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Dear House Republicans, This is Your “Time For Choosing”

“From here on out, if you lose this fight, every time you balk at expanding government, social security checks will be withheld, medicare payments will be withheld, and in just a few short years, surgeries will be cancelled, vaccinations withheld, and hospitals shuttered.

Dear House Republicans,

In the election of 2010, voters sent you to Washington to do two things: (1) End Obamacare and (2) pull us back from the brink of financial ruin.

You have failed at the first task. Obamacare remains. You never even seriously attempted to restrain its funding or implementation. Heck, you haven’t even saved the incandescent lightbulb.

Will you now fail at the second task too?

If you cave, fold, or compromise on the President’s terms, you will have failed in both your missions. If you support Mitch McConnell’s plan, you will have decisively failed.

Now is a time for choosing. Now is your time for choosing.As I pointed out to John Boehner yesterday, despite what the pundits in Washington are telling you, it is you and not Obama who hold most of the cards. Obama has a legacy to worry about. Should the United States lose its bond rating, it will be called the “Obama Depression”. Congress does not get pinned with this stuff.

But there are a few points that you need to understand.

First, as the hours go on, the doom and gloom scenarios are going to get worse. By the end of July, Goldman Sachs, Ben Bernanke, and Timmy Geithner are going to tell you the world will end unless you raise the debt ceiling.

They did it with TARP too.

And now we know that the amount of money used in TARP was far less than allocated and a lot of the TARP situation involved Hank Paulson forcing solvent banks to play along. Oh, and a great many Republicans were primaried out of office.

Do not believe the doom and gloom. Wise decisions are never made when premised on fear.

Second, understand that the pundits and talking heads people expect you to listen to probably have it wrong. Remember, in 2010, they told you that if you kept being the Party of No, you’d lose. And yet . . .

As I’ve said repeatedly, the pundits and chattering class in Washington have a bias far greater than their liberal one — it is a good government bias. They believe Republicans and Democrats should come together and do grand bargains. Evil and stupid come together and do something evil and stupid. The press heralds it as bipartisanship at its finest, damn the results. We’ve been doing these grand bargains for years. Remember the last time we had a balanced budget in DC? That was at $5 trillion in national debt and no one bothered to read the fine print that the “balance” was actually based on a 10 year Congressional Budget Office projection.

Likewise, the pundits with a good government bias for some reason tend to ignore the Democrats’ problems. In 2010, the media told us you beat the Democrats because the Democrats got their message wrong, not their policy. We know the truth. But we also know that the Democrats were willing to lose to advance socialism. Are you willing to lose to advance freedom?

Finally, and here is my big point — you have to win this fight. If you do not win this fight, there will be no more chances to turn back government. Why? Because President Obama is holding senior citizens hostage with their social security checks.

If the President can force your hand by using entitlements as a lever to punish the American people if you don’t do as he wants, you will have established this as a precedent. From here on out, if you lose this fight, every time you balk at expanding government, social security checks will be withheld, medicare payments will be withheld, and in just a few short years, surgeries will be cancelled, vaccinations withheld, and hospitals shuttered.

It will all be because if you lose this fight now, the Democrats will know for certain from here on out that they can use withholding entitlements as a tool to force your hand.

You must win this fight. You must show you are not afraid. When Ben Bernanke brings the Grim Reaper in on August 1st to tell you we are all going to die, you must mock death and choose life — not bipartisan compromises that will keep growing government and ever more rapidly turn this nation into a third class banana republic. In short, you must hold the freaking line!

Now, some of you, if you have read this far, are saying, “But in 1995, the Republicans got blamed for shutting down the government.” They did. But that’s because Americans detest losers. And Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole threw in the towel instead of fighting. Their will broke. They did not break the President’s will. Of course, the next year the GOP still only lost 9 House seats and actually gained Senate seats. Imagine what would have happened had they broken the President’s will.

House Republicans, this is a time for choosing: Do you choose to be more courageous than the Democrats who were willing to risk defeat to advance socialism? Is keeping your job more important to you than saving the country? If so, the odds are you will both lose your job and lose your country.

This is a time for choosing. Choose wisely.

COMMENTS

  • kliff

    with clarity and passion. Any Republican that doesn’t hold the line is betraying the results of the 2010 elections and must be primaried in 2012. I have little confidence that this group of Republicans will show the intestinal fortitude necessary to win this fight. Hopefully, I’m wrong.

  • harley01

    CONGRESS YOU CAVE YOU FOLD AS YOU DID ON THE BUDGET AND YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF’S LOOKING FOR KNEW JOBS YOU WILL BE UNEMPLOYED! LIKE IT OR NOT THE TEA PARTY SARAH PALIN AND EVERYONE INVOLVED THE TRUE PATRIOTS ARE GREATER IN NUMBERS THAN ANYONE CAN IMAGINE. MORE THAN $ 1-BILLION CAN BUY.WE WILL BE THEIR IN 2012!

  • jacon4

    The problem with this analysis is, it ignores the fact that in the end, with one branch of govt, the republicans cant win this fight. To roll back the entitlement state there is really only one way to prevail, control all 3 branches of govt, this is how obama care got enacted. Better to live to fight another day in the ’12 election than to gamble all when you hold a losing hand.

  • sowa1

    If the people want cuts in spending, to get rid of Obama care etc. , then they will have to vote Democrats out of the Senate and White House. All of you are expecing miracles out of the Republicans in the House. They only hold the House—got it? They are doing a great job. We may have to settle for a one year deal that cuts one or two Trillion off, and when and if the people have any brains they will vote more Republicans in.

  • charliesalmanack

    The GOP can, in the end, win a deal that accomplishes most everything they decided to get at the beginning of this process if they simply hold the line.

    It’s not about doing “everything” we need to do right now in this debate. Obamacare will still (unfortunately) be the law of the land, however this turns out.

    It’s about starting the process of cutting spending and reducing entitlment obligations that are unsustainable. That’s all.

    McConnell’s plan is a big, big, big political mistake, imo.

  • charliesalmanack

    I fear Boehner’s going to cave to the McConnell plan. And that he’s going to use a lot of Dem votes to do it.

    Far better to just hold the line.

    But better stll is to pull a Godfather: instead of just holding the line, go in today and slightly, ever so slightly, raise your demands. And make it clear that for every 24 hours the President holds out from agreeing, the demands go up.

    Start small: pick out a small regulation you demand get reversed as part of the talks.

    Just make it clear that the demands go UP every day he doesn’t agree.

    He’ll get the message.

  • __t_i_m_o_t_h_y__

    They have the power of the purse.

    McConnell is trying to get them to relinquish that power.

  • bigredone

    McConnell-Chamberlain & Obama-The Other Guy.

    Get it?

    The more we give, the more he takes until he has it all. Get it?

    Stand now. Remember the Alamo!

  • mikeymike143

    names like bob bennett, trey grayson and charlie crist. ask them how well being the establishment candidate and compromising with democrats worked out for them. and you can bet your childrens milk money that us tea partiers will agressively primary any republican if they roll over on this issue.

    and there is no sense in worrying about the general election if you cant even make it through the primary. just ask mike castle. and if i was a republican up for reelection in 2012 i would tell them to shut the government down before i caved on this issue.

