is say I agree 100%. Wish I could do more.

While all we hear from the WH/Senate/MSM is “there is a gap between the mainstream GOP and the TeaThuglicans” there is NOBODY ever mentioning that a couple dozen of Reid’s Senators up for election in 2012 are telling him to agree to ANYTHING that will get this off the table, regardless of how much the Kos wing of the Dem Party hates it.

The GOP needs to recognize that this split keeps the pressure on the Democrats at least as much as the Tea Party is keeping the pressure on the mainstream Republicans.

Don’t let all these squishy RINO’s who want to take Boehner’s deal and cave to the Democrats get to you.

There are those here who agree 100% with you. I know because I’m one of them.

But you’re talking about a bill that can not pass. It has nothing to do with the merits and everything to do with politics.

The only two Dem senators who might get away with selling out their base – and remember, their base is public-sector employee unions, lawyers and lobbyists – are Nelson and Manchin, simply because they represent states which are considerably to the right of their positions. That means CCB has an absolute cap of 49 votes, and even that’s a bit pie-in-the-sky

What’s more, CCB provisions its ability to move forward on the passing of a balanced budget amendment. With a 67-vote threshold, it’s even more DOA in the Senate than CCB itself was.

20 Democrats will never vote for a BBA. Never. They’d amend the Constitution to outlaw abortion and make Christianity the official religion of the country before they’d consent to permanent limits on governmental spending. They can no more exist without that money than they can exist without oxygen.

Any position predicated on the passage of a BBA through this Congress is just ignoring reality.

It was one election. That we’ve even managed to shift the trajectory is a huge win – even if all we’ve done is slowed the spending. Limit the damage, get to 2012, then pass all the cuts and tax reform we want.

Lots of people are showing their true colors.

You’ve held the line, so you speak to our Reps with moral authority.

It is a rare, and beautiful thing to see uncompromising principle in action. Thanks again.

is not a compromise. In any compromise with the devil, the devil wins.

A balanced budget is obviously right. That is the whole concept of a budget. Anything else is not a budget.

Our Senate majority leader believes a budget would be foolish. Our President does not want a temporary increase in the debt ceiling. The logical alternative would be a permanent increase in the debt limit that suits what he thinks he can spend in his last 18 months.

We sent new representatives to the House to stop the spending and repeal Obamacare. As long as they hold to that, the Senate and President are rendered irrelevant.

What has changed with the Republicans dominating the house? How is America better off? Will we be on stronger fiscal footing?

What Erick said about how we got here is what the Republican leadership should be explaining to the American people with one voice.

Right now Cantor is on Hannity saying “we can’t do anything until Obama is out of office.”

B.S.

Thank you,

ColdWarrior

HOLD THE LINE RALLY

Wednesday, July 27 · 12:00pm – 2:00pm

Washington, DC – Upper Senate Park

The Tea Party Comes to Town for
HOLD THE LINE RALLY!
American’s don’t want a deal…
They want a solution!

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There can be no quibbling or vacillation, or else you will be no better than the RINOs and the Democrats we all know and deplore. Let us know what we can do to help you.

You cannot compromise on principle.

You have my full support.

Hold the line!

I have said it before and I will say it again. Boehner should resign. I heard him on Rush today and he sounded like an idiot. I listened to everything he promised and none of it will come true. He offers nothing but compromise when we cannot afford compromise. He does not offer any true leadership and he should be dismissed.

Hold the line like General Picket at Gettysburg. Let’s remember what happened…they held the line until the entire division was destroyed and the war was lost. You say the Dems were willing to lose their seats to get their liberal agenda through, but what you fail to mention is that they had the numbers, super majorities in both houses of Congress and a liberal President in the White House, so that it was all possible. GOP has only the House. Only 47 members in the Senate and Obama still in the White House. So General Picket Boehner can hold the line and get his army destroyed and still lose the vote, or take a tactical victory and live to fight another day, like U.S. Grant. I prefer the Grant strategy to Picket all day long. Down in Georgia you might be fond of Picket, but up here in the North we are more concerned about winning the war.

