She knows that unlike CCB, the House passing this conflicts with Obama’s one hard stance – that no deal is acceptable if he has to ask for another increase before getting tossed out of office in 2013. It’s important to the Dems to face save on this as the Republican leadership has already forced Obama to major compromise four times.

…force CCB to be voted on by the Senate?

Every bill should have gotten stronger along the way, not weaker. I’m not sure if they can force a vote on CCB, but they could re-write it and re-submit it and tell them it’s that or nothing. Because to us Conservatives, it IS that or nothing. Boehner has to get a clue. We don’t care what HE wants any more than we care what Obama wants. This is what WE want – the voters, the taxpayers – the people whose money they are stealing and the ones who gave them all jobs.

Boehner sent CCB over to the Senate. Reid killed it.
Boehner will send Boenher II over to the Senate. Reid is trying to kill it.

Thus, Boehner can say “We sent those clowns TWO different bills and they wouldn’t even vote on EITHER of them.”

Anyone who sees that and still blames Republicans should not be allowed to vote.

Is this what you and this site have been reduced to?

This is sad.

There was a time when this site was a bit more respectful about Reagan’s 11th Commandment.

No more.

Now, when genuine conservatives like John Bolton and Paul Ryan disagree with you about tactics, they are now told they should be placed in a “mental ward”.

Erik, you are doing much more harm now than good.

Dingy Harry says its DOA? Fine. The republican party should quit writing bills that everyone hates and that will never pass and let the Senate dems write a bill and get it passed. The imaginary “default” be damned.

Dear Obama:
Please don’t compromise. Let 40 percent of the gov’t stay home in August. Come September 1, I bet most Americans will realize just how little they’ve missed. Then they will be on our side.

Cut Cap and Balance or we are hanging all of Congress. Trust the American people. BLEEP Compromise!

are politicians, not people. They are part of the ‘ruling elite’ who think they know better. Screw the whole game. The so-called ratings companies were complicit in the financial crash; they can be shut down, humiliated and even destroyed if necessary.
This is not a political exercise any longer. This is an exercise in Freedom.

Get out of our way, pols. You’re done. Go play your polite and civilized games and call each other gentlemen. We are building guillotines and gallows. Our way. Cut, Cap and Balance.

I thanked you yesterday, but I want to thank you again. You have become one of the my hero’s in the debt ceiling debate.

Keep calling for the line to be held! ?

Obama is going to claim he has the power under the 14th amendment so he can go around Congress once again.

Obama will say that if he did not act we woud default and be down graded.

He will say he was FORCED to ACT for the good of the country. He is manufacturing a crisis.

… with a lot of strong, smart, principled conservatives.

The fact is everyone would prefer CC&B. No one denies that, but it’s NOT going to happen. If Republicans just sit on their hands and say they’ve done their job, the Democrats will allow default and the media will put all of the blame on Republicans.

If we follow the mentality that produced some goof ball candidates in 2010 on this issue, we will lose the House and the presidency in 2012. It’s that simple. Anyone who says differently is just fooling themselves.

Like everyone else, I want immediate change, but Republicans don’t have the power to do so. They control one chamber of the Congress. They don’t even have as much power as they did in 1995. Republicans will lose if the hardest of hard lines prevail.

What this imperfect bill does is establish the idea that cuts, not taxes, are the way to affect the deficit. This bill will also mortally wound Obama’s re-election chances. He has been beaten, but Republicans can fumble on the goal line if their not careful.

With the passage of this bill, Republicans will be seen as the poltical winners and Obama the loser. It will destroy his base and make it very likely Republicans sweep the 2012 elections.

If you want real change, accept this bill because it will produce a Perry presidency, a large House majority, and 55 or more seats in the Senate. That’s when we can get the change we’ve always wanted.

Come up with an inverse debit card for businesses to give to their Senior Citizen customers. It starts a zero and goes up. When the social security checks are finally paid, the business submits an electronic charge for the amount on the card.
See? Who needs the effin Govt?

This is what the Republican Party will get if they pass the Speaker’s bill.

The base cannot stomach the same old dog and pony show of fake cuts and kicking the can down the road.

It truly is madness that they can’t see this.

According to Hotair.com, who is in turn quoting Politico, that House Republicans are getting their, um, backsides in line.

You know what this means, right?

We’re gonna have to give them the same town-hall treatment we gave the dims in ’09.

Conservative media will have to gear up and prepare itself to savage these people when they step out of line… our line.

We’ll have to make Boehner get his donkey in line.

is what Michael Hammond wrote about this special commission last night. They can apparently pass ANYTHING they want with it.

Just something else to consider when deciding if your representative’s support for this monstrous bill is akin to blasphemy
(i.e., unforgiveable) or not.

$1.5 trillion in spending cuts spread evenly across the board of discretionary spending, exempting defense. No debt commission required. The cuts are reflected in the 2012 budget. $1 trillion debt ceiling increase. No default allowed on debt interest payments, SS, Military Pay. Obama can request an additional debt ceiling increase one year from now in August 2012, but the same conditions apply.

The Republicans get their meaningful spending cuts, Obama gets his debt ceiling increase, the credit agencies know we are serious about reigning in the out of control spending. Will it pass- absolutely not, but it’s simple enough for everyone to understand, and to get behind. No hidden agendas, no special interest groups favored, complete and open transparency.

Our focus must be on the 2012 elections. Most knew and acknowledged that 2010 was only the first wave, and understood it would take 2 or 3 election cycles to take Washington away from the Socialists/Marxists. The Senate is critical, the House needs to be expanded with conservatives, and Obama must be thrown out on his big ears. When the conservatives have control, not necessarily the Republicans, we cut, slash, burn, and repeal repeal and repeal some more.