  • heroone1

    You are right, they must stop this, for me I have not worked for more than a year now. I live on odd jobs, but I know the only way I can get back to work full time again is for the man-boy to leave the White House.

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    than those Republicans re elected in 2010. The weak link are those Congressman who have been in Washington for 10 years or more.

  • 1stRichard

    Class warfare, Bourgeois and Proletarians, this includes attacks on inheritance, the death tax as prescribed in the Communist Manifesto, a heavy progressive taxation as prescribed in the Communist Manifesto, Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state as prescribed in the Communist Manifesto, we now have Government Motors and such as prescribed in the Communist Manifesto, Government Unions as prescribed in the Communist Manifesto, wealth redistribution as prescribed in the Communist Manifesto, moved toward removing education from the states and nationalizing education as prescribed in the Communist Manifesto, national healthcare as prescribed in the Communist Manifesto and so much more. There must never be compromise, bipartisanship or whatever in moving toward Communism, we should be moving away.

  • throwback59

    even pass a vote to save the light bulb. The light bulb! What are the odds the can hold firm on a controversial subject?
    I look forward to eating my words and issuing mea culpas.

  • tokm908

    First off, GREAT post.

    Everyone I have talked to, not just political junkies like myself have agreed that a balanced budget is needed in Washington. The vast majority of Americans agree as well. Not only are the polls on our side, but its the right thing to do.

    If we bow to The Central Planners on this, it will seal Obama’s re-election and seal the fate of many of the new freshman. We cannot afford this.

    Look at where we are in the Senate. If it weren’t for Jim DeMint and the Senate Conservative Fund we wouldn’t have Mike Lee, Pat Toomy, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul….etc. IMAGINE the situation we would be in right now if we didn’t have them… This conversation wouldn’t even be taking place and the debt limit would have been raised as soon as Bernanke bat an eye.

    Losing this battle is NOT an option. We hold the cards. If the compromise fails, the debt ceiling is not raised and cuts are forced. We can ONLY lose by submitting to a RINO-like deal.

    Tea Party Freshman: Do not forget why you are in Washington today. WE put you there in response to OUT OF CONTROL big government. The only way the sky will fall, is if you forget that.

  • jerseydevil

    The “Light Bulb Bill” that this House was asked to consider: HR2417 had an amendment added that would have been UNCONSTITUTIONAL! It attacked the 10th Amendment by saying that STATES COULD NOT MAKE A CHOICE ON THEIR OWN LIGHT BULB LAWS! HR91 was the ORIGINAL BULB BILL that SHOULD have been voted on in the House! ASK YOUR REP’s to put HR (! back on the table for a vote!

  • Joe Cor

    They introduced it under special rules where a simple majority wasn’t enough. Like they didn’t want it to pass. Just like the Speaker really, really doesn’t like Obamacare, but somehow his hands were tied by the “rules” and he couldn’t take the funding out. To an outside observer they seem almost parilized by their own fears.

    Something else that needs to be mentioned, and I know is super-obvious except to Republicans and their myriad talking head fans, is that Republicans need to start messaging. And publicly arguing with the President and reporters. And calling the President out on his misstatement of the facts. It’s a vicious cycle: they’re don’t say anything because they’re scared and then they get beat up even more so they get more scared. But if they just started opening their mouths they would start to gain in confidence, because I’m sure it would feel so good and liberating to not be cowering in the abuse of the Democrat/Media complex. But their still-loyal fans refuse to see this as a problem (NRO, Charles Krauthammer, Fred Barnes, to name a few) and instead act like they are totally powerless in the face of the Democrat/Media complex. But it is possible to challenge it. All they have to do is try. Liz Cheney did it. Dick Cheney did it (although I wish he did it far more). The Swift Boat Veterans did it. Reagan did it. It’s not impossible. And it is essential.

  • banzaibob

    We can still run a third party that will suck the votes away and you will still lose.

  • AceInTX

    I won’t be holding my breath

  • edintexas

    Participants in Red State generally “turn off” when faced with “shouting” (all capitals posts). You stand a far better chance of having your post read by using normal upper and lower case letters. As an example, I did not read your post prior to posting this response, and I doubt I will read it.

  • xenophanes

    The “bi-partisan” deal everyone hailed H.R. 4853 “Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act” contained Title IV – Temporary Extension of Investment Incentives which extended the Bonus Depreciation on qualified property (including corporate jets) until 2014 and raised the first year deduction from 50% to ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. ( HR 4853 Title IV Sect 401 (a) (1)-(5) ). The very program Obama has been beating you around the head with for the past month.

  • steve53

    Mr. Erickson wrote: ‘Now, some of you, if you have read this far, are saying, ?But in 1995, the Republicans got blamed for shutting down the government.? They did. But that?s because Americans detest losers. And Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole threw in the towel instead of fighting. Their will broke. They did not break the President?s will….’

    This is the point I made yesterday. If you choose to go into battle, you must go in to win. Surrender is not an option. Gingrich surrendered. Clinton was rightly seen as the “strong horse.”

  • rj145

    Erick said it all. One of his best yet.

    If the Republicans cave on this one they can forget about 2012. We are looking for courage, strength, and resolve. We thought we might get it in 2010 but thus far we have only got cheap rhetoric and disappointment. Fail us this time and we will have to look elsewhere. A Libertarian/Tea Party coalition party perhaps?

  • steve53

    The way to remove Obama is to beat him politically; to defeat him. You are advocating surrender in the face of threats (political “terrorism”) because we do not control all three branches of government.

  • xenophanes

    The recent Quinnipiac found that “Voters say 67 – 25 percent that an agreement to raise the debt ceiling should include tax hikes for the wealthy and corporations”.

    Yes, people do not want to raise the debt ceiling, but even more they don’t want to default. The Dems and the media have successfully convinced a significant majority that it is irresponsible not to raise taxes, and the right answer is getting rich people (i.e. someone else) to pay more.

    If the Republicans hold their ground and things go badly, Dems, the media and 67%+ of the population will blame them for stubbornly protecting their rich supporters.

    If the Republicans don’t hold out, they will be primaries out by the Tea Party.

    The problem is Republicans have allowed the President, Geitner, Pelosi, and Bernake to define things.

    “Increase revenue” has been equated with “raise tax rates”
    “reduce spending” has been equated with “cut entitlements”
    “accelerated depreciation” has been defined as “tax breaks for corporate jets”
    “money you don’t need” has been defined as “the amount of tax you should pay”
    “correct inflation rates” and “index retirement age” have been defined as “take away social security”
    “dead wrong strategy” has been called “headwinds, bumps in the road, etc.”

  • steve53

    “McConnell?s plan is a big, big, big political mistake, imo.”

    He is giving up an obligation he has to hold a US president accountable for his reckless spending. He is ceding power and control to a president who has no scruples.