Just out, over at Hot Air. Carney gets hammered with “where’s the Obama plan?”

and thanked them for their support of CCB and told them to stand firm and they have my support all the way for standing their ground on this issue.

I have read so many opinions on this whole debt ceiling issue and have given it much thought and consideration. I agree with Erick wholeheartedly on this issue. The Republicans did pass a solution with CCB. They did their part. They compromised and they did what was best for the country. It’s not their problem that none of the Marxists in our government want to get behind it. If we pass another “compromise”, we’ll just be headed down the same road we’ve been on ever since Obama got elected. The road to ruin.
We have to take a stand somewhere. Did the liberals compromise during Obamacare??? Did they compromise during the stimulus?? NO! Because they would love nothing more than to ruin America and rebuild her in their utopian image. They are the ones destroying this country, not the other way around. If we default, it will be THEIR fault for not compromising and passing CCB.

As far as the media goes, they will always find a way to turn Republicans into the bad guys no matter what happens, so screw them. The American people aren’t stupid. They know what the media is up to. The ones who listen and believe their narrative are the ones most likely to vote for Obama to begin with.

We have to do the right thing. The right thing for America and our children. It may be tough, it won’t be fun, but most things that are necessary aren’t very much fun.

You were great today, substituting for Boortz; ‘on fire,’ as my husband put it. Our ‘leadership’ isn’t doing what it can to educate people on why its position (CC&B) is the right one; they should be having a full court press, including TV and radio commercials. How many people even realize that CC&B only lacks 4 votes to go to the floor?

I don’t even care anymore if we default. If the reason that we don’t default is some lame deal that puts us deeper in the hole, then we should default right now. It would give folks the incentive to fix the problems instead of doing this stupid political game, as if it’s 20 or 30 years ago. It’s not a game; our side should be fighting the war that it is.

Fla Mom

Once again, I say this with the most respect, but our side has fought tooth and nail and resisted attempts at everything from a clean debt increase to repealing the Bush era tax code.

To say that Republicans are wimping out is simply not true.

You are over playing how CCB is dead. It isnt just 4 votes – it is 4 Democrat votes. Democrat votes who are just as dedicated to “holding the line” and not allowing it a chance to see light of day.

This is why Conservatives (and Republicans) may be looking at what options are available.

I think you have a couple of points how the Boehner plan which need to be addressed – but I dont think you do it by derailing the process and handing Democrats as much leverage as they need to bare down and play the blame game.

The track which is presently being taken is taking the shape of exactly the way the media wants to portray us, the conservative movement, as hard-liners who would rather see the nation burn than compromise.

While it should be accurate that we want to pair government down, I cannot help but refer back to Reagan’s quote about getting 80% of what we want rather than going over the cliff waving our flag. There is a very good reason for that.

There is a time to fight and a time to govern. Now is a time to govern.

Again, that does not mean we take the low levels of TARP when we only had the Presidency and an economy on the brink (it should be noted that in negotiations we were able to strip out billions of dollars of pork).. but it does mean that we should take a common sense and reasonable approach.

What we should be focusing on, instead of charging in where angels fear to tread, is as follows:

-4T goal. Does any deal meet this goal in an effort to keep our AAA rating. If it does not, why? This must be a precondition of any deal, other wise problems are not solved.

-Committees: I really loathe the idea, REALLY. I have heard conflicting reports on this.. does it recommend policy which the Congress votes on or does it decide and pass on its own? I would ensure that their proposals report back to Congress for up or down vote.

Likewise, I would make sure that before any votes are delivered for ANY deal which involves some off the wall committee that there must be proper representation. That means it cant be full of squishies who want tax hikes.

-Re-upping the debt ceiling. Any re-upping of future debt ceiling must be tied to cuts passed by the Congress (presumably from the debt commission).

