Punt

clintonformccain

“Unfortunately, sources who have spoken to Standards & Poor tell CNN?s Erin Burnett that John Boehner?s plan ? the one Allen West and others are lining up to support ? would cause the U.S. to lose its AAA credit rating.”

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Let me guess? The “source” was David Axelrod? David Plouffe? Jay Carney? Valerie Jarrett.

C’mon. We are more sophisticated about the ways of Washington than to fall for every chicken little “factoid” from an unnamed source given to CNN or the New York Times. Especially when the “factoid” from an unnamed source just practially quotes verbatim an admininistration talking point. Does the name Journolister ring a bell?

clintonformccain

That the Republican House was going to annul Obamacare and shutter the Department of Education with Harry Reid as Senate Majority Leader and Barack Obama as President?

If the goal is instituting sweeping reform (and I think it should be), then the time to think about that is before nominating crackpot candidates in Senate races in states like Nevada and Delaware.

atlasshrugs

Erick for keeping the pressure on the GOP’s political establishment.

runner12

Please tell me that there are some House GOP members who will not go along with this.

tippycanoe

In the end, if we can get this to come up again during campaign season, and not give Obama what he wants most of all, that it not come up during campaign season, I will be happy, at least not so depressed. We’ve got to seize more control of government to get more of what we need to survive. The momentum appears on our side.

kajun65

Capitulate, Carnage & Bray!

jeffreywturner

Let’s be realistic here, no sweeping reform was going to happen before January 2013 anyway, no matter how many Senate races we won in 2010.

So, 2010 was not 4th & goal for us, it was 3rd & goal. We got about half of what we needed, and we need to get those last few yards in 2012.

Repair_Man_Jack

A stand-up comedian!

kajun65

for Cut, Cap & Balance, but our representatives lost the game.

It actual is laughable!

Whacker77

We all feel your pain Erick, but it was always unrealistic to think John Boehner was ever going to be able to force the White House and Senate to do what he wanted. It just wasn’t realistic. Republicans hold just one House of Congress, not two as was the case in the 1990′s.

I strongly disagree with the course Boehner has charted, I think he should be out as Speaker because he keeps going back to the grand bargain. He started with a strong position an weaken it the whole way.

Regardless, the only person talking about taxes anymore is Obama. We’ve won that debate. Reid is basically saying now taxes either. I know the spending cuts are gimmicks, but no Congress was ever going to be bound by what was done in this debate.

We’ve accomplished a lot politically this past month. Obama’s approval is falling to 45% and will likely go lower. We’ve also got our issues in the spotlight. Defeating Obama is the goal. Then we can do the things we would like to see happen.

Repair_Man_Jack

When Mein Obama implicitely threatened the SS checks, he lost his credibility as a defender of the poor and downtrodden.

miconservative

We are going to cut spending by more than a trillion dollars, we are going to get enforceable discretionary caps, we are going to get votes in both houses of congress on the BBA, we are going to have ZERO tax increases, and we are going to force this special committee to report about trillions more in cuts for the debt limit to be increased again….and somehow Erik believes this is some huge sellout? And we are going to get all of this with a Democrat Senate run by Harry Reid and Barak Obama in the White House. If that is losing I hope we continue this terrible losing streak.

Paul Seale

For CCB and Repeal of Obamacare to get a real fighting chance Republicans had to have a majority in both houses – and the presidency.

In 2010 we got the House, but fell short in the senate because of a couple of bad candidates and failed to understand and use the “Buckley” rule regarding electability.

Had we at least taken the senate, CCB would not be dead and would at least force Democrats to fillibuster the legislation.

Such is the state we live in.

To declare this past session a failure is just not true. Period.

With that said, we should not be suckered into bad deals.

The CR wasnt what it was advertised (Obama admin used troop payments to leverage pressure and then lied about what was being cut).

If we get 80% of what we want (the Reagan rule of thumb) with only only the House of Representatives in control and keep the debate on policy and solutions (not mediscare like dems want) – we should be okay.

