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Republicans Must Show They Will Shoot the Hostage

Does the party of freedom have less courage than the party of socialism? Jim DeMint thinks if the GOP fails to be bold in the debt ceiling fight that’ll be why.

As the sun rises this morning, be prepared to be completely and totally disappointed in the total lack of leadership by House Republicans when it comes to taking a bold stand in the debt ceiling fight.

Just how badly are supposedly “tea party friendly” House Republicans abandoning conservatives? Olympia Snowe of Maine has gotten to the right of them. They should all break out the leather braids and self-flagellate. Shame on them.

It’s true. This morning in the Wall Street Journal, Jim DeMint and Olympia Snowe are tag teaming an op-ed endorsing the Cut, Cap, and Balance Pledge. They are calling on Republicans to block all deals that raise taxes . . . . or . . . um . . . “fees” as they like to call them, and instead turn their attention to three things:

  1. Cut spending significantly.
  2. Enact an enforceable cap on future spending.
  3. Pass the Lee-Cornyn-Hatch Balanced Budget Amendment.

Ridiculously, conservatives in the House are dragging their feet.

Look, it is an admirable position to take that conservatives will not vote to raise the debt ceiling. But it is also a position that will ultimately be untenable. Already, some House Republicans are whispering about a deal with the Democrats. If conservatives draw a line in the sand and say no increase ever, they are going to be betrayed by their own side.

If, however, they seize public opinion and insist on Cut, Cap, and Balance, they’ll have the support of the American people and it will put their own leadership in the awkward position of being in opposition to a large portion of the base and electorate. Conservatives must have a strategy and Cut, Cap, and Balance is the right one. It is the right line in the sand.

Some, however, are arguing that a Balanced Budget Amendment will never pass, so why bother? Some of these are the same people arguing that they should not vote to raise the debt ceiling. These are people at odds with reality.

In reality, Republicans won’t get a two-thirds vote in either House when they first bring the Balanced Budget Amendment to the floor. But then, if they hold the freaking line and show their willingness to block a debt ceiling vote, i.e. shoot the hostage, they will get the votes.

DeMint is encouraged, but ultimately he worries the GOP won’t have the guts to stare Democrats down. And if it doesn’t, it’ll be a shame, he says, because “the party of freedom has less courage than the party of socialism.”

Republicans must be willing to play brinksmanship to the breaking point. If they do, they will have their way and get a Balanced Budget Amendment. But right now it doesn’t look good when Olympia Snowe is to the right of most House Republicans.

COMMENTS

  • davesinsanantonio

    less courage than people who are in the wrong? What makes people who are trying to save this country go weak in the knees when they are facing those who want to destroy . . . uh, “fundamentally change” it???
    GET A BACKBONE, PEOPLE!!!!!!
    Stand up for what is right, and let the chips fall where they may. What do you hope to accomplish by “compromising” with the Devil???!!!
    And, don’t go all rhetorical over the names here. Maybe the individual you are trying to strike a deal with is a nice person, but the amount of government debt is crippling this country and will only get worse until YOU get the guts to say “NO”!!! So, say it and MEAN IT!!!
    No more compromises!!! CUT! CAP!! And, BALANCE!!! Now and forever, and no more letting ANYONE spend our grandchildren into poverty!!! Draw the line and stand by it, ready to die on it, or start looking for a new job, because you are not doing the one we hired you to do, and we will replace you in the primary. That is the line WE have drawn, and we WILL stand on it!!!

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    those Republicans who have been in Washington for 15 to 20 Years who are worried about the bond market. This may be one of those bills where the House Leadership will need Democrats to pass it. If your Congressman is one of those entrenched Republicans who has been in Washington for a while and was unaffected by the 2006 and 2008 elections you need to get on the phone.