Our nation deserves solutions, not political rhetoric. This is not a zero sum game, especially since we only control the House.

I do not believe President Obama or Democrats want a deal. They’ve been pining for this scenario since last fall.

Erick, while you and other maintain that we will not go into default on Aug 2nd based on statistical analysis which I agree with, I believe that it is irresponsible to bring government to the brink.

I have never been involved in politics solely for a party or cause. I would much rather be thinking about my family and working where ever God calls me to be.

Unfortunately, this burden weighs on my heart greatly.

It was the TARP incident which turned the tide for Democrats (McCain was slightly ahead, I believe, just before the incident).. I am fearful, that as with TARP, we as a community may turn against ourselves again – when we need other the most.

I pray that we do not repeat history. If we do, it means we have learned nothing.

They’ve already released another more watered down bill which in effect concedes that CCB is dead. I suppose their hope would have been to keep pushing CCB altho they know that they would get hammered as being unreasonable (which they are being labelled regardless).

I think you’ll the Reid and Boehner split the difference on their 2 plans. Reid will get the longer extension in favor of some non-imaginary cuts that add up to 2.4 trillion. I feel like that is the pre-determined outcome. The president and democrats will still rail against the GOP as being hostage takers but the GOP will get their cuts and Obama will simultaneously criticize the GOP for being hostage takers while also taking credit for being a deficit hawk since he’ll have signed the bill.

So the next time the GOP calls him a big spender, he’ll say “I’ve signed the biggest spending cuts in government history!!” which will be technically true but he’ll leave out the part where he was dragged kicking and screaming. This is going to be just like the extension of the tax cuts in December. He got to be against it and take credit for it at the same time. He LOVES outcomes where he can simultaneously hold multiple (and contradictory) positions on an issue.

If we hold the line and demand the Senate pass CCB, even if it means a possible default and the media bruising the GOP will sustain if that occurs, which four Senate Democrats do you expect to play Judas to the Secular Liberal Messiah in the White House?

Name names.

Which four Democrats are lining up to be the most hated 4 Democrats in their own party? Which four Senate Democrats are lining up for the inevitable liberal primary challenger?

If you can’t give us four names of Senate Democrats that we could reasonably expect to vote for CCB, then your posturing is meaningless.

Or is it, as I expect, that you know dang well this will never happen and you’re simply angling toward a situation where this is no plan and Obama has to raise the debt ceiling unilaterally?

If that be the case, you very well may get your wish, because I think it is increasingly likely.

against the Boehner plan. I guess politics does make interesting bedfellows.

Let’s deconstruct the arguments of all those who think compromise is the way to go, shall we?

1. CCB won’t pass the Senate.
There are a number of moves to get CCB passed on its own merits in the Senate. They haven’t been tried. Try to get it passed on its own and send BBA up separately. Amend it slightly. Pass it in pieces. First cut, then cap, then balance. Try. Fight.

2. Boehner’s Plan is the only one that will pass the House and the Senate.
Wrong and wrong. With the GOP spit and only a few Dems willing to vote for it, it may not pass the House; the GOP gets blamed for “default” and the credit rating drop. The WH has said BO will veto it, so the Senate Dems have no incentive to pass it.

3. The US “defaults” if the debt ceiling isn’t raised.
Wrong again. BO is even “secretly” reassuring bank execs that the US isn’t in danger of a default. Shhhh! Don’t tell those Republican lawmakers though!

4. This is the best we deal we can get.
Now, this is just ridiculous. Several better deals have already been passed. Modifying one of those slightly would be WAY better than this deal and this is the BEST we can do? Don’t think so. Try. Fight.

Get a grip, people.

If the August 2 deadline is real, it is now too late for any compromise to become law without the Dear Leader’s autograph. Regardless of what eventually escapes Congress, Comrade Obama will actually have to make a decision. That’s one for the books.

