doing that for the last 3 years and has more courage than all the weak GOP moderate candidates combined.

  • NHConservative0227

    That mbecker is a classy guy!

  • NHConservative0227

    Another vicious Palin hater to add to the quality of Redstate!

    No wonder why the site hits keep going down!

  • gekster

    senate primary, he turned around and supported Murkowski for the write-in.
    Seeing the writing on the wall, he more or less jumped ship.

  • powertothepeople

    if you repeat this very same line another 45 times, someone may actually think it to be clever.

    One original thought, we are rooting for you.

  • Bill S

    STOP. NOW.

    Do NOT continue this exchange. Walk away and stop the personal attacks.

    (This applies to everyone, not just the person I’ve responded to here)

  • Tbone

    http://www.redstate.com/achance/2010/09/17/site-rules-dictate-that-i-withdraw-from-posting-here/

    I had the distinct pleasure of providing the first comment and as you can see, Management didn’t think too much of his fond goodbye either. He was such a two bit jerk just because Palin booted him and his crooked cronies out of their spots at the public trough.

  • Tbone

    I’m done.

  • Tbone

    Palin has already had her bite at the VP apple and can add nothing there. Her only option is President and Perry is a much better candidate than Palin.

    Most importantly, because Palin has already taken the MSM beating as a good looking, conservative, accomplished woman, when they start in on Bachmann it will really ring hollow as a redeux.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    1. Art Chance was not a politician. He wasn’t elected, he worked in the Human Resources Department for the State of Alaska, and for a time he ran it.

    2. Art worked with Palin, never for her. In fact, he supported her election as Governor in the general election and retired several months prior to her taking office.

    3. With respect to the “corrupt” politicians in Alaska, Murkowski was cleared of all charges. In fact, the only two politicians that have ethics problems in the State would be Joe Miller, who is still swinging in the wind with respect to campaign funding charges and Palin who resigned her office rather than actually fight charges that she insisted were nothing.

    4. Please note that Palin did not have to personally hire an attorney, she only had to get certification from her AG that her actions were consistent with her office and the issue would have gone away.

    5. Nobody here “hates” Palin. Certainly not me. I’ve posted time and again that she can be a valuable asset to the party and specifically in the ’12 election, just not as our candidate. And, unlike you and the rest of the Palin worshipers, I’ve actually posted factual reasons why I oppose her candidacy.

    6. As with all of your posts, this one is devoid of fact or any semblance of reality, and doesn’t even measure up as a decent “name calling” effort.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Art withdrew. For whatever reason somebody decided to ban him well after he withdrew.

    Palin didn’t “boot” him, he retired several months before she took office. And as far as “crooked cronies” Murkowski was cleared of everything and the only people with questionable ethics in Alaska politics are Joe Miller who is currently swinging in the wind over campaign finance issues and Palin herself who resigned rather than ask the AG of AK to certify her actions were within the scope of her office, which would have made all the ethics charges against her go away.

    Again, a factual void on your part.

  • izoneguy

    Anyone who was in favor of government intervention for General Motors and Chrysler was supporting corrupt union bosses.

  • luvnthebigsites

    Heard him on Hannity (Fred Thomson sub) yesterday thump China pretty hard… (almost Trump-like). And Yea… He could Host the Red-Eye and not miss a beat…

    Welcome Thaddeus… Glad to have you at the party. ;)

  • aesthete

    indicating that you come here to edify or analyze, so I’m being charitable in assuming that you’re looking for friends among your betters. Otherwise, I just have to assume that you show up here to satisfy your latent anti-Semitism, racism and other undesireable and frankly psychotic attributes that tend to pop up in posts where you aren’t defending the Anointed One.

  • aesthete

    I’m out, too.

  • aesthete

    though I’m more disappointed and concerned by the renewable energy mandate that was attached to the C&T stuff which requires 25% of Minnesota energy to come from renewable sources (what you mention vis a vis ethanol). Palin had a similar bill for her state, but pegged it at 50% instead of 25% (though to provide context, I believe that ~20-28% of AK’s energy prior to the bill’s passage was already coming from renewables). Pawlenty disavowed C&T; neither candidate (to my knowledge) has apologized for the renewable energy mandate.

    I also agree with you that Pawlenty’s inability to stand up to Romney was incredibly weak, and that he seems to be a surprisingly weak candidate overall. However, he does have the strongest record out of the bunch (sans Gary Johnson), and is saying the right things about entitlements. Palin, to her credit, was among the first Republicans to support Paul Ryan’s Roadmap, but I just don’t think that she could get it passed as President and make it stick, judging from her experience as AK’s Governor.

    There are no perfect candidates; just trade-offs. A candidate whose major accomplishments in office were neither conservative nor successful, and who has shown a propensity to leave when the going gets tough, is IMO not among our better choices for President especially when she has already found a niche where she can be successful and productive for both herself and the broader conservative movement.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    But then we’ve known that for a long time.