  • ag8tor

    when anyone in the Republican party is left of Snowe. Why she still claims to be a Republican is still one of natures mysteries. If the Rep leaders in either house make any deals with the Dems then there should be a mutiny that Captain Blye would be proud of.These so-called leaders are so worried about their own political careers that the country has become second line. We are in a financial quagmire that party politics cannot fix. The message is simple Economics 101. Balance the budget, cut spending , cap spending. What is so hard about this? If the quasi-leaders we have in DC, both Rep and Dem, are too stupid to understand this then we have the wrong group up there and we should make changes in 2012. Since the Dems are too busy toeing “O”:s line then it falls to the Reps to fix it. We will find out who has the people in mind and not themselves. This is supposed to be a “Representative Republic”. Problem is you must first have representatives. That’s where we have run into major problems.

  • anjinconsulting

    The whole argument is based on the false premise that the government will default if the ceiling isnt raised.

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  • Marcus_Traianus

    Be prepared for the excuses from Boehner and McConnell. I am sure their staff are crafting them as we speak. Meanwhile, they will be out in the woodshed recovering from the Democrat butt-kicking.

    Just for context; a “deal” means you walk away with something that can be built on in the future. Your portion of that “deal” is something you can walk away an explain the merits of, not lace with excuses and apologetic statements. In this case, if you don’t walk away saying their is no increase in taxes or spending, the opposition just ate your lunch.

    It’s not about what Democrats want out of a deal. It is about what the American people, for whom you are both negotiating, want. If you can’t wholly and fully articulate the acceptable merits of that deal- find another job. Expect us to unambiguously support you in that endeavor should the outcome be explained in dissembling, unsupportable terms.

    Look on the bright side; perhaps they will get Emmy’s for the TV performance. Oh yeah and Boehner got a round of golf with the President.

  • BigRedConservative

    Yes, you are a RINO. But despite that, you have proven your worth. Thanks

    Now if Susan Collins, Scott Brown, Mark Kirk and Lindsay Graham could do something like this…

  • Ausonius

    This morning Cantor – again – looked evasive and weaselish – while David Gregory played Class Warfare Questioning with him.

    Questions e.g. If the president is willing to cut trillions from Medicare, what are Republicans willing to do about raising revenue by raising taxes on the wealthy?

    Cantor chokes and fails to explain that raising taxes on corporations has been proven to bring in less revenue, that companies and even “the wealthy” can use money that is not confiscated by the FedGov to expand and create businesses, thereby employing more people and spreading wealth.

    Instead he chokes and drawls out something about tax loopholes needing to be closed as part of general taxation reform.

    Is he so self-satisfied that he does not realize how he failed to deliver an intelligent message to counter the usual idiotic class warfare rhetoric from a typical MSM shill, rhetoric that he had to have known was waiting to ambush him?

    Does he not really believe in the facts that lower taxes create wealth?

    Or is he just that dumb? :)

  • ningrim

    He has zero resume, career politician.

    He’s not especially good at selling a conservative message.

    And he looks like he’s made of plastic.

  • djvu

    If only your post could be circulated to our “employees” in the house and senate, maybe they would get the message. What’s happened to all the ‘tea party’ employees that we “hired’ in 2010?
    Robert Palmer Smith author of DARKEST TRUTHS OF BLACK GOLD in which I have voiced similar views as posted by dave……

  • rj145

    The failure of the first Republican revolution cost them dearly. If they fail to follow through on the “promises” that got them elected this time, they face extinction. There is nothing to negotiate. NO COMPROMISES!

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    If the American people decide they don’t like the idea of blackmail in their political system (especially over something as crucial as the debt ceiling) this would backfire tremendously. The American public isn’t going to like the results of a default should the ceiling not be raised and will turn on a dime the moment their 401k’s drop or their jobs start to disappear again. We essentially only have the advantage politically until August 2, after that we get a default rating by one of the ratings agencies and Obama gets the advantage.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    Sec. Geithner Still has over $2.2Tr in revenues to set against the $3.8Tr in expenses. If he chooses to still spend on the Administration’s priorities, rather than fulfilling the legal obligations w/ respect to debt service that we acquire by taking out debt, then the US defaults.

    It’s up to the executive branch of the government whether a refusal to raise the debt ceiling equals a default. It is not a sufficent condtion, in and of itself, to guaruntee said default.

  • autiger89

    What I mean is “Who exactly is holding whom hostage?”

    The Republicans are not holding anyone or anything hostage here; they are trying to save the nation from the corruption of the Democrats.