Of course is if we stay united and decide not to try and knife each other in the primary process.. (I still think some like Lugar need to be primaried, btw)

inovrmihd

I am not thrilled with having to read the Huffington Post, but the quotes are what is important

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/25/john-boehner-debt-ceiling-plan_n_909276.html

charlesmartel

is that there’s no reason to believe any of what you cite is actually going to happen. There’s no way spending gets cut by $1 trillion. No way. And that’s the most easily measurable/verifiable benefit. The rest is so vague and meaningless that it’ll be forgotten in a few months.

luvnthebigsites

In the flurry of this fight sometimes the best of us forget to step back and give thanks to front line soldiers like Erick Erickson.

Thank You Erick, you are a gentleman and a scholar. /Salute.

clintonformccain

C’mom guys. The Erin Burnett quotes on CNN are a joke. Journolister joke:

“I think it is important to emphasize that most people think both of the plans are really Band-Aids and don’t deal in any significant way with the spending and cost issues in the country,” Burnett said. “The issue was that Speaker Boehner’s plan does not cut enough spending right away. Harry Reid’s plan would cut about $2.7 trillion. Just because it is bigger than Speaker Boehner’s plan is really the reason the Boehner plan may still trigger a downgrade.”‘

Oh really, The smoke and mirrors Reid plan is serious cost cutting, but the Boehner plan is not? Seriously. Can you say, Democratic talking point?

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“Really interesting this afternoon, when I was talking to an investor who had met with the ratings agencies at Standard & Poor, talking about the potential of a downgrade — which by the way could raise interest rates the same way a potential default could — and they said the Boehner plan probably wouldn’t hit the hurdle to prevent a downgrade,” she added. “Even if that deal was reached, you could still get a downgrade. It is unclear whether that would happen for sure, but that would be a real possibility. Whereas the Reid plan, even though a lot of the parts of that are seen by many as gimmicks, probably would pass that hurdle and you wouldn’t get that immediate downgrade. That’s an interesting distinction.”

Wow! An “investor”. Now that’s a source. Let me guess? Valerie Jarrett? Some other admin lackey? And, not only did they just happen to talk to S&P, but, what a coincidence, they also spent the afteroon calling reporters at places like CNN.

C’mon guys. We can see thru this spin. Sheesh.

Matt In The Hook

The House blocked any thought of passing card check and cap ‘n’ tax.

The House passed a repeal of Obamacare. It died in the Senate. There’s no way to force a vote on it no matter how much we want it and there’s absolutely no freaking way Obama signs legislation repealing what he thinks is his signature win and his moment in history.

The House prevented Obama from getting a clean debt ceiling raise and won the public debate over the budget so well that Obama’s original plan lost 97-0 in the Senate.

How are these not victories? Obama threatened to veto anything short term and now he’s backing off after Boehner, Cantor and Co. called his bluff on that.

Bottom line is that I personally think that Erick believes the Senate and Obama will cave on CCB simply because they are liberals and liberals are weak by nature. I tend to disagree. I know plenty of ardent liberals who believe in their cause as much as we do here. They’ve played the incremental game very well for decades and now we have to do the same. Hell, the fact that we can get an incremental victory and not just a stalemate while controlling only one of three levers of power is pretty darn good. We should take it and keep the pressure on this issue, coupling it with the employment problem, for the rest of Obama’s term.

steve010

communications person says that depression coming because of house republicans. This CP is devoid of any business or free market experience and does not have a degree in economics.

ghostship

I’m so sick and tired of the old excuse that we Conservatives can’t have this or that because of the WH or Senate. For once I would like it if the Leftists couldn’t get their stuff passed because of a Republican House.

Why, oh why, do so many Republicans let the Democrats set the standard of is acceptable or not acceptable? Why? It’s because so many Republicans are too craven to take a stand on something and fight. I guess it’s a lot easier too make excuses for why the republicans can’t win. If we had the WH or Senate you all would be complaining that we don’t have a super majority. If we had that then you all would complain that we don’t have the courts.

Excuses. Excuses. Excuses. I’m sick of hearing them from so many Republicans. Excuses are for losers and it’s no wonder that is what the current Republican party is!

Matt In The Hook

Saying getting downgraded to AA+ from AAA or the equivalent for a number of other agencies, is worse than a selected default is totally asinine. Selected default has its own rating “SD” which is functionally equivalent of “D” for default, only it tends to be short term. But good luck getting AAA back quickly after SD.

