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The President Declares He Will Shoot His Hostages

Everyone is using the hostage metaphor these days regarding the debt ceiling. Barack Obama started it back in December when he called the GOP hostage takers before the GOP gave him everything he wanted.

Well, I hope the GOP noticed Barack Obama yesterday upped the ante and declared his willingness to shoot his hostages, i.e. senior citizens. Yes, if the GOP dares to hold the line on spending cuts, Barack Obama will balk, the debt limit will not be raised, and Obama will refuse to pay senior citizens.

Jim Pethokoukis notes a Goldman Sachs report showing there will be plenty of money flowing into the treasury in August for the government to pay its debt obligations, pay social security obligations, pay military obligations, and avoid default. But Obama won’t let facts stand in the way of starving senior citizens to score political points against the GOP.

Of course, it is not just Obama willing to score political points. Mitch McConnell wants to give Barack Obama the right to automatically raise the debt ceiling. The only caveat is McConnell wants everyone to know it’ll be Obama who does it, not the GOP. Just how bad is McConnell’s plan? After David Hauptmann, a staffer in McConnell’s office, sent out an email linking to a National Review Online column that said Grover Norquist “supported” Mitch McConnell’s capitulation, Americans for Tax Reform rapidly sent out a press release saying Norquist did not support the plan, just “the goals.” They also asked NRO to clarify.

Undeterred, McConnell enlisted the support of the Wall Street Journal’s editorial page, which came out swinging not just in favor of McConnell’s plan, but also pretty directly against me. I can console myself that they also supported McConnell’s push for TARP.The Journal’s editorial opines

The hotter precincts of the blogosphere were calling this a sellout yesterday, though they might want to think before they shout. The debt ceiling is going to be increased one way or another, and the only question has been what if anything Republicans could get in return.

As I first out of the gate and drew the most ire from McConnell supporters, I think it is safe to conclude they are unhappy with me. Nonetheless, let’s move beyond the rather snotty “we are the adults and the rest of you are unwashed ignorant masses” tone of the editorial and get right to what they actually say.

They might not like my use of the word “sellout,” but McConnell’s plan is exactly what Barack Obama wants. He’ll get to raise the debt ceiling with no obligations to do anything else, except conduct a dog and pony show.

I have written repeated — not that the crack editorialists care — that the debt ceiling is going to go up. I have also written that, however admirable the opposition to any increase is, it is not realistic.

I have then gone on to say that the GOP must hold the line on their cut, cap, and balance plan.

The Wall Street Journal’s editorial goes on to note this:

The tea party/talk-radio expectations for what Republicans can accomplish over the debt-limit showdown have always been unrealistic. As former Senator Phil Gramm once told us, never take a hostage you’re not prepared to shoot. Republicans aren’t prepared to stop a debt-limit increase because the political costs are unbearable. Republicans might have played this game better, but the truth is that Mr. Obama has more cards to play

The President today signaled his willingness to shoot the hostage. The GOP should do the same — show an absolute unwillingness to raise the debt ceiling without their balanced budget amendment passing out of Congress to the states.

Again and again, Congress folds to the doomsday scenarios. The Wall Street Journal again and again claims the sky will fall and the markets will crash. The suits come down from New York and paint the disaster scenario. The GOP falls in line. TARP is passed. What else will be passed?

This time, the GOP should embrace the apocalyptic future, call B.S. on the fear mongering, and shoot their debt ceiling hostage. if they engage in politics as usual as the Wall Street Journal and Mitch McConnell would have them, we’ll be back in this mess again next year.

Politics as usual usually gets us here. If we want to move back to fiscal sanity, we need to try a different approach.

COMMENTS

  • saltlick

    I like the way McConnell’s plan makes Obama own our failing economy. It puts Obama in the spotlight, makes it obvious who is responsible for what’s happening. The MSM’s main mission these days is to obscure that blame. McConnell’s plan makes their mission impossible, no matter how hard they spin.

    A sizeable part of the public — some of them my friends who get disgusted with the wrangling and just want to say “a pox on both houses” — need a clear, unequivocal lesson — with no Republican hands on it — in why socialist economics don’t work. They won’t learn any other way. But their wrath will be terrible to behold when they do…

  • bigredone

    If we don’t recognize that, we need therapy.

    The GOP has reached the Rubicon. Cut, Cap, and Balance is the only intelligent choice. Define the cuts. Make the Democrats refuse it. Make them do it. Make them choose.

    We have played defense long enough.