    Yes, the Republicans must have the guts to stand up and show what is really at stake here, and MUST do what is RIGHT, regardless of what they may think is the cost to their political careers, because if they fail, there won’t be an America to govern.

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    default occurs at the point at which the ratings agencies say it does, not when we technically miss our first interest payment. And more to the point, default from an economic impact perspective occurs when the markets decide, not Tim Geithner. I have no desire to shoot the American economy (ie the hostage) in order to try to win a political fight (especially since I think that once you shoot the hostage you lose real big, ie you just lost your leverage and swat (the American people) storms the building and kill you electorally).

  • avgjo

    We haven’t made clear to the crybaby or the fop that they will be primaried if they fold on these sorts of issues. I haven’t seen the conservative media/blogsphere/whatever name you want make a coordinated call for their heads (politically) if they fail on these issues. So they’re playing us like Obama is playing his left-wing base with issues like Guantanamo, ‘gay’ marriage and amnesty. Sure those are issues important to them, and sure they’ll hoot and holler about not getting what they want, but where will they go?

    And don’t think for a moment that last time’s primary challenges were sufficient. I’d be willing to bet that they think that things like Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donnell and the like will discourage us from doing that any more; they think we’re too worried about a democrat victory in ’12. And from the looks of things, they may be right, at least with regard to conservative pundits. But if they are allowed to keep this kind of crap up, rank-and-file will stay home and the left will get exactly what we all dread – another 4 years to finish our country off.

  • Joshua Persons

    He said, “If conservatives draw a line in the sand and say no increase ever, they are going to be betrayed by their own side.” He is not arguing it’s economically/fiscally untenable, but politically so.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    Stop borrowing and live within your means. I see this as more of a philosophical debate. Is America predestined to become a Socialistic Republic that exists as a life-support system for a free-stuff Army?

    If the answer to that question is yes, we give the President whatever debt ceiling room is needed, if the answer to that question is no, we let the Amerikan version of socialism crash and burn on the tarmac.

    When I grew up we opposed the Soviet Union rather than aspiring to live there. Let the default begin tommorrow!

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    without creating economic armageddon today. Most of our deficit problems are directly related to the recession (ie a lack of revenues and an increase in triggered expenses), so forcing through gigantic immediate cuts that sends us back into recession will only exacerbate the problem instead of fixing it.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    Graham, Rudman and Hollings assured us of that. I totally get your point here, it’s just that given recent US history, regardless of who held Congress or the WH, it’s like hearing a really cool story about how the Smack Junkie has a brand new plan to kick tommorrow.

    I look at this as a genuine philosophical problem that has to be hashed out and resolved. Gonzalo Lira gets into the epistamological logic of why we screwed if we keep handing out more debt ceiling methadone very nicely.

    http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2011/01/why-democracies-will-always-go-bankrupt.html

  • agentilis

    If we raise the debt ceiling, close loopholes and raise taxes, we aren’t going to see the debt get paid down, eventually. We WILL see an increase in spending in social programs and government expansion, though, which will leave little left over for our debts…again.

    The fact that the liberals are a bit too loose with any cash or credit that’s available to the country is the problem. If we allow the Democrats to get their way on this, we will run into the same problem with the debt ceiling in no time flat.

    It’s time to stop it NOW!

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    and it can work again. A long term deficit reduction strategy put in place today can encourage more growth, which will then lead to more revenue and smaller expenditures, thus balancing the budget without immediate large cuts.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    She’s worried about being tossed out in her next election so she’s laying the ground work now for future betrayal.

    Yes, she’s voting correctly….this time. She will stab the Right in the back at her very next opportunity.

    Our party symbol is the elephant. Lets make sure we have a memory like one. Do not forget who she is and what she has done. Character matters. What you’ve done matters. Who you are matters. What you say matters. Lets hold their feet to the fire.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    NT

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    The social programs of the government are not authorized under the constitution anyway. The US Government has no business meddling in business. Article X says ‘The powers not delegated…’ there is no implied here. What is implied here is, ‘if we didn’t say the Feds can do this, then they can’t’. The idea that ‘…promote the general welfare…’ gives such broad powers to the federal government is laughable on the face of it and I reject the premise.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    1)Elect a President and a Congressional leadership that mutually detest one another.