  • rcastonjr

    participants automatically turn off. What some DO turn off to is the hall monitors that ounce on a person about etiquette without so much as reading the post. Would it not be less offensive for you to have read his post, commented on it, then said hey, and by the way, your post would have been more effective it was not all caps as all caps means that you are shouting. Just saying.

  • derechista76

    It’s time for House Repubs to leave the “Gluttons for Punishment Talks” and pass a smaller bill with a sweetener for the freshmen. Pass a bill that raises the debt limit by $500 bill but has equal agreed-to Biden cuts PLUS $50-$100 bill in cuts to Obamacare. That would both pass the House and put the onus on Obama and the Dems.

    Speaker Boehner and Maj Ldr Cantor: Leave the enemy’s venue, where you have no power, and return to the House where your power resides. Plus, you look like the hired help coming and going from the White House, at this point.

  • steve53

    The media will always side with the far left because the media is leftist. The media is rooting for Obama. Media elites want Obama to trample the opposition so that he will be seen as the victor by the American people. It takes political courage and leadership to do what is right in the face of a relentless media onslaught.

    Erickson has it right: “If the President can force your hand by using entitlements as a lever to punish the American people if you don?t do as he wants, you will have established this as a precedent. From here on out, if you lose this fight, every time you balk at expanding government, social security checks will be withheld, medicare payments will be withheld, and in just a few short years, surgeries will be cancelled, vaccinations withheld, and hospitals shuttered.”

    This president is using “political terror” as a means to intimidate his opposition into submission. How can Republicans cave under these tactics?

  • duanej

    This is a great article. I loved reading every word. I’ll probably go back and re-read it several times…just to get that same old feeling.

    My question is, to the people who NEED to read this article READ it? Will the House Republicans stand firm? Will they read it and get the same inspirational message that Iget. Will this fortify them and help them to resolve and stand firm against and in the face of pur evil?

    I don’t know the answer to this. I know one thing. If your congressman doesn’t get a link to this article from you, who will you blame for them losing their nerve in the final moment of truth? How will history judge YOUR actions here today?

  • jlsankot

    First, I liked this post and hope we get more like it.

    Second, my suggestion: when Obama says “Well, I can’t guarantee that the social security, vet, medicare checks will go out if we don’t raise the debt ceiling….”, the Republicans need come back with something like this:

    OK, in order to pay out the social security money, let’s put a hold on the EPA. OK, in order to pay out the vet money, let’s put a hold on the Dept. of Energy. OK, in order to pay out the medicare money, let’s put a hold on the Dept. of Education. (or pick any department you know is now a waste of our money)

    How difficult would this be? Instead, it always seems to me that we are on the leash allowing the Dems to be the alpha male.

    We know these things will be paid out, but if they want to play that game, we can too!

  • mndasher

    It seems to me the House, should just go ahead and pass a bill that would make the necessary cuts for the remainder of fiscal 2011, and 2012, raise the debt limit just barely enough for the next year. And send it on to the Senate. — Ball in their court.

  • 1elder1

    Even though I am working on New York State and the powerful Organize4Palin projects I won’t threaten others from afar. It is only a useful tactic if you say get out of the way as you run over someone. That is my latest fun tactic with others outside the O4P national group. Give your adversary no preparation time to defend himself.

    In teaching my experiencene with kids was not to threaten them from the front of the room but to go to their seat and tell them to stop whatever annoying thing they were doing. No room for them to continue and no room to attract other little angelic miscreants to give support to the culprit.

    In otherwords you are following through up close and personal . Then you are out of there and on to the next project.
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  • jerci

    Very well said indeed. The Republicans in the House have done a wonderful job so far of hanging in there against all kinds of pressure. They have not yet begun to fight the Obamacare battle. That time is coming, but this one is first.

    The notion that a failure to raise the debt limit automatically means a default and/or missed Social Security payments is nonsense. There are always choices. In rough numbers we collect $200B a month in taxes and spend $300B. The interest on the debt is $29B. Some debt can be rolled over because it is not new borrowing. Clearly there is money to pay many obligations; there is no money to waste. There is no money for new spending.

    Republicans may only control one house in the legislature, but that is a powerful slot. The rules are that the House controls money. Hang in there Republicans. Do not let them buffalo you. Stand for what is right – Please!

    Great job on this post Mr. Erickson. You keep it up too.

  • Wayne

    When all is said and done, one should stand by one’s principles. Politicizing SS and MC illuminates the character of this President.

    2010 was a mandate, now is the time to demonstrate that we mean business in the most tangible way.

    Thanks Eric, your post was spot on! I won’t waste more space, as you have said it all.

    Bravo

  • rememberthealamo

    My, aren’t we stuffy and full of ourselves this morning. Why not include an early AM lecture on leaving the cap off the toothpaste.

  • 4dees

    Great article!!! This is the last, big hoorah for the Republicans, as far as I’m concerned. If they can’t defeat Obama, Reid and Pelosi on this, then they will never win at anything. Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan need to be in charge of the meetings, not Boehner. These two young Republicans “get it”, and all Boehner and McConnell care about is “striking a deal”. They forget they are dealing with the devil, and you don’t make deals with the devil. Thanks for a great article.

  • steve53

    What you suggest is basically what the Republican leadership has been doing. They’ve been conducting (I believe futile) negotiations behind closed doors with this president. It is Obama and his people who have been making threats. It is Obama and his people who have been leaking private negotiations to the press. At a certain point, when negotiations break down as they inevitably will, Republicans need to take their case to the public.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    Do not believe the doom and gloom. Wise decisions are never made when premised on fear.

    We’ve had at least 4 of these big existential crisis deals in the last 50 years. That’s once every 12.5 years. That’s a piss-poor system from an engineering standpoint. We would be doing the future Americans a favor if we made it wreck and it had to therefore be redesigned in a fundamentally better fashion.

  • MuskegonCritic

    In the spirit of full disclosure, I’m a Democrat. But I agree with this post.

    Neither side should blink, here. I believe we should follow this wrestling match to its conclusion and go into Federal default.

    I believe in the long run it’s going to benefit regular Americans. And I’m comforted that Geithner would be the one deciding which bills to pay, and which not to pay.

    Either that, or nothing at all will happen…in which case, nothing lost.

  • Duke

    NOW is the time to get in this race, and the way to do it is to put some starch in the backbones of the Republicans.

    Your first campaign proclamation should be, “When I’m elected next year my first order of business as your President will be to make whole any and all Social Security recipients and federal pensioners who have been shorted by the policies of President Obama.”

    At that point all the Republicans need do is tell President Incompetent to live within his budget.

  • izoneguy

    N/T

  • __t_i_m_o_t_h_y__

    Is call our new young guns every day and urge them to oppose leadership and encourage them that they are the future–not McConnell, not Boehner.

    I just got off the phone with Rubio’s office urging him to filibuster McConnell’s proposal and throw everything at the Rhino’s he has got.

    Urge the tea-party congressmen to buck the leadership and let them know you have their back.

    We can beat these bastards.