  • ohiohistorian

    Under the 1973 Impoundment Act, the President must spend every flipping dime appropriated. Unfortunately, Boehner got rolled on those negotiations. Until 30 September, there is the problem that the Congress has appropriated the funding, but NOT the ceiling to spend it. Cutting spending in August and September is probably not very feasible in mid-July. This fight was not being viewed by Obama seriously in February, with the result that this is Obama’s problem. Unfortunately, unless the Congress passes an Impoundment Act, Obama is justified to spend it all.

    If we can get off the debt ceiling, there is a HUGE problem starting 1 October. There are no budget plans and no budget bills thanks to Harry Reid. Harry is getting top cover by this debt ceiling debate.

    How about a modest increase of a couple hundred billion with no strings so that Obama has to now negotiate on next year’s budget.

  • GreyCloak

    Congress (Republican and Democrat) has made America broke. Constitutionally, the President has no authority beyond influence:

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

    CONGRESS, not the President!

    Either Social Security is solvent, the Trust Funds are worthy, and August checks will go out, or everybody has been and is lying for political purposes. SSA reports over $2 trillion in reserves and took in over $92 billion more than it spent last year on retirees.

  • rj145

    Once again the Republican “leadership” has shown a disgusting lack of leadership by surrendering before the battle is even fought. If this is all we can expect from these spineless slugs, then they deserve the poltical oblivion the are crawling to.

  • saltlick

    if by “we” you mean the American polity. I just wonder if we sometimes muddle their therapy.

    Despite having compiled a record or incompetence and mendacity unmatched by any other President in his first two years in office, Obama’s approval number still floats in the high 40′s, and rather than attribute the bad economy to his policies, over 50% of Americans believe he’s dealing with a bad hand he “inherited” from Bush.

  • saltlick

    of McConnell’s plan, so that pretty much settles it for me. Jim’s where I put my money. So back to trying to convince my “independent” friends that the answer isn’t “we’re doomed because they’re just all assholes.”

  • minncon

    … watching your house burn down, but telling the fire crew “Hey… they were my child’s matches!”

    STIFFEN UP, RINOS! Stand your ground this time, or just fold your tents. (Or we’ll fold them for you.)

  • swi2522

    obama would have ignored congress anyway and simply raised the debtnow mitch has given him cover for doing so
    having to refinance 500 billion in debt in august with noone to buy our debt will make this whole argument a waste of time
    see you at the bottom of the financial collapse since we have kicked the can over the ledge and there is no more road left

  • napensnake

    nobody cares about the debt ceiling. As long as their taxes don’t go up and they get their “welfare check” whether it be their farm subsidy, Social Security, etc. Some will squawk about the debt ceiling but nobody will feel the pain until the country folds.

    McConnell can blame Obama for unilaterally raising the debt ceiling but McConnell doesn’t realize two facts. First, McConnell would give Obama permission to do it which makes McConnell an accomplice. Second, again, nobody will notice anyway.

    McConnell needs to man-up and do the right thing (no pun intended). Hold the government to fiscal accountability. In other words, instead of figuring out how to fix the blame, he needs to figure out how to fix the problem.

  • minncon

    I can’t begin to count the number of ways Obama and the Reid-Pelosi Congress have run roughshod over our Constitution and nation’s laws. Why should we let a relatively arcane (and easily dodged) 40 year-old law stop our efforts to rein-in the debt?

    The Democrats in Washington are playing by “Chicago Rules” (in other words, NO rules but “win.”) McConnell needs to hang up his Southern gentlemen’s Bluegrass Blazer and pull out his dueling pistols.

    Besides if, as you say, “Until 30 September, there is the problem that the Congress has appropriated the funding, but NOT the ceiling to spend it…” well then, haven’t the Congress and President effectively gone beyond the ceiling already? >This first occurred to me back in January/a>… finally the argument is percolating out there.

    Seems there’s a nice legal quagmire at hand. Let’s use it.

  • jiminga

    to shift blame to Obama, not to secure America’s economic future. It’s pure politics, not leadership, and is being practiced by both sides. Everyone involved should be ashamed …..we’re doomed.

  • bk

    Or maybe it’s Bush’s fault.