    2) Completely skip a generation of defense procurement, so that the average age of your ship and aircraft fleets increase beyond the engineering design life of the platforms.

    3) Undergo a technological revolution that creates new products and services that never previously existed in the history of the world (The Internet).

    4) Have your major military adversary conveniently self-implode (Collapse of USSR).

    Repeat each of these highly unlikely events again, and we could have no problem repeating the successes of the 90′s under our current system of Federal PPBE.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    Do this how you decide you should do this. YOU in congress were elected to LEAD. If we don’t like how you LEAD then we will elect someone else.

    My definition of ‘liking’ how you lead is as follows…
    Do NOT raise the debt ceiling. Do NOT compromise with the left. Barring that, Cut, Cap, and Balance MUST be your fallback position. ANYTHING else will result in me finding a new person to support for your position.

  • gpclaw

    It may not be today, or tomorrow, or even during this congress – eventually the will to hold the current debt limit will crumble.

    DeMint is 100% correct on this issue. The nature of politics makes an eventual increase to the debt limit a certainty, unless the Constitution is amended to tie the hands of congress. The only way to get a BBA through both houses of congress, and past Obama’s veto pen, is to concede on raising the debt limit.

    Trading a debt ceiling increase for a BBA is not a defeat, because if the states ratify the BBA, the debt ceiling dies.

  • johnt

    are full of passionate intensity”. Not sure the GOP is “the best” & “passionate intensity” doesn’t quite cover modern Leftism. But the point is clear, immoral fanaticism pays. At least for the immoral fanatic.
    Expect a cave. McConnell, I never trusted a man who doesn’t have a chin. It really isn’t a two party system, it’s a party and a half system.

  • gpclaw

    The balanced budget amendment that DeMint is referring to, would cap government spending at 18% of GDP each year. Any law that increased spending beyond that would be unconstitutional.

  • jcmooreusnret

    The effete in the House are so concerned that the Senate will not approve a measure to cut the debt without Raising the Debt Ceiling. Pardon me for being obtuse but if the debt ceiling is raised, the response will be More Spending no matter what cuts are made to some programs. What other response will the profligate congress make with OUR (We The People) money?

  • Spartan4Life

    I’m sorry, but all this hullabaloo is really just about senior citizens being unwilling to pay for more of their own healthcare costs. Right now the average Medicare beneficiary receives 3X the benefits of what they have paid in. Anybody with an ounce of sense knows that is unsustainable. That is why it is a bad idea to have an entity like the Federal Government pretend to be an insurance company when they have no profit motive. That business model does not work. Congress has just bought off the votes of seniors for the last 75 years by giving them more and more benefits with (borrowed) tax payer dollars. All those gap medicare costs get passed through to private insurers so we are all getting double dipped to pay for our parents and grandparents health costs. BTW, seniors are by far the wealthiest demographic in the US. That’s what all this is about.

    Congress and the president know that you cannot balance the budget without significant reductions in what Medicare covers but they are all afraid of being voted out of office if they touch the sacred cow. Look at Greece for a cautionary tale. There are not enough “cuts” in discretionary spending to even make a small dent in the structural deficit, much less balance the budget. If you don’t tackle entitlements(just typing the word gets me sick) you will not solve this problem. So the can will be kicked down the road once again so all the candy pushers can get re-elected..

  • traversecityconservative

    They have the majority. Pass the damn bill and send it to the Senate. Keep doing it until it’s passed. Morons.

  • JSobieski

    If a law authorized spending at 19% of GDP, does that mean that all spending is individually reducted by 5.6%? Or is the spending at the end of the bill simply deleted? Or is the entire law simply thrown out?

    How do we know what the GDP is for a particular year in advance?