  • streiff

    all caps and lots of exclamation points ensure your comment doesn’t get read.

  • streiff

    is that 1) a debt ceiling has to pass the House so really all we need is one half of one branch to win this battle if our people stand firm, and 2) the people we elected in 2010 are going to have a hard time surviving 2012 if they to along with no concessions from the administration.

  • streiff

    will get you the boot. You’ve been here long enough to know that advocating 3d party runs against Republican primary winners is off limits.

  • unclefred

    “In the election of 2010, voters sent you to Washington to do two things: (1) End Obamacare and (2) pull us back from the brink of financial ruin.”

    Let’s talk about (1) first. Yep we sent them to end Obamacare knowing full well that as long as they only control ONE legislative body the most they can do is slow it down and mess with it’s funding. We also know that, unless the SCOTUS tosses it out, we can’t end Obamacare unless we control the WH and the entire congress, or have a 2/3rds majority in both the house and Senate. Telling them they “failed at the first task” is absurd. If anyone failed it’s us, by failing to take the Senate. On balance the house is doing what they can to slow Obamacare.

    Moving on to (2).

    McConnell’s plan is not a plan it is capitulation and abrogation of the legislature’s constitutional responsibilities. The worst aspect of it is that now it’s being embraced by the left and the media. What a stalking horse. What a loser of a move. The media and pundits portray the house leadership as considering the plan, which is NOT what I’ve heard them say. “It’s maybe plan 52 and we are talking about plan 2 or 3 right now” is not considering the plan. The way for us to deal with the McConnell plan is to call EVERY Republican Senator and remind them that we understand their constitutional duties even if McConnell does not and ask them to oppose the plan and push him to drop the entire idea.

    To say that the house lost the debate on the government shutdown in 1995 because they broke, is only partly true. The house republicans were not prepared for individual members (other than the leadership) being repeatedly mugged by the media. Prior to 1995 the conventional wisdom was that house members were rarely spotlighted at a national level and that for the most part their fellow 434 members provided enough cover that house members did not generally get national heat. For the most part it never happened before. They did not understand that was only true because the house had been controlled by the party with which the media was friends. Once it was controlled by “republican extremists” the rules of coverage changed. Had they stuck to their guns they might have changed the narrative but that is impossible to know. I realize that Clinton was slipping in the polls, but how the narrative would have played in November 1996 even had the republicans “won” that battle is impossible to know. Dole still would have been the coattailless nominee. One result of 1995 is that this time EVERY Republican in the house knows the level of pressure that will be brought to bear. Hopefully they are prepared for it.

    This is NOT 1995 and the media does not control this debate. If they did, the polls would be the other way and house would already have folded. We, you and I, here on the net and in our day to day lives control this debate. The media shot their wad getting Obama elected, somewhere between 2/3rds and 3/4ths of the electorate trust the media less than congress, lawyers, or used car salesmen.

    The last way that this is not 1995 is that voters are paying attention and the congress knows it. BOTH sides know it. A large percentage of the voters are not relying on the MSM for the data and have access to the real numbers. The Dems and the media are desperate to find a spin that will take the voter’s eyes off the real numbers. So far they have had little success.

    So without threats or rancor call your congressman or congresswoman and tell them that you appreciate them holding the line on this and that just as Eric says they must win. I usually remind them that the backlash of failure will be catastrophic. I leave the details of the catastrophe unsaid.

    Yesterday I spoke with someone at the bar over dinner. The television was showing the MSM coverage of the debt fight. On the back of a napkin, I demonstrated the math that showed that without raising the debt ceiling, there is plenty of revenue to pay interest, entitlements, and critical military and defense, with $40 billion a month left over. Then I mentioned the various hundreds of billions unspent in tarp, stimulus, and other slush funds that Obama has available. He shook his head and commented that threatening to stop SS checks when there is plenty of money was criminal. The dems are lying about the numbers and default. It’s easy to show. Expecting that to get coverage by the MSM no matter how many Republicans say it is foolish. We get that message out by talk radio, the net, and around the water cooler.

    We need to hold their feet to the fire; that is a given. We also need to help them push the truth about defaulting. They are the frontline, but we are all in this fight.

  • Ann_W

    Only controlling one half of one branch of govt is like being in the UN. And you can’t even show that the argument is on your side because they’ve got the media on their side.

    That’s the real problem with the Republicans is their lack of PR skills, how many times do you get the “Republicans only fight for their buddies, the rich” line repeated on you before you figure out a brief effective response that all the R’s can repeat so it won’t be covered up by the media.

  • YnotNOW

    Certainly many of the current crop of Republicans deserve to be primaried, particularly if they do not stand strong in this deficit fight. But you can’t replace every incumbent at once. Heck, you can’t even oust half of the Democrats currently in office. Prioritize efforts, and choose wisely

  • steve53

    I’ve heard some good things about Perry. It concerns me the way he is holding back from announcing. He is letting strong conservatives like Bachmann and others do all the heavy lifting. These are the ones taking the heat for their positions; for their hard choices. If Perry lets these people hang out to dry while he sits on the side lines, I have a hard time respecting him for it.

  • YnotNOW

    Even though Repubs don’t hold all of the levers of power, and therefore will have to compromise somewhat in enacting the best we can get, the tendency to fold under pressure will only show that the incumbents aren’t worth fighting for, and undercut the argument for putting them into control of additional power levers.

    He who has been faithful in little….

  • izoneguy

    But I have a strong feeling he is getting his ducks in a row before announcing.
    I think he wants a level of committment he is comfortable with from a money standpoint before launching. If the interest or money is not there then only he knows that. But I think the money is and will be there and interest is sky high at this point.

    Remember – he has to beat all the other Republicans first. I think he is letting them bleed a little before he gets to the main match.

  • twinspinevie2

    i think the repubs mean what they are saying but when they get to washington they get the fever and get sick like the rest of the people in washington.

  • steve53

    You wrote: “So without threats or rancor call your congressman or congresswoman and tell them that you appreciate them holding the line on this and that just as Eric says they must win. I usually remind them that the backlash of failure will be catastrophic. I leave the details of the catastrophe unsaid.”

    I called my Congressman. At this juncture, with the information he has, my Congressman (like many freshmen Congress men / women) is planning on voting to NOT raise the debt limit and he’s been up there many years. He’s made his decision public. How is your Congressman planning on voting?

  • LoneStarSon

    I was born in 1975, so I was not around during the civil rights marches. However, I have often heard how effective they were in bringing about change. Why has a march on Washington not been announced for this? I’d be willing to make the drive. It’s a lot harder to tell someone no face to face than over the phone or through an email.

    We are at the crossroads and it’s time to choose which type of nation we will be and what type of citizenry we are. Are we willing to get off our duff, spend some money and be heard or will we continue to ride the couch and hide behind our keyboards? I don’t think our elected officials are hearing us. Bring D.C. to a halt by flooding the streets with a bunch of protesters demanding financial responsibility and they might just get the message.