  • mutantone

    I am a firm believer that the Constitution limits the terms of the congress to years and not decades. They have interpreted it in their own way to assure their jobs over and over again. It is time to follow the Constitution as written, where it states how long they can hold the office. Far to many of them have made a career out of running for or holding office to the determent of the people.
    They have shown us what they want to cut benefits for the citizens, let them start with their own benefits and funding first. Remove their staff, make them work for their constituents. Take away all foreign donations to the likes of the Muslim Brotherhood, and any other nation that is against us. Stop funding 22% of the UN which has placed enemies to civility in positions of power. How in the world is North Korea going to be in a position to watch over weapons. How is Iran going to be in charge of human rights when most Muslims think that a woman that has been raped needs three male witnesses to prove her claim and if not is put in jail herself for being an adulteress?
    Stop supporting others until we can care for ourselves and the needs of our population. Eliminate funds to Unnecessary projects like how much booze does it take to make a monkey drunk, or the number of aids carriers in the prostitution field in Asia. There are far to many supercilious programs being funded by the tax payers.
    Time to change all that instead of cutting the necessary programs for the citizens of our nation remove the funds going to other programs first and if they do not come to the budget freeze their pay all of it until they come to a balanced budget.
    ? the People of the United States are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the constitution.? Abraham Lincoln

  • Ausonius

    How is that “the truth” ?

    What are these “cards” in MAObama’s hands?

    The public needs to be informed clearly by the Republicans of the “truth” that it will be MAObama’s own CHOICE to hold Social Security/Medicare/etc. hostage, that the money exists to handle all that, and that the “crisis” is ultimately phony.

    Republicans need to inform the public clearly that nearly 3 years of BIG BRObama’s crypto-socialist policies have led to economic decline, rather than recovery, and that such policies did not come from W. Bush.

    But no! Why would Republicans do that? The teacher would not then check “Plays Well With Others” on their report cards! :)

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Then assume what form that deal will take. Right now, none of those potential outcomes look good. Add to that a growing chorus of businesses imploring Congress and the President to increase the debt limit, since a failure to do so will have profound economic effects. In the end, it is simply difficult to understand where this will end up in the public’s mind. However, it’s pretty easy to understand the Democrats believe that “no deal” works in their favor.

    Also, assume, as Democrats and the President are, that Republicans don’t have the political will to hold the line. Mitch proved yesterday that is more than just speculation. It has real potential to be a factor.

    I won’t fall for the fan dance between Boehner, Cantor and McConnell. Why hasn’t the House passed there own proposal or how about a series of proposals? Why isn’t that being done? Who cars if the Senate or Obama reject it?

    This is probably the most important fight of our lifetime. It is a battle we must win to preserve our society. It is a “hill to die on”, if there ever was one. Yet we have “leadership” that can not be trusted or counted on to hold the line and advance towards victory in which the American people win. I am speechless.

    This can not stand, nor should it in the future. Irrespective of the outcome, it is time to clear Congress of these blabbering, mendacious, deceitful denizens.

  • averagevoterdotcom

    is anyone 100% sure this this socialist fraud would not be willing to take down the US financial system?
    does he not desire to “fundamentally transform the US”?
    we would all be culpable if he did that.

  • kliff

    licking too much salt.

  • kliff

    if this site placed the comments where they were directed.

  • ed357

    Without a Debt Ceiling Increase Deal……

    0BAMA and the DEMocRATS will have to decide what programs are essential and which are not……

    IN OTHER WORDS……

    IF THE SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS DON?T GO OUT ON AUGUST 1……

    zer0 IS THE “ONE” THAT DECIDED THAT OLD PEOPLE DON?T NEED THEIR CHECKS……

    Want to bet if ACORN, NPR, Planned Parenthood, the UAW, Mexico, and all those other ?special interest? groups get their checks?

  • kliff

    just a continuing resolution that pretty much is used however the powers that be see fit. Don”t get bogged down in the details…the democrats certainly don’t.

  • kliff

    via tax revenues. If he thinks that withholding my social security check will endear him to me, then, he is as delusional as Mitch McConnell. I know that that are a lot of stupid seniors out there (I grew up with them), but, after watching Obama pay for Cowboy Poetry etc and not paying us for 2 or 3 months, at least half of us will get a clue.

  • edintexas

    When was the last time “Republicans” (as a group, not a single individual like Reagan) were at all capable of getting their “message” out convincingly and to the general public?

    Yes, I know the MSM will avoid any assistance to the Republicans in getting any message (short of capitulation) to the public. But it is still possible to do so. It seems they are content to expect Limbaugh, et al, to get the message out for them, without considering the fact that it is “preaching to the choir” and not reaching the others who need to hear the message.

  • conservative_dan

    Obama is a bad man.

  • simmy

    I was listening to Rush yesterday and a caller suggested that the President needs to present a list of all who WILL be getting paid…ACORN perhaps?
    Hmmm.
    I thought it was an excellent suggestion. As an American, I think I have a right to know WHO Mr. Obama is NOT threatening.