  • ihateliberals

    the alleged leadership of the Republican party is full of liberals better known as RINO’s. These people ae spineless and will continue to contribute to Obama’s plan to destroy our country. The Democrats learned early on tht if they want something form the congress now allthey hve to do is ware John Boehner down and they will get what they wnt. Boehner is from southwest Ohio which apparantly think he is dong a great job because he got some road money for them. I have a good friend that went off on me when i suggested that Boehner was a failure as a republican. What my friend forgot was that Boehner affects more than just the local yocals now. His decisos or lack thereof affect us all. I want to know where the conservatives are. Why are they raising holy hell right now. Have they been sucked up by the RINO’s? I thought we had something good when the Tea Party errupted last year but I think all we got was false hope. they can’t seem to stay organized and unified. I think we’re lost!

  • http://christopherrenner.blogspot.com Christopher Renner

    The idea that gigantic government spending cuts will surely put us into a worse recession (and its implied corollary, that the government spending was necessary in the first place) is complete, well debunked B.S.

    Ordinary people and businesses aren’t avoiding economic activity because they’re nervous about random mysterious forces in their lives, they’re avoiding economic activity because thousands of Leftist idiots in government are creating uncertainty for them.

    Successful government spending cuts, more than anything else on the table right now, will give people a reason to stop avoiding mutually beneficial trading, because they’ll show that the Leftist idiots can be restrained.

  • edintexas

    The credit rating agencies could have declared the US in default a year ago, 10 years ago, just whenever they decide to do so, because it has absolutely nothing to do with failing to make a payment due (principal, interest or both).

    Now there’s a novel economic argument, wonder why I never learned that in Econ 101. For that matter, I’ve never read any economist claim that is the defining point of “default”. Good thing you didn’t write my mortgage and car payment contracts.

  • edintexas

    You really believe the recession ever ended? You must also believe that 3% growth under George Bush constituted a recession, but 1% growth under Dear Leader constitutes “recovery”. Do you still have a tooth under your pillow, waiting for that dime?

  • izoneguy

    Obama & the democrats are economic terrorists.

    They have nothing to stand on, they have nothing to show for all of the spending they have incurred, well they do have the bill.

    Republicans need to say – here is the deal. Take it or leave it.
    If you leave it President Obama the consequence is on you and the democrats.

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    GDP = C (consumption expenditures) + I (gross private investment)
    +G (GOVERNMENT PURCHASES OF GOODS AND SERVICES)
    + EX-IM (exports – imports).

    In other words, government spending is a key component of GDP and a drastic short term cut would almost assuredly send us back into recession (at least according to any tested economic model).

    And sorry, ordinary Americans are not making their spending decisions based on government uncertainty on debt/deficit. They aren’t spending because they haven’t had their real income increase since Reagan left office and they have seen their 401k’s and home values plummet since the beginning of 08. Your theory that Americans stop spending because of government deficits was completely proven wrong by Ronald Reagan.

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    since they have already said they will downgrade our debt rating if we don’t raise the debt ceiling and that ANY even slightly delayed payment will result in them slapping us with a default rating. And I also believe the vast majority of economists who say that there is virtually no way to simply just pay the interest/principal on the debt first and everything else without creating an absolute economic disaster.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    It won’t even be the 1st time the US has defaulted.

    http://blog.independent.org/2011/07/06/looming-treasury-default-theater-of-the-absurd/

  • gpclaw

    Meaning that the spending cap for 2012 would be limited to 18% of GDP for 2011.

  • gpclaw

    In case my facts aren’t in order, better to get it straight from the horses mouth.

  • snowshooze

    If we have been, we have been borrowing the money to do so…
    So I don’t see the point of making only an interest payment as anything more than a question of how to record it on the ledger.
    So, the underlying threat would then be baseless, if we are making payments but the actual debt is still going up… That is Enron accounting. A Ponzi scheme at best.
    So why would an enforced debt limit endanger our credit rating?
    Only if the President puts his pet programs ahead of interest payments as in my view that is all we are actually making anyhow while borrowing more..
    Possibly I am missing a point?

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    The Senate Dems haven’t done so in 800 days.

  • sarg01

    Constitutional Amendments take 2/3rds of each house. We can’t get either one, no matter how much spine Congressional Republicans show.

    In the House, we need 50 Democrats. In the Senate, we need 20 Democrats. Think about that.