In truth, the agencies were unlikely to do anything for several years before we started this fight. The reason the ratings watch and downgrade threats have come is because the agencies are finally realizing Washington is totally dysfunctional. Pretty late to the game on that but then again these are the same folks that kept many MBS rated AAA even as Lehman was collapsing.

Whatever. Japan has proven that the agency ratings don’t matter if the market disregards them. And while I think interest rates are inevitably going higher I can see plenty of scenarios where the market laughs off the agencies and we become Japan in that regard. That would be good and keep rates plenty low; we just need to figure out a way to return to growth after our crash, something Japan has failed to do for almost 20 years now.

Matt In The Hook

Liberals wanted card check, cap and tax and amnesty. Those are dead and buried.

Obama’s originally budget was destroyed in a Senate vote.

Seriously, how are those not wins?

gawken

Let’s just put this in context, shall we..

In 2008 the country, for a multitude of reasons, gave the Democrats complete control of the government.

It took them less than a year to run the economy into the toilet, and institute major policies changes against the will of most Americans.

The people woke up, realized what they’d done, and in a huge electoral tide, gave the House back to the GOP

We came close to giving the GOP the Senate.

Next year, in 2012, the GOP will control the Senate,. It will keep the House, likely increase the majority.

We have a good chance of winnign the WH.

So what do we do, now..we try to cut a deal with Obama and the Dems that they can live with. WHY???

kajun65

for our poor legislative bodies. These poor people are suffering from “Sir Lancelot Syndrome”. Translation = Second to None, Bested by All. Really this is a scary scenario. It almost always leads to Skitsofrenia. Just look at our Representatives actions for about 20 years. We need to stop the suffering ASAP.

medamorphus

Erick-

Of course this is disappointing, but why do we accept the premise that the GOP should get the blame for this? Why do we never push back when it is clearly not our fault? Didn’t the House pass Cut, Cap and Balance? Isn’t it the Democratic Senate who killed the bill that would avert a credit downgrade? Why do we accept the narrative that it’s the GOP’s fault? Whose spending spree put us in this situation in the first place? We need to work to control the debate on these issues and push back on the narrative from the MSM. The message should be we’re fighting back with all we can against the current Democrat Senate and President, but we need more help in 2012 to really change things. You know, the truth.

Thanks for all you do!

Tbone

and for the majority of voters that is all they will hear.

bk

They could pass the Reid plan and a downgrade would be blamed on the uncertainty created by Republicans stretching it out for political game-playing.

silentcal2012

Actually, Barbour and Laura Ingraham. Barbour was on Ingraham’s show and both urged conservatives to support Boehner. The knee-capping of House GOP leaders is self-destructive, and its being done for impossible goals.

Ingraham, supporting Barbour, said “Don’t stab your guy in the back.”

As Allan West said yesterday:

?You know, son, one thing they tell you in the military ? if you sit around and wait to come up with the 100 percent plan, then the enemy has probably already attacked you,?

sarg01

The best arrow in our quiver for 2012 is the Obama economy, just as the Bush economy was the best one for Obama in 2008.

People still blame both Bush and Obama for the mess. People need a reason to believe Rs are going to be different this time around if we’re going to get the wave election we need to stop Obamacare.

The media is hostile. If we give them any ammunition to suggest that Obama failed because of Republican opposition, I guarantee you they use it. That’s exactly what the Obama team is angling for – “We can’t be held responsible. Our policies would have got us out of the Bush mess if the Republicans hadn’t crashed the economy last year.”

Sure, it’s weak. Sure, it’s untrue. It probably won’t even be enough to save Obama – though that might be arguable. What it probably will do is blunt the wave we need.

In that scenario, we NEVER get CCB. We never repeal Obamacare. We’re Greece in a decade.

If we don’t hand Obama any usable excuses for the economy, we get our wave election. With a reasonable President and control of the Senate, we can pass any CCB we want in 2013. A big enough Senate win and we might even have a shot at a Balanced Budget Amendment!

http://www.skiloveland.com skicougar

as soon as commission was mentioned, I figured all efforts would amount to nothing.

my only question was if there would be tax increases.