    What I said about the emails, several times as a matter of fact, was that there would likely be no smoking guns in them but that the media would drag them out and overall they would not help her improve her F/Us with independents.

    Which is exactly what happened. Worked out just as I predicted.

    You think they made her look “better”. Maybe in the light of your shrine. You should avoid any reference to F/U trends when making those rash statements because Palin is in just as deep a hole as she was in before they were released and she’s still digging.

    With respect to Wallace and Bachmann, you’ve picked the very reason why Bachmann is a significantly better candidate than Palin and why Palin will not make any headway with anybody but people who can process rational thought about things like elections.

    One of Palin’s very big problems is her portrayal of the media as people who are out to get her. And, part and parcel with that portrayal is her steadfast refusal to go one on one with anybody who might ask a hard or a followup question. She confines her responses to whinny counterattacks on Facebook that never answer a question, they simply fire back with the “out to get me” meme. And, like it or not, it’s old and it’s not effective with most of the electorate.

    Bachmann isn’t afraid to go one on one with anybody in the media and she takes her complaints about bias directly to them – not a Facebook mob – as she did very successfully with Wallace. From AdWeek’s story on the subject:

    Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace caused quite a stir this past weekend when he asked Republican presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann, ?Are you a flake? But you understand when I say that, that?s what the rap on you is.?

    Later, in his post-show blog, ?Wallace Watch,? the host apologized for the question, saying, ?I?m sorry. I didn?t mean any disrespect. I simply was trying to put an issue that?s out there directly to her because [some people] do dismiss her as a ?flake.??

    But when ABC?s World News’ Jon Karl asked Bachmann if she accepted Wallace?s apology, she said, “I think that it’s insulting to insinuate that a candidate for president is less than serious. I’m a very serious individual.”

    So, last night, Wallace called Bachmann to offer a more personal mea culpa. ?I got a call at supper time this evening from Chris Wallace and he offered his apology to me directly,? Bachmann told Sean Hannity on his Fox News show later in the evening. ?I had not heard from him until supper time today. When he called, he did apologize, and I was happy to accept his apology, and we?ll move on.”

    Bachmann understands how to deal with the press and this incident has served her very, very well. Palin has been in the national press’ eye for over three years and she has yet to figure out this simple lesson. Bachmann smacked Wallace hard and walked away a winner, quite obviously putting to rest any thought of the “flake” thing. And, she was very gracious in her win. Palin is driven to make every press utterance she doesn’t like “about her” and “gracious” isn’t in her operand.

    Just another reason Bachmann appears to be surging and Palin is, well languishing, at best. If Palin does announce her candidacy you will see a surge in her head to head numbers – NOT in her F/Us – and in a fairly short time, she will remind people why they don’t want her near the White House and her numbers will most likely recede. She could possibly avoid this if she changes her modus with the press corps, but I’m certainly not holding my breath.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    I’ve been rather scarce in these parts as well.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    Not sure how it ended up here.

  • acat

    Nothing more to say here.

    Mew

  • gekster

    Sometimes I do think about how he is doing.
    Whatever anyone else thinks of him,
    kudos to the Great War Buzzard form Mt. Alaska.
    He could rip a Palin supporter like no one else.
    Like him or not, he is missed.

  • David123

    He wrote many thought-provoking diaries and comments, and he had no use for leftists.

  • acat

    Cat is out.

  • Finrod

    Leon was the one that blammed achance:

    http://www.redstate.com/achance/2010/09/17/site-rules-dictate-that-i-withdraw-from-posting-here/#comment-3762

    For all the positive information he provided (and there was a lot of it), there wasn’t anyone here that openly flouted the ‘Be respectful, or be banned’ notice that’s below every comment entry box more than he did. While I wouldn’t speak against it if his banning was rescinded, it was well-earned.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    That post was just a big old GBCW.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    You really are as bad as any of the Ronulans.

    You do a disservice to a good woman.

    If you have any respect for her at all, stop the insanity.

    there are ways to comment in her favor without lashing out hysterically at any whiff of criticism. Get a grip.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I’m not endorsing any of the sniping in threads like this.

    But it particularly saddens me when a good woman is saddled with poorly behaved supporters.

  • Doc Holliday

    I kid, by the way, who the he*& is this guy?

  • aesthete

    I understand why he got banned, and support it in the sense that no man, high or low, should get preferential treatment when it comes to the rules, but I sure wish Art would just swallow his pride and request reinstatement — he had good things to say about AK local politics, general politicking, how bureaucracy functions and general life observations. The SOB could write like nobody’s business, too; especially when it came to the South.

  • Tbone

    her with a passion. This caused him to viciously attack any Palin positive comment whether well reasoned or not. It also caused him to sell his soul to the Party traitor and scumbag RINO Murkowski. Obviously, Art had a price and he got it. Good on him.

    Other than that, we agreed philosophically. Others may welcome him back. I wouldn’t.