    We can seriously discuss passing the BBA when someone comes up with an argument that convinces the 50th most reasonable House Democrat or the 20th most resonable Senate Dem to pass it. It’s not “we’ll default if we don’t”.

    Even if Obama caved completely to our position and begged and pleaded for the BBA, I still don’t think he’d get 20 Senate Dems to agree. I haven’t seen ratings for the current crop, but on the rankings I see from the last congress, the line is between Mikulski of Maryland and John Kerry of North CutAndRun. If I take out people who are no longer Senators, the 20th least liberal Dem is … Harry Reid.

  • gpclaw

    As suggested by Jim DeMint – GOP will vote for debt ceiling increase in exchange for Dems voting for BBA.

  • sarg01

    The Dems we would need would never do it. Never.

    John Kerry lost us one major war and unsuccessfully tried to lose us another. Why would an appeal based on national pride work with him? Heck, a financial crash might reduce crowding at his marina.

    Mikulski? She’s the senator from the DC suburbs!

    After them, we’re into Reid territory. Then we hit Carl “Big Labor” Levin of Michigan. Or perhaps Feinstein from Greece-on-the-Pacific. Reid might actually come on board if Obama begged. The other two would dump Obama in an instant if he turned on them.

    That leaves us just one senator away from Bernie Sanders who literally runs as the Socialist Party candidate, because the Democratic Party just isn’t socialist enough for him. The really scary thing is these rankings rate 14 senators as more liberal than the avowed socialist.

    And on top of all that, we need 50 Democrats from a House class that dumped Dems en-masse from even blue districts.

  • http://uslibertyjournal.blogspot.com/ Daezy

    … and like Orrin Hatch, Lindsey Graham, et al, they are all acting against their usual profile with upcoming 2012 elections. These politicians are just disgusting, and cannot be trusted.

  • sarg01

    I’m not advocating for never doing the BBA. I’m advocating for not committing every bit of force we’ve got to one battle that will not win us the war, even if it was a total victory.

    Nothing we do this summer gets Obama out. Nothing gets some of these leftist senators gone. We can win small or large – that’s up to Obama – but we can’t win everything right here, right now.

    The Big Victory comes in 2013 after we turn these guys out of office. That’s not going to happen if we snipe at our own so much that we’re reluctant to support them after the primaries.

    The Senate numbers are favorable for 2014 as well. It’s unlikely we’ll get 67 senators over two elections but 62, 63? Not as crazy as it sounds. Then we can push hard to pick up 4-5 Dems, and we’ll be doing so with back-to-back-to-back electoral mandates. That’s a winnable situation.

  • http://uslibertyjournal.blogspot.com/ Daezy

    My feeling is it’s not in our (or their) DNA, but sometimes you must fight fire with fire. Look what’s happened. The socialists are winning, and we are losing our freedoms from within.

    We just have to learn to fake it, and STAND UP for our principles!
    Come on, guys — Grow a pair.

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    In December ’10, the Republicans walked away with a 2-year extension of the Bush tax cuts for all income levels, not just the middle class. We did that before we even had the majority in the House. I’m not going to expect them to cave now that we actually have some real leverage. If they do cave, I’ll be the first to ride every one of them like a shetland pony in a fourth of July parade, but until they do, I am going to make my expectations that we will come away from this with the spending cuts we want. Folks have a tendency to live up (or down) to our expectations, so I am keeping my expectations high.

  • gpclaw

    But then again? Either way is a win. If the Dems go for it, then the BBA goes to the states for ratification, and the get their debt ceiling increase. If they don’t, then the GOP can say they were willing to raise the debt limit, but the Dems weren’t willing to “compromise”, and they take the hit for any negative consequences (or lack of) that result from the debt ceiling not being raised.

  • gpclaw

    But then again? Either way is a win. If the Dems go for it, then the BBA goes to the states for ratification, and the get their debt ceiling increase. If they don’t, then the GOP can say they were willing to raise the debt limit, but the Dems weren’t willing to “compromise”, and they take the Dems take the hit for any negative consequences (or lack of) that result from the debt ceiling not being raised.