Obama and the Dems will let the debt crisis happen before theyre letting anyone lay a finger on obamacare. only way thats going to change is 2012.

a month of smoke and fire amounts to nothing. we’re going to need a lot more Pauls and Bachmans in congress.

http://www.skiloveland.com skicougar

as soon as commission was mentioned, I figured all efforts would amount to nothing.

my only question was if there would be tax increases.

Obama and the Dems will let the debt crisis happen before theyre letting anyone lay a finger on obamacare. only way thats going to change is 2012.

a month of smoke and fire amounts to nothing. we’re going to need a lot more Pauls and Bachmans in congress.

avgjo

Obama was race baiting with La Raza very recently. Did you miss that?

Check out the antics of SEIU and NLRB if you think card check is dead.

The brave GOP still hasn’t passed a repeal of the lightbulb ban. You think that doesn’t embolden cap and tax idiots?

Don’t count this stuff out. It’s like assuming a poisonous snake is dead. You don’t. Or you get bitten.

avgjo

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Viator

I caught Senator Rand Paul talking on the radio this morning and he pointed out an important fact. We all must remember that any cuts mentioned by the President or congressional leaders are taken from a baseline budget. Now we plain speaking folks think a cut is a cut. You cut $3 from an amount and you end up with $3 less, right? Not in Washington, DC. The baseline budget being used in Washington, DC as we speak calls for +$10 trillion increase over ten years. So the if the Boehner plan, for instance, calls for $3 trillion in cuts what we actually talking about is cutting $3 trillion from a $10 trillion increase. Or, putting it another way, they are cutting a $10 trillion increase to a $7 trillion increase. So a $3 trillion cut is actually a $7 trillion increase.

http://paul.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=258

charlesmartel

It’s only hibernating. The only way to end the threat is to win elections and keep winning them.

acat

who said “we’ve been called racist so often it shouldn’t bother us anymore” …

We’ve been blamed for the economy so often it shouldn’t bother us anymore.

I wrote another three paragraphs, but deleted them in deference to the “no profanity” guidelines. There are not unprofane words with enough bite to describe how pissed off I am at the …

Going for a walk. Need to stock up on canned veggies and dried beans while I still can.

Mew

johnconradarens

Mike Castle would be right up there in the thick of things, aligning himself with JIm DeMint. He’d be yelling from the moutaintops we needed to repeal Obamacare. Yessiree bob…

What will it take to convince folks like you that Mike Castle is now, and always has been, A LIBERAL. We have them in the Republican party, too, you know.

And Danny Tarkanian would have been a standout, too, no doubt.

silentcal2012

Fred Thompson tells the GOP to celebrate – we are winning.

sarg01

CCB was tabled by the Majority Leader, with a 4 vote margin, over unanimous Republican opposition. It’s not too hard to see Castle joining a unanimous opposition. And it’s downright impossible to see him supporting Reid over McConnell for Majority Leader.

Since 2009, the worst Republican has shown themselves to be significantly better for the country than the best Democrat.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

They never ‘lose’ they just win a portion and then ask for more. I recall a big bill that was passed and Sen Kennedy came out and called it a ‘start’. That’s how they think. The ratchet effect of getting a win that never gets reversed is how liberalism has operated.

We have a LOT we want done:
1. Cap spending to 18% or less of GDP.
2. Cut spending now, cut spending later.
3. Repeal Obamacare
4. Eliminate Big Government agencies, their regulations, and their powers.
5. Protect the taxpayers with taxpayer reforms
6. Flatter, fairer tax system
7. Reform entitlement system

All of this can and will need to be done incrementally. Its the only way.

Whatever is passed this week, it will NEVER be the end … just a start. Lets keep the ratchet going.

marshmom

Sessions On The President?s Call For A ?Balanced? Approach On Debt

WASHINGTON?U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL), Ranking Member of the Senate Budget Committee, issued the following statement today in response to President Obama?s repeated call for a ?balanced? approach to dealing with the nation?s looming debt crisis:

?The president has repeatedly called for a ?balanced? approach to reducing our deficit. But there?s nothing ?balanced? about an approach that couples weak spending cuts with dramatic tax hikes. There?s nothing balanced about the president?s budget, which hikes both spending and taxes. And there?s nothing balanced about a federal government that spends almost twice what it did just ten years ago?consuming one-fourth of the economy and growing every year.