One of the things that keeps going through my mind at this time is, when we are a few months away from the 2012 elections, are we going to be rooting for all the Republicans that we are currently burning at the stake? I thought the sentiment at one time was that any Republican is better than any Democrat. Has that changed?

The repubs do this everytime they’re up against it on the really big issues, especially the fiscal ones that they allow the “liberals” to demogogue them on ad-nauseum. They spey and neuter themselves, instead of doing that to their opposition (verbally, rhetorically and logically, of course). Instead of allowing these situations to be a shining example of how our Constitution republic is supposed to work, they allow the democrats and their state-run media lackeys to portray us as demotivational speakers.

Almost forgot, heard rustlings thru the trees about h.b. 4646 getting another look, is that true?

is the way to go. He said the point of the select committee is to FORCE the senate to cut. “The dysfunctional senate” is the problem per Ryan
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I don’t understand what they are going to do when the Boehner Bill fails in the senate. Ryan bashed the Reid plan of gimmicks.
So, Reid plan won’t pass the House. They must have some kind of secret plan for the Conference to resolve the differences between the plans.
Maybe they have ‘stacked’ the Conference committee?

is the way to go. He said the point of the select committee is to FORCE the senate to cut. “The dysfunctional senate” is the problem per Ryan
.
I don’t understand what they are going to do when the Boehner Bill fails in the senate. Ryan bashed the Reid plan of gimmicks.
So, Reid plan won’t pass the House. They must have some kind of secret plan for the Conference to resolve the differences between the plans.
Maybe they have ‘stacked’ the Conference committee?

Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘Press On’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
—Calvin Coolidge

Albeit our dollar’s reserve status. BO now has two legacies which future generations will read about in disdain and from learn-obamacare and President downgrade.

we can never win against the Democrats.

People need to remember who the enemy is. If you don’t want to be a part of the Republican Party, that is certainly your choice. Go ahead and form or join a third party. Only one of two things WILL happen:

Either you pull enough support away from the GOP to throw the election to Obama, or you disappear like every single third party in American history since the Republicans supplanted the Whigs.

Which of those outcomes helps the country, or solves the problems?

Boehner’s plan was seriously flawed. He needs more cuts in the early years, caps to enforce the cuts going forward, and to lose the committee idea. It’s never worked before, and won’t work now.

But that doesn’t make Boehner a RINO. And it is frankly stupid the way the term is thrown around. It does not reflect well upon the people doing it, and they are not serving America’s interests with their internecine battles.

It is good to disagree and argue your positions. When the first argument is always, “I didn’t get my way – that makes you a RINO who must be driven from the Party!” it shows you’re just not intelligent enough to sell your beliefs to fellow conservatives, how will do it to the public?

Here’s a clue: it doesn’t matter how right you think you are, nobody’s mind is EVER changed by the guy screaming and poking his finger in your chest while flecks of spittle fly about.

As pathetic as this Boehner bill is, what makes it even worse is we have such a HUGE WINNER in CCB, a bill that’s been poll-tested and has the support of 2/3 of the American People! Why on planet earth would anybody want to abandon it, even if Boehner’s bill were BETTER, instead of considerably worse like it actually is? There’s just no logical reason to abandon our most popular, and best, bill for this pathetic excuse for a compromise. A compromise that, at the end of the day, likely will be rejected by the Senate and result in yet another compromise or two before the Dems finally decide they’ve gotten enough from us. If they want to reject a bill and shut the Government down, make it the one the American People strongly favor, CCB all the way!

it’s called “inside the beltway of Washington D.C.”…

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1083285905001/best-bets-for-ending-debt-talks-deadlock/

All they had to do was stand firm on CCB. Like Trump says, when you negotiate you have to walk away from the table to win. Boehner should have walked away after CCB. And went out and explained the situation to the American people who are behind CCB by 66%.

He gave up all the leverage by signaling to the Dems he would never walk away from the table. When your opponent knows you will not walk away from the table, you lose. You cannot negotiate out of fear.

Now the only way to recover is if the Dems actually do reject Boehner’s debt deal as all of them have promised in their letter. They will then send Reid’s bill to the House. And if the House Republicans get one more shot at it, they need to stand on the Ryan Budget, and CCB again – and walk away from the table. Then tell the American people that the Dems refuse to pass a the Ryan budget, CCB, or a BBA – and stay away from the table until the Dems accept CCB.

It got the votes it did because leadership and Washington insiders knew it wasn’t going anywhere while it provided a platform for the pseudo supporters to go on record for the next election. That is the reason leadership does not stand up and demand a vote in the Senate.

This whole issue of the debt ceiling is ignoring the Democrats liberral/progressive – Cloward/Piven stategy t5o weaken the free enterprise economy of USA so as to hasten Government’s total control of the economy and advance a socialist system.
They fully reco0gnize the 2010 election of the Republicans to the majority in the House which led to the Ryan budget passing and the Cut,Cap and Balance bill passing signal this is a poitentially fatal b low to their TAX & DEFICIT SPEND approaches to government.

They will not agree to anyrthing that stops that approach without a fight to the death.
Republicans who seek to reverse the deficit situation must fight with at least as much determination.
If they cave in and allow the Democrats to continue through the end of Obama’s term they will see themselves facing primary challenges to find those who will fight- along with a new president and a new majority in the Senate – hopefully, also elecrted , to reverse this destructive course we have been following under the Obama administration and unfortunately even under the prior Republican administation of increasing DEFICITS AND DEBT.
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