  • gpclaw

    in a GOP primary.

  • acat

    His number won’t be up again until 2014.

    Mew

  • thibodaux

    The govt. takes in 200 billion a month, it costs us 20 billion a month to service our debt. There is no way we can’t pay it. You cut other spending and you pay the 20 billion a month to service the debt, simple, not hard, no chance to default. there is still 180 billion a month to pay the rest. CUT SPENDING NOW!

    Not hollering at you it’s just don’t let them frame the debate. This is really how it is. It is this simple. Don’t confuse debt with deficit spending.

  • thibodaux

    the debt limit just let’s the Pres spend more. Keep paying the 20 billion a month to service the debt and cut spending back to the 180 billion you have left over a month after the debt service. Not sure what it will be 10 % or 20%? So social security folks get $1170.00 or $1040.00 instead of $1300.00 a month? Single mom gets $270.00 or $240.00 a week instead of $300.00 a week? We have all had to cut back. They will have to also.

  • Flagstaff

    “Does he not really believe in the facts that lower taxes create wealth?”

    Those like Cantor may or may not “believe” it, but they sure don’t understand it, and therefore they can’t defend it.

    Democrats, OTOH, understand that giving away other people’s money can buy votes to get them re-elected, so that’s what they believe in. They will say whatever it takes to make it happen, including that “government health insurance for 40 million more people won’t cost a single dime more in taxes.”

  • http://christopherrenner.blogspot.com Christopher Renner

    And again, as Neil implied below, you’re completely ignoring the incentive effects of government behavior.

    While I’m at it, let me debunk another misconception: C + I + G + (E-M) is NOT a way of PRODUCING economic output, it’s a way of measuring it.

    Economic formulas don’t create economic output any more than a tape measure makes a board a certain length.

  • Donald Ayotte

    Even though I think they will fold like lawn chairs in a hurricane at the last minute, I have hope that they will find “True Grit,” and tell Obama NO.
    If the US defaults, maybe it’s the lesson we need to start being fiscally responsible and quit funding the world.

  • funwithknives

    yesterday, followed by much local disturbance in THE FORCE. Does anyone doubt DAVE’s sincerety. or Bone Count? Where are ALL THE DAVES? IT is becoming obvious that many in GOP Circles think this New Awareness/Awakening is a passing thing ,exemplified by THEIR Actions and Words (That IS What Counts, is it not?) Leave it to a Resident of THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS to speak clearly. We, The people did it once, and will Again. What will THE SHELLACKING, Part Two bring? What was it The Officer said at The Bulge?: “N U T S !” Said The German: “VAST ISCH DIE “NUTS?”

  • funwithknives

    but there is one iron clad rule that always checks in at this house: “Expect nothing, Let’Em surprise you, and you’ll always be ahead.” Gen’l George Patton often expressed the plain fact that no plan survives the first shot. That it is THEN up to those closest to the fight to use their heads and training to win the battle. How much of the Cut Battle in late ’010 was US, and how much was independents getting their fill, and actually doing something? (E/Mails, Letters, Phones etc.) Was The Heat enough? Was The LIght SEEN? (PER SAM ERVIN,Senator) Signs are everywhere that this may not be The Case.”Everyone, bring one” instructs US to ask one like mind on the fence, to communicate as We All do. Ask same to do as you have. Numbers will assist in our fight, as all assets do. What else can you ,a thinking self-owned Human Being do in this regard? The Three Man Cell took over China, did it not?The French Resistance also used this tactic. Here is The Place and now is The Time for repetitive history. KNOCK-KNOCK, Who’s there?….

  • funwithknives

    with you and me just about long enough. WHY ? cuts AND taxes? Wwelll, so we (I E, PROGS) don’t look like losers in The Grand Scheme of it all. Then it’s on to The Next Synthesis (SEE HEGEL)and Begin Again. Compromise with a thief, and you ALWAYS LOSE SOMETHING! As G. MARX( Quackenbush?) used to so neatly say, in response to: “Doctor! Doctor!, It hurts when I do that” “Then don’t DO THAT!” To John BEE, Mitch McSEE and The Rapidly Expanding soft middle of THE G-O-PEE:Stand on it or prepare to be replaced. If goin’ to sleep is a problem, we can supply THE NO DOZE, That’s FER SHOOR! Diets Can Be Prescribed and tailored to your particular deficiency. Suggestion: IRON,Perhaps?