Too bad you’re not Speaker of the House. I don’t know what it takes for some people to finally get their belly full of all the BS and draw a damn line in the sand. And once you draw that line, don’t erase it and draw another one. All that does is confirm that someone can be bullied a little and they’ll retreat every time. All we get by compromising is giving the Dems the upper hand, and they are masters at it. They don’t care what the majority of the American people want or do not want (i.e., Obamacare, more stimulus). It’s all about what Dems want as they transform America into their own vision.

America’s financial back is already against the wall. Just how much further back can we draw that line.

the press will hail Obama as “The Great Leader” and the GOP will be left holding the bag. Compromise, don’t compromise, it doesn’t matter. As far as the media is concerned the story is already written, Obama is the hero, GOP are the villians, details to come. For those who are saying we should compromise to avoid the GOP being blamed for default, failure, whatever, you’re kidding yourselves. If all goes well, Obama gets the credit. If it all goes to hell, GOP gets the blame. That’s the template-deal with it.
The only option is to stand on principle. Win or lose, take a stand.

I, like you, am disgusted with the leadership of the GOP on the spending and debt issues. Boehner and McConnell have made it crystal clear that reducing the size of government is not something that they’re interested in. So, until they’re replaced, things don’t look real promising for downsizing the government.

However, if there is a conservative majority in the house who will stand firm, they do have the power to stop increasing the debt limit. They don’t have to worry about coming up with something that the Senate and Obummer agree to. Just don’t pass an increase in the debt ceiling. They hold all the cards. Nothing gets done without the house’s approval. It’s as if the Constitution has granted the House of Representatives a veto over the Senate and Executive branches. And now is the time to exercise that veto.

Make the Senate at least pass or attempt to pass a bill.

Boehner is acting like he has no influence, when in fact he holds all the cards, but wants to fold them in order to get a deal that the Senate and Obummer will agree to. Disgusting!!!!

Thank you again, Erick, for providing strong leadership. What we need now are Grants, and Shermans. . We have never won a war by compromising; and make no mistake; this is a war, and we are now engaged. Stay on the offensive!

This is a fight for our great Republic, and it is time to stand firm. Stand firm, you new Republicans in Congress; just like the 101st Airborne Division at Bastogne.

We are standing with you now; will stand with you in the next election; and we will send you reinforcements. Do not waver or move. Hold the line at all costs. We worked tirelessly to elect you, and we sent you there to stop this President at all costs. Do not move; and like Marines, keep atttacking!

Three reasons.

1) Ken Buck.

2) Christine O’Donnell.

3) Sharron Angle.

We blew our chance of capturing the Senate, and we blew it big-time. Look closely. Nancy Pelosi is nowhere to be found in these negotiations. If Harry Reid were also gone, we would have whipped this president silly months ago.

Sadly, not even RedState, who should know better, is interested in winning anything past the next election.

Everybody said that Walker couldn’t see those budget cuts to the end, and the Democrats in Wisconsin were predicting Armageddon. Just the opposite has happened.

Republicans should hold the line.

We sent them there to hold the line! And put a stop to the Obama agenda. That is a must do. Hold the line….

And in the meantime for a little levity…

Obama finally submitted his plan…we need to reduce the number of states from 57 to 50.

You are doing great.

Of course we all know eventually we have to “give” the left something to get it through the senate but we control the conversation because THEY are the ones who WANT to spend.

There is of course no reason to give them one more dime in spending than absolutely necessary. THAT is the BEST deal we can get and it should involve a prioritization bill at least. Given that we can then force a BBA in six months.

You are right, this isn’t a game, the future of the Republic hangs in the balance.

Keep up the fight.

…in here knows. I agree with you 100% Erick. And i’ve spent the past week putting my money (and time) where my mouth is.

NO COMPROMISE!