    We should ban together and make a public outcry demanding to know why this President uses scare tactics and lies, While attacking the poorest and weakest of our Society, or our military!!!! in order to persuade us to “Open wide and have peas shoved down our throats.”
    DAH!

    If anyone in the GOP reads this, I say CALL HIS BLUFF…I got a sneaking suspicion he’ll crumble under the pressure of knowing when those checks are mailed out on the 3rd, the Seniors who love him so dearly will see him for the liar that he is!

  • RealQuiet

    It’s definitely a political calculated move that would backfire horribly as Levin pointed out. Not to mention the fact that it forfeits powers that are delegated to the Congress and transfers them to the Executive Branch. Not a good idea at all.

  • kliff

    and yet we have Mitch Neville McConnell peeing his pants for all the world to see. I understand that McCain suffers from Stockholm Syndrome which causes his bootlicking, but, what is Neville’s excuse?

  • steve010

    Senator Marco Rubio picked up immediately the importance of the Obama message that Social Security checks might not go out on Aug 3rd , if the debt limit is not raised by Aug 2nd. Mr. Rubio said to Rush listeners that his first question was, ?Why do we need to borrow money to pay Social Security checks??

    This question has to be hammered home every opportunity that the GOP and the TEA party has to speak. The liberal side has been telling us for the last 40 years that Social Security is totally separate from the rest of the budget and that it is fully funded until 2036. We have a lockbox or a coffer for Social Security funds and that Social Security funding has nothing to do with the deficit. If this is true, why do we need to borrow money to pay Social Security checks on Aug 3rd? We need to be asking this question at every townhall meeting, everytime a Congressman speaks on the floor of the House and Senate and everytime a conservative loyalist speaks on any news show and we must send letters to the editor to every news outlet in the country.

    The significance of the President?s statement is astounding. If we have to borrow money to pay for monthly benefits, then everything the left has been telling us is false. This means that Social Security is part of the deficit problem, that Social Security is not fully funded until 2036 and that there is no lockbox and the Tbills that have been purchased with Social Security taxes are a mirage. No longer now can the left truthfully say that Social Security should be off the table and that it shouldn?t be means tested. In other words, something has to be done about Social Security because the system is broke.

  • simmy

    I kind of picked up on that when he was being sworn into office.
    “I swear to execute…”
    Blah, blah, ‘Oh, I’m sure you do’, was my first thought and people thought I was being overly critical when I didn’t buy the lame excuses the media and everyone else wanted to make for him.

    Sure, he wants to ruin this country.
    But I am going to continue to predict that he will fail, as I have been doing from that first day!
    He thinks he has a righteous wind at his back?
    So do I. And I believe it’s there to blow all of his big ideas, and plans for America away.
    hahaha
    Joke’s on you Mr. President ~ because the Righteous wind you spoke of is the one that’s chasing you.

    I see but only one term for this President.

  • poleok

    I don’t get my SSI check but he just gave his staff an 8% raise ?? How the heck does that work>>

  • 6eorge Jetson

    as I learned last night, which consists of

    ? Debt Held by the Public ($9.6 trillion)

    representing all federal securities held by institutions or individuals outside the United States Government

    plus

    ? Intragovernmental Holdings ($4.6 trillion)

    representing U.S. Treasury securities held in accounts which are administered by the United States Government, such as the OASI Trust fund administered by the Social Security Administration;

    equals

    ? Total Public Debt Outstanding ($14.2 trillion)

    which is the sum of the above components

    As the congressional debt limit is on the $14.2T Total Public Debt Outstanding, to continue to spend at the present deficit rate, the federal government would need to either

      a) Increase the Total Public Debt Outstanding Debt Ceiling above $14.294T, or

      b) Decrease the paper-only accounting-entry “Intragovernmental Holdings” by consolidating some governments assets (e.g. the accounting cash “inflows” from the special-issue securities owned by the SSA ?Trust Fund? ) and offsetting liabilities (e.g. the cash “outflows” of the special-issue securities owed by the Treasury )

    Either way, payment of current and future Social Security and Medicare disbursements will come from current and future taxes. Either way, the real total net debt of $9.6 T goes up (Debt Held by the Public).

    Something to keep in mind as we stand by our commitment to extract spending cuts from this episode. If Obama lets current Social Security payments go unpaid, it will be because of a refusal to tap the additional $4.6 line of credit (Intragovernmental Holdings) the government has on its hands.

  • plwinteregg

    …whether or not SS checks or any other checks go out. This can be a terrific opportunity to turn this back around against him. A few like Rubio are asking the right questions and making the right points. Sadly, I believe this also shows many conservatives have not really thought this through.