A real balanced approach is one that shifts the balance of power from Washington back to the American people. We need a budget plan that achieves this fundamental goal.?
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He has detested this “compromise” from day one and has done nothing but advocated for CCB and campaigns daily for it on Facebook. My representative also consistently votes conservatively and stands by CCB. If only they all did.

funwithknives

just like a bad GODZIRRA movie. “Just when You Thought He was Gone”…. There will always be those who wish to dominate, by WhatEver means needed (or perceived). We Back Off and get Thumped. Time to Start Mega-Vitamins, it looks like a long trip.

silentcal2012

Heaping praise on GOP leaders:

“As someone who understands the pressures and difficulties you have been going through, I want to say, ?Congratulations.? You won, and so did the country…”

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/272744/open-letter-gop-fred-thompson

jphamlore

The problem I have with the invective against House Speaker Boehner and his plans is that that is not the battle that will be fought.

After last weekend’s rejection of a compromise plan between some Democrats and Republicans and after the President’s address last night when President Obama went out of his way to inflame passions not cool them, it should be plain Obama has planned all along to force a financial crisis that he believes will give him the upper hand to demand tax increases and break the Tea Party. Whatever Boehner says, one can be sure the goal posts will be moved just far enough so no agreement will be possible not just by August 2 but by August 9 and beyond until the markets do react, badly.

We may know the Democrats are delusional to think they can cope with interest rate increases by having the government socialize student loans, mortgages, and loans/grants to favored businesses. We may know the government cannot just print money to pay all of the government pensions and entitlements without risking catastrophic hyperinflation.

The problem is the other side might not know, or care. They might be so ensconced in their own bubble of beliefs that any outcome including an Argentina situation where the government simply nationalizes private retirement savings may be acceptable collateral damage.

The assumption appears to be that at the last minute at least one side or maybe both will start to get the phone calls from the man behind the curtain to settle things. That assumption seems risky considering the assertion that Obama has thrown everyone under the bus for political purposes. Even the left-leaning press is saying that Obama is losing interest from major portions of the Democrats’ base.

Obama’s consistent claim is that he started being reasonable, willing to listen and compromise, but that Republican intransigence has prevented measures that most of the country would agree to. The interpretation favored on this website of Obama’s retreats appears to be he is weak because he is a leftist; therefore in a true crisis he will surrender if the House Representatives just show enough unity. Oddly this depends on assuming Obama at the last minute will rationally see things as we see.

What if the current situation corresponds to an operator who doesn’t understand a nuclear reactor performing experiments. What if Obama is simply following the most basic political playbook of emulating what seemed to work for Clinton and doing the opposite of what didn’t, with no idea what to do if things go wrong. What if there is no man behind the curtain.

Marcus_Traianus

He and his party manufactured this crisis, the latter being Obama’s sine qua non to subjugate democratic, constitutional processes.

I am simply curious what extra-constitutional moves he is prepared to undertake this time in absence of legislation?

rightwingmom52

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Marcus_Traianus

But perhaps not this time.

Republicans typically take a back seat and don’t speak loudly or often enough during these engagements. But so far, this seems somewhat different.

Boehner, et al have been kept a drumbeat of very public announcements, including a direct challenge to the President. If he has the stamina to continue that process going it will be very beneficial to our cause.

Add to that, the very real, well articulated political artifacts;
- Obama and Democrats created this crisis by spending record amounts of money, in a terrible economic climate and ignoring the potential ramifications

- The Democratic controlled Senate has not presented a budget in over two years

- The President’s budget was resoundingly rejected in a bipartisan way. It had monumental, profligate spending and displayed the President had zero concern about this present debt situation. IT makes many of his recent comments appear disingenuous and political- which is the impression our public is walking away from this issue with. Even his base is abandoning him in droves.

The problem is if we keep eating our young, we will be blamed. We are providing way too much fodder for the other side to use against us.

rightwingmom52

It’s the tough, chewy, dried-out, old meat (McConnell) that I can’t stomach no matter how much sauce we try to cover it up with.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

Whatever they come up can be criticized for not going far enough or doing enough. This plan punts a few items, but a punt does give the opportunity to press the point further later.