I would call a press conference and announce that they’ve come up with about four or five plans already and that the only plans the Dems have come up with are more spending, more taxes and more lies about cuts. I would say that the ONLY bill on the table is cut, cap & balance. Vote on it and sign it or default. At this point, default doesn’t look so bad to me. 40% cuts is fine by me.

When the Confederate Army was getting the hell beat out of it on Henry House Hill at First Manassas, Confederate General Bee said “There is Jackson standing like a stone wall. Let us determine to die here, and we will conquer. Rally behind the Virginians.”

I am one American, shoulder to shoulder, with you, sir! I wish I could do more. We need to hold the line.

this President from dismantling our country. They have sufficient power in the House to hold the line. If the President wants to default, let him. Yes, I will risk it. Sometimes you need to risk everything, because you are right; and we are right in holding the line now.

The President will retreat, when he is made to realize we will never waver. He keeps thinking that we will waver. It is time to deliver a different message. We sent the new House members to hold the line, and to do it now. Tell Reid to bring up CCB for another vote in the Senate; and that there is nothing else to talk about. This nation is divided; we are in a civil war; and compromise leads to more failure.

Let’s see how much courage the Democrats have for a change. Let’s see how many Democrats in the Senate will risk default and their own elections. Let’s see if Ben Nelson, and McCaskill have the courage of their convictions to let the country default by maintaining their votes against CCB. Send them a balanced budget amendment, and let’s see them ignore it. There are plenty of things Republicans can do to attack in this fight. The people of this nation are behind CCB and the BBA. Put the pressure on the Democrats and the President. Send them bill after bill, after bill.

Republicans need to get back on the offensive, and stay there!

That comes up a lot.
Believe me, a lot of people have died on a lot of hills, and they are heros. At least the ones that died on our hills.
So… if we lost every single conservative congressman, but won a balanced budget and blocked the debt ceiling hike…Obama wins the election..
Would it have been worth it?
I think it would save the country.

n/t

“Keep fighting the good fight Erick, I am with you.

Erick, you are not alone in your frustration

I have a feeling there are many more RedState readers who support your position than don’t.

We MUST nominate a real conservative for 2012. Moderates get us nowhere.”

As a recommended diary has noted, I believe we should pass the Krauthammer plan, then go home. Let the Democrats twist in the wind and let Obama veto it. It solves the problem.

I have never seen such a strong political hand misplayed so poorly. I am so d*mn tired of the same Wall Street jerk offs who nearly brought us to ruin three years ago offering advice on what to do now. They can all go straight to hell, and if they want any food they can catch it or kill it like I am prepared to do. I am sick of people who should know better who are listening to Wall Street and trembling in fear of a President and a Senate leader who are as stupid as the day is long.

If we had a leader who could put two sentences together, here is what they should say every time a microphone is put in its place:

1) Democrats spent us into this mess, and there is more to come with Obama Care.
2) The House passed a bill that solves the problem.
3) The Democrat led Senate hasn’t passed a budget in 2 1/2 years, so if they are unable to tie their shoes on this issue, don’t blame us.
4) Barack Obama is in over his head and always has been. He barely even knows what the issue is. He is most helpful when he is out playing golf.
5) We are going home to try and explain to our constituents that this is what happens when Democrats are in control of anything.
6) Good night.

Keep it up, Erick.

I am picturing Erick as Gandalf here:

He may get yanked down into the abyss by the glowing whip of the Democrite party, but he will come back even more powerful in the end and he/we will be victorious over the party of Obama/Sauron and the Democrats/Orcs in the Senate and House

you are already called them, then call your friends and ask them to call them. Allen West signed on to Boehner’s debt deal. I hope you all in his district will let him know that we didn’t help elect him and others to compromise in this fight.

Boehner’s deal only has promised cuts – nothing now that is of any real consequence. Compromising for nothing of value must end.

Hey, the heat is on. Rewarm CutCapBalance and resend to HarryReid. It raises debt ceiling like they want to do. Change something around in it to make it new. Send it again!