    One of the problems I’ve had with conservatives who are willing to push this all the way is that many are fighting this battle as though it is the actual war. This is a critical battle, but ultimately we need to remember that there is a bigger war and that we need to be in better shape to continue the fight when this battle is done.

    I don’t like McConnell as he can be terribly squishy, and his recent comments were incredibly ill timed, and I don’t even like his proposal. But I do understand the political reality he is trying to address.

    If Congress fails to raise the debt ceiling and/or put forth a spending plan, they will cede control of the budget and spending completely to Obama, Geitner, and the WH gang. Anyone who doesn’t believe they will do all they can to inflict as much pain as possible is living in the wrong universe. Obama will have full cover and backing provided by the MSM, and will hammer the Republicans, and more in particular the Conservative/Tea Party folks as being at fault. This would be an immense political disaster, and could be fatal not only to the Republicans, but to the Conservative/Tea Party uprising.

    By making this recent statement, however, Obama has provided an opportunity. Every Conservative member of congress, PAC, etc should be hammering the airwaves right now with ads showing this quote next to the actual facts of what could be paid–and then make the point that what doesn’t get paid will be strictly HIS CHOICE. This is an opportunity to remove this weapon as a bargaining tool.

    Shame on them for being so heartless, and shame on us for not remembering just how ruthless these people really are.

  • simmy

    You’ve made a good point.
    If enough people will stick to telling the truth of it, it may blow the argument over Social Security out of the water.
    Some good TEA Party candidates lost the Nov. election, simply because of this issue. The left uses scare tactics for leverage.
    I find it rather dispicable, to say the least.
    And frankly, I think that we all have to do our part to expose as many lies as possible, since the media isn’t doing its job reporting news any more.
    I want the elected Candidates to do the job we sent them to do.
    They really need our prayers and support now, because, in my opinion, they’re up against a monster

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    Nail on the head.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    our unfunded liabilities, but that horse left the barn a long time ago and is estimated to be on the order of $100T.

  • steve010

    An entitlement means that no politician, including the current Emperor can stop the payments.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    as well as funds to pay interest on the debt in August and how Obama is CHOOSING his priorities to precipitate a crisis and scare old people. But the GOP is afraid of a fight, even when the facts are on their side and easily communicated.

  • Ausonius

    I remember during the later W. Bush years people calling assorted conservative shows with great frustration: “Sean/Rush/Mark/etc, why doesn’t the president point out what YOU are pointing out?”

    I remember all of them saying that they did not understand the silence either.

    So,you are quite right: the Republicans need to find an effective way to reach the middle 10-15% who switch back and forth or split their vote.

    On the other hand, when you have a message like McConnell’s…???!!!

    Here is an excerpt from a Stephen Hayes analysis in the Weekly Standard:

    “Not surprisingly, the proposal has received a warm reception from Democratic leaders. Harry Reid said Tuesday that he was open to considering it. White House spokesman Jay Carney said that the McConnell proposal means ?defaulting on America?s past due bills is not an option.? And two sources familiar with the discussions at the White House Tuesday afternoon said that Nancy Pelosi offered McConnell ?congratulations.?

    Republicans are divided. A source close to Senator Jim DeMint tells TWS that he is ?opposed? to the McConnell plan. Orrin Hatch tweeted that the only plan he supports is ?Cut, Cap and Balance.? Senator Ron Johnson declined to endorse the McConnell plan and offered a similar statement. ?I will continue to focus on getting the Cut, Cap and Balance legislation passed ? which does increase the debt ceiling but only contingent upon us actually fixing the problem.? Sources close to two other senators tell TWS their bosses oppose the plan.”

    Note the opening sentence: what would be the difference between Republicans and Democrats based on this proposal?

    It is obvious we need Jim DeMint to be the face of the Republicans!

    See:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/mcconnell-plans-pitfalls_576790.html?page=2

  • bk

    Obama’s people had floated plans about raising the limit w/o Congressional approval under some hackneyed view of the Constitution. Well now that the preening genius who is our (?) leader in the Senate has just made it clear that the President can raise it w/o Congressional approval, so why wouldn’t Obama just do that and bypass Congress completely like he has for czars, onerous regulations, etc.?

  • JSobieski

    until/unless something modifies it or stops it.

    Things that can impact an entitlement:

    1) A law (passed by Congress, signed by President, etc)

    2) Absence of the ability to pay

    An Obama default would be prefaced on 2), although that absence would be the result of Obama’s own prioritization.