The BBA vote gives us a real crack at getting a BBA passed and/or getting Democrats on record. In the commisison, we get Cut Cap and Balance to push there. We get to put Obamacare repeal on the table.

Also, the Boehner spending caps are causing heartburn. Well, they are caps. Caps means a ceiling.
We need to get the budget writers to write the budget on the basis of the original House plan, with about $40 billion lower in discretionary, go well under those caps AND to use that savings as a part of the debt increase extension AND to fight for it in the FY2012 CR.

In other words, it aint over. Is this a punt, or is it a ‘field goal’ where we put a few points on the board, and get ready to put more on later? I think the latter.

benko

“What if the current situation corresponds to an operator who doesn?t understand a nuclear reactor performing experiments”

What if the operator knows all too (to?) well what he is doing and is doing it on purpose?

cwilson

…even the RINOs are now fearful — they see a motivated conservative base and Tea Party movement that has DEMONSTRATED a willingness to accept the loss of a seat, in a fight to replace an insufficiently conservative “Republican”.

I think the DE, AK, and NV races were a useful object lesson to the weak-livered fakers and self-proclaimed mavericks like the Maine Twins, Graham, and yes, McCain. Without that object lesson, I doubt a larger R contingent in the senate, or even a majority, would have been able to hold together in these fights as moderately well as they appear to have done, so far.

So yes, “Since 2009, the worst Republican has shown themselves to be significantly better for the country than the best Democrat.” — because since 2009, that “worst Republican” is scared to death of a motivated, informed, and outraged electorate with a demonstrated willingness to remove him from his sinecure no matter the cost, if he doesn’t toe the line.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

Well said.

We are in an endgame here where we could have a reasonably good debt ceiling increase, one that gives us what we wanted – spending cuts for debt ceiling increase – and gives Obama what he demands.

Yet Obama has threatened to veto it.

If wee dont get the Boehner plan through the House, it will be the Reid bill or default and the Republicans – by failing to pass the Boehner OR Reid plan, would be the fall guy for default. THAT IS WHAT OBAMA WANTED ALL ALONG!

It would play into the Obama narrative that he has been setting up.

On the other hand, a fait accompli bill, passes both Houses and gets on the President’s desk.

Will he veto the will of the Congress and shut down the Government? For *what* exactly? Tax hikes?!?

Politically, this would be a huge win for the Republicans, being able to set the agenda with only one House of Congress.

Marcus_Traianus

McConnell most certainly has to go and one can make a pretty good case that Boehner should be out of the leadership next Congress.

But I believe we need to be realistic regarding what can actually be passed- and what the ramifications of not passing anything may be.

I suspect those freshman you reference are going through this thought process now. No sympathy, since that is what they signed up for. But it can’t be easy as the choices are very limited.

That doesn’t mean we should surrender or compromise our principles. But is also does not mean we will not negotiate the best solution possible.

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

“We just have to win more elections.”

Doh!

That’s the “what.”

Saying it, alone, isn’t going to make it happen.

It’s the “how” that’s the hard part.

We conservatives will start winning more elections when we start getting involved in our communities in the actual, nuts and bolts, rubber-meets the road form of politics called party politics. That happens at your local Republican Party committee meeting. Ever been to yours? There’s probably plenty of vacancies — about half of the 400,000 or so Republican Party precinct committeeman slots nationwide are vacant. Where I live, in Maricopa County, AZ, “Goldwater Country,” when I joined the Party as an appointed precinct committeeman, only 31 per cent of the PC slots were filled. Now we’re up to almost 50 per cent — 3,370 of the 6,754 slots are now filled, and almost all of the new PCs are conservatives. That’s why we’ve got a solidly conservative county committee, a conservative county chairman, and a conservative state chairman.

By filling up all those vacant precinct committeeman slots, conservatives have a much better chance of helping Constitutional conservatives win the all-important, traditionally-very-low-turnout primary elections. Bob Bennett is now the former senator from Utah and Mike Lee is in his place in the Senate because thousands of grass roots conservative “tea partiers” and 9.12-ers figured this out in Utah.

Want to help elect more Constitutional conservatives in 2012? Then, please, get to your local Party committee meeting ASAP and find out how to become a ball player in the real ball game of politics. If you don’t fill a slot, maybe a RINO will fill it.