  • acat

    Haven’t seen this issue crop up on Red State, but .. according to a liberal-leaning colleague in Texas, Perry’s tussles with the EPA are being interpreted (mis-interpreted, i suspect…) as indicating that Perry wants *no* controls on power plant emissions.

    While I know you’re not inside Perry’s decision loop, I would like to know that Team Perry is aware of this – there are a number of Americans who like clean air and are under the mistaken impression that the EPA gets it for them – and Perry’s going to have to address it at some point. Guesses on how he’ll go about it?

    Mew

  • lvjohnston

    the results of 2010 are what the House should be thinking about.

    The House holds not only purse strings (all 3 branches must approve raising the debt ceiling) but also the power to set the budget priorities. the number one priority should be less spending.

    Too many times, as noted in the article, the denizens of the swamp called DC just agree to something (anything!) to show that they are relevant and in the process show that they are not even close. Then when the law of unintended consequences kicks in and all end up paying the piper, the finger-pointing begins. Those “grand bargains” are far from grand and in no way a bargain for the taxpayers.

    So I say to the House leadership, “Enough!”

    Stand your ground and choose freedom!

    Any other choice is just kicking the can down the road and that path is a dead-end from what I can tell.

  • hidlins

    I don’t care that you used all caps. I fully agree with what you said. I’ll be there fighting alongside you in 2012…

  • arthurmanger17

    WHEN THE LEFT SHOUTS ON MSNBC INSTEAD OF TALKING. WHEN THEIR INSANITY IS SHOUTED DURING AND OVER ANYONE ELSE DURING A PANEL DISCUSSION, SAY ON FOX, THAT’S SHOUTING. THIS IS JUST A MORE EFFICIENT WAY OF TYPING, USING THE CAPS LOCK. EFFICIENT IS A CONCEPT THAT WE UTILIZE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

  • philhoganjr

    Great post, Erick. Couldn’t have been said better.

    As far as the blame is concerned, let’s do a compare and contrast of 2011 and 1995.

    1 – The influence of FNC, talk radio and the blogosphere versus the mainstream media leviathan in 1995.

    2 – The petulance and incompetence of Barack Obama versus the shrewdness and Everyman quality of Bill Clinton.

    3 – The mortally wounded nature of the Obama presidency versus the slightly better state of affairs (particularly economically) for Clinton in 1995.

    The comparison to 1995 is a soundbite for the talking head simpletons. It’s silly and myopic. Scratch the surface and you see conservatives have all the leverage in the world.

  • Tbone

    I called his offices and told that them that I have voted for him in every election since his first. However, if he folds on this, I will never vote for him again and I won’t. Being in California, it’s not like I have a lot of other reasons to go to vote.

    If the Republican Leadership doesn’t understand what is at stake out here outside the Beltway, to hell with them.

  • blaze422

    The republicans must do a better job with their messaging. Ryan was awesome this morning. First time in a long time I heard that cuts being proposed by Dems were not structural and were things like cuts to Medicare in the form of reduced payments to providers etc. Ryan hammered the point that we aren’t looking for a couple of years fix…we need structural changes. The issue of tax loopholes he said are tangential to the breakdown in negotiations…until the Dems get serious about cuts it’s all moot.
    I believe that the loophole/ tax line in the sand is important, but the fact that the Dems are not negotiating cuts in good faith needs to be repeated often.

  • runner12

    The House Republicans must hold the line. This is what they were sent there for. If they do, they will be heroes. If they do not, they will be among the many politicians who have promised one thing to constituents and done the exact opposite. In short, they will be labeled as liars and sneaks.

    Now is their time. As Mr. Erickson put it, wise decisions must not be governed by fear. Courage is what will win the day.

  • Kyle-MI

    Without controlling the House, the Dems can’t get their way either. And they are proving that they will not compromise.

    This is a game of political chicken. Whoever swerves first, looses.

  • carolina

    imo

  • arthurmanger17

    That is not the proper equation. It is the vast majority of Americans against the diminishing left in this country. With the technology to have the social networking and news assimilation other than the main stream media, we now know out vast our majority is. The mid term elections proved that. If for some reason some in congress can’t understand that they represent us, then they will know exactly how much more powerful this vast, (no longer silent) majority can do. That WE THE PEOPLE control all branches of the government.

  • jmimac351

    “GOP wasn’t sent to Washington to cut, run & hide from debt fight with “fallback” plan. We need to cut, cap & balance.”

    “No Republican was elected to give President Obama more power and that’s what this plan does.”

    “I’ll use every tool in the Senate to stop passage of “Plan B” blank check debt limit increase.”

  • jmimac351

    It’s a time for Marco Rubio. Obama fears Rubio and does not want to take him on. If DeMint and Rubio move front and center to block this in the Senate, and if Rubio goes after Obama even more, they will provide a stark example in the Senate and among Republican leadership in general of who the leaders are, and who the cowards are.

  • Common_Cents

    The broader scope battle is DC elites from both parties and federal govt against the states and the rest of us.

    They will reveal their true colors when we try and significantly reduce federal govt. It won’t go easy. I hope the tea party movement continues to help put real conservative patriots in office.

  • tea4me

    …is folding like a cheap suit.

    They all have to be primaried.

  • Common_Cents

    If we nominate another nice guy McCain we will have little chance.

    We need a candidate that can take the fight right to the left and call them out.

    I hope potential candidates are tapping people w/ qualities/talents like Giuliani, Christie etc..that are good at taking on the media/left directly

    A nice person calmly discussing policy isn’t going to cut it. Even though there might be some slick rock star backlash against Obama from voters.

    Conservatives are good at math, common sense, policy. but HORRIBLE at reaching the rest in the middle by using emotional appeal. We must use both to win.

    Look at how obama won. Pure emotional appeal. A total blank slate on policy. We need to learn from that to use it to educate people on the facts.

  • Common_Cents

    Mitch playing footsie has to end now. We need a shakeup in DC.

  • Kyle-MI

    NT

  • Kyle-MI

    inspires the resolve of the GOP at the federal level. I know it is not quite over in MN, yet, but looking very favorable.

  • citizenjerry

    Will we “hold the freaking line?’ I certainly hope so. I’ve also been disappointed so many times by squishy moderate RINOs who will only “reach across the aisle in bipartisanship.” (aka John McCain).

    What’s everybody’s take? Will the Republicans cave and go the way of the Whigs?

  • LoneStarSon

    Governor Perry is waiting for the right time, but I do not doubt he will run. I have believed for well over a year that he should run for President. I think he is our best bet. He knows how to fight and win; not to mention his strong record and he looks the part.

    Look for an announcement sometime shortly after the Prayer Meeting. Of course, if it were me, I would wait and make the announcement at Kyle Field at half-time during the first nationally televised game.

  • littlehouse18

    ..