  • ss396

    Presidents always own their economy. Clinton gets credit for the budget surplus during his administration, while the Republican Congress who designed it does not. Reagan gets tagged for the tax increases during his administration, while the Democrat Congress that broke their promise of future spending cuts does not. Bush stands accused of runaway spending, while the profligate Republican Congress that constructed it is not.

    Meanwhile, if we ultimately can and do force cut, cap, and balance through Congress, President Obama will get the praise for it. In short, McConnell is trying to give Obama something that Obama already has – and the Senate Minority Leader wants to indebt us further for the privilege of doing so!

    I’m stunned – it’s bizarre beyond my poor comprehension.

  • mspector

    if McConnell’s “plan” is adopted the result will be that Obama will raise the debt ceiling (of course) and then say that the Republicans just “kicked the can” over to the White House because they could not come up with a feasible economic strategy. So Obama had to do it all by himself. He already owns the disaster; what possible sense is there in letting him also own the “solution”?

  • msctex

    Caesar fights for the good of Rome.

  • drifter

    There is no Trust Fund and hasn’t been since 1975!

  • drifter

    With the exception of Reagan et al, Republicans have always stunk at communicating. Conservative do it rather well, though…

  • littlehouse18

    front and center every day pounding this home. He’s a great spokesman for communicating this.

  • uselogic

    Except the resident lefties there, most folks are calling the Journal out on this one. Most readers know what’s at stake. Example….

    Lawrence Scalf-
    “You have written the worst, most thoughtless editorial in the history of the Wall Street Journal.” Continuing….”McConnell proposes a totally unconstitutional alternative, and you guys fall for it….”

    Hold the line ladies and gentlemen. Excellent piece Erick!

    Oh, and please….. somebody, anybody, primary Judas McConnell.

  • carolynr

    Look….you may be tired of all the wrangling…but we are dealing with a thug that has OUR MONEY. I don’t want this thing raised and I am on SS.

    First…NO DEBT LIMIT RAISED. TWO…GET THIS SOB OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE AND GET HIM IMPEACHED…PRONTO BEFORE THERE ISN’T ANY MORE COUNTRY.
    Three….Get McConnell Gone next election…this guy is a whuzz.
    Four…Independents…Walke up…this is your country…you might not like the conflict…but people have been fighting for your freedoms for decades and all you can say is…I don’t like the wrangling. Stop listening to the MSM and THINK FOR YOURSELF…IT’S JUST A COMMOND SENSE THING…YOU CAN’T SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN.
    If you have trouble…go look over to Europe and see how this concept of Obama’s is playing out…THEY ARE BROKE.

  • carolynr

    I’ve had it with this crap…what is the guy’s DC # and start calling…it’s your money. BTW…by executive order he has started to chip away at your second amendment rights…ALL UNDER THE GUIZE OF HIS AG’S SELLING GUNS GARBAGE OVER THE BORDER.

  • rightwingmom52

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  • jim91010

    For many Americans if we can not afford to buy something we can not afford we pull out a credit card and make smaller monthly payments. People continue to add to their balance and soon they are near the credit limit. Many people realize they need to pay down their debt to the credit company and cut spending. Others go out and get a second credit card and begin running up a balance on that card. Soon card #2 is “full” and they get a third credit card, perhaps using that card to pay down some of the debt on card #1. Next thing you know card #1 is being used again you have three or more cards with the credit limit is reached or even exceeded.

    Most Americans realize they can not exceed the debt ceiling any longer and stop ALL extra spending and spend on only the absolute necessary items such as food, clothing, shelter and travel necessary for work or education and medical care.

    Our congress MUST take a lesson from the responsible Americans and cut spending on the frivolous items and only pay the bills necessary for the defense and welfare of the nation. This would include Social Security, Medicare, Veterans and defense. It will mean we can no longer spend on things we like and may be good but are not necessary for us to survive. We may have to forgo or cut spending on things like research grants, community redevelopment, etc.

    I CALL ON ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO BE RESPONSIBLE.