Don’t get mad, get even. Be part of the “how.”

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

“The knee-capping of House GOP leaders is self-destructive, and its being done for impossible goals.”

Well stated.

None of those pushing a harder line have actually made the convincing case that holding that harder line would actually lead to victory vs Reid and Obama, right here and right now. Rather, it seems destined to lead to a default where the Republicans would get blamed for being too uncompromising. the risk is that Democrats/Pelosi plus 30 RINO weaklings in the House could pass a weak weak bill and get a Senate vote along with that. That could happen in the pressure cooker of a default situation. So we end up with less as a result of taking the uncompromising stance.

?You know, son, one thing they tell you in the military ? if you sit around and wait to come up with the 100 percent plan, then the enemy has probably already attacked you,?
- Great Rep West quote.

It is said: The Good is the Enemy of the Best. I have said in this debate that we need to be firm but not brittle. We need to take what we can here, and resolve to keep pushing further and more in the next battle ….
Get this over with so we can fight on better terrain – Federal Government FY 2012 CR, budget and appropriations.

fpete13527

I just listened to Boehner call into Rush and specifically speak his plan. Every aspect of the worthlessness and sellout that the Boehner plan is was completely confirmed.

Boehner plan
1. It guarantees Obama $1+ Trillion debt increase immediately
2. It cuts nothing but a few $Billion this year
3. It sets up a Commission that “MAY” cut $1 Trillion over the next 10 plus years and there is ABSOLUTELY NO GUARANTEE that this Commission will do anything but raise more debt similar to what tall 12 + previous Commissions have done.

Bongo the Wonder Chimp could see that this is the most asinine piece of cowardly garbage that could ever have been proposed.
Any Congressman or talking head that is supporting this should be ashamed of themselves.

There is one option to push now and one option only. Force the Senate to bring CCB back on the floor, AS IS, and shut down government until they pass it, AS IS.

If interest payments, SSN checks, and DOD checks don’t go out, two people, AND TWO ONLY, will be responsible: Obama and Boehner

Obama will be responsible because he wants the checks to NOT go out and Boehner because he didnt allow a Bill to stop this while the debt/budget fight is in play.

One option. Force the Senate to bring CCB back on the floor and shut down government until they pass it.

Let the left tantrum, and let Obama do his evil that he certainly will.

Force the Senate to bring CCB back on the floor and shut down government until they pass it.

red_oakster

If we win the Senate and the White House, ask yourself whether the Ryan Plan or perhaps something even more ambitious (say restoration of impoundment) could pass under budget reconciliation.

We’re on the verge of something big. We just have to wait a year.

ghostship

Your completely wrong. If the House passes this sham of a bill then it will be a huge loss for the GOP.

The Democrats NEED the debt ceiling raised or Uncle Sam credit card expires. The Republicans DON’T NEED TO RAISE IT AT ALL.

If we don’t raise it then the government will finally be forced to cut spending. The House could pass a bill with actual spending cuts instead of smoke and mirrors and tell the White House or Senate to either take their lumps or face the epic smack-down of a government finally out of money. All it takes is a WILL TO ACTUALLY WIN.

The Tea Party gave the GOP a second chance. Don’t be so cocksure that it will get a third if it fails again.

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ghostship

Bongo the Wonder Chimp would be a better leader than these idiots who make up the Republican leadership.

Truthfully, this plan of Boehner’s deserves a good heap of monkey poo thrown at it. God knows that watching the GOP once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory is driving me bananas.