  • lizaz

    that 80% of the American people want a balanced approach to “getting our fiscal house in order”…his idea of a “balanced approach” is raising taxes (which he calls “revenues” to lessen the effect of the word) and lowering spending. Where does he get 80% wanting new taxes???????? This is more bs!!! Then in the next breath he says he has all these “programs” waiting to put in effect for infrastructure construction to create many jobs……isn’t this more SPENDING????? He said we don’t need a BBA (he explained condescendingly to us dummies listening that means balanced budget amendment) because they just need to follow the Constitution and “do their job”!! He invokes the Constitution when it’s to his advantage, but otherwise ignores it; i.e., “executive orders”. Seems like I saw a few WH press corps looking up at the ceiling as he was babbling on….I wonder if even they are beginning to doubt him…….

  • littlehouse18

    they need to lose some of the “nice guy” approach. I support Ryan but his message is not getting through. We need to be bolder. You can be tough and still maintain integrity,

    That said, I don’t think Obama will give an inch on anything. So we have to get a short-term plan out there and dare him to veto it and be held responsible. And we start shouting the truth.

  • littlehouse18

    but the message has still not been getting out.

  • littlehouse18

    about this. He has such charisma and oratorical skills that he might finally be able to make people hear the message.

  • littlehouse18

    after hearing the same-old, same-old droning. They’ll still do his bidding, though.

  • http://www.scragged.com petrarch

    … it’s a time for choosing for you too – well, really, for all conservatives.

    If the Republicans hold the line, fine.

    But assuming they don’t – and I think that you’re figuring they won’t, because they never do – then will you still support the Republican party as an institution?

    Because the RINOs and country-club Republicans-in-charge will have learned that, yes, they CAN bend over in the face of “starve Granny” threats, and conservatives will forgive them. So they’ll never take conservative threats seriously again, even to the extent that they ever have before.

    When does it stop? Where do we draw the line? How many times must we get robbed and betrayed, before we move to a “Kill ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out” (metaphorically speaking of course) position?

    And believe me, I’m well aware of the reasons 3rd parties don’t usually get anywhere in American politics: one of the existing 2 has to die first for a 3rd party to get a chance. Maybe it’s time for the Republican party to die as did the Whigs and the Federalists before them. When will be that time, and how will we know?

  • Locked and Loaded

    It would be more efficient to never depress the caps lock – hence, no caps. And, studies show all lower-case typing to be more easily read than all caps.

    Your government-quality diatribe doesn’t speak well of your alleged private sector credentials.

  • carolynr

    This is very important. If the President of the United States will threaten seniors with non-payment…and also non-payment of Medicare…WHAT DO YOU LIBS think he will do with your precious Obamacare. The first time things don’t go his way…he will threaten non payment of medical bills. Bankrupt you…yes..and that was the plan all along.

    Everyone keeps putting Obama in a box of Office of the President and making excuses for his choices. He’s too inexperienced…he’s dumb, he’s never held an office that requires executive experience. DID YOU EVER THINK THAT OBAMA IS WHAT HE HAS HELD HIMSELF OUT TO BE…A COMMUNIST. What is his plan…destroy America as we know it. You might seem more comfortable with the other excuses I used above…but…think about it…what tenets does he hold dear to his heart? Not the ones you do. So…if there were ever a question in your mind about having the United States Government control ANYTHING in your life…here is the proof…Economic Terrorism practiced in the Oval Office against the people of the United States of America…AND WE ELECTED HIM. It is time to look towards those “negative” principles in our Constitution that limited our government from the tyranny that we are now experiencing. DO YOU FINALLY SEE WHAT THE REAL PLAN HAS BEEN ALL ALONG? Or…do you cling to excuses that make you more comfortable with choices you have made or excuses the MSM has told you…BECAUSE…SURELY…THIS COULDN’T HAPPEN IN AMERICA. WELL IT HAS AND IT WILL CONTINUE UNTIL HE IS GONE…ALONG WITH HIS ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION.

  • carolynr

    I listened to Boehner’s comments last night with Greta. He said he was never given a number…never given anything to begin as a basis point. He dealing with him was like jello. So…he had his news conference…I bet he contradicted himself. Never gave any firm numbers…just more empty rhetoric. Meanwhile…S&P and Moody’s putting on the pressure (I wonder if all those financial people aren’t in the same boat…all working for Obama). What do we do people…what do we do. He can do too much damage in his remaining time left in the White House. If he gets re-elected…well…maybe it’s time to leave the country.

  • steve53

    You think he is letting them bleed a little before he gets to the main match, I do not like that strategy. I hope you are wrong. I hope that is not what he is doing.

  • LoneStarSon

    I think it’s about building the anticipation and getting things in order. If he goes through with the prayer meeting after announcing, the media will rip him more than they already will. You have to understand, we Texans, we native Texans, are a bit slower paced than some would like…and we’re okay with that. We are thoughtful and not usually knee-jerk reactors. Perry will run and will be announcing soon. I have no doubt. I do not think it will be before the prayer meeting. I do not think it’s to make others bleed.

    Perry/Bachmann would be a pretty darn good ticket. When Perry wins, I hope, if Bachmann is the runner-up, that he pulls a Reagan and chooses her as his running mate. If not, I think Pawlenty or Cantor would also be helpful…If Cantor holds the House Republicans together, this could be a good thing for his chances to appear on the ticket or as Speaker.

  • PubliusII

    neede. What constitutes holding the line, not caving, etc?

    While I agree with everything the post says in general, the Republicans will be forced to vote for or against something specific. For example:

    1. “Grand bargain”, including entitlement tinkering and tax increases.

    2. Little bargain, no tax increases and just enough spending cuts to get past the 2012 election. N.B. Will those “cuts” be real or smoke and mirrors?

    3. Minimal bargain: spending cut and debt increase for a few months to give Congress more time.

    Which of these is surrender? Which of these is holding the line? I think the post would be more helpful if the post gave more specifics.

    Now I would love to use this occasion to repeal Obamacare, reform Medicare, reform Social Security, etc. But honestly, those goals are not realistic given the Senate’s composition and Obama’s incumbency. If anything less than our maximum demands is not surrender, then what should we settle for?

  • unclefred

    There are structural reasons why neither major party has died in the modern era. It is widely believed this is primarily due to a couple of factors.

    First modern communications allow parties to redefine themselves in the minds of voters. We can argue if this redefinition is real or only for appearances, but as long as the voters buy the change it doesn’t matter. Modern communications also allow an existing party to co-opt the positions of third parties sufficiently to prevent them from gaining national traction.

    Second computers and the massive amount of demographic information that is available, allow the party in control of redistricting to gerrymander districts that are tailored for them. This has much the same impact on a third party as it does on the other major party.

    Third parties sound good, and I can imagine a constitutionalist party winning a couple of seats in the house, but the notion that a full third national party can emerge and supplant the republican party is wishful thinking.

    If we are to succeed, we must do what the marxists did to the Democrats. We must take over the Republican party by overwhelming the RINO’s at the grass roots and through the primary process. Certainly 2010 was a good start. It is going to take time, but even if it were possible to form a third party and successfully contest (say) 400 of the 435 seats in the house, and eventually become dominate, that process would take far far longer. The quickest, and almost certainly the only, way to success is to take back the republicans from the RINOs.