  • cwfoster

    Maybe we should have gone for a Third Party option early in the 2010 cycle. It?s too late now, there?s no time to build the infrastructure to be vaguely successful. We need to take back OUR party! The Party of Reagan! The party that USED to fight for the personal property rights of the American citizen! The Republican Leadership (and I TORTURE the definition of that word in this context) is nothing more than Democrat Lite. This is Saul Alinsky at his finest! Offer a choice that is no choice, but the same crap repackaged in another way. We need to PURGE the Republican Party of these liberals in conservative clothing and do it SOON! If we let Obama set his own debt ceiling with NOTHING in return, what makes Mr. McConnell think there will be anything left to save of the economy in 2012? This is the hill to fight and die on! If the Democrats say Grandma wont get her social security check, the the Republicans need to do a full court press and hold pressers every hour detailing that the money coming in WILL cover the debt service, Will cover military pay and the ONLY way there would be a ?default? is if the Secretary of the Treasury is ordered by HIS boss (Obama) to neglect those obligations in favor of paying out education assistance, and paying Planned Parenthood to perform abortions! Make the point loud and constantly that OBAMA regards community organizers more important than seniors our our military! If every Representative, and every Senator held a press conference every hour, even the mainstream media couldn?t keep it quiet! It?s time to go on the offensive, not sign over full dictatorial powers to der Fuhrer!

  • PubliusII

    To be clear, I agree that we must cut spending, and I don’t really like the McConnell proposal. But consider this:

    1. The debt ceiling only represents the aggregate of spending Congress has already approved. Refusing to raise it for spending already authorized and approporiated is sort of like refusing to pay your credit card charge for a meal you’ve already eaten.

    2. Congress can control spending by authorizing and appropriating less. Yes, I know that they haven’t passed a budget properly in several years, but that failure is not corrected by the debt ceiling dispute. The Republicans can still reduce spending in the budgetaryu process, where the debt ceiling is not at play.

    3. I hate to say this, but Obama and the Democrats have managed to “frame” the debate to their liking: if taxes aren’t raised, Aunt Agnes starves because she gets no SS check; the stock market and bond market tank, etc. I strongly believe that this spin is objectively wrong, but that does not prevent the people from falling for it.The MSM is relentlessly repeating the Democratic spin. We tried to frame the debt ceiling debate as a way to force spending cuts. Our attempt failed. Instead, Obama framed the debate as a way to force taxes increases without cutting spending.

    4. If the debt ceiling is not raised, Obama will use the event to make it as painful as possible for the American people. All that pain, as well as turmoil in the stock and bond markets, will be blamed on the Republicans, and that blame will stick. Please don’t ban me; I am only trying to be objective, not an advocate.

    5. I agree that McConnell’s plan stinks and is unconstitutional. But it has the virtue of making the debt ceiling rise, without spending cuts, solely Obama’s doing.

    6. This has more effect than mere politics. Mr. Cianfrocca has said on this site that the bond markets will react poorly to actions that show that the United States is going to keep borrowing and not impose fiscal discipline on itself. That is exactly what Obama, Pelosi, and Reid want to do, and what McConnell’s plan would enable them to do.

    7. If the bond and stock markets react poorly, all of the blame for that disaster will be Obama’s. In the subsequent crisis negotiations to control spending, Obama’s position will be weakened, and the frame of the dispute will be different than it is now.

    8. Think about it this way: the McConnell plan only postposes the day of reckoning to a time and place wherein we may have better field advantage. As frustrating as it is, perhaps McConnell is thinking that we should have this fight when we can have a better chance of winning it.

  • ihateliberals

    A true leader woul dnot be pointing fingers but solving problems. It is time that the Republicans quit playing this game with the Democrats. let’s just talk about fixing the problem and blame will take care of itself. It is much better to be a White Knight than a Black Heart. Boehner needs to stop this meeting with the Democrats all the time. It shows a weakness to his ablitly to solve this problem. The Party needs to present the plan in the form of a bill and send it to the Senate where they will either stamp it and send it on or not. Obama will have to either Veto or sign it into law. I think it is strange that the only time the Democrast wnt to compromise is when they are losing or not in control. they didn’t want to compromise on the Obamacare bill so why now are they harping about the Debt Ceiling. Only becasue they ren’t in control. The Republicans need to do the same thing that the Democrats did with Obamacare. let the politics place the blame. It will be much better for the ones that solved the problem in 2012 than for the ones that were placing blame. The ones that are always pointng the finger are actually the ones that are perecieved to be the weakest ones. Let the Dem’s do the pointing but make sure that we have done the fixing. People will remember the fixing more than the whiners.

  • ihateliberals

    Obama has no honor or dignity. No matter what happens he will blame Bush and the Republican Party. There are still enough people out there that wil accept that from him. Obama makes a good speech and even though there is no substance to his speeches many people are still willing to agree with him or be sympathetic with him. Keep in mind that Obama has no intention of giving up the throne…I mean the White House in January 2013. The only chance the Republicans have is to man-up and produce on their plans not just talk about them. we don’t hve a Reagan anymore than can give a good speech and explain thngs to the people. If the Debt Ceiling plans fail the only people to blame is us. we are the ones that elected these RINO’s that only hve their own interest in mind.