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How am I wrong in stating what is obvious:
1. Obama wants a default. Obama and Schumer and others would use the default to pin everything on the Republicans. Media will comply.
2. You are playing right into their hands with this nonsense that debt ceiling doesnt need to be raised. If you want to keep the military, medicare and govt operation, um, yeah it does. Threatening this default is not a solution, just a tactic to get what is REALLY needed, which is fixes to our debt, spending, and deficit problems.
3. Default does NOT cut spending, only Congressional passage of different spending bills does that. So, plesae, show me the plan that cuts the deficit to zero TOMORROW and the 218 votes for it in the House, and THEN you can talk as if there is some realism to shutdown/default working … but wait, you cant, because even Ryan roadmap has trillions in deficit spending.
4. Boehner plan does have the advantage of calling Obama’s bluff. Calling Obama’s bluff will be a big win for the Republicans. If you dont realize this you are not paying attention. It overturns EVERY Obama talking point.
5. The Boehner plan is far from a ‘sham’, its a compromise. We cannot get ‘perfect’ and ‘will pass the Democrat Senate’ in the same plan. Caps on discretionary spending in exchange for a short 6 month extension. This is much of what we were asking for.
6. To win House conservatives, if need be, the one problem with it is the FY 2012 cap being above the budget set in the House. So lower that cap, from $1043b to $1020b as is being written up in the House, and call it a day.
7. If House conservatives say no to this, then it breathes life NOT into Cut Cap and Balance, but the Reid smoke-and-mirrors plan. Be careful what you ask for. Do you want a divided GOP and united Democrat party? Will to win and smarts to win are 2 different things.

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The typical whine: “I?m so sick and tired of the old excuse that we Conservatives can?t have this or that because of the WH or Senate.”

You’ve been told that we cannot do more because Reid controls the Senate and obama the white house. Are they wrong? You say so. Well, you know what: It’s not constructive criticism if you don’t actually have a better PLAN TO WIN on the table. If this is wrong – prove, show it.

That’s been the Obama way in these negotiations and that doesn’t work. Criticize and then have NO constructive solution. It’s non-leadership.

BTW, here is my spending proposal:
- Cut $300 billion in FY2012 spending and keep it cut for 10 years
- Add in Coburn’s spending cuts for 10 years
- Save $11 trillion over 10 years

I dont have a way to get it passed in Congress, in particular the Democrat Senate, so I am not going to whine about those lesser plans that can, or those leaders trying to navigate that thicket … UNLESS they make obvious blunders (as I believe mcconnell plan was). Obvious GOOD strategies (Cut Cap and Balance) should be praised. But you know what: That plan isnt perfect either.

Now, YOU TELL US. What strategy do you have for getting Senator Reid and Obama to support and pass any of our fiscal conservative proposals? An SHOW us it would actually WORK and WIN.

amigag

2:41PM EDT, Rush is covering this baseline info. Yes, a $7 trillion increase.

I think John Boehner needs to do less talking and more listening to Ryan and those that have a better understanding of what he is attempting to fall for. Eric Cantor could do the same.

It’s a shame that JB & EC would promote something they clearly don’t understand.

Matt In The Hook

Once again, way too logical.

amigag

Thank you for making sense. Are you a Boxer:-) Fighters are what we need!!

Rush just confirmed what Erick and those that can hear and see have been saying. This comment also:

Double speak
Viator Tuesday, July 26th at 12:30PM EDT (link)

ghostship

1. No he doesn’t.

2. It doesn’t need to be raised. It is not impossible for the government to learn to live within it’s means.

3. How does Uncle Sam spend money when he reaches in his wallet and finds nothing there? One can’t spend what one doesn’t have.

4. Boehner isn’t calling the Pesident’s bluff instead he is folding a winning hand with this plan of his.

5. Nobody demanded perfect but this plan doesn’t even come close to the bear minimum of acceptable.

6. You could win Conservatives by actually cutting spending instead of vague promises to do so later down the road that are not enforceable.

7. Will to win and smarts to win are two different things and this plan has neither.

JSobieski

Coburn’s $9T in cuts are really just going back to 2008 spending levels. JB & EC understand what they are promoting. As do Ryan and Coburn.

Baseline budgeting is something that can be undone via statute. Something else to add to “to do” list.

tel1918

Business Week are blaming republicans for Obama’s deficit

ghostship

Obama and the Democrats know they don’t need to compromise because the Republicans don’t have the guts to play political chicken with the debt ceiling. They know we’ll cave eventually.

You want a plan here’s the only plan one needs. Say No. Raise the debt ceiling. Just say no. Either take the cut, cap, and balance plan as pathetic as it is or deal with an expired credit card Aug 2.

Civilization is not going to end because the government was forced to lived within it’s means so it’s time to man up and for the Republican Party to stand it’s ground.

Stop being such a scaredy-cat . The government can survive a so called “default” much better than it can survive trillions of extra debt.

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