  • sarg01

    The Reps in Congress are doing the best they can. Well, except maybe this McConnell thing – I don’t know what the hell that’s supposed to be about.

    Pass a trillion in cuts and a trillion in ceiling. Screw Obama’s veto threat. Let him veto it. It’ll be pretty hard for him to pretend a default is all the Reps fault then.

    For everyone that will howl about this … it’s still a trillion in cuts. And it preserves the ceiling issue for early 2012. Then we do it again. There’s 2 trillion gone.

    And then we get to talk about what happens when Obama vetoes the “Bush tax cut” extension and every person in the country – rich, middle or poor – gets a tax increase in an election year.

  • hst

    The notion that either party would view the risk of a world-wide depression through the lens of political posturing is sickening, quite frankly. Unfortunately this kind of petulance seems to be gaining more and more sway in the Republican party these days. I can barely recognize it anymore.

    pax.

    ~hst

  • reaganbuckley

    mmmm….

    Seriosly. It’s awful to watch this country commit economic suicide and my party commit political suicide, by defaulting on our debt. Take 2-3 trillion in spending cuts and make the deal. It’s not worth the extra interest payments and the long term economic damage defaulting will cause. Obama Derangement Syndrome is blinding some people from making rational decisions.

  • renny

    cuts in discretionary spending (the 24% extra hires o has employed since 2009, for instance, should be eliminated) and drop it on Reid and the WH and let them puke and rave.

    And not raising the debt limit will not be ec. suicide. For heavens sake, look at the numbers. We STILL take in $200 billion a month and can cover ALL Social Security/Disabilities, Medicare/Medicaid, Pentagon/Defense, debt service ($29 billion a month), and unemployment ins. payments within that $200 billion.

    Paying ALL fed. employees their salaries and pensions might have to be cut, fed. construction might have to be halted, all the green nonsense and high-speed rail proposals would be curtailed. But we would (EXCUSE THE CAPITALS) be able to PAY OUR DEBT SERVICE AND NOT RENEG ON IMPORTANT FED. COMMITMENTS.

    So, at least the RIGHT should stop the sky is falling blather. The left has enough for every man, woman, and child in the universe.

  • renny

    The right is NOT risking worldwide depression any more than Paulson who helped start some of this nonsense was risking his job or perks by claiming the financial sky was falling in 2008.

  • hst

    No. I’m a Fiscal Conservative. A Fiscal Conservative that wondered how in the world we were going to pay for billions upon billions of expenditures for two wars that never paid for in the budgets.

    How is that fiscally responsible?

    The bottom line is that we’ve put ourselves in this position and we NEED to raise taxes on those that can afford it. This is not a Liberal idea. This was done by Reagan and Eisenhower.

    I’m sorry. In times past William Buckley would have shamed these nutters into silence just as he did with Birchers.

    I’m more and more afraid for my country and my party.

  • gekster

    and your statement:
    “The bottom line is that we?ve put ourselves in this position and we NEED to raise taxes on those that can afford it.”
    kinda makes you a troll.
    Fiscal conservatives don’t raise taxes.
    As Reagan said, “We don’t have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem”.

  • mikeymike143

    this is a man who truly loves his country.

  • powertothepeople

    based on their success and excluding others based on their inability to succeed or make a lot of money is a liberal idea of class warfare. I could care less who has done it in the past, does not change what it is.

    And lets not play bleeding heart liberal please, the wars alone are not what put us in the mess. To state they are the reasons for this mess is a lie, period.

    We can, and I repeat can, get out of this mess without raising taxes a dime on anyone. But to do that, spending would have to be cut to the bone and government would have to get out of a lot of things they have no business being in anyways. And they would have to stop being the national charity for a country filled with bums who suck of the hard work of others.

  • hst

    “As Reagan said, ?We don?t have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem?.”

    But Reagan raised taxes when he needed to.

    Reagan raised taxes. Face it.

    Jesus Christ you people are living in a dream world.

  • hst

    Bleeding heart liberal?

    You sound like you need to put down the crack pipe friend.

  • jerry39

    With 50% more tax cuts than tax hikes. I don’t believe he ever advocated hikes, except perhaps the highway fund. Remember Reagan always opposed a democratic congress. He can blamed for tax hikes as much as Clinton can be credited for welfare reform.

    He only cut taxes and did not raise them during the economic crisis in his first few years. He did fall for a trade off to raise taxes in exchange for spending reductions, which the Democrats renniged on.

    Now spending is like what, triple what it was under Reagan? The tax rates for those who pay taxes are 5-10 points higher than he left them, and we are still in a recession – which I though Obama agreed just before the 2010 elections was not the time to raise taxes.

    Yes when you say “those who can afford it” and “paying for two wars” the way you did, it sounds very troll like. I’d practice sounding conservative a little more and try again.

  • rightwingmom52

    but I’m respectfully asking you to not take my Lord’s name in vain.

    I’m willing to bet there are others here besides me who consider such use a form of profanity which is against the rules. The acceptance and use of “Oh my God” and “OMG” and “Jesus” in today’s society has become so prevalent that many do not stop to consider how disrespect it is to Christians. As for me, I still cringe when I hear it or read it.

    I apologize for the off-topic comment and do not intend this to become a threadjack. Just had to get that off my chest as I’ve seen similar language popping up more often.

  • jerry39

    The use of Jesus’s name in that context was a giveaway as well.

  • rightwingmom52

    ..

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    The (respectful) Trolls have their Talking Points and are on the march — this was the same BS line parroted on Mark Levin tonight by a caller. (the New “Contract” = the “Contrast for America”)

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    What Republicans should be doing immediately in the House, rather than these BS talks

    • Bill to CUT DEPARTMENTAL PAYROLLS 10%
      As well as cutting their Budgets by 10% also, and NO they are not the same or mutually exclusive (but people who have never run a business may never understand the distinctions). The following Departments need their Payrolls (and Budgets) immediately ordered reduced by 10% as they’ve had far too much time (and too large of Staff) if they could meddle where they shouldn’t. EPA (Cap-And-TradeTax {Climate $cam} end around), FCC (Net Neutrality end around), HHS (Obamaocare and more), Education Dept. (No Politician’s relatives left behind Dept.), Dept. of Energy (it only takes one employee to stamp APPROVED or DENIED on Permits), Commerce, Labor (NRLB), Treasury, and on and on… Also, immediately reduce any/all amounts of ANY Department that has GRANT MONEY available by 20% minimum.
    • Essential Government Services Act
      This Bill MUST be designed/developed and passed BEFORE the next Budget, Debt Ceiling, etc… crisis comes along to REMOVE any Demoncrat demagoguing of the issues of what Government Services and Processes/Procedures remain in effect should (yeah right, when an eventual) GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN occur. No longer can the Democrats claim troops wouldn’t be paid, because payment to them would be assured under the Act. No longer would they claim Seniors wouldn’t get Social Security checks, because those being cut/sent would also be assured. Grossly reduced (say, 10% funding levels) to most Departments would be allowed to keep the Building lights on and Security Personnel to Guard them while their Staffs’ would be furloughed! What else would/should be defined in such an Act?!?!
    • True TAX REFORM
      Flat Tax reform or for those who favor the Fair Tax you need a Constitutional Amendment that Repeals Federal Govt. authority to levy an Income related Tax and replaces it with the Consumption Tax or we will land up with both just like Canada.
    • BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT
      Various organizations have discussed such language for decades, the different plans/approaches can/should be discussed and one chosen or many of them merged/modified to produce a reasonable Amendment.

    excerpt from: RWU: New “Contract” = “Contrast for America” / original here at RS: Contract with America (original, a part 2?).