  • funwithknives

    You did it once, how about just once more? Trade ya’ a paid-for house in Chicago next door to Tony Rezko and you show THE GOP how it is DONE! THINK MUSLIM HORDE, if need be, but please, help some guys out, why don’t-cha? (WE’LL throw in John Kerry’s sloop, if it meets your approval.) PLUS, we’ll dispose of all those horrid polish joke books. HOWZ ‘BOUT IT?

  • funwithknives

    and meet a like minded kinda-guy. Some G T Distillery vodka/OJAYS and the bay in front of you. THERE’S A FIGHT I would KILL FOR, & be involved in. (is that remotely funny?) By the way , you go! TCC and good on ya’. Compromise is secondary,or lower, and got us to where we are, as in NOT HAPPEN-IN’.To have The Weapon and to not use it , shows just how meek The GOP Mainliners are. Pull THE EFFIN’ Trigger already! What is so wrong about some stalemates?

  • Danielle Davis (ocleverone)

    Congress is elected to represent the best interests of their district in Washington, not lead.

  • funwithknives

    because we collectively got off the GAS. Show weakness to a Purported BAD-A– and you see the results. I begged my local TPP to keep on with activism and “don’t want Burnout” was the excuse. Losing inertia loses in WAR, sports and politics, and you can bet The Left did not slack off in any measure. We had 400 at an OCT. 2010 meeting (SRO) and less than 50, 4 weeks ago at the same hall.(Milford,Michigan) I do see your point but in the end it would seem to be a matter of “want-to”. AS in: “I Don’t WANT-TO see BARRY for 4 more Friggin’ years.” All-mouth wanna-be’s with 15 to 20 demons to slay, destroyed the Patriot Movement in the 90′s (A K A, THE MILITIAS). Appeal to 3 or 4 basics and start again. One constant is: “The Fight for Liberty is Never Ending”. THAT’S ONE!….

  • williamjameson

    I admire the GOP and their Gentleman’s and Ladies demeanor of respectful debate and civility that occasionally gets heated. But in today’s political environment they need to toughen up, take a stronger stance and use more course language. Not harsh like the children liars and race baiters on the left but the GOP and conservative movement must adopt a more stern approach.

    The GOP and conservatives must also stand up for themselves because they fail to give proper response to sleazy accusations like the recent Jim Crow slander coming from Debbie Downer. Time and again they cave in and walk away or just ignore it. The corrupt liberal media allow dems to rant on while dragging the nation down.

    FOX news is weak and afraid to take a stand and demand respect from democrats and the liberal media. FOX on occasion takes a stand but it fades usually in 24 hours. I like FOX but they are CNN-Lite when it comes to calling for republicans to be treated as equals and for calling on dems to clean up their act.. They fade it and hope the other side backs off and it never works. FOX doesn’t need to get louder, they need to continue pushing the call for dems to be respectful honest and stop the fearmongering.

    Our country needs a second conservative TV channel that reports political news and pushes the conservative agenda while calling out Dems and lib media who conspire against the GOP and they have never been held accountable.

    Maybe if we had a tougher larger conservative media platform the republicans would feel that more Americans support them. Knowing more media have your back aids the ego in the fight for our country.

  • williamjameson

    that Clinton spiked into play and its easy to buy into the media hysteria. While the debt ceiling wasn’t the issue that time, political credit with the people was. The gop lost credibility and it gave Clinton a second term. Dems scared the poor and elderly into thinking they’d starve and have no money to pay bills. It was sick game that they will use again and again despite the fact the country has revenues from the IRS that will pay interest on the debt and pay for many mandated obligations.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/government-shutdown-2011-will-i-get-paid-what-will-be-open-what-can-i-expect/2011/04/06/AFfMK2oC_blog.html

    The good news is this time around people are more informed and Obama knows voters will blame him because they are on to his radical game.