  • AnnaD

    Because somebody surely did, or we would not have had the Dems taking the Congress and Obama taking the White House. From the 2006 and 2008 election post-mortems I have been reading, it seems somebody on the Right did indeed stay home.

  • NHConservative0227

    I’ve presented numerous facts to defend Palin and have criticized her when appropriate as well.

    However, I’ve received numerous condescending responses from mbecker and others including but not limited to “shriner” and telling me to go back into the basement, etc.

    Hell, in another on abortion I even had gekster tell me that it’s too bad I wasn’t aborted!!

    Yet, I’ve never once seen a moderator say anything to them. Nevermind that Redstate allows the same type of liberal talking points to be spewed constantly about Palin (she quit, she’d barely be better than Obama), etc. This kind of garbage would make the Daily KOS proud. Then there’s other posters who accept this while ignoring the obvious flaws of RINO’s like Romney, Pawlenty, and Huntsman. Before them these clowns were all aboard the Mitch Daniels bandwagon.

    Of course, this all starts at the top with the editor, Erick Erickson. This is the same guy who posted back in January “I Love Sarah Palin BUT…. the media has made her radioactive.” It doesn’t get much more irresponsible that that! Yeah, let’s have the media pick our candidates and not have any backbone to fight for a real conservative.

    That’s what Redstate has become though. A complete joke. No wonder why its views have decreased so much and has been dwarfed by Hotair. It’s the good ole boys club, a bunch of lame moderates who allow the same pathetic talking points about Palin. Then you have moderators like Neil Stevens and Moe Lane on a massive power trip policing every thread. The slightest bit of disagreement or passion is not allowed (unless you’re a regular). You guys are a bunch of John Huntsman type wimps who don’t want to fight for real conservatives.

    I’m done wasting my time here. Good riddance!

  • gekster

    and I NEVER said “to bad you wern’t aborted”.
    If I recall, since you were being pro-abortion in the arguement,
    I asked the question of you,
    ” would it be all right with you if your mother “had” aborted you”, in so many words.
    If I had said what you claimed what I said,
    I am sure the Mods would have had something to say to me about it.

  • powertothepeople

    crybaby

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    “…the same pathetic talking points about Palin.” Well genius, the only reason those “pathetic” talking points keep getting posted is because they’ve never been refuted.

    Bye bye.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Since you’re leaving, well, I’ll help you out and disable your account.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    This should measurably improve the level of discourse at RedState.

  • BigRedConservative

    Good riddance to you. I’m sure you’ll find a home somewhere else. Somewhere I’ll never find you…

  • redware

    Please disable my account as well.I no longer wish to be associated in any way with a site which so hypocritically ignores its own caveats and allows a pathetic bully like mbecker to persistently namecall and disrespect those with whom he disagrees.What is worse is the fact that the moderators choose to completely ignore the disgraceful attacks made by this loser, and instead ban the victims of them.Redstate has lost its integrity, Be respectful or be banned? What a pathetic joke!

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Don’t feel like it now.

    Suck it up, ya big baby.

  • powertothepeople

    this poster has not made a single post in 3 years, but sure has held a grudge for that long. But his post does remind me of the famous KOS post made by the now famous ErrinF

  • azaeroprof

    As a Palin supporter who has been in numerous tussles with mbecker, let me say that he adds much to the dialog on this site. He has very insightful posts on many things non-Palin. And with regards to Palin, he has said some nice things about her, and has backed up his many criticisms with “facts” (albeit often interpreted in such a way as to support his criticisms. Of course, we all do that at times!)

    I will say, though, that the “shriner”, “go back to your basement”, and “Ste. Sarah” comments, which come quite frequently, are disrespectful (not to mention stale now) and do,IMHO, violate the “be respectful or be banned” rule. I don’t believe they come anywhere near warranting the “be banned” part of that, but they probably should at least earn an admonishment from the moderators if they are going to get on other people’s cases for no worse than that. And I say all this as someone who has never had those phrases thrown at me, and as someone with pretty thick skin.

  • Bill S

    “good riddance”

    It’s just inevitable that one-trick ponies like the idjit will eventually get themselves booted.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Since the folks whose fingers aren’t connected their brain seem to be dropping off, you likely won’t be reading about Shriners much any more. Kinda like I don’t remember the last time I typed the word “Paultard”.

    I’m looking forward to the primary season, it’s going to be an interesting summer/fall.

    Have a great fourth. It’s been so hot and dry down here in the desert that the cities have pretty much all cancelled fireworks, except for Tempe because they shoot them off over the lake.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    about the bullies at Redstate. C4P is right up there with some of the RonPaul sites on that one. And, by and large there’s no more issue related discussion there than they brought here.

  • acat

    Do you think the C4P partisans will vote GOP or stay home if the top of the ticket is an utter disappointment?

    I really don’t have a good read on this…

    Mew

  • aesthete

    whatever their Lord and Master tells them to do. That is only a minor concern to me; I highly doubt the ability of that type to make a positive impact. IMO, they’re just as bad as the online Ron Paul supporters, at this point.