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    What Republicans should be doing immediately in the House, rather than these BS talks

    • Bill to CUT DEPARTMENTAL PAYROLLS 10%
      As well as cutting their Budgets by 10% also, and NO they are not the same or mutually exclusive (but people who have never run a business may never understand the distinctions). The following Departments need their Payrolls (and Budgets) immediately ordered reduced by 10% as they’ve had far too much time (and too large of Staff) if they could meddle where they shouldn’t. EPA (Cap-And-TradeTax {Climate $cam} end around), FCC (Net Neutrality end around), HHS (Obamaocare and more), Education Dept. (No Politician’s relatives left behind Dept.), Dept. of Energy (it only takes one employee to stamp APPROVED or DENIED on Permits), Commerce, Labor (NRLB), Treasury, and on and on… Also, immediately reduce any/all amounts of ANY Department that has GRANT MONEY available by 20% minimum.
    • Essential Government Services Act
      This Bill MUST be designed/developed and passed BEFORE the next Budget, Debt Ceiling, etc… crisis comes along to REMOVE any Demoncrat demagoguing of the issues of what Government Services and Processes/Procedures remain in effect should (yeah right, when an eventual) GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN occur. No longer can the Democrats claim troops wouldn’t be paid, because payment to them would be assured under the Act. No longer would they claim Seniors wouldn’t get Social Security checks, because those being cut/sent would also be assured. Grossly reduced (say, 10% funding levels) to most Departments would be allowed to keep the Building lights on and Security Personnel to Guard them while their Staffs’ would be furloughed! What else would/should be defined in such an Act?!?!
    • True TAX REFORM
      Flat Tax reform or for those who favor the Fair Tax you need a Constitutional Amendment that Repeals Federal Govt. authority to levy an Income related Tax and replaces it with the Consumption Tax or we will land up with both just like Canada.
    • BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT
      Various organizations have discussed such language for decades, the different plans/approaches can/should be discussed and one chosen or many of them merged/modified to produce a reasonable Amendment.

    excerpt from: RWU: New “Contract” = “Contrast for America” / original here at RS: Contract with America (original, a part 2?).

  • Doc Holliday

    You don’t go to war based on budgets, if you do, you are a fool and should never lead men.

    We do NOT need to raise taxes, we need to find out how the government squandered the money we already gave them! Politicians expect the people to be stupid like you are, they expect people to forget the money they already poured down the last rat hole and give them more because they say it is for a really important reason, like the kids, or seniors. They expect us to be stupid, but only liberals like you fall for it.

    Are you are troll? my answer is yes.

  • Finrod

    You come onto a conservative website parroting the hard left’s lines about raising taxes and that the wars have caused the debt (clue for you: Obama’s worthless stimulus package blew through more money than the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined), and you wonder why we’re calling you a liberal troll?

    It’s because everything you’ve posted so far is out of their playbook.

    If you want to be treated like a conservative, then ACT LIKE ONE. Otherwise I’ll be applauding when your worthless ass gets banned.

  • rightwingmom52

  • powertothepeople

    to understand the simple phrase bleeding heart liberal? If you need some instruction as to what it means and how the definition fits the nonsense you have been spewing, ask.

    But then again with such a tired line such as “put down the crack pipe,” doubt you have the mental ability to process even the most simple of explanations.

  • Doc Holliday

    .

  • hibr

    :)

  • BigRedConservative

    You can match them so that for every dollar of tax rises there are four dollars of cuts. Only then.

  • JX12

    jacon4: “Better to live to fight another day in the ’12 election than to gamble all when you hold a losing hand.”

    They won’t live to fight another day (politically speaking, of course) if they cave on this. The Republican Party voting base simply will not stand for it. Best case, they’ll be primaried. Worst case, voters will bolt the Republican Party in droves to rally behind a third party (disastrously bad move, but many will do it anyway).

    Absolutely NOTHING good can come of a Republican Party cave on this issue. They either stand their ground or they’re finished politically – and we may be finished (or at least set back for generations) as a nation.

  • hst

    I’ll continue thinking for myself, thanks.

  • hst

    If you’re so easily offended by politically incorrect language then please don’t read my posts.

  • hst

    I’ve done nothing but express a reasonable opinion. I understand some here may not agree with it, but are you so thin-skinned that you must attempt to censor any POV that doesn’t fall directly in line with your own?

  • hst

    That is a completely reasonable position. My only point is that it is not unreasonable to ask the wealthiest among us to contribute to the solution, ALONG with making deep cuts.

    Adam Smith himself said “It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more in proportion.”

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    …you violated the profanity rule with the J- C- thing, which explicitly counts.

    But I’m in a good mood. You will now apologize for being uncouth – next post – and we’ll let it slide.

    Moe Lane

    “Sorry if you were offended” won’t cut it, sorry. I’m also afraid that any attempt to rationalize to, or whine at, me is contraindicated.

  • acat

    As in “Everyone pays”.

    No more free rides.

    FAIR TAX, as much as I dislike the prebate, and as dangerous as I think sales taxes can be, would actually *help* at the moment … that’s how screwed up things are.

    A situation where over 40% of the population pay 0% of the taxes is not sustainable. Like a doctor who charges on a sliding scale, even those at the bottom of the scale need to have *some* idea that government ain’t free.

    A 1% national sales tax on all goods *and services* excepting medical and food would be comparatively easy to implement (show me a good or service not currently covered by a sales tax in most states) and – if it requires a 2/3 majority vote to raise the rate, I’m willing to pay along.

    Mew

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    I just got cleared to not waste time. So, thanks for stopping by: we will now proceed to forget that you ever existed.

  • acat

    The way the U.S. system works, and this isn’t taught in schools either, more’s the pity, there’s no way for a third party to succeed on a national scale.

    Once any third party gets to about 5%-7% of the vote, one of the two major parties will co-opt the issue, and try to co-opt the voters.

    This is why Dems went even more “green” over the last decade or so, why they went “green” in the ’70s, why they went anti-war in the ’60s, etc. etc. etc.

    This is also why, every time there’s been a third party in the POTUS race who has made waves, the more closely aligned party has lost. John Anderson didn’t suck votes away from Reagan, he sucked votes away from Carter. Perot sucked votes away from Bush 1.0, not Clinton. Nader sucked votes away from Gore, not Bush 2.0…

    Go ahead and advocate for a third party. Just.. make sure the Dems are the ones who it will siphon votes from…

    Mew