  • JSobieski

    That factor should impact the decision of whether or not this is the hill to die on. If the year was 2013 instead of 2011, we would have no choice but to go 100% to the wire and beyond.

    It is not irrational to consider whether now is the time for a goal line stand, or whether 2013 is better.

    It is also not irrational to conclude that if we don’t put a goal line stand now, people won’t vote R in 2012 and this will be the moment of our defeat.

    A rational person should ackowledge both of the statements above, and who a swing voter blames is critical to that decision.

  • YnotNOW

    to a day when we don’t have any better field advantage, but we have set the precedent that we will fold when the pressure is applied? If we don’t have the leverage of an impending debt limit, will the Senate ever agree to any significant spending cuts?

    All of your arguments above have merit, but they are not the complete picture.

  • Finrod

    But Obama has the MSM playing defense for him, spinning the lies that it’s somehow those evil Republicans that are stopping Grandma’s Social Security check.

    I don’t even particularly like McConnell’s plan, but it has the one redeeming feature that it forces Obama to propose and to act. Obama wants to sit in the White House and blame others, and the MSM is helping him do so. Forcing Obama to act and to put his own proposal out there is a Good Thing; I’m open to other plans that would do that as well, but we need to come up with something.

  • Finrod

    Democratic Presidents get credit, Republican Presidents get blame. That’s the way the MSM works.

    Do you think the MSM will let Obama take the blame for this? You’re sadly deluded if so.

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  • acat

    Truly, the D.C. wing of the GOP have earned the appellation “Gutless”.

    Mew

  • ohiohistorian

    It is a poor decision to only follow part of the laws. Even Boy Scouts know that you follow ALL laws (to the best of your ability) and fight to change those with which you disagree. I remember a bunch of dirty college students back in the 1960′s that called cops “pigs” for enforcing laws and refused to show up for draft calls. There are a bunch of them as senior members of Congress today.

    I agree that Congress went beyond our debt ceiling. However, they couldn’t know (they could guess, not know) that Obama’s projections for income in the FY were total smoke and mirrors. Also, Boehner wanted to play “kick the can down the road”. This whole battle should have been fought over the CR, not kicked down the road.

  • ohiohistorian

    The law for Congress to pass a budget is toothless as you have seen by Pelosi not having passed a budget for two years plus. But what there are is APPROPRIATIONS bills that are what the President and the rest of the government spends from. The Continuing Resolutions ARE appropriations bills. You cannot stop them except with an impoundment bill which is my point.

  • streiff

    The crux of the issue is that you really don’t understand the Impoundment Act.

    The president doesn’t have to spend every dime appropriated but he doesn’t have the authority to sequester funds. The law doesn’t so much require the Executive to spend “every last cent” as it prevents the Executive from exercising a line item veto by deciding to not carry out programs authorized and funded by Congress. The president and the Congress can agree, together, to not spend appropriations. Now whether this law, like the War Powers Resolution, is legal is untested and quite honestly it is hard to see how Congress enforces this law short of impeachment.

    The second part of the equation is that appropriations are only good for one fiscal year. At the end of that year they stop being valid. Every year millions and millions of dollars in spending authority lapse because they simply aren’t obligated before the end of the FY. The sweetener in this is that under federal law any agency that makes expenditures above a certain percentage of its total monthly burn rate in August and/or September has its budget reduced by that excess amount the next fiscal year.

    The third part of the equation is the Anti-Deficiency Act. That law states that if you spend money you don’t have you are civilly and criminally liable. This isn’t of much concern to the White House but you can bet it weighs on the minds of Cabinet officials.

    Cutting spending in August and September is every bit as feasible when ordered in July as if ordered in January. Will unwise decisions be made? Of course. But unwise and not feasible aren’t the same things.

  • streiff

    you can stop expenditures by having the authority lapse.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    Anyone attempting to spend the wrong “color of money” in DoD is liable for legal persecution.

  • YnotNOW

    in the negotiations. There may yet be hope for changing the “gutless” image of most of the GOP.
    (unfortunately, there are still some who resemble…)

  • YnotNOW

    And that requires pushing through policies (i.e. drastic cuts to spending, in this case), and electing increasing numbers of conservative legislators who will continue further cuts (rather than water them down in the future).

    That requires placing blame via identifying what the current problem is!

  • earlgrey

    after being pushed around for so long sooner or later you hit a wall and you stop giving in. here’s hoping he won’t give in!